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"think chavez managed to fuck the country up himself before he died without the usa,s help.Mr corbyn,s hero, a few years back it was his vision for the uk." Is it for us (jeremy hunt) to help start a potential civil war | |||
"think chavez managed to fuck the country up himself before he died without the usa,s help.Mr corbyn,s hero, a few years back it was his vision for the uk." Probably still is but the army would never back him thank god | |||
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"think chavez managed to fuck the country up himself before he died without the usa,s help.Mr corbyn,s hero, a few years back it was his vision for the uk." Well apart from the sanctions placed upon them. Just like that other country they didn’t like Cuba. | |||
"We should have interfered with Zimbabwe years ago but instead let people starve and die.Venuazela is not only inthis state but back terrorism,raies money through drug sales,etc.As well as starving and killing there own people thay are a threat to the whole of the Americas,yes for once Trump is 100% right" Interference in Zimbabwe isn't in usa's interests | |||
"We should have interfered with Zimbabwe years ago but instead let people starve and die.Venuazela is not only inthis state but back terrorism,raies money through drug sales,etc.As well as starving and killing there own people thay are a threat to the whole of the Americas,yes for once Trump is 100% right Interference in Zimbabwe isn't in usa's interests " I don’t think they have any oil. | |||
"We should have interfered with Zimbabwe years ago but instead let people starve and die.Venuazela is not only inthis state but back terrorism,raies money through drug sales,etc.As well as starving and killing there own people thay are a threat to the whole of the Americas,yes for once Trump is 100% right Interference in Zimbabwe isn't in usa's interests I don’t think they have any oil." 
There may be voting irregularities but if there's bloodshed caused by our meddling then what does that say about us or American foreign policy | |||
"think chavez managed to fuck the country up himself before he died without the usa,s help.Mr corbyn,s hero, a few years back it was his vision for the uk." So nothing to do with the sanctions the USA placed on Venezuela in 2014... "Venuazela is not only inthis state but back terrorism,raies money through drug sales,etc.As well as starving and killing there own people thay are a threat to the whole of the Americas,yes for once Trump is 100% right" More bullshit. The terrorist is the US state. Just like in Iran the USA is looking to topple the government by any means and install a puppet government. And what do Iran and Venezuela have in common? They both have massive oil reserves that they have refused to allow the US petrochemical industry to exploit and profit from. FFS there is even a video of Trump saying that the US should ferment, fund and support an insurrection in those countries then effectively invade and take 50 or 75% of the oil in payment and that the people will thank the US (and that is what should have been done in Libya). | |||
"think chavez managed to fuck the country up himself before he died without the usa,s help.Mr corbyn,s hero, a few years back it was his vision for the uk. So nothing to do with the sanctions the USA placed on Venezuela in 2014... Venuazela is not only inthis state but back terrorism,raies money through drug sales,etc.As well as starving and killing there own people thay are a threat to the whole of the Americas,yes for once Trump is 100% right More bullshit. The terrorist is the US state. Just like in Iran the USA is looking to topple the government by any means and install a puppet government. And what do Iran and Venezuela have in common? They both have massive oil reserves that they have refused to allow the US petrochemical industry to exploit and profit from. FFS there is even a video of Trump saying that the US should ferment, fund and support an insurrection in those countries then effectively invade and take 50 or 75% of the oil in payment and that the people will thank the US (and that is what should have been done in Libya)." | |||
"More meddling in another country's affairs... again!! Surely they must either know the destruction that could follow from iraq to the Ukraine and yet meddling again. " We should not be getting involved there. Just leave them to sort their own affairs out. Venezuela should be left alone as an example of what Jeremy Corbyn thinks is a good way to run a country. | |||
"We should have interfered with Zimbabwe years ago but instead let people starve and die.Venuazela is not only inthis state but back terrorism,raies money through drug sales,etc.As well as starving and killing there own people thay are a threat to the whole of the Americas,yes for once Trump is 100% right Interference in Zimbabwe isn't in usa's interests I don’t think they have any oil.
There may be voting irregularities but if there's bloodshed caused by our meddling then what does that say about us or American foreign policy "We never learn.. | |||
"think chavez managed to fuck the country up himself before he died without the usa,s help.Mr corbyn,s hero, a few years back it was his vision for the uk. So nothing to do with the sanctions the USA placed on Venezuela in 2014... Venuazela is not only inthis state but back terrorism,raies money through drug sales,etc.As well as starving and killing there own people thay are a threat to the whole of the Americas,yes for once Trump is 100% right More bullshit. The terrorist is the US state. Just like in Iran the USA is looking to topple the government by any means and install a puppet government. And what do Iran and Venezuela have in common? They both have massive oil reserves that they have refused to allow the US petrochemical industry to exploit and profit from. FFS there is even a video of Trump saying that the US should ferment, fund and support an insurrection in those countries then effectively invade and take 50 or 75% of the oil in payment and that the people will thank the US (and that is what should have been done in Libya)." Chavez nationalized the oil company to get his hands on all the money then spent it.The co opratives he set up with some of it all failed the country had more oil than saudi but was waisted on socialist hairbrain schemes nationalizing everything, thinking he could run everything better than business. | |||
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"I'm not against meddling. Provided we do it to protect people. Unfortunately we do it to further "National Interests" As a Veteran of Iraq (2), I've no desire to see the UK meddle in other countries affairs anymore. I have zero Faith in either political party to do the right thing anymore. Just line their own pockets by risking other people's lives. I find disgusting that it's done in our name, yet we rarely get a say in it. Bringing terrorism and destruction to our own people, as well as destroying other nations entirely." Peaceful so far. Just hope it stays that way | |||
"We should have interfered with Zimbabwe years ago but instead let people starve and die.Venuazela is not only inthis state but back terrorism,raies money through drug sales,etc.As well as starving and killing there own people thay are a threat to the whole of the Americas,yes for once Trump is 100% right Interference in Zimbabwe isn't in usa's interests I don’t think they have any oil." . Do you know which country is the biggest oil exporter in the world?. Kind of makes a mockery out of your notion that there interested in Venezuelan oil don't you think?. | |||
"I'm not against meddling. Provided we do it to protect people. Unfortunately we do it to further "National Interests" As a Veteran of Iraq (2), I've no desire to see the UK meddle in other countries affairs anymore. I have zero Faith in either political party to do the right thing anymore. Just line their own pockets by risking other people's lives. I find disgusting that it's done in our name, yet we rarely get a say in it. Bringing terrorism and destruction to our own people, as well as destroying other nations entirely." . I have similar experience and I've come to the same thoughts as yourself. | |||
"We should have interfered with Zimbabwe years ago but instead let people starve and die.Venuazela is not only inthis state but back terrorism,raies money through drug sales,etc.As well as starving and killing there own people thay are a threat to the whole of the Americas,yes for once Trump is 100% right Interference in Zimbabwe isn't in usa's interests I don’t think they have any oil.. Do you know which country is the biggest oil exporter in the world?. Kind of makes a mockery out of your notion that there interested in Venezuelan oil don't you think?. " Venezuela has vast oil and mineral reserves. That is why the Super Powers are showing strong interest. It's the only reason they ever do. Why else would USA, Russia and China be involved? | |||
"We should have interfered with Zimbabwe years ago but instead let people starve and die.Venuazela is not only inthis state but back terrorism,raies money through drug sales,etc.As well as starving and killing there own people thay are a threat to the whole of the Americas,yes for once Trump is 100% right Interference in Zimbabwe isn't in usa's interests I don’t think they have any oil.. Do you know which country is the biggest oil exporter in the world?. Kind of makes a mockery out of your notion that there interested in Venezuelan oil don't you think?. " I was referring to Zimbabwe. | |||
"We should have interfered with Zimbabwe years ago but instead let people starve and die.Venuazela is not only inthis state but back terrorism,raies money through drug sales,etc.As well as starving and killing there own people thay are a threat to the whole of the Americas,yes for once Trump is 100% right Interference in Zimbabwe isn't in usa's interests I don’t think they have any oil.. Do you know which country is the biggest oil exporter in the world?. Kind of makes a mockery out of your notion that there interested in Venezuelan oil don't you think?. I was referring to Zimbabwe." . That's right, you were inferring that the USA wasn't bothered about Zimbabwe because it doesn't have oil and they interfere with Venezuela because they do?. I was letting you know that the USA is the largest exporter of oil in the world so there's no real geopolitical interest for the United States on that front!. Unfortunately I'm willing to concede to you that the corporation's of America and the EU have an interest in it, corporations in reality these days are the shadow government, they control all wars, all TV, all papers, all radio, all internet, all books, all vaccines, all medicine, all water supplies, electric and most importantly they nearly have every politican in they're pockets... Nick raise your students fees clegg gets a 7 million dollar house and a nice big fat job with Facebook. There are no good politicans bad politicans, no left or right, it's all a stage and we're all players. | |||
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"The US does have an interest in other nations oil reserves.. they like to control the price." . They don't control the price, the price is set by OPEC and then by thousands of people in stock exchanges. Venezuela is a member of OPEC the USA is not. | |||
" I was letting you know that the USA is the largest exporter of oil in the world so there's no real geopolitical interest for the United States on that front!." I don't think that's true. Saudi Arabia is. It can get the stuff from beneath the sand for a fraction of the price anyway else can. The US is a nett importer. | |||
" I was letting you know that the USA is the largest exporter of oil in the world so there's no real geopolitical interest for the United States on that front!. I don't think that's true. Saudi Arabia is. It can get the stuff from beneath the sand for a fraction of the price anyway else can. The US is a nett importer. " . No since fracking the USA has got shit loads of the stuff, they used to have a law to stop them exporting but I think they binned it while back. | |||
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"US does have huge reserves thanks to cracking, he's right about that. They can control the prices in other ways though. I used to live in Venezuela. US and European Corporations have been sucking at Her resources for decades. Very sad to see it fall to pieces. Some of my best memories and warmest people I've ever met come from Venezuela." . This we can agree on, when I said there's no geopolitical interest for the US I meant US citizens. Governments of the world are massively corrupt and have been for decades, in many ways they work against the interests of their own citizens never mind Venezuelans. | |||
"US does have huge reserves thanks to cracking, he's right about that. They can control the prices in other ways though. I used to live in Venezuela. US and European Corporations have been sucking at Her resources for decades. Very sad to see it fall to pieces. Some of my best memories and warmest people I've ever met come from Venezuela.. This we can agree on, when I said there's no geopolitical interest for the US I meant US citizens. Governments of the world are massively corrupt and have been for decades, in many ways they work against the interests of their own citizens never mind Venezuelans." I hate that citizens are tainted by their countries foreign policy. This may sound very odd, but I empathise with the Islamic terror movement! Bear in mind I served in Iraq and lived in the Middle East for most of my childhood. So I'm more qualified to speak about empathy in this matter than most (before you jump down my throat). I don't support it, I don't sympathise with it, I empathise, I can put myself in the shoes of an Islamic Fundamentalist and see how they view what we do, how we operate as a Society. It doesn't justify what they do, the innocent blood they spill. But if we're going to get the blame for meddling in other Nations politics, because we live in "Democracies" Then we'd better start acting like it and exercising our right to vote. Force our Government to listen. Teach our children politics, teach them that bullying other nations is no different than bullying you school mates. We need to behave like a Nation that gives a fuck. Get out of bed with Saudi and Chins and get into bed with nations that genuinely need our assistance and share our views on what is the fair, just and honest way to live, breath and be. | |||
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"US does have huge reserves thanks to cracking, he's right about that. They can control the prices in other ways though. I used to live in Venezuela. US and European Corporations have been sucking at Her resources for decades. Very sad to see it fall to pieces. Some of my best memories and warmest people I've ever met come from Venezuela.. This we can agree on, when I said there's no geopolitical interest for the US I meant US citizens. Governments of the world are massively corrupt and have been for decades, in many ways they work against the interests of their own citizens never mind Venezuelans. I hate that citizens are tainted by their countries foreign policy. This may sound very odd, but I empathise with the Islamic terror movement! Bear in mind I served in Iraq and lived in the Middle East for most of my childhood. So I'm more qualified to speak about empathy in this matter than most (before you jump down my throat). I don't support it, I don't sympathise with it, I empathise, I can put myself in the shoes of an Islamic Fundamentalist and see how they view what we do, how we operate as a Society. It doesn't justify what they do, the innocent blood they spill. But if we're going to get the blame for meddling in other Nations politics, because we live in "Democracies" Then we'd better start acting like it and exercising our right to vote. Force our Government to listen. Teach our children politics, teach them that bullying other nations is no different than bullying you school mates. We need to behave like a Nation that gives a fuck. Get out of bed with Saudi and Chins and get into bed with nations that genuinely need our assistance and share our views on what is the fair, just and honest way to live, breath and be. " . I respect your empathy, unfortunately it's an emotion that's played upon. 10% of people are sociopaths, there nearly all in positions of power, they will use your emotions against you no different than the average Muslim. I don't like Islam, it's a shit bunch of crap,I get that alot of Muslims don't like Western values though, it conflicts with Islamic culture. Sadly I disagree most with a small selection of fellow indigenous Brits though, there the empathetic ones who've been deluded by bullshit politicans. | |||
"Chavez nationalized the oil company to get his hands on all the money then spent it.The co opratives he set up with some of it all failed the country had more oil than saudi but was waisted on socialist hairbrain schemes nationalizing everything, thinking he could run everything better than business. " More bullshit! You really don't get it! The only difference between Venezuela, Iran and Saudi is that Saudi allows the US petrochemical industry to exploit their oil. All are nationalised industries all were taken from private western oil companies without compensation but only 1 of them is our great ally. Surprisingly our great ally is the one who sponsors international terrorism against us while the 2 rouge states that we have spent years destabilising have never attacked us at all. | |||
"US does have huge reserves thanks to cracking, he's right about that. They can control the prices in other ways though. I used to live in Venezuela. US and European Corporations have been sucking at Her resources for decades. Very sad to see it fall to pieces. Some of my best memories and warmest people I've ever met come from Venezuela.. This we can agree on, when I said there's no geopolitical interest for the US I meant US citizens. Governments of the world are massively corrupt and have been for decades, in many ways they work against the interests of their own citizens never mind Venezuelans. I hate that citizens are tainted by their countries foreign policy. This may sound very odd, but I empathise with the Islamic terror movement! Bear in mind I served in Iraq and lived in the Middle East for most of my childhood. So I'm more qualified to speak about empathy in this matter than most (before you jump down my throat). I don't support it, I don't sympathise with it, I empathise, I can put myself in the shoes of an Islamic Fundamentalist and see how they view what we do, how we operate as a Society. It doesn't justify what they do, the innocent blood they spill. But if we're going to get the blame for meddling in other Nations politics, because we live in "Democracies" Then we'd better start acting like it and exercising our right to vote. Force our Government to listen. Teach our children politics, teach them that bullying other nations is no different than bullying you school mates. We need to behave like a Nation that gives a fuck. Get out of bed with Saudi and Chins and get into bed with nations that genuinely need our assistance and share our views on what is the fair, just and honest way to live, breath and be. . I respect your empathy, unfortunately it's an emotion that's played upon. 10% of people are sociopaths, there nearly all in positions of power, they will use your emotions against you no different than the average Muslim. I don't like Islam, it's a shit bunch of crap,I get that alot of Muslims don't like Western values though, it conflicts with Islamic culture. Sadly I disagree most with a small selection of fellow indigenous Brits though, there the empathetic ones who've been deluded by bullshit politicans. " Nobody uses my empathy against me, certainly no politicians, I'm cleverer than than. Maybe a little gullible as a young'un, but not now. You clearly don't understand Islam if that's your view. It's not a case of them not liking our values. More a case that we seem to be going to war with Muslims the world over. It's a very charitable and caring religion, very much like Christianity. They view one another as one big family and call each other Brother and Sister. When you see you're family being bombed all around the Globe, it tends to have an impact. | |||
"Chavez nationalized the oil company to get his hands on all the money then spent it.The co opratives he set up with some of it all failed the country had more oil than saudi but was waisted on socialist hairbrain schemes nationalizing everything, thinking he could run everything better than business. More bullshit! You really don't get it! The only difference between Venezuela, Iran and Saudi is that Saudi allows the US petrochemical industry to exploit their oil. All are nationalised industries all were taken from private western oil companies without compensation but only 1 of them is our great ally. Surprisingly our great ally is the one who sponsors international terrorism against us while the 2 rouge states that we have spent years destabilising have never attacked us at all." I wouldnt call saudi a socialist country,how come iran and saudi are rich and venezuela is on its arse? because they didnt waist their money on socialist hairbrain schemes. | |||
"Chavez nationalized the oil company to get his hands on all the money then spent it.The co opratives he set up with some of it all failed the country had more oil than saudi but was waisted on socialist hairbrain schemes nationalizing everything, thinking he could run everything better than business. More bullshit! You really don't get it! The only difference between Venezuela, Iran and Saudi is that Saudi allows the US petrochemical industry to exploit their oil. All are nationalised industries all were taken from private western oil companies without compensation but only 1 of them is our great ally. Surprisingly our great ally is the one who sponsors international terrorism against us while the 2 rouge states that we have spent years destabilising have never attacked us at all.I wouldnt call saudi a socialist country,how come iran and saudi are rich and venezuela is on its arse? because they didnt waist their money on socialist hairbrain schemes." No. Saudi is rich because it has vast oil reserves that it's worked alongside the US to develop. Alongside Qatar, Bahrain and the UAE (whose reserves have since dried up and are now pimping themselves out). The rulers of these nations control their people with an iron fists. Most nationals in places like Qatar don't even have to work anymore. Venezuela, in stark contrast doesn't have the same infrastructure and investment. It did during the 60s/70s and 80s. Till the Gulf blew up. Venezuela was then dropped like a stone. Venezuela is a massive nation of vastly different people. Most of whom live in poverty in Barrios outside the cities. Or in rural poverty. Chavez forced socialism onto the Venezuelans. Twisted words, bribed and lied to get what he wanted. Anytime a Socialist state pops up, the powers that be cut off all ties with those nations. Cutting off their access to resources and world banking, using the press to manipulate it into the old "Red Enemy" In fairness real socialism has never been given the chance it deserves, because Capitalism attacks it with every tool it has at its disposal. USSR, Cuba, China and Venezuela aren't exactly prime examples of a communist/socialist state functioning very well, but they're the few examples we have to go on. They were/are Dictatorships, how is that a Socialist model? I think if you ask most Venezuelans on the street how they feel right now. All they want is a bit more financial fairness, a little more equality and a chance to improve their lot. It's not a big ask is it? | |||
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"Tell britain to keep the FUCK out of other people's business. Fucking sailing destroyers on the coast of Russia.destroyers in south China sea, strident nuclear submarines sailing the world, destroyers in Tierra del Fucking fuego, ships fighter jets in a rock in the Falklands,ships jets in Gibraltar, the not one but two of the biggest aircraft carriers in the world. Why don't you spend my taxes on keeping our streets safe, putting a roof over our heads, and give us decent wages to live on." love that rage and what you're saying | |||
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"We should have interfered with Zimbabwe years ago but instead let people starve and die.Venuazela is not only inthis state but back terrorism,raies money through drug sales,etc.As well as starving and killing there own people thay are a threat to the whole of the Americas,yes for once Trump is 100% right Interference in Zimbabwe isn't in usa's interests " You misunderstand my point | |||
"Chavez nationalized the oil company to get his hands on all the money then spent it.The co opratives he set up with some of it all failed the country had more oil than saudi but was waisted on socialist hairbrain schemes nationalizing everything, thinking he could run everything better than business. More bullshit! You really don't get it! The only difference between Venezuela, Iran and Saudi is that Saudi allows the US petrochemical industry to exploit their oil. All are nationalised industries all were taken from private western oil companies without compensation but only 1 of them is our great ally. Surprisingly our great ally is the one who sponsors international terrorism against us while the 2 rouge states that we have spent years destabilising have never attacked us at all." Irrevelent crap | |||
"Tell britain to keep the FUCK out of other people's business. Fucking sailing destroyers on the coast of Russia.destroyers in south China sea, strident nuclear submarines sailing the world, destroyers in Tierra del Fucking fuego, ships fighter jets in a rock in the Falklands,ships jets in Gibraltar, the not one but two of the biggest aircraft carriers in the world. Why don't you spend my taxes on keeping our streets safe, putting a roof over our heads, and give us decent wages to live on." That is what they are trying to do but looking at a bigger picture than you | |||
"Chavez nationalized the oil company to get his hands on all the money then spent it.The co opratives he set up with some of it all failed the country had more oil than saudi but was waisted on socialist hairbrain schemes nationalizing everything, thinking he could run everything better than business. More bullshit! You really don't get it! The only difference between Venezuela, Iran and Saudi is that Saudi allows the US petrochemical industry to exploit their oil. All are nationalised industries all were taken from private western oil companies without compensation but only 1 of them is our great ally. Surprisingly our great ally is the one who sponsors international terrorism against us while the 2 rouge states that we have spent years destabilising have never attacked us at all." Iran not involved in terrorism? You're having a laugh right, they're as bad as Saudi. | |||
"think chavez managed to fuck the country up himself before he died without the usa,s help.Mr corbyn,s hero, a few years back it was his vision for the uk." seeing as chaves survived a coup supported by the usa, and currently targeting venesuala by sanctions, and stirring up trouble and waging economic warfare then hardly surprising is it! America's foreign policy is thick with interference. Fucking up the middle east and north africa for example | |||
"Iran not involved in terrorism? You're having a laugh right, they're as bad as Saudi. " The UNLOS is a perfect example of how well conditioned the vast majority of people in the west are... The Venezuelan President must be overthrown or the country invaded (by the USA) because there are children in danger of starving. The USA says, so the rest of the West says. So it must be true. Really? If that is the case how come the USA has not sent troops to Yemen? There are children dying of starvation every day there. How come the USA supplies arms to the country (Saudi) that is bombing civilians every day in Yemen? Oh yes, because the USA says Iran are terrorists, because the USA say so. Anyone care to tell me how many Iranians were involved in 9/11? Anyone like to name a single international terrorist attack carried out by Shia Islamists? To my knowledge there is no such beast, all fundamentalist Islamic terrorist attacks are carried carried out by Wahhabi Salafist Muslims who are funded by Saudi. To my knowledge the only 'terrorists', according to the USA and Israel, Iran supports are Hezbollah. And as I understand it the USA supports, arms and guarantees the security of Israel while Israeli snipers who are killing women and children in Gaza nearly every day and has been starving the population for years. And why? Because Hezbollah is the elected government in Gaza. However Venezuela and Iran do have a few things in common. Both have massive proven oil reserves. Both have refused to let the USA, (through their petrochemical industry), exploit their countries and profit from their wealth. Both have refused to use the US Petro$ to sell their oil, thus propping us the US$ in the international money markets. | |||
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"Iran not involved in terrorism? You're having a laugh right, they're as bad as Saudi. The UNLOS is a perfect example of how well conditioned the vast majority of people in the west are... The Venezuelan President must be overthrown or the country invaded (by the USA) because there are children in danger of starving. The USA says, so the rest of the West says. So it must be true. Really? If that is the case how come the USA has not sent troops to Yemen? There are children dying of starvation every day there. How come the USA supplies arms to the country (Saudi) that is bombing civilians every day in Yemen? Oh yes, because the USA says Iran are terrorists, because the USA say so. Anyone care to tell me how many Iranians were involved in 9/11? Anyone like to name a single international terrorist attack carried out by Shia Islamists? To my knowledge there is no such beast, all fundamentalist Islamic terrorist attacks are carried carried out by Wahhabi Salafist Muslims who are funded by Saudi. To my knowledge the only 'terrorists', according to the USA and Israel, Iran supports are Hezbollah. And as I understand it the USA supports, arms and guarantees the security of Israel while Israeli snipers who are killing women and children in Gaza nearly every day and has been starving the population for years. And why? Because Hezbollah is the elected government in Gaza. However Venezuela and Iran do have a few things in common. Both have massive proven oil reserves. Both have refused to let the USA, (through their petrochemical industry), exploit their countries and profit from their wealth. Both have refused to use the US Petro$ to sell their oil, thus propping us the US$ in the international money markets. " So Hezbollah and the various militias Iran operates or funds in its neighbouring nations aren't terrorist activities then? That they don't assist Russia in its Regime Change and Black Operations warfare.. Like we are the US stooge. Venezuela has been a puppet state to US oil for decades. They're the only South American Nation who don't have football as a national sport. They're so American it's Baseball! There are no similarities. Iran's hostility is due to US and Colonial interference through the centuries and decades. Venezuelans ARE dying and going hungry. I know, because we're still friends with the people we met there. They didn't vote for a Dictatorship. | |||
"think chavez managed to fuck the country up himself before he died without the usa,s help.Mr corbyn,s hero, a few years back it was his vision for the uk. Well apart from the sanctions placed upon them. Just like that other country they didn’t like Cuba." There were no sanctions against Venezuela until this year. There has been sanctions against individual leaders but no national sanctions. | |||
"More meddling in another country's affairs... again!! Surely they must either know the destruction that could follow from iraq to the Ukraine and yet meddling again. We should not be getting involved there. Just leave them to sort their own affairs out. Venezuela should be left alone as an example of what Jeremy Corbyn thinks is a good way to run a country. " Whilst I'm inclined to agree, although not the bit about being an example - that would be a terrible reason not to intervene. I do think we should take sides and make it clear that we do not support the present illegal and illegitimate resume. We can do that without sending in any military. As for Trump and the US, on this one I would back Trump before I would back Muduro in pretty much any situation. | |||
"Bottom line - should the usa alliance, including uk interfere and incite unrest in other countries? Are we entitled to do that, considering the American investigation into possible Russian interference in elections? " Bottom line - the unrest is being caused by Muduro, not the US, Trump or us. I don't see anything wrong with us or the US taking the side of the democrat in this dispute who, and let's be clear about this, is in a party internationally aligned with the British Labour party. | |||
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"So Hezbollah and the various militias Iran operates or funds in its neighbouring nations aren't terrorist activities then? That they don't assist Russia in its Regime Change and Black Operations warfare.. Like we are the US stooge. Venezuela has been a puppet state to US oil for decades. They're the only South American Nation who don't have football as a national sport. They're so American it's Baseball! There are no similarities. Iran's hostility is due to US and Colonial interference through the centuries and decades. Venezuelans ARE dying and going hungry. I know, because we're still friends with the people we met there. They didn't vote for a Dictatorship. " You must be joking! Hezbollah is the legitimate, freely elected government and representatives of the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, the terrorists in the area are the IDF snipers who brutalise and kill at will and have been terrorising the Gaza Strip for decades. As for what you 'know' from your friends in the country, I have one question for you: Do you know their politics? You will find the reason for my question if you bother to read my replies to Cracken and final comments. "There were no sanctions against Venezuela until this year. There has been sanctions against individual leaders but no national sanctions. " Not so, there have been US sanctions against Venezuela since 2014. "Bottom line - the unrest is being caused by Muduro, not the US, Trump or us. I don't see anything wrong with us or the US taking the side of the democrat in this dispute who, and let's be clear about this, is in a party internationally aligned with the British Labour party." I think you need to do some reading and find out exactly who we and the US have just recognised as the de-facto leader of Venezuela and take a look at the record of his party. You point at Muduro and claim he is some sort of beast and by implication are happy for our government to support placing in power the most violent of extreme right wing organisations who have a record of burning to death those that oppose them and fall into their hands. | |||
" You must be joking! Hezbollah is the legitimate, freely elected government and representatives of the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, the terrorists in the area are the IDF snipers who brutalise and kill at will and have been terrorising the Gaza Strip for decades. " Although this is not about Gaza and any abuses in that region, do you mind if I ask as I am not sure that they were elected....when was this election, who were actually elected? | |||
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" You must be joking! Hezbollah is the legitimate, freely elected government and representatives of the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, the terrorists in the area are the IDF snipers who brutalise and kill at will and have been terrorising the Gaza Strip for decades. Although this is not about Gaza and any abuses in that region, do you mind if I ask as I am not sure that they were elected....when was this election, who were actually elected? " One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter. Whilst I empathise with the Palestinian cause. I think Hezbollahs methods are brutal and cruel. Much like the Israeli regime that control the region with an iron fist. Just because Israelis act like they do, it doesn't justify car bombs and missiles strikes, hostage situations at international venues involving totally innocent people. Hezbollah use terrorism, because they're unable to take it to the Israeli Armed Forces in a conventional battle. As for my friends. They're a little apolitical like me. It's above them, not in their power to control. They're suffering though, but time, so surely that's still relevant, regardless of their political stance? | |||
"So who is juan Guaido ? He is sold as the face of democracy he spent his career in the most violent faction of Venezuela’s most radical opposition party His right wing party is funded by the US and his party likes violence sabotage and burning people alive... The right wingers must be salivating Awesome.. "You are correct, he is an extreme right wing nut job who uses violence and death to get his own way. If he gains power i dread to think of the amount of opposition politicians he will have killed. He would be the Venezuelan robert mugabe. | |||
"Although this is not about Gaza and any abuses in that region, do you mind if I ask as I am not sure that they were elected....when was this election, who were actually elected? " To be absolutely correct Hamas came to power in the Gaza strip in 2007. Hezbollah is the military arm of Hamas but because of the situation in Gaza the 2 have become so intertwined everyone forgets what Hezbollah is in reality. | |||
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"So who is juan Guaido ? He is sold as the face of democracy he spent his career in the most violent faction of Venezuela’s most radical opposition party His right wing party is funded by the US and his party likes violence sabotage and burning people alive... The right wingers must be salivating Awesome.. You are correct, he is an extreme right wing nut job who uses violence and death to get his own way. If he gains power i dread to think of the amount of opposition politicians he will have killed. He would be the Venezuelan robert mugabe."I'm sorry but, from what I understand, juan Guaido is leader of the People's Will party; a centre left party that is aligned with the British Labour party. Where do these stories of violence, death, sabotage and burning people alive come from? Can you provide any links to back these accusations up? | |||
"So who is juan Guaido ? He is sold as the face of democracy he spent his career in the most violent faction of Venezuela’s most radical opposition party His right wing party is funded by the US and his party likes violence sabotage and burning people alive... The right wingers must be salivating Awesome.. You are correct, he is an extreme right wing nut job who uses violence and death to get his own way. If he gains power i dread to think of the amount of opposition politicians he will have killed. He would be the Venezuelan robert mugabe.
I'm sorry but, from what I understand, juan Guaido is leader of the People's Will party; a centre left party that is aligned with the British Labour party. Where do these stories of violence, death, sabotage and burning people alive come from? Can you provide any links to back these accusations up?
"Whatever the political wings, Guido is a puppet of the usa. The usa has waged an economic war because maduro won't be subservient to the USA. Organising coups and foreign meddling is what they do. If they do this for "freedom" and democracy, why don't they and you call for overthrowing the Saudi government! Hypocrisy at its worst! | |||
"So who is juan Guaido ? He is sold as the face of democracy he spent his career in the most violent faction of Venezuela’s most radical opposition party His right wing party is funded by the US and his party likes violence sabotage and burning people alive... The right wingers must be salivating Awesome.. You are correct, he is an extreme right wing nut job who uses violence and death to get his own way. If he gains power i dread to think of the amount of opposition politicians he will have killed. He would be the Venezuelan robert mugabe.
I'm sorry but, from what I understand, juan Guaido is leader of the People's Will party; a centre left party that is aligned with the British Labour party. Where do these stories of violence, death, sabotage and burning people alive come from? Can you provide any links to back these accusations up?
Whatever the political wings, Guido is a puppet of the usa. The usa has waged an economic war because maduro won't be subservient to the USA. Organising coups and foreign meddling is what they do.
If they do this for "freedom" and democracy, why don't they and you call for overthrowing the Saudi government!
Hypocrisy at its worst! ". It's not just the USA, the EU are in favour of him as well!. | |||
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"So who is juan Guaido ? He is sold as the face of democracy he spent his career in the most violent faction of Venezuela’s most radical opposition party His right wing party is funded by the US and his party likes violence sabotage and burning people alive... The right wingers must be salivating Awesome.. You are correct, he is an extreme right wing nut job who uses violence and death to get his own way. If he gains power i dread to think of the amount of opposition politicians he will have killed. He would be the Venezuelan robert mugabe.
I'm sorry but, from what I understand, juan Guaido is leader of the People's Will party; a centre left party that is aligned with the British Labour party. Where do these stories of violence, death, sabotage and burning people alive come from? Can you provide any links to back these accusations up?
Whatever the political wings, Guido is a puppet of the usa. The usa has waged an economic war because maduro won't be subservient to the USA. Organising coups and foreign meddling is what they do.
If they do this for "freedom" and democracy, why don't they and you call for overthrowing the Saudi government!
Hypocrisy at its worst! "Let's be clear. I'm not backing US, UK or European military intervention. What am backing and saying is that we should give our moral support to the democrat, not the dictator, in this dispute. I'm also saying that, just because Trump is backing the democrat in this dispute does not mean that we shouldn't. I also question this story of massive US sanctions against Venezuela being the cause of the problem. As far as I know there have been no national sanctions against Venezuela until this year. And I'm still waiting for some information relating to the accusations of violence, death, sabotage and burning people alive by Guaido. I have posted about Saudi in the past and agree that our and the US's relationship with that country is wrong. However that has nothing to do with Venezuela. | |||
"Just seen on tv where a tory clsimed in parliament that Venezuelas economic problems couldn't be because of the oil embargo, because it has just been implemented. Didnt mention other sanctions have been in place since March 2015 " The sanctions in place prior to this year were not national sanctions but individual sanctions against various leaders in Venezuela. There is no way they would cause the sort of economic problems Venezuela is now facing. Just because Tories and Trump are on the right and Murdua is meant to be from the left does not mean he is right and they are wrong. | |||
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"Bottom line - should the usa alliance, including uk interfere and incite unrest in other countries? Are we entitled to do that, considering the American investigation into possible Russian interference in elections? " Indeed... Shows the hypocrisy of our policies | |||
"think chavez managed to fuck the country up himself before he died without the usa,s help.Mr corbyn,s hero, a few years back it was his vision for the uk. So nothing to do with the sanctions the USA placed on Venezuela in 2014... Venuazela is not only inthis state but back terrorism,raies money through drug sales,etc.As well as starving and killing there own people thay are a threat to the whole of the Americas,yes for once Trump is 100% right More bullshit. The terrorist is the US state. Just like in Iran the USA is looking to topple the government by any means and install a puppet government. And what do Iran and Venezuela have in common? They both have massive oil reserves that they have refused to allow the US petrochemical industry to exploit and profit from. FFS there is even a video of Trump saying that the US should ferment, fund and support an insurrection in those countries then effectively invade and take 50 or 75% of the oil in payment and that the people will thank the US (and that is what should have been done in Libya)." | |||
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"Finally, people who realise that the suffering Venezuelans are enduring is because of SANCTIONS! The cannot feed the people because they cannot import goods because of US Sanctions, which various US Allies support! They cannot sell their oil because of US led SANCTIONS! " Clearly another person who hasn't actually checked the facts before coming to the wrong conclusion. There have been no national sanctions applied against Venezuela until February 2019 by the US or anyone else. | |||
"think chavez managed to fuck the country up himself before he died without the usa,s help.Mr corbyn,s hero, a few years back it was his vision for the uk. So nothing to do with the sanctions the USA placed on Venezuela in 2014... Venuazela is not only inthis state but back terrorism,raies money through drug sales,etc.As well as starving and killing there own people thay are a threat to the whole of the Americas,yes for once Trump is 100% right More bullshit. The terrorist is the US state. Just like in Iran the USA is looking to topple the government by any means and install a puppet government. And what do Iran and Venezuela have in common? They both have massive oil reserves that they have refused to allow the US petrochemical industry to exploit and profit from. FFS there is even a video of Trump saying that the US should ferment, fund and support an insurrection in those countries then effectively invade and take 50 or 75% of the oil in payment and that the people will thank the US (and that is what should have been done in Libya). "You can put as many s as you like under his comments but they're still bullshit.
There were no sanctions applied by the US or anyone else against Venezuela in 2014. There were some sanctions applied against individual members of the Venezuelan Govetment in March 2015. There have been no national sanctions on trade or oil applied against Venezuela at all until this month (February 2019). They are the facts.
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"think chavez managed to fuck the country up himself before he died without the usa,s help.Mr corbyn,s hero, a few years back it was his vision for the uk. So nothing to do with the sanctions the USA placed on Venezuela in 2014... Venuazela is not only inthis state but back terrorism,raies money through drug sales,etc.As well as starving and killing there own people thay are a threat to the whole of the Americas,yes for once Trump is 100% right More bullshit. The terrorist is the US state. Just like in Iran the USA is looking to topple the government by any means and install a puppet government. And what do Iran and Venezuela have in common? They both have massive oil reserves that they have refused to allow the US petrochemical industry to exploit and profit from. FFS there is even a video of Trump saying that the US should ferment, fund and support an insurrection in those countries then effectively invade and take 50 or 75% of the oil in payment and that the people will thank the US (and that is what should have been done in Libya).
You can put as many s as you like under his comments but they're still bullshit.
There were no sanctions applied by the US or anyone else against Venezuela in 2014. There were some sanctions applied against individual members of the Venezuelan Govetment in March 2015. There have been no national sanctions on trade or oil applied against Venezuela at all until this month (February 2019). They are the facts.
"It’s better to better to be morally right than factually correct apparently.  | |||
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"think chavez managed to fuck the country up himself before he died without the usa,s help.Mr corbyn,s hero, a few years back it was his vision for the uk. So nothing to do with the sanctions the USA placed on Venezuela in 2014... Venuazela is not only inthis state but back terrorism,raies money through drug sales,etc.As well as starving and killing there own people thay are a threat to the whole of the Americas,yes for once Trump is 100% right More bullshit. The terrorist is the US state. Just like in Iran the USA is looking to topple the government by any means and install a puppet government. And what do Iran and Venezuela have in common? They both have massive oil reserves that they have refused to allow the US petrochemical industry to exploit and profit from. FFS there is even a video of Trump saying that the US should ferment, fund and support an insurrection in those countries then effectively invade and take 50 or 75% of the oil in payment and that the people will thank the US (and that is what should have been done in Libya).
You can put as many s as you like under his comments but they're still bullshit.
There were no sanctions applied by the US or anyone else against Venezuela in 2014. There were some sanctions applied against individual members of the Venezuelan Govetment in March 2015. There have been no national sanctions on trade or oil applied against Venezuela at all until this month (February 2019). They are the facts.
"How do you explsin Bolton, who's admitted the US has interest in Venezuelas mineral wealth. Guido daid hed sell off to foreign companies and lrt in the IMF who will screw the citizens But maybe I’m wrong. Possibly; US intervention will work out great after fucking it up like it did in Syria, and Yemen, and Iraq, and Iran, and Afghanistan, and Chile, and Honduras, and Haiti, and Somalia, and Libya, and Guatemala, and Nicaragua, and Colombia, and Panama, Maybe this time it'll work out
Btw, Bolton mentioned Nicaragua could be next | |||
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"Sanctions against countries like Venezuela are pretty useless.If you look at Cuba which has suffered under the longest trade sanctions in history from the US and still hasn't been broken.. My guess is Venezuela will tough it out because the ace they have left is Russia and China have strong financial ties to Venezuela and are noticeably not imposing sanctions." Yep. I have noticed they're not sending aid. Perhaps not wanting to get embroiled | |||
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"So maduro so unwilling to admit his left wing dream has failed , he is now killing his own people, the man is mad plain mad" The left wing dream wasn't failed by Maduro, it was failed by those who are meddling with Venezuela. For a country rich in resources, they are poor because of inflation and sanctions placed on them. They have food, it's just that it's too expensive to buy. This shiws that external parties can impact a country. | |||
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"I am in agreement with the recent Chinese and Russin assertions that the US aid is an attempt to smuggle weapons over the border to the opposition to start a civil war . It's standard US practice with regard to regime change. How often in history has the US armed opposition groups and no good ever comes of it. " They already attempted a coup with Chavez and failed. All the right ring politicians are campaigning at the border who are in favour of dictatorship. Even the Chilean president who is backed by people who supported facism are pretending to help the people, when he doesn't look after his own people. You can see through their fakeness. | |||
"I am in agreement with the recent Chinese and Russin assertions that the US aid is an attempt to smuggle weapons over the border to the opposition to start a civil war . It's standard US practice with regard to regime change. How often in history has the US armed opposition groups and no good ever comes of it. " Elliot abrams, a guy with criminal convictions, pardoned by bush, who staged coups in the past by using usaid, is now employed by trump to do the same thing to Venezuela. This neocon and trump administration want conflict. Its them who are smuggling weapons and responsible for the deaths and culpable for a civil war. | |||
"So maduro so unwilling to admit his left wing dream has failed , he is now killing his own people, the man is mad plain mad" Check a wider range of news as to why it's came to this | |||
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"https://youtu.be/dF01yjEEmeY Message to Venezuela. Good video to get a good idea of how the mess started. Message to Richard Branson https://youtu.be/w2BTlezcaUw" | |||
"Let the people decide viva la revolution. " Exactly. It's upto the Venezuelans and not foreign intervention especially from the USA or idiots with more money than sense. | |||
"Let the people decide viva la revolution. Exactly. It's upto the Venezuelans and not foreign intervention especially from the USA or idiots with more money than sense. " erm... they tried that! thats what started this whole mess! maudro basically banned all his political foes from running again him in last years presidential elections.... nobody including the un confirmed that election to be free or fair in the end there version of parliament basically refused to ratify the result, and the leader of the house became interim president.... | |||
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"Let the people decide viva la revolution. Exactly. It's upto the Venezuelans and not foreign intervention especially from the USA or idiots with more money than sense. erm... they tried that! thats what started this whole mess! maudro basically banned all his political foes from running again him in last years presidential elections.... nobody including the un confirmed that election to be free or fair in the end there version of parliament basically refused to ratify the result, and the leader of the house became interim president...." If the USA kept out of Venezuelan affairs and leave it to Venezuela to sort it then I'd agree | |||
"Socialism, an idea so good you have to tear gas your own citizens not to leave!." Think your getting mixed up. Tear gas was government troops quelling groups wanting usaid into Venezuela. Those who left are currently trying to get asylum but being kept out of the USA ironically by trump | |||
"think chavez managed to fuck the country up himself before he died without the usa,s help.Mr corbyn,s hero, a few years back it was his vision for the uk. So nothing to do with the sanctions the USA placed on Venezuela in 2014... Venuazela is not only inthis state but back terrorism,raies money through drug sales,etc.As well as starving and killing there own people thay are a threat to the whole of the Americas,yes for once Trump is 100% right More bullshit. The terrorist is the US state. Just like in Iran the USA is looking to topple the government by any means and install a puppet government. And what do Iran and Venezuela have in common? They both have massive oil reserves that they have refused to allow the US petrochemical industry to exploit and profit from. FFS there is even a video of Trump saying that the US should ferment, fund and support an insurrection in those countries then effectively invade and take 50 or 75% of the oil in payment and that the people will thank the US (and that is what should have been done in Libya).
You can put as many s as you like under his comments but they're still bullshit.
There were no sanctions applied by the US or anyone else against Venezuela in 2014. There were some sanctions applied against individual members of the Venezuelan Govetment in March 2015. There have been no national sanctions on trade or oil applied against Venezuela at all until this month (February 2019). They are the facts.
How do you explsin Bolton, who's admitted the US has interest in Venezuelas mineral wealth. Guido daid hed sell off to foreign companies and lrt in the IMF who will screw the citizens
But maybe I’m wrong. Possibly; US intervention will work out great after fucking it up like it did in Syria,
and Yemen,
and Iraq,
and Iran,
and Afghanistan,
and Chile,
and Honduras,
and Haiti,
and Somalia,
and Libya,
and Guatemala,
and Nicaragua,
and Colombia,
and Panama,
Maybe this time it'll work out
Btw, Bolton mentioned Nicaragua could be next"Why do I need to explain what Bolton says? The argument I'm opposing is that US or other countries sanctions have caused the problems in Venezuela. How can that be true as prior to this month (February 2019) there have been no national sanctions against Venezuela imposed by the US or anyone else? | |||
"So maduro so unwilling to admit his left wing dream has failed , he is now killing his own people, the man is mad plain mad The left wing dream wasn't failed by Maduro, it was failed by those who are meddling with Venezuela. For a country rich in resources, they are poor because of inflation and sanctions placed on them. They have food, it's just that it's too expensive to buy. This shiws that external parties can impact a country. " What sanctions? Up until this month (February 2019) there have been no economic sanctions applied against Venezuela by anyone. | |||
"I am in agreement with the recent Chinese and Russin assertions that the US aid is an attempt to smuggle weapons over the border to the opposition to start a civil war . It's standard US practice with regard to regime change. How often in history has the US armed opposition groups and no good ever comes of it. " You mean like providing guns and support to the various resistance and opposition groups in Europe between 1940 and 45. No good came from that at all, did it? | |||
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"think chavez managed to fuck the country up himself before he died without the usa,s help.Mr corbyn,s hero, a few years back it was his vision for the uk. So nothing to do with the sanctions the USA placed on Venezuela in 2014... Venuazela is not only inthis state but back terrorism,raies money through drug sales,etc.As well as starving and killing there own people thay are a threat to the whole of the Americas,yes for once Trump is 100% right More bullshit. The terrorist is the US state. Just like in Iran the USA is looking to topple the government by any means and install a puppet government. And what do Iran and Venezuela have in common? They both have massive oil reserves that they have refused to allow the US petrochemical industry to exploit and profit from. FFS there is even a video of Trump saying that the US should ferment, fund and support an insurrection in those countries then effectively invade and take 50 or 75% of the oil in payment and that the people will thank the US (and that is what should have been done in Libya).
You can put as many s as you like under his comments but they're still bullshit.
There were no sanctions applied by the US or anyone else against Venezuela in 2014. There were some sanctions applied against individual members of the Venezuelan Govetment in March 2015. There have been no national sanctions on trade or oil applied against Venezuela at all until this month (February 2019). They are the facts.
How do you explsin Bolton, who's admitted the US has interest in Venezuelas mineral wealth. Guido daid hed sell off to foreign companies and lrt in the IMF who will screw the citizens
But maybe I’m wrong. Possibly; US intervention will work out great after fucking it up like it did in Syria,
and Yemen,
and Iraq,
and Iran,
and Afghanistan,
and Chile,
and Honduras,
and Haiti,
and Somalia,
and Libya,
and Guatemala,
and Nicaragua,
and Colombia,
and Panama,
Maybe this time it'll work out
Btw, Bolton mentioned Nicaragua could be next
Why do I need to explain what Bolton says?
The argument I'm opposing is that US or other countries sanctions have caused the problems in Venezuela. How can that be true as prior to this month (February 2019) there have been no national sanctions against Venezuela imposed by the US or anyone else?
"Ive got 21 may 2018. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/05/21/us/politics/trump-maduro-venezuela-sanctions.amp.html | |||
"Let the people decide viva la revolution. Exactly. It's upto the Venezuelans and not foreign intervention especially from the USA or idiots with more money than sense. erm... they tried that! thats what started this whole mess! maudro basically banned all his political foes from running again him in last years presidential elections.... nobody including the un confirmed that election to be free or fair in the end there version of parliament basically refused to ratify the result, and the leader of the house became interim president...." Your not a blairite by any chance _abio? | |||
"Socialism, an idea so good you have to tear gas your own citizens not to leave!." I'm no socialist but, to be fair, this is not about socialism or capitalism. It's about democracy or dictatorship. In fact Guaido is a socialist and his party is aligned with Corbyn's Labour party. The problem is is that some left of center supports hate Trump so much (something I share with them) that they're giving their backing to anyone who stands up to him without really looking at the issues. Unfortunately in this case that is leading them to back Maduro and his dictatorship. | |||
"Let the people decide viva la revolution. Exactly. It's upto the Venezuelans and not foreign intervention especially from the USA or idiots with more money than sense. erm... they tried that! thats what started this whole mess! maudro basically banned all his political foes from running again him in last years presidential elections.... nobody including the un confirmed that election to be free or fair in the end there version of parliament basically refused to ratify the result, and the leader of the house became interim president.... Your not a blairite by any chance _abio? " what does my politics have to do with any of the facts?.... those are the events of what has happened in this case... the UN didn't ratify the elections as being free or fair... all the other south american countries doesn't recognise maudro as president... and he can say what he wants... but he is stopping again from coming into his country that may have stopped the 3 million that have left the country in the last 12 months for camps in colombia and brazil in the first place..... | |||
"Socialism, an idea so good you have to tear gas your own citizens not to leave!. I'm no socialist but, to be fair, this is not about socialism or capitalism. It's about democracy or dictatorship. In fact Guaido is a socialist and his party is aligned with Corbyn's Labour party. The problem is is that some left of center supports hate Trump so much (something I share with them) that they're giving their backing to anyone who stands up to him without really looking at the issues. Unfortunately in this case that is leading them to back Maduro and his dictatorship." Do you agree with USA foreign intervention? It should be for Venezuelans to sort out and the un peacekeeping if violence breaks out. I agree that socialist or capitalism is irrelevant. | |||
"It’s ok the TV stations are showing some great cookery ideas to help get people by. Rabbit or seagull anyone? Washed down with tear gas and pepper spray. " Did you see "skint Britain friends without benefits ." On tv last week .where people use their dogs to hunt rabbits because they had no food . Do think trump will drop food at the border for them..,  | |||
"It’s ok the TV stations are showing some great cookery ideas to help get people by. Rabbit or seagull anyone? Washed down with tear gas and pepper spray. Did you see "skint Britain friends without benefits ." On tv last week .where people use their dogs to hunt rabbits because they had no food . Do think trump will drop food at the border for them.., "Was that the couple who blew their money on takeaways? | |||
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"think chavez managed to fuck the country up himself before he died without the usa,s help.Mr corbyn,s hero, a few years back it was his vision for the uk. So nothing to do with the sanctions the USA placed on Venezuela in 2014... Venuazela is not only inthis state but back terrorism,raies money through drug sales,etc.As well as starving and killing there own people thay are a threat to the whole of the Americas,yes for once Trump is 100% right More bullshit. The terrorist is the US state. Just like in Iran the USA is looking to topple the government by any means and install a puppet government. And what do Iran and Venezuela have in common? They both have massive oil reserves that they have refused to allow the US petrochemical industry to exploit and profit from. FFS there is even a video of Trump saying that the US should ferment, fund and support an insurrection in those countries then effectively invade and take 50 or 75% of the oil in payment and that the people will thank the US (and that is what should have been done in Libya).
You can put as many s as you like under his comments but they're still bullshit.
There were no sanctions applied by the US or anyone else against Venezuela in 2014. There were some sanctions applied against individual members of the Venezuelan Govetment in March 2015. There have been no national sanctions on trade or oil applied against Venezuela at all until this month (February 2019). They are the facts.
How do you explsin Bolton, who's admitted the US has interest in Venezuelas mineral wealth. Guido daid hed sell off to foreign companies and lrt in the IMF who will screw the citizens
But maybe I’m wrong. Possibly; US intervention will work out great after fucking it up like it did in Syria,
and Yemen,
and Iraq,
and Iran,
and Afghanistan,
and Chile,
and Honduras,
and Haiti,
and Somalia,
and Libya,
and Guatemala,
and Nicaragua,
and Colombia,
and Panama,
Maybe this time it'll work out
Btw, Bolton mentioned Nicaragua could be next
Why do I need to explain what Bolton says?
The argument I'm opposing is that US or other countries sanctions have caused the problems in Venezuela. How can that be true as prior to this month (February 2019) there have been no national sanctions against Venezuela imposed by the US or anyone else?
Ive got 21 may 2018.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/05/21/us/politics/trump-maduro-venezuela-sanctions.amp.html"They where not national sanctions, they where individuals sanctions intended to stop Mr. Maduro and his government from using a strategy they have pursued in the past to raise cash by selling debt of at a few cents to the dollar and to strip individuals in the Venezuelan Govetment of their ability to siphon money from the failing economy. No sanctions on the trading of goods, including oil, have been applied until this month (February 2019) | |||
"It’s ok the TV stations are showing some great cookery ideas to help get people by. Rabbit or seagull anyone? Washed down with tear gas and pepper spray. Did you see "skint Britain friends without benefits ." On tv last week .where people use their dogs to hunt rabbits because they had no food . Do think trump will drop food at the border for them..,
Was that the couple who blew their money on takeaways? "They did yes you are correct,once the benefits came in.They skinned a rabbit the day before I grew up eating rabbit and used to go lamping with my grandad. It makes a lovely stew... with dumplings.. | |||
"think chavez managed to fuck the country up himself before he died without the usa,s help.Mr corbyn,s hero, a few years back it was his vision for the uk. So nothing to do with the sanctions the USA placed on Venezuela in 2014... Venuazela is not only inthis state but back terrorism,raies money through drug sales,etc.As well as starving and killing there own people thay are a threat to the whole of the Americas,yes for once Trump is 100% right More bullshit. The terrorist is the US state. Just like in Iran the USA is looking to topple the government by any means and install a puppet government. And what do Iran and Venezuela have in common? They both have massive oil reserves that they have refused to allow the US petrochemical industry to exploit and profit from. FFS there is even a video of Trump saying that the US should ferment, fund and support an insurrection in those countries then effectively invade and take 50 or 75% of the oil in payment and that the people will thank the US (and that is what should have been done in Libya).
You can put as many s as you like under his comments but they're still bullshit.
There were no sanctions applied by the US or anyone else against Venezuela in 2014. There were some sanctions applied against individual members of the Venezuelan Govetment in March 2015. There have been no national sanctions on trade or oil applied against Venezuela at all until this month (February 2019). They are the facts.
How do you explsin Bolton, who's admitted the US has interest in Venezuelas mineral wealth. Guido daid hed sell off to foreign companies and lrt in the IMF who will screw the citizens
But maybe I’m wrong. Possibly; US intervention will work out great after fucking it up like it did in Syria,
and Yemen,
and Iraq,
and Iran,
and Afghanistan,
and Chile,
and Honduras,
and Haiti,
and Somalia,
and Libya,
and Guatemala,
and Nicaragua,
and Colombia,
and Panama,
Maybe this time it'll work out
Btw, Bolton mentioned Nicaragua could be next
Why do I need to explain what Bolton says?
The argument I'm opposing is that US or other countries sanctions have caused the problems in Venezuela. How can that be true as prior to this month (February 2019) there have been no national sanctions against Venezuela imposed by the US or anyone else?
Ive got 21 may 2018.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/05/21/us/politics/trump-maduro-venezuela-sanctions.amp.html
They where not national sanctions, they where individuals sanctions intended to stop Mr. Maduro and his government from using a strategy they have pursued in the past to raise cash by selling debt of at a few cents to the dollar and to strip individuals in the Venezuelan Govetment of their ability to siphon money from the failing economy. No sanctions on the trading of goods, including oil, have been applied until this month (February 2019)"Wasn't there sanctions preventing state access to bond markets and financial markets Im sure I've read that before ..?? | |||
"Let the people decide viva la revolution. Exactly. It's upto the Venezuelans and not foreign intervention especially from the USA or idiots with more money than sense. erm... they tried that! thats what started this whole mess! maudro basically banned all his political foes from running again him in last years presidential elections.... nobody including the un confirmed that election to be free or fair in the end there version of parliament basically refused to ratify the result, and the leader of the house became interim president.... Your not a blairite by any chance _abio? what does my politics have to do with any of the facts?.... those are the events of what has happened in this case... the UN didn't ratify the elections as being free or fair... all the other south american countries doesn't recognise maudro as president... and he can say what he wants... but he is stopping again from coming into his country that may have stopped the 3 million that have left the country in the last 12 months for camps in colombia and brazil in the first place..... " Just curious about your political allegiance. Facts? Found this on the Internet. Or is it Possibly fake news? https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/02/01/587387/UN-reject-Guaido-cooperate-Maduro | |||
"Socialism, an idea so good you have to tear gas your own citizens not to leave!. I'm no socialist but, to be fair, this is not about socialism or capitalism. It's about democracy or dictatorship. In fact Guaido is a socialist and his party is aligned with Corbyn's Labour party. The problem is is that some left of center supports hate Trump so much (something I share with them) that they're giving their backing to anyone who stands up to him without really looking at the issues. Unfortunately in this case that is leading them to back Maduro and his dictatorship. Do you agree with USA foreign intervention? It should be for Venezuelans to sort out and the un peacekeeping if violence breaks out. I agree that socialist or capitalism is irrelevant. " I have no blanket opinion on US or any countries intervention in other foreign countries. Sometimes it may be the right thing to do, other times not. What I don't believe in is a "we're alright Jack" attitude to the rest of the world and that means sometimes that means getting involved. In the case of Venezuela I believe we should give are moral backing to the democrat Guaido not the dictator Murado, even if Trump and the US support him too. | |||
"Socialism, an idea so good you have to tear gas your own citizens not to leave!. I'm no socialist but, to be fair, this is not about socialism or capitalism. It's about democracy or dictatorship. In fact Guaido is a socialist and his party is aligned with Corbyn's Labour party. The problem is is that some left of center supports hate Trump so much (something I share with them) that they're giving their backing to anyone who stands up to him without really looking at the issues. Unfortunately in this case that is leading them to back Maduro and his dictatorship. Do you agree with USA foreign intervention? It should be for Venezuelans to sort out and the un peacekeeping if violence breaks out. I agree that socialist or capitalism is irrelevant. I have no blanket opinion on US or any countries intervention in other foreign countries. Sometimes it may be the right thing to do, other times not. What I don't believe in is a "we're alright Jack" attitude to the rest of the world and that means sometimes that means getting involved. In the case of Venezuela I believe we should give are moral backing to the democrat Guaido not the dictator Murado, even if Trump and the US support him too. " Get involved if we must, but via the UN and peacekeeping via blue helmets but not unilaterally by the USA. If the majority of Venezuelan citizens support Guaido then fair enough, it's their choice because I'm not Venezuelan but im not convinced Guaidodo has the majority of support . | |||
"Socialism, an idea so good you have to tear gas your own citizens not to leave!. I'm no socialist but, to be fair, this is not about socialism or capitalism. It's about democracy or dictatorship. In fact Guaido is a socialist and his party is aligned with Corbyn's Labour party. The problem is is that some left of center supports hate Trump so much (something I share with them) that they're giving their backing to anyone who stands up to him without really looking at the issues. Unfortunately in this case that is leading them to back Maduro and his dictatorship. Do you agree with USA foreign intervention? It should be for Venezuelans to sort out and the un peacekeeping if violence breaks out. I agree that socialist or capitalism is irrelevant. I have no blanket opinion on US or any countries intervention in other foreign countries. Sometimes it may be the right thing to do, other times not. What I don't believe in is a "we're alright Jack" attitude to the rest of the world and that means sometimes that means getting involved. In the case of Venezuela I believe we should give are moral backing to the democrat Guaido not the dictator Murado, even if Trump and the US support him too. " When was he elected??? | |||
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"Socialism, an idea so good you have to tear gas your own citizens not to leave!. I'm no socialist but, to be fair, this is not about socialism or capitalism. It's about democracy or dictatorship. In fact Guaido is a socialist and his party is aligned with Corbyn's Labour party. The problem is is that some left of center supports hate Trump so much (something I share with them) that they're giving their backing to anyone who stands up to him without really looking at the issues. Unfortunately in this case that is leading them to back Maduro and his dictatorship. Do you agree with USA foreign intervention? It should be for Venezuelans to sort out and the un peacekeeping if violence breaks out. I agree that socialist or capitalism is irrelevant. I have no blanket opinion on US or any countries intervention in other foreign countries. Sometimes it may be the right thing to do, other times not. What I don't believe in is a "we're alright Jack" attitude to the rest of the world and that means sometimes that means getting involved. In the case of Venezuela I believe we should give are moral backing to the democrat Guaido not the dictator Murado, even if Trump and the US support him too. When was he elected???" Exactly | |||
"Socialism, an idea so good you have to tear gas your own citizens not to leave!. I'm no socialist but, to be fair, this is not about socialism or capitalism. It's about democracy or dictatorship. In fact Guaido is a socialist and his party is aligned with Corbyn's Labour party. The problem is is that some left of center supports hate Trump so much (something I share with them) that they're giving their backing to anyone who stands up to him without really looking at the issues. Unfortunately in this case that is leading them to back Maduro and his dictatorship. Do you agree with USA foreign intervention? It should be for Venezuelans to sort out and the un peacekeeping if violence breaks out. I agree that socialist or capitalism is irrelevant. I have no blanket opinion on US or any countries intervention in other foreign countries. Sometimes it may be the right thing to do, other times not. What I don't believe in is a "we're alright Jack" attitude to the rest of the world and that means sometimes that means getting involved. In the case of Venezuela I believe we should give are moral backing to the democrat Guaido not the dictator Murado, even if Trump and the US support him too. When was he elected??? Exactly "This is what angers me. Leaders say, Venezuela is a dictatorship then support a new leader who never was elected. I don't think he even ran. They should support a new election. Not putting an unelected person in power. | |||
"think chavez managed to fuck the country up himself before he died without the usa,s help.Mr corbyn,s hero, a few years back it was his vision for the uk. So nothing to do with the sanctions the USA placed on Venezuela in 2014... Venuazela is not only inthis state but back terrorism,raies money through drug sales,etc.As well as starving and killing there own people thay are a threat to the whole of the Americas,yes for once Trump is 100% right More bullshit. The terrorist is the US state. Just like in Iran the USA is looking to topple the government by any means and install a puppet government. And what do Iran and Venezuela have in common? They both have massive oil reserves that they have refused to allow the US petrochemical industry to exploit and profit from. FFS there is even a video of Trump saying that the US should ferment, fund and support an insurrection in those countries then effectively invade and take 50 or 75% of the oil in payment and that the people will thank the US (and that is what should have been done in Libya).
You can put as many s as you like under his comments but they're still bullshit.
There were no sanctions applied by the US or anyone else against Venezuela in 2014. There were some sanctions applied against individual members of the Venezuelan Govetment in March 2015. There have been no national sanctions on trade or oil applied against Venezuela at all until this month (February 2019). They are the facts.
How do you explsin Bolton, who's admitted the US has interest in Venezuelas mineral wealth. Guido daid hed sell off to foreign companies and lrt in the IMF who will screw the citizens
But maybe I’m wrong. Possibly; US intervention will work out great after fucking it up like it did in Syria,
and Yemen,
and Iraq,
and Iran,
and Afghanistan,
and Chile,
and Honduras,
and Haiti,
and Somalia,
and Libya,
and Guatemala,
and Nicaragua,
and Colombia,
and Panama,
Maybe this time it'll work out
Btw, Bolton mentioned Nicaragua could be next
Why do I need to explain what Bolton says?
The argument I'm opposing is that US or other countries sanctions have caused the problems in Venezuela. How can that be true as prior to this month (February 2019) there have been no national sanctions against Venezuela imposed by the US or anyone else?
Ive got 21 may 2018.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/05/21/us/politics/trump-maduro-venezuela-sanctions.amp.html
They where not national sanctions, they where individuals sanctions intended to stop Mr. Maduro and his government from using a strategy they have pursued in the past to raise cash by selling debt of at a few cents to the dollar and to strip individuals in the Venezuelan Govetment of their ability to siphon money from the failing economy. No sanctions on the trading of goods, including oil, have been applied until this month (February 2019)"Then let's trace back why there are huge inflations. Maybe there were no national sanction. But I'm sure external parties have caused this. | |||
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"think chavez managed to fuck the country up himself before he died without the usa,s help.Mr corbyn,s hero, a few years back it was his vision for the uk. So nothing to do with the sanctions the USA placed on Venezuela in 2014... Venuazela is not only inthis state but back terrorism,raies money through drug sales,etc.As well as starving and killing there own people thay are a threat to the whole of the Americas,yes for once Trump is 100% right More bullshit. The terrorist is the US state. Just like in Iran the USA is looking to topple the government by any means and install a puppet government. And what do Iran and Venezuela have in common? They both have massive oil reserves that they have refused to allow the US petrochemical industry to exploit and profit from. FFS there is even a video of Trump saying that the US should ferment, fund and support an insurrection in those countries then effectively invade and take 50 or 75% of the oil in payment and that the people will thank the US (and that is what should have been done in Libya).
You can put as many s as you like under his comments but they're still bullshit.
There were no sanctions applied by the US or anyone else against Venezuela in 2014. There were some sanctions applied against individual members of the Venezuelan Govetment in March 2015. There have been no national sanctions on trade or oil applied against Venezuela at all until this month (February 2019). They are the facts.
How do you explsin Bolton, who's admitted the US has interest in Venezuelas mineral wealth. Guido daid hed sell off to foreign companies and lrt in the IMF who will screw the citizens
But maybe I’m wrong. Possibly; US intervention will work out great after fucking it up like it did in Syria,
and Yemen,
and Iraq,
and Iran,
and Afghanistan,
and Chile,
and Honduras,
and Haiti,
and Somalia,
and Libya,
and Guatemala,
and Nicaragua,
and Colombia,
and Panama,
Maybe this time it'll work out
Btw, Bolton mentioned Nicaragua could be next
Why do I need to explain what Bolton says?
The argument I'm opposing is that US or other countries sanctions have caused the problems in Venezuela. How can that be true as prior to this month (February 2019) there have been no national sanctions against Venezuela imposed by the US or anyone else?
Ive got 21 may 2018.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/05/21/us/politics/trump-maduro-venezuela-sanctions.amp.html
They where not national sanctions, they where individuals sanctions intended to stop Mr. Maduro and his government from using a strategy they have pursued in the past to raise cash by selling debt of at a few cents to the dollar and to strip individuals in the Venezuelan Govetment of their ability to siphon money from the failing economy. No sanctions on the trading of goods, including oil, have been applied until this month (February 2019)
Then let's trace back why there are huge inflations. Maybe there were no national sanction. But I'm sure external parties have caused this."How can you be SURE? I believe the huge inflammation has been caused by bad Govetment policy, as it is in most countries. However I don't know for SURE. What I do know for SURE is that it was not caused by economic sanctions imposed by the US or anyone else because, prior to this month (February 2019), there were no sanctions being applied. | |||
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"think chavez managed to fuck the country up himself before he died without the usa,s help.Mr corbyn,s hero, a few years back it was his vision for the uk. So nothing to do with the sanctions the USA placed on Venezuela in 2014... Venuazela is not only inthis state but back terrorism,raies money through drug sales,etc.As well as starving and killing there own people thay are a threat to the whole of the Americas,yes for once Trump is 100% right More bullshit. The terrorist is the US state. Just like in Iran the USA is looking to topple the government by any means and install a puppet government. And what do Iran and Venezuela have in common? They both have massive oil reserves that they have refused to allow the US petrochemical industry to exploit and profit from. FFS there is even a video of Trump saying that the US should ferment, fund and support an insurrection in those countries then effectively invade and take 50 or 75% of the oil in payment and that the people will thank the US (and that is what should have been done in Libya).
You can put as many s as you like under his comments but they're still bullshit.
There were no sanctions applied by the US or anyone else against Venezuela in 2014. There were some sanctions applied against individual members of the Venezuelan Govetment in March 2015. There have been no national sanctions on trade or oil applied against Venezuela at all until this month (February 2019). They are the facts.
How do you explsin Bolton, who's admitted the US has interest in Venezuelas mineral wealth. Guido daid hed sell off to foreign companies and lrt in the IMF who will screw the citizens
But maybe I’m wrong. Possibly; US intervention will work out great after fucking it up like it did in Syria,
and Yemen,
and Iraq,
and Iran,
and Afghanistan,
and Chile,
and Honduras,
and Haiti,
and Somalia,
and Libya,
and Guatemala,
and Nicaragua,
and Colombia,
and Panama,
Maybe this time it'll work out
Btw, Bolton mentioned Nicaragua could be next
Why do I need to explain what Bolton says?
The argument I'm opposing is that US or other countries sanctions have caused the problems in Venezuela. How can that be true as prior to this month (February 2019) there have been no national sanctions against Venezuela imposed by the US or anyone else?
Ive got 21 may 2018.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/05/21/us/politics/trump-maduro-venezuela-sanctions.amp.html
They where not national sanctions, they where individuals sanctions intended to stop Mr. Maduro and his government from using a strategy they have pursued in the past to raise cash by selling debt of at a few cents to the dollar and to strip individuals in the Venezuelan Govetment of their ability to siphon money from the failing economy. No sanctions on the trading of goods, including oil, have been applied until this month (February 2019)
Then let's trace back why there are huge inflations. Maybe there were no national sanction. But I'm sure external parties have caused this.
How can you be SURE? I believe the huge inflammation has been caused by bad Govetment policy, as it is in most countries. However I don't know for SURE. What I do know for SURE is that it was not caused by economic sanctions imposed by the US or anyone else because, prior to this month (February 2019), there were no sanctions being applied."Are you SURE Guaido has the majority of support from Venezuelans, and what entitles him to be the intrim (for how long?) president just because the USA say so? | |||
"think chavez managed to fuck the country up himself before he died without the usa,s help.Mr corbyn,s hero, a few years back it was his vision for the uk. So nothing to do with the sanctions the USA placed on Venezuela in 2014... Venuazela is not only inthis state but back terrorism,raies money through drug sales,etc.As well as starving and killing there own people thay are a threat to the whole of the Americas,yes for once Trump is 100% right More bullshit. The terrorist is the US state. Just like in Iran the USA is looking to topple the government by any means and install a puppet government. And what do Iran and Venezuela have in common? They both have massive oil reserves that they have refused to allow the US petrochemical industry to exploit and profit from. FFS there is even a video of Trump saying that the US should ferment, fund and support an insurrection in those countries then effectively invade and take 50 or 75% of the oil in payment and that the people will thank the US (and that is what should have been done in Libya).
You can put as many s as you like under his comments but they're still bullshit.
There were no sanctions applied by the US or anyone else against Venezuela in 2014. There were some sanctions applied against individual members of the Venezuelan Govetment in March 2015. There have been no national sanctions on trade or oil applied against Venezuela at all until this month (February 2019). They are the facts.
How do you explsin Bolton, who's admitted the US has interest in Venezuelas mineral wealth. Guido daid hed sell off to foreign companies and lrt in the IMF who will screw the citizens
But maybe I’m wrong. Possibly; US intervention will work out great after fucking it up like it did in Syria,
and Yemen,
and Iraq,
and Iran,
and Afghanistan,
and Chile,
and Honduras,
and Haiti,
and Somalia,
and Libya,
and Guatemala,
and Nicaragua,
and Colombia,
and Panama,
Maybe this time it'll work out
Btw, Bolton mentioned Nicaragua could be next
Why do I need to explain what Bolton says?
The argument I'm opposing is that US or other countries sanctions have caused the problems in Venezuela. How can that be true as prior to this month (February 2019) there have been no national sanctions against Venezuela imposed by the US or anyone else?
Ive got 21 may 2018.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/05/21/us/politics/trump-maduro-venezuela-sanctions.amp.html
They where not national sanctions, they where individuals sanctions intended to stop Mr. Maduro and his government from using a strategy they have pursued in the past to raise cash by selling debt of at a few cents to the dollar and to strip individuals in the Venezuelan Govetment of their ability to siphon money from the failing economy. No sanctions on the trading of goods, including oil, have been applied until this month (February 2019)
Then let's trace back why there are huge inflations. Maybe there were no national sanction. But I'm sure external parties have caused this.
How can you be SURE? I believe the huge inflammation has been caused by bad Govetment policy, as it is in most countries. However I don't know for SURE. What I do know for SURE is that it was not caused by economic sanctions imposed by the US or anyone else because, prior to this month (February 2019), there were no sanctions being applied.
Are you SURE Guaido has the majority of support from Venezuelans, and what entitles him to be the intrim (for how long?) president besides the USA?
"One thing for sure is the US has been meddling in the affairs of Venezuela for 20 years.If it was just another banana republic they wouldn't give a toss.We all know what's is so precious about Venezuela and that's petrodollars... | |||
"think chavez managed to fuck the country up himself before he died without the usa,s help.Mr corbyn,s hero, a few years back it was his vision for the uk. So nothing to do with the sanctions the USA placed on Venezuela in 2014... Venuazela is not only inthis state but back terrorism,raies money through drug sales,etc.As well as starving and killing there own people thay are a threat to the whole of the Americas,yes for once Trump is 100% right More bullshit. The terrorist is the US state. Just like in Iran the USA is looking to topple the government by any means and install a puppet government. And what do Iran and Venezuela have in common? They both have massive oil reserves that they have refused to allow the US petrochemical industry to exploit and profit from. FFS there is even a video of Trump saying that the US should ferment, fund and support an insurrection in those countries then effectively invade and take 50 or 75% of the oil in payment and that the people will thank the US (and that is what should have been done in Libya).
You can put as many s as you like under his comments but they're still bullshit.
There were no sanctions applied by the US or anyone else against Venezuela in 2014. There were some sanctions applied against individual members of the Venezuelan Govetment in March 2015. There have been no national sanctions on trade or oil applied against Venezuela at all until this month (February 2019). They are the facts.
How do you explsin Bolton, who's admitted the US has interest in Venezuelas mineral wealth. Guido daid hed sell off to foreign companies and lrt in the IMF who will screw the citizens
But maybe I’m wrong. Possibly; US intervention will work out great after fucking it up like it did in Syria,
and Yemen,
and Iraq,
and Iran,
and Afghanistan,
and Chile,
and Honduras,
and Haiti,
and Somalia,
and Libya,
and Guatemala,
and Nicaragua,
and Colombia,
and Panama,
Maybe this time it'll work out
Btw, Bolton mentioned Nicaragua could be next
Why do I need to explain what Bolton says?
The argument I'm opposing is that US or other countries sanctions have caused the problems in Venezuela. How can that be true as prior to this month (February 2019) there have been no national sanctions against Venezuela imposed by the US or anyone else?
Ive got 21 may 2018.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/05/21/us/politics/trump-maduro-venezuela-sanctions.amp.html
They where not national sanctions, they where individuals sanctions intended to stop Mr. Maduro and his government from using a strategy they have pursued in the past to raise cash by selling debt of at a few cents to the dollar and to strip individuals in the Venezuelan Govetment of their ability to siphon money from the failing economy. No sanctions on the trading of goods, including oil, have been applied until this month (February 2019)
Then let's trace back why there are huge inflations. Maybe there were no national sanction. But I'm sure external parties have caused this.
How can you be SURE? I believe the huge inflammation has been caused by bad Govetment policy, as it is in most countries. However I don't know for SURE. What I do know for SURE is that it was not caused by economic sanctions imposed by the US or anyone else because, prior to this month (February 2019), there were no sanctions being applied.
Are you SURE Guaido has the majority of support from Venezuelans, and what entitles him to be the intrim (for how long?) president just because the USA say so?
"I've not claimed at any point I'm SURE about anything except that Venezuela is not in the mess it's in because of US sanctions because, up until this month 0(February 2019) there haven't been any. That being said it seems that Maduro tried to change the constitution of the country to remain in power beyond his legal term. He is not Governing or in power in accordance with his own counties law. | |||
"think chavez managed to fuck the country up himself before he died without the usa,s help.Mr corbyn,s hero, a few years back it was his vision for the uk. So nothing to do with the sanctions the USA placed on Venezuela in 2014... Venuazela is not only inthis state but back terrorism,raies money through drug sales,etc.As well as starving and killing there own people thay are a threat to the whole of the Americas,yes for once Trump is 100% right More bullshit. The terrorist is the US state. Just like in Iran the USA is looking to topple the government by any means and install a puppet government. And what do Iran and Venezuela have in common? They both have massive oil reserves that they have refused to allow the US petrochemical industry to exploit and profit from. FFS there is even a video of Trump saying that the US should ferment, fund and support an insurrection in those countries then effectively invade and take 50 or 75% of the oil in payment and that the people will thank the US (and that is what should have been done in Libya).
You can put as many s as you like under his comments but they're still bullshit.
There were no sanctions applied by the US or anyone else against Venezuela in 2014. There were some sanctions applied against individual members of the Venezuelan Govetment in March 2015. There have been no national sanctions on trade or oil applied against Venezuela at all until this month (February 2019). They are the facts.
How do you explsin Bolton, who's admitted the US has interest in Venezuelas mineral wealth. Guido daid hed sell off to foreign companies and lrt in the IMF who will screw the citizens
But maybe I’m wrong. Possibly; US intervention will work out great after fucking it up like it did in Syria,
and Yemen,
and Iraq,
and Iran,
and Afghanistan,
and Chile,
and Honduras,
and Haiti,
and Somalia,
and Libya,
and Guatemala,
and Nicaragua,
and Colombia,
and Panama,
Maybe this time it'll work out
Btw, Bolton mentioned Nicaragua could be next
Why do I need to explain what Bolton says?
The argument I'm opposing is that US or other countries sanctions have caused the problems in Venezuela. How can that be true as prior to this month (February 2019) there have been no national sanctions against Venezuela imposed by the US or anyone else?
Ive got 21 may 2018.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/05/21/us/politics/trump-maduro-venezuela-sanctions.amp.html
They where not national sanctions, they where individuals sanctions intended to stop Mr. Maduro and his government from using a strategy they have pursued in the past to raise cash by selling debt of at a few cents to the dollar and to strip individuals in the Venezuelan Govetment of their ability to siphon money from the failing economy. No sanctions on the trading of goods, including oil, have been applied until this month (February 2019)
Then let's trace back why there are huge inflations. Maybe there were no national sanction. But I'm sure external parties have caused this.
How can you be SURE? I believe the huge inflammation has been caused by bad Govetment policy, as it is in most countries. However I don't know for SURE. What I do know for SURE is that it was not caused by economic sanctions imposed by the US or anyone else because, prior to this month (February 2019), there were no sanctions being applied.
Are you SURE Guaido has the majority of support from Venezuelans, and what entitles him to be the intrim (for how long?) president besides the USA?
One thing for sure is the US has been meddling in the affairs of Venezuela for 20 years.If it was just another banana republic they wouldn't give a toss.We all know what's is so precious about Venezuela and that's petrodollars..."We don't know that for sure either, although you may be correct. The only thing we do know for sure is that the original reason given by those supporting Mudaro, that the problems in Venezuela were caused by US sanctions isn't true and that those who put it forward are either lying or have not looked into the facts before reaching their conclusions and deciding who to give their backing to in this crisis. | |||
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"Is this all about human rights and democracy? If so, then why aren't the USA not trying to overthrow the Saudi regime? They're not a democracy, human rights are virtually non existant, they can murder journalists, behead people because they're gay ffs and get completely away with it! why not start there with threats n sanctions? Instead of arse kissing them! " I'd back them if they did but I do wonder if you would. I'm pretty sure you'd back anyone if they were anti US and particularly anti Trump, even Saudi. It seems a bit like whataboutery to me. | |||
"Is this all about human rights and democracy? If so, then why aren't the USA not trying to overthrow the Saudi regime? They're not a democracy, human rights are virtually non existant, they can murder journalists, behead people because they're gay ffs and get completely away with it! why not start there with threats n sanctions? Instead of arse kissing them! I'd back them if they did but I do wonder if you would. I'm pretty sure you'd back anyone if they were anti US and particularly anti Trump, even Saudi. It seems a bit like whataboutery to me. " That's your answer is it? Your wandering into bollocks territory yourself. | |||
"Is this all about human rights and democracy? If so, then why aren't the USA not trying to overthrow the Saudi regime? They're not a democracy, human rights are virtually non existant, they can murder journalists, behead people because they're gay ffs and get completely away with it! why not start there with threats n sanctions? Instead of arse kissing them! I'd back them if they did but I do wonder if you would. I'm pretty sure you'd back anyone if they were anti US and particularly anti Trump, even Saudi. It seems a bit like whataboutery to me. " I presented you with facts and that's your whataboutry reply.  | |||
"Is this all about human rights and democracy? If so, then why aren't the USA not trying to overthrow the Saudi regime? They're not a democracy, human rights are virtually non existant, they can murder journalists, behead people because they're gay ffs and get completely away with it! why not start there with threats n sanctions? Instead of arse kissing them! I'd back them if they did but I do wonder if you would. I'm pretty sure you'd back anyone if they were anti US and particularly anti Trump, even Saudi. It seems a bit like whataboutery to me. That's your answer is it? Your wandering into bollocks territory yourself. " The only bollocks on this thread has been by those supporting Maduro and trying to claim that the problems in Venezuela have been caused by US sanctions when no US sanctions actually existed until this month (February 2019). Being so totally wrong about such a fundamental and easily verifiable point does bring into question the rest of their assessments of the Venezuelan situation. | |||
"think chavez managed to fuck the country up himself before he died without the usa,s help.Mr corbyn,s hero, a few years back it was his vision for the uk. So nothing to do with the sanctions the USA placed on Venezuela in 2014... Venuazela is not only inthis state but back terrorism,raies money through drug sales,etc.As well as starving and killing there own people thay are a threat to the whole of the Americas,yes for once Trump is 100% right More bullshit. The terrorist is the US state. Just like in Iran the USA is looking to topple the government by any means and install a puppet government. And what do Iran and Venezuela have in common? They both have massive oil reserves that they have refused to allow the US petrochemical industry to exploit and profit from. FFS there is even a video of Trump saying that the US should ferment, fund and support an insurrection in those countries then effectively invade and take 50 or 75% of the oil in payment and that the people will thank the US (and that is what should have been done in Libya).
You can put as many s as you like under his comments but they're still bullshit.
There were no sanctions applied by the US or anyone else against Venezuela in 2014. There were some sanctions applied against individual members of the Venezuelan Govetment in March 2015. There have been no national sanctions on trade or oil applied against Venezuela at all until this month (February 2019). They are the facts.
How do you explsin Bolton, who's admitted the US has interest in Venezuelas mineral wealth. Guido daid hed sell off to foreign companies and lrt in the IMF who will screw the citizens
But maybe I’m wrong. Possibly; US intervention will work out great after fucking it up like it did in Syria,
and Yemen,
and Iraq,
and Iran,
and Afghanistan,
and Chile,
and Honduras,
and Haiti,
and Somalia,
and Libya,
and Guatemala,
and Nicaragua,
and Colombia,
and Panama,
Maybe this time it'll work out
Btw, Bolton mentioned Nicaragua could be next
Why do I need to explain what Bolton says?
The argument I'm opposing is that US or other countries sanctions have caused the problems in Venezuela. How can that be true as prior to this month (February 2019) there have been no national sanctions against Venezuela imposed by the US or anyone else?
Ive got 21 may 2018.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/05/21/us/politics/trump-maduro-venezuela-sanctions.amp.html
They where not national sanctions, they where individuals sanctions intended to stop Mr. Maduro and his government from using a strategy they have pursued in the past to raise cash by selling debt of at a few cents to the dollar and to strip individuals in the Venezuelan Govetment of their ability to siphon money from the failing economy. No sanctions on the trading of goods, including oil, have been applied until this month (February 2019)
Then let's trace back why there are huge inflations. Maybe there were no national sanction. But I'm sure external parties have caused this.
How can you be SURE? I believe the huge inflammation has been caused by bad Govetment policy, as it is in most countries. However I don't know for SURE. What I do know for SURE is that it was not caused by economic sanctions imposed by the US or anyone else because, prior to this month (February 2019), there were no sanctions being applied.
Are you SURE Guaido has the majority of support from Venezuelans, and what entitles him to be the intrim (for how long?) president besides the USA?
One thing for sure is the US has been meddling in the affairs of Venezuela for 20 years.If it was just another banana republic they wouldn't give a toss.We all know what's is so precious about Venezuela and that's petrodollars...
We don't know that for sure either, although you may be correct. The only thing we do know for sure is that the original reason given by those supporting Mudaro, that the problems in Venezuela were caused by US sanctions isn't true and that those who put it forward are either lying or have not looked into the facts before reaching their conclusions and deciding who to give their backing to in this crisis.
"We absolutely do know they've been meddling in Venezuela.They meddle in just about every country in the region that shows dissent against the US. | |||
"Is this all about human rights and democracy? If so, then why aren't the USA not trying to overthrow the Saudi regime? They're not a democracy, human rights are virtually non existant, they can murder journalists, behead people because they're gay ffs and get completely away with it! why not start there with threats n sanctions? Instead of arse kissing them! I'd back them if they did but I do wonder if you would. I'm pretty sure you'd back anyone if they were anti US and particularly anti Trump, even Saudi. It seems a bit like whataboutery to me. That's your answer is it? Your wandering into bollocks territory yourself. The only bollocks on this thread has been by those supporting Maduro and trying to claim that the problems in Venezuela have been caused by US sanctions when no US sanctions actually existed until this month (February 2019). Being so totally wrong about such a fundamental and easily verifiable point does bring into question the rest of their assessments of the Venezuelan situation. " Did i say you were wrong on the sanctions point? You stated 'democratic guaido' in one of your posts when he's unelected. Why is the usa so hypocritical on foreign affairs? You gave a wishy washy answer. You referring to guaido as "democratic guaido" tells me you know little about the Venezuelan issue | |||
"think chavez managed to fuck the country up himself before he died without the usa,s help.Mr corbyn,s hero, a few years back it was his vision for the uk. So nothing to do with the sanctions the USA placed on Venezuela in 2014... Venuazela is not only inthis state but back terrorism,raies money through drug sales,etc.As well as starving and killing there own people thay are a threat to the whole of the Americas,yes for once Trump is 100% right More bullshit. The terrorist is the US state. Just like in Iran the USA is looking to topple the government by any means and install a puppet government. And what do Iran and Venezuela have in common? They both have massive oil reserves that they have refused to allow the US petrochemical industry to exploit and profit from. FFS there is even a video of Trump saying that the US should ferment, fund and support an insurrection in those countries then effectively invade and take 50 or 75% of the oil in payment and that the people will thank the US (and that is what should have been done in Libya).
You can put as many s as you like under his comments but they're still bullshit.
There were no sanctions applied by the US or anyone else against Venezuela in 2014. There were some sanctions applied against individual members of the Venezuelan Govetment in March 2015. There have been no national sanctions on trade or oil applied against Venezuela at all until this month (February 2019). They are the facts.
How do you explsin Bolton, who's admitted the US has interest in Venezuelas mineral wealth. Guido daid hed sell off to foreign companies and lrt in the IMF who will screw the citizens
But maybe I’m wrong. Possibly; US intervention will work out great after fucking it up like it did in Syria,
and Yemen,
and Iraq,
and Iran,
and Afghanistan,
and Chile,
and Honduras,
and Haiti,
and Somalia,
and Libya,
and Guatemala,
and Nicaragua,
and Colombia,
and Panama,
Maybe this time it'll work out
Btw, Bolton mentioned Nicaragua could be next
Why do I need to explain what Bolton says?
The argument I'm opposing is that US or other countries sanctions have caused the problems in Venezuela. How can that be true as prior to this month (February 2019) there have been no national sanctions against Venezuela imposed by the US or anyone else?
Ive got 21 may 2018.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/05/21/us/politics/trump-maduro-venezuela-sanctions.amp.html
They where not national sanctions, they where individuals sanctions intended to stop Mr. Maduro and his government from using a strategy they have pursued in the past to raise cash by selling debt of at a few cents to the dollar and to strip individuals in the Venezuelan Govetment of their ability to siphon money from the failing economy. No sanctions on the trading of goods, including oil, have been applied until this month (February 2019)
Then let's trace back why there are huge inflations. Maybe there were no national sanction. But I'm sure external parties have caused this.
How can you be SURE? I believe the huge inflammation has been caused by bad Govetment policy, as it is in most countries. However I don't know for SURE. What I do know for SURE is that it was not caused by economic sanctions imposed by the US or anyone else because, prior to this month (February 2019), there were no sanctions being applied.
Are you SURE Guaido has the majority of support from Venezuelans, and what entitles him to be the intrim (for how long?) president besides the USA?
One thing for sure is the US has been meddling in the affairs of Venezuela for 20 years.If it was just another banana republic they wouldn't give a toss.We all know what's is so precious about Venezuela and that's petrodollars...
We don't know that for sure either, although you may be correct. The only thing we do know for sure is that the original reason given by those supporting Mudaro, that the problems in Venezuela were caused by US sanctions isn't true and that those who put it forward are either lying or have not looked into the facts before reaching their conclusions and deciding who to give their backing to in this crisis.
We absolutely do know they've been meddling in Venezuela.They meddle in just about every country in the region that shows dissent against the US.
"You seem to be getting believe, supposition and knowledge intermixed. We don't know that the US has meddled in Venezuelan affairs for 20 years. We may believe that they have and we may suppose that they have but, unless there is evidence, we don't know that they have. As I keep saying, the only thing we do know is that Venezuela is not in the mess it's in due to US sanctions because, up and until this month (February 2019), there haven't been any. | |||
"think chavez managed to fuck the country up himself before he died without the usa,s help.Mr corbyn,s hero, a few years back it was his vision for the uk. So nothing to do with the sanctions the USA placed on Venezuela in 2014... Venuazela is not only inthis state but back terrorism,raies money through drug sales,etc.As well as starving and killing there own people thay are a threat to the whole of the Americas,yes for once Trump is 100% right More bullshit. The terrorist is the US state. Just like in Iran the USA is looking to topple the government by any means and install a puppet government. And what do Iran and Venezuela have in common? They both have massive oil reserves that they have refused to allow the US petrochemical industry to exploit and profit from. FFS there is even a video of Trump saying that the US should ferment, fund and support an insurrection in those countries then effectively invade and take 50 or 75% of the oil in payment and that the people will thank the US (and that is what should have been done in Libya).
You can put as many s as you like under his comments but they're still bullshit.
There were no sanctions applied by the US or anyone else against Venezuela in 2014. There were some sanctions applied against individual members of the Venezuelan Govetment in March 2015. There have been no national sanctions on trade or oil applied against Venezuela at all until this month (February 2019). They are the facts.
How do you explsin Bolton, who's admitted the US has interest in Venezuelas mineral wealth. Guido daid hed sell off to foreign companies and lrt in the IMF who will screw the citizens
But maybe I’m wrong. Possibly; US intervention will work out great after fucking it up like it did in Syria,
and Yemen,
and Iraq,
and Iran,
and Afghanistan,
and Chile,
and Honduras,
and Haiti,
and Somalia,
and Libya,
and Guatemala,
and Nicaragua,
and Colombia,
and Panama,
Maybe this time it'll work out
Btw, Bolton mentioned Nicaragua could be next
Why do I need to explain what Bolton says?
The argument I'm opposing is that US or other countries sanctions have caused the problems in Venezuela. How can that be true as prior to this month (February 2019) there have been no national sanctions against Venezuela imposed by the US or anyone else?
Ive got 21 may 2018.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/05/21/us/politics/trump-maduro-venezuela-sanctions.amp.html
They where not national sanctions, they where individuals sanctions intended to stop Mr. Maduro and his government from using a strategy they have pursued in the past to raise cash by selling debt of at a few cents to the dollar and to strip individuals in the Venezuelan Govetment of their ability to siphon money from the failing economy. No sanctions on the trading of goods, including oil, have been applied until this month (February 2019)
Then let's trace back why there are huge inflations. Maybe there were no national sanction. But I'm sure external parties have caused this.
How can you be SURE? I believe the huge inflammation has been caused by bad Govetment policy, as it is in most countries. However I don't know for SURE. What I do know for SURE is that it was not caused by economic sanctions imposed by the US or anyone else because, prior to this month (February 2019), there were no sanctions being applied.
Are you SURE Guaido has the majority of support from Venezuelans, and what entitles him to be the intrim (for how long?) president besides the USA?
One thing for sure is the US has been meddling in the affairs of Venezuela for 20 years.If it was just another banana republic they wouldn't give a toss.We all know what's is so precious about Venezuela and that's petrodollars...
We don't know that for sure either, although you may be correct. The only thing we do know for sure is that the original reason given by those supporting Mudaro, that the problems in Venezuela were caused by US sanctions isn't true and that those who put it forward are either lying or have not looked into the facts before reaching their conclusions and deciding who to give their backing to in this crisis.
We absolutely do know they've been meddling in Venezuela.They meddle in just about every country in the region that shows dissent against the US.
You seem to be getting believe, supposition and knowledge intermixed. We don't know that the US has meddled in Venezuelan affairs for 20 years. We may believe that they have and we may suppose that they have but, unless there is evidence, we don't know that they have.
As I keep saying, the only thing we do know is that Venezuela is not in the mess it's in due to US sanctions because, up and until this month (February 2019), there haven't been any.
"Do you not consider it meddling when the U.S. says that another country’s president is not really the president? | |||
"think chavez managed to fuck the country up himself before he died without the usa,s help.Mr corbyn,s hero, a few years back it was his vision for the uk. So nothing to do with the sanctions the USA placed on Venezuela in 2014... Venuazela is not only inthis state but back terrorism,raies money through drug sales,etc.As well as starving and killing there own people thay are a threat to the whole of the Americas,yes for once Trump is 100% right More bullshit. The terrorist is the US state. Just like in Iran the USA is looking to topple the government by any means and install a puppet government. And what do Iran and Venezuela have in common? They both have massive oil reserves that they have refused to allow the US petrochemical industry to exploit and profit from. FFS there is even a video of Trump saying that the US should ferment, fund and support an insurrection in those countries then effectively invade and take 50 or 75% of the oil in payment and that the people will thank the US (and that is what should have been done in Libya).
You can put as many s as you like under his comments but they're still bullshit.
There were no sanctions applied by the US or anyone else against Venezuela in 2014. There were some sanctions applied against individual members of the Venezuelan Govetment in March 2015. There have been no national sanctions on trade or oil applied against Venezuela at all until this month (February 2019). They are the facts.
How do you explsin Bolton, who's admitted the US has interest in Venezuelas mineral wealth. Guido daid hed sell off to foreign companies and lrt in the IMF who will screw the citizens
But maybe I’m wrong. Possibly; US intervention will work out great after fucking it up like it did in Syria,
and Yemen,
and Iraq,
and Iran,
and Afghanistan,
and Chile,
and Honduras,
and Haiti,
and Somalia,
and Libya,
and Guatemala,
and Nicaragua,
and Colombia,
and Panama,
Maybe this time it'll work out
Btw, Bolton mentioned Nicaragua could be next
Why do I need to explain what Bolton says?
The argument I'm opposing is that US or other countries sanctions have caused the problems in Venezuela. How can that be true as prior to this month (February 2019) there have been no national sanctions against Venezuela imposed by the US or anyone else?
Ive got 21 may 2018.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/05/21/us/politics/trump-maduro-venezuela-sanctions.amp.html
They where not national sanctions, they where individuals sanctions intended to stop Mr. Maduro and his government from using a strategy they have pursued in the past to raise cash by selling debt of at a few cents to the dollar and to strip individuals in the Venezuelan Govetment of their ability to siphon money from the failing economy. No sanctions on the trading of goods, including oil, have been applied until this month (February 2019)
Then let's trace back why there are huge inflations. Maybe there were no national sanction. But I'm sure external parties have caused this.
How can you be SURE? I believe the huge inflammation has been caused by bad Govetment policy, as it is in most countries. However I don't know for SURE. What I do know for SURE is that it was not caused by economic sanctions imposed by the US or anyone else because, prior to this month (February 2019), there were no sanctions being applied.
Are you SURE Guaido has the majority of support from Venezuelans, and what entitles him to be the intrim (for how long?) president besides the USA?
One thing for sure is the US has been meddling in the affairs of Venezuela for 20 years.If it was just another banana republic they wouldn't give a toss.We all know what's is so precious about Venezuela and that's petrodollars...
We don't know that for sure either, although you may be correct. The only thing we do know for sure is that the original reason given by those supporting Mudaro, that the problems in Venezuela were caused by US sanctions isn't true and that those who put it forward are either lying or have not looked into the facts before reaching their conclusions and deciding who to give their backing to in this crisis.
We absolutely do know they've been meddling in Venezuela.They meddle in just about every country in the region that shows dissent against the US.
You seem to be getting believe, supposition and knowledge intermixed. We don't know that the US has meddled in Venezuelan affairs for 20 years. We may believe that they have and we may suppose that they have but, unless there is evidence, we don't know that they have.
As I keep saying, the only thing we do know is that Venezuela is not in the mess it's in due to US sanctions because, up and until this month (February 2019), there haven't been any.
Do you not consider it meddling when the U.S. says that another country’s president is not really the president?
"But, according to Venezuelan law Mudaro is not president and is only still in power by making illegal changes to the Venezuelan Constitution. That's what the whole crisis is about. Mudaro is trying to stay in power beyond his legal term. Guaido is pushing for the proper implementation of the Venezuelan Constitution and the rule of law. | |||
"think chavez managed to fuck the country up himself before he died without the usa,s help.Mr corbyn,s hero, a few years back it was his vision for the uk. So nothing to do with the sanctions the USA placed on Venezuela in 2014... Venuazela is not only inthis state but back terrorism,raies money through drug sales,etc.As well as starving and killing there own people thay are a threat to the whole of the Americas,yes for once Trump is 100% right More bullshit. The terrorist is the US state. Just like in Iran the USA is looking to topple the government by any means and install a puppet government. And what do Iran and Venezuela have in common? They both have massive oil reserves that they have refused to allow the US petrochemical industry to exploit and profit from. FFS there is even a video of Trump saying that the US should ferment, fund and support an insurrection in those countries then effectively invade and take 50 or 75% of the oil in payment and that the people will thank the US (and that is what should have been done in Libya).
You can put as many s as you like under his comments but they're still bullshit.
There were no sanctions applied by the US or anyone else against Venezuela in 2014. There were some sanctions applied against individual members of the Venezuelan Govetment in March 2015. There have been no national sanctions on trade or oil applied against Venezuela at all until this month (February 2019). They are the facts.
How do you explsin Bolton, who's admitted the US has interest in Venezuelas mineral wealth. Guido daid hed sell off to foreign companies and lrt in the IMF who will screw the citizens
But maybe I’m wrong. Possibly; US intervention will work out great after fucking it up like it did in Syria,
and Yemen,
and Iraq,
and Iran,
and Afghanistan,
and Chile,
and Honduras,
and Haiti,
and Somalia,
and Libya,
and Guatemala,
and Nicaragua,
and Colombia,
and Panama,
Maybe this time it'll work out
Btw, Bolton mentioned Nicaragua could be next
Why do I need to explain what Bolton says?
The argument I'm opposing is that US or other countries sanctions have caused the problems in Venezuela. How can that be true as prior to this month (February 2019) there have been no national sanctions against Venezuela imposed by the US or anyone else?
Ive got 21 may 2018.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/05/21/us/politics/trump-maduro-venezuela-sanctions.amp.html
They where not national sanctions, they where individuals sanctions intended to stop Mr. Maduro and his government from using a strategy they have pursued in the past to raise cash by selling debt of at a few cents to the dollar and to strip individuals in the Venezuelan Govetment of their ability to siphon money from the failing economy. No sanctions on the trading of goods, including oil, have been applied until this month (February 2019)
Then let's trace back why there are huge inflations. Maybe there were no national sanction. But I'm sure external parties have caused this.
How can you be SURE? I believe the huge inflammation has been caused by bad Govetment policy, as it is in most countries. However I don't know for SURE. What I do know for SURE is that it was not caused by economic sanctions imposed by the US or anyone else because, prior to this month (February 2019), there were no sanctions being applied.
Are you SURE Guaido has the majority of support from Venezuelans, and what entitles him to be the intrim (for how long?) president besides the USA?
One thing for sure is the US has been meddling in the affairs of Venezuela for 20 years.If it was just another banana republic they wouldn't give a toss.We all know what's is so precious about Venezuela and that's petrodollars...
We don't know that for sure either, although you may be correct. The only thing we do know for sure is that the original reason given by those supporting Mudaro, that the problems in Venezuela were caused by US sanctions isn't true and that those who put it forward are either lying or have not looked into the facts before reaching their conclusions and deciding who to give their backing to in this crisis.
We absolutely do know they've been meddling in Venezuela.They meddle in just about every country in the region that shows dissent against the US.
You seem to be getting believe, supposition and knowledge intermixed. We don't know that the US has meddled in Venezuelan affairs for 20 years. We may believe that they have and we may suppose that they have but, unless there is evidence, we don't know that they have.
As I keep saying, the only thing we do know is that Venezuela is not in the mess it's in due to US sanctions because, up and until this month (February 2019), there haven't been any.
Do you not consider it meddling when the U.S. says that another country’s president is not really the president?
But, according to Venezuelan law Mudaro is not president and is only still in power by making illegal changes to the Venezuelan Constitution. That's what the whole crisis is about. Mudaro is trying to stay in power beyond his legal term. Guaido is pushing for the proper implementation of the Venezuelan Constitution and the rule of law.
"Ill have a look into your claim about Venezuelan law. But in the meantime, why does the un support Maduro over Guaido? https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/02/01/587387/UN-reject-Guaido-cooperate-Maduro | |||
"think chavez managed to fuck the country up himself before he died without the usa,s help.Mr corbyn,s hero, a few years back it was his vision for the uk. So nothing to do with the sanctions the USA placed on Venezuela in 2014... Venuazela is not only inthis state but back terrorism,raies money through drug sales,etc.As well as starving and killing there own people thay are a threat to the whole of the Americas,yes for once Trump is 100% right More bullshit. The terrorist is the US state. Just like in Iran the USA is looking to topple the government by any means and install a puppet government. And what do Iran and Venezuela have in common? They both have massive oil reserves that they have refused to allow the US petrochemical industry to exploit and profit from. FFS there is even a video of Trump saying that the US should ferment, fund and support an insurrection in those countries then effectively invade and take 50 or 75% of the oil in payment and that the people will thank the US (and that is what should have been done in Libya).
You can put as many s as you like under his comments but they're still bullshit.
There were no sanctions applied by the US or anyone else against Venezuela in 2014. There were some sanctions applied against individual members of the Venezuelan Govetment in March 2015. There have been no national sanctions on trade or oil applied against Venezuela at all until this month (February 2019). They are the facts.
How do you explsin Bolton, who's admitted the US has interest in Venezuelas mineral wealth. Guido daid hed sell off to foreign companies and lrt in the IMF who will screw the citizens
But maybe I’m wrong. Possibly; US intervention will work out great after fucking it up like it did in Syria,
and Yemen,
and Iraq,
and Iran,
and Afghanistan,
and Chile,
and Honduras,
and Haiti,
and Somalia,
and Libya,
and Guatemala,
and Nicaragua,
and Colombia,
and Panama,
Maybe this time it'll work out
Btw, Bolton mentioned Nicaragua could be next
Why do I need to explain what Bolton says?
The argument I'm opposing is that US or other countries sanctions have caused the problems in Venezuela. How can that be true as prior to this month (February 2019) there have been no national sanctions against Venezuela imposed by the US or anyone else?
Ive got 21 may 2018.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/05/21/us/politics/trump-maduro-venezuela-sanctions.amp.html
They where not national sanctions, they where individuals sanctions intended to stop Mr. Maduro and his government from using a strategy they have pursued in the past to raise cash by selling debt of at a few cents to the dollar and to strip individuals in the Venezuelan Govetment of their ability to siphon money from the failing economy. No sanctions on the trading of goods, including oil, have been applied until this month (February 2019)
Then let's trace back why there are huge inflations. Maybe there were no national sanction. But I'm sure external parties have caused this.
How can you be SURE? I believe the huge inflammation has been caused by bad Govetment policy, as it is in most countries. However I don't know for SURE. What I do know for SURE is that it was not caused by economic sanctions imposed by the US or anyone else because, prior to this month (February 2019), there were no sanctions being applied.
Are you SURE Guaido has the majority of support from Venezuelans, and what entitles him to be the intrim (for how long?) president besides the USA?
One thing for sure is the US has been meddling in the affairs of Venezuela for 20 years.If it was just another banana republic they wouldn't give a toss.We all know what's is so precious about Venezuela and that's petrodollars...
We don't know that for sure either, although you may be correct. The only thing we do know for sure is that the original reason given by those supporting Mudaro, that the problems in Venezuela were caused by US sanctions isn't true and that those who put it forward are either lying or have not looked into the facts before reaching their conclusions and deciding who to give their backing to in this crisis.
We absolutely do know they've been meddling in Venezuela.They meddle in just about every country in the region that shows dissent against the US.
You seem to be getting believe, supposition and knowledge intermixed. We don't know that the US has meddled in Venezuelan affairs for 20 years. We may believe that they have and we may suppose that they have but, unless there is evidence, we don't know that they have.
As I keep saying, the only thing we do know is that Venezuela is not in the mess it's in due to US sanctions because, up and until this month (February 2019), there haven't been any.
Do you not consider it meddling when the U.S. says that another country’s president is not really the president?
But, according to Venezuelan law Mudaro is not president and is only still in power by making illegal changes to the Venezuelan Constitution. That's what the whole crisis is about. Mudaro is trying to stay in power beyond his legal term. Guaido is pushing for the proper implementation of the Venezuelan Constitution and the rule of law.
Ill have a look into your claim about Venezuelan law.
But in the meantime, why does the un support Maduro over Guaido?
https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/02/01/587387/UN-reject-Guaido-cooperate-Maduro
"Because Mudaro is still actually in power and, for the UN, unless some resolution saying otherwise is passed, it has to deal with the person actually holding the leavers of power. | |||
" Because Mudaro is still actually in power and, for the UN, unless some resolution saying otherwise is passed, it has to deal with the person actually holding the leavers of power. " A different approach to the American led Iraq invasion disaster based on lies is welcome as far as I'm concerned. Amazing how history can repeat itself. | |||
"Is this all about human rights and democracy? If so, then why aren't the USA not trying to overthrow the Saudi regime? They're not a democracy, human rights are virtually non existant, they can murder journalists, behead people because they're gay ffs and get completely away with it! why not start there with threats n sanctions? Instead of arse kissing them! I'd back them if they did but I do wonder if you would. I'm pretty sure you'd back anyone if they were anti US and particularly anti Trump, even Saudi. It seems a bit like whataboutery to me. That's your answer is it? Your wandering into bollocks territory yourself. The only bollocks on this thread has been by those supporting Maduro and trying to claim that the problems in Venezuela have been caused by US sanctions when no US sanctions actually existed until this month (February 2019). Being so totally wrong about such a fundamental and easily verifiable point does bring into question the rest of their assessments of the Venezuelan situation. " It is you who is talking bollocks , you do not know what you are talking about as regards Venezuela. You do not have a clue how the global political system works so i suggest you do some serious study, maybe you should do a phd like i did a number of years ago. The usa has been interfering in the internal affairs of Venezuela for years and has been destroying the economy bit by bit to try and install a puppet government. The us has no right to interfere and should stop interfering. | |||
"Is this all about human rights and democracy? If so, then why aren't the USA not trying to overthrow the Saudi regime? They're not a democracy, human rights are virtually non existant, they can murder journalists, behead people because they're gay ffs and get completely away with it! why not start there with threats n sanctions? Instead of arse kissing them! I'd back them if they did but I do wonder if you would. I'm pretty sure you'd back anyone if they were anti US and particularly anti Trump, even Saudi. It seems a bit like whataboutery to me. That's your answer is it? Your wandering into bollocks territory yourself. The only bollocks on this thread has been by those supporting Maduro and trying to claim that the problems in Venezuela have been caused by US sanctions when no US sanctions actually existed until this month (February 2019). Being so totally wrong about such a fundamental and easily verifiable point does bring into question the rest of their assessments of the Venezuelan situation. It is you who is talking bollocks , you do not know what you are talking about as regards Venezuela. You do not have a clue how the global political system works so i suggest you do some serious study, maybe you should do a phd like i did a number of years ago. The usa has been interfering in the internal affairs of Venezuela for years and has been destroying the economy bit by bit to try and install a puppet government. The us has no right to interfere and should stop interfering." Maybe you should provide some evidence to support these accusations then we could all judge for ourselves the veracity of your claims. All I'm saying is that, as no US sanctions have been applied against Venezuela until this month (February 2019) they can not, as has been alleged by Mudaro supporters on here, be the cause of Venezuela's economic collapse. As for your ad hominem arguments, if you want to believe that, because I've pointed out the very easily verifiable fact that US sanctions can not be cause of Venezuela's problems, therefore I don't know what I'm talking about; that's your choice but to me it looks like the boot is on the other foot. | |||
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"Craken you show once again that your knowledge of politics is small. You are completely wrong to say that the usa has only just started to interfere with Venezuela when the truth is they have been involved for years and have slowly been collapsing the country from within. Sanctions are just one way the usa has used to collapse Venezuela, there are far better ways to collapse an economy and the usa are experts at it. You need to do alot more research into south american politics, you might learn something." I've made no comments at all about whether the US has only recently interfered in Venezuela, it may have been but the only firm allegations made by Mudaro's supporters on this thread is that Venezuela is suffering an economic crisis because of US imposed economic sanctions. As, up until this month (February 2019), there have not been any US economic sanctions that clearly can not be the cause of Venezuela's economic problems. If the actual cause of Venezuela's problems are due to some other action taken against Venezuela by the US, and it might be, then, rather than giving a general and totally unverifiably statement like "they have been involved for years", give some examples of what they have done and the source of the allegations so that we can check the veracity or otherwise of your claims. You can't expect people to just take your word for it, especially as the one example you have given, economic sanctions, has turned out to be completely false. | |||
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"Craken you show once again that your knowledge of politics is small. You are completely wrong to say that the usa has only just started to interfere with Venezuela when the truth is they have been involved for years and have slowly been collapsing the country from within. Sanctions are just one way the usa has used to collapse Venezuela, there are far better ways to collapse an economy and the usa are experts at it. You need to do alot more research into south american politics, you might learn something. I've made no comments at all about whether the US has only recently interfered in Venezuela, it may have been but the only firm allegations made by Mudaro's supporters on this thread is that Venezuela is suffering an economic crisis because of US imposed economic sanctions. As, up until this month (February 2019), there have not been any US economic sanctions that clearly can not be the cause of Venezuela's economic problems. If the actual cause of Venezuela's problems are due to some other action taken against Venezuela by the US, and it might be, then, rather than giving a general and totally unverifiably statement like "they have been involved for years", give some examples of what they have done and the source of the allegations so that we can check the veracity or otherwise of your claims. You can't expect people to just take your word for it, especially as the one example you have given, economic sanctions, has turned out to be completely false. " You keep talking about sanctions. It's one way. South American politics is a different ball game. See what happened in Chile. That was a success story to overturn a socialist government into an dictatorship. No sanctions were put but the CIA spent billions to ensure Allende was not going to get power. This was before he was elected and during his presidency. Look at history to see that the USA does not like pure socialism if it interferes with American businesses and they'll do anything to ensure they get it back. | |||
"Craken you show once again that your knowledge of politics is small. You are completely wrong to say that the usa has only just started to interfere with Venezuela when the truth is they have been involved for years and have slowly been collapsing the country from within. Sanctions are just one way the usa has used to collapse Venezuela, there are far better ways to collapse an economy and the usa are experts at it. You need to do alot more research into south american politics, you might learn something. I've made no comments at all about whether the US has only recently interfered in Venezuela, it may have been but the only firm allegations made by Mudaro's supporters on this thread is that Venezuela is suffering an economic crisis because of US imposed economic sanctions. As, up until this month (February 2019), there have not been any US economic sanctions that clearly can not be the cause of Venezuela's economic problems. If the actual cause of Venezuela's problems are due to some other action taken against Venezuela by the US, and it might be, then, rather than giving a general and totally unverifiably statement like "they have been involved for years", give some examples of what they have done and the source of the allegations so that we can check the veracity or otherwise of your claims. You can't expect people to just take your word for it, especially as the one example you have given, economic sanctions, has turned out to be completely false. You keep talking about sanctions. It's one way. South American politics is a different ball game. See what happened in Chile. That was a success story to overturn a socialist government into an dictatorship. No sanctions were put but the CIA spent billions to ensure Allende was not going to get power. This was before he was elected and during his presidency. Look at history to see that the USA does not like pure socialism if it interferes with American businesses and they'll do anything to ensure they get it back." I keep talking about [economic] sanctions because the original argument put forward on this thread was that Venezuela is in the mess it's in because of US economic sanctions but it can't be because of that because up until last month (February 2019) there where none. There may well be other things that the US has done to exasperated the situation in Venezuela (it does have a history of interference in Central & South America) but if so what? I also objected to the the claims that Guaido was some kind of far right, human rights abusing fascist who had had opponents tortured and burnt. He's not. Murdao is the human rights abuser and, in all but name, the fascist and Guaido is a Social Democrat who's party is aligned with the British Labour Party. And I'll keep saying that just because Trump and/or the US is backing Guaido over Mudaro doesn't mean that the left, or any democrat, should have to back Mudaro's dictatorship. We should be backing Guaido, the democrat. | |||
"Craken you show once again that your knowledge of politics is small. You are completely wrong to say that the usa has only just started to interfere with Venezuela when the truth is they have been involved for years and have slowly been collapsing the country from within. Sanctions are just one way the usa has used to collapse Venezuela, there are far better ways to collapse an economy and the usa are experts at it. You need to do alot more research into south american politics, you might learn something. I've made no comments at all about whether the US has only recently interfered in Venezuela, it may have been but the only firm allegations made by Mudaro's supporters on this thread is that Venezuela is suffering an economic crisis because of US imposed economic sanctions. As, up until this month (February 2019), there have not been any US economic sanctions that clearly can not be the cause of Venezuela's economic problems. If the actual cause of Venezuela's problems are due to some other action taken against Venezuela by the US, and it might be, then, rather than giving a general and totally unverifiably statement like "they have been involved for years", give some examples of what they have done and the source of the allegations so that we can check the veracity or otherwise of your claims. You can't expect people to just take your word for it, especially as the one example you have given, economic sanctions, has turned out to be completely false. You keep talking about sanctions. It's one way. South American politics is a different ball game. See what happened in Chile. That was a success story to overturn a socialist government into an dictatorship. No sanctions were put but the CIA spent billions to ensure Allende was not going to get power. This was before he was elected and during his presidency. Look at history to see that the USA does not like pure socialism if it interferes with American businesses and they'll do anything to ensure they get it back." Neo liberals ignore history .i pointed out Elliot Abrams and his involvement in Central America in El Salvador and Nicaragua and now Venezuela. | |||
"Craken you show once again that your knowledge of politics is small. You are completely wrong to say that the usa has only just started to interfere with Venezuela when the truth is they have been involved for years and have slowly been collapsing the country from within. Sanctions are just one way the usa has used to collapse Venezuela, there are far better ways to collapse an economy and the usa are experts at it. You need to do alot more research into south american politics, you might learn something. I've made no comments at all about whether the US has only recently interfered in Venezuela, it may have been but the only firm allegations made by Mudaro's supporters on this thread is that Venezuela is suffering an economic crisis because of US imposed economic sanctions. As, up until this month (February 2019), there have not been any US economic sanctions that clearly can not be the cause of Venezuela's economic problems. If the actual cause of Venezuela's problems are due to some other action taken against Venezuela by the US, and it might be, then, rather than giving a general and totally unverifiably statement like "they have been involved for years", give some examples of what they have done and the source of the allegations so that we can check the veracity or otherwise of your claims. You can't expect people to just take your word for it, especially as the one example you have given, economic sanctions, has turned out to be completely false. You keep talking about sanctions. It's one way. South American politics is a different ball game. See what happened in Chile. That was a success story to overturn a socialist government into an dictatorship. No sanctions were put but the CIA spent billions to ensure Allende was not going to get power. This was before he was elected and during his presidency. Look at history to see that the USA does not like pure socialism if it interferes with American businesses and they'll do anything to ensure they get it back. I keep talking about [economic] sanctions because the original argument put forward on this thread was that Venezuela is in the mess it's in because of US economic sanctions but it can't be because of that because up until last month (February 2019) there where none. There may well be other things that the US has done to exasperated the situation in Venezuela (it does have a history of interference in Central & South America) but if so what? I also objected to the the claims that Guaido was some kind of far right, human rights abusing fascist who had had opponents tortured and burnt. He's not. Murdao is the human rights abuser and, in all but name, the fascist and Guaido is a Social Democrat who's party is aligned with the British Labour Party. And I'll keep saying that just because Trump and/or the US is backing Guaido over Mudaro doesn't mean that the left, or any democrat, should have to back Mudaro's dictatorship. We should be backing Guaido, the democrat. " But the US don't care about dictatorship. They put dictatorships in to get what they want. They take out dictators that don't. So let's not hide their intentions behind human rights. In Chile they provided humanitarian aid in the 70 so they can have influence over the government. | |||
"Craken you show once again that your knowledge of politics is small. You are completely wrong to say that the usa has only just started to interfere with Venezuela when the truth is they have been involved for years and have slowly been collapsing the country from within. Sanctions are just one way the usa has used to collapse Venezuela, there are far better ways to collapse an economy and the usa are experts at it. You need to do alot more research into south american politics, you might learn something. I've made no comments at all about whether the US has only recently interfered in Venezuela, it may have been but the only firm allegations made by Mudaro's supporters on this thread is that Venezuela is suffering an economic crisis because of US imposed economic sanctions. As, up until this month (February 2019), there have not been any US economic sanctions that clearly can not be the cause of Venezuela's economic problems. If the actual cause of Venezuela's problems are due to some other action taken against Venezuela by the US, and it might be, then, rather than giving a general and totally unverifiably statement like "they have been involved for years", give some examples of what they have done and the source of the allegations so that we can check the veracity or otherwise of your claims. You can't expect people to just take your word for it, especially as the one example you have given, economic sanctions, has turned out to be completely false. You keep talking about sanctions. It's one way. South American politics is a different ball game. See what happened in Chile. That was a success story to overturn a socialist government into an dictatorship. No sanctions were put but the CIA spent billions to ensure Allende was not going to get power. This was before he was elected and during his presidency. Look at history to see that the USA does not like pure socialism if it interferes with American businesses and they'll do anything to ensure they get it back. I keep talking about [economic] sanctions because the original argument put forward on this thread was that Venezuela is in the mess it's in because of US economic sanctions but it can't be because of that because up until last month (February 2019) there where none. There may well be other things that the US has done to exasperated the situation in Venezuela (it does have a history of interference in Central & South America) but if so what? I also objected to the the claims that Guaido was some kind of far right, human rights abusing fascist who had had opponents tortured and burnt. He's not. Murdao is the human rights abuser and, in all but name, the fascist and Guaido is a Social Democrat who's party is aligned with the British Labour Party. And I'll keep saying that just because Trump and/or the US is backing Guaido over Mudaro doesn't mean that the left, or any democrat, should have to back Mudaro's dictatorship. We should be backing Guaido, the democrat. But the US don't care about dictatorship. They put dictatorships in to get what they want. They take out dictators that don't. So let's not hide their intentions behind human rights. In Chile they provided humanitarian aid in the 70 so they can have influence over the government." I am not defending the Venezuelan government by the way. If there are human rights issues then it should be resolved. Pinochet impacted over 200,000 people through exile, torture and killing. Where the USA is still protecting some of the people involved. Many of the people in charge are protected in the US. The US never meddled with Pinochet during his time in charge. | |||
