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By *ara J OP   TV/TS  over a year ago

Bristol East

Their take on Brexit, published today:

(I'd post the link, but I don't wanted to be banned)

"The country is now on the verge of disaster. On March 29, unless something is done, Britain will fall out the European Union without a deal.

"That will affect every aspect of the economy. It’s likely to block cargo at the border; pulverize agricultural exports; trigger shortages of food, medicine and radioactive isotopes; spark employment chaos by suddenly canceling the mutual recognition of qualifications between British and European institutions; halt the legal basis for data transfer overnight; and lead to massive and sudden flows of immigration in both directions. The list goes on and on. There is no part of society that is unaffected. And yet not only does the British political class not seem to understand the consequences of what it is doing, it is lost in populist fantasies instead of addressing the cold reality.

"Britain is one of the richest and most advanced democracies in the world. It is currently locked in a room, babbling away to itself hysterically while threatening to blow its own kneecaps off. This is what nationalist populism does to a country. "

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By *mmabluTV/TS  over a year ago

upton wirral

I think it is a criticism of Trump but doing it in a subtle way,as allways a bit overstated as is the American way

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By *oi_LucyCouple  over a year ago

Barbados


"I think it is a criticism of Trump but doing it in a subtle way,as allways a bit overstated as is the American way"

A criticism of Trump? Wtf? I really do wonder what planet you are on sometimes.

Yes, I’m sure WaPo are often (rightly so) critical of Trump, but what is quoted above clearly has nothing to do with Trump.

-Matt

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I think it is a criticism of Trump but doing it in a subtle way,as allways a bit overstated as is the American way"

Is Trump our PM, I honestly didn't know that golden nugget of information...

The lunacy on here gets worse by the day

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By *avidnsa69Man  over a year ago

Essex


"I think it is a criticism of Trump but doing it in a subtle way,as allways a bit overstated as is the American way"

Really? Are you absolutely sure?

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By *ara J OP   TV/TS  over a year ago

Bristol East


"I think it is a criticism of Trump but doing it in a subtle way,as allways a bit overstated as is the American way"

Trump is not mentioned once. Neither is the USA.

It's all about Britain and how absurd its leaders look when viewed from the outside.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple  over a year ago

in Lancashire


"I think it is a criticism of Trump but doing it in a subtle way,as allways a bit overstated as is the American way"

Read..

It..

Again..

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By *ostafunMan  over a year ago

near ipswich

you do like a drama sara.

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By *ara J OP   TV/TS  over a year ago

Bristol East

They don't call me a drama queen for nothing, you know

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By *heIcebreakersCouple  over a year ago

Cramlington


"I think it is a criticism of Trump but doing it in a subtle way,as allways a bit overstated as is the American way

A criticism of Trump? Wtf? I really do wonder what planet you are on sometimes.

Yes, I’m sure WaPo are often (rightly so) critical of Trump, but what is quoted above clearly has nothing to do with Trump.

-Matt"

If you don't recognise a reference to nationalist populism as emcompassing Trump then you probably shouldn't comment on a thread about the views of an American newspaper.

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By *heIcebreakersCouple  over a year ago

Cramlington


"I think it is a criticism of Trump but doing it in a subtle way,as allways a bit overstated as is the American way

Trump is not mentioned once. Neither is the USA.

It's all about Britain and how absurd its leaders look when viewed from the outside."

If you don't recognise a reference to nationalist populism as emcompassing Trump then you probably shouldn't comment on a thread about the views of an American newspaper.

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By *mmabluTV/TS  over a year ago

upton wirral


"I think it is a criticism of Trump but doing it in a subtle way,as allways a bit overstated as is the American way

A criticism of Trump? Wtf? I really do wonder what planet you are on sometimes.

Yes, I’m sure WaPo are often (rightly so) critical of Trump, but what is quoted above clearly has nothing to do with Trump.

-Matt"

Yes it does but you do not want to see it.I live in the real world not sure you do

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By *ara J OP   TV/TS  over a year ago

Bristol East

Okay

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By *ophieslutTV/TS  over a year ago

Central

It's a pretty accurate description of what's going on - good for them to state it like it is!

The inwards looking UK (ie, Conservative party/government) deluding itself somewhat and trying to deceive others, that this is about freedom, when it's only about conservative power and continuation as a party. The everyday person in the street somewhat confused why we 'didn't just leave' :- o When decades of legal and commercial integration needs to be recreated from scratch. But not whilst May is pretending that if she just pops for a chat to Brussels, all will become well.

At this late stage, she should do the prudent thing and tell the country that Brexit should be stopped/delayed.

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By *oi_LucyCouple  over a year ago

Barbados


"I think it is a criticism of Trump but doing it in a subtle way,as allways a bit overstated as is the American way

A criticism of Trump? Wtf? I really do wonder what planet you are on sometimes.

Yes, I’m sure WaPo are often (rightly so) critical of Trump, but what is quoted above clearly has nothing to do with Trump.

-MattYes it does but you do not want to see it.I live in the real world not sure you do"

But it doesn’t does it. It has nothing to do with Trumo whatsoever. It has to do with the view of Brexit from outside.

-Matt

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Two words jump out and ring true with global politics recently. Nationalism And Popularism.

It's not a reference to trump it's a reference to the preferred modus operandi of some political parties.

It's s tool to get the masses stirring. The PM has said she is "battling for Britain " A direct war reference .Shes hoping to tap into patriotic popularism right there.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Why should anyone here give a flying fuck what the Washington Post has to say?

Left wing populist bull plop..

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By *asyukMan  over a year ago

West London


"Why should anyone here give a flying fuck what the Washington Post has to say?

Left wing populist bull plop.."

What sources of information do you trust?

I'm interested.

Centaur only quotes the Express. Sometimes the Telegraph (when quoted by the Express). Brietbart and Infowars too are credible sources in his bubble.

Are yours tue same or different?

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By *ara J OP   TV/TS  over a year ago

Bristol East

Is that an echo I hear in my bubble chamber?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Why should anyone here give a flying fuck what the Washington Post has to say?

Left wing populist bull plop.."

I think the point is more that, from the outside, people can see what a fucking disaster Brexit is. From the inside some of us can’t, and some of us say “project fear” a lot.

But high five for the use of “bull plop” in a sentence. Made me chuckle.

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By *abioMan  over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"

Centaur only quotes the Express. Sometimes the Telegraph (when quoted by the Express). Brietbart and Infowars too are credible sources in his bubble.

Are yours tue same or different?"

I am surprised that centy hasn't brought up the virginia governor situation yet... and used it to have a go at leftys and defend trump....

so just to cut that one of at the pass.... i will...

there is no "both sides" in sexism... there is no "both sides" in racism...

he's got to go!!... period!

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By *entaur_UKMan  over a year ago

Cannock


"Why should anyone here give a flying fuck what the Washington Post has to say?

Left wing populist bull plop..

What sources of information do you trust?

I'm interested.

Centaur only quotes the Express. Sometimes the Telegraph (when quoted by the Express). Brietbart and Infowars too are credible sources in his bubble.

Are yours tue same or different?"

Stop telling lies.

Funny then that I've often posted links to the Guardian on here. I've also posted links to the BBC/Sky news/RT news/Daily Mail and others. I posted a link to the Guardian on a thread just the other week about Blair having meetings with Michel Barnier. On my thread about the protests against Macron in France I posted a link to the BBC. I can post links to the forum threads in question as proof if you like.

It has to be said that you really do appear to live in cloud cuckoo land.

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By *entaur_UKMan  over a year ago

Cannock


"

Centaur only quotes the Express. Sometimes the Telegraph (when quoted by the Express). Brietbart and Infowars too are credible sources in his bubble.

Are yours tue same or different?

I am surprised that centy hasn't brought up the virginia governor situation yet... and used it to have a go at leftys and defend trump....

so just to cut that one of at the pass.... i will...

there is no "both sides" in sexism... there is no "both sides" in racism...

he's got to go!!... period!

"

Because unlike you and other remoaners and Trump haters I don't feel the need to run to a keyboard and post a thread about every snippet of news that may appear to fit in with my own political viewpoint.

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By *asyukMan  over a year ago

West London


"Why should anyone here give a flying fuck what the Washington Post has to say?

Left wing populist bull plop..

What sources of information do you trust?

I'm interested.

Centaur only quotes the Express. Sometimes the Telegraph (when quoted by the Express). Brietbart and Infowars too are credible sources in his bubble.

Are yours tue same or different?

Stop telling lies.

Funny then that I've often posted links to the Guardian on here. I've also posted links to the BBC/Sky news/RT news/Daily Mail and others. I posted a link to the Guardian on a thread just the other week about Blair having meetings with Michel Barnier. On my thread about the protests against Macron in France I posted a link to the BBC. I can post links to the forum threads in question as proof if you like.

It has to be said that you really do appear to live in cloud cuckoo land. "

You are correct. You do quote bits of other sources when it suits you but ignore anything that doesn't. Even within the same article or opinion poll.

I'm sure you can go and find these links because you are fed every anti-EU article that you can find. Is it direct from direct the leave campaign or the groups that you are a member of circulating this stuff?

I should have added the Mail and RT to your list of "news" sources that you will quote in their entirety without question though

It is also interesting that it's impossible to find any article critical of Brexit in any way from your chosen publications yet all the others entertain doubts about the EU and the possibility of remaining in the EU and the mood of populism...

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By *oi_LucyCouple  over a year ago

Barbados


"

Centaur only quotes the Express. Sometimes the Telegraph (when quoted by the Express). Brietbart and Infowars too are credible sources in his bubble.

Are yours tue same or different?

I am surprised that centy hasn't brought up the virginia governor situation yet... and used it to have a go at leftys and defend trump....

so just to cut that one of at the pass.... i will...

there is no "both sides" in sexism... there is no "both sides" in racism...

he's got to go!!... period!

Because unlike you and other remoaners and Trump haters I don't feel the need to run to a keyboard and post a thread about every snippet of news that may appear to fit in with my own political viewpoint. "

But you do.

And it is normally quickly followed by you having your arse handed back to you.

-Matt

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By *asyukMan  over a year ago

West London


"

Centaur only quotes the Express. Sometimes the Telegraph (when quoted by the Express). Brietbart and Infowars too are credible sources in his bubble.

Are yours tue same or different?

I am surprised that centy hasn't brought up the virginia governor situation yet... and used it to have a go at leftys and defend trump....

so just to cut that one of at the pass.... i will...

there is no "both sides" in sexism... there is no "both sides" in racism...

he's got to go!!... period!

Because unlike you and other remoaners and Trump haters I don't feel the need to run to a keyboard and post a thread about every snippet of news that may appear to fit in with my own political viewpoint. "

Yes. You do. You aren't well supported by the other Brexiteers on here.

It's quite a thing that you have the most pro-Leave information on here even though most of it is completely wrong

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

The Washington post is part and parcel of the globalist establishment.

The new world order will be implemented and you will atone for the sin of wanting to run your own country!.

This isn't about trade or finance this is about unelected elites meeting in back rooms to decide what happens, this is about secret societies, billionaires, CEOs and privileged individuals meeting in multi million dollar meetings in fancy hotels to decide what your country does not you the people, free speech, mens rea, democracy, bill of rights, curtailing the power of the state, curtailing theocracy,we fought a God damn bloody civil war for 50 years for these rights and it includes the right to make the wrong decisions and the "worst choices" .

But I'm afraid all these things must go, your bad people, racists xenophobes and bigots making bad financial decisions for globalists corporations, you will not FUCK this up for Google, Microsoft, Volkswagen and Amazon and you will ATONE.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The Washington post is part and parcel of the globalist establishment.

The new world order will be implemented and you will atone for the sin of wanting to run your own country!.

This isn't about trade or finance this is about unelected elites meeting in back rooms to decide what happens, this is about secret societies, billionaires, CEOs and privileged individuals meeting in multi million dollar meetings in fancy hotels to decide what your country does not you the people, free speech, mens rea, democracy, bill of rights, curtailing the power of the state, curtailing theocracy,we fought a God damn bloody civil war for 50 years for these rights and it includes the right to make the wrong decisions and the "worst choices" .

But I'm afraid all these things must go, your bad people, racists xenophobes and bigots making bad financial decisions for globalists corporations, you will not FUCK this up for Google, Microsoft, Volkswagen and Amazon and you will ATONE."

Ha, interesting, quite melodrmatic but interesting

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By *entaur_UKMan  over a year ago

Cannock


"

Centaur only quotes the Express. Sometimes the Telegraph (when quoted by the Express). Brietbart and Infowars too are credible sources in his bubble.

Are yours tue same or different?

I am surprised that centy hasn't brought up the virginia governor situation yet... and used it to have a go at leftys and defend trump....

so just to cut that one of at the pass.... i will...

there is no "both sides" in sexism... there is no "both sides" in racism...

he's got to go!!... period!

Because unlike you and other remoaners and Trump haters I don't feel the need to run to a keyboard and post a thread about every snippet of news that may appear to fit in with my own political viewpoint.

But you do.

And it is normally quickly followed by you having your arse handed back to you.

-Matt"

But I don't.

I didn't feel the need to post a thread about the subject Fabio raised being the governor of Virginia. I've also not posted a thread about McLaren cars having their best ever year for sales in 2018, and their announcement that they are creating 800 new jobs in research and development, and news sales teams at the new dealerships and showrooms they're building. The reason I've not posted threads about these things is because I'm not completely and utterly desperate in the same way you Remoaners and Trump haters are, because Trump is already in the White House and Brexit is happening in 2 months and there's not a damn thing you or anyone else can do about it.

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By *entaur_UKMan  over a year ago

Cannock


"Why should anyone here give a flying fuck what the Washington Post has to say?

Left wing populist bull plop..

What sources of information do you trust?

I'm interested.

Centaur only quotes the Express. Sometimes the Telegraph (when quoted by the Express). Brietbart and Infowars too are credible sources in his bubble.

Are yours tue same or different?

Stop telling lies.

Funny then that I've often posted links to the Guardian on here. I've also posted links to the BBC/Sky news/RT news/Daily Mail and others. I posted a link to the Guardian on a thread just the other week about Blair having meetings with Michel Barnier. On my thread about the protests against Macron in France I posted a link to the BBC. I can post links to the forum threads in question as proof if you like.

It has to be said that you really do appear to live in cloud cuckoo land.

You are correct. You do quote bits of other sources when it suits you but ignore anything that doesn't. Even within the same article or opinion poll.

I'm sure you can go and find these links because you are fed every anti-EU article that you can find. Is it direct from direct the leave campaign or the groups that you are a member of circulating this stuff?

I should have added the Mail and RT to your list of "news" sources that you will quote in their entirety without question though

It is also interesting that it's impossible to find any article critical of Brexit in any way from your chosen publications yet all the others entertain doubts about the EU and the possibility of remaining in the EU and the mood of populism..."

How can you post 'a bit' of a link to something? If I only posted a bit of the link then the link wouldn't work. You don't gave to be a rocket scientist or a brain surgeon to work that out.

As I stated in my earlier comment I posted a link to the BBC on my Macron protest thread, it was a full link which would take you to the full BBC article. Same applies to the other link I mentioned about Blair having meetings with Barnier, it was a full link which took you to the full Guardian article.

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By *heIcebreakersCouple  over a year ago

Cramlington


"The Washington post is part and parcel of the globalist establishment.

The new world order will be implemented and you will atone for the sin of wanting to run your own country!.

This isn't about trade or finance this is about unelected elites meeting in back rooms to decide what happens, this is about secret societies, billionaires, CEOs and privileged individuals meeting in multi million dollar meetings in fancy hotels to decide what your country does not you the people, free speech, mens rea, democracy, bill of rights, curtailing the power of the state, curtailing theocracy,we fought a God damn bloody civil war for 50 years for these rights and it includes the right to make the wrong decisions and the "worst choices" .

But I'm afraid all these things must go, your bad people, racists xenophobes and bigots making bad financial decisions for globalists corporations, you will not FUCK this up for Google, Microsoft, Volkswagen and Amazon and you will ATONE."

When did we fight this fifty year civil war over, amongst other things, mens rea? I'm intrigued....

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By *asyukMan  over a year ago

West London


"Why should anyone here give a flying fuck what the Washington Post has to say?

Left wing populist bull plop..

What sources of information do you trust?

I'm interested.

Centaur only quotes the Express. Sometimes the Telegraph (when quoted by the Express). Brietbart and Infowars too are credible sources in his bubble.

Are yours tue same or different?

Stop telling lies.

Funny then that I've often posted links to the Guardian on here. I've also posted links to the BBC/Sky news/RT news/Daily Mail and others. I posted a link to the Guardian on a thread just the other week about Blair having meetings with Michel Barnier. On my thread about the protests against Macron in France I posted a link to the BBC. I can post links to the forum threads in question as proof if you like.

It has to be said that you really do appear to live in cloud cuckoo land.

You are correct. You do quote bits of other sources when it suits you but ignore anything that doesn't. Even within the same article or opinion poll.

I'm sure you can go and find these links because you are fed every anti-EU article that you can find. Is it direct from direct the leave campaign or the groups that you are a member of circulating this stuff?

I should have added the Mail and RT to your list of "news" sources that you will quote in their entirety without question though

It is also interesting that it's impossible to find any article critical of Brexit in any way from your chosen publications yet all the others entertain doubts about the EU and the possibility of remaining in the EU and the mood of populism...

How can you post 'a bit' of a link to something? If I only posted a bit of the link then the link wouldn't work. You don't gave to be a rocket scientist or a brain surgeon to work that out.

As I stated in my earlier comment I posted a link to the BBC on my Macron protest thread, it was a full link which would take you to the full BBC article. Same applies to the other link I mentioned about Blair having meetings with Barnier, it was a full link which took you to the full Guardian article. "

Odd reply. You seem to have misunderstood my point. Possibly deliberately.

I didn't say that you posted partial links. I said that you quote bits of other sources. Just the information in an article or poll that suits you whilst ignoring other information or even the entire purpose of the article in question.

I'm sure you will now argue about my use of the word "odd" or "partial" or "bits"

You didn't really say how this information is provided to you.

You didn't say if you considered if the Express, Telegraph, Mail or RT provided you with an unbiased option.

You don't have to answer. I don't really expect one from you but your view on this would be interesting.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The Washington post is part and parcel of the globalist establishment.

The new world order will be implemented and you will atone for the sin of wanting to run your own country!.

This isn't about trade or finance this is about unelected elites meeting in back rooms to decide what happens, this is about secret societies, billionaires, CEOs and privileged individuals meeting in multi million dollar meetings in fancy hotels to decide what your country does not you the people, free speech, mens rea, democracy, bill of rights, curtailing the power of the state, curtailing theocracy,we fought a God damn bloody civil war for 50 years for these rights and it includes the right to make the wrong decisions and the "worst choices" .

But I'm afraid all these things must go, your bad people, racists xenophobes and bigots making bad financial decisions for globalists corporations, you will not FUCK this up for Google, Microsoft, Volkswagen and Amazon and you will ATONE.When did we fight this fifty year civil war over, amongst other things, mens rea? I'm intrigued...."

.

You don't know about the history of the English civil war or how it came about?.

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By *ethnmelvCouple  over a year ago

Cardiff


"Why should anyone here give a flying fuck what the Washington Post has to say?

Left wing populist bull plop..

I think the point is more that, from the outside, people can see what a fucking disaster Brexit is. From the inside some of us can’t, and some of us say “project fear” a lot.

But high five for the use of “bull plop” in a sentence. Made me chuckle. "

Totally agree with you - nobody looking at the mess we are in, is wishing it could happen to them as well...

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By *abioMan  over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"

I didn't say that you posted partial links. I said that you quote bits of other sources. Just the information in an article or poll that suits you whilst ignoring other information or even the entire purpose of the article in question.

I'm sure you will now argue about my use of the word "odd" or "partial" or "bits"

You didn't really say how this information is provided to you.

You didn't say if you considered if the Express, Telegraph, Mail or RT provided you with an unbiased option.

You don't have to answer. I don't really expect one from you but your view on this would be interesting."

have to say centy.... easy has you "banged to rights on this one"....

remember when you started a thread laurding the fact that trump had reached a "50% favourability"...... except it was just one outlying poll.... in the 22 that are brought out, but you convieniently left that bit out.....

that would be a classic example of what easy means.........

p.s average is still high 30's.... hasn't hit 50% in any poll produced by any company since......

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By *heIcebreakersCouple  over a year ago

Cramlington


"The Washington post is part and parcel of the globalist establishment.

The new world order will be implemented and you will atone for the sin of wanting to run your own country!.

This isn't about trade or finance this is about unelected elites meeting in back rooms to decide what happens, this is about secret societies, billionaires, CEOs and privileged individuals meeting in multi million dollar meetings in fancy hotels to decide what your country does not you the people, free speech, mens rea, democracy, bill of rights, curtailing the power of the state, curtailing theocracy,we fought a God damn bloody civil war for 50 years for these rights and it includes the right to make the wrong decisions and the "worst choices" .

But I'm afraid all these things must go, your bad people, racists xenophobes and bigots making bad financial decisions for globalists corporations, you will not FUCK this up for Google, Microsoft, Volkswagen and Amazon and you will ATONE.When did we fight this fifty year civil war over, amongst other things, mens rea? I'm intrigued.....

You don't know about the history of the English civil war or how it came about?. "

I know about the history of the English Civil War (although your claim it lasted fifty years is a little curious, to say the least) but you'll have to enlighten me as to why you claim mens rea was a cause for dispute, given that it had been a settled tenet of English law since the thirteenth century. There's no mntion of mens rea in the bill of rights either. Perhaps you should explain to us what mens rea is, and why that might be a cause for dispute in the seventeenth century....

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The Washington post is part and parcel of the globalist establishment.

The new world order will be implemented and you will atone for the sin of wanting to run your own country!.

This isn't about trade or finance this is about unelected elites meeting in back rooms to decide what happens, this is about secret societies, billionaires, CEOs and privileged individuals meeting in multi million dollar meetings in fancy hotels to decide what your country does not you the people, free speech, mens rea, democracy, bill of rights, curtailing the power of the state, curtailing theocracy,we fought a God damn bloody civil war for 50 years for these rights and it includes the right to make the wrong decisions and the "worst choices" .

But I'm afraid all these things must go, your bad people, racists xenophobes and bigots making bad financial decisions for globalists corporations, you will not FUCK this up for Google, Microsoft, Volkswagen and Amazon and you will ATONE.When did we fight this fifty year civil war over, amongst other things, mens rea? I'm intrigued.....

You don't know about the history of the English civil war or how it came about?. I know about the history of the English Civil War (although your claim it lasted fifty years is a little curious, to say the least) but you'll have to enlighten me as to why you claim mens rea was a cause for dispute, given that it had been a settled tenet of English law since the thirteenth century. There's no mntion of mens rea in the bill of rights either. Perhaps you should explain to us what mens rea is, and why that might be a cause for dispute in the seventeenth century...."

.

I give way to your knowledge on mens rea, it was of course nothing to do with the English civil war that was of course the bill of rights, 12 years of fighting 50 years in the making is what I should more accurately of put

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"

I didn't say that you posted partial links. I said that you quote bits of other sources. Just the information in an article or poll that suits you whilst ignoring other information or even the entire purpose of the article in question.

I'm sure you will now argue about my use of the word "odd" or "partial" or "bits"

You didn't really say how this information is provided to you.

You didn't say if you considered if the Express, Telegraph, Mail or RT provided you with an unbiased option.

You don't have to answer. I don't really expect one from you but your view on this would be interesting.

have to say centy.... easy has you "banged to rights on this one"....

remember when you started a thread laurding the fact that trump had reached a "50% favourability"...... except it was just one outlying poll.... in the 22 that are brought out, but you convieniently left that bit out.....

that would be a classic example of what easy means.........

p.s average is still high 30's.... hasn't hit 50% in any poll produced by any company since...... "

.

What's Macrons out of interest?.

Did you think he'd be the best bet for France?

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By *anon6dMan  over a year ago

Edinburgh


"Their take on Brexit, published today:

(I'd post the link, but I don't wanted to be banned)

"The country is now on the verge of disaster. On March 29, unless something is done, Britain will fall out the European Union without a deal.

"That will affect every aspect of the economy. It’s likely to block cargo at the border; pulverize agricultural exports; trigger shortages of food, medicine and radioactive isotopes; spark employment chaos by suddenly canceling the mutual recognition of qualifications between British and European institutions; halt the legal basis for data transfer overnight; and lead to massive and sudden flows of immigration in both directions. The list goes on and on. There is no part of society that is unaffected. And yet not only does the British political class not seem to understand the consequences of what it is doing, it is lost in populist fantasies instead of addressing the cold reality.

"Britain is one of the richest and most advanced democracies in the world. It is currently locked in a room, babbling away to itself hysterically while threatening to blow its own kneecaps off. This is what nationalist populism does to a country. "

"

can you tell us anything new. Not a dig at you but it sums it up. May as well turn our own nukes on the UK. Self destruct.

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By *ara J OP   TV/TS  over a year ago

Bristol East

Some empires take longer than others to collapse completely.

We are living in the death throes of the British.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Some empires take longer than others to collapse completely.

We are living in the death throes of the British.

"

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I think this is one we both agree can't happen fast enough, empires had there day hundreds of years ago and this one has dragged on far too long for everybody's good.

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By *heIcebreakersCouple  over a year ago

Cramlington


"The Washington post is part and parcel of the globalist establishment.

The new world order will be implemented and you will atone for the sin of wanting to run your own country!.

This isn't about trade or finance this is about unelected elites meeting in back rooms to decide what happens, this is about secret societies, billionaires, CEOs and privileged individuals meeting in multi million dollar meetings in fancy hotels to decide what your country does not you the people, free speech, mens rea, democracy, bill of rights, curtailing the power of the state, curtailing theocracy,we fought a God damn bloody civil war for 50 years for these rights and it includes the right to make the wrong decisions and the "worst choices" .

But I'm afraid all these things must go, your bad people, racists xenophobes and bigots making bad financial decisions for globalists corporations, you will not FUCK this up for Google, Microsoft, Volkswagen and Amazon and you will ATONE.When did we fight this fifty year civil war over, amongst other things, mens rea? I'm intrigued.....

You don't know about the history of the English civil war or how it came about?. I know about the history of the English Civil War (although your claim it lasted fifty years is a little curious, to say the least) but you'll have to enlighten me as to why you claim mens rea was a cause for dispute, given that it had been a settled tenet of English law since the thirteenth century. There's no mntion of mens rea in the bill of rights either. Perhaps you should explain to us what mens rea is, and why that might be a cause for dispute in the seventeenth century.....

I give way to your knowledge on mens rea, it was of course nothing to do with the English civil war that was of course the bill of rights, 12 years of fighting 50 years in the making is what I should more accurately of put "

So other than spouting about something you don't understand, and getting the duration of the war wrong, you stand by what you said? Genius.

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By *imiUKMan  over a year ago

Hereford


"Some empires take longer than others to collapse completely.

We are living in the death throes of the British.

"

For me, the British Empire died post-war.

I'm not sure what leaving the EU has to do with empire, mind.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The Washington post is part and parcel of the globalist establishment.

The new world order will be implemented and you will atone for the sin of wanting to run your own country!.

This isn't about trade or finance this is about unelected elites meeting in back rooms to decide what happens, this is about secret societies, billionaires, CEOs and privileged individuals meeting in multi million dollar meetings in fancy hotels to decide what your country does not you the people, free speech, mens rea, democracy, bill of rights, curtailing the power of the state, curtailing theocracy,we fought a God damn bloody civil war for 50 years for these rights and it includes the right to make the wrong decisions and the "worst choices" .

But I'm afraid all these things must go, your bad people, racists xenophobes and bigots making bad financial decisions for globalists corporations, you will not FUCK this up for Google, Microsoft, Volkswagen and Amazon and you will ATONE.When did we fight this fifty year civil war over, amongst other things, mens rea? I'm intrigued.....

You don't know about the history of the English civil war or how it came about?. I know about the history of the English Civil War (although your claim it lasted fifty years is a little curious, to say the least) but you'll have to enlighten me as to why you claim mens rea was a cause for dispute, given that it had been a settled tenet of English law since the thirteenth century. There's no mntion of mens rea in the bill of rights either. Perhaps you should explain to us what mens rea is, and why that might be a cause for dispute in the seventeenth century.....

I give way to your knowledge on mens rea, it was of course nothing to do with the English civil war that was of course the bill of rights, 12 years of fighting 50 years in the making is what I should more accurately of put So other than spouting about something you don't understand, and getting the duration of the war wrong, you stand by what you said? Genius. "

.

You sound a bit bitter and childish now.

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By *entaur_UKMan  over a year ago

Cannock

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By *mmabluTV/TS  over a year ago

upton wirral


"Some empires take longer than others to collapse completely.

We are living in the death throes of the British.

For me, the British Empire died post-war.

I'm not sure what leaving the EU has to do with empire, mind. "

Nothing

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By *entaur_UKMan  over a year ago

Cannock


"Some empires take longer than others to collapse completely.

We are living in the death throes of the British.

"

It's the EU empire that's collapsing. We're leaving it and the cracks are turning into gaping holes on mainland Europe.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Some empires take longer than others to collapse completely.

We are living in the death throes of the British.

It's the EU empire that's collapsing. We're leaving it and the cracks are turning into gaping holes on mainland Europe.

"

Your posts are often comedy gold and his one didn’t disappoint.

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By *entaur_UKMan  over a year ago

Cannock


"Some empires take longer than others to collapse completely.

We are living in the death throes of the British.

It's the EU empire that's collapsing. We're leaving it and the cracks are turning into gaping holes on mainland Europe.

Your posts are often comedy gold and his one didn’t disappoint."

There is no comedy involved in what I said.

The UK is leaving the EU. True.

The cracks in the EU are turning into gaping holes on mainland Europe. True again, just look at France and Italy now it's self evident, and Greece is still a basket case after the Euro crisis bankrupt the country.

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By *heIcebreakersCouple  over a year ago

Cramlington


"The Washington post is part and parcel of the globalist establishment.

The new world order will be implemented and you will atone for the sin of wanting to run your own country!.

This isn't about trade or finance this is about unelected elites meeting in back rooms to decide what happens, this is about secret societies, billionaires, CEOs and privileged individuals meeting in multi million dollar meetings in fancy hotels to decide what your country does not you the people, free speech, mens rea, democracy, bill of rights, curtailing the power of the state, curtailing theocracy,we fought a God damn bloody civil war for 50 years for these rights and it includes the right to make the wrong decisions and the "worst choices" .

But I'm afraid all these things must go, your bad people, racists xenophobes and bigots making bad financial decisions for globalists corporations, you will not FUCK this up for Google, Microsoft, Volkswagen and Amazon and you will ATONE.When did we fight this fifty year civil war over, amongst other things, mens rea? I'm intrigued.....

You don't know about the history of the English civil war or how it came about?. I know about the history of the English Civil War (although your claim it lasted fifty years is a little curious, to say the least) but you'll have to enlighten me as to why you claim mens rea was a cause for dispute, given that it had been a settled tenet of English law since the thirteenth century. There's no mntion of mens rea in the bill of rights either. Perhaps you should explain to us what mens rea is, and why that might be a cause for dispute in the seventeenth century.....

I give way to your knowledge on mens rea, it was of course nothing to do with the English civil war that was of course the bill of rights, 12 years of fighting 50 years in the making is what I should more accurately of put So other than spouting about something you don't understand, and getting the duration of the war wrong, you stand by what you said? Genius. .

You sound a bit bitter and childish now. "

Really? I don't think so. I'm just taking the piss out of you for cutting and pasting a set of grievances and cliches you don't understand from another website....

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The Washington post is part and parcel of the globalist establishment.

The new world order will be implemented and you will atone for the sin of wanting to run your own country!.

This isn't about trade or finance this is about unelected elites meeting in back rooms to decide what happens, this is about secret societies, billionaires, CEOs and privileged individuals meeting in multi million dollar meetings in fancy hotels to decide what your country does not you the people, free speech, mens rea, democracy, bill of rights, curtailing the power of the state, curtailing theocracy,we fought a God damn bloody civil war for 50 years for these rights and it includes the right to make the wrong decisions and the "worst choices" .

But I'm afraid all these things must go, your bad people, racists xenophobes and bigots making bad financial decisions for globalists corporations, you will not FUCK this up for Google, Microsoft, Volkswagen and Amazon and you will ATONE.When did we fight this fifty year civil war over, amongst other things, mens rea? I'm intrigued.....

You don't know about the history of the English civil war or how it came about?. I know about the history of the English Civil War (although your claim it lasted fifty years is a little curious, to say the least) but you'll have to enlighten me as to why you claim mens rea was a cause for dispute, given that it had been a settled tenet of English law since the thirteenth century. There's no mntion of mens rea in the bill of rights either. Perhaps you should explain to us what mens rea is, and why that might be a cause for dispute in the seventeenth century.....

I give way to your knowledge on mens rea, it was of course nothing to do with the English civil war that was of course the bill of rights, 12 years of fighting 50 years in the making is what I should more accurately of put So other than spouting about something you don't understand, and getting the duration of the war wrong, you stand by what you said? Genius. .

You sound a bit bitter and childish now. Really? I don't think so. I'm just taking the piss out of you for cutting and pasting a set of grievances and cliches you don't understand from another website...."

.

If I cut and pasted I wouldn't have got the length of time wrong don't you think or that mens rea wasn't from the English bill of rights?.

I admitted both those discrepancies and moved on, life's like that, try it you might find your childishness lifts a little

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By *asyukMan  over a year ago

West London


"Some empires take longer than others to collapse completely.

We are living in the death throes of the British.

It's the EU empire that's collapsing. We're leaving it and the cracks are turning into gaping holes on mainland Europe.

Your posts are often comedy gold and his one didn’t disappoint.

There is no comedy involved in what I said.

The UK is leaving the EU. True.

The cracks in the EU are turning into gaping holes on mainland Europe. True again, just look at France and Italy now it's self evident, and Greece is still a basket case after the Euro crisis bankrupt the country. "

And the British Empire will rise again. Free from the shackles that "others" have conspired to keep it in.

Throw off the liberal elite with, all of their questions and uncertainties. The true British can finally tell it like it is and

run the country with common sense.

It can once again stride the world being given the praise it is due. It's former dominions turning to it for leadership. Yearning for the certainty they once had when it commanded them.

Their former enemies will crumble. Hand in hand with the USA and Russia we can form an alliance of strength and certainty. Shutting our doors completely to what we don't want and taking what we do.

Yadda, yadda, yadda...

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By *imiUKMan  over a year ago

Hereford


"Some empires take longer than others to collapse completely.

We are living in the death throes of the British.

For me, the British Empire died post-war.

I'm not sure what leaving the EU has to do with empire, mind. Nothing"

I'll just leave this here.

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By *ara J OP   TV/TS  over a year ago

Bristol East


"Some empires take longer than others to collapse completely.

We are living in the death throes of the British.

For me, the British Empire died post-war.

I'm not sure what leaving the EU has to do with empire, mind. "

This debacle is little about the EU and all about the UK.

Leaving the EU won't address the fundamental issues.

It's exposed a stinking mindset, the culture of exceptionalism among those who think they are born to rule.

They have opened the lid on something really toxic in the heart of these islands.

What emerges the other side hopefully will be a state and people at ease with themselves and their place in the world.

The United Kingdom was a creation of English expansion that grew into global colonisation.

It's disintegration isn't finished.

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By *heIcebreakersCouple  over a year ago

Cramlington


"The Washington post is part and parcel of the globalist establishment.

The new world order will be implemented and you will atone for the sin of wanting to run your own country!.

This isn't about trade or finance this is about unelected elites meeting in back rooms to decide what happens, this is about secret societies, billionaires, CEOs and privileged individuals meeting in multi million dollar meetings in fancy hotels to decide what your country does not you the people, free speech, mens rea, democracy, bill of rights, curtailing the power of the state, curtailing theocracy,we fought a God damn bloody civil war for 50 years for these rights and it includes the right to make the wrong decisions and the "worst choices" .

But I'm afraid all these things must go, your bad people, racists xenophobes and bigots making bad financial decisions for globalists corporations, you will not FUCK this up for Google, Microsoft, Volkswagen and Amazon and you will ATONE.When did we fight this fifty year civil war over, amongst other things, mens rea? I'm intrigued.....

You don't know about the history of the English civil war or how it came about?. I know about the history of the English Civil War (although your claim it lasted fifty years is a little curious, to say the least) but you'll have to enlighten me as to why you claim mens rea was a cause for dispute, given that it had been a settled tenet of English law since the thirteenth century. There's no mntion of mens rea in the bill of rights either. Perhaps you should explain to us what mens rea is, and why that might be a cause for dispute in the seventeenth century.....

I give way to your knowledge on mens rea, it was of course nothing to do with the English civil war that was of course the bill of rights, 12 years of fighting 50 years in the making is what I should more accurately of put So other than spouting about something you don't understand, and getting the duration of the war wrong, you stand by what you said? Genius. .

You sound a bit bitter and childish now. Really? I don't think so. I'm just taking the piss out of you for cutting and pasting a set of grievances and cliches you don't understand from another website.....

If I cut and pasted I wouldn't have got the length of time wrong don't you think or that mens rea wasn't from the English bill of rights?.

I admitted both those discrepancies and moved on, life's like that, try it you might find your childishness lifts a little "

In my experience people who know very little about history and law but a lot about conspiracy theories cut and paste from people as stupid as themselves. You might want to think about the amount of ad hominem attacks you've retreated into as soon as you're called out on your bullshit....

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By *wosmilersCouple  over a year ago

Heathrowish

It's a newspaper. With a viewpoint and an egenda that suits it's readership. It therefore may report fact, but it may also report opinion and may from time to time only report what suits the opinion of the day and omit the alternative.

My grandmother used to say, today's news is tomorrow's fish and chip wrapping.

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By *illwill69uMan  over a year ago

moston


"12 years of fighting"

Really?

So to be clear in your world from the raising of 'The Kings Colours' on the 22 August 1642 in the city of Nottingham to either the beheading of Charles I on a scaffold in front of the Banqueting House (thats the big house across the street from Horse Guards) Whitehall on 30 January 1649, or even the Battle of Worcester on 3 September 1651 is 12 years.

Oh no, wait I understand, in your world the English civil war did not end until Cromwell had the Army Council size power in a military coup, dissolve parliament and 'crown' him 'Lord Protector' in 1653.

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