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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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So instead of the backstop we want alternative arrangements. Can someone enlighten me as to what they are.
If you can, can you also explain why we are arguing over a backstop that’s clearly never going to be used because we have these alternative arrangements up our sleeves. |
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"So instead of the backstop we want alternative arrangements. Can someone enlighten me as to what they are.
If you can, can you also explain why we are arguing over a backstop that’s clearly never going to be used because we have these alternative arrangements up our sleeves."
It comprises sunlit uplands and unicorn dust |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"So instead of the backstop we want alternative arrangements. Can someone enlighten me as to what they are.
If you can, can you also explain why we are arguing over a backstop that’s clearly never going to be used because we have these alternative arrangements up our sleeves."
unicorns..............
actually one of the people i was really impressed with in the debate yesterday was independent northern ireland mp lady sylvia harmon.... because she pressed the PM, the Brexit sec and Brady himself on what "altenative arrangements" actually meant.... and none of them could actually answer! |
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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago
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I think the EU would be interested too what those alternative arrangements are.
Anyhow I don't understand the issue with the backstop: If the UK is really interested in finding a sustainable solution for the Northern Ireland border problem, they will have two years of transition period to do so. The backstop only kicks in as a last resort should no trade agreement be found. It's up to the brexeemists themselves to avoid the latter. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I think the EU would be interested too what those alternative arrangements are.
Anyhow I don't understand the issue with the backstop: If the UK is really interested in finding a sustainable solution for the Northern Ireland border problem, they will have two years of transition period to do so. The backstop only kicks in as a last resort should no trade agreement be found. It's up to the brexeemists themselves to avoid the latter. "
Well, it's been over 2.5 years since the referendum to have Brexit and Westminster still can't agree on what Brexit actually is.
So no, nothing the Government / parliament has done in over 2 years fills me with any form of confidence that a trade agreement can be negotiated within 2 years to avoid the backstop triggering. |
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Cobbled together load of old cobblers (apologies to any in the shoe business), to support the government achieving anything of any significance.
The Conservative party, should have taken a decision and at least have got its own clear brexit requirements agreed, before they even triggered Article 50. As they chose not to, it's meant that the rest of parliament, the country and the EU, have had to suffer the enormous waste of all this time. If a so-called leader couldn't get her party to agree something, then it's wilful neglect and dereliction of duty, to subject the country to such hugely expensive negotiations (because she couldn't/wouldn't get her party to agree), to be left until the last minute, trying to creatively make up amendments that appease both the conservative extremists and others in her party. The initial vote and production of Plan B should have been done before Christmas, allowing a little more suitable time for the government's mess to potentially get straightened out. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"This is nothing more than a way of wasting another 2 or 3 weeks in the hope that the EU will throw the ROI and peace in Ireland under the bus and give May a deal that will save the Tory party.
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Rubbish your reasoning is flawed.This whole thing is to get out without a deal a blame the EU and not are sad parliament. |
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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago
on the hill NordWest of |
"Hard to understand what UK really want
Thought Parliament made it pretty clear the other night they want to get rid of the backstop. "
Yeah with 'alternative arrangements'... sure you couldn't get any more explicit and crystalclear what that entails....
 do you really think the EU is going to buy that? |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
Parliament said what it did NOT want, not what it wanted.
The EU is still asking the question - what do you want, UK?
The UK - or rather the Conservative Party - still cannot answer.
Did you hear the Brexit Secretary in the radio interview?
Five times he was asked to explain what these new arrangements are.
Five times he dodged the question.
The UK wants to "explore" them.
What they fuck have they been doing for the last two years, if only now they are "exploring" them.
It's a sham.
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"Hard to understand what UK really want
Thought Parliament made it pretty clear the other night they want to get rid of the backstop. "
Very good
And the eu made it crystal that for any deal a backstop must remain
And parliament made it crystal clear that no deal is off the table
So the only solution is no Brexit x |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
The EU can't negotiate with a Parliament, only a Government.
That's what it did.
Mrs May signed on the dotted line on behalf of the British Government and hailed it a triumph for post-Brexit Britain.
Now the EU finds Mrs May is not in control.
Her Government is unstable.
It is her Parliament, or more accurately her Party, that is pulling the strings.
it cannot be easy to get 27 governments to sign up to something.
It must be impossible when the 28th does not have the authority to act on behalf of its country.
It is a UK problem, not an EU one.
Britain needs to get its act together and decide what it does want, not what it doesn't.
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"The EU can't negotiate with a Parliament, only a Government.
That's what it did.
Mrs May signed on the dotted line on behalf of the British Government and hailed it a triumph for post-Brexit Britain.
Now the EU finds Mrs May is not in control.
Her Government is unstable.
It is her Parliament, or more accurately her Party, that is pulling the strings.
it cannot be easy to get 27 governments to sign up to something.
It must be impossible when the 28th does not have the authority to act on behalf of its country.
It is a UK problem, not an EU one.
Britain needs to get its act together and decide what it does want, not what it doesn't.
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25 percent of the UK want to leave without a deal
27 percent think they want to leave but not sure how or really why
48 percent want to stay and know why |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"It wouldn't be the first time that the fat cats in the European . Have thrown Ireland under the bus .
Remember the banking crisis "
You mean the Irish banking crisis where the Irish government paid back every creditor they had 2 years early and with interest, including the uk government.. so let’s not pretend the brits didn’t make a profit from it!  |
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"Doing a volte face on a watertight backstop agreed only a few weeks ago just underlines the importance of a watertight backstop when viewed from Brussels and London.
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This. 100% this.
Can you imagine the faux 'outrage' if this was the other way round and the European Parliament (or any national parliament come to think of it), said the legally-agreed text just agreed needed to be undone and renegotiated, but didn't say how or what it would be replaced with...
...and that's before you get your head around the PM telling her MPs to vote for an amendment that undid the deal she had said was the best she could do! You couldn't make this up!
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"Doing a volte face on a watertight backstop agreed only a few weeks ago just underlines the importance of a watertight backstop when viewed from Brussels and London.
This. 100% this.
Can you imagine the faux 'outrage' if this was the other way round and the European Parliament (or any national parliament come to think of it), said the legally-agreed text just agreed needed to be undone and renegotiated, but didn't say how or what it would be replaced with...
...and that's before you get your head around the PM telling her MPs to vote for an amendment that undid the deal she had said was the best she could do! You couldn't make this up!
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This..
It's beyond satire.. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
It is satire. I posted this a week ago from the Daily Mash. Then it happened:
THERESA May has confirmed that she will take the same plan back to Brussels to ask for the same changes before the same MPs vote on it the same way.
The prime minister has confounded critics who accused her of being out of ideas with her innovative new approach of repeating her actions exactly to achieve an identical result.
A Cabinet source said: “She’s issued everyone with scripts and warned us that she doesn’t want any improv.
“We’re all to deliver exactly the same lines to the same people as we’ve been doing for the last month. I questioned why and she told me I hadn’t asked that first time around so I wasn’t allowed to ask it this time.
“The leaders of the EU will send her back with no new concessions, then she gives the speech about how we must back her deal, then we vote against it, ‘ad infinitum’ it says here.”
May said: “Nothing has changed, can change or will ever change. Brexit is Brexit is Brexit is Brexit is Brexit is Brexit is Brexit.”
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
upton wirral |
"Parliament said what it did NOT want, not what it wanted.
The EU is still asking the question - what do you want, UK?
The UK - or rather the Conservative Party - still cannot answer.
Did you hear the Brexit Secretary in the radio interview?
Five times he was asked to explain what these new arrangements are.
Five times he dodged the question.
The UK wants to "explore" them.
What they fuck have they been doing for the last two years, if only now they are "exploring" them.
It's a sham.
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Can you not understand it is Parliament as a whole not the tory party,this is the mistake of it all,you cannot get away from thinking in the terms of petty parties,you maybe an MP,that might explain your wrong thinking |
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"Parliament said what it did NOT want, not what it wanted.
The EU is still asking the question - what do you want, UK?
The UK - or rather the Conservative Party - still cannot answer.
Did you hear the Brexit Secretary in the radio interview?
Five times he was asked to explain what these new arrangements are.
Five times he dodged the question.
The UK wants to "explore" them.
What they fuck have they been doing for the last two years, if only now they are "exploring" them.
It's a sham.
Can you not understand it is Parliament as a whole not the tory party,this is the mistake of it all,you cannot get away from thinking in the terms of petty parties,you maybe an MP,that might explain your wrong thinking"
So if it's Parliament as you say, just when did the other parties become part of the negotiations..?
Before article 50 was triggered or at what point after?
Be interested to know how you alone know of this.. |
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" So the only solution is no Brexit x"
Yay! So a solution to all the dead lock problems and also avoids a future economic downturn  We would still have our sovereign parliament, the perk of free movement and 50 odd existing free trade deals!
Win-win with no draw backs! Excellent idea! Lets do it |
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