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"Have a look at this suggestion regarding Brexit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Un45y1SHqI"
Perhaps op you could summarise the perspective that is taken, as less effort than producing a youtube video, rather than it being like clickbait, in to the unknown? At least then it would support a discussion, rather than the rest of us having to view it, state what the perspective is and then make comments?  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Well, my feeling is, that once the vote was made, we should have just left. Whomever was PM was on a hiding to nothing. The EU was going to punish anyone for trying to leave, that was a given. After all, they don't want anyone else to follow suit.
Had we just said 'That's it, we're leaving' it would have been down to the EU to approach the UK for any 'deal'.
There has been scaremongering from both sides. People saying that information on terrorism won't be shared etc. Utter tosh. The EU comprises of 27 Countries. Interpol almost 200. Information will still be shared as it's in our common interest to do so. No one knows what will happen. It's all speculation. My opinion. |
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"Well, my feeling is, that once the vote was made, we should have just left. Whomever was PM was on a hiding to nothing. The EU was going to punish anyone for trying to leave, that was a given. After all, they don't want anyone else to follow suit.
Had we just said 'That's it, we're leaving' it would have been down to the EU to approach the UK for any 'deal'.
There has been scaremongering from both sides. People saying that information on terrorism won't be shared etc. Utter tosh. The EU comprises of 27 Countries. Interpol almost 200. Information will still be shared as it's in our common interest to do so. No one knows what will happen. It's all speculation. My opinion."
The just leave idea sort of falls flat on its arse when we have to try and do trade deals with other countries..
Less than trustworthy is it the best position in starting a negotiation..
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But my thoughts would be that the EU would come to us looking for that 'deal'.
The Vote was also to leave. There was no mention of voting upon a deal to leave.
If you have something to buy or sell and someone else has the product or the money to buy it, it can happen. Trade deals can be made and Countries can make agreements between each other. After all, it's what happened before the UK was a member of the EU. |
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"But my thoughts would be that the EU would come to us looking for that 'deal'.
The Vote was also to leave. There was no mention of voting upon a deal to leave.
If you have something to buy or sell and someone else has the product or the money to buy it, it can happen. Trade deals can be made and Countries can make agreements between each other. After all, it's what happened before the UK was a member of the EU. "
Before we were in the EU we were in EFTA...that was all about trade deals too |
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over a year ago
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"But my thoughts would be that the EU would come to us looking for that 'deal'. "
This is your basic error.
Some of the bullshit spouting during the referendum was around the “The EU need us more than we need them”. Which is clearly false. While the EU do want to do some trade deals with us, because we’re a reasonable sized market, they know full well that they have the upper hand and will use that to squeeze tightly and give us a shit deal. They don’t need to come to use because they know we will be on our knees begging them. Which is what is currently happening. |
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"Have a look at this suggestion regarding Brexit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Un45y1SHqI"
She knows the square root of damn all. She was Abbott's sidekick in Oz and he knows less than nothing about WTO rules. Her suggestions are a recipe for a disaster |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Well, my feeling is, that once the vote was made, we should have just left. Whomever was PM was on a hiding to nothing. The EU was going to punish anyone for trying to leave, that was a given. After all, they don't want anyone else to follow suit.
Had we just said 'That's it, we're leaving' it would have been down to the EU to approach the UK for any 'deal'.
There has been scaremongering from both sides. People saying that information on terrorism won't be shared etc. Utter tosh. The EU comprises of 27 Countries. Interpol almost 200. Information will still be shared as it's in our common interest to do so. No one knows what will happen. It's all speculation. My opinion."
Leaving without a deal was dismissed repeatedly by the Leave campaign as Project Fear and “silly”. In fact, they thought it would be agreed before we even submitted Article 50. |
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"But my thoughts would be that the EU would come to us looking for that 'deal'.
The Vote was also to leave. There was no mention of voting upon a deal to leave.
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Not looking to re-run the referendum, but that's not true. Pretty much everyone accepted you'd need to negotiate the terms of exit.
It was even on one of the official Vote Leave pamphlets, which said leaving would not be a cliff edge as it would negotiate the deal before starting proceedings go leave...
We are where we are, but we shouldn't now rewrite history to claim that every leave voter was voting for 'No Deal' as some Brexiteers are now claiming. |
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"But my thoughts would be that the EU would come to us looking for that 'deal'.
The Vote was also to leave. There was no mention of voting upon a deal to leave.
Not looking to re-run the referendum, but that's not true. Pretty much everyone accepted you'd need to negotiate the terms of exit.
It was even on one of the official Vote Leave pamphlets, which said leaving would not be a cliff edge as it would negotiate the deal before starting proceedings go leave...
We are where we are, but we shouldn't now rewrite history to claim that every leave voter was voting for 'No Deal' as some Brexiteers are now claiming."
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"But my thoughts would be that the EU would come to us looking for that 'deal'.
The Vote was also to leave. There was no mention of voting upon a deal to leave.
If you have something to buy or sell and someone else has the product or the money to buy it, it can happen. Trade deals can be made and Countries can make agreements between each other. After all, it's what happened before the UK was a member of the EU. "
The issue of what we currently have and are obliged to continue with till we negotiate other such arrangements was treated as a doddle with lots of the clichés you have used..
The reality for many areas of our lives, business etc is far more complicated and intertwined after 40 years but the ones saying how simple it would be in selling the con have shown themselves incapable of staying the course as its anything far from simple..
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"But my thoughts would be that the EU would come to us looking for that 'deal'.
The Vote was also to leave. There was no mention of voting upon a deal to leave.
If you have something to buy or sell and someone else has the product or the money to buy it, it can happen. Trade deals can be made and Countries can make agreements between each other. After all, it's what happened before the UK was a member of the EU.
The issue of what we currently have and are obliged to continue with till we negotiate other such arrangements was treated as a doddle with lots of the clichés you have used..
The reality for many areas of our lives, business etc is far more complicated and intertwined after 40 years but the ones saying how simple it would be in selling the con have shown themselves incapable of staying the course as its anything far from simple..
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
This is the greatest problem with Brexit.
People voted for something that was not defined.
So everyone says their interpretation of Brexit is what the country voted for.
Historians will have a field day with this shambles, especially once the official papers are declassified in 30 years. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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We are where we are, but we shouldn't now rewrite history to claim that every leave voter was voting for 'No Deal' as some Brexiteers are now claiming."
As if Brexiters just make shit up as they go along...
Pfffttt |
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We are where we are, but we shouldn't now rewrite history to claim that every leave voter was voting for 'No Deal' as some Brexiteers are now claiming.
As if Brexiters just make shit up as they go along...
Pfffttt"
I know. I for one am astounded every time another "alternative fact" is exposed. |
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"But my thoughts would be that the EU would come to us looking for that 'deal'.
The Vote was also to leave. There was no mention of voting upon a deal to leave.
Not looking to re-run the referendum, but that's not true. Pretty much everyone accepted you'd need to negotiate the terms of exit.
It was even on one of the official Vote Leave pamphlets, which said leaving would not be a cliff edge as it would negotiate the deal before starting proceedings go leave...
We are where we are, but we shouldn't now rewrite history to claim that every leave voter was voting for 'No Deal' as some Brexiteers are now claiming."
If you're going to take that line of thinking and hold Vote Leave to account on that promise to leave with a deal, you also have to accept the other promises Vote Leave made. Vote Leave said we must leave the single market to end free movement of people and Vote Leave said we must leave the customs union so we can strike our own trade deals around the rest of the world. On that basis any negotiated deal MUST take the UK out of the single market and out of the customs union. |
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"But my thoughts would be that the EU would come to us looking for that 'deal'.
The Vote was also to leave. There was no mention of voting upon a deal to leave.
If you have something to buy or sell and someone else has the product or the money to buy it, it can happen. Trade deals can be made and Countries can make agreements between each other. After all, it's what happened before the UK was a member of the EU.
The issue of what we currently have and are obliged to continue with till we negotiate other such arrangements was treated as a doddle with lots of the clichés you have used..
The reality for many areas of our lives, business etc is far more complicated and intertwined after 40 years but the ones saying how simple it would be in selling the con have shown themselves incapable of staying the course as its anything far from simple..
Beware snake oil salesmen"
The amazing irony is just how many working class people slowed the bullshit from the likes of Boris, Mogg etc..
The same ones who as tories have and will fuck them over time and time again. |
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"But my thoughts would be that the EU would come to us looking for that 'deal'.
The Vote was also to leave. There was no mention of voting upon a deal to leave.
If you have something to buy or sell and someone else has the product or the money to buy it, it can happen. Trade deals can be made and Countries can make agreements between each other. After all, it's what happened before the UK was a member of the EU.
The issue of what we currently have and are obliged to continue with till we negotiate other such arrangements was treated as a doddle with lots of the clichés you have used..
The reality for many areas of our lives, business etc is far more complicated and intertwined after 40 years but the ones saying how simple it would be in selling the con have shown themselves incapable of staying the course as its anything far from simple..
Beware snake oil salesmen
The amazing irony is just how many working class people slowed the bullshit from the likes of Boris, Mogg etc..
The same ones who as tories have and will fuck them over time and time again. "
You could also say it's amazing how many left leaning liberal democrat and labour remain voters swallowed the bullshit shovelled to them from the likes of Cameron, Osborne, Hammond, etc.... |
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"But my thoughts would be that the EU would come to us looking for that 'deal'.
The Vote was also to leave. There was no mention of voting upon a deal to leave.
If you have something to buy or sell and someone else has the product or the money to buy it, it can happen. Trade deals can be made and Countries can make agreements between each other. After all, it's what happened before the UK was a member of the EU.
The issue of what we currently have and are obliged to continue with till we negotiate other such arrangements was treated as a doddle with lots of the clichés you have used..
The reality for many areas of our lives, business etc is far more complicated and intertwined after 40 years but the ones saying how simple it would be in selling the con have shown themselves incapable of staying the course as its anything far from simple..
Beware snake oil salesmen
The amazing irony is just how many working class people slowed the bullshit from the likes of Boris, Mogg etc..
The same ones who as tories have and will fuck them over time and time again.
You could also say it's amazing how many left leaning liberal democrat and labour remain voters swallowed the bullshit shovelled to them from the likes of Cameron, Osborne, Hammond, etc...."
The so called bullshit that this whole pointless brexit debacle is not needed, unnecessary and will make us worse off..?
Am good acknowledging that.. |
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"But my thoughts would be that the EU would come to us looking for that 'deal'.
The Vote was also to leave. There was no mention of voting upon a deal to leave.
If you have something to buy or sell and someone else has the product or the money to buy it, it can happen. Trade deals can be made and Countries can make agreements between each other. After all, it's what happened before the UK was a member of the EU.
The issue of what we currently have and are obliged to continue with till we negotiate other such arrangements was treated as a doddle with lots of the clichés you have used..
The reality for many areas of our lives, business etc is far more complicated and intertwined after 40 years but the ones saying how simple it would be in selling the con have shown themselves incapable of staying the course as its anything far from simple..
Beware snake oil salesmen
The amazing irony is just how many working class people slowed the bullshit from the likes of Boris, Mogg etc..
The same ones who as tories have and will fuck them over time and time again.
You could also say it's amazing how many left leaning liberal democrat and labour remain voters swallowed the bullshit shovelled to them from the likes of Cameron, Osborne, Hammond, etc....
The so called bullshit that this whole pointless brexit debacle is not needed, unnecessary and will make us worse off..?
Am good acknowledging that.. "
No the bullshit Cameron, Osborne and Hammond shovelled to you about there being a deep and immediate recession following a vote to Leave, an 18% drop in house Prices, 500,000 job losses, blah, blah, blah. Project fear, Remainers swallowed it all hook line and sinker. |
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"If you believe the reason people voted Remain was because we were disciples of Cameron and his chums, well you are even more detached from reality than your previous posts suggest."
And if you and other remainers think people voted Leave solely because of things Boris and Rees-Mogg said, and that all Leave voters were Boris, Rees-Mogg disciples as suggested in an earlier post you are even more detached from reality. |
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over a year ago
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"But my thoughts would be that the EU would come to us looking for that 'deal'.
The Vote was also to leave. There was no mention of voting upon a deal to leave.
If you have something to buy or sell and someone else has the product or the money to buy it, it can happen. Trade deals can be made and Countries can make agreements between each other. After all, it's what happened before the UK was a member of the EU.
The issue of what we currently have and are obliged to continue with till we negotiate other such arrangements was treated as a doddle with lots of the clichés you have used..
The reality for many areas of our lives, business etc is far more complicated and intertwined after 40 years but the ones saying how simple it would be in selling the con have shown themselves incapable of staying the course as its anything far from simple..
Beware snake oil salesmen
The amazing irony is just how many working class people slowed the bullshit from the likes of Boris, Mogg etc..
The same ones who as tories have and will fuck them over time and time again. "
These little lords born to one day rule epitomises what's wrong ..The day we no longer have an extremely wealthy political plastic aristocracy ruling over us generation after generation is the day we will finally be a free people.
Power to the people!
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
I’m typing this on a train from Carlisle to Workington.
Copeland voted 70 per cent to Leave.
I am well aware what people here think of chancers like Rees Mogg and Johnson.
The good thing about arriving in the dark is the institutional neglect of these places isn’t so sore on the eyes.
And yes, I know the MP is Trudy Harrison. That is more to do with local personalities than party politics. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"If you believe the reason people voted Remain was because we were disciples of Cameron and his chums, well you are even more detached from reality than your previous posts suggest.
And if you and other remainers think people voted Leave solely because of things Boris and Rees-Mogg said, and that all Leave voters were Boris, Rees-Mogg disciples as suggested in an earlier post you are even more detached from reality. "
actually this made me laugh as you quotes moggsy all the time.....
twice last week you parroted moggsy on shutting down parliament... and then you quoted moggsy on his debunk 10yr WTO piffle....
you basically get all your talking points from him!!!!  |
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"If you believe the reason people voted Remain was because we were disciples of Cameron and his chums, well you are even more detached from reality than your previous posts suggest.
And if you and other remainers think people voted Leave solely because of things Boris and Rees-Mogg said, and that all Leave voters were Boris, Rees-Mogg disciples as suggested in an earlier post you are even more detached from reality. "
This may be true. But after all the years and posts on here, not one single brexiteer has managed to point out a single positive reason to leave the EU. (A non-made up reason). |
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over a year ago
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"But my thoughts would be that the EU would come to us looking for that 'deal'.
The Vote was also to leave. There was no mention of voting upon a deal to leave.
Not looking to re-run the referendum, but that's not true. Pretty much everyone accepted you'd need to negotiate the terms of exit.
It was even on one of the official Vote Leave pamphlets, which said leaving would not be a cliff edge as it would negotiate the deal before starting proceedings go leave...
We are where we are, but we shouldn't now rewrite history to claim that every leave voter was voting for 'No Deal' as some Brexiteers are now claiming.
If you're going to take that line of thinking and hold Vote Leave to account on that promise to leave with a deal, you also have to accept the other promises Vote Leave made. Vote Leave said we must leave the single market to end free movement of people and Vote Leave said we must leave the customs union so we can strike our own trade deals around the rest of the world. On that basis any negotiated deal MUST take the UK out of the single market and out of the customs union. "
Vote leave was in no place to make promises, all this ^^^ shows is they honed in on one version of leave. And give no one seems to be able to square the circle of a deal which takes us out of the single market and CU and isn’t cliff edge, it fast appears to be a promise they couldn’t deliver on even if they could have made promises. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"If you believe the reason people voted Remain was because we were disciples of Cameron and his chums, well you are even more detached from reality than your previous posts suggest.
And if you and other remainers think people voted Leave solely because of things Boris and Rees-Mogg said, and that all Leave voters were Boris, Rees-Mogg disciples as suggested in an earlier post you are even more detached from reality.
This may be true. But after all the years and posts on here, not one single brexiteer has managed to point out a single positive reason to leave the EU. (A non-made up reason)."
Rubbish you just do not want to believe the facts |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Well, my feeling is, that once the vote was made, we should have just left. Whomever was PM was on a hiding to nothing. The EU was going to punish anyone for trying to leave, that was a given. After all, they don't want anyone else to follow suit.
Had we just said 'That's it, we're leaving' it would have been down to the EU to approach the UK for any 'deal'.
There has been scaremongering from both sides. People saying that information on terrorism won't be shared etc. Utter tosh. The EU comprises of 27 Countries. Interpol almost 200. Information will still be shared as it's in our common interest to do so. No one knows what will happen. It's all speculation. My opinion.
Leaving without a deal was dismissed repeatedly by the Leave campaign as Project Fear and “silly”. In fact, they thought it would be agreed before we even submitted Article 50."
It is remainers that our forcing us to no deal.The only logic I can find in this is spite wierd |
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"Well, my feeling is, that once the vote was made, we should have just left. Whomever was PM was on a hiding to nothing. The EU was going to punish anyone for trying to leave, that was a given. After all, they don't want anyone else to follow suit.
Had we just said 'That's it, we're leaving' it would have been down to the EU to approach the UK for any 'deal'.
There has been scaremongering from both sides. People saying that information on terrorism won't be shared etc. Utter tosh. The EU comprises of 27 Countries. Interpol almost 200. Information will still be shared as it's in our common interest to do so. No one knows what will happen. It's all speculation. My opinion.
Leaving without a deal was dismissed repeatedly by the Leave campaign as Project Fear and “silly”. In fact, they thought it would be agreed before we even submitted Article 50.It is remainers that our forcing us to no deal.The only logic I can find in this is spite wierd"
Baseless twaddle.. |
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"If you believe the reason people voted Remain was because we were disciples of Cameron and his chums, well you are even more detached from reality than your previous posts suggest.
And if you and other remainers think people voted Leave solely because of things Boris and Rees-Mogg said, and that all Leave voters were Boris, Rees-Mogg disciples as suggested in an earlier post you are even more detached from reality.
This may be true. But after all the years and posts on here, not one single brexiteer has managed to point out a single positive reason to leave the EU. (A non-made up reason).Rubbish you just do not want to believe the facts"
Go on then..? |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
Lolol if you repeat it often enough you make actually start to believe it.
People who voted remain are responsible for the UK leaving the EU.
Lolololol
We have not left yet, and the excuses are coming thick and fast from those who voted for it.
Sorry love, you voted for this shambles, you own it. No use trying to palm it off on anyone else. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Lolol if you repeat it often enough you make actually start to believe it.
People who voted remain are responsible for the UK leaving the EU.
Lolololol
We have not left yet, and the excuses are coming thick and fast from those who voted for it.
Sorry love, you voted for this shambles, you own it. No use trying to palm it off on anyone else."
YOur the ones forcing a no deal gambling the idea that we might stay in that is so risky |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Whoever wrote this script is grossly under informed and poorly educated on Brexit.You know better then?"
Pretty much anyone who spends 30 minutes reading up about the situation would know better. |
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over a year ago
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"If you believe the reason people voted Remain was because we were disciples of Cameron and his chums, well you are even more detached from reality than your previous posts suggest.
And if you and other remainers think people voted Leave solely because of things Boris and Rees-Mogg said, and that all Leave voters were Boris, Rees-Mogg disciples as suggested in an earlier post you are even more detached from reality.
This may be true. But after all the years and posts on here, not one single brexiteer has managed to point out a single positive reason to leave the EU. (A non-made up reason).Rubbish you just do not want to believe the facts"
Brexiteers have been politely challenged time and time again. And no one has come up with anything. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Lolol if you repeat it often enough you make actually start to believe it.
People who voted remain are responsible for the UK leaving the EU.
Lolololol
We have not left yet, and the excuses are coming thick and fast from those who voted for it.
Sorry love, you voted for this shambles, you own it. No use trying to palm it off on anyone else.YOur the ones forcing a no deal gambling the idea that we might stay in that is so risky"
So people who want to stay in the EU are, in your mind, somehow forcing us into a worse more extreme Brexit. Classic. Even by leaver logic standards you are especially bonkers.
And you were allowed to vote!
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"Lolol if you repeat it often enough you make actually start to believe it.
People who voted remain are responsible for the UK leaving the EU.
Lolololol
We have not left yet, and the excuses are coming thick and fast from those who voted for it.
Sorry love, you voted for this shambles, you own it. No use trying to palm it off on anyone else.YOur the ones forcing a no deal gambling the idea that we might stay in that is so risky"
I’m not forcing anything on anyone. I think you are confusing me with someone who has responsibility for this. |
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"But my thoughts would be that the EU would come to us looking for that 'deal'.
The Vote was also to leave. There was no mention of voting upon a deal to leave.
If you have something to buy or sell and someone else has the product or the money to buy it, it can happen. Trade deals can be made and Countries can make agreements between each other. After all, it's what happened before the UK was a member of the EU. "
The EU have been ready with a consistent approach for the offer since we stated our intention to leave. The UK has been the problem as we started to negotiate without knowing what we wanted. That's the fault of the UK - or the conservative party - who still haven't agreed on what they want. And that's almost 3 years later!
The argument about just leaving forgets how much legal change has to happen. There are hundreds of new statutory instruments that the UK has to create before it's legally ready to leave. Perhaps those seem like little issues but they reflect just a little part of what a country has to prepare for, when making massive changes |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"If you believe the reason people voted Remain was because we were disciples of Cameron and his chums, well you are even more detached from reality than your previous posts suggest.
And if you and other remainers think people voted Leave solely because of things Boris and Rees-Mogg said, and that all Leave voters were Boris, Rees-Mogg disciples as suggested in an earlier post you are even more detached from reality. "
You really need to think up some come backs of your own instead of always using others  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Lolol if you repeat it often enough you make actually start to believe it.
People who voted remain are responsible for the UK leaving the EU.
Lolololol
We have not left yet, and the excuses are coming thick and fast from those who voted for it.
Sorry love, you voted for this shambles, you own it. No use trying to palm it off on anyone else.YOur the ones forcing a no deal gambling the idea that we might stay in that is so risky"
It's MP's from across the house that's not accepting the Brexit agreement that the Prime Minister has negotiated, not us lol |
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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago
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"If you believe the reason people voted Remain was because we were disciples of Cameron and his chums, well you are even more detached from reality than your previous posts suggest."
. As a reluctant remainer , , one of the main reasons why I was so reluctant to remain was the ramblings of Cameron during the referendum debates
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"Well, my feeling is, that once the vote was made, we should have just left. Whomever was PM was on a hiding to nothing. The EU was going to punish anyone for trying to leave, that was a given. After all, they don't want anyone else to follow suit.
Had we just said 'That's it, we're leaving' it would have been down to the EU to approach the UK for any 'deal'.
There has been scaremongering from both sides. People saying that information on terrorism won't be shared etc. Utter tosh. The EU comprises of 27 Countries. Interpol almost 200. Information will still be shared as it's in our common interest to do so. No one knows what will happen. It's all speculation. My opinion.
Leaving without a deal was dismissed repeatedly by the Leave campaign as Project Fear and “silly”. In fact, they thought it would be agreed before we even submitted Article 50.It is remainers that our forcing us to no deal.The only logic I can find in this is spite wierd"
Nothing to do with the conservative government which still, despite almost 3 years, has not decided what it wants? |
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"Well, my feeling is, that once the vote was made, we should have just left. Whomever was PM was on a hiding to nothing. The EU was going to punish anyone for trying to leave, that was a given. After all, they don't want anyone else to follow suit.
Had we just said 'That's it, we're leaving' it would have been down to the EU to approach the UK for any 'deal'.
There has been scaremongering from both sides. People saying that information on terrorism won't be shared etc. Utter tosh. The EU comprises of 27 Countries. Interpol almost 200. Information will still be shared as it's in our common interest to do so. No one knows what will happen. It's all speculation. My opinion.
Leaving without a deal was dismissed repeatedly by the Leave campaign as Project Fear and “silly”. In fact, they thought it would be agreed before we even submitted Article 50.It is remainers that our forcing us to no deal.The only logic I can find in this is spite wierd
Nothing to do with the conservative government which still, despite almost 3 years, has not decided what it wants? "
. It is actually longer than 3 years , the idea for a referendum was announced in the conservative 2015 manifesto , and many of their leading brexitiers have said they have been wanting to leave the EU for years , one claiming it had been his main goal since we joined in the 70s ,,, they got what they wanted but they don't know what they want ,,,,,, shocking , pathetic , poor , leadership and planning |
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"Well, my feeling is, that once the vote was made, we should have just left. Whomever was PM was on a hiding to nothing. The EU was going to punish anyone for trying to leave, that was a given. After all, they don't want anyone else to follow suit.
Had we just said 'That's it, we're leaving' it would have been down to the EU to approach the UK for any 'deal'.
There has been scaremongering from both sides. People saying that information on terrorism won't be shared etc. Utter tosh. The EU comprises of 27 Countries. Interpol almost 200. Information will still be shared as it's in our common interest to do so. No one knows what will happen. It's all speculation. My opinion.
Leaving without a deal was dismissed repeatedly by the Leave campaign as Project Fear and “silly”. In fact, they thought it would be agreed before we even submitted Article 50.It is remainers that our forcing us to no deal.The only logic I can find in this is spite wierd"
It's the right wing nut-jobs that are driving us to no deal for God's sake. |
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