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How long will Article 50 be extended for and when? I think with just a few weeks left of it, where the conservative party, let alone the government, hasn't agreed what it wants, it should cancel Article 50, as its Plan B. And then work out how it gets its act together and what it's going to do - but I'm assuming that we'll get a request for Article 50 extension submitted and accepted by the EU.
We've got EU elections coming up in May, I think, so perhaps a chance for ukip to extend their income for work that they don't contribute much to. So extension would complicate the UK remaining an EU member overlapping this date.
July is a potential proposal. |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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I think May's deal will be voted down. She will come back on Friday with two options:
No Deal, or
Revoke Article 50.
Parliament will vote to revoke Article 50, Brexit will be dead.
But then what could happen is the EU will tell us, knowing that parliament has revoked A50, that, although a mere formality, we will have to reapply for membership. This will, of course, be approved, but there will be different terms to our membership. These terms will include, but not be limited to, the Euro, loss of rebate, joining shengen. |
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"I think May's deal will be voted down. She will come back on Friday with two options:
No Deal, or
Revoke Article 50.
Parliament will vote to revoke Article 50, Brexit will be dead.
But then what could happen is the EU will tell us, knowing that parliament has revoked A50, that, although a mere formality, we will have to reapply for membership. This will, of course, be approved, but there will be different terms to our membership. These terms will include, but not be limited to, the Euro, loss of rebate, joining shengen."
No a ruling has confirmed that we retain exactly the same terms! Project fear there from a leaver! |
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"I think May's deal will be voted down. She will come back on Friday with two options:
No Deal, or
Revoke Article 50.
Parliament will vote to revoke Article 50, Brexit will be dead.
But then what could happen is the EU will tell us, knowing that parliament has revoked A50, that, although a mere formality, we will have to reapply for membership. This will, of course, be approved, but there will be different terms to our membership. These terms will include, but not be limited to, the Euro, loss of rebate, joining shengen."
None of which will be accepted so we would remain out, that would seem to be from them not a good idea..
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"I think May's deal will be voted down. She will come back on Friday with two options:
No Deal, or
Revoke Article 50.
Parliament will vote to revoke Article 50, Brexit will be dead.
But then what could happen is the EU will tell us, knowing that parliament has revoked A50, that, although a mere formality, we will have to reapply for membership. This will, of course, be approved, but there will be different terms to our membership. These terms will include, but not be limited to, the Euro, loss of rebate, joining shengen."
They have already said we could keep our current deal haven't they? |
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"I think May's deal will be voted down. She will come back on Friday with two options:
No Deal, or
Revoke Article 50.
Parliament will vote to revoke Article 50, Brexit will be dead.
But then what could happen is the EU will tell us, knowing that parliament has revoked A50, that, although a mere formality, we will have to reapply for membership. This will, of course, be approved, but there will be different terms to our membership. These terms will include, but not be limited to, the Euro, loss of rebate, joining shengen.
No a ruling has confirmed that we retain exactly the same terms! Project fear there from a leaver!"
The actual ruling was on the 10th December 2018 - widely reported- you obviously missed it? |
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The intelligent - but brave - thing to do would be to revoke Article 50, as it retains the UK's long-standing membership rights etc, as others say here. But I don't think that May is brave enough to do this, nor does she want to lose any face, which I think she'd perceive as happening, as she wouldn't have a good plan for brexit reactivation afterwards. I don't think she'd be brave enough to claim that leaving the EU isn't the right thing to do.
Why did we ever get brexit?
1.To ensure that the conservatives continued in power (to pull ukip voters back).
2. The EU is introducing major changes against tax evasion - and many conservatives hate this with a vengeance. Consider high profile tories who have connections to this type of activity 
May also tried to regain 5 years of government with her 2017 general election.
The conservatives are in it for power and the money and not for the everyday person in the streets: their needs aren't important to them. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"The intelligent - but brave - thing to do would be to revoke Article 50, as it retains the UK's long-standing membership rights etc, as others say here. But I don't think that May is brave enough to do this, nor does she want to lose any face, which I think she'd perceive as happening, as she wouldn't have a good plan for brexit reactivation afterwards. I don't think she'd be brave enough to claim that leaving the EU isn't the right thing to do.
Why did we ever get brexit?
1.To ensure that the conservatives continued in power (to pull ukip voters back).
2. The EU is introducing major changes against tax evasion - and many conservatives hate this with a vengeance. Consider high profile tories who have connections to this type of activity
May also tried to regain 5 years of government with her 2017 general election.
The conservatives are in it for power and the money and not for the everyday person in the streets: their needs aren't important to them."
You seem to forget she wanted to remain she is carrying out the wishes of the referendum which is what she is there for. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"The intelligent - but brave - thing to do would be to revoke Article 50, as it retains the UK's long-standing membership rights etc, as others say here. But I don't think that May is brave enough to do this, nor does she want to lose any face, which I think she'd perceive as happening, as she wouldn't have a good plan for brexit reactivation afterwards. I don't think she'd be brave enough to claim that leaving the EU isn't the right thing to do.
Why did we ever get brexit?
1.To ensure that the conservatives continued in power (to pull ukip voters back).
2. The EU is introducing major changes against tax evasion - and many conservatives hate this with a vengeance. Consider high profile tories who have connections to this type of activity
May also tried to regain 5 years of government with her 2017 general election.
The conservatives are in it for power and the money and not for the everyday person in the streets: their needs aren't important to them."
Did not one labour vote for brexit???????????? |
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"The intelligent - but brave - thing to do would be to revoke Article 50, as it retains the UK's long-standing membership rights etc, as others say here. But I don't think that May is brave enough to do this, nor does she want to lose any face, which I think she'd perceive as happening, as she wouldn't have a good plan for brexit reactivation afterwards. I don't think she'd be brave enough to claim that leaving the EU isn't the right thing to do.
Why did we ever get brexit?
1.To ensure that the conservatives continued in power (to pull ukip voters back).
2. The EU is introducing major changes against tax evasion - and many conservatives hate this with a vengeance. Consider high profile tories who have connections to this type of activity
May also tried to regain 5 years of government with her 2017 general election.
The conservatives are in it for power and the money and not for the everyday person in the streets: their needs aren't important to them.Did not one labour vote for brexit????????????"
The official position of both the Conservative party and the Labour party was to remain during the referendum campaign in 2016.
The only reason we're getting Brexit is because a majority (the 52%) voted for it in the referendum.  |
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"The intelligent - but brave - thing to do would be to revoke Article 50, as it retains the UK's long-standing membership rights etc, as others say here. But I don't think that May is brave enough to do this, nor does she want to lose any face, which I think she'd perceive as happening, as she wouldn't have a good plan for brexit reactivation afterwards. I don't think she'd be brave enough to claim that leaving the EU isn't the right thing to do.
Why did we ever get brexit?
1.To ensure that the conservatives continued in power (to pull ukip voters back).
2. The EU is introducing major changes against tax evasion - and many conservatives hate this with a vengeance. Consider high profile tories who have connections to this type of activity
May also tried to regain 5 years of government with her 2017 general election.
The conservatives are in it for power and the money and not for the everyday person in the streets: their needs aren't important to them.Did not one labour vote for brexit????????????
The official position of both the Conservative party and the Labour party was to remain during the referendum campaign in 2016.
The only reason we're getting Brexit is because a majority (the 52%) voted for it in the referendum. "
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"How long will Article 50 be extended for and when? I think with just a few weeks left of it, where the conservative party, let alone the government, hasn't agreed what it wants, it should cancel Article 50, as its Plan B. And then work out how it gets its act together and what it's going to do - but I'm assuming that we'll get a request for Article 50 extension submitted and accepted by the EU.
We've got EU elections coming up in May, I think, so perhaps a chance for ukip to extend their income for work that they don't contribute much to. So extension would complicate the UK remaining an EU member overlapping this date.
July is a potential proposal."
July is a potential proposal by who? Remoaners?
The truth of the matter is the EU doesn't want any extension of article 50 going beyond May 2019. The EU wants Brexit sorted before the European MEP elections at the end of May.
The EU ambassador to the USA, David O Sullivan revealed in an interview on Fox News on American Television the EU will only be willing to grant an extension of article 50 of less than 2 months to May 2019, and the deadline date for the UK exit from the EU will be set before the European MEP elections. The reason being that the divorce bill settlement in the Withdrawal agreement of £39 Billion is for the UK's liabilities upto the 29th March 2019. Anything beyond that, including voting in new British MEP's would require the EU and the UK to reopen the now settled and negotiated Brexit deal, to renegotiate the £39 billion divorce settlement figure (neither the EU or the UK want to go back and renegotiate on that figure), and Jean Claude Juncker, Michel Barnier and Donald Tusk have all said there is absolutely no possible way of reopening negotiations on the deal. This revelation from the EU Ambassador to the USA David O Sullivan also rules out the possibility of a 2nd referendum, as a 2nd referendum in the UK would also go beyond the May 2019 deadline that the EU is set on. The story about EU ambassador David O Sullivan's interview on Fox is here.....
www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1071076/Brexit-News-Brussels-Remainers-EU-leaders-second-referendum |
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"The intelligent - but brave - thing to do would be to revoke Article 50, as it retains the UK's long-standing membership rights etc, as others say here. But I don't think that May is brave enough to do this, nor does she want to lose any face, which I think she'd perceive as happening, as she wouldn't have a good plan for brexit reactivation afterwards. I don't think she'd be brave enough to claim that leaving the EU isn't the right thing to do.
Why did we ever get brexit?
1.To ensure that the conservatives continued in power (to pull ukip voters back).
2. The EU is introducing major changes against tax evasion - and many conservatives hate this with a vengeance. Consider high profile tories who have connections to this type of activity
May also tried to regain 5 years of government with her 2017 general election.
The conservatives are in it for power and the money and not for the everyday person in the streets: their needs aren't important to them.Did not one labour vote for brexit????????????"
Loads and included in policy. And despite policies, there are people wanting in and out in both parties.
But if David Cameron hadn't promised a referendum in his conservative manifesto - due to wanting to win voters from ukip - we wouldn't have had this chain of disasters. He's also had connections to tax 'management' purveyors. |
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"The intelligent - but brave - thing to do would be to revoke Article 50, as it retains the UK's long-standing membership rights etc, as others say here. But I don't think that May is brave enough to do this, nor does she want to lose any face, which I think she'd perceive as happening, as she wouldn't have a good plan for brexit reactivation afterwards. I don't think she'd be brave enough to claim that leaving the EU isn't the right thing to do.
Why did we ever get brexit?
1.To ensure that the conservatives continued in power (to pull ukip voters back).
2. The EU is introducing major changes against tax evasion - and many conservatives hate this with a vengeance. Consider high profile tories who have connections to this type of activity
May also tried to regain 5 years of government with her 2017 general election.
The conservatives are in it for power and the money and not for the everyday person in the streets: their needs aren't important to them.Did not one labour vote for brexit????????????
Loads and included in policy. And despite policies, there are people wanting in and out in both parties.
But if David Cameron hadn't promised a referendum in his conservative manifesto - due to wanting to win voters from ukip - we wouldn't have had this chain of disasters. He's also had connections to tax 'management' purveyors."
Well done UKIP for forcing Camoron’s hand, and roll on BREXIT. It will happen because no political leader would ever dare to defy a national referendum. |
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"The story about EU ambassador David O Sullivan's interview on Fox is here.....
www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1071076/Brexit-News-Brussels-Remainers-EU-leaders-second-referendum"
Yikes, The Express and Fox, in one fell swoop That could lead to my demise.
I've no leaked connections to the EU - the thread was to get estimates from people here and when the UK might actually leave the EU. |
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"The story about EU ambassador David O Sullivan's interview on Fox is here.....
www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1071076/Brexit-News-Brussels-Remainers-EU-leaders-second-referendum
Yikes, The Express and Fox, in one fell swoop That could lead to my demise.
I've no leaked connections to the EU - the thread was to get estimates from people here and when the UK might actually leave the EU. "
The link tells you what EU Ambassador to the USA, David O Sullivan is saying on the matter. David O Sullivan is saying the EU won't allow an extension of article 50 beyond the European MEP elections at the end of May 2019. |
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"The intelligent - but brave - thing to do would be to revoke Article 50, as it retains the UK's long-standing membership rights etc, as others say here. But I don't think that May is brave enough to do this, nor does she want to lose any face, which I think she'd perceive as happening, as she wouldn't have a good plan for brexit reactivation afterwards. I don't think she'd be brave enough to claim that leaving the EU isn't the right thing to do.
Why did we ever get brexit?
1.To ensure that the conservatives continued in power (to pull ukip voters back).
2. The EU is introducing major changes against tax evasion - and many conservatives hate this with a vengeance. Consider high profile tories who have connections to this type of activity
May also tried to regain 5 years of government with her 2017 general election.
The conservatives are in it for power and the money and not for the everyday person in the streets: their needs aren't important to them.Did not one labour vote for brexit????????????
Loads and included in policy. And despite policies, there are people wanting in and out in both parties.
But if David Cameron hadn't promised a referendum in his conservative manifesto - due to wanting to win voters from ukip - we wouldn't have had this chain of disasters. He's also had connections to tax 'management' purveyors.
Well done UKIP for forcing Camoron’s hand, and roll on BREXIT. It will happen because no political leader would ever dare to defy a national referendum."
You do realise that political leaders have defied them before...Ireland!!!!!!! |
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"The intelligent - but brave - thing to do would be to revoke Article 50, as it retains the UK's long-standing membership rights etc, as others say here. But I don't think that May is brave enough to do this, nor does she want to lose any face, which I think she'd perceive as happening, as she wouldn't have a good plan for brexit reactivation afterwards. I don't think she'd be brave enough to claim that leaving the EU isn't the right thing to do.
Why did we ever get brexit?
1.To ensure that the conservatives continued in power (to pull ukip voters back).
2. The EU is introducing major changes against tax evasion - and many conservatives hate this with a vengeance. Consider high profile tories who have connections to this type of activity
May also tried to regain 5 years of government with her 2017 general election.
The conservatives are in it for power and the money and not for the everyday person in the streets: their needs aren't important to them.Did not one labour vote for brexit????????????
Loads and included in policy. And despite policies, there are people wanting in and out in both parties.
But if David Cameron hadn't promised a referendum in his conservative manifesto - due to wanting to win voters from ukip - we wouldn't have had this chain of disasters. He's also had connections to tax 'management' purveyors.
Well done UKIP for forcing Camoron’s hand, and roll on BREXIT. It will happen because no political leader would ever dare to defy a national referendum."
Considering Ukip won the last European MEP elections here in the UK in 2014 under the brilliant leadership of Nigel Farage, then David Cameron had little choice but to offer a referendum on our membership of the EU. Ukip's win of the MEP elections in 2014 signalled that the Uk was not happy being in the EU, this was then proven by Leave winning the EU referendum in 2016. |
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"The intelligent - but brave - thing to do would be to revoke Article 50, as it retains the UK's long-standing membership rights etc, as others say here. But I don't think that May is brave enough to do this, nor does she want to lose any face, which I think she'd perceive as happening, as she wouldn't have a good plan for brexit reactivation afterwards. I don't think she'd be brave enough to claim that leaving the EU isn't the right thing to do.
Why did we ever get brexit?
1.To ensure that the conservatives continued in power (to pull ukip voters back).
2. The EU is introducing major changes against tax evasion - and many conservatives hate this with a vengeance. Consider high profile tories who have connections to this type of activity
May also tried to regain 5 years of government with her 2017 general election.
The conservatives are in it for power and the money and not for the everyday person in the streets: their needs aren't important to them.Did not one labour vote for brexit????????????
Loads and included in policy. And despite policies, there are people wanting in and out in both parties.
But if David Cameron hadn't promised a referendum in his conservative manifesto - due to wanting to win voters from ukip - we wouldn't have had this chain of disasters. He's also had connections to tax 'management' purveyors.
Well done UKIP for forcing Camoron’s hand, and roll on BREXIT. It will happen because no political leader would ever dare to defy a national referendum.
Considering Ukip won the last European MEP elections here in the UK in 2014 under the brilliant leadership of Nigel Farage, then David Cameron had little choice but to offer a referendum on our membership of the EU. Ukip's win of the MEP elections in 2014 signalled that the Uk was not happy being in the EU, this was then proven by Leave winning the EU referendum in 2016. "
What's happened to Ukip since? Also why are you so worried about a second referendum if there is such strong support?
You sound like a Manchester United fan reminiscing about the glory days under Fergie.
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"The intelligent - but brave - thing to do would be to revoke Article 50, as it retains the UK's long-standing membership rights etc, as others say here. But I don't think that May is brave enough to do this, nor does she want to lose any face, which I think she'd perceive as happening, as she wouldn't have a good plan for brexit reactivation afterwards. I don't think she'd be brave enough to claim that leaving the EU isn't the right thing to do.
Why did we ever get brexit?
1.To ensure that the conservatives continued in power (to pull ukip voters back).
2. The EU is introducing major changes against tax evasion - and many conservatives hate this with a vengeance. Consider high profile tories who have connections to this type of activity
May also tried to regain 5 years of government with her 2017 general election.
The conservatives are in it for power and the money and not for the everyday person in the streets: their needs aren't important to them.Did not one labour vote for brexit????????????
Loads and included in policy. And despite policies, there are people wanting in and out in both parties.
But if David Cameron hadn't promised a referendum in his conservative manifesto - due to wanting to win voters from ukip - we wouldn't have had this chain of disasters. He's also had connections to tax 'management' purveyors.
Well done UKIP for forcing Camoron’s hand, and roll on BREXIT. It will happen because no political leader would ever dare to defy a national referendum.
Considering Ukip won the last European MEP elections here in the UK in 2014 under the brilliant leadership of Nigel Farage, then David Cameron had little choice but to offer a referendum on our membership of the EU. Ukip's win of the MEP elections in 2014 signalled that the Uk was not happy being in the EU, this was then proven by Leave winning the EU referendum in 2016.
What's happened to Ukip since? Also why are you so worried about a second referendum if there is such strong support?
You sound like a Manchester United fan reminiscing about the glory days under Fergie.
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What has happened to the UKIP vote since? Silly queston really seeing as the purpose of Ukip has been fulfilled, which is to get the UK out of the EU.
If by some establishment stitch up we end up remaining in the EU, and the referendum result is not fulfilled though, then i fully expect Ukip to come back with a vengeance, it will be a political backlash the like of which has never been seen before in this country. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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What has happened to the UKIP vote since? Silly queston really seeing as the purpose of Ukip has been fulfilled, which is to get the UK out of the EU.
If by some establishment stitch up we end up remaining in the EU, and the referendum result is not fulfilled though, then i fully expect Ukip to come back with a vengeance, it will be a political backlash the like of which has never been seen before in this country. "
It would be a landslide - if you bring back Farage and ditch Robinson.
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"The intelligent - but brave - thing to do would be to revoke Article 50, as it retains the UK's long-standing membership rights etc, as others say here. But I don't think that May is brave enough to do this, nor does she want to lose any face, which I think she'd perceive as happening, as she wouldn't have a good plan for brexit reactivation afterwards. I don't think she'd be brave enough to claim that leaving the EU isn't the right thing to do.
Why did we ever get brexit?
1.To ensure that the conservatives continued in power (to pull ukip voters back).
2. The EU is introducing major changes against tax evasion - and many conservatives hate this with a vengeance. Consider high profile tories who have connections to this type of activity
May also tried to regain 5 years of government with her 2017 general election.
The conservatives are in it for power and the money and not for the everyday person in the streets: their needs aren't important to them.Did not one labour vote for brexit????????????
Loads and included in policy. And despite policies, there are people wanting in and out in both parties.
But if David Cameron hadn't promised a referendum in his conservative manifesto - due to wanting to win voters from ukip - we wouldn't have had this chain of disasters. He's also had connections to tax 'management' purveyors.
Well done UKIP for forcing Camoron’s hand, and roll on BREXIT. It will happen because no political leader would ever dare to defy a national referendum.
Considering Ukip won the last European MEP elections here in the UK in 2014 under the brilliant leadership of Nigel Farage, then David Cameron had little choice but to offer a referendum on our membership of the EU. Ukip's win of the MEP elections in 2014 signalled that the Uk was not happy being in the EU, this was then proven by Leave winning the EU referendum in 2016.
What's happened to Ukip since? Also why are you so worried about a second referendum if there is such strong support?
You sound like a Manchester United fan reminiscing about the glory days under Fergie.
What has happened to the UKIP vote since? Silly queston really seeing as the purpose of Ukip has been fulfilled, which is to get the UK out of the EU.
If by some establishment stitch up we end up remaining in the EU, and the referendum result is not fulfilled though, then i fully expect Ukip to come back with a vengeance, it will be a political backlash the like of which has never been seen before in this country. "
I hope this never happens but if leave doesnt happen i can see the tories being totally wiped out at the next elections,the far left labour running riot with a large majority and the birth of a far right party,dangerous times are ahead. |
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"The intelligent - but brave - thing to do would be to revoke Article 50, as it retains the UK's long-standing membership rights etc, as others say here. But I don't think that May is brave enough to do this, nor does she want to lose any face, which I think she'd perceive as happening, as she wouldn't have a good plan for brexit reactivation afterwards. I don't think she'd be brave enough to claim that leaving the EU isn't the right thing to do.
Why did we ever get brexit?
1.To ensure that the conservatives continued in power (to pull ukip voters back).
2. The EU is introducing major changes against tax evasion - and many conservatives hate this with a vengeance. Consider high profile tories who have connections to this type of activity
May also tried to regain 5 years of government with her 2017 general election.
The conservatives are in it for power and the money and not for the everyday person in the streets: their needs aren't important to them.Did not one labour vote for brexit????????????
Loads and included in policy. And despite policies, there are people wanting in and out in both parties.
But if David Cameron hadn't promised a referendum in his conservative manifesto - due to wanting to win voters from ukip - we wouldn't have had this chain of disasters. He's also had connections to tax 'management' purveyors.
Well done UKIP for forcing Camoron’s hand, and roll on BREXIT. It will happen because no political leader would ever dare to defy a national referendum.
Considering Ukip won the last European MEP elections here in the UK in 2014 under the brilliant leadership of Nigel Farage, then David Cameron had little choice but to offer a referendum on our membership of the EU. Ukip's win of the MEP elections in 2014 signalled that the Uk was not happy being in the EU, this was then proven by Leave winning the EU referendum in 2016.
What's happened to Ukip since? Also why are you so worried about a second referendum if there is such strong support?
You sound like a Manchester United fan reminiscing about the glory days under Fergie.
What has happened to the UKIP vote since? Silly queston really seeing as the purpose of Ukip has been fulfilled, which is to get the UK out of the EU.
If by some establishment stitch up we end up remaining in the EU, and the referendum result is not fulfilled though, then i fully expect Ukip to come back with a vengeance, it will be a political backlash the like of which has never been seen before in this country. I hope this never happens but if leave doesnt happen i can see the tories being totally wiped out at the next elections,the far left labour running riot with a large majority and the birth of a far right party,dangerous times are ahead."
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"The intelligent - but brave - thing to do would be to revoke Article 50, as it retains the UK's long-standing membership rights etc, as others say here. But I don't think that May is brave enough to do this, nor does she want to lose any face, which I think she'd perceive as happening, as she wouldn't have a good plan for brexit reactivation afterwards. I don't think she'd be brave enough to claim that leaving the EU isn't the right thing to do.
Why did we ever get brexit?
1.To ensure that the conservatives continued in power (to pull ukip voters back).
2. The EU is introducing major changes against tax evasion - and many conservatives hate this with a vengeance. Consider high profile tories who have connections to this type of activity
May also tried to regain 5 years of government with her 2017 general election.
The conservatives are in it for power and the money and not for the everyday person in the streets: their needs aren't important to them.Did not one labour vote for brexit????????????
Loads and included in policy. And despite policies, there are people wanting in and out in both parties.
But if David Cameron hadn't promised a referendum in his conservative manifesto - due to wanting to win voters from ukip - we wouldn't have had this chain of disasters. He's also had connections to tax 'management' purveyors.
Well done UKIP for forcing Camoron’s hand, and roll on BREXIT. It will happen because no political leader would ever dare to defy a national referendum.
Considering Ukip won the last European MEP elections here in the UK in 2014 under the brilliant leadership of Nigel Farage, then David Cameron had little choice but to offer a referendum on our membership of the EU. Ukip's win of the MEP elections in 2014 signalled that the Uk was not happy being in the EU, this was then proven by Leave winning the EU referendum in 2016.
What's happened to Ukip since? Also why are you so worried about a second referendum if there is such strong support?
You sound like a Manchester United fan reminiscing about the glory days under Fergie.
What has happened to the UKIP vote since? Silly queston really seeing as the purpose of Ukip has been fulfilled, which is to get the UK out of the EU.
If by some establishment stitch up we end up remaining in the EU, and the referendum result is not fulfilled though, then i fully expect Ukip to come back with a vengeance, it will be a political backlash the like of which has never been seen before in this country. I hope this never happens but if leave doesnt happen i can see the tories being totally wiped out at the next elections,the far left labour running riot with a large majority and the birth of a far right party,dangerous times are ahead.
Who's fault will that be if it happens?"
It will be remainers fault for not respecting, honouring and delivering on the result of the referendum. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"I think May's deal will be voted down. She will come back on Friday with two options:
No Deal, or
Revoke Article 50.
Parliament will vote to revoke Article 50, Brexit will be dead.
But then what could happen is the EU will tell us, knowing that parliament has revoked A50, that, although a mere formality, we will have to reapply for membership. This will, of course, be approved, but there will be different terms to our membership. These terms will include, but not be limited to, the Euro, loss of rebate, joining shengen."
No. She couldn't present that option.
It will be no deal or referendum.
Revoking Article 50 would be an imposed solution.
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"The intelligent - but brave - thing to do would be to revoke Article 50, as it retains the UK's long-standing membership rights etc, as others say here. But I don't think that May is brave enough to do this, nor does she want to lose any face, which I think she'd perceive as happening, as she wouldn't have a good plan for brexit reactivation afterwards. I don't think she'd be brave enough to claim that leaving the EU isn't the right thing to do.
Why did we ever get brexit?
1.To ensure that the conservatives continued in power (to pull ukip voters back).
2. The EU is introducing major changes against tax evasion - and many conservatives hate this with a vengeance. Consider high profile tories who have connections to this type of activity
May also tried to regain 5 years of government with her 2017 general election.
The conservatives are in it for power and the money and not for the everyday person in the streets: their needs aren't important to them.Did not one labour vote for brexit????????????
Loads and included in policy. And despite policies, there are people wanting in and out in both parties.
But if David Cameron hadn't promised a referendum in his conservative manifesto - due to wanting to win voters from ukip - we wouldn't have had this chain of disasters. He's also had connections to tax 'management' purveyors.
Well done UKIP for forcing Camoron’s hand, and roll on BREXIT. It will happen because no political leader would ever dare to defy a national referendum.
Considering Ukip won the last European MEP elections here in the UK in 2014 under the brilliant leadership of Nigel Farage, then David Cameron had little choice but to offer a referendum on our membership of the EU. Ukip's win of the MEP elections in 2014 signalled that the Uk was not happy being in the EU, this was then proven by Leave winning the EU referendum in 2016.
What's happened to Ukip since? Also why are you so worried about a second referendum if there is such strong support?
You sound like a Manchester United fan reminiscing about the glory days under Fergie.
What has happened to the UKIP vote since? Silly queston really seeing as the purpose of Ukip has been fulfilled, which is to get the UK out of the EU.
If by some establishment stitch up we end up remaining in the EU, and the referendum result is not fulfilled though, then i fully expect Ukip to come back with a vengeance, it will be a political backlash the like of which has never been seen before in this country. I hope this never happens but if leave doesnt happen i can see the tories being totally wiped out at the next elections,the far left labour running riot with a large majority and the birth of a far right party,dangerous times are ahead.
Who's fault will that be if it happens?
It will be remainers fault for not respecting, honouring and delivering on the result of the referendum."
Always someone else to blame. Zero personal responsibility
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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The Article 50 letter delivered the outcome of the referendum.
What we have now is a Conservative Party that is out of control.
Their leader brings forward a proposal for how to exit and she cannot get enough of her own party to support it.
Take back control?
Well, Mrs May isn't in control.
Not of her party or the country.
Have you ever seen a shambles like it?
It does not augur well for "global Britain" strutting its stuff on the world stage, does it?
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"I think May's deal will be voted down. She will come back on Friday with two options:
No Deal, or
Revoke Article 50.
Parliament will vote to revoke Article 50, Brexit will be dead.
But then what could happen is the EU will tell us, knowing that parliament has revoked A50, that, although a mere formality, we will have to reapply for membership. This will, of course, be approved, but there will be different terms to our membership. These terms will include, but not be limited to, the Euro, loss of rebate, joining shengen."
Bullcrap. The EU needs stability more than ever, they'll likely let us formally request reapplication then hurry it through.
After all if they really do just "want us for the money" they won't push us away when even pro-EU groups are raising eyebrows at the requests for further budget contribution. |
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"somebodies political party is about to split... but i wonder if it will be the conservatives or it will be labour....
Or both.. "
I think if one does its 50/50 to say if the other does. If onebreaks it gives a potential easy win to the other dominant party. On the other hand it frees both from the leviathan - in short giving the options for a 4 way stand off between pro-EU left/right, Eurosceptic left/right. |
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The true answer to the question posed is nobody knows. Lots of predictions but little certainty to base them upon!
The louder someone claims they know what will happen the more clear it is they don't know what they're talking about.
My guess would be May loses the vote and asks for an extension in the absence of any other good options. EU have been speaking all weekend about the possibility of extending to the summer so it looks like they're willing to do it. They've been pretty disciplined in their messaging to date so it would be a surprise if they started giving misleading messages all of a sudden.
But May having no other good options and the EU being willing to extend the A50 period doesn't mean it will happen. That's just my guess but I've no idea really as there are lots of factors to consider and most of them are unknowable at present. |
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"I think May's deal will be voted down. She will come back on Friday with two options:
No Deal, or
Revoke Article 50.
Parliament will vote to revoke Article 50, Brexit will be dead.
But then what could happen is the EU will tell us, knowing that parliament has revoked A50, that, although a mere formality, we will have to reapply for membership. This will, of course, be approved, but there will be different terms to our membership. These terms will include, but not be limited to, the Euro, loss of rebate, joining shengen."
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"If we revoke Article 50 we just stay in the EU on same terms we have now - we have not left yet and there is provision under Article 50 for this - right up until the final date."
It's the intelligent thing to do, where political parties haven't got their act together and there's insufficient time for them to do so - that's if their party ever will agree |
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"somebodies political party is about to split... but i wonder if it will be the conservatives or it will be labour....
Or both.. "
Maybe time for the more sensible people in both parties to form a new one?
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"The intelligent - but brave - thing to do would be to revoke Article 50, as it retains the UK's long-standing membership rights etc, as others say here. But I don't think that May is brave enough to do this, nor does she want to lose any face, which I think she'd perceive as happening, as she wouldn't have a good plan for brexit reactivation afterwards. I don't think she'd be brave enough to claim that leaving the EU isn't the right thing to do.
Why did we ever get brexit?
1.To ensure that the conservatives continued in power (to pull ukip voters back).
2. The EU is introducing major changes against tax evasion - and many conservatives hate this with a vengeance. Consider high profile tories who have connections to this type of activity
May also tried to regain 5 years of government with her 2017 general election.
The conservatives are in it for power and the money and not for the everyday person in the streets: their needs aren't important to them.Did not one labour vote for brexit????????????
Loads and included in policy. And despite policies, there are people wanting in and out in both parties.
But if David Cameron hadn't promised a referendum in his conservative manifesto - due to wanting to win voters from ukip - we wouldn't have had this chain of disasters. He's also had connections to tax 'management' purveyors.
Well done UKIP for forcing Camoron’s hand, and roll on BREXIT. It will happen because no political leader would ever dare to defy a national referendum.
Considering Ukip won the last European MEP elections here in the UK in 2014 under the brilliant leadership of Nigel Farage, then David Cameron had little choice but to offer a referendum on our membership of the EU. Ukip's win of the MEP elections in 2014 signalled that the Uk was not happy being in the EU, this was then proven by Leave winning the EU referendum in 2016.
What's happened to Ukip since? Also why are you so worried about a second referendum if there is such strong support?
You sound like a Manchester United fan reminiscing about the glory days under Fergie.
What has happened to the UKIP vote since? Silly queston really seeing as the purpose of Ukip has been fulfilled, which is to get the UK out of the EU.
If by some establishment stitch up we end up remaining in the EU, and the referendum result is not fulfilled though, then i fully expect Ukip to come back with a vengeance, it will be a political backlash the like of which has never been seen before in this country. "
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
The UK can withdraw Article 50 unilaterally, that is clear.
But can it suspend?
I do not think it has the power to do so.
It would require the agreement of the EU27 in a meeting of the Council of Ministers.
I read a piece today saying the EU27 could do Mrs May a favour by ruling out that option.
But that would mean the EU27 intervening in the domestic politics of a country, something they have studiously avoided throughout.
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"The intelligent - but brave - thing to do would be to revoke Article 50, as it retains the UK's long-standing membership rights etc, as others say here. But I don't think that May is brave enough to do this, nor does she want to lose any face, which I think she'd perceive as happening, as she wouldn't have a good plan for brexit reactivation afterwards. I don't think she'd be brave enough to claim that leaving the EU isn't the right thing to do.
Why did we ever get brexit?
1.To ensure that the conservatives continued in power (to pull ukip voters back).
2. The EU is introducing major changes against tax evasion - and many conservatives hate this with a vengeance. Consider high profile tories who have connections to this type of activity
May also tried to regain 5 years of government with her 2017 general election.
The conservatives are in it for power and the money and not for the everyday person in the streets: their needs aren't important to them.Did not one labour vote for brexit????????????
Loads and included in policy. And despite policies, there are people wanting in and out in both parties.
But if David Cameron hadn't promised a referendum in his conservative manifesto - due to wanting to win voters from ukip - we wouldn't have had this chain of disasters. He's also had connections to tax 'management' purveyors.
Well done UKIP for forcing Camoron’s hand, and roll on BREXIT. It will happen because no political leader would ever dare to defy a national referendum.
Considering Ukip won the last European MEP elections here in the UK in 2014 under the brilliant leadership of Nigel Farage, then David Cameron had little choice but to offer a referendum on our membership of the EU. Ukip's win of the MEP elections in 2014 signalled that the Uk was not happy being in the EU, this was then proven by Leave winning the EU referendum in 2016.
What's happened to Ukip since? Also why are you so worried about a second referendum if there is such strong support?
You sound like a Manchester United fan reminiscing about the glory days under Fergie.
What has happened to the UKIP vote since? Silly queston really seeing as the purpose of Ukip has been fulfilled, which is to get the UK out of the EU.
If by some establishment stitch up we end up remaining in the EU, and the referendum result is not fulfilled though, then i fully expect Ukip to come back with a vengeance, it will be a political backlash the like of which has never been seen before in this country.
Look forward to seeing that."
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"The intelligent - but brave - thing to do would be to revoke Article 50, as it retains the UK's long-standing membership rights etc, as others say here. But I don't think that May is brave enough to do this, nor does she want to lose any face, which I think she'd perceive as happening, as she wouldn't have a good plan for brexit reactivation afterwards. I don't think she'd be brave enough to claim that leaving the EU isn't the right thing to do.
Why did we ever get brexit?
1.To ensure that the conservatives continued in power (to pull ukip voters back).
2. The EU is introducing major changes against tax evasion - and many conservatives hate this with a vengeance. Consider high profile tories who have connections to this type of activity
May also tried to regain 5 years of government with her 2017 general election.
The conservatives are in it for power and the money and not for the everyday person in the streets: their needs aren't important to them.Did not one labour vote for brexit????????????
Loads and included in policy. And despite policies, there are people wanting in and out in both parties.
But if David Cameron hadn't promised a referendum in his conservative manifesto - due to wanting to win voters from ukip - we wouldn't have had this chain of disasters. He's also had connections to tax 'management' purveyors.
Well done UKIP for forcing Camoron’s hand, and roll on BREXIT. It will happen because no political leader would ever dare to defy a national referendum.
Considering Ukip won the last European MEP elections here in the UK in 2014 under the brilliant leadership of Nigel Farage, then David Cameron had little choice but to offer a referendum on our membership of the EU. Ukip's win of the MEP elections in 2014 signalled that the Uk was not happy being in the EU, this was then proven by Leave winning the EU referendum in 2016.
What's happened to Ukip since? Also why are you so worried about a second referendum if there is such strong support?
You sound like a Manchester United fan reminiscing about the glory days under Fergie.
What has happened to the UKIP vote since? Silly queston really seeing as the purpose of Ukip has been fulfilled, which is to get the UK out of the EU.
If by some establishment stitch up we end up remaining in the EU, and the referendum result is not fulfilled though, then i fully expect Ukip to come back with a vengeance, it will be a political backlash the like of which has never been seen before in this country.
Look forward to seeing that.
Be careful what you wish for. "
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"somebodies political party is about to split... but i wonder if it will be the conservatives or it will be labour....
Or both..
Maybe time for the more sensible people in both parties to form a new one?
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A remain party and a leave party. I'm all for it, considering 2/3rds of Constituencies voted leave in the referendum and over 80% of voters voted for parties with a Leave manifesto in the last general election, bring it on. |
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"The intelligent - but brave - thing to do would be to revoke Article 50, as it retains the UK's long-standing membership rights etc, as others say here. But I don't think that May is brave enough to do this, nor does she want to lose any face, which I think she'd perceive as happening, as she wouldn't have a good plan for brexit reactivation afterwards. I don't think she'd be brave enough to claim that leaving the EU isn't the right thing to do.
Why did we ever get brexit?
1.To ensure that the conservatives continued in power (to pull ukip voters back).
2. The EU is introducing major changes against tax evasion - and many conservatives hate this with a vengeance. Consider high profile tories who have connections to this type of activity
May also tried to regain 5 years of government with her 2017 general election.
The conservatives are in it for power and the money and not for the everyday person in the streets: their needs aren't important to them.Did not one labour vote for brexit????????????
Loads and included in policy. And despite policies, there are people wanting in and out in both parties.
But if David Cameron hadn't promised a referendum in his conservative manifesto - due to wanting to win voters from ukip - we wouldn't have had this chain of disasters. He's also had connections to tax 'management' purveyors.
Well done UKIP for forcing Camoron’s hand, and roll on BREXIT. It will happen because no political leader would ever dare to defy a national referendum.
Considering Ukip won the last European MEP elections here in the UK in 2014 under the brilliant leadership of Nigel Farage, then David Cameron had little choice but to offer a referendum on our membership of the EU. Ukip's win of the MEP elections in 2014 signalled that the Uk was not happy being in the EU, this was then proven by Leave winning the EU referendum in 2016.
What's happened to Ukip since? Also why are you so worried about a second referendum if there is such strong support?
You sound like a Manchester United fan reminiscing about the glory days under Fergie.
What has happened to the UKIP vote since? Silly queston really seeing as the purpose of Ukip has been fulfilled, which is to get the UK out of the EU.
If by some establishment stitch up we end up remaining in the EU, and the referendum result is not fulfilled though, then i fully expect Ukip to come back with a vengeance, it will be a political backlash the like of which has never been seen before in this country.
Look forward to seeing that.
Be careful what you wish for.
Sounds like a threat!?"
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"The intelligent - but brave - thing to do would be to revoke Article 50, as it retains the UK's long-standing membership rights etc, as others say here. But I don't think that May is brave enough to do this, nor does she want to lose any face, which I think she'd perceive as happening, as she wouldn't have a good plan for brexit reactivation afterwards. I don't think she'd be brave enough to claim that leaving the EU isn't the right thing to do.
Why did we ever get brexit?
1.To ensure that the conservatives continued in power (to pull ukip voters back).
2. The EU is introducing major changes against tax evasion - and many conservatives hate this with a vengeance. Consider high profile tories who have connections to this type of activity
May also tried to regain 5 years of government with her 2017 general election.
The conservatives are in it for power and the money and not for the everyday person in the streets: their needs aren't important to them.Did not one labour vote for brexit????????????
Loads and included in policy. And despite policies, there are people wanting in and out in both parties.
But if David Cameron hadn't promised a referendum in his conservative manifesto - due to wanting to win voters from ukip - we wouldn't have had this chain of disasters. He's also had connections to tax 'management' purveyors.
Well done UKIP for forcing Camoron’s hand, and roll on BREXIT. It will happen because no political leader would ever dare to defy a national referendum.
Considering Ukip won the last European MEP elections here in the UK in 2014 under the brilliant leadership of Nigel Farage, then David Cameron had little choice but to offer a referendum on our membership of the EU. Ukip's win of the MEP elections in 2014 signalled that the Uk was not happy being in the EU, this was then proven by Leave winning the EU referendum in 2016.
What's happened to Ukip since? Also why are you so worried about a second referendum if there is such strong support?
You sound like a Manchester United fan reminiscing about the glory days under Fergie.
What has happened to the UKIP vote since? Silly queston really seeing as the purpose of Ukip has been fulfilled, which is to get the UK out of the EU.
If by some establishment stitch up we end up remaining in the EU, and the referendum result is not fulfilled though, then i fully expect Ukip to come back with a vengeance, it will be a political backlash the like of which has never been seen before in this country.
Look forward to seeing that.
Be careful what you wish for.
Sounds like a threat!?
How can it be a threat when you said you were looking forward to seeing it? "
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