FabSwingers.com > Forums > Politics > The Socialist Conservative Party
The Socialist Conservative Party
Jump to: Newest in thread
Time for a new party. Focussed on a low tax, high growth strategy. Investment in public services and public welfare while at the same time promoting entrepreneurship and economic growth. Promoting an end to austerity. Delivering for all people. Making decisions that will encourage self sustainability. Honouring the result of the Brexit referendum but not making a horlicks of it. Working towards a compassionate open society. With an undertaking to always answer a public question honestly even ofbthe answer is Not what people want to hear. Not quite a manifesto but anyone willing to vote for it over the shambles which is the status quo. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
It.sounds better than the current conservative party.
We now need leaders who will truly lead the people, having the strength to make decisions that are in some ways unpopular with people and business communities though. The world is under severe threat from our species and drastic changes to our way of living is needed very quickly. A real leader will not be afraid to communicate and lead people, rather than staying silent and facilitating the collapse of many species and our climate directed such that much of life on earth is unsustainable. Continuing with the status quo has an equivalence to those who were silent during the great atrocities of the past. Silent inaction condemns billions of future people to suffer, struggle or die, many displaced from their natural homelands, not to mention extinctions of plant and animal species.
The priorities need to be for appropriate changes and investments now, that help to marshall a future world of opportunities for all people and other species. This will be somewhat unpalatable for some people, meaning that taxes will be directed and likely levied differently, to discourage or apportion costs towards investments into more sustainable development and lifestyles. These are tough calls but more of what we've always done is barbaric and a premeditated decision to make future generations and the rest of the species on this planet pay for our wilful selfishness.
True leaders are not selfish nor afraid to speak on what may be disliked, where they have a moral compass that guides them.
A new conservative party would insist on conserving the world for all |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
 |
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Time for a new party. Focussed on a low tax, high growth strategy. Investment in public services and public welfare while at the same time promoting entrepreneurship and economic growth. Promoting an end to austerity. Delivering for all people. Making decisions that will encourage self sustainability. Honouring the result of the Brexit referendum but not making a horlicks of it. Working towards a compassionate open society. With an undertaking to always answer a public question honestly even ofbthe answer is Not what people want to hear. Not quite a manifesto but anyone willing to vote for it over the shambles which is the status quo."
.
Honestly it sounds like some bollocks you've read on Facebook!.
Personally I hear you can't trust that shit and it sounds like it's
from the alt left who've got no idea about maths let alone running a country. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Sounds good, but how do you do low taxes, high public investment, and end to austerity?
Unless you tax the highest earners more to pay for it...and that's what Labour are currently offering... "
.
Yep great idea, until they all just take their money and fuck off, been tried in Venezuela and every communist country in history, always turned out, err slightly shittly for everybody expect the wealthy! |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Time for a new party. Focussed on a low tax, high growth strategy. Investment in public services and public welfare while at the same time promoting entrepreneurship and economic growth. Promoting an end to austerity. Delivering for all people. Making decisions that will encourage self sustainability. Honouring the result of the Brexit referendum but not making a horlicks of it. Working towards a compassionate open society. With an undertaking to always answer a public question honestly even ofbthe answer is Not what people want to hear. Not quite a manifesto but anyone willing to vote for it over the shambles which is the status quo..
Honestly it sounds like some bollocks you've read on Facebook!.
Personally I hear you can't trust that shit and it sounds like it's
from the alt left who've got no idea about maths let alone running a country."
One of the very few times we'll agree |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"How do you get high levels of public service from low levels of tax?
"
Especially while continuing down the route of Brexit.
Your original post sounds a bit like Donald Trumps electioneering. Promising everything to everyone. The reality is much different. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Sounds good, but how do you do low taxes, high public investment, and end to austerity?
Unless you tax the highest earners more to pay for it...and that's what Labour are currently offering... .
Yep great idea, until they all just take their money and fuck off, been tried in Venezuela and every communist country in history, always turned out, err slightly shittly for everybody expect the wealthy! "
That's exactly what would happen under a Corbyn Labour government. The only avenue left for Labour would be to borrow the money. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Sounds good, but how do you do low taxes, high public investment, and end to austerity?
Unless you tax the highest earners more to pay for it...and that's what Labour are currently offering... .
Yep great idea, until they all just take their money and fuck off, been tried in Venezuela and every communist country in history, always turned out, err slightly shittly for everybody expect the wealthy!
That's exactly what would happen under a Corbyn Labour government. The only avenue left for Labour would be to borrow the money. "
If you look at the facts have created more debt on average and failed to pay it back as much as Labour governments. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"Sounds good, but how do you do low taxes, high public investment, and end to austerity?
Unless you tax the highest earners more to pay for it...and that's what Labour are currently offering... .
Yep great idea, until they all just take their money and fuck off, been tried in Venezuela and every communist country in history, always turned out, err slightly shittly for everybody expect the wealthy!
That's exactly what would happen under a Corbyn Labour government. The only avenue left for Labour would be to borrow the money.
If you look at the facts have created more debt on average and failed to pay it back as much as Labour governments."
Haven't the Tory governments since Cameron borrowed more than all Labour governments combined....? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Sounds good, but how do you do low taxes, high public investment, and end to austerity?
Unless you tax the highest earners more to pay for it...and that's what Labour are currently offering... .
Yep great idea, until they all just take their money and fuck off, been tried in Venezuela and every communist country in history, always turned out, err slightly shittly for everybody expect the wealthy!
That's exactly what would happen under a Corbyn Labour government. The only avenue left for Labour would be to borrow the money.
If you look at the facts have created more debt on average and failed to pay it back as much as Labour governments.
Haven't the Tory governments since Cameron borrowed more than all Labour governments combined....?"
Yep. And not payed as much back
And only furthered the tightening of the average persons purse string, leading to slower growths.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Sounds good, but how do you do low taxes, high public investment, and end to austerity?
Unless you tax the highest earners more to pay for it...and that's what Labour are currently offering... .
Yep great idea, until they all just take their money and fuck off, been tried in Venezuela and every communist country in history, always turned out, err slightly shittly for everybody expect the wealthy!
That's exactly what would happen under a Corbyn Labour government. The only avenue left for Labour would be to borrow the money.
If you look at the facts have created more debt on average and failed to pay it back as much as Labour governments.
Haven't the Tory governments since Cameron borrowed more than all Labour governments combined....?"
Come on now, using facts and information is against the rules here. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Sounds good, but how do you do low taxes, high public investment, and end to austerity?
Unless you tax the highest earners more to pay for it...and that's what Labour are currently offering... .
Yep great idea, until they all just take their money and fuck off, been tried in Venezuela and every communist country in history, always turned out, err slightly shittly for everybody expect the wealthy!
That's exactly what would happen under a Corbyn Labour government. The only avenue left for Labour would be to borrow the money.
If you look at the facts have created more debt on average and failed to pay it back as much as Labour governments.
Haven't the Tory governments since Cameron borrowed more than all Labour governments combined....?
Come on now, using facts and information is against the rules here."
Do you know I wish oh wish that Gordon Brown had won in 2010 and had to clean up his own shit that he left instead of getting someone else to do it. I knew this crap going on now was going to happen. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Sounds good, but how do you do low taxes, high public investment, and end to austerity?
Unless you tax the highest earners more to pay for it...and that's what Labour are currently offering... .
Yep great idea, until they all just take their money and fuck off, been tried in Venezuela and every communist country in history, always turned out, err slightly shittly for everybody expect the wealthy!
That's exactly what would happen under a Corbyn Labour government. The only avenue left for Labour would be to borrow the money.
If you look at the facts have created more debt on average and failed to pay it back as much as Labour governments.
Haven't the Tory governments since Cameron borrowed more than all Labour governments combined....?
Come on now, using facts and information is against the rules here.
Do you know I wish oh wish that Gordon Brown had won in 2010 and had to clean up his own shit that he left instead of getting someone else to do it. I knew this crap going on now was going to happen."
His own shit? Please elaborate? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Sounds good, but how do you do low taxes, high public investment, and end to austerity?
Unless you tax the highest earners more to pay for it...and that's what Labour are currently offering... .
Yep great idea, until they all just take their money and fuck off, been tried in Venezuela and every communist country in history, always turned out, err slightly shittly for everybody expect the wealthy!
That's exactly what would happen under a Corbyn Labour government. The only avenue left for Labour would be to borrow the money.
If you look at the facts have created more debt on average and failed to pay it back as much as Labour governments.
Haven't the Tory governments since Cameron borrowed more than all Labour governments combined....?
Come on now, using facts and information is against the rules here.
Do you know I wish oh wish that Gordon Brown had won in 2010 and had to clean up his own shit that he left instead of getting someone else to do it. I knew this crap going on now was going to happen."
"The same goes for that most controversial of Brown's policies as prime minister – to offset a global recession by cutting taxes and creating jobs for young people. That decision has never got the credit it deserves. As the former Bank of England policy-maker Danny Blanchflower notes in the most recent New Statesman, the budget stimulus led to Britain's economy actually growing 3.1% between the autumns of 2009 and 2010. Under the coalition in the year afterwards, it grew 0.3%."
Hid reaction to the 2008 crash (that was a global issue) is generally deemed to have been somewhat of a success. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Sounds good, but how do you do low taxes, high public investment, and end to austerity?
Unless you tax the highest earners more to pay for it...and that's what Labour are currently offering... .
Yep great idea, until they all just take their money and fuck off, been tried in Venezuela and every communist country in history, always turned out, err slightly shittly for everybody expect the wealthy!
That's exactly what would happen under a Corbyn Labour government. The only avenue left for Labour would be to borrow the money.
If you look at the facts have created more debt on average and failed to pay it back as much as Labour governments.
Haven't the Tory governments since Cameron borrowed more than all Labour governments combined....?
Come on now, using facts and information is against the rules here.
Do you know I wish oh wish that Gordon Brown had won in 2010 and had to clean up his own shit that he left instead of getting someone else to do it. I knew this crap going on now was going to happen.
"The same goes for that most controversial of Brown's policies as prime minister – to offset a global recession by cutting taxes and creating jobs for young people. That decision has never got the credit it deserves. As the former Bank of England policy-maker Danny Blanchflower notes in the most recent New Statesman, the budget stimulus led to Britain's economy actually growing 3.1% between the autumns of 2009 and 2010. Under the coalition in the year afterwards, it grew 0.3%."
Hid reaction to the 2008 crash (that was a global issue) is generally deemed to have been somewhat of a success. "
It did need to be paid back though.
Perhaps that process started too early and focused on the wrong places but it would need to happen.
The interesting and difficult point is balancing where government spending and running a deficit provides the conditions for growth to more than pay for it. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Sounds good, but how do you do low taxes, high public investment, and end to austerity?
Unless you tax the highest earners more to pay for it...and that's what Labour are currently offering... .
Yep great idea, until they all just take their money and fuck off, been tried in Venezuela and every communist country in history, always turned out, err slightly shittly for everybody expect the wealthy!
That's exactly what would happen under a Corbyn Labour government. The only avenue left for Labour would be to borrow the money.
If you look at the facts have created more debt on average and failed to pay it back as much as Labour governments.
Haven't the Tory governments since Cameron borrowed more than all Labour governments combined....?
Come on now, using facts and information is against the rules here.
Do you know I wish oh wish that Gordon Brown had won in 2010 and had to clean up his own shit that he left instead of getting someone else to do it. I knew this crap going on now was going to happen.
His own shit? Please elaborate?"
It was Gordon Brown's Labour government that left a note in the Treasury in 2010 for the incoming Conservative/Lib dem coalition saying "there is no money left". |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Sounds good, but how do you do low taxes, high public investment, and end to austerity?
Unless you tax the highest earners more to pay for it...and that's what Labour are currently offering... .
Yep great idea, until they all just take their money and fuck off, been tried in Venezuela and every communist country in history, always turned out, err slightly shittly for everybody expect the wealthy!
That's exactly what would happen under a Corbyn Labour government. The only avenue left for Labour would be to borrow the money.
If you look at the facts have created more debt on average and failed to pay it back as much as Labour governments.
Haven't the Tory governments since Cameron borrowed more than all Labour governments combined....?
Come on now, using facts and information is against the rules here.
Do you know I wish oh wish that Gordon Brown had won in 2010 and had to clean up his own shit that he left instead of getting someone else to do it. I knew this crap going on now was going to happen.
His own shit? Please elaborate?
It was Gordon Brown's Labour government that left a note in the Treasury in 2010 for the incoming Conservative/Lib dem coalition saying "there is no money left". "
That was a joke in reference to a 1964 note left by the Conservatives to the Wilson government if you actually read about it. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Sounds good, but how do you do low taxes, high public investment, and end to austerity?
Unless you tax the highest earners more to pay for it...and that's what Labour are currently offering... .
Yep great idea, until they all just take their money and fuck off, been tried in Venezuela and every communist country in history, always turned out, err slightly shittly for everybody expect the wealthy!
That's exactly what would happen under a Corbyn Labour government. The only avenue left for Labour would be to borrow the money.
If you look at the facts have created more debt on average and failed to pay it back as much as Labour governments.
Haven't the Tory governments since Cameron borrowed more than all Labour governments combined....?
Come on now, using facts and information is against the rules here.
Do you know I wish oh wish that Gordon Brown had won in 2010 and had to clean up his own shit that he left instead of getting someone else to do it. I knew this crap going on now was going to happen.
"The same goes for that most controversial of Brown's policies as prime minister – to offset a global recession by cutting taxes and creating jobs for young people. That decision has never got the credit it deserves. As the former Bank of England policy-maker Danny Blanchflower notes in the most recent New Statesman, the budget stimulus led to Britain's economy actually growing 3.1% between the autumns of 2009 and 2010. Under the coalition in the year afterwards, it grew 0.3%."
Hid reaction to the 2008 crash (that was a global issue) is generally deemed to have been somewhat of a success. "
If Gordon Brown's government was so successful as you allude to in 2009/2010 before the general election then why did they leave a note in the Treasury saying "There is no money left" when they left office.
Also it was Gordon Brown's reckless deregulation of the banks which lead to the situation in the UK in 2008 during the global crash being much worse in the UK than it otherwise would have been had he not deregulated them. Gordon Brown also sold off all of our gold at rock bottom prices in case you forgot. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Sounds good, but how do you do low taxes, high public investment, and end to austerity?
Unless you tax the highest earners more to pay for it...and that's what Labour are currently offering... .
Yep great idea, until they all just take their money and fuck off, been tried in Venezuela and every communist country in history, always turned out, err slightly shittly for everybody expect the wealthy!
That's exactly what would happen under a Corbyn Labour government. The only avenue left for Labour would be to borrow the money.
If you look at the facts have created more debt on average and failed to pay it back as much as Labour governments.
Haven't the Tory governments since Cameron borrowed more than all Labour governments combined....?
Come on now, using facts and information is against the rules here.
Do you know I wish oh wish that Gordon Brown had won in 2010 and had to clean up his own shit that he left instead of getting someone else to do it. I knew this crap going on now was going to happen.
His own shit? Please elaborate?
It was Gordon Brown's Labour government that left a note in the Treasury in 2010 for the incoming Conservative/Lib dem coalition saying "there is no money left".
That was a joke in reference to a 1964 note left by the Conservatives to the Wilson government if you actually read about it."
It wasn't a joke, there really was no money left. Labour left the country in debt due to Gordon Brown's boom and bust philosophy. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"
It wasn't a joke, there really was no money left. Labour left the country in debt due to Gordon Brown's boom and bust philosophy. "
Classic rewriting of history.
I think you will find the financial crash was caused by the reckless behaviour of the City.
You know, those same ones who provide more than half the funds for the Conservative Party.
You know, the people in the Cabinet with the City on their C.V.
The same people who watered down the reforms designed to stop their chums from wrecking the country again.
The same people who phoned up Alastair Darling demanding to know what HE was going to do to stop their banks from going to wall.
He shook the same magic money tree that Mrs May did with the paramilitaries to keep her in No 10.
The alternative was no cash in the cash machines.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Socialists? Really?  "
The only socialists in the Labour party are champagne ones. Just look at Shami Chakrabarti and Diane Abbott paying to send their kids to private schools, Emily Thornberry with her multi million pound houses, and people like John Prescott with 2 Jaguars. Champagne socialists everywhere you look. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"How do you get high levels of public service from low levels of tax?
"
Borrowing to invest in infrastructure. And using the multiplier effect hopefully stimulate economic growth. A low tax environment will attract companies here and will create jobs. Maybe not perfect but worth looking into. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"If there was no money left in 2010 when the debt was £600 billion, what note will Hammond write when the debt is £2.1 trillion?"
He won't have to write a note because the Conservative party will win the next election. Jeremy Corbyn is not Prime minister material and the British public would never vote him in as Prime minister. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
It seemslabour spin doctors are very active even on Fab and are going into overdrive. Even the no money story has got a cheerful quip about something which happened back in the 60s and GB's bail out of the banks is seen as a Heroic act when all he was doing was slamming the brakes on an overheating economy and helping people like Fred the shred escape any real justice. The borrowing we have incurred is a direct result of his policies of spend spend spend which left the incumbent coalitions years of Austerity trying to sort it out.
It's almost laughable how Things get turned round by the spin doctors like Alistair Campbell. I just wish he'd won that's all so that he could be the one to put things right rather than pass the poisoned chalice to the coalition which tried desperately hard to get things back to how things should be. But that's the way British politics works except the next swing seems to be to an extreme left wing charicature labour party.
The bloke acted like a rakish squire in charge of the estates bank account. He squandered billions and billions on his pet projects such as working family tax credit which handed out billions everyone. It was laughable how complicated the system was and how open to abuse it was. I have first hand experience of it.
Toady Borrowing is back under control, Inflation is under control. This clearly will not be the case is John Mcdonnell gets his hands on the levers of finance. I shudder to think. If we think poverty will be solved by borrowing a shed load more money on Government Pet projects then we'd better think again because the big squanderers will be back in charge. This Country in 5 to 10 years time will be calling the IMF back in again, I Guarantee it. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"If there was no money left in 2010 when the debt was £600 billion, what note will Hammond write when the debt is £2.1 trillion?
He won't have to write a note because the Conservative party will win the next election. Jeremy Corbyn is not Prime minister material and the British public would never vote him in as Prime minister. "
 |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
Why not call it a Preservative party.
Where the said politician swears an oath. To uphold the principles and values of its manifesto.
To protect the country and it's citizens, and democratic voting system, with full transparency.
Where the media informs the population/voters, citizens in the UK. Also with total transparency, without bias, or prejudice.
We the people, have the right to be informed of the truth. Not lied to, or manipulated. By the Elite. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Sounds good, but how do you do low taxes, high public investment, and end to austerity?
Unless you tax the highest earners more to pay for it...and that's what Labour are currently offering... "
Scrap trident
Go after the mega rich tax dodgers
Build our own power stations
Take back railways into public hands (because the public purse is paying for them anyway)
. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Why not call it a Preservative party.
Where the said politician swears an oath. To uphold the principles and values of its manifesto.
To protect the country and it's citizens, and democratic voting system, with full transparency.
Where the media informs the population/voters, citizens in the UK. Also with total transparency, without bias, or prejudice.
We the people, have the right to be informed of the truth. Not lied to, or manipulated. By the Elite."
There is a new party on the horizon. It's simply called 'The Brexit party'. It's leader is Nigel Farage and was Registered with the electoral commission in the last few days. If the current shower of shit (both Tory and Labour) in Parliament won't deliver Brexit as promised in their 2017 general election manifestos, then The Brexit party will! |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Why not call it a Preservative party.
Where the said politician swears an oath. To uphold the principles and values of its manifesto.
To protect the country and it's citizens, and democratic voting system, with full transparency.
Where the media informs the population/voters, citizens in the UK. Also with total transparency, without bias, or prejudice.
We the people, have the right to be informed of the truth. Not lied to, or manipulated. By the Elite.
There is a new party on the horizon. It's simply called 'The Brexit party'. It's leader is Nigel Farage and was Registered with the electoral commission in the last few days. If the current shower of shit (both Tory and Labour) in Parliament won't deliver Brexit as promised in their 2017 general election manifestos, then The Brexit party will! "
I suspect they would win very few seats and stand no chance at a general election of getting in. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Why not call it a Preservative party.
Where the said politician swears an oath. To uphold the principles and values of its manifesto.
To protect the country and it's citizens, and democratic voting system, with full transparency.
Where the media informs the population/voters, citizens in the UK. Also with total transparency, without bias, or prejudice.
We the people, have the right to be informed of the truth. Not lied to, or manipulated. By the Elite.
There is a new party on the horizon. It's simply called 'The Brexit party'. It's leader is Nigel Farage and was Registered with the electoral commission in the last few days. If the current shower of shit (both Tory and Labour) in Parliament won't deliver Brexit as promised in their 2017 general election manifestos, then The Brexit party will! "
Well now he's soon to lose his ironic meps 'salary' and expenses (oft fraudulent yet to pay back) and Banks has his own issues just who will he turn to to fund it and him..
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Why not call it a Preservative party.
Where the said politician swears an oath. To uphold the principles and values of its manifesto.
To protect the country and it's citizens, and democratic voting system, with full transparency.
Where the media informs the population/voters, citizens in the UK. Also with total transparency, without bias, or prejudice.
We the people, have the right to be informed of the truth. Not lied to, or manipulated. By the Elite.
There is a new party on the horizon. It's simply called 'The Brexit party'. It's leader is Nigel Farage and was Registered with the electoral commission in the last few days. If the current shower of shit (both Tory and Labour) in Parliament won't deliver Brexit as promised in their 2017 general election manifestos, then The Brexit party will!
Well now he's soon to lose his ironic meps 'salary' and expenses (oft fraudulent yet to pay back) and Banks has his own issues just who will he turn to to fund it and him..
"
It'll be grassroots funded. I also suspect the Leave means Leave campaign group (which already has Hundreds of thousands, possibly over a million followers) will back this new Brexit party if Parliament don't deliver. If Brexit is not delivered I'll be joining as a member and making a personal donation myself. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Why not call it a Preservative party.
Where the said politician swears an oath. To uphold the principles and values of its manifesto.
To protect the country and it's citizens, and democratic voting system, with full transparency.
Where the media informs the population/voters, citizens in the UK. Also with total transparency, without bias, or prejudice.
We the people, have the right to be informed of the truth. Not lied to, or manipulated. By the Elite.
There is a new party on the horizon. It's simply called 'The Brexit party'. It's leader is Nigel Farage and was Registered with the electoral commission in the last few days. If the current shower of shit (both Tory and Labour) in Parliament won't deliver Brexit as promised in their 2017 general election manifestos, then The Brexit party will!
Well now he's soon to lose his ironic meps 'salary' and expenses (oft fraudulent yet to pay back) and Banks has his own issues just who will he turn to to fund it and him..
It'll be grassroots funded. I also suspect the Leave means Leave campaign group (which already has Hundreds of thousands, possibly over a million followers) will back this new Brexit party if Parliament don't deliver. If Brexit is not delivered I'll be joining as a member and making a personal donation myself. "
Surely they'll have to run checks on members and donors to be taken seriously? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Why not call it a Preservative party.
Where the said politician swears an oath. To uphold the principles and values of its manifesto.
To protect the country and it's citizens, and democratic voting system, with full transparency.
Where the media informs the population/voters, citizens in the UK. Also with total transparency, without bias, or prejudice.
We the people, have the right to be informed of the truth. Not lied to, or manipulated. By the Elite.
There is a new party on the horizon. It's simply called 'The Brexit party'. It's leader is Nigel Farage and was Registered with the electoral commission in the last few days. If the current shower of shit (both Tory and Labour) in Parliament won't deliver Brexit as promised in their 2017 general election manifestos, then The Brexit party will!
I suspect they would win very few seats and stand no chance at a general election of getting in."
I think you underestimate the sense of betrayal there is building up amongst leave voters in the country. If Brexit is not delivered there'll be a backlash against the establishment the like of which has never been seen before in this country. Farage has the backing of many former ukip figures who have left ukip since Gérard Batten brought Tommy Robinson in there. He will also get the backing of the Leave means Leave campaign/pressure group. If Brexit is not delivered it also has potential to split both the Conservative party and the Labour party, so eurosceptic MP's from those parties could potentially join. Nigel Farage already has plenty of experience of working with many of them like Peter Bone and Kate Hoey during the referendum campaign in 2016. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Why not call it a Preservative party.
Where the said politician swears an oath. To uphold the principles and values of its manifesto.
To protect the country and it's citizens, and democratic voting system, with full transparency.
Where the media informs the population/voters, citizens in the UK. Also with total transparency, without bias, or prejudice.
We the people, have the right to be informed of the truth. Not lied to, or manipulated. By the Elite.
There is a new party on the horizon. It's simply called 'The Brexit party'. It's leader is Nigel Farage and was Registered with the electoral commission in the last few days. If the current shower of shit (both Tory and Labour) in Parliament won't deliver Brexit as promised in their 2017 general election manifestos, then The Brexit party will!
Well now he's soon to lose his ironic meps 'salary' and expenses (oft fraudulent yet to pay back) and Banks has his own issues just who will he turn to to fund it and him..
It'll be grassroots funded. I also suspect the Leave means Leave campaign group (which already has Hundreds of thousands, possibly over a million followers) will back this new Brexit party if Parliament don't deliver. If Brexit is not delivered I'll be joining as a member and making a personal donation myself.
Surely they'll have to run checks on members and donors to be taken seriously?"
It's in today's newspapers. They're already doing that now. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Why not call it a Preservative party.
Where the said politician swears an oath. To uphold the principles and values of its manifesto.
To protect the country and it's citizens, and democratic voting system, with full transparency.
Where the media informs the population/voters, citizens in the UK. Also with total transparency, without bias, or prejudice.
We the people, have the right to be informed of the truth. Not lied to, or manipulated. By the Elite.
There is a new party on the horizon. It's simply called 'The Brexit party'. It's leader is Nigel Farage and was Registered with the electoral commission in the last few days. If the current shower of shit (both Tory and Labour) in Parliament won't deliver Brexit as promised in their 2017 general election manifestos, then The Brexit party will!
Well now he's soon to lose his ironic meps 'salary' and expenses (oft fraudulent yet to pay back) and Banks has his own issues just who will he turn to to fund it and him..
It'll be grassroots funded. I also suspect the Leave means Leave campaign group (which already has Hundreds of thousands, possibly over a million followers) will back this new Brexit party if Parliament don't deliver. If Brexit is not delivered I'll be joining as a member and making a personal donation myself.
Surely they'll have to run checks on members and donors to be taken seriously?
It's in today's newspapers. They're already doing that now. "
Will you be ok? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Why not call it a Preservative party.
Where the said politician swears an oath. To uphold the principles and values of its manifesto.
To protect the country and it's citizens, and democratic voting system, with full transparency.
Where the media informs the population/voters, citizens in the UK. Also with total transparency, without bias, or prejudice.
We the people, have the right to be informed of the truth. Not lied to, or manipulated. By the Elite.
There is a new party on the horizon. It's simply called 'The Brexit party'. It's leader is Nigel Farage and was Registered with the electoral commission in the last few days. If the current shower of shit (both Tory and Labour) in Parliament won't deliver Brexit as promised in their 2017 general election manifestos, then The Brexit party will!
Well now he's soon to lose his ironic meps 'salary' and expenses (oft fraudulent yet to pay back) and Banks has his own issues just who will he turn to to fund it and him..
It'll be grassroots funded. I also suspect the Leave means Leave campaign group (which already has Hundreds of thousands, possibly over a million followers) will back this new Brexit party if Parliament don't deliver. If Brexit is not delivered I'll be joining as a member and making a personal donation myself. "
You and I have discussed the whole brexit thing for a while, I said after the vote there would be a fudge which would assuage all but the hard line haters of the EU and that that would put it to bed which would benefit the whole country..
Have to admit that whilst I had not at the outset for saw how badly May and the tories would sort things I still think it will be resolved by Parliament..
It won't keep the likes of yourself happy but I think you and others would never be, unless the impact of how bad a no deal be that your 'managed one' actually affects you there seems to be no empathy for those it will hit badly..
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
upton wirral |
"Time for a new party. Focussed on a low tax, high growth strategy. Investment in public services and public welfare while at the same time promoting entrepreneurship and economic growth. Promoting an end to austerity. Delivering for all people. Making decisions that will encourage self sustainability. Honouring the result of the Brexit referendum but not making a horlicks of it. Working towards a compassionate open society. With an undertaking to always answer a public question honestly even ofbthe answer is Not what people want to hear. Not quite a manifesto but anyone willing to vote for it over the shambles which is the status quo."
Yes these are my views I will join this party if it ever comes into existance
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
upton wirral |
"Why not call it a Preservative party.
Where the said politician swears an oath. To uphold the principles and values of its manifesto.
To protect the country and it's citizens, and democratic voting system, with full transparency.
Where the media informs the population/voters, citizens in the UK. Also with total transparency, without bias, or prejudice.
We the people, have the right to be informed of the truth. Not lied to, or manipulated. By the Elite.
There is a new party on the horizon. It's simply called 'The Brexit party'. It's leader is Nigel Farage and was Registered with the electoral commission in the last few days. If the current shower of shit (both Tory and Labour) in Parliament won't deliver Brexit as promised in their 2017 general election manifestos, then The Brexit party will!
I suspect they would win very few seats and stand no chance at a general election of getting in.
I think you underestimate the sense of betrayal there is building up amongst leave voters in the country. If Brexit is not delivered there'll be a backlash against the establishment the like of which has never been seen before in this country. Farage has the backing of many former ukip figures who have left ukip since Gérard Batten brought Tommy Robinson in there. He will also get the backing of the Leave means Leave campaign/pressure group. If Brexit is not delivered it also has potential to split both the Conservative party and the Labour party, so eurosceptic MP's from those parties could potentially join. Nigel Farage already has plenty of experience of working with many of them like Peter Bone and Kate Hoey during the referendum campaign in 2016. "
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
upton wirral |
"It.sounds better than the current conservative party.
We now need leaders who will truly lead the people, having the strength to make decisions that are in some ways unpopular with people and business communities though. The world is under severe threat from our species and drastic changes to our way of living is needed very quickly. A real leader will not be afraid to communicate and lead people, rather than staying silent and facilitating the collapse of many species and our climate directed such that much of life on earth is unsustainable. Continuing with the status quo has an equivalence to those who were silent during the great atrocities of the past. Silent inaction condemns billions of future people to suffer, struggle or die, many displaced from their natural homelands, not to mention extinctions of plant and animal species.
The priorities need to be for appropriate changes and investments now, that help to marshall a future world of opportunities for all people and other species. This will be somewhat unpalatable for some people, meaning that taxes will be directed and likely levied differently, to discourage or apportion costs towards investments into more sustainable development and lifestyles. These are tough calls but more of what we've always done is barbaric and a premeditated decision to make future generations and the rest of the species on this planet pay for our wilful selfishness.
True leaders are not selfish nor afraid to speak on what may be disliked, where they have a moral compass that guides them.
A new conservative party would insist on conserving the world for all"
The problem is getting people to vote for this party it is to idealistic |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"It.sounds better than the current conservative party.
We now need leaders who will truly lead the people, having the strength to make decisions that are in some ways unpopular with people and business communities though. The world is under severe threat from our species and drastic changes to our way of living is needed very quickly. A real leader will not be afraid to communicate and lead people, rather than staying silent and facilitating the collapse of many species and our climate directed such that much of life on earth is unsustainable. Continuing with the status quo has an equivalence to those who were silent during the great atrocities of the past. Silent inaction condemns billions of future people to suffer, struggle or die, many displaced from their natural homelands, not to mention extinctions of plant and animal species.
The priorities need to be for appropriate changes and investments now, that help to marshall a future world of opportunities for all people and other species. This will be somewhat unpalatable for some people, meaning that taxes will be directed and likely levied differently, to discourage or apportion costs towards investments into more sustainable development and lifestyles. These are tough calls but more of what we've always done is barbaric and a premeditated decision to make future generations and the rest of the species on this planet pay for our wilful selfishness.
True leaders are not selfish nor afraid to speak on what may be disliked, where they have a moral compass that guides them.
A new conservative party would insist on conserving the world for allThe problem is getting people to vote for this party it is to idealistic"
Judging by your post on the other thread getting you to vote for anything is unbelievably easy...just lie. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
upton wirral |
"Sounds good, but how do you do low taxes, high public investment, and end to austerity?
Unless you tax the highest earners more to pay for it...and that's what Labour are currently offering... "
Easy if you invest you pay less tax this creates more jobs greater profit etc and therefore better welfare and public services.You also need consistent policy for a number of years.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
upton wirral |
"Sounds good, but how do you do low taxes, high public investment, and end to austerity?
Unless you tax the highest earners more to pay for it...and that's what Labour are currently offering... .
Yep great idea, until they all just take their money and fuck off, been tried in Venezuela and every communist country in history, always turned out, err slightly shittly for everybody expect the wealthy! "
Talking about Corbyn's labour party then(not joking) |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Sounds good, but how do you do low taxes, high public investment, and end to austerity?
Unless you tax the highest earners more to pay for it...and that's what Labour are currently offering... Easy if you invest you pay less tax this creates more jobs greater profit etc and therefore better welfare and public services.You also need consistent policy for a number of years.
"
So greater taxon profits? I am struggling to take you seriously after you posted believing an proven fake atricle on the is this true thread |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
upton wirral |
"
It wasn't a joke, there really was no money left. Labour left the country in debt due to Gordon Brown's boom and bust philosophy.
Classic rewriting of history.
I think you will find the financial crash was caused by the reckless behaviour of the City.
You know, those same ones who provide more than half the funds for the Conservative Party.
You know, the people in the Cabinet with the City on their C.V.
The same people who watered down the reforms designed to stop their chums from wrecking the country again.
The same people who phoned up Alastair Darling demanding to know what HE was going to do to stop their banks from going to wall.
He shook the same magic money tree that Mrs May did with the paramilitaries to keep her in No 10.
The alternative was no cash in the cash machines.
"
Rubbish Sarah you just look at the argument that suits your views,the severity of the crash was not just down to the banks,read Robert Pestons book on the subject |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
upton wirral |
"Socialists? Really?
The only socialists in the Labour party are champagne ones. Just look at Shami Chakrabarti and Diane Abbott paying to send their kids to private schools, Emily Thornberry with her multi million pound houses, and people like John Prescott with 2 Jaguars. Champagne socialists everywhere you look. "
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"
It wasn't a joke, there really was no money left. Labour left the country in debt due to Gordon Brown's boom and bust philosophy.
Classic rewriting of history.
I think you will find the financial crash was caused by the reckless behaviour of the City.
You know, those same ones who provide more than half the funds for the Conservative Party.
You know, the people in the Cabinet with the City on their C.V.
The same people who watered down the reforms designed to stop their chums from wrecking the country again.
The same people who phoned up Alastair Darling demanding to know what HE was going to do to stop their banks from going to wall.
He shook the same magic money tree that Mrs May did with the paramilitaries to keep her in No 10.
The alternative was no cash in the cash machines.
Rubbish Sarah you just look at the argument that suits your views,the severity of the crash was not just down to the banks,read Robert Pestons book on the subject"
What's rubbish in the above?
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"
It wasn't a joke, there really was no money left. Labour left the country in debt due to Gordon Brown's boom and bust philosophy.
Classic rewriting of history.
I think you will find the financial crash was caused by the reckless behaviour of the City.
You know, those same ones who provide more than half the funds for the Conservative Party.
You know, the people in the Cabinet with the City on their C.V.
The same people who watered down the reforms designed to stop their chums from wrecking the country again.
The same people who phoned up Alastair Darling demanding to know what HE was going to do to stop their banks from going to wall.
He shook the same magic money tree that Mrs May did with the paramilitaries to keep her in No 10.
The alternative was no cash in the cash machines.
Rubbish Sarah you just look at the argument that suits your views,the severity of the crash was not just down to the banks,read Robert Pestons book on the subject"
The crash was WHOLLY down to the banks. Why do you think that immediately post crash, lending virtually dried up on this side of the Atlantic and completely dried up in the US?
The crash was a direct consequence of irresponsible lending and the consequential realisation that £billions of inherited and acquired debt would never be recoverable. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
Indeed.
The financial sector had created illusion after illusion in order to generate false numbers on spreadsheets and collect their big bonuses.
When the financial sector fails, money dries up.
Only by turning on the tap of Government spending to replace it can an economy weather the storm. Unless you want recession to become a depression.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
» Add a new message to this topic
