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People currently wanting the UK to leave the EU:
North Korea has 100% Sovereignty. How much sovereignty are you expecting for the UK, as a Brexit supporter? Are you happy to cede some elements, for any international agreements - if so, what?
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over a year ago
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I have always wanted the UK to leave the EU and even going back to when it was the Common Market. I like the idea of our regaining sovereignty, but that is not the only reason. I have always believed that our membership involved too many rules and regulations (sorry I don’t want to expand on that). Nowadays I really don’t like the direction they are going in, and can see why Germany are gaining the most by being the biggest member of this elitist club. We are net contributors and I don’t believe we are getting value for our payments.
We will be better off in the long run, just as long as we sever our ties and go it alone. We are an island nation, and it is about time we started behaving like one. The US and our Commonwealth friends will be very important in our finding our own way in the world, and I am still exited about the future. |
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"I have always wanted the UK to leave the EU and even going back to when it was the Common Market. I like the idea of our regaining sovereignty, but that is not the only reason. I have always believed that our membership involved too many rules and regulations (sorry I don’t want to expand on that). Nowadays I really don’t like the direction they are going in, and can see why Germany are gaining the most by being the biggest member of this elitist club. We are net contributors and I don’t believe we are getting value for our payments.
We will be better off in the long run, just as long as we sever our ties and go it alone. We are an island nation, and it is about time we started behaving like one. The US and our Commonwealth friends will be very important in our finding our own way in the world, and I am still exited about the future."
So you want an EEA style brexit?
Or you wanted us to leave even when it was the EEA?
Sad reality is the US only seems to give good trade arrangements to countries which cannot compete with it.
The other reality is that what can we sell en-mass Vs what can we buy from the commonwealth. Cause the nature of long distance trade is that for something to be affordable it must be imported in bulk - this has been understood economically since the Classical age. |
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"I have always wanted the UK to leave the EU and even going back to when it was the Common Market. I like the idea of our regaining sovereignty, but that is not the only reason. I have always believed that our membership involved too many rules and regulations (sorry I don’t want to expand on that). Nowadays I really don’t like the direction they are going in, and can see why Germany are gaining the most by being the biggest member of this elitist club. We are net contributors and I don’t believe we are getting value for our payments.
We will be better off in the long run, just as long as we sever our ties and go it alone. We are an island nation, and it is about time we started behaving like one. The US and our Commonwealth friends will be very important in our finding our own way in the world, and I am still exited about the future."
Nobody said fuck all about "the long run"! Want it all, and want it on 30/3/19! #nofuckingexcuses |
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"I have always wanted the UK to leave the EU and even going back to when it was the Common Market. I like the idea of our regaining sovereignty, but that is not the only reason. I have always believed that our membership involved too many rules and regulations (sorry I don’t want to expand on that). Nowadays I really don’t like the direction they are going in, and can see why Germany are gaining the most by being the biggest member of this elitist club. We are net contributors and I don’t believe we are getting value for our payments.
We will be better off in the long run, just as long as we sever our ties and go it alone. We are an island nation, and it is about time we started behaving like one. The US and our Commonwealth friends will be very important in our finding our own way in the world, and I am still exited about the future."
Would Leave voters prefer for the UK to trade only on WTO framework & leave NATO / UN etc to regain 100% sovereignty ? |
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"I have always wanted the UK to leave the EU and even going back to when it was the Common Market. I like the idea of our regaining sovereignty, but that is not the only reason. I have always believed that our membership involved too many rules and regulations (sorry I don’t want to expand on that). Nowadays I really don’t like the direction they are going in, and can see why Germany are gaining the most by being the biggest member of this elitist club. We are net contributors and I don’t believe we are getting value for our payments.
We will be better off in the long run, just as long as we sever our ties and go it alone. We are an island nation, and it is about time we started behaving like one. The US and our Commonwealth friends will be very important in our finding our own way in the world, and I am still exited about the future.
Would Leave voters prefer for the UK to trade only on WTO framework & leave NATO / UN etc to regain 100% sovereignty ? "
Plus conventions like Geneva, Vienna etc etc! |
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The sovereignty obsession is just juvenile. It's the 21st century, co-operation between countries is essential and part of that is making deals that involve give and take.
The Brexiters thinking we can ignore that and just take what we want is pathetically naive. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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Most Brexiters do not even understand what Sovereignty means.
It beggars belief that they neither don’t know or understand why compromises will have to made going forwards. I don’t hear much complaint about our membership to NATO and that seriously impacts Sovereignty.
Maybe they just think that everything that will happen in the future will be wholly on UK terms - no compromises, no even-handedness and certainly no giving in to Jonny Foreigner.
I can’t wait for the “hardball” (lol) way the U.K. Govt is going to deal with the proposed U.K./US trade deal... The Americans must be rolling on the floor laughing at our attempts to just leave the EU with some semblance of success. They will be licking their lips in anticipation when the damaged, bleeding and vulnerable British bulldog comes knocking at the door begging for a trade deal. |
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"I have always wanted the UK to leave the EU and even going back to when it was the Common Market. I like the idea of our regaining sovereignty, but that is not the only reason. I have always believed that our membership involved too many rules and regulations (sorry I don’t want to expand on that). Nowadays I really don’t like the direction they are going in, and can see why Germany are gaining the most by being the biggest member of this elitist club. We are net contributors and I don’t believe we are getting value for our payments.
We will be better off in the long run, just as long as we sever our ties and go it alone. We are an island nation, and it is about time we started behaving like one. The US and our Commonwealth friends will be very important in our finding our own way in the world, and I am still exited about the future.
Would Leave voters prefer for the UK to trade only on WTO framework & leave NATO / UN etc to regain 100% sovereignty ?
Plus conventions like Geneva, Vienna etc etc!"
Can we be fully sovereign under WTO given schedules, MFN rules etc. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"I have always wanted the UK to leave the EU and even going back to when it was the Common Market. I like the idea of our regaining sovereignty, but that is not the only reason. I have always believed that our membership involved too many rules and regulations (sorry I don’t want to expand on that). Nowadays I really don’t like the direction they are going in, and can see why Germany are gaining the most by being the biggest member of this elitist club. We are net contributors and I don’t believe we are getting value for our payments.
We will be better off in the long run, just as long as we sever our ties and go it alone. We are an island nation, and it is about time we started behaving like one. The US and our Commonwealth friends will be very important in our finding our own way in the world, and I am still exited about the future."
If there is a trade dispute under WTO rules how is it settled?
Does the UK Supreme Court decide?
What if we do a trade deal with another country?
Does the UK Supreme Court decide?
Behaving like an island means trying to remain alone in a world that has become vastly wealthier by cooperating.
"The USA and our Commonwealth friends" will be very important too us as we isolate ourselves in the world giving them greater negotiating power than they have now against the EU.
We already have a huge number of trade deals that enrich both sides right now including free trade deals with 4 out of the G7 nations. There are only two others but we already have agreements with the USA and China which are being developed, or were until Trump arrived.
I am interested to know what you think we should do a deal with?
Should we allow US firms to run sections of the NHS? Should we lower food standards? Should we move to two pin plugs? Should we allow visa free immigration from India? |
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"I have always wanted the UK to leave the EU and even going back to when it was the Common Market. I like the idea of our regaining sovereignty, but that is not the only reason. I have always believed that our membership involved too many rules and regulations (sorry I don’t want to expand on that). Nowadays I really don’t like the direction they are going in, and can see why Germany are gaining the most by being the biggest member of this elitist club. We are net contributors and I don’t believe we are getting value for our payments.
We will be better off in the long run, just as long as we sever our ties and go it alone. We are an island nation, and it is about time we started behaving like one. The US and our Commonwealth friends will be very important in our finding our own way in the world, and I am still exited about the future.
Nobody said fuck all about "the long run"! Want it all, and want it on 30/3/19! #nofuckingexcuses "
Yeah right, a remoaner living in France... |
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"So, how much sovereignty will you be having? "
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Not much, sovereignty isn't given it's taken as proven by history everytime, sadly people after a short time living comfortable peaceful lives feel that they can give it away and nothing will change, they are of course deluded as history also proves everytime.
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"So, how much sovereignty will you be having? .
Not much, sovereignty isn't given it's taken as proven by history everytime, sadly people after a short time living comfortable peaceful lives feel that they can give it away and nothing will change, they are of course deluded as history also proves everytime.
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Give a few examples then! |
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"So, how much sovereignty will you be having? .
Not much, sovereignty isn't given it's taken as proven by history everytime, sadly people after a short time living comfortable peaceful lives feel that they can give it away and nothing will change, they are of course deluded as history also proves everytime.
Give a few examples then!"
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No I wasn't taking to you, if I was I'd have tagged your post. |
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"So, how much sovereignty will you be having? .
Not much, sovereignty isn't given it's taken as proven by history everytime, sadly people after a short time living comfortable peaceful lives feel that they can give it away and nothing will change, they are of course deluded as history also proves everytime.
Give a few examples then!.
No I wasn't taking to you, if I was I'd have tagged your post."
You have to have evidence to back statements up, otherwise you just look silly. |
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"So, how much sovereignty will you be having? .
Not much, sovereignty isn't given it's taken as proven by history everytime, sadly people after a short time living comfortable peaceful lives feel that they can give it away and nothing will change, they are of course deluded as history also proves everytime.
Give a few examples then!.
No I wasn't taking to you, if I was I'd have tagged your post.
You have to have evidence to back statements up, otherwise you just look silly."
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I'm not here to educate the uneducated, I've got better things to do with my time.
Best advise I can give you is go away and read some history books. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"You can only be "fully sovereign" if ruled like North Korea
Really? Why does Kim jump on a train to China so often then?  "
Ha, OK, as sovereign as sovereign can be |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So, how much sovereignty will you be having? .
Not much, sovereignty isn't given it's taken as proven by history everytime, sadly people after a short time living comfortable peaceful lives feel that they can give it away and nothing will change, they are of course deluded as history also proves everytime.
Give a few examples then!.
No I wasn't taking to you, if I was I'd have tagged your post.
You have to have evidence to back statements up, otherwise you just look silly."
If you live in a pineapple under the sea.Being silly is standard.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So, how much sovereignty will you be having? .
Not much, sovereignty isn't given it's taken as proven by history everytime, sadly people after a short time living comfortable peaceful lives feel that they can give it away and nothing will change, they are of course deluded as history also proves everytime.
Give a few examples then!.
No I wasn't taking to you, if I was I'd have tagged your post.
You have to have evidence to back statements up, otherwise you just look silly..
I'm not here to educate the uneducated, I've got better things to do with my time.
Best advise I can give you is go away and read some history books."
I'm not here to be called uneducated by a white supremacist who likes making general statements that can't be backed up. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So, how much sovereignty will you be having? .
Not much, sovereignty isn't given it's taken as proven by history everytime, sadly people after a short time living comfortable peaceful lives feel that they can give it away and nothing will change, they are of course deluded as history also proves everytime.
Give a few examples then!.
No I wasn't taking to you, if I was I'd have tagged your post.
You have to have evidence to back statements up, otherwise you just look silly..
I'm not here to educate the uneducated, I've got better things to do with my time.
Best advise I can give you is go away and read some history books.
I'm not here to be called uneducated by a white supremacist who likes making general statements that can't be backed up."
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Well if you don't know how people became citizens and got sovereignty in the first then I can't help you!.
Like I said try reading some history books.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So, how much sovereignty will you be having? .
Not much, sovereignty isn't given it's taken as proven by history everytime, sadly people after a short time living comfortable peaceful lives feel that they can give it away and nothing will change, they are of course deluded as history also proves everytime.
Give a few examples then!.
No I wasn't taking to you, if I was I'd have tagged your post.
You have to have evidence to back statements up, otherwise you just look silly..
I'm not here to educate the uneducated, I've got better things to do with my time.
Best advise I can give you is go away and read some history books.
I'm not here to be called uneducated by a white supremacist who likes making general statements that can't be backed up..
Well if you don't know how people became citizens and got sovereignty in the first then I can't help you!.
Like I said try reading some history books.
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Now you are talking about it as if it is a singular event, this is not in keeping with your original post...All you have to do is give an example or two.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So, how much sovereignty will you be having? .
Not much, sovereignty isn't given it's taken as proven by history everytime, sadly people after a short time living comfortable peaceful lives feel that they can give it away and nothing will change, they are of course deluded as history also proves everytime.
Give a few examples then!.
No I wasn't taking to you, if I was I'd have tagged your post.
You have to have evidence to back statements up, otherwise you just look silly..
I'm not here to educate the uneducated, I've got better things to do with my time.
Best advise I can give you is go away and read some history books.
I'm not here to be called uneducated by a white supremacist who likes making general statements that can't be backed up..
Well if you don't know how people became citizens and got sovereignty in the first then I can't help you!.
Like I said try reading some history books.
Now you are talking about it as if it is a singular event, this is not in keeping with your original post...All you have to do is give an example or two.
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I don't have to give anything to you, least my precious time, my entire post was to somebody else and is an opinion of my own, if you really insist on butting in and disagreeing with my opinion then knock yourself out.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So, how much sovereignty will you be having? .
Not much, sovereignty isn't given it's taken as proven by history everytime, sadly people after a short time living comfortable peaceful lives feel that they can give it away and nothing will change, they are of course deluded as history also proves everytime.
Give a few examples then!.
No I wasn't taking to you, if I was I'd have tagged your post.
You have to have evidence to back statements up, otherwise you just look silly..
I'm not here to educate the uneducated, I've got better things to do with my time.
Best advise I can give you is go away and read some history books.
I'm not here to be called uneducated by a white supremacist who likes making general statements that can't be backed up..
Well if you don't know how people became citizens and got sovereignty in the first then I can't help you!.
Like I said try reading some history books.
Now you are talking about it as if it is a singular event, this is not in keeping with your original post...All you have to do is give an example or two.
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I don't have to give anything to you, least my precious time, my entire post was to somebody else and is an opinion of my own, if you really insist on butting in and disagreeing with my opinion then knock yourself out. "
You don't but if you want to be taken seriously it helps...Adios. |
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"So, how much sovereignty will you be having? .
Not much, sovereignty isn't given it's taken as proven by history everytime, sadly people after a short time living comfortable peaceful lives feel that they can give it away and nothing will change, they are of course deluded as history also proves everytime.
Give a few examples then!.
No I wasn't taking to you, if I was I'd have tagged your post.
You have to have evidence to back statements up, otherwise you just look silly..
I'm not here to educate the uneducated, I've got better things to do with my time.
Best advise I can give you is go away and read some history books.
I'm not here to be called uneducated by a white supremacist who likes making general statements that can't be backed up..
Well if you don't know how people became citizens and got sovereignty in the first then I can't help you!.
Like I said try reading some history books.
Now you are talking about it as if it is a singular event, this is not in keeping with your original post...All you have to do is give an example or two.
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I don't have to give anything to you, least my precious time, my entire post was to somebody else and is an opinion of my own, if you really insist on butting in and disagreeing with my opinion then knock yourself out.
You don't but if you want to be taken seriously it helps...Adios."
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So you not going to rebut my assertions just waffle about white supremacy and your demands!!.
Frankly I couldn't care less if you take me seriously or not. |
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"So, how much sovereignty will you be having? .
Not much, sovereignty isn't given it's taken as proven by history everytime, sadly people after a short time living comfortable peaceful lives feel that they can give it away and nothing will change, they are of course deluded as history also proves everytime.
Give a few examples then!.
No I wasn't taking to you, if I was I'd have tagged your post.
You have to have evidence to back statements up, otherwise you just look silly..
I'm not here to educate the uneducated, I've got better things to do with my time.
Best advise I can give you is go away and read some history books.
I'm not here to be called uneducated by a white supremacist who likes making general statements that can't be backed up..
Well if you don't know how people became citizens and got sovereignty in the first then I can't help you!.
Like I said try reading some history books.
Now you are talking about it as if it is a singular event, this is not in keeping with your original post...All you have to do is give an example or two.
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I don't have to give anything to you, least my precious time, my entire post was to somebody else and is an opinion of my own, if you really insist on butting in and disagreeing with my opinion then knock yourself out.
You don't but if you want to be taken seriously it helps...Adios..
So you not going to rebut my assertions just waffle about white supremacy and your demands!!.
Frankly I couldn't care less if you take me seriously or not. "
I don't because you haven't backed your point up..You were the one who started throwing mud by calling me uneducated. |
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Sponger, without telling me to google, what do you define as sovereign.
I asked this to others in a different thread. As yet it’s undefined. Maybe you can add a bit more detail?
Anyone else can help too ! |
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over a year ago
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Somewhere like Norway could be fully sovereign because they have a fuckload of surplus cash. But as a terribly indebted little island the UK will be out begging for scraps in the name of sovereignty. |
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"Sponger, without telling me to google, what do you define as sovereign.
I asked this to others in a different thread. As yet it’s undefined. Maybe you can add a bit more detail?
Anyone else can help too !"
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As a dictionary definition it means supreme authority, it's legalese mantra for somebody else gets to tell you what you do, say and pay.
Sovereignty belongs to the person but is taken away from you to create a legal entity of the state, take liberals for instance, there always adjust against violence unless it's state sponsored, theft unless it's state sponsored, gun ownership but they want the state to have them to control what I can do, say, think and pay, hell there'll tell you robbers don't need to be prisoned or paedophilies just need "correction" but mention not paying taxes, there'll lock you up for twenty.
Take American natives for instance, the government will give them some bullshit reservation to be Indian on, wow, how generous of them, I mean sure they won't own the land and they still have to pay federal taxes but they'll protect them from outsiders taking it  .
I mean what's wrong with Blackfoot tribes having Blackfoot land, speaking Blackfoot and keeping Blackfoot culture what a bunch of racists, what they need is diversity to make them happy not land ownership and sovereignty. |
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"You could try asking somebody on the island of Ireland if they feel like there on an island.
Try cork or mayo"
Northern Ireland & The Republic of Ireland are both on the same land mass which is surrounded by water so yes Ireland is an Ireland but the UK is different as part of the UK is landbound with a foreign country.
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"You could try asking somebody on the island of Ireland if they feel like there on an island.
Try cork or mayo
Northern Ireland & The Republic of Ireland are both on the same land mass which is surrounded by water so yes Ireland is an Ireland but the UK is different as part of the UK is landbound with a foreign country.
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No good asking me I'm no fan of the United Kingdom either from what I can tell neither are alot of the Scottish Irish Welsh or English |
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"You could try asking somebody on the island of Ireland if they feel like there on an island.
Try cork or mayo
Northern Ireland & The Republic of Ireland are both on the same land mass which is surrounded by water so yes Ireland is an Ireland but the UK is different as part of the UK is landbound with a foreign country.
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No good asking me I'm no fan of the United Kingdom either from what I can tell neither are alot of the Scottish Irish Welsh or English"
Yeah, maybe 4 independent nations is the way to go |
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