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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Today mps are preparing to vote on amendments to mays brexit deal that could shape the next stage of negotiations with the, how do you think it will go? She wants the cake but not the cherry lol. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It’ll get shot down I imagine.
As a person who voted remain, I’d rather this whole shitstorm got chucked away but if we are going to leave we need trade deals in place. No deal isn’t an option and needs to be forgotten about. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We're not going anywhere!
I wish these Brexit posts would pop into the political forum.
Oh... it ain't my fault! 
I should have said threads"
Lesson learnt I won't be doing it again... |
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The whole thing is a car crash. If you voted leave you were conned by a few millionaire Tory Toffs who jumped on a band wagon to further their careers. £17bn so far to prepare for Brexit. Stick that on the side of a bus |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"Just ask yourself this...
Why doesn't Europe want us to leave...?
Because we are part of the European continent
And we still would be, geographically. "
Indeed. And the people who live on it became so fed up with knocking six bells out of one another they decided it would be a nice change to try to get on with each other instead. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Here is a few truths...
The UK has always been a bully.
Its their way or no way.
And this whole pile of shite is another example.
Want to leave the EU but keep the benefits.
Take and take some more but don't give anything back.
Fine you don't want immigrants,then do the shitty jobs no English person wants to do.
You don't want everyone to come over to yours,fine then you will need visas to get into other countries.
You want to keep NI but don't want a hard border.Well that certainly put a stop to your dealings.
Wake up and smell the roses.
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"Here is a few truths...
The UK has always been a bully.
Its their way or no way.
And this whole pile of shite is another example.
Want to leave the EU but keep the benefits.
Take and take some more but don't give anything back.
Fine you don't want immigrants,then do the shitty jobs no English person wants to do.
You don't want everyone to come over to yours,fine then you will need visas to get into other countries.
You want to keep NI but don't want a hard border.Well that certainly put a stop to your dealings.
Wake up and smell the roses.
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So so true! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Here is a few truths...
The UK has always been a bully.
Its their way or no way.
And this whole pile of shite is another example.
Want to leave the EU but keep the benefits.
Take and take some more but don't give anything back.
Fine you don't want immigrants,then do the shitty jobs no English person wants to do.
You don't want everyone to come over to yours,fine then you will need visas to get into other countries.
You want to keep NI but don't want a hard border.Well that certainly put a stop to your dealings.
Wake up and smell the roses.
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That is right and yes northern ireland have to be in the eu to not have a hard border. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Heard a very good metaphor ....
UK is the titanic ... EU is the iceberg ...
Very fitting
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Ooh I watched a programme on that. It was internal fires weakening the ship that did for it rather than just an iceberg. Still quite fitting though  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Heard a very good metaphor ....
UK is the titanic ... EU is the iceberg ...
Very fitting
Ooh I watched a programme on that. It was internal fires weakening the ship that did for it rather than just an iceberg. Still quite fitting though "
It was a series of things which led to titanic sinking.  |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Game on.... both the cooper and the Brady amendments have been called so both will be voted on "
Coopers amendment will probably be her swansong cant see her getting voted for again unless she changes constituency as 70% of hers voted to leave.But same old shit you can all kiss my arse im going to do what i want.
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
You cannot negotiate with yourself.
Mrs May has already declared the time for talks on the withdrawal agreement is over.
The EU has said so. The Euro Parliament has said so.
It’s a game of chicken to see who blinks first.
That will depend on who has the most to lose in a No Deal scenario. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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No matter what happens, who gets into power, if we end up leaving with or without a deal or just give up.... as a nation we will never be happy. The whole brexit vote was so close, that it will divide and dominate politics and the people for decades. There is no win/win scenario.  |
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Meanwhile, under cover of this utter shambles in Parliament, the UK Government has announced that in the event of a No Deal Brexit, the NHS will stop paying the French and Spanish (amongst others) health services to provide health cover for retired UK citizens living in Spain/France etc. Our decision to leave our citizens between a rock and a hard place...disgraceful |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"coopers amendment kicked out .  "
and the pound just fell 1 cent against the dollar... and the euro....
so yey.... that money in your pocket just devalued even further..... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We're not going anywhere!
I wish these Brexit posts would pop into the political forum.
Oh... it ain't my fault! "
I dunno! We need a referendum to decide |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"coopers amendment kicked out .
and the pound just fell 1 cent against the dollar... and the euro....
so yey.... that money in your pocket just devalued even further....."
Will help exports |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
spielmans passed, which is basically coopers but without the legal mandate.... but it is certainly a shot against the bow of the hard brexiteers who think we are going to leave with a "no deal" situation.......
let see what happens with brady..... |
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"coopers amendment kicked out .
and the pound just fell 1 cent against the dollar... and the euro....
so yey.... that money in your pocket just devalued even further.....
Will help exports "
Shame we are net importers |
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"We're not going anywhere!
I wish these Brexit posts would pop into the political forum.
Oh... it ain't my fault!
I dunno! We need a referendum to decide
Spellman amendment passed"
Spielmans ammendment not binding on the government though. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"spielmans passed, which is basically coopers but without the legal mandate.... but it is certainly a shot against the bow of the hard brexiteers who think we are going to leave with a "no deal" situation.......
let see what happens with brady....."
You still dont get it on the 29th if there is not a deal agreed we leave, thats written into uk and eu law so even if they changed the uk law it doesnt change the eu law. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Well the EU are not going to move on the backstop. And the No-deal amendment was voted through as well. "
A non binding amendment,Its not all remainers who voted for that a lot of leavers also dont want to leave with no deal but dont for one minute think that is going to stop leave.As i said its eu law also on the 29th we are out deal or no deal unless artical 50 is revoked and the government wont do that.
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Well looking like it will a no deal and the End of what they call Great Britain I call call shite Britain. Laughting stock of Europe and I don't blame them. "
Shame you feel that way about your country i suggest you go travelling and see what some shite countries really look like.
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"Well looking like it will a no deal and the End of what they call Great Britain I call call shite Britain. Laughting stock of Europe and I don't blame them. Shame you feel that way about your country i suggest you go travelling and see what some shite countries really look like."
hear hear. The ayes have it at last. Quick there will soon be a shortage of dummies remoaners. This I'm mightier than thou attitude stinks. There are some fabulous places for your kind to go try
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"Well have travelled a lot to different countries for you advise. And lot better than here especially in Europe. "
good for you... Shows one thing you are not on the lower end of the spectrum in this country. It must be nice to travel all over. We were not all born with a spoon in our mouths.
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"Well have travelled a lot to different countries for you advise. And lot better than here especially in Europe. good for you... Shows one thing you are not on the lower end of the spectrum in this country. It must be nice to travel all over. We were not all born with a spoon in our mouths. "
I don't think you'd last 5 minutes up this neck of the woods
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"Well have travelled a lot to different countries for you advise. And lot better than here especially in Europe. good for you... Shows one thing you are not on the lower end of the spectrum in this country. It must be nice to travel all over. We were not all born with a spoon in our mouths. "
We have worked for what we have got. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Well have travelled a lot to different countries for you advise. And lot better than here especially in Europe. "
Im not talking about holiday resorts,ive worked all over and you want to see shit countries for the locals who work there try Nigeria,Egypt or South Africa for a start then tell me GB is a shit country.Pisses me off people running the country down when there are people all over the world so much worse off.
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"Well have travelled a lot to different countries for you advise. And lot better than here especially in Europe. Im not talking about holiday resorts,ive worked all over and you want to see shit countries for the locals who work there try Nigeria,Egypt or South Africa for a start then tell me GB is a shit
country.Pisses me off people running the country down when there are people all over the world so much worse off."
Well for you info I have been to countries similar to those so put that in your pipe and smoke it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Well have travelled a lot to different countries for you advise. And lot better than here especially in Europe. Im not talking about holiday resorts,ive worked all over and you want to see shit countries for the locals who work there try Nigeria,Egypt or South Africa for a start then tell me GB is a shit country.Pisses me off people running the country down when there are people all over the world so much worse off."
I’m fairness we’re well on our way to joining them. Especially for workers. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
upton wirral |
"Well have travelled a lot to different countries for you advise. And lot better than here especially in Europe. Im not talking about holiday resorts,ive worked all over and you want to see shit countries for the locals who work there try Nigeria,Egypt or South Africa for a start then tell me GB is a shit country.Pisses me off people running the country down when there are people all over the world so much worse off.
I’m fairness we’re well on our way to joining them. Especially for workers."
What crap we are a long way from these countries people do not know how well off they are |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
upton wirral |
"Well have travelled a lot to different countries for you advise. And lot better than here especially in Europe. good for you... Shows one thing you are not on the lower end of the spectrum in this country. It must be nice to travel all over. We were not all born with a spoon in our mouths. "
Jealous of people doing well in there careers is bad,no need for it
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
upton wirral |
"spielmans passed, which is basically coopers but without the legal mandate.... but it is certainly a shot against the bow of the hard brexiteers who think we are going to leave with a "no deal" situation.......
let see what happens with brady.....You still dont get it on the 29th if there is not a deal agreed we leave, thats written into uk and eu law so even if they changed the uk law it doesnt change the eu law."
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
upton wirral |
"We're not going anywhere!
I wish these Brexit posts would pop into the political forum.
Oh... it ain't my fault!
I dunno! We need a referendum to decide "
Not getting a referendum it is now EU changes its mind about the backstop or we leave with no deal simple |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Brady ammendment passed and supported by the government. Time to get rid of the backstop. "
So that stupid bitch May now after agreeing to something will now go back and say ummmm, errrrr, hmmmmm arrrhhhh I don't want that bit now...
Fucking useless the fucking lot of them |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We're not going anywhere!
I wish these Brexit posts would pop into the political forum.
Oh... it ain't my fault!
I dunno! We need a referendum to decide Not getting a referendum it is now EU changes its mind about the backstop or we leave with no deal simple"
I do fucking hope it's that clear cut. |
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"We're not going anywhere!
I wish these Brexit posts would pop into the political forum.
Oh... it ain't my fault!
I dunno! We need a referendum to decide Not getting a referendum it is now EU changes its mind about the backstop or we leave with no deal simple"
I doubt it. There's plenty more twists and turns to go. We have plumbed new depths tonight....I PM who actively persuaded her party to send her back to renegotiate something that she spent 18 months putting in place. All we need is Brian Rix dropping his trousers and we have a complete farce on our hands |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
Oliver Letwin says the Conservative Party will be finished for a generation if it takes the UK out if the EU without an agreement.
Only 58 days to wait until they commit electoral suicide. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Oliver Letwin says the Conservative Party will be finished for a generation if it takes the UK out if the EU without an agreement.
Only 58 days to wait until they commit electoral suicide."
The house has put the responsibility of no deal firmly on the government. It would be brave to go down this route given the number of warnings across the board. |
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By *andm288Couple
over a year ago
oxford |
"Well have travelled a lot to different countries for you advise. And lot better than here especially in Europe. Im not talking about holiday resorts,ive worked all over and you want to see shit countries for the locals who work there try Nigeria,Egypt or South Africa for a start then tell me GB is a shit
country.Pisses me off people running the country down when there are people all over the world so much worse off.
Well for you info I have been to countries similar to those so put that in your pipe and smoke it. "
Well if you don’t rate or like this country may i politely ask why the Fuk are you living here ? |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"Oliver Letwin says the Conservative Party will be finished for a generation if it takes the UK out if the EU without an agreement.
Only 58 days to wait until they commit electoral suicide.
The house has put the responsibility of no deal firmly on the government. It would be brave to go down this route given the number of warnings across the board. "
58 days to go and still no-one in the Conservative Party, the architect of Brexit, can tell you what it looks like.
Mrs May has agreed a withdrawal agreement with 27 governments but cannot get her own party to support.
Now her party has instructed her to re-open an agreement Mrs May said could not be re-opened.
The EU does not want to re-open it because it knows Spain, France and the Netherlands will want to renegotiate other aspects.
So it will come down to a choice between an agreement already rejected by her own party, no agreement or delaying Article 50.
The Conservative Party will be torn apart, either by its own MPs, its own supporters or the Leave voters.
I’m stocking up on popcorn. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Oliver Letwin says the Conservative Party will be finished for a generation if it takes the UK out if the EU without an agreement.
Only 58 days to wait until they commit electoral suicide."
If Labour didn't have Corbyn and Abbot then I'd say the Torries had already done so. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Oliver Letwin says the Conservative Party will be finished for a generation if it takes the UK out if the EU without an agreement.
Only 58 days to wait until they commit electoral suicide."
i don't think he's wrong.... which is why where TM is so weak at the moment, no one wants her job, because if it does go tits up in a no deal situation , they only chance the next tory leader will have is to distance themselves from may as much as possible and say its all her fault!
which might just about work if you are a javid or a raab.... but won't work if you are a johnson or a gove |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Just ask yourself this...
Why doesn't Europe want us to leave...?"
Because we are the 2nd highest net contributor (of 3 net contributors overall - the other 25 are on the take)
There's going to be a massive hole in EU finances once we're gone - and they know that the whole thing is likely to fall apart from then on. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Just ask yourself this...
Why doesn't Europe want us to leave...?
Because we are the 2nd highest net contributor (of 3 net contributors overall - the other 25 are on the take)
There's going to be a massive hole in EU finances once we're gone - and they know that the whole thing is likely to fall apart from then on."
Why would it fall apart ?
OK real world facts below, EU haters look away now
Full Fact figures 2014 - 2017 EU contributions.
We "the UK" are normally the 3rd or 4th highest contributor to the EU budget.
Without our rebate the UK would be the 2nd largest contributor behind Germany.
There are 10 yes 10 countries that pay more into the EU than they receive back.
All member states pay into the EU to start with then receive EU payments / grants for projects within their own countries.
Every member state gets payments for projects by the EU.
All that will happen is each member state will receive less in grants to ballance the books. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Looks like a second referendum is almost dead in the water now then "
Was never much in it though. Very few politicians actually supported a second referendum.
The first one proved that people cannot be trusted to vote in their own interests or in the interests of the country. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"Looks like a second referendum is almost dead in the water now then "
Until we see what, if anything, changes after May goes back to ask for the same thing in two weeks that it took two years not to get.
There seems to be an odd perspective developing in this country that if we demand something, someone should provide it for us. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"Just ask yourself this...
Why doesn't Europe want us to leave...?
Because we are the 2nd highest net contributor (of 3 net contributors overall - the other 25 are on the take)
There's going to be a massive hole in EU finances once we're gone - and they know that the whole thing is likely to fall apart from then on.
Why would it fall apart ?
OK real world facts below, EU haters look away now
Full Fact figures 2014 - 2017 EU contributions.
We "the UK" are normally the 3rd or 4th highest contributor to the EU budget.
Without our rebate the UK would be the 2nd largest contributor behind Germany.
There are 10 yes 10 countries that pay more into the EU than they receive back.
All member states pay into the EU to start with then receive EU payments / grants for projects within their own countries.
Every member state gets payments for projects by the EU.
All that will happen is each member state will receive less in grants to ballance the books. "
It's more of question of asking other EU countries to make up the shortfall in order to maintain the present budgets
Either the richer countries contribute more, or the budgets get slashed. Each other member country would have internal political pressure coming to bear. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"Just ask yourself this...
Why doesn't Europe want us to leave...?
Because we are the 2nd highest net contributor (of 3 net contributors overall - the other 25 are on the take)
There's going to be a massive hole in EU finances once we're gone - and they know that the whole thing is likely to fall apart from then on."
It is often said that the Brexit vote saw past the negative financial implications and identified a nobler cause. If that is the case, then Europeans too are quite capable of seeing past purely financial implications.
Brexiters - "It's not about the money, it is about sovereignty and about freedom. It doesn't matter about the money and anyway, they need us more than we need them because we buy loads of German cars and pay in far more than we take out - they need our money." |
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May's somewhat deluded or doesn't care that much if there's a no deal exit: her month long delay, over Christmas, for parliament's vote spoke volumes. The EU have been very clear that they're not going to make substantial changes. Plus with just a few days to go before the potential exit, it's clear that the government should be doing far more. The extremists have been running the show in the conservative party, ever since the referendum, even though they're just a minority. An unforgivable excuse for a government, trying to stop its own party from disintegration. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"Well looking like it will a no deal and the End of what they call Great Britain I call call shite Britain. Laughting stock of Europe and I don't blame them. "
Yes, we are a laughing stock and not just in Europe, but in the world.
The Brady vote yesterday was a micro-encapsulation of the referendum itself in as much as a majority voted for something unspecified.
Referendum = This is the EU and these are its faults. Shall we stay with this and all its faults or leave and sort ourselves out along the way?
Brady Amendment = This is the backstop and these are its faults. Shall we stay with the backstop and all its faults or ditch it in favour of something else as yet unspecified?
In both instances, the majority voted for an unspecified future that will inevitable never satisfy all who voted for it for the simple reason that there is no cohesion about what the unspecified direction the future should be.
It is an infantile political charade that shames this country and all who live here. Politicians SHOULD be acting for the good of this country and taking solid and pragmatic cross party decisions to do what is right for the country. This charade and the charade of meeting Corbyn is for one purpose only....
1) "We tried to talk to Labour, but they would not accept that this deal is the best deal and talks broke down, it is entirely the fault of the Labour leadership"
2) We tried to explain to the EU that we have a consensus for a deal but they refused to budge. Their hostility towards the UK is the reason that the talks cannot progress."
See you all again in two weeks. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"coopers amendment kicked out .
31 Labour MPs didn't support the Cooper Amendment, despite being instructed to by the Labour front bench "
sort of...... it was only a "1 line" whip, which means that it was the party preffered option, but you can vote again it if you want.....
its the "3 line" whip where if you vote against it you have the whip withdrawn from you..... |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"When ppl say we are the laughing stock of Europe what does that actually mean lol "
Seriously?
OK - Let's just take one moment from yesterday as an example...
Theresa May has spent the best part of three years informally and formally negotiating her withdrawal deal and on at least 6 occasions in the last two months, she has stated publically that the backstop is essential. She negotiated it and she owns it. Yesterday she backed an amendment that basically shafts her own deal and instructs her to go back and renegotiate something that she has said many times herself is not negotiable.
The last two years have seen multiple head in hands moments from senior politicians making the most crass, false and embarrassing statements in public and in Westminster and guess what... Your typical European voter is far more politically attuned than your typical Brit voter. They see the highlights of the slow-motion car crash that we experience day in and day out.
Mostly though - they know that there is no deal better than the one we already have and the verbal gymnastics that so-called serious politicians get involved with in order to make completely meaningless and shallow arguments is a nonsense to anyone looking in from the outside. Arguments such as... "For the UK, it is not about the money - we accept that there might be a short term hit but remember - the EU needs us far more than we need them. They need our contributions and we buy far more from them than they buy from us." These kinds of nonsensical and hypocritical statements are read on the continent.
The grand old lady of democracy has become a laughing stock. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
Alternative arrangements means, um, er, alternative arrangements.
That’ll be the red, white and blue alternative arrangements? Or the tricolour alternative arrangements?
Nero fiddles while Rome burns. |
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"When ppl say we are the laughing stock of Europe what does that actually mean lol
Seriously?
OK - Let's just take one moment from yesterday as an example...
Theresa May has spent the best part of three years informally and formally negotiating her withdrawal deal and on at least 6 occasions in the last two months, she has stated publically that the backstop is essential. She negotiated it and she owns it. Yesterday she backed an amendment that basically shafts her own deal and instructs her to go back and renegotiate something that she has said many times herself is not negotiable.
The last two years have seen multiple head in hands moments from senior politicians making the most crass, false and embarrassing statements in public and in Westminster and guess what... Your typical European voter is far more politically attuned than your typical Brit voter. They see the highlights of the slow-motion car crash that we experience day in and day out.
Mostly though - they know that there is no deal better than the one we already have and the verbal gymnastics that so-called serious politicians get involved with in order to make completely meaningless and shallow arguments is a nonsense to anyone looking in from the outside. Arguments such as... "For the UK, it is not about the money - we accept that there might be a short term hit but remember - the EU needs us far more than we need them. They need our contributions and we buy far more from them than they buy from us." These kinds of nonsensical and hypocritical statements are read on the continent.
The grand old lady of democracy has become a laughing stock."
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" so it’s just a silly saying then I was just asking lol"
It's a polite way of saying something or someone is totally fucking useless, pathetic, incapable etc |
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"When ppl say we are the laughing stock of Europe what does that actually mean lol "
Rightly or wrongly Britain is seen as a rather arrogant country, from a European perspective. Maybe to do with the history of the Empire. I don’t know.
So when it appears that our arrogance gets the better of us, for example voting to leave the EU and the ensuing fall out and infighting amongst the politicians. They laugh at us when talking about us as a nation.
This on top of the general ease with which people were fooled/coerced/scared into voting against their own interests. Makes us a laughing stock.
I personally don’t care if we are a laughingstock. National stereotypes are for people who are small minded. Americans get a lot of shit abroad since they voted in Trump. But the average American who travels abroad is unlikely to be a Trump supporter. So labelling them all as stupid isn’t helpful. |
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It's actually quite fascinating to watch UK politicians in action. In normal circumstances it's your undemocratic fptp voting system that amuses me but the whole brexit fiasco is taking things to be levels. As for the screaming and shouting over the backstop, that's just bizarre. All of the leading leave campaigners told you, and I'd, that technology was the answer when the border was raised during the referendum campaign. There was no need to worry about it at all, it wasn't a problem. Now the same people are telling us that the backstop is the dealbreaker here, yet the backstop will give way to the technological solutions as soon as they're found so its hard to see what the problem is since Boris et al have said that there's no problem finding solutions.
It would be funny if it didn't have the potential for such enormous tragedy. |
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"When ppl say we are the laughing stock of Europe what does that actually mean lol
Rightly or wrongly Britain is seen as a rather arrogant country, from a European perspective. Maybe to do with the history of the Empire. I don’t know.
So when it appears that our arrogance gets the better of us, for example voting to leave the EU and the ensuing fall out and infighting amongst the politicians. They laugh at us when talking about us as a nation.
This on top of the general ease with which people were fooled/coerced/scared into voting against their own interests. Makes us a laughing stock.
I personally don’t care if we are a laughingstock. National stereotypes are for people who are small minded. Americans get a lot of shit abroad since they voted in Trump. But the average American who travels abroad is unlikely to be a Trump supporter. So labelling them all as stupid isn’t helpful."
I think any reference to the UK being a laughing stock is directed at our Government and not it's people. |
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"When ppl say we are the laughing stock of Europe what does that actually mean lol
Rightly or wrongly Britain is seen as a rather arrogant country, from a European perspective. Maybe to do with the history of the Empire. I don’t know.
So when it appears that our arrogance gets the better of us, for example voting to leave the EU and the ensuing fall out and infighting amongst the politicians. They laugh at us when talking about us as a nation.
This on top of the general ease with which people were fooled/coerced/scared into voting against their own interests. Makes us a laughing stock.
I personally don’t care if we are a laughingstock. National stereotypes are for people who are small minded. Americans get a lot of shit abroad since they voted in Trump. But the average American who travels abroad is unlikely to be a Trump supporter. So labelling them all as stupid isn’t helpful.
I think any reference to the UK being a laughing stock is directed at our Government and not it's people. "
I think it’s laughable that ppl actually think Europeans stand or sit about even talking about the U.K. never mind laughing at us as if they don’t have there own shit going on lol I’m sure too- hot will be back on soon woth a story of when he was sat in a bar in Spain and overheard some Europeans talking and laughing how stupid the brits are over leaving lol |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"When ppl say we are the laughing stock of Europe what does that actually mean lol
Rightly or wrongly Britain is seen as a rather arrogant country, from a European perspective. Maybe to do with the history of the Empire. I don’t know.
So when it appears that our arrogance gets the better of us, for example voting to leave the EU and the ensuing fall out and infighting amongst the politicians. They laugh at us when talking about us as a nation.
This on top of the general ease with which people were fooled/coerced/scared into voting against their own interests. Makes us a laughing stock.
I personally don’t care if we are a laughingstock. National stereotypes are for people who are small minded. Americans get a lot of shit abroad since they voted in Trump. But the average American who travels abroad is unlikely to be a Trump supporter. So labelling them all as stupid isn’t helpful.
I think any reference to the UK being a laughing stock is directed at our Government and not it's people. I think it’s laughable that ppl actually think Europeans stand or sit about even talking about the U.K. never mind laughing at us as if they don’t have there own shit going on lol I’m sure too- hot will be back on soon woth a story of when he was sat in a bar in Spain and overheard some Europeans talking and laughing how stupid the brits are over leaving lol"
Not so much Europeans but certainly my American colleagues and Associates are truly mystified. Please don’t be surprised or think it ridiculous that I talk to my colleagues, partners, associates and customers. |
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"When ppl say we are the laughing stock of Europe what does that actually mean lol
Rightly or wrongly Britain is seen as a rather arrogant country, from a European perspective. Maybe to do with the history of the Empire. I don’t know.
So when it appears that our arrogance gets the better of us, for example voting to leave the EU and the ensuing fall out and infighting amongst the politicians. They laugh at us when talking about us as a nation.
This on top of the general ease with which people were fooled/coerced/scared into voting against their own interests. Makes us a laughing stock.
I personally don’t care if we are a laughingstock. National stereotypes are for people who are small minded. Americans get a lot of shit abroad since they voted in Trump. But the average American who travels abroad is unlikely to be a Trump supporter. So labelling them all as stupid isn’t helpful.
I think any reference to the UK being a laughing stock is directed at our Government and not it's people. I think it’s laughable that ppl actually think Europeans stand or sit about even talking about the U.K. never mind laughing at us as if they don’t have there own shit going on lol I’m sure too- hot will be back on soon woth a story of when he was sat in a bar in Spain and overheard some Europeans talking and laughing how stupid the brits are over leaving lol
Not so much Europeans but certainly my American colleagues and Associates are truly mystified. Please don’t be surprised or think it ridiculous that I talk to my colleagues, partners, associates and customers. "
it was a silly joke bud and tell your American friends we in the U.K. are just as mystified by what’s going on in the US I’m sure there are as fed up as us in the U.K. lol |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"When ppl say we are the laughing stock of Europe what does that actually mean lol
Rightly or wrongly Britain is seen as a rather arrogant country, from a European perspective. Maybe to do with the history of the Empire. I don’t know.
So when it appears that our arrogance gets the better of us, for example voting to leave the EU and the ensuing fall out and infighting amongst the politicians. They laugh at us when talking about us as a nation.
This on top of the general ease with which people were fooled/coerced/scared into voting against their own interests. Makes us a laughing stock.
I personally don’t care if we are a laughingstock. National stereotypes are for people who are small minded. Americans get a lot of shit abroad since they voted in Trump. But the average American who travels abroad is unlikely to be a Trump supporter. So labelling them all as stupid isn’t helpful.
I think any reference to the UK being a laughing stock is directed at our Government and not it's people. I think it’s laughable that ppl actually think Europeans stand or sit about even talking about the U.K. never mind laughing at us as if they don’t have there own shit going on lol I’m sure too- hot will be back on soon woth a story of when he was sat in a bar in Spain and overheard some Europeans talking and laughing how stupid the brits are over leaving lol"
I work with a lot of Europeans and some Chinese here who speak to their friends and family who understand not liking some aspects of the EU but don't understand why we'd leave.
I have colleagues in the EU, USA and India who ask the same thing.
Remember that other Europeans are only worried about external immigration (and gypsies, but that's a long-time prejudice). They don't understand what we're so upset about.
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"When ppl say we are the laughing stock of Europe what does that actually mean lol
Rightly or wrongly Britain is seen as a rather arrogant country, from a European perspective. Maybe to do with the history of the Empire. I don’t know.
So when it appears that our arrogance gets the better of us, for example voting to leave the EU and the ensuing fall out and infighting amongst the politicians. They laugh at us when talking about us as a nation.
This on top of the general ease with which people were fooled/coerced/scared into voting against their own interests. Makes us a laughing stock.
I personally don’t care if we are a laughingstock. National stereotypes are for people who are small minded. Americans get a lot of shit abroad since they voted in Trump. But the average American who travels abroad is unlikely to be a Trump supporter. So labelling them all as stupid isn’t helpful.
I think any reference to the UK being a laughing stock is directed at our Government and not it's people. I think it’s laughable that ppl actually think Europeans stand or sit about even talking about the U.K. never mind laughing at us as if they don’t have there own shit going on lol I’m sure too- hot will be back on soon woth a story of when he was sat in a bar in Spain and overheard some Europeans talking and laughing how stupid the brits are over leaving lol"
My friends from EU countries have enjoying laughing at us, poking fun, posting memes making fun of us since the day of the referendum |
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"When ppl say we are the laughing stock of Europe what does that actually mean lol
Rightly or wrongly Britain is seen as a rather arrogant country, from a European perspective. Maybe to do with the history of the Empire. I don’t know.
So when it appears that our arrogance gets the better of us, for example voting to leave the EU and the ensuing fall out and infighting amongst the politicians. They laugh at us when talking about us as a nation.
This on top of the general ease with which people were fooled/coerced/scared into voting against their own interests. Makes us a laughing stock.
I personally don’t care if we are a laughingstock. National stereotypes are for people who are small minded. Americans get a lot of shit abroad since they voted in Trump. But the average American who travels abroad is unlikely to be a Trump supporter. So labelling them all as stupid isn’t helpful.
I think any reference to the UK being a laughing stock is directed at our Government and not it's people. I think it’s laughable that ppl actually think Europeans stand or sit about even talking about the U.K. never mind laughing at us as if they don’t have there own shit going on lol I’m sure too- hot will be back on soon woth a story of when he was sat in a bar in Spain and overheard some Europeans talking and laughing how stupid the brits are over leaving lol
My friends from EU countries have enjoying laughing at us, poking fun, posting memes making fun of us since the day of the referendum "
Well it's been comical from day one .I friends and family all over Europe.The overall feeling is bemusement.. |
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It’s weird how all theses friends family colleagues customers from all theses diffrent country’s in Europe and the USA all have the same beliefs and opinions as you remianers it’s a bit suss don’t yas think lol not a single one who thinks the U.K. are doing the right thing ffs it’s a great poll guys |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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" I think it’s laughable that ppl actually think Europeans stand or sit about even talking about the U.K. never mind laughing at us as if they don’t have there own shit going on lol I’m sure too- hot will be back on soon woth a story of when he was sat in a bar in Spain and overheard some Europeans talking and laughing how stupid the brits are over leaving lol"
i think the brits in the bar in spain are probably at the moment talking about how the NHS have now confirmed that as of march 30th they are no longer covering the health charges for those living in france and spain.... but thats by the by....
if we on here on the 1st page have topics about ireland, and the US, and Venezuela... why would they for example not talk about us?
all the european people i have spoken to are baffled as to why we want to leave when we probably have the best bespoked deal as it is... we have already ducked out of all the things we want such as schengen and the euro for example |
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" I think it’s laughable that ppl actually think Europeans stand or sit about even talking about the U.K. never mind laughing at us as if they don’t have there own shit going on lol I’m sure too- hot will be back on soon woth a story of when he was sat in a bar in Spain and overheard some Europeans talking and laughing how stupid the brits are over leaving lol
i think the brits in the bar in spain are probably at the moment talking about how the NHS have now confirmed that as of march 30th they are no longer covering the health charges for those living in france and spain.... but thats by the by....
if we on here on the 1st page have topics about ireland, and the US, and Venezuela... why would they for example not talk about us?
all the european people i have spoken to are baffled as to why we want to leave when we probably have the best bespoked deal as it is... we have already ducked out of all the things we want such as schengen and the euro for example"
here we go again good old Fabio alllllll the Europeans lol |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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Yes, new advice on the UK Gov website advising UK migrants in the EU to obtain private healthcare insurance from March 30.
Similarly, holiday-makers from the UK are being warned that the European Health Insurance Card is no longer valid, so travellers need to take out health insurance when leaving these shores.
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"It’s weird how all theses friends family colleagues customers from all theses diffrent country’s in Europe and the USA all have the same beliefs and opinions as you remianers it’s a bit suss don’t yas think lol not a single one who thinks the U.K. are doing the right thing ffs it’s a great poll guys "
Hold on, you asked a question, we answered it and now your lashing out.
Also, I think the “not a single one who thinks the uk are doing the right thing”. Your conclusion is we must be lying, not, shit the uk is doing something stupid here.
And also also, no one claimed everyone outside of uk thinks it’s the wrong thing to do. I’m my case my friends are people I’ve worked with, who are of a similar level of education and similar age group. Which is a demographic that overwhelmingly voted remain. |
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"It’s weird how all theses friends family colleagues customers from all theses diffrent country’s in Europe and the USA all have the same beliefs and opinions as you remianers it’s a bit suss don’t yas think lol not a single one who thinks the U.K. are doing the right thing ffs it’s a great poll guys
Hold on, you asked a question, we answered it and now your lashing out.
Also, I think the “not a single one who thinks the uk are doing the right thing”. Your conclusion is we must be lying, not, shit the uk is doing something stupid here.
And also also, no one claimed everyone outside of uk thinks it’s the wrong thing to do. I’m my case my friends are people I’ve worked with, who are of a similar level of education and similar age group. Which is a demographic that overwhelmingly voted remain. "
wow lashing out calm down Davey boy it’s just a bit of crack lol |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"When ppl say we are the laughing stock of Europe what does that actually mean lol
Rightly or wrongly Britain is seen as a rather arrogant country, from a European perspective. Maybe to do with the history of the Empire. I don’t know.
So when it appears that our arrogance gets the better of us, for example voting to leave the EU and the ensuing fall out and infighting amongst the politicians. They laugh at us when talking about us as a nation.
This on top of the general ease with which people were fooled/coerced/scared into voting against their own interests. Makes us a laughing stock.
I personally don’t care if we are a laughingstock. National stereotypes are for people who are small minded. Americans get a lot of shit abroad since they voted in Trump. But the average American who travels abroad is unlikely to be a Trump supporter. So labelling them all as stupid isn’t helpful.
I think any reference to the UK being a laughing stock is directed at our Government and not it's people. I think it’s laughable that ppl actually think Europeans stand or sit about even talking about the U.K. never mind laughing at us as if they don’t have there own shit going on lol I’m sure too- hot will be back on soon woth a story of when he was sat in a bar in Spain and overheard some Europeans talking and laughing how stupid the brits are over leaving lol
Not so much Europeans but certainly my American colleagues and Associates are truly mystified. Please don’t be surprised or think it ridiculous that I talk to my colleagues, partners, associates and customers. it was a silly joke bud and tell your American friends we in the U.K. are just as mystified by what’s going on in the US I’m sure there are as fed up as us in the U.K. lol"
Oh we talk about that too and to be honest there are a lot of similarities in the populist vote that led to Brexit and the populist vote that lead to Trump.
A couple of Attorney friends of mine have a theory that is as valid to Brexit as it is to Trump and that is that for any kind of new movement there is always going to be some core support but what core support needs to creat a victory is a large demographic to jump on the train. Their opinion in the US is that declining education standards has equates to the prevalence of the internet and whole swathes of Americans have become experts in their chosen fields through their own use of the internet. The difference however between conventionally educated “experts” and internet “experts” is that conventionally educated experts are faced with adversarial debate and challenges to their opinion and so have to consider and refute with detailed argument any counter-argument to their theories. Internet experts only learn what they choose to learn and far from have to counter-argue they have the ability to filter out any kind of dissent or contrary opinion to their bubble of expertise.
The argument then is that millions of poorly conventionally educated people have educated themselves via the internet on the things that they think are important and (by the power of the internet) have been able to exist in their bubble of expertise unchallenged. It is this very demographic that team Trump (and possible the Leave campaign here) tapped into.
The correlating arguments are compelling on both sides of the Atlantic.
The support for Trump and Brexit in the base is religious like in its commitment.
Details and counter-argument are brushed aside as irrelevancies
Criticism of the cause is often taken as a personal insult. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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all the european people i have spoken to .... (Fabio - actual words)
here we go again good old Fabio alllllll the Europeans lol"
Above is a fairly typical Brexit response to a perceived slight. Total misrepresentation of what was said. |
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"coopers amendment kicked out .
31 Labour MPs didn't support the Cooper Amendment, despite being instructed to by the Labour front bench
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Fiona Onasanya couldn't vote on it because she's currently doing a 3 month stretch behind bars. Lmao! |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"coopers amendment kicked out .
31 Labour MPs didn't support the Cooper Amendment, despite being instructed to by the Labour front bench
Fiona Onasanya couldn't vote on it because she's currently doing a 3 month stretch behind bars. Lmao! "
She's not a Labour MP. |
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"Yes, new advice on the UK Gov website advising UK migrants in the EU to obtain private healthcare insurance from March 30.
Similarly, holiday-makers from the UK are being warned that the European Health Insurance Card is no longer valid, so travellers need to take out health insurance when leaving these shores.
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I've been having holidays abroad for 20 years or so, I always take out private health insurance before going abroad, this is not going to be anything new to lots of people. |
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"coopers amendment kicked out .
31 Labour MPs didn't support the Cooper Amendment, despite being instructed to by the Labour front bench
Fiona Onasanya couldn't vote on it because she's currently doing a 3 month stretch behind bars. Lmao!
She's not a Labour MP."
She's thinks she is as she didn't resign. I wonder if the dumb bint realises the Labour party have kicked her out? |
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"It’s weird how all theses friends family colleagues customers from all theses diffrent country’s in Europe and the USA all have the same beliefs and opinions as you remianers it’s a bit suss don’t yas think lol not a single one who thinks the U.K. are doing the right thing ffs it’s a great poll guys "
It's because many of the remainers in here appear to be living in their own Internet bubble or only socialising in groups of people with a similar mindset to them. You only have to look at what is happening all over the European continent with each passing election to see there is a growing movement of Europeans from all nations that want out of the EU. Just look at coverage of the yellow vest protests in France that are happening every weekend, many of them have Frexit written on the back of their yellow vests. Far from laughing at us a lot of Eurosceptic Europeans all over mainland Europe are envious of Brits that we are leaving the EU. |
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"When ppl say we are the laughing stock of Europe what does that actually mean lol
Rightly or wrongly Britain is seen as a rather arrogant country, from a European perspective. Maybe to do with the history of the Empire. I don’t know.
So when it appears that our arrogance gets the better of us, for example voting to leave the EU and the ensuing fall out and infighting amongst the politicians. They laugh at us when talking about us as a nation.
This on top of the general ease with which people were fooled/coerced/scared into voting against their own interests. Makes us a laughing stock.
I personally don’t care if we are a laughingstock. National stereotypes are for people who are small minded. Americans get a lot of shit abroad since they voted in Trump. But the average American who travels abroad is unlikely to be a Trump supporter. So labelling them all as stupid isn’t helpful.
I think any reference to the UK being a laughing stock is directed at our Government and not it's people. I think it’s laughable that ppl actually think Europeans stand or sit about even talking about the U.K. never mind laughing at us as if they don’t have there own shit going on lol I’m sure too- hot will be back on soon woth a story of when he was sat in a bar in Spain and overheard some Europeans talking and laughing how stupid the brits are over leaving lol
Not so much Europeans but certainly my American colleagues and Associates are truly mystified. Please don’t be surprised or think it ridiculous that I talk to my colleagues, partners, associates and customers. it was a silly joke bud and tell your American friends we in the U.K. are just as mystified by what’s going on in the US I’m sure there are as fed up as us in the U.K. lol
Oh we talk about that too and to be honest there are a lot of similarities in the populist vote that led to Brexit and the populist vote that lead to Trump.
A couple of Attorney friends of mine have a theory that is as valid to Brexit as it is to Trump and that is that for any kind of new movement there is always going to be some core support but what core support needs to creat a victory is a large demographic to jump on the train. Their opinion in the US is that declining education standards has equates to the prevalence of the internet and whole swathes of Americans have become experts in their chosen fields through their own use of the internet. The difference however between conventionally educated “experts” and internet “experts” is that conventionally educated experts are faced with adversarial debate and challenges to their opinion and so have to consider and refute with detailed argument any counter-argument to their theories. Internet experts only learn what they choose to learn and far from have to counter-argue they have the ability to filter out any kind of dissent or contrary opinion to their bubble of expertise.
The argument then is that millions of poorly conventionally educated people have educated themselves via the internet on the things that they think are important and (by the power of the internet) have been able to exist in their bubble of expertise unchallenged. It is this very demographic that team Trump (and possible the Leave campaign here) tapped into.
The correlating arguments are compelling on both sides of the Atlantic.
The support for Trump and Brexit in the base is religious like in its commitment.
Details and counter-argument are brushed aside as irrelevancies
Criticism of the cause is often taken as a personal insult."
too-hot you’ve just posted a great post very well said the last part at the bottom was bit rich tho coming from you as I remember you calling leave voters traitors and racists |
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"It’s weird how all theses friends family colleagues customers from all theses diffrent country’s in Europe and the USA all have the same beliefs and opinions as you remianers it’s a bit suss don’t yas think lol not a single one who thinks the U.K. are doing the right thing ffs it’s a great poll guys
It's because many of the remainers in here appear to be living in their own Internet bubble or only socialising in groups of people with a similar mindset to them. You only have to look at what is happening all over the European continent with each passing election to see there is a growing movement of Europeans from all nations that want out of the EU. Just look at coverage of the yellow vest protests in France that are happening every weekend, many of them have Frexit written on the back of their yellow vests. Far from laughing at us a lot of Eurosceptic Europeans all over mainland Europe are envious of Brits that we are leaving the EU. "
Foxychick35, serious question. Are you comfortable being on the same side and included in the bonkers things that this character posts up on here?
I’m convinced he’s playing a character to troll everyone. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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He is a caricature of Brexit.
Make something up, repeat.
When shown to be false . . .
Make something new up, repeat.
When shown to be false . . .
Make something new up, repeat.
When shown to be false . . .
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"It’s weird how all theses friends family colleagues customers from all theses diffrent country’s in Europe and the USA all have the same beliefs and opinions as you remianers it’s a bit suss don’t yas think lol not a single one who thinks the U.K. are doing the right thing ffs it’s a great poll guys
It's because many of the remainers in here appear to be living in their own Internet bubble or only socialising in groups of people with a similar mindset to them. You only have to look at what is happening all over the European continent with each passing election to see there is a growing movement of Europeans from all nations that want out of the EU. Just look at coverage of the yellow vest protests in France that are happening every weekend, many of them have Frexit written on the back of their yellow vests. Far from laughing at us a lot of Eurosceptic Europeans all over mainland Europe are envious of Brits that we are leaving the EU.
Foxychick35, serious question. Are you comfortable being on the same side and included in the bonkers things that this character posts up on here?
I’m convinced he’s playing a character to troll everyone. "
What bonkers things have I posted then Dave? Can you be specific? As you quoted my previous post what was bonkers in what I said there in your opinion?
Or are you just playing a character to troll leave voters and Brexit supporters? |
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"He is a caricature of Brexit.
Make something up, repeat.
When shown to be false . . .
Make something new up, repeat.
When shown to be false . . .
Make something new up, repeat.
When shown to be false . . .
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And yet you can't name anything specific. Astonishing really.
What have I 'made up'?
What have you 'shown to be false'?
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"It’s weird how all theses friends family colleagues customers from all theses diffrent country’s in Europe and the USA all have the same beliefs and opinions as you remianers it’s a bit suss don’t yas think lol not a single one who thinks the U.K. are doing the right thing ffs it’s a great poll guys
It's because many of the remainers in here appear to be living in their own Internet bubble or only socialising in groups of people with a similar mindset to them. You only have to look at what is happening all over the European continent with each passing election to see there is a growing movement of Europeans from all nations that want out of the EU. Just look at coverage of the yellow vest protests in France that are happening every weekend, many of them have Frexit written on the back of their yellow vests. Far from laughing at us a lot of Eurosceptic Europeans all over mainland Europe are envious of Brits that we are leaving the EU.
Foxychick35, serious question. Are you comfortable being on the same side and included in the bonkers things that this character posts up on here?
I’m convinced he’s playing a character to troll everyone.
What bonkers things have I posted then Dave? Can you be specific? As you quoted my previous post what was bonkers in what I said there in your opinion?
Or are you just playing a character to troll leave voters and Brexit supporters? "
Haha touché! I don’t believe you’ll break character so I’m not out to try to prove anything. But your above post basically says.
A is half true. So B must be true, so C must be true so therefor “Europeans all over mainland Europe are envious of Brits that we are leaving the EU. ”
It’s classic Daily Express style false reasoning. I wouldn’t be surprised if that news paper was the source of your weird, misinformed posts. |
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"It’s weird how all theses friends family colleagues customers from all theses diffrent country’s in Europe and the USA all have the same beliefs and opinions as you remianers it’s a bit suss don’t yas think lol not a single one who thinks the U.K. are doing the right thing ffs it’s a great poll guys
It's because many of the remainers in here appear to be living in their own Internet bubble or only socialising in groups of people with a similar mindset to them. You only have to look at what is happening all over the European continent with each passing election to see there is a growing movement of Europeans from all nations that want out of the EU. Just look at coverage of the yellow vest protests in France that are happening every weekend, many of them have Frexit written on the back of their yellow vests. Far from laughing at us a lot of Eurosceptic Europeans all over mainland Europe are envious of Brits that we are leaving the EU.
Foxychick35, serious question. Are you comfortable being on the same side and included in the bonkers things that this character posts up on here?
I’m convinced he’s playing a character to troll everyone. "
i agree with some of the things in his post above yes I agree woth some things remianers say aswell I’m a labour supporter but don’t agree woth Corbyn but that’s life I don’t pretend to only have family friends work mates who only have the same political beliefs as myself and I wouldn’t want to tbh woth you I cudnt tell you how any of them feel because if I spoke to them about politics they wouldn’t be my friends for long my life really isn’t that boreing lol can I as you Davey what do you find wrong in the post that your referring to ? |
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"He is a caricature of Brexit.
Make something up, repeat.
When shown to be false . . .
Make something new up, repeat.
When shown to be false . . .
Make something new up, repeat.
When shown to be false . . .
And yet you can't name anything specific. Astonishing really.
What have I 'made up'?
What have you 'shown to be false'?
"
In fairness you do get proven wrong at every turn. And your tactic is usually to change the argument to something vaguely related or say “what about Corbyn he’s a dick too to hates Jews”. I’m paraphrasing here of course. |
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"It’s weird how all theses friends family colleagues customers from all theses diffrent country’s in Europe and the USA all have the same beliefs and opinions as you remianers it’s a bit suss don’t yas think lol not a single one who thinks the U.K. are doing the right thing ffs it’s a great poll guys
It's because many of the remainers in here appear to be living in their own Internet bubble or only socialising in groups of people with a similar mindset to them. You only have to look at what is happening all over the European continent with each passing election to see there is a growing movement of Europeans from all nations that want out of the EU. Just look at coverage of the yellow vest protests in France that are happening every weekend, many of them have Frexit written on the back of their yellow vests. Far from laughing at us a lot of Eurosceptic Europeans all over mainland Europe are envious of Brits that we are leaving the EU.
Foxychick35, serious question. Are you comfortable being on the same side and included in the bonkers things that this character posts up on here?
I’m convinced he’s playing a character to troll everyone. i agree with some of the things in his post above yes I agree woth some things remianers say aswell I’m a labour supporter but don’t agree woth Corbyn but that’s life I don’t pretend to only have family friends work mates who only have the same political beliefs as myself and I wouldn’t want to tbh woth you I cudnt tell you how any of them feel because if I spoke to them about politics they wouldn’t be my friends for long my life really isn’t that boreing lol can I as you Davey what do you find wrong in the post that your referring to ?"
See above. I’m not having a pop at you. Your posts, the ones I see, are far more reasonable. The Centaur character posts things that are just too outlandish to be someone’s real opinion.
I know three people who voted leave (at least that I know of). One because the EU funding of the wall in Turkey, this person wants more refugees to be allowed in from countries that we contributed to their situation. IE, Syria, Iraq etc. One voted because they hate the Tories and wanted to see them self implode. And one because they had (and still have) little to know understanding of the EU and of the impact of leaving.
My work place has to have meetings how to deal with the impact of Brexit, as we are in a sector that is being badly effected. So not many people where I work are leavers. |
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"It’s weird how all theses friends family colleagues customers from all theses diffrent country’s in Europe and the USA all have the same beliefs and opinions as you remianers it’s a bit suss don’t yas think lol not a single one who thinks the U.K. are doing the right thing ffs it’s a great poll guys
It's because many of the remainers in here appear to be living in their own Internet bubble or only socialising in groups of people with a similar mindset to them. You only have to look at what is happening all over the European continent with each passing election to see there is a growing movement of Europeans from all nations that want out of the EU. Just look at coverage of the yellow vest protests in France that are happening every weekend, many of them have Frexit written on the back of their yellow vests. Far from laughing at us a lot of Eurosceptic Europeans all over mainland Europe are envious of Brits that we are leaving the EU.
Foxychick35, serious question. Are you comfortable being on the same side and included in the bonkers things that this character posts up on here?
I’m convinced he’s playing a character to troll everyone.
What bonkers things have I posted then Dave? Can you be specific? As you quoted my previous post what was bonkers in what I said there in your opinion?
Or are you just playing a character to troll leave voters and Brexit supporters?
Haha touché! I don’t believe you’ll break character so I’m not out to try to prove anything. But your above post basically says.
A is half true. So B must be true, so C must be true so therefor “Europeans all over mainland Europe are envious of Brits that we are leaving the EU. ”
It’s classic Daily Express style false reasoning. I wouldn’t be surprised if that news paper was the source of your weird, misinformed posts. "
That wasn't what I said though Dave and you've misquoted me. What I actually said was "a lot of Eurosceptic Europeans all over mainland Europe are envious of Brits". "A lot" is very different to "all".
Marine Le Pen came 2nd in the France Presidential election to Macron so she represents the view of many French people. She said in a speech in the European Parliament not long after the Brexit vote that she admired the UK for being the first country to have the audacity to vote to Leave the EU. |
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"He is a caricature of Brexit.
Make something up, repeat.
When shown to be false . . .
Make something new up, repeat.
When shown to be false . . .
Make something new up, repeat.
When shown to be false . . .
And yet you can't name anything specific. Astonishing really.
What have I 'made up'?
What have you 'shown to be false'?
In fairness you do get proven wrong at every turn. And your tactic is usually to change the argument to something vaguely related or say “what about Corbyn he’s a dick too to hates Jews”. I’m paraphrasing here of course."
And still nothing specific. |
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"It’s weird how all theses friends family colleagues customers from all theses diffrent country’s in Europe and the USA all have the same beliefs and opinions as you remianers it’s a bit suss don’t yas think lol not a single one who thinks the U.K. are doing the right thing ffs it’s a great poll guys
It's because many of the remainers in here appear to be living in their own Internet bubble or only socialising in groups of people with a similar mindset to them. You only have to look at what is happening all over the European continent with each passing election to see there is a growing movement of Europeans from all nations that want out of the EU. Just look at coverage of the yellow vest protests in France that are happening every weekend, many of them have Frexit written on the back of their yellow vests. Far from laughing at us a lot of Eurosceptic Europeans all over mainland Europe are envious of Brits that we are leaving the EU.
Foxychick35, serious question. Are you comfortable being on the same side and included in the bonkers things that this character posts up on here?
I’m convinced he’s playing a character to troll everyone. i agree with some of the things in his post above yes I agree woth some things remianers say aswell I’m a labour supporter but don’t agree woth Corbyn but that’s life I don’t pretend to only have family friends work mates who only have the same political beliefs as myself and I wouldn’t want to tbh woth you I cudnt tell you how any of them feel because if I spoke to them about politics they wouldn’t be my friends for long my life really isn’t that boreing lol can I as you Davey what do you find wrong in the post that your referring to ?
See above. I’m not having a pop at you. Your posts, the ones I see, are far more reasonable. The Centaur character posts things that are just too outlandish to be someone’s real opinion.
I know three people who voted leave (at least that I know of). One because the EU funding of the wall in Turkey, this person wants more refugees to be allowed in from countries that we contributed to their situation. IE, Syria, Iraq etc. One voted because they hate the Tories and wanted to see them self implode. And one because they had (and still have) little to know understanding of the EU and of the impact of leaving.
My work place has to have meetings how to deal with the impact of Brexit, as we are in a sector that is being badly effected. So not many people where I work are leavers. "
So you know 3 people that voted Leave out of 17.4 million. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"He is a caricature of Brexit.
Make something up, repeat.
When shown to be false . . .
Make something new up, repeat.
When shown to be false . . .
Make something new up, repeat.
When shown to be false . . .
And yet you can't name anything specific. Astonishing really.
What have I 'made up'?
What have you 'shown to be false'?
"
oh... but i can....
the gibraltar airport thing was laughable...
you parroting the debunked WTO/GATT 10 yr thing..... moggs had to retract
you parroting the rees mogg/sun article about prices being cheaper that the sun had to retract
you like to quote minford and economist for brexit when it suits you... but never talk about the bit where he said uk manufacturing and agrifood would be decimated under his plan by his own admission
you even dared to call migration watch "independent" (spoiler... na!!!)
and there there is a who bunch of charlottesville shit we could go back and rewind to...... but there was fault on both side the right wing nut you never condoned drove ran over and killed a peaceful protester....
p.s wheres the super duper uk/us trade deal... just wondering? |
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over a year ago
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"It’s weird how all theses friends family colleagues customers from all theses diffrent country’s in Europe and the USA all have the same beliefs and opinions as you remianers it’s a bit suss don’t yas think lol not a single one who thinks the U.K. are doing the right thing ffs it’s a great poll guys
It's because many of the remainers in here appear to be living in their own Internet bubble or only socialising in groups of people with a similar mindset to them. You only have to look at what is happening all over the European continent with each passing election to see there is a growing movement of Europeans from all nations that want out of the EU. Just look at coverage of the yellow vest protests in France that are happening every weekend, many of them have Frexit written on the back of their yellow vests. Far from laughing at us a lot of Eurosceptic Europeans all over mainland Europe are envious of Brits that we are leaving the EU. "
I think most people with a strong viewpoint live in a bubble. The joy of fab is it helps get out of the echo chamber. Most of the people I know come from academia and are doing well for themselves. And so have a remain bias. My leave exposure (other than here) is from the family. My news reading tends to be the FT. Although I’m also an LBC listener.
My observation is those who post “news updates” with a leave bias tend to use the express, mail and telegraph. And have brexit YouTube channels. Remainers lean towards guardian. |
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"It’s weird how all theses friends family colleagues customers from all theses diffrent country’s in Europe and the USA all have the same beliefs and opinions as you remianers it’s a bit suss don’t yas think lol not a single one who thinks the U.K. are doing the right thing ffs it’s a great poll guys
It's because many of the remainers in here appear to be living in their own Internet bubble or only socialising in groups of people with a similar mindset to them. You only have to look at what is happening all over the European continent with each passing election to see there is a growing movement of Europeans from all nations that want out of the EU. Just look at coverage of the yellow vest protests in France that are happening every weekend, many of them have Frexit written on the back of their yellow vests. Far from laughing at us a lot of Eurosceptic Europeans all over mainland Europe are envious of Brits that we are leaving the EU.
Foxychick35, serious question. Are you comfortable being on the same side and included in the bonkers things that this character posts up on here?
I’m convinced he’s playing a character to troll everyone.
What bonkers things have I posted then Dave? Can you be specific? As you quoted my previous post what was bonkers in what I said there in your opinion?
Or are you just playing a character to troll leave voters and Brexit supporters?
Haha touché! I don’t believe you’ll break character so I’m not out to try to prove anything. But your above post basically says.
A is half true. So B must be true, so C must be true so therefor “Europeans all over mainland Europe are envious of Brits that we are leaving the EU. ”
It’s classic Daily Express style false reasoning. I wouldn’t be surprised if that news paper was the source of your weird, misinformed posts.
That wasn't what I said though Dave and you've misquoted me. What I actually said was "a lot of Eurosceptic Europeans all over mainland Europe are envious of Brits". "A lot" is very different to "all".
Marine Le Pen came 2nd in the France Presidential election to Macron so she represents the view of many French people. She said in a speech in the European Parliament not long after the Brexit vote that she admired the UK for being the first country to have the audacity to vote to Leave the EU. "
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"Yes, new advice on the UK Gov website advising UK migrants in the EU to obtain private healthcare insurance from March 30.
Similarly, holiday-makers from the UK are being warned that the European Health Insurance Card is no longer valid, so travellers need to take out health insurance when leaving these shores.
I've been having holidays abroad for 20 years or so, I always take out private health insurance before going abroad, this is not going to be anything new to lots of people. "
I've never ever relied on the EHIC card and always had very good private travel insurance. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"When ppl say we are the laughing stock of Europe what does that actually mean lol
Rightly or wrongly Britain is seen as a rather arrogant country, from a European perspective. Maybe to do with the history of the Empire. I don’t know.
So when it appears that our arrogance gets the better of us, for example voting to leave the EU and the ensuing fall out and infighting amongst the politicians. They laugh at us when talking about us as a nation.
This on top of the general ease with which people were fooled/coerced/scared into voting against their own interests. Makes us a laughing stock.
I personally don’t care if we are a laughingstock. National stereotypes are for people who are small minded. Americans get a lot of shit abroad since they voted in Trump. But the average American who travels abroad is unlikely to be a Trump supporter. So labelling them all as stupid isn’t helpful.
I think any reference to the UK being a laughing stock is directed at our Government and not it's people. I think it’s laughable that ppl actually think Europeans stand or sit about even talking about the U.K. never mind laughing at us as if they don’t have there own shit going on lol I’m sure too- hot will be back on soon woth a story of when he was sat in a bar in Spain and overheard some Europeans talking and laughing how stupid the brits are over leaving lol
Not so much Europeans but certainly my American colleagues and Associates are truly mystified. Please don’t be surprised or think it ridiculous that I talk to my colleagues, partners, associates and customers. it was a silly joke bud and tell your American friends we in the U.K. are just as mystified by what’s going on in the US I’m sure there are as fed up as us in the U.K. lol"
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"He is a caricature of Brexit.
Make something up, repeat.
When shown to be false . . .
Make something new up, repeat.
When shown to be false . . .
Make something new up, repeat.
When shown to be false . . .
And yet you can't name anything specific. Astonishing really.
What have I 'made up'?
What have you 'shown to be false'?
oh... but i can....
the gibraltar airport thing was laughable...
you parroting the debunked WTO/GATT 10 yr thing..... moggs had to retract
you parroting the rees mogg/sun article about prices being cheaper that the sun had to retract
you like to quote minford and economist for brexit when it suits you... but never talk about the bit where he said uk manufacturing and agrifood would be decimated under his plan by his own admission
you even dared to call migration watch "independent" (spoiler... na!!!)
and there there is a who bunch of charlottesville shit we could go back and rewind to...... but there was fault on both side the right wing nut you never condoned drove ran over and killed a peaceful protester....
p.s wheres the super duper uk/us trade deal... just wondering? "
All the things you just highlighted have been refuted.
The Gibraltar thing is not laughable. What is laughable is scaremongers like you Fabio were saying all planes would be grounded (that's now been proved false after the EU released its own no deal planning papers). As Gibraltar is a UK territory planes will be able to fly from Britain to somewhere like Spain or Portugal for example and then onto Gibraltar if they so wished. That's not laughable, that's just a statement of fact.
Mogg has not retracted the WTO 10 year exemption on border controls. Those are the WTO rules while a free trade agreement is being negotiated.
Mogg has not retracted the statement about prices being cheaper after Brexit, he made the case for it again at a recent Leave means Leave campaign rally, as outside the EU, we can reduce tariffs with the rest of the world beyond the borders of the EU's external tariff barrier (otherwise known as the EU's protection racket).
You constantly refer to Minford, as though he is a lone isolated figure, the reality is he's not, he's part of a group of economist's (plural) called the economists for free trade group. Other economists outside of the economists for free trade group also support Brexit such as former governor of the Bank of England Mervyn King, and Mark Littlewood of the Institute for economic affairs. Independent economist Steve Keen has also been highly critical of the Euro zone economic model. Even one of the chief economists at Germany's biggest bank has said the UK will thrive outside of the EU.
Migration watch is an independent body, true as stated on Google and it's own website.
Charlottesville again
You say I never condemned the nut who ran over a protestor, but I clearly condemned both sides (both sides means condemning the killer who ran over the protestor as well as the vigilante mob who turned up as part of Antifa carrying weapons who were intent on causing trouble and who went there looking for trouble).
Suggest you look up the meaning of the word 'both' in the dictionary.
Your last point 'where is the UK/USA trade deal?' Well if you understood EU rules you'd know we don't leave the EU until 29th March because article 50 lasts 2 years and we're still a full member of the EU until then. As a full member of the EU we can't sign our own trade deals with other countries. We can't sign a uk/USA trade deal until we've fully left the EU and the customs union. Theresa May's deal will keep the UK in the customs union for at least 2 years after 29th March called the transition period so we still won't be able to sign a uk/USA trade deal until the transition period expires. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"When ppl say we are the laughing stock of Europe what does that actually mean lol
Rightly or wrongly Britain is seen as a rather arrogant country, from a European perspective. Maybe to do with the history of the Empire. I don’t know.
So when it appears that our arrogance gets the better of us, for example voting to leave the EU and the ensuing fall out and infighting amongst the politicians. They laugh at us when talking about us as a nation.
This on top of the general ease with which people were fooled/coerced/scared into voting against their own interests. Makes us a laughing stock.
I personally don’t care if we are a laughingstock. National stereotypes are for people who are small minded. Americans get a lot of shit abroad since they voted in Trump. But the average American who travels abroad is unlikely to be a Trump supporter. So labelling them all as stupid isn’t helpful.
I think any reference to the UK being a laughing stock is directed at our Government and not it's people. I think it’s laughable that ppl actually think Europeans stand or sit about even talking about the U.K. never mind laughing at us as if they don’t have there own shit going on lol I’m sure too- hot will be back on soon woth a story of when he was sat in a bar in Spain and overheard some Europeans talking and laughing how stupid the brits are over leaving lol
Not so much Europeans but certainly my American colleagues and Associates are truly mystified. Please don’t be surprised or think it ridiculous that I talk to my colleagues, partners, associates and customers. it was a silly joke bud and tell your American friends we in the U.K. are just as mystified by what’s going on in the US I’m sure there are as fed up as us in the U.K. lol
Oh we talk about that too and to be honest there are a lot of similarities in the populist vote that led to Brexit and the populist vote that lead to Trump.
A couple of Attorney friends of mine have a theory that is as valid to Brexit as it is to Trump and that is that for any kind of new movement there is always going to be some core support but what core support needs to creat a victory is a large demographic to jump on the train. Their opinion in the US is that declining education standards has equates to the prevalence of the internet and whole swathes of Americans have become experts in their chosen fields through their own use of the internet. The difference however between conventionally educated “experts” and internet “experts” is that conventionally educated experts are faced with adversarial debate and challenges to their opinion and so have to consider and refute with detailed argument any counter-argument to their theories. Internet experts only learn what they choose to learn and far from have to counter-argue they have the ability to filter out any kind of dissent or contrary opinion to their bubble of expertise.
The argument then is that millions of poorly conventionally educated people have educated themselves via the internet on the things that they think are important and (by the power of the internet) have been able to exist in their bubble of expertise unchallenged. It is this very demographic that team Trump (and possible the Leave campaign here) tapped into.
The correlating arguments are compelling on both sides of the Atlantic.
The support for Trump and Brexit in the base is religious like in its commitment.
Details and counter-argument are brushed aside as irrelevancies
Criticism of the cause is often taken as a personal insult.too-hot you’ve just posted a great post very well said the last part at the bottom was bit rich tho coming from you as I remember you calling leave voters traitors and racists "
You have done it again... Completely misrepresented what was actually said.
Traitors. Remainers have long been referred to as traitors and enemies of the state for showing alleigance to the (sic) enemy EU. I simply stated that whilst most Remainers motivation was to protect the economic interests of the U.K., many Leavers were actively encouraging and promoting a plan of action that was manifestly not in the financial interest of the U.K. and therefore it was these Leavers who ought to be viewed as traitors for actively promoting a path that is not in the National interest.
Racists. To say that ALL racists voted for Brexit is probably true +/-1% and this is what I said, but this is very different to saying that all Leavers are racist which I have never said. Despite it being fairly well accepted that immigration and the “foreigner” issue was a high motivation factor for many Leave voters.
I stand by everything that I said and I never said that all Leavers are traitors and racists, because they are not. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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Nowhere, not once, have I seen anyone provide an example of what trade it is the UK will be able to do better outside of the single market.
Not a single example.
The UK's trade with the rest of the world currently benefits from some 70 preferential arrangements agreed between the EU and countries and blocs around the world.
Those no longer apply from March.
Can anyone tell me:
a) How those agreements disadvantage the UK
b) The specific benefits that will accrue to the UK from scrapping those agreements and replacing with something as yet undefined.
And please, no platitudes - I mean specific examples in specific sectors, of how a $3tn economy will get better terms than a $20tn economy.
Will the US lift their ban on haggis imports, for example?
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Wouldn't being out of the eu benefit the uk as any trade we strick it would mean any disposal money made after the regular service paid etc. We wouldn't have to pay a slice to the eu and this would remain in the uk. An that benefit would improve more better services. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
Not sure I understand your point.
The question I was asking, really, was which sector, which bit of industry, is going to flourish under an independent UK policy in a way that it is presently prevented from doing so under the EU policy, and how?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"He is a caricature of Brexit.
Make something up, repeat.
When shown to be false . . .
Make something new up, repeat.
When shown to be false . . .
Make something new up, repeat.
When shown to be false . . .
And yet you can't name anything specific. Astonishing really.
What have I 'made up'?
What have you 'shown to be false'?
oh... but i can....
the gibraltar airport thing was laughable...
you parroting the debunked WTO/GATT 10 yr thing..... moggs had to retract
you parroting the rees mogg/sun article about prices being cheaper that the sun had to retract
you like to quote minford and economist for brexit when it suits you... but never talk about the bit where he said uk manufacturing and agrifood would be decimated under his plan by his own admission
you even dared to call migration watch "independent" (spoiler... na!!!)
and there there is a who bunch of charlottesville shit we could go back and rewind to...... but there was fault on both side the right wing nut you never condoned drove ran over and killed a peaceful protester....
p.s wheres the super duper uk/us trade deal... just wondering?
All the things you just highlighted have been refuted.
The Gibraltar thing is not laughable. What is laughable is scaremongers like you Fabio were saying all planes would be grounded (that's now been proved false after the EU released its own no deal planning papers). As Gibraltar is a UK territory planes will be able to fly from Britain to somewhere like Spain or Portugal for example and then onto Gibraltar if they so wished. That's not laughable, that's just a statement of fact.
Mogg has not retracted the WTO 10 year exemption on border controls. Those are the WTO rules while a free trade agreement is being negotiated.
Mogg has not retracted the statement about prices being cheaper after Brexit, he made the case for it again at a recent Leave means Leave campaign rally, as outside the EU, we can reduce tariffs with the rest of the world beyond the borders of the EU's external tariff barrier (otherwise known as the EU's protection racket).
You constantly refer to Minford, as though he is a lone isolated figure, the reality is he's not, he's part of a group of economist's (plural) called the economists for free trade group. Other economists outside of the economists for free trade group also support Brexit such as former governor of the Bank of England Mervyn King, and Mark Littlewood of the Institute for economic affairs. Independent economist Steve Keen has also been highly critical of the Euro zone economic model. Even one of the chief economists at Germany's biggest bank has said the UK will thrive outside of the EU.
Migration watch is an independent body, true as stated on Google and it's own website.
Charlottesville again
You say I never condemned the nut who ran over a protestor, but I clearly condemned both sides (both sides means condemning the killer who ran over the protestor as well as the vigilante mob who turned up as part of Antifa carrying weapons who were intent on causing trouble and who went there looking for trouble).
Suggest you look up the meaning of the word 'both' in the dictionary.
Your last point 'where is the UK/USA trade deal?' Well if you understood EU rules you'd know we don't leave the EU until 29th March because article 50 lasts 2 years and we're still a full member of the EU until then. As a full member of the EU we can't sign our own trade deals with other countries. We can't sign a uk/USA trade deal until we've fully left the EU and the customs union. Theresa May's deal will keep the UK in the customs union for at least 2 years after 29th March called the transition period so we still won't be able to sign a uk/USA trade deal until the transition period expires. "
I will bump the post on “ten year”’periods and exemptions.
But on Minford, he’s used as a shorthand for the paper he and his economists wrote. Whether it his him, or a group, Fabio is asking for comments on their conclusions and the consequences of getting a positive GBP.
I never get why the Eu is seen as a protectionalist racquet, when there are known (non EU) models out there being suggested. Norway. Turkey. Canada. Add in recent deals with Sinagapore and Japan, and EBA and it seems a lot more open border. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"Wouldn't being out of the eu benefit the uk as any trade we strick it would mean any disposal money made after the regular service paid etc. We wouldn't have to pay a slice to the eu and this would remain in the uk. An that benefit would improve more better services. "
We benefit many times more in trade - sales, manufacturing, services, associated jobs, taxes both personal and corporate that are spent on public services.
Have you looked at government spending on your tax return if not search for:
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"He is a caricature of Brexit.
Make something up, repeat.
When shown to be false . . .
Make something new up, repeat.
When shown to be false . . .
Make something new up, repeat.
When shown to be false . . .
And yet you can't name anything specific. Astonishing really.
What have I 'made up'?
What have you 'shown to be false'?
oh... but i can....
the gibraltar airport thing was laughable...
you parroting the debunked WTO/GATT 10 yr thing..... moggs had to retract
you parroting the rees mogg/sun article about prices being cheaper that the sun had to retract
you like to quote minford and economist for brexit when it suits you... but never talk about the bit where he said uk manufacturing and agrifood would be decimated under his plan by his own admission
you even dared to call migration watch "independent" (spoiler... na!!!)
and there there is a who bunch of charlottesville shit we could go back and rewind to...... but there was fault on both side the right wing nut you never condoned drove ran over and killed a peaceful protester....
p.s wheres the super duper uk/us trade deal... just wondering?
All the things you just highlighted have been refuted.
The Gibraltar thing is not laughable. What is laughable is scaremongers like you Fabio were saying all planes would be grounded (that's now been proved false after the EU released its own no deal planning papers). As Gibraltar is a UK territory planes will be able to fly from Britain to somewhere like Spain or Portugal for example and then onto Gibraltar if they so wished. That's not laughable, that's just a statement of fact.
Mogg has not retracted the WTO 10 year exemption on border controls. Those are the WTO rules while a free trade agreement is being negotiated.
Mogg has not retracted the statement about prices being cheaper after Brexit, he made the case for it again at a recent Leave means Leave campaign rally, as outside the EU, we can reduce tariffs with the rest of the world beyond the borders of the EU's external tariff barrier (otherwise known as the EU's protection racket).
You constantly refer to Minford, as though he is a lone isolated figure, the reality is he's not, he's part of a group of economist's (plural) called the economists for free trade group. Other economists outside of the economists for free trade group also support Brexit such as former governor of the Bank of England Mervyn King, and Mark Littlewood of the Institute for economic affairs. Independent economist Steve Keen has also been highly critical of the Euro zone economic model. Even one of the chief economists at Germany's biggest bank has said the UK will thrive outside of the EU.
Migration watch is an independent body, true as stated on Google and it's own website.
Charlottesville again
You say I never condemned the nut who ran over a protestor, but I clearly condemned both sides (both sides means condemning the killer who ran over the protestor as well as the vigilante mob who turned up as part of Antifa carrying weapons who were intent on causing trouble and who went there looking for trouble).
Suggest you look up the meaning of the word 'both' in the dictionary.
Your last point 'where is the UK/USA trade deal?' Well if you understood EU rules you'd know we don't leave the EU until 29th March because article 50 lasts 2 years and we're still a full member of the EU until then. As a full member of the EU we can't sign our own trade deals with other countries. We can't sign a uk/USA trade deal until we've fully left the EU and the customs union. Theresa May's deal will keep the UK in the customs union for at least 2 years after 29th March called the transition period so we still won't be able to sign a uk/USA trade deal until the transition period expires. "
10 year rule Daily Express "secret weapon" Dads Army nonesense.
No. He's wrong.
The 10 year ruling is only for the formation of a Customs Union or Free Trade Area/Agreement, and only relates to resulting tariffs, ie. it's got nothing to do with customs borders/controls.
WTO artilce 24e
See XXIV:1 = 5a, b, c
The "10 year" value is defined further down in XXIV:5 = 3.
i.e. two parties cannot form a customs union or free trade agreement which results in there being higher tariffs than there were before the agreement existed, i.e. it's the general practice and belief that the formation of a CU or FTA would result in lower tariffs being imposed than each/either parties' default WTO tariffs.
It's got nothing to do with leaving a customs union or single market.
We aren't in the Eurozone are we?
Only Migration Watch describes itself as independent
It's a limited company. It does not have to disclose its funding and refuses too.
Why's that then?
Not independent. Stop lying.
What compromise to US trade demands will we make to sign a deal? What will they want? Any idea? Do they need us more than we need them? Mythical jam tomorrow. |
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"When ppl say we are the laughing stock of Europe what does that actually mean lol
Rightly or wrongly Britain is seen as a rather arrogant country, from a European perspective. Maybe to do with the history of the Empire. I don’t know.
So when it appears that our arrogance gets the better of us, for example voting to leave the EU and the ensuing fall out and infighting amongst the politicians. They laugh at us when talking about us as a nation.
This on top of the general ease with which people were fooled/coerced/scared into voting against their own interests. Makes us a laughing stock.
I personally don’t care if we are a laughingstock. National stereotypes are for people who are small minded. Americans get a lot of shit abroad since they voted in Trump. But the average American who travels abroad is unlikely to be a Trump supporter. So labelling them all as stupid isn’t helpful.
I think any reference to the UK being a laughing stock is directed at our Government and not it's people. I think it’s laughable that ppl actually think Europeans stand or sit about even talking about the U.K. never mind laughing at us as if they don’t have there own shit going on lol I’m sure too- hot will be back on soon woth a story of when he was sat in a bar in Spain and overheard some Europeans talking and laughing how stupid the brits are over leaving lol
Not so much Europeans but certainly my American colleagues and Associates are truly mystified. Please don’t be surprised or think it ridiculous that I talk to my colleagues, partners, associates and customers. it was a silly joke bud and tell your American friends we in the U.K. are just as mystified by what’s going on in the US I’m sure there are as fed up as us in the U.K. lol
Oh we talk about that too and to be honest there are a lot of similarities in the populist vote that led to Brexit and the populist vote that lead to Trump.
A couple of Attorney friends of mine have a theory that is as valid to Brexit as it is to Trump and that is that for any kind of new movement there is always going to be some core support but what core support needs to creat a victory is a large demographic to jump on the train. Their opinion in the US is that declining education standards has equates to the prevalence of the internet and whole swathes of Americans have become experts in their chosen fields through their own use of the internet. The difference however between conventionally educated “experts” and internet “experts” is that conventionally educated experts are faced with adversarial debate and challenges to their opinion and so have to consider and refute with detailed argument any counter-argument to their theories. Internet experts only learn what they choose to learn and far from have to counter-argue they have the ability to filter out any kind of dissent or contrary opinion to their bubble of expertise.
The argument then is that millions of poorly conventionally educated people have educated themselves via the internet on the things that they think are important and (by the power of the internet) have been able to exist in their bubble of expertise unchallenged. It is this very demographic that team Trump (and possible the Leave campaign here) tapped into.
The correlating arguments are compelling on both sides of the Atlantic.
The support for Trump and Brexit in the base is religious like in its commitment.
Details and counter-argument are brushed aside as irrelevancies
Criticism of the cause is often taken as a personal insult.too-hot you’ve just posted a great post very well said the last part at the bottom was bit rich tho coming from you as I remember you calling leave voters traitors and racists
You have done it again... Completely misrepresented what was actually said.
Traitors. Remainers have long been referred to as traitors and enemies of the state for showing alleigance to the (sic) enemy EU. I simply stated that whilst most Remainers motivation was to protect the economic interests of the U.K., many Leavers were actively encouraging and promoting a plan of action that was manifestly not in the financial interest of the U.K. and therefore it was these Leavers who ought to be viewed as traitors for actively promoting a path that is not in the National interest.
Racists. To say that ALL racists voted for Brexit is probably true +/-1% and this is what I said, but this is very different to saying that all Leavers are racist which I have never said. Despite it being fairly well accepted that immigration and the “foreigner” issue was a high motivation factor for many Leave voters.
I stand by everything that I said and I never said that all Leavers are traitors and racists, because they are not."
too-hot you no I didn’t you called me personally a racist but look that was a while back so we will just leave it there as most of your posts are very well written I always take the time to read them even if I don’t agree with everything you say centy and Fabio are always toe to toe with each other both always make good points it’s what this forum is about |
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"Wouldn't being out of the eu benefit the uk as any trade we strick it would mean any disposal money made after the regular service paid etc. We wouldn't have to pay a slice to the eu and this would remain in the uk. An that benefit would improve more better services.
We benefit many times more in trade - sales, manufacturing, services, associated jobs, taxes both personal and corporate that are spent on public services.
Have you looked at government spending on your tax return if not search for:
"uk government spending chart eu statistia""
Last year out of my 4,500 pounds tax I paid 29 pound to the EU. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Yes, new advice on the UK Gov website advising UK migrants in the EU to obtain private healthcare insurance from March 30.
Similarly, holiday-makers from the UK are being warned that the European Health Insurance Card is no longer valid, so travellers need to take out health insurance when leaving these shores.
I've been having holidays abroad for 20 years or so, I always take out private health insurance before going abroad, this is not going to be anything new to lots of people. "
I wanted to come back to this because centy makes it sound like getting holiday insurance for 2 weeks every year, and having all your basic health needs covered by the nhs for all those ex-pats is the same thing
It’s not!!!!!
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"Yes, new advice on the UK Gov website advising UK migrants in the EU to obtain private healthcare insurance from March 30.
Similarly, holiday-makers from the UK are being warned that the European Health Insurance Card is no longer valid, so travellers need to take out health insurance when leaving these shores.
I've been having holidays abroad for 20 years or so, I always take out private health insurance before going abroad, this is not going to be anything new to lots of people.
I wanted to come back to this because centy makes it sound like getting holiday insurance for 2 weeks every year, and having all your basic health needs covered by the nhs for all those ex-pats is the same thing
It’s not!!!!!
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Indeed. The critical aspect of the announcement made earlier this week is that EHIC will no longer be recognised in the event of a hard Brexit.
That means that Expats will have to get long term health insurance (not travel insurance) but health insurance, like travel insurance, comes with a critical caveat.
The insurance does not cover pre-existing conditions. The people most likely to have pre-existing conditions are the 50+ age group and this will be a very big deal for them.
It is just another example of how Brexit creates barriers when they are not needed and reduces freedoms for no reason. |
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"I can’t shed a tear for them lucky gits enjoying all yr rnd sun lol"
Why are they lucky ?
I'd suggest most of them orchestrated their position and not just magically appeared ? It is bad that their rights and freedoms are being reduced as are mine , I've been planning to Express my freedom to roam in Europe and my freedom is about to be reduced |
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Apparently the EU are now suggesting that our exit could be delayed if a deal isn't agreed by the end of March.
Is nobody in the EU paying any attention?
Two days ago, MP's voted down an amendment to extend article 50.
Just seen a report about Belgian fishermen who fish solely in British waters and how worried THEY are about a No Deal brexit.
The EU commission really do need to wake up. They can did their heels in as much as they like, but it is they who are increasing the prospect of No Deal. |
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"Funny, I've just seen the same thing attributed to Jeremy Hunt - the UK will need to ask for an extension to Art 50 if no deal is agreed by early March.
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Yes, sorry. I wasn't fully paying attention.
Clearly he wasn't either |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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It's a cunning plan - run down the clock.
The Europhobes in the Tory think Brexit is slipping away and get behind her deal.
The Europhiles think we are heading for a hard exit and get behind the deal.
It's all about the Party.
It's like living in fucking China.
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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Thing is, the EU has been pretty clear about article 50.
They will agree to delay for a constitutional reason - e.g. an election or a referendum.
They won't for the sake of party politics - e.g. to give the Tories more time with their crayons and colouring-in book.
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"I think if that is the case there will be a few coming back..
No, No! We're full up, now feck off. Scroungers, com in' ere and taking our free healthcare
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"Apparently the EU are now suggesting that our exit could be delayed if a deal isn't agreed by the end of March.
Is nobody in the EU paying any attention?
Two days ago, MP's voted down an amendment to extend article 50.
Just seen a report about Belgian fishermen who fish solely in British waters and how worried THEY are about a No Deal brexit.
The EU commission really do need to wake up. They can did their heels in as much as they like, but it is they who are increasing the prospect of No Deal."
Digging their heels in?
May negotiated on behalf of the country for over two years and now because a minority in her party are playing awkward she wants to rewrite the agreement?
Might be a bit radical but don't sign up for something you may want to back out of later..
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Funny, I've just seen the same thing attributed to Jeremy Hunt - the UK will need to ask for an extension to Art 50 if no deal is agreed by early March.
Yes, sorry. I wasn't fully paying attention.
Clearly he wasn't either"
He could not of obviously... it was only in the prime time 8.10am slot on radio 4’s today programme..... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Just ask yourself this...
Why doesn't Europe want us to leave...?
Because we are the 2nd highest net contributor (of 3 net contributors overall - the other 25 are on the take)
There's going to be a massive hole in EU finances once we're gone - and they know that the whole thing is likely to fall apart from then on.
Why would it fall apart ?
OK real world facts below, EU haters look away now
Full Fact figures 2014 - 2017 EU contributions.
We "the UK" are normally the 3rd or 4th highest contributor to the EU budget.
Without our rebate the UK would be the 2nd largest contributor behind Germany.
There are 10 yes 10 countries that pay more into the EU than they receive back.
All member states pay into the EU to start with then receive EU payments / grants for projects within their own countries.
Every member state gets payments for projects by the EU.
All that will happen is each member state will receive less in grants to ballance the books. "
That is right, eu wont fall apart if uk leave, that is a common misconception. |
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