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By *orwegian Blue OP Man
over a year ago
Iceland, but Aldi is closer.. |
The PM's proposed deal has been defeated in parliament this evening.
With no other option barring a no deal brexit, does this feel like a tactical vote to drive a second referendum by a parliament that has lost its desire to leave? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I would suggest it isn't tactical because it's such a massive margin.
A vote of no confidence has just been put in place regarding the government by the opposition.
if the Conservatives lose that Theresa May will have to resign instantly and a general election will be called so if it is Tactical it's risky. |
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By *orwegian Blue OP Man
over a year ago
Iceland, but Aldi is closer.. |
"No I don’t. I don’t think the government really expected Britain to vote out in the first place.
The whole thing is a disaster of a shit show. "
It seemed even the leavers didn't expect to win and when they did they nearly all disappeared never to be seen again leaving thone that had no desire to leave to try and negotiate a good deal for us.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think it was inevitable to be honest and I don’t think many of the politicians thought we would have the first referendum never mind vote to leave so I think a lot of them are hesitant about really trying to leave |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"possible general election if the no confidence in the government motion is passed.
Isn’t the next general election in 2022? "
Is the no confidence vote passes tomorrow in the government my understanding is there has to be a general election almost straight away. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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We ain't going nowhere! This is all tactics. We will have another referendum and we will remain. They make it this difficult to leave for a reason! So you don't leave. I think we will end up staying with conditions. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I think it was inevitable to be honest and I don’t think many of the politicians thought we would have the first referendum never mind vote to leave so I think a lot of them are hesitant about really trying to leave "
Yes it was definitely inevitable but I think the margin in the vote is bigger than everybody expected. That makes the difference. |
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By *orwegian Blue OP Man
over a year ago
Iceland, but Aldi is closer.. |
" I would suggest it isn't tactical because it's such a massive margin.
A vote of no confidence has just been put in place regarding the government by the opposition.
if the Conservatives lose that Theresa May will have to resign instantly and a general election will be called so if it is Tactical it's risky. "
If you can see a way of changing a decision you never agreed with and in your heart felt was in the best interests of the country, surely a change of PM is a small price to pay.
Labour have nothing better to offer with regards a deal that Brussels will accept so should an election be called early, it will be won on nothing more than popularity alone.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"possible general election if the no confidence in the government motion is passed.
Isn’t the next general election in 2022? "
Yes - unless the government loses a vote of confidence.
In reality though, the DUP have already confirmed that they would support the government in a confidence vote and I very much doubt that any Conservative MP would vote agaist their own party so it is highly likely that Corbyn will lose.
Which means, as she's already said this evening, TM will continue as PM. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"possible general election if the no confidence in the government motion is passed.
Isn’t the next general election in 2022? "
if a motion of no confidence in the government is passed tomorrow, under the new fix term parliament rules , there can be a general election.
I think it has to be a 2 thirds majority .
Which I can't see happening |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The PM's proposed deal has been defeated in parliament this evening.
With no other option barring a no deal brexit, does this feel like a tactical vote to drive a second referendum by a parliament that has lost its desire to leave? "
There is also the option of not leaving. No deal is far from the only option |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The scariest thing is that no single person in Westminster has a fucking clue how to even begin to get us out of this mess.
Not sure who's words are more laughable with the benefit of hindsight, May for promising us strong and stable or Cameron for warning us of the chaos a Labour government would have brought. |
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By *orwegian Blue OP Man
over a year ago
Iceland, but Aldi is closer.. |
"The PM's proposed deal has been defeated in parliament this evening.
With no other option barring a no deal brexit, does this feel like a tactical vote to drive a second referendum by a parliament that has lost its desire to leave?
There is also the option of not leaving. No deal is far from the only option"
The country spoke, they wanted to leave and parliament have to deliver on that wish.. it was the democratic vote.
So surely not to leave would require a second referendum.. parliament can't refuse to act on a democratic vote by the people, so another referendum would have to take place to ensure the will of the people hadn't changed.. |
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By *orwegian Blue OP Man
over a year ago
Iceland, but Aldi is closer.. |
"Get the politics out of the lounge 
I want to talk about favourite biscuits and wanking
Bore off  "
So when we eventually get out of Europe, what biscuit will you be celebrating with..
Remember, it can't be a nice biscuit, that after all is a place in France.. |
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"No I don’t. I don’t think the government really expected Britain to vote out in the first place.
The whole thing is a disaster of a shit show.
It seemed even the leavers didn't expect to win and when they did they nearly all disappeared never to be seen again leaving thone that had no desire to leave to try and negotiate a good deal for us.
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This absolutely! |
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By *orwegian Blue OP Man
over a year ago
Iceland, but Aldi is closer.. |
"Possibly but hopefully we will say goodbye without a deal hope we just leave no deal best for England  "
How?
Would you buy a car and decline the warranty?
No deal is just leaving us totally open to being completely analy fucked by Brussels..
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"possible general election if the no confidence in the government motion is passed.
Isn’t the next general election in 2022? "
if the motion is passed with a majority then a general election is called |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Farage for pm
Farage the radio presenter?
What the fuck does he know about politics? He's a DJ... "
Wish he'd do something else.
He's tainting my profession |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I think it was inevitable to be honest and I don’t think many of the politicians thought we would have the first referendum never mind vote to leave so I think a lot of them are hesitant about really trying to leave
Yes it was definitely inevitable but I think the margin in the vote is bigger than everybody expected. That makes the difference. "
It’s strange but I actually agree with Danny dyer for once, where is David Cameron he got us into this mess and then left, sorry if he’s got the spine to hold the referendum then he should be there to see it through to the bitter end |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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it is worth bearing in mind it takes around 13-14 weeks for the electoral commission to get its act together for any vote.
so if the motion carries then your looking at that time scale.
same if there was ever going to be another brexit vote. |
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By *ob6474Man
over a year ago
telford |
"Possibly but hopefully we will say goodbye without a deal hope we just leave no deal best for England
How?
Would you buy a car and decline the warranty?
No deal is just leaving us totally open to being completely analy fucked by Brussels..
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well the mp just have done that to the vote,s |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Possibly but hopefully we will say goodbye without a deal hope we just leave no deal best for England
How?
Would you buy a car and decline the warranty?
No deal is just leaving us totally open to being completely analy fucked by Brussels..
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I think you're confusing No deal with the deal the PM tried to get through which effectively kept us in the EU but without a seat at the top table |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Oh and I didn't vote leave either ... I just believe in democracy "
So the way but I'm not really sure that this mess can be fixed. I just don't see how it's going to be possible to leave. It's created such a shitstorm. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Oh and I didn't vote leave either ... I just believe in democracy
So the way but I'm not really sure that this mess can be fixed. I just don't see how it's going to be possible to leave. It's created such a shitstorm. "
The majority voted to leave.
If we don't then democracy might as well be flushed down the toilet |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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UK will become like Iceland.... In the middle of the sea and expensive cost of living..... And a right basket case.
I'm genuinely jumping a sinking ship...
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By *orwegian Blue OP Man
over a year ago
Iceland, but Aldi is closer.. |
"possible general election if the no confidence in the government motion is passed.
Isn’t the next general election in 2022?
Yes - unless the government loses a vote of confidence.
In reality though, the DUP have already confirmed that they would support the government in a confidence vote and I very much doubt that any Conservative MP would vote agaist their own party so it is highly likely that Corbyn will lose.
Which means, as she's already said this evening, TM will continue as PM."
So if May isn't likely to lose a no confidence vote, why would so many of her supporters turn down the only option the UK has for leaving Europe after two years of negotiations?
It just doesn't make any sense..
There is no other deal and a no deal is just not palatable to anyone in parliament..
So why did she lose by a landslide?
There seems to be only one plausible answer to the inexplicable situation, a tactical vote to drive a second referendum.. |
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The whole of Parliament needs shaking they are to serve the people. The people voted in one of the biggest turn outs to leave and they sit in there Ivory towers telling us we’re wrong. Most MPs are very well off and from well to do backgrounds so don’t have a clue what living in Britain is really like. If I had tens of thousands in the bank and a few houses I’d be worried about change too but being working class leaving can only help. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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worth also noting the EU was banking on the money it would receive from the UK on the brexit deal.
i maybe wrong but a no deal means that money or the set amount of money does not go to the EU.
and trust me they do need it.
i think we can all take sides and bits of which part of any deal we like or want.
sadly this deal was never going to pass because of the irish issue and may's government needing them behind her.
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"Oh and I didn't vote leave either ... I just believe in democracy
So the way but I'm not really sure that this mess can be fixed. I just don't see how it's going to be possible to leave. It's created such a shitstorm. "
I hope the tories get shot of May , and tell Europe to get fucked .
Yep , a no deal .
Think about the fact that Germany is going through the beginning of a recession , France is undergoing riots , and the rest of Europe is skint . They need a deal way more than we do .
There’s no way they will be in a position to do anything to penalise us , so I’m not worried about that . |
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By *orwegian Blue OP Man
over a year ago
Iceland, but Aldi is closer.. |
"Possibly but hopefully we will say goodbye without a deal hope we just leave no deal best for England
How?
Would you buy a car and decline the warranty?
No deal is just leaving us totally open to being completely analy fucked by Brussels..
I think you're confusing No deal with the deal the PM tried to get through which effectively kept us in the EU but without a seat at the top table"
No deal is no deal..
We leave with no deal then that is it, no negotiations.. Nothing..
In the wise words of yoda "Mmmm...well and truly fucked you are"
A no deal would mean an extension to article 50, further negotiations, yada yada yada..
If after 2 years the only agreed deal we can get is a shit one, what are further negotiations going to get..
We are not playing poker here, we don't have any cards left and Brussels have all the chips..
We cannot negotiate our way out of this with nothing to offer in return..
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Oh and I didn't vote leave either ... I just believe in democracy
So the way but I'm not really sure that this mess can be fixed. I just don't see how it's going to be possible to leave. It's created such a shitstorm.
I hope the tories get shot of May , and tell Europe to get fucked .
Yep , a no deal .
Think about the fact that Germany is going through the beginning of a recession , France is undergoing riots , and the rest of Europe is skint . They need a deal way more than we do .
There’s no way they will be in a position to do anything to penalise us , so I’m not worried about that ."
At least parliament has told them in no uncertain terms to poke their deal.The ball is now in their court sort something out that is exceptable or fuck off. |
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By *oonloverWoman
over a year ago
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"Brexit never had a chance as most MP,s want to stay in the EU so they can get a well paid job as a EU MP so they basically are saying we the people are thick and cant make the right decision "
Yes more said go than stay so go we should |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We ain't going nowhere! This is all tactics. We will have another referendum and we will remain. They make it this difficult to leave for a reason! So you don't leave. I think we will end up staying with conditions. "
 i agree with this. The tories are masters of manipulation and slippery as an eel. Next move.. Delay article 50., |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"A no deal would mean an extension to article 50, further negotiations, yada yada yada.."
Er, no it wouldn't. It is the default position that we leave the EU on 29th March under if no deal has been secured.
The only way Article 50 can be extended is with the agreement of the other 27 member states - if we request it. |
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By *oonloverWoman
over a year ago
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"Oh and I didn't vote leave either ... I just believe in democracy
So the way but I'm not really sure that this mess can be fixed. I just don't see how it's going to be possible to leave. It's created such a shitstorm.
I hope the tories get shot of May , and tell Europe to get fucked .
Yep , a no deal .
Think about the fact that Germany is going through the beginning of a recession , France is undergoing riots , and the rest of Europe is skint . They need a deal way more than we do .
There’s no way they will be in a position to do anything to penalise us , so I’m not worried about that ."
Couldn't agree more |
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By *orwegian Blue OP Man
over a year ago
Iceland, but Aldi is closer.. |
"Oh and I didn't vote leave either ... I just believe in democracy
So the way but I'm not really sure that this mess can be fixed. I just don't see how it's going to be possible to leave. It's created such a shitstorm.
I hope the tories get shot of May , and tell Europe to get fucked .
Yep , a no deal .
Think about the fact that Germany is going through the beginning of a recession , France is undergoing riots , and the rest of Europe is skint . They need a deal way more than we do .
There’s no way they will be in a position to do anything to penalise us , so I’m not worried about that .At least parliament has told them in no uncertain terms to poke their deal.The ball is now in their court sort something out that is exceptable or fuck off. "
So where are all the hard line brexiteers to sort the mess out?
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Nope.. me neither..not a clue where they are..
It was them that fucked off the minute they realised we were fucked.. about a week after the brexit vote took place!
So we are left with those that wanted us to stay to sort out a deal.. no wonder it's shit..
And Corbyn, what the hell will he do if he gets into power.. he is probably still pulling the splinters out of his arse from the fence he wriggled on during the build up to Brexit, not committing to one side or another..
It seems no one in parliament who is worth their salts has any desire to leave. |
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By *orwegian Blue OP Man
over a year ago
Iceland, but Aldi is closer.. |
"A no deal would mean an extension to article 50, further negotiations, yada yada yada..
Er, no it wouldn't. It is the default position that we leave the EU on 29th March under if no deal has been secured.
The only way Article 50 can be extended is with the agreement of the other 27 member states - if we request it."
So what part of no deal do you think any MP actually wants?
They know it's a bad deal for them and the UK, just because it's the default doesn't mean it's right..
So an extension to article 50 will be the only viable option left should no deals be agreed in time.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"A no deal would mean an extension to article 50, further negotiations, yada yada yada..
Er, no it wouldn't. It is the default position that we leave the EU on 29th March under if no deal has been secured.
The only way Article 50 can be extended is with the agreement of the other 27 member states - if we request it."
Can't article 50 be revoked? |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"A no deal would mean an extension to article 50, further negotiations, yada yada yada..
Er, no it wouldn't. It is the default position that we leave the EU on 29th March under if no deal has been secured.
The only way Article 50 can be extended is with the agreement of the other 27 member states - if we request it.
Can't article 50 be revoked? "
Yes but that means we stay.TM has already said she will carry out the wishes of the people so thats not going to happen as long as the torys hold power. |
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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago
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Whether the deal was good or bad is up for debate, what was shown was the reasons for the referendum still being aired right up until the vote tonight - which shouldn't matter at this time.
The referendum result and the deal itself is what should have been at the forefront of any MP's vote. (I can understand Remainers and Brexiteers here). I can't understand the whipped Labour position that it can in some way be made perfect, as the uncertainty that is now going to follow is going to be astonishing. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"May should go back to Junker & Co and say the backstop has to be scrapped entirely or we're going down the WTO route. "
She should have said that from the start,thats why the no deal default is a good thing it will concentrate the eus mind on getting a deal.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The eu don't want us to leave, and doing a 1st rate job to keep us in. They played a blinder with Mays deal. It was a shite awful deal and they knew it would be rejected |
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"A no deal would mean an extension to article 50, further negotiations, yada yada yada..
Er, no it wouldn't. It is the default position that we leave the EU on 29th March under if no deal has been secured.
The only way Article 50 can be extended is with the agreement of the other 27 member states - if we request it.
Can't article 50 be revoked? "
It can but the Government won't do it as it would be electoral suicide for the Conservative party. |
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"A no deal would mean an extension to article 50, further negotiations, yada yada yada..
Er, no it wouldn't. It is the default position that we leave the EU on 29th March under if no deal has been secured.
The only way Article 50 can be extended is with the agreement of the other 27 member states - if we request it.
So what part of no deal do you think any MP actually wants?
They know it's a bad deal for them and the UK, just because it's the default doesn't mean it's right..
So an extension to article 50 will be the only viable option left should no deals be agreed in time.
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No Deal delivers on the referendum result. The question on the ballot paper said Leave or remain. There was nothing on the ballot paper about a deal. The country voted Leave. Leaving with no deal respects the referendum result.
What part of no deal do MP's want? Serveral points...
No Deal saves us £39 billion on the divorce bill which many brexiteer MP's don't want to pay to the EU.
No Deal means leaving the single market and ending free movement of people.
No Deal means leaving the customs union so we can strike our own trade deals around the rest of the world.
No Deal means we immediately free ourselves from the jurisdiction of the European Court of justice (ECJ). No Deal means we no longer pay the EU any money in membership fees. No Deal means we continue to trade with the EU on World trade organisation rules.
No Deal respects democracy and delivers on the referendum result. |
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"A no deal would mean an extension to article 50, further negotiations, yada yada yada..
Er, no it wouldn't. It is the default position that we leave the EU on 29th March under if no deal has been secured.
The only way Article 50 can be extended is with the agreement of the other 27 member states - if we request it.
So what part of no deal do you think any MP actually wants?
They know it's a bad deal for them and the UK, just because it's the default doesn't mean it's right..
So an extension to article 50 will be the only viable option left should no deals be agreed in time.
No Deal delivers on the referendum result. The question on the ballot paper said Leave or remain. There was nothing on the ballot paper about a deal. The country voted Leave. Leaving with no deal respects the referendum result.
What part of no deal do MP's want? Serveral points...
No Deal saves us £39 billion on the divorce bill which many brexiteer MP's don't want to pay to the EU.
No Deal means leaving the single market and ending free movement of people.
No Deal means leaving the customs union so we can strike our own trade deals around the rest of the world.
No Deal means we immediately free ourselves from the jurisdiction of the European Court of justice (ECJ). No Deal means we no longer pay the EU any money in membership fees. No Deal means we continue to trade with the EU on World trade organisation rules.
No Deal respects democracy and delivers on the referendum result. "
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"So did Mays deal !
May's deal is now dead."
So is no deal..
The financial markets know it, the vast majority of Politicians in Westminster know it..
And won't vote for it..
Only a small number want it and won't accept the clear reality of it..
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"the eu will need to move on the backstop or we will leave with no deal simples.
What controls will Britain need to install on its border in Ireland in those circumstances?
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More importantly what will the eu need to do, remember those who want to have aunited Ireland want to be able to freely go south under eu rules they will have to stop them |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"the eu will need to move on the backstop or we will leave with no deal simples.
What controls will Britain need to install on its border in Ireland in those circumstances?
More importantly what will the eu need to do, remember those who want to have aunited Ireland want to be able to freely go south under eu rules they will have to stop them"
I thought it was the UK that wanted to stop the free movement of people into the UK?
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"the eu will need to move on the backstop or we will leave with no deal simples.
What controls will Britain need to install on its border in Ireland in those circumstances?
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If we leave with no deal on March 29th and then immediately agree to negotiate a Canada style free trade agreement with the EU as a 3rd country outside of the EU, then WTO rules give a 10 year exemption on border controls while a bilateral free trade agreement is being negotiated. |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"the eu will need to move on the backstop or we will leave with no deal simples.
What controls will Britain need to install on its border in Ireland in those circumstances?
More importantly what will the eu need to do, remember those who want to have aunited Ireland want to be able to freely go south under eu rules they will have to stop them
I thought it was the UK that wanted to stop the free movement of people into the UK?
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We do BUT and its a huge BUT we can do it when and how we want, eu rules say countries must have borders soits the Irish that will have to put one up from day one |
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"So did Mays deal !
May's deal is now dead.
So is no deal..
The financial markets know it, the vast majority of Politicians in Westminster know it..
And won't vote for it..
Only a small number want it and won't accept the clear reality of it..
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"The financial markets know it". Lol
Like the financial markets "knew" it would be a remain result in the EU referendum, as the pound went up on the 23rd June 2016, before the votes were counted. Fact is the financial markets don't know shit.
Parliament doesn't have to vote for a no deal, it is already the default position.
Jean Claude Juncker has already put out a tweet saying no deal is now more likely. |
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"So did Mays deal !
May's deal is now dead.
So is no deal..
The financial markets know it, the vast majority of Politicians in Westminster know it..
And won't vote for it..
Only a small number want it and won't accept the clear reality of it..
"The financial markets know it". Lol
Like the financial markets "knew" it would be a remain result in the EU referendum, as the pound went up on the 23rd June 2016, before the votes were counted. Fact is the financial markets don't know shit.
Parliament doesn't have to vote for a no deal, it is already the default position.
Jean Claude Juncker has already put out a tweet saying no deal is now more likely. "
There's more to come, so let's wait and see..
Fancy you being taken in by the inner workings of Junckers political thinking, he's not normally one you run to for quotes.. |
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"So did Mays deal !
May's deal is now dead.
So is no deal..
The financial markets know it, the vast majority of Politicians in Westminster know it..
And won't vote for it..
Only a small number want it and won't accept the clear reality of it..
"The financial markets know it". Lol
Like the financial markets "knew" it would be a remain result in the EU referendum, as the pound went up on the 23rd June 2016, before the votes were counted. Fact is the financial markets don't know shit.
Parliament doesn't have to vote for a no deal, it is already the default position.
Jean Claude Juncker has already put out a tweet saying no deal is now more likely.
There's more to come, so let's wait and see..
Fancy you being taken in by the inner workings of Junckers political thinking, he's not normally one you run to for quotes.. "
I posted Junckers comments for remainers benefit, as for the past 2 1/2 years they have taken what's he's said as gospel. |
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"So did Mays deal !
May's deal is now dead.
So is no deal..
The financial markets know it, the vast majority of Politicians in Westminster know it..
And won't vote for it..
Only a small number want it and won't accept the clear reality of it..
"The financial markets know it". Lol
Like the financial markets "knew" it would be a remain result in the EU referendum, as the pound went up on the 23rd June 2016, before the votes were counted. Fact is the financial markets don't know shit.
Parliament doesn't have to vote for a no deal, it is already the default position.
Jean Claude Juncker has already put out a tweet saying no deal is now more likely.
There's more to come, so let's wait and see..
Fancy you being taken in by the inner workings of Junckers political thinking, he's not normally one you run to for quotes..
I posted Junckers comments for remainers benefit, as for the past 2 1/2 years they have taken what's he's said as gospel. "
Still not a fan then..
That can tend to happen when someone is consistent..
Gives gravitas.. |
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"We ain't going nowhere! This is all tactics. We will have another referendum and we will remain. They make it this difficult to leave for a reason! So you don't leave. I think we will end up staying with conditions. "
If there is another referendum, and it remain wins, Britain will remain in the EU with the same terms and conditions that they presently have!
Which re a lot better than what a lot of EU countries have!
It will just revert to if there was no leave vote at all!
There won’t be punishment for voting originally to leave!! |
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"Possibly but hopefully we will say goodbye without a deal hope we just leave no deal best for England "
For England??
How about the rest of the UK, surely you don’t want to precipitate the breakup of the union?? |
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"We ain't going nowhere! This is all tactics. We will have another referendum and we will remain. They make it this difficult to leave for a reason! So you don't leave. I think we will end up staying with conditions.
If there is another referendum, and it remain wins, Britain will remain in the EU with the same terms and conditions that they presently have!
Which re a lot better than what a lot of EU countries have!
It will just revert to if there was no leave vote at all!
There won’t be punishment for voting originally to leave!!"
And nor should there be punishment..
The very idea is bloody nonsense.. |
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"possible general election if the no confidence in the government motion is passed.
Isn’t the next general election in 2022?
if the motion is passed with a majority then a general election is called"
Has to be a 2/3 majority, there’ll be no general election!
But the Labour position is that if their vote of no confidence does not succeed, their fallback position is for another referendum!!
Another vote is the likely outcome!! |
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"possible general election if the no confidence in the government motion is passed.
Isn’t the next general election in 2022?
if the motion is passed with a majority then a general election is called
Has to be a 2/3 majority, there’ll be no general election!
But the Labour position is that if their vote of no confidence does not succeed, their fallback position is for another referendum!!
Another vote is the likely outcome!!"
Gets corbyn off the fence.. |
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"Next time there is a general election and it's close I think we should insist on a re-election if we aren't happy with the result "
As you get, every five years, or less if the government no longer commands the confidence of parliament! |
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"Oh and I didn't vote leave either ... I just believe in democracy "
Exactly, and if there is a second vote, which there will, believe in democracy again and vote according to your conscience!!
By not voting, you are letting others make the decision for you!! |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"possible general election if the no confidence in the government motion is passed.
Isn’t the next general election in 2022?
if the motion is passed with a majority then a general election is called
Has to be a 2/3 majority, there’ll be no general election!
But the Labour position is that if their vote of no confidence does not succeed, their fallback position is for another referendum!!
Another vote is the likely outcome!!
Gets corbyn off the fence.. "
i think he would lose heavily if there was a GE even the blind can see hes done nothing to implement the will of the people but only in it for his own personal agenda. |
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"Oh and I didn't vote leave either ... I just believe in democracy
Exactly, and if there is a second vote, which there will, believe in democracy again and vote according to your conscience!!
By not voting, you are letting others make the decision for you!!"
If (and I would rather there wasnt) there is should it be compulsory? |
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"worth also noting the EU was banking on the money it would receive from the UK on the brexit deal.
i maybe wrong but a no deal means that money or the set amount of money does not go to the EU.
and trust me they do need it.
i think we can all take sides and bits of which part of any deal we like or want.
sadly this deal was never going to pass because of the irish issue and may's government needing them behind her.
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Horse shit, this deal didn’t succeed because parliament can’t agree on what they want, there are too many factions looking out for their own interests, if it wasn’t the backstop,it would be trade, it’s a blame game!!
Parliament can’t agree, but this is the same parliament that brexiteers want to give control ‘back to’
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"Oh and I didn't vote leave either ... I just believe in democracy
So the way but I'm not really sure that this mess can be fixed. I just don't see how it's going to be possible to leave. It's created such a shitstorm.
I hope the tories get shot of May , and tell Europe to get fucked .
Yep , a no deal .
Think about the fact that Germany is going through the beginning of a recession , France is undergoing riots , and the rest of Europe is skint . They need a deal way more than we do .
There’s no way they will be in a position to do anything to penalise us , so I’m not worried about that ."
Is that completely true??
I’d be very wary of the facts you employ!! |
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"possible general election if the no confidence in the government motion is passed.
Isn’t the next general election in 2022?
if the motion is passed with a majority then a general election is called
Has to be a 2/3 majority, there’ll be no general election!
But the Labour position is that if their vote of no confidence does not succeed, their fallback position is for another referendum!!
Another vote is the likely outcome!!
Gets corbyn off the fence.. i think he would lose heavily if there was a GE even the blind can see hes done nothing to implement the will of the people but only in it for his own personal agenda."
Do you know I'm not so sure, there's still austerity, cuts, food banks, the mess that is universal credit, and this mess and they are all the ownership of the tories..
Hardly any of the tories could point the finger at labour and sl#g them off over brexit, not with a straight face..
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"Possibly but hopefully we will say goodbye without a deal hope we just leave no deal best for England
How?
Would you buy a car and decline the warranty?
No deal is just leaving us totally open to being completely analy fucked by Brussels..
I think you're confusing No deal with the deal the PM tried to get through which effectively kept us in the EU but without a seat at the top table
No deal is no deal..
We leave with no deal then that is it, no negotiations.. Nothing..
In the wise words of yoda "Mmmm...well and truly fucked you are"
A no deal would mean an extension to article 50, further negotiations, yada yada yada..
If after 2 years the only agreed deal we can get is a shit one, what are further negotiations going to get..
We are not playing poker here, we don't have any cards left and Brussels have all the chips..
We cannot negotiate our way out of this with nothing to offer in return..
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"Possibly but hopefully we will say goodbye without a deal hope we just leave no deal best for England
How?
Would you buy a car and decline the warranty?
No deal is just leaving us totally open to being completely analy fucked by Brussels..
I think you're confusing No deal with the deal the PM tried to get through which effectively kept us in the EU but without a seat at the top table
No deal is no deal..
We leave with no deal then that is it, no negotiations.. Nothing..
In the wise words of yoda "Mmmm...well and truly fucked you are"
A no deal would mean an extension to article 50, further negotiations, yada yada yada..
If after 2 years the only agreed deal we can get is a shit one, what are further negotiations going to get..
We are not playing poker here, we don't have any cards left and Brussels have all the chips..
We cannot negotiate our way out of this with nothing to offer in return..
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Yoda is a very wise Jedi Knight!!
His words of wisdom carry a lot more weight than a lot of the bulshitters promoting Brexit!! |
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"Oh and I didn't vote leave either ... I just believe in democracy
So the way but I'm not really sure that this mess can be fixed. I just don't see how it's going to be possible to leave. It's created such a shitstorm.
I hope the tories get shot of May , and tell Europe to get fucked .
Yep , a no deal .
Think about the fact that Germany is going through the beginning of a recession , France is undergoing riots , and the rest of Europe is skint . They need a deal way more than we do .
There’s no way they will be in a position to do anything to penalise us , so I’m not worried about that .At least parliament has told them in no uncertain terms to poke their deal.The ball is now in their court sort something out that is exceptable or fuck off. "
Parliament?? Sort it out?? Seriously??
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"Brexit never had a chance as most MP,s want to stay in the EU so they can get a well paid job as a EU MP so they basically are saying we the people are thick and cant make the right decision
Yes more said go than stay so go we should "
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"A no deal would mean an extension to article 50, further negotiations, yada yada yada..
Er, no it wouldn't. It is the default position that we leave the EU on 29th March under if no deal has been secured.
The only way Article 50 can be extended is with the agreement of the other 27 member states - if we request it."
Forgive my ignorance, but has Parliament a say in this?? |
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over a year ago
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"May should go back to Junker & Co and say the backstop has to be scrapped entirely or we're going down the WTO route. "
Do you think Juncker and Co are shitting themselves about that threat??
The WTO route fucks the UK over big time!!
It’s not in anyone’s interest to go down that route!! |
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"May should go back to Junker & Co and say the backstop has to be scrapped entirely or we're going down the WTO route. She should have said that from the start,thats why the no deal default is a good thing it will concentrate the eus mind on getting a deal."
Are you forgetting that the EU and EEA is a trading block of 30 odd countries neighbouring each other, of nearly 400mllion people, the UK has a population of 65million and is going to be outside any trading block!!
You keep thinking that the EU needs the UK, they don’t, the opposite is a truer reflection!! |
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"May should go back to Junker & Co and say the backstop has to be scrapped entirely or we're going down the WTO route.
Do you think Juncker and Co are shitting themselves about that threat??
The WTO route fucks the UK over big time!!
It’s not in anyone’s interest to go down that route!!"
The way negotiations have gone I think it's our only play now, some major changes or WTO, |
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"The eu don't want us to leave, and doing a 1st rate job to keep us in. They played a blinder with Mays deal. It was a shite awful deal and they knew it would be rejected "
Horse shit, it was a negotiated deal between two sets of negotiators!!
The UK negotiation team agreed with the May deal! It wasn’t imposed on anyone!
Don’t forget, the UK voted to leave, no one asked them to go, they aren’t being kicked out!! |
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"the eu will need to move on the backstop or we will leave with no deal simples.
What controls will Britain need to install on its border in Ireland in those circumstances?
More importantly what will the eu need to do, remember those who want to have aunited Ireland want to be able to freely go south under eu rules they will have to stop them"
Too many beers tonight??
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"A no deal would mean an extension to article 50, further negotiations, yada yada yada..
Er, no it wouldn't. It is the default position that we leave the EU on 29th March under if no deal has been secured.
The only way Article 50 can be extended is with the agreement of the other 27 member states - if we request it.
Can't article 50 be revoked?
It can but the Government won't do it as it would be electoral suicide for the Conservative party. "
It will also be electoral suicide with younger voters if we run out the clock and leave on 29th March by default because that is what is written in law.. That only leaves one route out... request article 50 extension to allow the No Deal or No Brexit question to be put back to the public. Corbyn don’t give a shyt either way, he only cares about getting himself into number 10.  |
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"the eu will need to move on the backstop or we will leave with no deal simples.
What controls will Britain need to install on its border in Ireland in those circumstances?
If we leave with no deal on March 29th and then immediately agree to negotiate a Canada style free trade agreement with the EU as a 3rd country outside of the EU, then WTO rules give a 10 year exemption on border controls while a bilateral free trade agreement is being negotiated. "
If the EU agree?? |
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"the eu will need to move on the backstop or we will leave with no deal simples.
What controls will Britain need to install on its border in Ireland in those circumstances?
More importantly what will the eu need to do, remember those who want to have aunited Ireland want to be able to freely go south under eu rules they will have to stop them
I thought it was the UK that wanted to stop the free movement of people into the UK?
And it’s the French who will have to control the border at Calais?? What if they allow an open border temporarily!
Hmm there might be a lot of people in tents near Calais coming to a town near you!!
Borders work both ways you know!!
We do BUT and its a huge BUT we can do it when and how we want, eu rules say countries must have borders soits the Irish that will have to put one up from day one"
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"May should go back to Junker & Co and say the backstop has to be scrapped entirely or we're going down the WTO route. She should have said that from the start,thats why the no deal default is a good thing it will concentrate the eus mind on getting a deal.
Are you forgetting that the EU and EEA is a trading block of 30 odd countries neighbouring each other, of nearly 400mllion people, the UK has a population of 65million and is going to be outside any trading block!!
You keep thinking that the EU needs the UK, they don’t, the opposite is a truer reflection!!"
The UK are equivalent to 19 of the EU member states put together, is the 5th largest economy in the world, is near the top of the world table in soft power influence and have historic links all over the globe through the commonwealth. We will flourish what ever happens. The EU is losing a net contributor to its budget.
Germany, the so called economic powerhouse of the EU are on the brink of recession now. France in flames and people rioting against Macron virtually every weekend. The anti EU coalition government in Italy have publicly and officially backed the yellow vest protesters in France against Macron. Italy is in recession already and France on the brink of recession as well. The EU is a house of cards that is looking increasingly flimsy. |
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"A no deal would mean an extension to article 50, further negotiations, yada yada yada..
Er, no it wouldn't. It is the default position that we leave the EU on 29th March under if no deal has been secured.
The only way Article 50 can be extended is with the agreement of the other 27 member states - if we request it.
Can't article 50 be revoked?
It can but the Government won't do it as it would be electoral suicide for the Conservative party.
It will also be electoral suicide with younger voters if we run out the clock and leave on 29th March by default because that is what is written in law.. That only leaves one route out... request article 50 extension to allow the No Deal or No Brexit question to be put back to the public. Corbyn don’t give a shyt either way, he only cares about getting himself into number 10. "
The young all vote Labour anyway so no loss to the Conservative party there. A poll of Conservative party members showed over 60% of them prefer no deal compared to May's deal. Remain only polled around 15% in the survey, so 85% of Tory members want to leave the EU in one form or another. |
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"the eu will need to move on the backstop or we will leave with no deal simples.
What controls will Britain need to install on its border in Ireland in those circumstances?
If we leave with no deal on March 29th and then immediately agree to negotiate a Canada style free trade agreement with the EU as a 3rd country outside of the EU, then WTO rules give a 10 year exemption on border controls while a bilateral free trade agreement is being negotiated.
If the EU agree?? "
Why wouldn't they? |
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When you say Canada style do you mean “copy and paste” of Canada, or do you mean Canada is the blueprint but there are adjustments made (eg look at services?).
Because I suspect if we are going down the latter route we’d need to have some kind of agreement of before we can involve any transition rules.
(And that’s putting aside what “reasonable time” may be allowed given we would have had a FTA in place previously. The ten years is not hard and fast). |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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"the eu will need to move on the backstop or we will leave with no deal simples.
What controls will Britain need to install on its border in Ireland in those circumstances?
If we leave with no deal on March 29th and then immediately agree to negotiate a Canada style free trade agreement with the EU as a 3rd country outside of the EU, then WTO rules give a 10 year exemption on border controls while a bilateral free trade agreement is being negotiated. "
Now that is a remarkable volte-face.
You say people voted to take back control of our borders and stop free movement.
Now you say our border with the EU will be unrestricted for a decade, with no checks on who or what is coming into the UK.
You really have not thought this through at all, have you? |
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"May should go back to Junker & Co and say the backstop has to be scrapped entirely or we're going down the WTO route. She should have said that from the start,thats why the no deal default is a good thing it will concentrate the eus mind on getting a deal.
Are you forgetting that the EU and EEA is a trading block of 30 odd countries neighbouring each other, of nearly 400mllion people, the UK has a population of 65million and is going to be outside any trading block!!
You keep thinking that the EU needs the UK, they don’t, the opposite is a truer reflection!!
The UK are equivalent to 19 of the EU member states put together, is the 5th largest economy in the world, is near the top of the world table in soft power influence and have historic links all over the globe through the commonwealth. We will flourish what ever happens. The EU is losing a net contributor to its budget.
Germany, the so called economic powerhouse of the EU are on the brink of recession now. France in flames and people rioting against Macron virtually every weekend. The anti EU coalition government in Italy have publicly and officially backed the yellow vest protesters in France against Macron. Italy is in recession already and France on the brink of recession as well. The EU is a house of cards that is looking increasingly flimsy. "
Is Germany higher or lower than us economy ie UK 5th Germany 1/2/3/4?
Can't be arsed to Google it! |
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"the eu will need to move on the backstop or we will leave with no deal simples.
What controls will Britain need to install on its border in Ireland in those circumstances?
If we leave with no deal on March 29th and then immediately agree to negotiate a Canada style free trade agreement with the EU as a 3rd country outside of the EU, then WTO rules give a 10 year exemption on border controls while a bilateral free trade agreement is being negotiated.
If the EU agree??
Why wouldn't they? "
Suggest you follow an expert trade negotiator- someone who has been doing the job for 20+ years then you will understand better |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"May should go back to Junker & Co and say the backstop has to be scrapped entirely or we're going down the WTO route. She should have said that from the start,thats why the no deal default is a good thing it will concentrate the eus mind on getting a deal.
Are you forgetting that the EU and EEA is a trading block of 30 odd countries neighbouring each other, of nearly 400mllion people, the UK has a population of 65million and is going to be outside any trading block!!
You keep thinking that the EU needs the UK, they don’t, the opposite is a truer reflection!!
The UK are equivalent to 19 of the EU member states put together, is the 5th largest economy in the world, is near the top of the world table in soft power influence and have historic links all over the globe through the commonwealth. We will flourish what ever happens. The EU is losing a net contributor to its budget.
Germany, the so called economic powerhouse of the EU are on the brink of recession now. France in flames and people rioting against Macron virtually every weekend. The anti EU coalition government in Italy have publicly and officially backed the yellow vest protesters in France against Macron. Italy is in recession already and France on the brink of recession as well. The EU is a house of cards that is looking increasingly flimsy. "
The entire planet is on the brink of recession old chum. Pushed by your hero Trump's trade war
You've just made a null point as usual.
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"the eu will need to move on the backstop or we will leave with no deal simples.
What controls will Britain need to install on its border in Ireland in those circumstances?
If we leave with no deal on March 29th and then immediately agree to negotiate a Canada style free trade agreement with the EU as a 3rd country outside of the EU, then WTO rules give a 10 year exemption on border controls while a bilateral free trade agreement is being negotiated.
Now that is a remarkable volte-face.
You say people voted to take back control of our borders and stop free movement.
Now you say our border with the EU will be unrestricted for a decade, with no checks on who or what is coming into the UK.
You really have not thought this through at all, have you?"
I'd happily put a hard border up in Ireland but to placate remoaners like you and to stick to the good Friday agreement the border must remain open until both the EU and the UK put in technology to sort the border problem out indefinitely. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"the eu will need to move on the backstop or we will leave with no deal simples.
What controls will Britain need to install on its border in Ireland in those circumstances?
If we leave with no deal on March 29th and then immediately agree to negotiate a Canada style free trade agreement with the EU as a 3rd country outside of the EU, then WTO rules give a 10 year exemption on border controls while a bilateral free trade agreement is being negotiated.
If the EU agree??
Why wouldn't they?
Suggest you follow an expert trade negotiator- someone who has been doing the job for 20+ years then you will understand better "
sssssh... don't you dare point him in the direction of jason hunter on twitter.... he has been one of the sane voices throughout this..... and has gotten so many things right it would downright scary for a hardline "no dealer" to comprehend... |
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"the eu will need to move on the backstop or we will leave with no deal simples.
What controls will Britain need to install on its border in Ireland in those circumstances?
If we leave with no deal on March 29th and then immediately agree to negotiate a Canada style free trade agreement with the EU as a 3rd country outside of the EU, then WTO rules give a 10 year exemption on border controls while a bilateral free trade agreement is being negotiated.
Now that is a remarkable volte-face.
You say people voted to take back control of our borders and stop free movement.
Now you say our border with the EU will be unrestricted for a decade, with no checks on who or what is coming into the UK.
You really have not thought this through at all, have you?
I'd happily put a hard border up in Ireland but to placate remoaners like you and to stick to the good Friday agreement the border must remain open until both the EU and the UK put in technology to sort the border problem out indefinitely. "
The good Friday agreement is wanted by both sides of the border and us and the EU for very good reasons, and that includes those in the North who voted leave..
its not a hollow promise by some self serving politician pre election to be disregarded post election, its not a shallow cliche on a bus that one can later deflect from..
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"the eu will need to move on the backstop or we will leave with no deal simples.
What controls will Britain need to install on its border in Ireland in those circumstances?
If we leave with no deal on March 29th and then immediately agree to negotiate a Canada style free trade agreement with the EU as a 3rd country outside of the EU, then WTO rules give a 10 year exemption on border controls while a bilateral free trade agreement is being negotiated.
Now that is a remarkable volte-face.
You say people voted to take back control of our borders and stop free movement.
Now you say our border with the EU will be unrestricted for a decade, with no checks on who or what is coming into the UK.
You really have not thought this through at all, have you?
I'd happily put a hard border up in Ireland but to placate remoaners like you and to stick to the good Friday agreement the border must remain open until both the EU and the UK put in technology to sort the border problem out indefinitely. "
How does this work with the “10 year rule”. The transition period allows you to do trade in line with the approach you intend to take in the treaty. I don’t think it allows you to have a temporary measure just because you haven’t solved an issue.
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"possible general election if the no confidence in the government motion is passed.
Isn’t the next general election in 2022?
if the motion is passed with a majority then a general election is called
Has to be a 2/3 majority, there’ll be no general election!
But the Labour position is that if their vote of no confidence does not succeed, their fallback position is for another referendum!!
Another vote is the likely outcome!!
Gets corbyn off the fence.. i think he would lose heavily if there was a GE even the blind can see hes done nothing to implement the will of the people but only in it for his own personal agenda."
The conservatives insisted on a strategy of no consultation with others - they didn't even get their party to agree on what they wanted, before triggering Article 50! Only ministers and the PM were involved in negotiations, with the rest of parliament involved at the absolute minimum - when legislative changes or votes were needed, before proceding to the next stage. May's absolute refusal to get her party to agree on what it wanted, before triggering Article 50 and refusal to have cross-party involvement, meant that everyone else was largely ensured kept as a bystander. 2 years of wasted parliamentiary time at huge cost to everyone. |
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"Possibly but hopefully we will say goodbye without a deal hope we just leave no deal best for England
How?
Would you buy a car and decline the warranty?
No deal is just leaving us totally open to being completely analy fucked by Brussels..
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Some people like anal |
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I'd happily put a hard border up in Ireland"
So you don't care that pretty much everyone involved fears a hard border because it could lead to a return of violence.
No better example of the zealotry of Brexiteers; willing to sacrifice absolutely anything, even people's lives, in the name of their juvenile obsessions. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
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"Possibly but hopefully we will say goodbye without a deal hope we just leave no deal best for England
How?
Would you buy a car and decline the warranty?
No deal is just leaving us totally open to being completely analy fucked by Brussels..
Some people like anal "
I have some experience of being anally fucked by Europeans. I can thoroughly recommend it.
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