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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I'm not really au fait with politics and I need everything explained to me in the simplest terms.
I've just been reading that some MPs have put forward amendments to Mrs May's Brexit deal.
Now, I was of the understanding that the EU leaders have said there will be no more negotiation of the Brexit deal we have put forward. So how do amendments work if the EU leaders won't consider them?
Have I missed something? |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"I'm not really au fait with politics and I need everything explained to me in the simplest terms.
I've just been reading that some MPs have put forward amendments to Mrs May's Brexit deal.
Now, I was of the understanding that the EU leaders have said there will be no more negotiation of the Brexit deal we have put forward. So how do amendments work if the EU leaders won't consider them?
Have I missed something?"
nope you have got it the thing is the eu will consider amendments as long as we stay firm and dont take no deal off the table as it is the last thing they want as we have a trade deficit with them. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I'm not really au fait with politics and I need everything explained to me in the simplest terms.
I've just been reading that some MPs have put forward amendments to Mrs May's Brexit deal.
Now, I was of the understanding that the EU leaders have said there will be no more negotiation of the Brexit deal we have put forward. So how do amendments work if the EU leaders won't consider them?
Have I missed something?nope you have got it the thing is the eu will consider amendments as long as we stay firm and dont take no deal off the table as it is the last thing they want as we have a trade deficit with them."
So an amendment will be a small change to something already in the deal? Something to do with the Irish backstop?
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"I'm not really au fait with politics and I need everything explained to me in the simplest terms.
I've just been reading that some MPs have put forward amendments to Mrs May's Brexit deal.
Now, I was of the understanding that the EU leaders have said there will be no more negotiation of the Brexit deal we have put forward. So how do amendments work if the EU leaders won't consider them?
Have I missed something?nope you have got it the thing is the eu will consider amendments as long as we stay firm and dont take no deal off the table as it is the last thing they want as we have a trade deficit with them.
So an amendment will be a small change to something already in the deal? Something to do with the Irish backstop?
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i think there are a number of amendments being put forward today but what they are i have no idea sorry. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'm not really au fait with politics and I need everything explained to me in the simplest terms.
I've just been reading that some MPs have put forward amendments to Mrs May's Brexit deal.
Now, I was of the understanding that the EU leaders have said there will be no more negotiation of the Brexit deal we have put forward. So how do amendments work if the EU leaders won't consider them?
Have I missed something?nope you have got it the thing is the eu will consider amendments as long as we stay firm and dont take no deal off the table as it is the last thing they want as we have a trade deficit with them.
So an amendment will be a small change to something already in the deal? Something to do with the Irish backstop?
i think there are a number of amendments being put forward today but what they are i have no idea sorry."
Appears she knows more than you do about it. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"I'm not really au fait with politics and I need everything explained to me in the simplest terms.
I've just been reading that some MPs have put forward amendments to Mrs May's Brexit deal.
Now, I was of the understanding that the EU leaders have said there will be no more negotiation of the Brexit deal we have put forward. So how do amendments work if the EU leaders won't consider them?
Have I missed something?nope you have got it the thing is the eu will consider amendments as long as we stay firm and dont take no deal off the table as it is the last thing they want as we have a trade deficit with them.
So an amendment will be a small change to something already in the deal? Something to do with the Irish backstop?
i think there are a number of amendments being put forward today but what they are i have no idea sorry.
Appears she knows more than you do about it."
i wondered how long it would be before my troll turned up.  |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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The UK Parliament can put forward any amendment it wants to the agreement.
For any to be implemented, the agreement of the other party is required.
The EU27 have been resolute in their stance to date.
Is the UK really willing to leap off the cliff into the abyss? Is the EU willing to absorb the collateral damage?
Who will blink first?
And if the UK insists on changing this and that, there is nothing to stop Spain, France or Ireland scratching at their sore points either. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"I'm not really au fait with politics and I need everything explained to me in the simplest terms.
I've just been reading that some MPs have put forward amendments to Mrs May's Brexit deal.
Now, I was of the understanding that the EU leaders have said there will be no more negotiation of the Brexit deal we have put forward. So how do amendments work if the EU leaders won't consider them?
Have I missed something?"
basically most of them are symbolic... they are being tabled to see if any amendment will win tonight so it would give the government a steer as to whether there will be a consensus on a way forward...
the problem is that everything will end up being defeated tonight.... and we will be at a complete inpass... |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"I'm not really au fait with politics and I need everything explained to me in the simplest terms.
I've just been reading that some MPs have put forward amendments to Mrs May's Brexit deal.
Now, I was of the understanding that the EU leaders have said there will be no more negotiation of the Brexit deal we have put forward. So how do amendments work if the EU leaders won't consider them?
Have I missed something?
basically most of them are symbolic... they are being tabled to see if any amendment will win tonight so it would give the government a steer as to whether there will be a consensus on a way forward...
the problem is that everything will end up being defeated tonight.... and we will be at a complete inpass..."
Think you are right there _abio,hillary benn has just pulled his amendment as he realized it could help the PM. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm not really au fait with politics and I need everything explained to me in the simplest terms.
I've just been reading that some MPs have put forward amendments to Mrs May's Brexit deal.
Now, I was of the understanding that the EU leaders have said there will be no more negotiation of the Brexit deal we have put forward. So how do amendments work if the EU leaders won't consider them?
Have I missed something?nope you have got it the thing is the eu will consider amendments as long as we stay firm and dont take no deal off the table as it is the last thing they want as we have a trade deficit with them.
So an amendment will be a small change to something already in the deal? Something to do with the Irish backstop?
i think there are a number of amendments being put forward today but what they are i have no idea sorry.
Appears she knows more than you do about it.i wondered how long it would be before my troll turned up. "
Troll? You tried to answer authoritatively on the subject got asked a question and then admitted you basically don't know anything about it! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I'm not really au fait with politics and I need everything explained to me in the simplest terms.
I've just been reading that some MPs have put forward amendments to Mrs May's Brexit deal.
Now, I was of the understanding that the EU leaders have said there will be no more negotiation of the Brexit deal we have put forward. So how do amendments work if the EU leaders won't consider them?
Have I missed something?
basically most of them are symbolic... they are being tabled to see if any amendment will win tonight so it would give the government a steer as to whether there will be a consensus on a way forward...
the problem is that everything will end up being defeated tonight.... and we will be at a complete inpass..."
It all seems rather pointless and a waste of time to me. I think it's making a laughing stock of our Government across the globe.
Admittedly, I'm not very politically minded but I have been trying to keep up with what's going on. It's finding impartial facts I find difficult. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
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It all seems rather pointless and a waste of time to me. I think it's making a laughing stock of our Government across the globe.
Admittedly, I'm not very politically minded but I have been trying to keep up with what's going on. It's finding impartial facts I find difficult."
if you want to know what time to start paying attention... probably somewhere around 6pm tonight.... may and corbyn will make final speeches....
7 pm the voting on all the amendments will start... around 15 minutes per amendment.... the really important vote is the last one (with will be the one around the entire bill), which will likely be around 9pm....
or you could be a political wonk... i have finished work for the day... and am going to watch most of the final day starting in about 15 minutes  |
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"I'm not really au fait with politics and I need everything explained to me in the simplest terms.
I've just been reading that some MPs have put forward amendments to Mrs May's Brexit deal.
Now, I was of the understanding that the EU leaders have said there will be no more negotiation of the Brexit deal we have put forward. So how do amendments work if the EU leaders won't consider them?
Have I missed something?
basically most of them are symbolic... they are being tabled to see if any amendment will win tonight so it would give the government a steer as to whether there will be a consensus on a way forward...
the problem is that everything will end up being defeated tonight.... and we will be at a complete inpass...
It all seems rather pointless and a waste of time to me. I think it's making a laughing stock of our Government across the globe.
Admittedly, I'm not very politically minded but I have been trying to keep up with what's going on. It's finding impartial facts I find difficult."
I would say that our Government has made us a laughing stock these last 30 or so months.. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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It all seems rather pointless and a waste of time to me. I think it's making a laughing stock of our Government across the globe.
Admittedly, I'm not very politically minded but I have been trying to keep up with what's going on. It's finding impartial facts I find difficult.
if you want to know what time to start paying attention... probably somewhere around 6pm tonight.... may and corbyn will make final speeches....
7 pm the voting on all the amendments will start... around 15 minutes per amendment.... the really important vote is the last one (with will be the one around the entire bill), which will likely be around 9pm....
or you could be a political wonk... i have finished work for the day... and am going to watch most of the final day starting in about 15 minutes "
I can only look using my phone as I don't have a television. I'll have to find a reliable television channel to watch it all on.
I'm more a political gonk. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
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I can only look using my phone as I don't have a television. I'll have to find a reliable television channel to watch it all on.
I'm more a political gonk."
bbc iplayer app.... bbc parliament.... or sky news app..
anyway speaker has only selected 4 amendments....1 labour, 1 snp and 2 conservative (not the ones the govt were really backing)... so all the outs the government thought they may have have been taken away....
interesting the lib dem amendment was not chosen... so no 2nd referendum amendment tonight either....
since its only 4 amendments... move things up about an hour....
so the big vote now is likely to be around 8-8.15 tonight..... |
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"I'm not really au fait with politics and I need everything explained to me in the simplest terms.
I've just been reading that some MPs have put forward amendments to Mrs May's Brexit deal.
Now, I was of the understanding that the EU leaders have said there will be no more negotiation of the Brexit deal we have put forward. So how do amendments work if the EU leaders won't consider them?
Have I missed something?
basically most of them are symbolic... they are being tabled to see if any amendment will win tonight so it would give the government a steer as to whether there will be a consensus on a way forward...
the problem is that everything will end up being defeated tonight.... and we will be at a complete inpass...Think you are right there _abio,hillary benn has just pulled his amendment as he realized it could help the PM."
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I can only look using my phone as I don't have a television. I'll have to find a reliable television channel to watch it all on.
I'm more a political gonk.
bbc iplayer app.... bbc parliament.... or sky news app..
anyway speaker has only selected 4 amendments....1 labour, 1 snp and 2 conservative (not the ones the govt were really backing)... so all the outs the government thought they may have have been taken away....
interesting the lib dem amendment was not chosen... so no 2nd referendum amendment tonight either....
since its only 4 amendments... move things up about an hour....
so the big vote now is likely to be around 8-8.15 tonight....."
Is Grieves one still on the order paper? |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
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I can only look using my phone as I don't have a television. I'll have to find a reliable television channel to watch it all on.
I'm more a political gonk.
bbc iplayer app.... bbc parliament.... or sky news app..
anyway speaker has only selected 4 amendments....1 labour, 1 snp and 2 conservative (not the ones the govt were really backing)... so all the outs the government thought they may have have been taken away....
interesting the lib dem amendment was not chosen... so no 2nd referendum amendment tonight either....
since its only 4 amendments... move things up about an hour....
so the big vote now is likely to be around 8-8.15 tonight....."
Yes noticed he hasnt selected the ones the government thought could help them waiting now to see what everyone is going to say about bercow now. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
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Is Grieves one still on the order paper? "
the grieve one was the one voted on the other day that caused the uproar about amending a business motion... so if may loses the big vote tonight, they will have 3 days to come back to the house and tell us what plan b is..... |
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Is Grieves one still on the order paper?
the grieve one was the one voted on the other day that caused the uproar about amending a business motion... so if may loses the big vote tonight, they will have 3 days to come back to the house and tell us what plan b is....."
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"He's only ensuring that Parliament is sovereign which I thought was a core desire of those who voted to leave..?
Can't see the problem..  "
Well if that was the case he had the time why not put another couple up does he need to get home early? |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
" Yes noticed he hasnt selected the ones the government thought could help them waiting now to see what everyone is going to say about bercow now."
leavers are going to say "bloody remainer bastard!!!" i like it thought, if only because it again tilts the power from a government who didn't really want parliament to have a say, to parliament having a much greater say in what happens....
kinda ironic in that people what powers brought back from brussels... then argueing against it when they don't like what that actually looks like... |
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"He's only ensuring that Parliament is sovereign which I thought was a core desire of those who voted to leave..?
Can't see the problem.. Well if that was the case he had the time why not put another couple up does he need to get home early?"
Bit like chairing a meeting, sometimes there needs to be a bit of chairs ruling to facilitate business..
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" Yes noticed he hasnt selected the ones the government thought could help them waiting now to see what everyone is going to say about bercow now.
leavers are going to say "bloody remainer bastard!!!" i like it thought, if only because it again tilts the power from a government who didn't really want parliament to have a say, to parliament having a much greater say in what happens....
kinda ironic in that people what powers brought back from brussels... then argueing against it when they don't like what that actually looks like... "
One could even say they or some of them did not know what they were on about when they asked the question..
Surely not.. |
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interesting the lib dem amendment was not chosen... so no 2nd referendum amendment tonight either....
since its only 4 amendments... move things up about an hour....
so the big vote now is likely to be around 8-8.15 tonight.....
Yes noticed he hasnt selected the ones the government thought could help them waiting now to see what everyone is going to say about bercow now."
He should be awarded the "Hero of the United Kingdom" for his relentless quest for parliamentary sovereignty |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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" Yes noticed he hasnt selected the ones the government thought could help them waiting now to see what everyone is going to say about bercow now.
leavers are going to say "bloody remainer bastard!!!" i like it thought, if only because it again tilts the power from a government who didn't really want parliament to have a say, to parliament having a much greater say in what happens....
kinda ironic in that people what powers brought back from brussels... then argueing against it when they don't like what that actually looks like... "
Think you are missing the point _abio even if you do like it he shouldnt be tilting anything hes supposed to be neuteral.Think you would be singing a different tune if it was tilted the other way. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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" Yes noticed he hasnt selected the ones the government thought could help them waiting now to see what everyone is going to say about bercow now.
leavers are going to say "bloody remainer bastard!!!" i like it thought, if only because it again tilts the power from a government who didn't really want parliament to have a say, to parliament having a much greater say in what happens....
kinda ironic in that people what powers brought back from brussels... then argueing against it when they don't like what that actually looks like... Think you are missing the point _abio even if you do like it he shouldnt be tilting anything hes supposed to be neuteral.Think you would be singing a different tune if it was tilted the other way."
you mean like in the queens speech where he allowed that to be ammended on day of to allow for the referendum bill to be added...... so against convention! tsk tsk!
I mean, if he had not allowed that... we wouldn't be where we are now!! |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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" Yes noticed he hasnt selected the ones the government thought could help them waiting now to see what everyone is going to say about bercow now.
leavers are going to say "bloody remainer bastard!!!" i like it thought, if only because it again tilts the power from a government who didn't really want parliament to have a say, to parliament having a much greater say in what happens....
kinda ironic in that people what powers brought back from brussels... then argueing against it when they don't like what that actually looks like... Think you are missing the point _abio even if you do like it he shouldnt be tilting anything hes supposed to be neuteral.Think you would be singing a different tune if it was tilted the other way.
you mean like in the queens speech where he allowed that to be ammended on day of to allow for the referendum bill to be added...... so against convention! tsk tsk!
I mean, if he had not allowed that... we wouldn't be where we are now!! "
_abio these amendments have to be voted on what you scared of? |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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" Yes noticed he hasnt selected the ones the government thought could help them waiting now to see what everyone is going to say about bercow now.
leavers are going to say "bloody remainer bastard!!!" i like it thought, if only because it again tilts the power from a government who didn't really want parliament to have a say, to parliament having a much greater say in what happens....
kinda ironic in that people what powers brought back from brussels... then argueing against it when they don't like what that actually looks like... Think you are missing the point _abio even if you do like it he shouldnt be tilting anything hes supposed to be neuteral.Think you would be singing a different tune if it was tilted the other way.
you mean like in the queens speech where he allowed that to be ammended on day of to allow for the referendum bill to be added...... so against convention! tsk tsk!
I mean, if he had not allowed that... we wouldn't be where we are now!! _abio these amendments have to be voted on what you scared of?"
not scared of anything..... i was just point out your uproar wasn't really that loud then... but seems to be much louder now.....
does it go both ways... or only decisions you don't really care for? |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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" Yes noticed he hasnt selected the ones the government thought could help them waiting now to see what everyone is going to say about bercow now.
leavers are going to say "bloody remainer bastard!!!" i like it thought, if only because it again tilts the power from a government who didn't really want parliament to have a say, to parliament having a much greater say in what happens....
kinda ironic in that people what powers brought back from brussels... then argueing against it when they don't like what that actually looks like... Think you are missing the point _abio even if you do like it he shouldnt be tilting anything hes supposed to be neuteral.Think you would be singing a different tune if it was tilted the other way.
you mean like in the queens speech where he allowed that to be ammended on day of to allow for the referendum bill to be added...... so against convention! tsk tsk!
I mean, if he had not allowed that... we wouldn't be where we are now!! _abio these amendments have to be voted on what you scared of?
not scared of anything..... i was just point out your uproar wasn't really that loud then... but seems to be much louder now.....
does it go both ways... or only decisions you don't really care for?"
My uproar  i was just making a point and to be honest i dont remember a post on it let alone posting on it.Not really bothered about any amendments at this stage,its going to get voted down the default position is to leave so im quiet happy. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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" Yes noticed he hasnt selected the ones the government thought could help them waiting now to see what everyone is going to say about bercow now.
leavers are going to say "bloody remainer bastard!!!" i like it thought, if only because it again tilts the power from a government who didn't really want parliament to have a say, to parliament having a much greater say in what happens....
kinda ironic in that people what powers brought back from brussels... then argueing against it when they don't like what that actually looks like... "
Don't they want a Government who has power, who does what they asked? Or a Government that does what it wants? If it's the latter they might as well have voted remain. |
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