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"Continue here, was brexit worth the devide and could they ever be united?" Thanks | |||
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"Continue here, was brexit worth the devide and could they ever be united? Thanks" Yw, its interesting with all the different views. | |||
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"Yes I'm white, really really white, I'm getting the perception that your a racist white hater?. " I'm white too, I'm getting the perception you are the hater. You need to realise life isn't cowboys and Indians. Grow up! | |||
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"Yes I'm white, really really white, I'm getting the perception that your a racist white hater?. I'm white too, I'm getting the perception you are the hater. You need to realise life isn't cowboys and Indians. Grow up!" . Yes I know your white nobody of colour thinks like you do, your a globalist cuck, your entire life has been driven by globalist bullshit from primary school education to most adverts on the TV. It was a simple question do you hate white people? | |||
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"Yes I'm white, really really white, I'm getting the perception that your a racist white hater?. I'm white too, I'm getting the perception you are the hater. You need to realise life isn't cowboys and Indians. Grow up!. Yes I know your white nobody of colour thinks like you do, your a globalist cuck, your entire life has been driven by globalist bullshit from primary school education to most adverts on the TV. It was a simple question do you hate white people?" Obviously not..what is wrong with you? You need to realise the difference between your and you're for a start and I know at least two people of 'colour' as you state it who would definitely disagree with you and a few others if I asked them. Once again grow up. | |||
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"According to pew polls white people within 2 generations will be the smallest minority in the world, if you don't hate white people then what problem do you have with a white country for white people to ensure the continuation of that people?. This is the reason for the state of Israel by the way!." Not all Jews live in Israel. Why would anyone need an all white English state? And what are you going to do to address the multicultural nature of the Uk/England? | |||
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"According to pew polls white people within 2 generations will be the smallest minority in the world, if you don't hate white people then what problem do you have with a white country for white people to ensure the continuation of that people?. This is the reason for the state of Israel by the way!." What are you going to do with all the current non whites? | |||
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"According to pew polls white people within 2 generations will be the smallest minority in the world, if you don't hate white people then what problem do you have with a white country for white people to ensure the continuation of that people?. This is the reason for the state of Israel by the way!." You got links to these polls? | |||
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"Do you disagree with a Jewish state for the continuation of Jewish people as well?" What's your point? Surely you should go somewhere else and set up your white state then! | |||
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"Do you disagree with a Jewish state for the continuation of Jewish people as well?" It hasnt gone that well has it? Since 1948 there's been no peace in the region | |||
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"According to pew polls white people within 2 generations will be the smallest minority in the world, if you don't hate white people then what problem do you have with a white country for white people to ensure the continuation of that people?. This is the reason for the state of Israel by the way!. What are you going to do with all the current non whites?" . Well we currently spend 13 billion a year on foreign aid which frankly is a waste of time,I would take that money and offer let's say 100,000 pounds per family to return to their homeland. So take for instance a first generation Pakistani they consider themselves Pakistani more than English hence the wording they like to use Pakistani English/British, they return to Pakistan with 100,000 pounds to set up a business, most Pakistanis are business oriented, Pakistan would become first world far quicker than by foreign aid misused globalist means, most Pakistanis would prefer to live in Pakistan within an Islamist structure this is born out in every pew poll released (58% of English born Pakistanis think homosexuality should be illegal and 34% think it merrits being thrown off a roof when Sharia conditions are met!). Were fundamentally different and neither of us want to live together, the only people forcing that decision are globalists. | |||
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"Do you disagree with a Jewish state for the continuation of Jewish people as well? What's your point? Surely you should go somewhere else and set up your white state then!" . I don't and shouldn't need to go anywhere else England was a white state for 2000 years until the last 50 when globalists demanded diversity. I don't think black South Africans should fuck off elsewhere just because some white folks turned up do you? | |||
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"Do you disagree with a Jewish state for the continuation of Jewish people as well? It hasnt gone that well has it? Since 1948 there's been no peace in the region" . So you don't believe in a Jewish state for the preservation of Jewish people then? | |||
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"Do you disagree with a Jewish state for the continuation of Jewish people as well? What's your point? Surely you should go somewhere else and set up your white state then!. I don't and shouldn't need to go anywhere else England was a white state for 2000 years until the last 50 when globalists demanded diversity. I don't think black South Africans should fuck off elsewhere just because some white folks turned up do you?" Your grasp of history is as hopeless as your grasp of reality. Britain has had immigrants since the year dot. | |||
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"Do you disagree with a Jewish state for the continuation of Jewish people as well? What's your point? Surely you should go somewhere else and set up your white state then!. I don't and shouldn't need to go anywhere else England was a white state for 2000 years until the last 50 when globalists demanded diversity. I don't think black South Africans should fuck off elsewhere just because some white folks turned up do you? Your grasp of history is as hopeless as your grasp of reality. Britain has had immigrants since the year dot." . So your grasp of history is that England has always had a 6% Muslim population since the year "dot". Honestly I think you've probably been drinking or taking drugs? | |||
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"Do you disagree with a Jewish state for the continuation of Jewish people as well? What's your point? Surely you should go somewhere else and set up your white state then!. I don't and shouldn't need to go anywhere else England was a white state for 2000 years until the last 50 when globalists demanded diversity. I don't think black South Africans should fuck off elsewhere just because some white folks turned up do you? Your grasp of history is as hopeless as your grasp of reality. Britain has had immigrants since the year dot.. So your grasp of history is that England has always had a 6% Muslim population since the year "dot". Honestly I think you've probably been drinking or taking drugs?" Youre trying to claim that the country was migrant free up until 50 years ago. That's clearly utter tosh. Your aspirations for your little England are utterly vile | |||
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"Do you disagree with a Jewish state for the continuation of Jewish people as well? What's your point? Surely you should go somewhere else and set up your white state then!. I don't and shouldn't need to go anywhere else England was a white state for 2000 years until the last 50 when globalists demanded diversity. I don't think black South Africans should fuck off elsewhere just because some white folks turned up do you?" You need to spend less time on conservapedia! | |||
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"I would say to Bob that White Nationalism has zero chance of success in this country. Oswald Mosley was the one chance and he blew it on Cable Street. Now we have non white People who are six generations British, you can’t repatriate them. Mate, it’s gone way too far now, and cannot possibly be reversed. White People will be a minority in England in 20 - 40 years, there is nothing we can do about it." Why would you want an all white Britain? Genuine question. | |||
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"I would say to Bob that White Nationalism has zero chance of success in this country. Oswald Mosley was the one chance and he blew it on Cable Street. Now we have non white People who are six generations British, you can’t repatriate them. Mate, it’s gone way too far now, and cannot possibly be reversed. White People will be a minority in England in 20 - 40 years, there is nothing we can do about it." I could call that classic Project Fear of the white supremacist. But then, unlike you, I am not afraid of non-white people. In fact, I'd rather have them as a neighbour than a neo-Nazi like you. Their values are more likely to be British. Yours certainly are not. | |||
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"The tories have totally divided the country. They have been successfully dividing the country for the last 40 years in order to stay in power. The only difference is this time the division is open and I do not believe it is possible to reunite the country while those earning £1000 an hour have those earning £15 an hour blaming those earning £10 an hour for everyones decent into poverty. "  | |||
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"I would say to Bob that White Nationalism has zero chance of success in this country. Oswald Mosley was the one chance and he blew it on Cable Street. Now we have non white People who are six generations British, you can’t repatriate them. Mate, it’s gone way too far now, and cannot possibly be reversed. White People will be a minority in England in 20 - 40 years, there is nothing we can do about it." Why are you worried about becoming a minority ?? Do they get treated different or something??? You're a minority already on the planet. Relax have a beer .Judging from lasts conversations in here I think many had to much to drink..  | |||
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"I would say to Bob that White Nationalism has zero chance of success in this country. Oswald Mosley was the one chance and he blew it on Cable Street. Now we have non white People who are six generations British, you can’t repatriate them. Mate, it’s gone way too far now, and cannot possibly be reversed. White People will be a minority in England in 20 - 40 years, there is nothing we can do about it." Wrong on many points.. | |||
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" Why are you worried about becoming a minority ?? Do they get treated different or something??? You're a minority already on the planet. Relax have a beer .Judging from lasts conversations in here I think many had to much to drink.. "It is the same mindset that drives homophobia. He does not want to be treated the way he would like to treat minorities. Just as some men do not want to be treated the way they treat women. Ignorance x fear = hate | |||
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"The tories have totally divided the country. They have been successfully dividing the country for the last 40 years in order to stay in power. The only difference is this time the division is open and I do not believe it is possible to reunite the country while those earning £1000 an hour have those earning £15 an hour blaming those earning £10 an hour for everyones decent into poverty. "Nothing changes I suggest that people read "The Grapes of Wrath" - 1920's America - same is happening today! | |||
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"The tories have totally divided the country. They have been successfully dividing the country for the last 40 years in order to stay in power. The only difference is this time the division is open and I do not believe it is possible to reunite the country while those earning £1000 an hour have those earning £15 an hour blaming those earning £10 an hour for everyones decent into poverty. " | |||
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"According to pew polls white people within 2 generations will be the smallest minority in the world, if you don't hate white people then what problem do you have with a white country for white people to ensure the continuation of that people?. This is the reason for the state of Israel by the way!. What are you going to do with all the current non whites?. Well we currently spend 13 billion a year on foreign aid which frankly is a waste of time,I would take that money and offer let's say 100,000 pounds per family to return to their homeland. So take for instance a first generation Pakistani they consider themselves Pakistani more than English hence the wording they like to use Pakistani English/British, they return to Pakistan with 100,000 pounds to set up a business, most Pakistanis are business oriented, Pakistan would become first world far quicker than by foreign aid misused globalist means, most Pakistanis would prefer to live in Pakistan within an Islamist structure this is born out in every pew poll released (58% of English born Pakistanis think homosexuality should be illegal and 34% think it merrits being thrown off a roof when Sharia conditions are met!). Were fundamentally different and neither of us want to live together, the only people forcing that decision are globalists." Neither of us want to live together ? That may well be your vile racist white supremacist ideology but it isn't mine nor do I think any majority of this country, so while we have freedom of speech you're free to spout your racism do not cast the whole generalisation bullshit that we are all scum racist twats. | |||
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"I’m a little confused. If some want England to be the Israel for whites, does this mean a white German is more welcome than a black Brit ? " Racism doesn’t make any sense. You’re over thinking it. It’s more along the lines of “They look different, let’s bash them”. | |||
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"I’m a little confused. If some want England to be the Israel for whites, does this mean a white German is more welcome than a black Brit ? " Some seem to want the return of a certain group of white Germans, one in particular with a funny little moustache.. Just don't remind them he was part Jewish.. | |||
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"According to pew polls white people within 2 generations will be the smallest minority in the world, if you don't hate white people then what problem do you have with a white country for white people to ensure the continuation of that people?. This is the reason for the state of Israel by the way!. What are you going to do with all the current non whites?. Well we currently spend 13 billion a year on foreign aid which frankly is a waste of time,I would take that money and offer let's say 100,000 pounds per family to return to their homeland. So take for instance a first generation Pakistani they consider themselves Pakistani more than English hence the wording they like to use Pakistani English/British, they return to Pakistan with 100,000 pounds to set up a business, most Pakistanis are business oriented, Pakistan would become first world far quicker than by foreign aid misused globalist means, most Pakistanis would prefer to live in Pakistan within an Islamist structure this is born out in every pew poll released (58% of English born Pakistanis think homosexuality should be illegal and 34% think it merrits being thrown off a roof when Sharia conditions are met!). Were fundamentally different and neither of us want to live together, the only people forcing that decision are globalists." I live in England but I am not English. Will you give me £100,000, please. | |||
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"I would say to Bob that White Nationalism has zero chance of success in this country. Oswald Mosley was the one chance and he blew it on Cable Street. Now we have non white People who are six generations British, you can’t repatriate them. Mate, it’s gone way too far now, and cannot possibly be reversed. White People will be a minority in England in 20 - 40 years, there is nothing we can do about it." You're not very good at maths are you? | |||
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" I live in England but I am not English. Will you give me £100,000, please. " You don't look "brown or black" , they only have problems with brown or black people I think. | |||
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"According to pew polls white people within 2 generations will be the smallest minority in the world, if you don't hate white people then what problem do you have with a white country for white people to ensure the continuation of that people?. This is the reason for the state of Israel by the way!. What are you going to do with all the current non whites?. Well we currently spend 13 billion a year on foreign aid which frankly is a waste of time,I would take that money and offer let's say 100,000 pounds per family to return to their homeland. So take for instance a first generation Pakistani they consider themselves Pakistani more than English hence the wording they like to use Pakistani English/British, they return to Pakistan with 100,000 pounds to set up a business, most Pakistanis are business oriented, Pakistan would become first world far quicker than by foreign aid misused globalist means, most Pakistanis would prefer to live in Pakistan within an Islamist structure this is born out in every pew poll released (58% of English born Pakistanis think homosexuality should be illegal and 34% think it merrits being thrown off a roof when Sharia conditions are met!). Were fundamentally different and neither of us want to live together, the only people forcing that decision are globalists. I live in England but I am not English. Will you give me £100,000, please. " Good point, being born in the fine City of Liverpool but of Welsh and Irish parents I may put a bid in for a percentage too.. Will then donate it towards educating some in our societies.. | |||
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" I live in England but I am not English. Will you give me £100,000, please. You don't look "brown or black" , they only have problems with brown or black people I think." Ah, I see. Another white supremacist in our midst. | |||
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"According to pew polls white people within 2 generations will be the smallest minority in the world, if you don't hate white people then what problem do you have with a white country for white people to ensure the continuation of that people?. This is the reason for the state of Israel by the way!. What are you going to do with all the current non whites?. Well we currently spend 13 billion a year on foreign aid which frankly is a waste of time,I would take that money and offer let's say 100,000 pounds per family to return to their homeland. So take for instance a first generation Pakistani they consider themselves Pakistani more than English hence the wording they like to use Pakistani English/British, they return to Pakistan with 100,000 pounds to set up a business, most Pakistanis are business oriented, Pakistan would become first world far quicker than by foreign aid misused globalist means, most Pakistanis would prefer to live in Pakistan within an Islamist structure this is born out in every pew poll released (58% of English born Pakistanis think homosexuality should be illegal and 34% think it merrits being thrown off a roof when Sharia conditions are met!). Were fundamentally different and neither of us want to live together, the only people forcing that decision are globalists. Neither of us want to live together ? That may well be your vile racist white supremacist ideology but it isn't mine nor do I think any majority of this country, so while we have freedom of speech you're free to spout your racism do not cast the whole generalisation bullshit that we are all scum racist twats." . I hate to disappoint you but I'm not a Jew hater or a Nazis, I walk round in hush puppies not jack boots what I am is a realist, people from far different cultures in the main don't choose to live together, that's why you have Turkish areas, Pakistani neighborhoods, Armenian, Greek, Russian, Italian, they choose to live with each other the only thing that forces them to live in England is the disparity in wealth from their own homeland. tickle up economics using foreign aid money to make Pakistan wealthy and desirable for Pakistanis to live there, that's not white supremacy nobody I know think whites are supreme, most of us don't want Russian culture here or American, I work in the NHS, I can tell you that most of the foreign workers don't want to live here, ask Philippineo nurses, there'd prefer to live in the Philippines given a no disparity choice. It's all about giving people choice and the financial ability to choose. Globalists are racists, they don't really care about peoples cultures history and identity they just want the money, rich people choose to live with other rich people on rich Islands far from the madding crowd, ethno nationalism is a growing reality all over the world the Japanese, the Chinese, Argentines, French, Russians, Arabs, Jews, given free choice where do you think a Somali would choose to live, Finland at -30??. Under ethno nationalism those that did choose Finland should be fully assimilated as Finnish though, there's no room for multiculturalism. The globalists don't want people criticising immigration, the UN compact makes it illegal to do so, so maybe my free speech isn't as free as you think. | |||
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"According to pew polls white people within 2 generations will be the smallest minority in the world, if you don't hate white people then what problem do you have with a white country for white people to ensure the continuation of that people?. This is the reason for the state of Israel by the way!. What are you going to do with all the current non whites?. Well we currently spend 13 billion a year on foreign aid which frankly is a waste of time,I would take that money and offer let's say 100,000 pounds per family to return to their homeland. So take for instance a first generation Pakistani they consider themselves Pakistani more than English hence the wording they like to use Pakistani English/British, they return to Pakistan with 100,000 pounds to set up a business, most Pakistanis are business oriented, Pakistan would become first world far quicker than by foreign aid misused globalist means, most Pakistanis would prefer to live in Pakistan within an Islamist structure this is born out in every pew poll released (58% of English born Pakistanis think homosexuality should be illegal and 34% think it merrits being thrown off a roof when Sharia conditions are met!). Were fundamentally different and neither of us want to live together, the only people forcing that decision are globalists. Neither of us want to live together ? That may well be your vile racist white supremacist ideology but it isn't mine nor do I think any majority of this country, so while we have freedom of speech you're free to spout your racism do not cast the whole generalisation bullshit that we are all scum racist twats.. I hate to disappoint you but I'm not a Jew hater or a Nazis, I walk round in hush puppies not jack boots what I am is a realist, people from far different cultures in the main don't choose to live together, that's why you have Turkish areas, Pakistani neighborhoods, Armenian, Greek, Russian, Italian, they choose to live with each other the only thing that forces them to live in England is the disparity in wealth from their own homeland. tickle up economics using foreign aid money to make Pakistan wealthy and desirable for Pakistanis to live there, that's not white supremacy nobody I know think whites are supreme, most of us don't want Russian culture here or American, I work in the NHS, I can tell you that most of the foreign workers don't want to live here, ask Philippineo nurses, there'd prefer to live in the Philippines given a no disparity choice. It's all about giving people choice and the financial ability to choose. Globalists are racists, they don't really care about peoples cultures history and identity they just want the money, rich people choose to live with other rich people on rich Islands far from the madding crowd, ethno nationalism is a growing reality all over the world the Japanese, the Chinese, Argentines, French, Russians, Arabs, Jews, given free choice where do you think a Somali would choose to live, Finland at -30??. Under ethno nationalism those that did choose Finland should be fully assimilated as Finnish though, there's no room for multiculturalism. The globalists don't want people criticising immigration, the UN compact makes it illegal to do so, so maybe my free speech isn't as free as you think." Sterling work. For the record, all cultures mix well together with the exception of bigots. You should give it a try one day. Maybe you’ll make some better friends | |||
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"I would say to Bob that White Nationalism has zero chance of success in this country. Oswald Mosley was the one chance and he blew it on Cable Street. Now we have non white People who are six generations British, you can’t repatriate them. Mate, it’s gone way too far now, and cannot possibly be reversed. White People will be a minority in England in 20 - 40 years, there is nothing we can do about it. Why would you want an all white Britain? Genuine question. " I didn’t say I wanted that, just that it is utterly impossible. There is a White Nationalist movement here in the UK, I’m just saying they are wasting their time... | |||
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"I would say to Bob that White Nationalism has zero chance of success in this country. Oswald Mosley was the one chance and he blew it on Cable Street. Now we have non white People who are six generations British, you can’t repatriate them. Mate, it’s gone way too far now, and cannot possibly be reversed. White People will be a minority in England in 20 - 40 years, there is nothing we can do about it. Why would you want an all white Britain? Genuine question. I didn’t say I wanted that, just that it is utterly impossible. There is a White Nationalist movement here in the UK, I’m just saying they are wasting their time..." I'll agree with you on this one. Although only you know in what context you were holding 1930's British fascism! | |||
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"a.k.a. ethnic cleansing. vile." . That's a childish response, ethnic cleansing is what we see in Myanmar. That also answers the guy above who thinks EVERYBODY just gets a long fine. I don't really know which planet he's observing | |||
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"I would say to Bob that White Nationalism has zero chance of success in this country. Oswald Mosley was the one chance and he blew it on Cable Street. Now we have non white People who are six generations British, you can’t repatriate them. Mate, it’s gone way too far now, and cannot possibly be reversed. White People will be a minority in England in 20 - 40 years, there is nothing we can do about it." This implies that you think that Mosely had the right idea. Do you? Despite this you hate the Germans and the Nazis? Mosley would have allied us with Germany. How do you square that? | |||
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"a.k.a. ethnic cleansing. vile.. That's a childish response, ethnic cleansing is what we see in Myanmar. That also answers the guy above who thinks EVERYBODY just gets a long fine. I don't really know which planet he's observing" Calling yourself an ethno nationalist is an attempt to muddy the waters. You know exactly what you are chum and you should be ashamed of yourself | |||
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"a.k.a. ethnic cleansing. vile.. That's a childish response, ethnic cleansing is what we see in Myanmar. That also answers the guy above who thinks EVERYBODY just gets a long fine. I don't really know which planet he's observing" Read the history of Nazism and you'll recognise your softly, softly encouragement of repatriation of undesirables is Germany circa 1932. | |||
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"According to pew polls white people within 2 generations will be the smallest minority in the world, if you don't hate white people then what problem do you have with a white country for white people to ensure the continuation of that people?. This is the reason for the state of Israel by the way!. What are you going to do with all the current non whites?. Well we currently spend 13 billion a year on foreign aid which frankly is a waste of time,I would take that money and offer let's say 100,000 pounds per family to return to their homeland. So take for instance a first generation Pakistani they consider themselves Pakistani more than English hence the wording they like to use Pakistani English/British, they return to Pakistan with 100,000 pounds to set up a business, most Pakistanis are business oriented, Pakistan would become first world far quicker than by foreign aid misused globalist means, most Pakistanis would prefer to live in Pakistan within an Islamist structure this is born out in every pew poll released (58% of English born Pakistanis think homosexuality should be illegal and 34% think it merrits being thrown off a roof when Sharia conditions are met!). Were fundamentally different and neither of us want to live together, the only people forcing that decision are globalists. Neither of us want to live together ? That may well be your vile racist white supremacist ideology but it isn't mine nor do I think any majority of this country, so while we have freedom of speech you're free to spout your racism do not cast the whole generalisation bullshit that we are all scum racist twats.. I hate to disappoint you but I'm not a Jew hater or a Nazis, I walk round in hush puppies not jack boots what I am is a realist, people from far different cultures in the main don't choose to live together, that's why you have Turkish areas, Pakistani neighborhoods, Armenian, Greek, Russian, Italian, they choose to live with each other the only thing that forces them to live in England is the disparity in wealth from their own homeland. tickle up economics using foreign aid money to make Pakistan wealthy and desirable for Pakistanis to live there, that's not white supremacy nobody I know think whites are supreme, most of us don't want Russian culture here or American, I work in the NHS, I can tell you that most of the foreign workers don't want to live here, ask Philippineo nurses, there'd prefer to live in the Philippines given a no disparity choice. It's all about giving people choice and the financial ability to choose. Globalists are racists, they don't really care about peoples cultures history and identity they just want the money, rich people choose to live with other rich people on rich Islands far from the madding crowd, ethno nationalism is a growing reality all over the world the Japanese, the Chinese, Argentines, French, Russians, Arabs, Jews, given free choice where do you think a Somali would choose to live, Finland at -30??. Under ethno nationalism those that did choose Finland should be fully assimilated as Finnish though, there's no room for multiculturalism. The globalists don't want people criticising immigration, the UN compact makes it illegal to do so, so maybe my free speech isn't as free as you think." I never said you were a Jew hater, I was referring to your claim about brown people "neither of us want to live together" crap. You're saying very clearly that YOU don't want to live near them & generalising they don't want to live with us either. Guess you've asked them already then I suppose. | |||
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"According to pew polls white people within 2 generations will be the smallest minority in the world, if you don't hate white people then what problem do you have with a white country for white people to ensure the continuation of that people?. This is the reason for the state of Israel by the way!. What are you going to do with all the current non whites?. Well we currently spend 13 billion a year on foreign aid which frankly is a waste of time,I would take that money and offer let's say 100,000 pounds per family to return to their homeland. So take for instance a first generation Pakistani they consider themselves Pakistani more than English hence the wording they like to use Pakistani English/British, they return to Pakistan with 100,000 pounds to set up a business, most Pakistanis are business oriented, Pakistan would become first world far quicker than by foreign aid misused globalist means, most Pakistanis would prefer to live in Pakistan within an Islamist structure this is born out in every pew poll released (58% of English born Pakistanis think homosexuality should be illegal and 34% think it merrits being thrown off a roof when Sharia conditions are met!). Were fundamentally different and neither of us want to live together, the only people forcing that decision are globalists. Neither of us want to live together ? That may well be your vile racist white supremacist ideology but it isn't mine nor do I think any majority of this country, so while we have freedom of speech you're free to spout your racism do not cast the whole generalisation bullshit that we are all scum racist twats.. I hate to disappoint you but I'm not a Jew hater or a Nazis, I walk round in hush puppies not jack boots what I am is a realist, people from far different cultures in the main don't choose to live together, that's why you have Turkish areas, Pakistani neighborhoods, Armenian, Greek, Russian, Italian, they choose to live with each other the only thing that forces them to live in England is the disparity in wealth from their own homeland. tickle up economics using foreign aid money to make Pakistan wealthy and desirable for Pakistanis to live there, that's not white supremacy nobody I know think whites are supreme, most of us don't want Russian culture here or American, I work in the NHS, I can tell you that most of the foreign workers don't want to live here, ask Philippineo nurses, there'd prefer to live in the Philippines given a no disparity choice. It's all about giving people choice and the financial ability to choose. Globalists are racists, they don't really care about peoples cultures history and identity they just want the money, rich people choose to live with other rich people on rich Islands far from the madding crowd, ethno nationalism is a growing reality all over the world the Japanese, the Chinese, Argentines, French, Russians, Arabs, Jews, given free choice where do you think a Somali would choose to live, Finland at -30??. Under ethno nationalism those that did choose Finland should be fully assimilated as Finnish though, there's no room for multiculturalism. The globalists don't want people criticising immigration, the UN compact makes it illegal to do so, so maybe my free speech isn't as free as you think. I never said you were a Jew hater, I was referring to your claim about brown people "neither of us want to live together" crap. You're saying very clearly that YOU don't want to live near them & generalising they don't want to live with us either. Guess you've asked them already then I suppose." . Your obsessed with the colour brown!. I actually talked mainly about cultures history and identity and how people given free choice TEND to gather in those formats... But yeah whatever you say bro | |||
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"Btw what is a globalist ?" . There's many Self proclaimed globalists, they tend to be the no borders, no nations types, they push for integration which I genuinely think some of them believe in but there's many who are in it for they're own gain. Ethno nationals tend to be the opposite some of them probably are in it for the wrong reasons many like myself see it as the best solution to self evident problems we see in the world. Personally I think the world map of nations we saw 100 years ago was primarily the way it was for good reason, groups of people with shared culture history and identity feel better together, there are people of all races and cultures who don't give a shit about anybody but themselves sadly but that's the way of the world today. | |||
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"Btw what is a globalist ?. There's many Self proclaimed globalists, they tend to be the no borders, no nations types, they push for integration which I genuinely think some of them believe in but there's many who are in it for they're own gain. Ethno nationals tend to be the opposite some of them probably are in it for the wrong reasons many like myself see it as the best solution to self evident problems we see in the world. Personally I think the world map of nations we saw 100 years ago was primarily the way it was for good reason, groups of people with shared culture history and identity feel better together, there are people of all races and cultures who don't give a shit about anybody but themselves sadly but that's the way of the world today." What on Earth do you mean? What about the crusades?.Spain in the middle ages? Things never stagnated you need to be realistic. | |||
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"According to pew polls white people within 2 generations will be the smallest minority in the world, if you don't hate white people then what problem do you have with a white country for white people to ensure the continuation of that people?. This is the reason for the state of Israel by the way!. What are you going to do with all the current non whites?. Well we currently spend 13 billion a year on foreign aid which frankly is a waste of time,I would take that money and offer let's say 100,000 pounds per family to return to their homeland. So take for instance a first generation Pakistani they consider themselves Pakistani more than English hence the wording they like to use Pakistani English/British, they return to Pakistan with 100,000 pounds to set up a business, most Pakistanis are business oriented, Pakistan would become first world far quicker than by foreign aid misused globalist means, most Pakistanis would prefer to live in Pakistan within an Islamist structure this is born out in every pew poll released (58% of English born Pakistanis think homosexuality should be illegal and 34% think it merrits being thrown off a roof when Sharia conditions are met!). Were fundamentally different and neither of us want to live together, the only people forcing that decision are globalists. Neither of us want to live together ? That may well be your vile racist white supremacist ideology but it isn't mine nor do I think any majority of this country, so while we have freedom of speech you're free to spout your racism do not cast the whole generalisation bullshit that we are all scum racist twats.. I hate to disappoint you but I'm not a Jew hater or a Nazis, I walk round in hush puppies not jack boots what I am is a realist, people from far different cultures in the main don't choose to live together, that's why you have Turkish areas, Pakistani neighborhoods, Armenian, Greek, Russian, Italian, they choose to live with each other the only thing that forces them to live in England is the disparity in wealth from their own homeland. tickle up economics using foreign aid money to make Pakistan wealthy and desirable for Pakistanis to live there, that's not white supremacy nobody I know think whites are supreme, most of us don't want Russian culture here or American, I work in the NHS, I can tell you that most of the foreign workers don't want to live here, ask Philippineo nurses, there'd prefer to live in the Philippines given a no disparity choice. It's all about giving people choice and the financial ability to choose. Globalists are racists, they don't really care about peoples cultures history and identity they just want the money, rich people choose to live with other rich people on rich Islands far from the madding crowd, ethno nationalism is a growing reality all over the world the Japanese, the Chinese, Argentines, French, Russians, Arabs, Jews, given free choice where do you think a Somali would choose to live, Finland at -30??. Under ethno nationalism those that did choose Finland should be fully assimilated as Finnish though, there's no room for multiculturalism. The globalists don't want people criticising immigration, the UN compact makes it illegal to do so, so maybe my free speech isn't as free as you think. I never said you were a Jew hater, I was referring to your claim about brown people "neither of us want to live together" crap. You're saying very clearly that YOU don't want to live near them & generalising they don't want to live with us either. Guess you've asked them already then I suppose.. Your obsessed with the colour brown!. I actually talked mainly about cultures history and identity and how people given free choice TEND to gather in those formats... But yeah whatever you say bro" Jeezzz, read what you type, you say Pakistani's and us don't want to live side by side... "Were fundamentally different and neither of us want to live together " Your words, not mine...."bro" | |||
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"Btw what is a globalist ?. There's many Self proclaimed globalists, they tend to be the no borders, no nations types, they push for integration which I genuinely think some of them believe in but there's many who are in it for they're own gain. Ethno nationals tend to be the opposite some of them probably are in it for the wrong reasons many like myself see it as the best solution to self evident problems we see in the world. Personally I think the world map of nations we saw 100 years ago was primarily the way it was for good reason, groups of people with shared culture history and identity feel better together, there are people of all races and cultures who don't give a shit about anybody but themselves sadly but that's the way of the world today." Try judging people on the content of their character instead of where they’re from or what colour they are. You’ll find that people are the same, some are arseholes, but most people are nice and have the respect for others and have similar values in life. | |||
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"Btw what is a globalist ?. There's many Self proclaimed globalists, they tend to be the no borders, no nations types, they push for integration which I genuinely think some of them believe in but there's many who are in it for they're own gain. Ethno nationals tend to be the opposite some of them probably are in it for the wrong reasons many like myself see it as the best solution to self evident problems we see in the world. Personally I think the world map of nations we saw 100 years ago was primarily the way it was for good reason, groups of people with shared culture history and identity feel better together, there are people of all races and cultures who don't give a shit about anybody but themselves sadly but that's the way of the world today." The world map 100 years ago and earlier had white British people bringing the bullet and the bayonet all over the world. Killing thousands and starving millions and addicting millions to opium. Were you fighting for a homeland there? Before that white men, exterminated native populations in South and North America and Australia. If you want to play that game then Europe, specifically Britain, Portugal, Spain and Italy, but many others too are due a lot of repatriation. How were you planning to maintain your nice genetic purity? No fraternisation outside your race? Ethnic purity rules? What constitutes an Englishman and what doesn't? | |||
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"I would say to Bob that White Nationalism has zero chance of success in this country. Oswald Mosley was the one chance and he blew it on Cable Street. Now we have non white People who are six generations British, you can’t repatriate them. Mate, it’s gone way too far now, and cannot possibly be reversed. White People will be a minority in England in 20 - 40 years, there is nothing we can do about it." Absolutely moronic comment. Let me introduce you to a little reality. I remember this kind of rhetoric being spouted when I was a child in the 70's but the hate then was directed at black people who the racists believed would be the cause of whites becoming a minority. The reality is that over time non whites integrate with the native population. My kids are mixed race, they married white people and my grandkids are notionally what you might consider white, they probably look more like you than they do me. The pace of change might be different with non western populations but you can already see the change in 'Muslim' communities where their offspring are obviously influenced by the culture around them and will continue to be so, it's common bleeding sense! | |||
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"Btw what is a globalist ?. There's many Self proclaimed globalists, they tend to be the no borders, no nations types, they push for integration which I genuinely think some of them believe in but there's many who are in it for they're own gain. Ethno nationals tend to be the opposite some of them probably are in it for the wrong reasons many like myself see it as the best solution to self evident problems we see in the world. Personally I think the world map of nations we saw 100 years ago was primarily the way it was for good reason, groups of people with shared culture history and identity feel better together, there are people of all races and cultures who don't give a shit about anybody but themselves sadly but that's the way of the world today." If we ignore the “white Israel” part of your beliefs, if I play back what I think you’ve imposter I’d be saying you see globalists being one who see equity can be created by reduced borders and barriers. However you see that this “forces” people to take advantage only by moving counties. You see the solution to equity by borders, but reatribution of wealth across borders by some means. This keeps people who are “the same” (however you define that) together. Funnily enough the EU does both. And people dislike the EU for both. | |||
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"I would say to Bob that White Nationalism has zero chance of success in this country. Oswald Mosley was the one chance and he blew it on Cable Street. Now we have non white People who are six generations British, you can’t repatriate them. Mate, it’s gone way too far now, and cannot possibly be reversed. White People will be a minority in England in 20 - 40 years, there is nothing we can do about it. This implies that you think that Mosely had the right idea. Do you? Despite this you hate the Germans and the Nazis? Mosley would have allied us with Germany. How do you square that?" More accusations, and utter bullshit as usual. I’m merely pointing out that the biggest nationalist movement we ever had in this country was Mosley’s Blackshirts, and they self destructed. I did not say I agreed with Mosley, nor did I say that I hate the Germans. | |||
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"Btw what is a globalist ?. There's many Self proclaimed globalists, they tend to be the no borders, no nations types, they push for integration which I genuinely think some of them believe in but there's many who are in it for they're own gain. Ethno nationals tend to be the opposite some of them probably are in it for the wrong reasons many like myself see it as the best solution to self evident problems we see in the world. Personally I think the world map of nations we saw 100 years ago was primarily the way it was for good reason, groups of people with shared culture history and identity feel better together, there are people of all races and cultures who don't give a shit about anybody but themselves sadly but that's the way of the world today. The world map 100 years ago and earlier had white British people bringing the bullet and the bayonet all over the world. Killing thousands and starving millions and addicting millions to opium. Were you fighting for a homeland there? Before that white men, exterminated native populations in South and North America and Australia. If you want to play that game then Europe, specifically Britain, Portugal, Spain and Italy, but many others too are due a lot of repatriation. How were you planning to maintain your nice genetic purity? No fraternisation outside your race? Ethnic purity rules? What constitutes an Englishman and what doesn't?" . I'm not sure what I owe I was only born in the 70s!. You raise an interesting point about native Americans though, slightly untrue about being exterminated by white people (that sounds like your being racist haha) they actually died mainly from animal born disease that Europeans had been exposed to for a thousand years+ because we farms and they remained Hunter gatherers, actually funnily enough we gave them small pox but they have us syphilis so honours even. More to the point they weren't peaceful, in fact they were incredibly tribal despite living amongst abundance, that's an observable fact that needs explanation. | |||
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"Btw what is a globalist ?. There's many Self proclaimed globalists, they tend to be the no borders, no nations types, they push for integration which I genuinely think some of them believe in but there's many who are in it for they're own gain. Ethno nationals tend to be the opposite some of them probably are in it for the wrong reasons many like myself see it as the best solution to self evident problems we see in the world. Personally I think the world map of nations we saw 100 years ago was primarily the way it was for good reason, groups of people with shared culture history and identity feel better together, there are people of all races and cultures who don't give a shit about anybody but themselves sadly but that's the way of the world today. If we ignore the “white Israel” part of your beliefs, if I play back what I think you’ve imposter I’d be saying you see globalists being one who see equity can be created by reduced borders and barriers. However you see that this “forces” people to take advantage only by moving counties. You see the solution to equity by borders, but reatribution of wealth across borders by some means. This keeps people who are “the same” (however you define that) together. Funnily enough the EU does both. And people dislike the EU for both. " . I never said "white Israel" I said a Jewish home for Jews, there actually a race on own technically, however the point stands that Israel is a country for Jews, it's entirely set up as a homeland to maintain the continuation of Jewish people and Jewish identity, Jews feel at home in Israel living amidst others Jews hence why Jews choose to go live there. This does not mean Jews cannot live anywhere else or get along anywhere else, Jews lived in North Africa for many many years. It's about people choosing and not enforcing anything | |||
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"Btw what is a globalist ?. There's many Self proclaimed globalists, they tend to be the no borders, no nations types, they push for integration which I genuinely think some of them believe in but there's many who are in it for they're own gain. Ethno nationals tend to be the opposite some of them probably are in it for the wrong reasons many like myself see it as the best solution to self evident problems we see in the world. Personally I think the world map of nations we saw 100 years ago was primarily the way it was for good reason, groups of people with shared culture history and identity feel better together, there are people of all races and cultures who don't give a shit about anybody but themselves sadly but that's the way of the world today. If we ignore the “white Israel” part of your beliefs, if I play back what I think you’ve imposter I’d be saying you see globalists being one who see equity can be created by reduced borders and barriers. However you see that this “forces” people to take advantage only by moving counties. You see the solution to equity by borders, but reatribution of wealth across borders by some means. This keeps people who are “the same” (however you define that) together. Funnily enough the EU does both. And people dislike the EU for both. . I never said "white Israel" I said a Jewish home for Jews, there actually a race on own technically, however the point stands that Israel is a country for Jews, it's entirely set up as a homeland to maintain the continuation of Jewish people and Jewish identity, Jews feel at home in Israel living amidst others Jews hence why Jews choose to go live there. This does not mean Jews cannot live anywhere else or get along anywhere else, Jews lived in North Africa for many many years. It's about people choosing and not enforcing anything" You come across as incredibly insecure and fragile. I prescribe that you should take a year out and go and travel a little. Broaden your horizons and open your mind. You will come back a different and probably much nicer person. Oh - and have a DNA test too. | |||
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"Btw what is a globalist ?. There's many Self proclaimed globalists, they tend to be the no borders, no nations types, they push for integration which I genuinely think some of them believe in but there's many who are in it for they're own gain. Ethno nationals tend to be the opposite some of them probably are in it for the wrong reasons many like myself see it as the best solution to self evident problems we see in the world. Personally I think the world map of nations we saw 100 years ago was primarily the way it was for good reason, groups of people with shared culture history and identity feel better together, there are people of all races and cultures who don't give a shit about anybody but themselves sadly but that's the way of the world today. If we ignore the “white Israel” part of your beliefs, if I play back what I think you’ve imposter I’d be saying you see globalists being one who see equity can be created by reduced borders and barriers. However you see that this “forces” people to take advantage only by moving counties. You see the solution to equity by borders, but reatribution of wealth across borders by some means. This keeps people who are “the same” (however you define that) together. Funnily enough the EU does both. And people dislike the EU for both. . I never said "white Israel" I said a Jewish home for Jews, there actually a race on own technically, however the point stands that Israel is a country for Jews, it's entirely set up as a homeland to maintain the continuation of Jewish people and Jewish identity, Jews feel at home in Israel living amidst others Jews hence why Jews choose to go live there. This does not mean Jews cannot live anywhere else or get along anywhere else, Jews lived in North Africa for many many years. It's about people choosing and not enforcing anything" So what you’re looking for is an uninhabited island somewhere for all the bigots to move to. Great idea. You can all go there and live in a little utopia away from the rest of the world. | |||
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"Btw what is a globalist ?. There's many Self proclaimed globalists, they tend to be the no borders, no nations types, they push for integration which I genuinely think some of them believe in but there's many who are in it for they're own gain. Ethno nationals tend to be the opposite some of them probably are in it for the wrong reasons many like myself see it as the best solution to self evident problems we see in the world. Personally I think the world map of nations we saw 100 years ago was primarily the way it was for good reason, groups of people with shared culture history and identity feel better together, there are people of all races and cultures who don't give a shit about anybody but themselves sadly but that's the way of the world today. If we ignore the “white Israel” part of your beliefs, if I play back what I think you’ve imposter I’d be saying you see globalists being one who see equity can be created by reduced borders and barriers. However you see that this “forces” people to take advantage only by moving counties. You see the solution to equity by borders, but reatribution of wealth across borders by some means. This keeps people who are “the same” (however you define that) together. Funnily enough the EU does both. And people dislike the EU for both. . I never said "white Israel" I said a Jewish home for Jews, there actually a race on own technically, however the point stands that Israel is a country for Jews, it's entirely set up as a homeland to maintain the continuation of Jewish people and Jewish identity, Jews feel at home in Israel living amidst others Jews hence why Jews choose to go live there. This does not mean Jews cannot live anywhere else or get along anywhere else, Jews lived in North Africa for many many years. It's about people choosing and not enforcing anything" Israel was created not through choice but through enforcement....ask the Palestinians. | |||
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"Btw what is a globalist ?. There's many Self proclaimed globalists, they tend to be the no borders, no nations types, they push for integration which I genuinely think some of them believe in but there's many who are in it for they're own gain. Ethno nationals tend to be the opposite some of them probably are in it for the wrong reasons many like myself see it as the best solution to self evident problems we see in the world. Personally I think the world map of nations we saw 100 years ago was primarily the way it was for good reason, groups of people with shared culture history and identity feel better together, there are people of all races and cultures who don't give a shit about anybody but themselves sadly but that's the way of the world today. If we ignore the “white Israel” part of your beliefs, if I play back what I think you’ve imposter I’d be saying you see globalists being one who see equity can be created by reduced borders and barriers. However you see that this “forces” people to take advantage only by moving counties. You see the solution to equity by borders, but reatribution of wealth across borders by some means. This keeps people who are “the same” (however you define that) together. Funnily enough the EU does both. And people dislike the EU for both. . I never said "white Israel" I said a Jewish home for Jews, there actually a race on own technically, however the point stands that Israel is a country for Jews, it's entirely set up as a homeland to maintain the continuation of Jewish people and Jewish identity, Jews feel at home in Israel living amidst others Jews hence why Jews choose to go live there. This does not mean Jews cannot live anywhere else or get along anywhere else, Jews lived in North Africa for many many years. It's about people choosing and not enforcing anything Israel was created not through choice but through enforcement....ask the Palestinians." . That's very simplistic argument to a complicated historical problem. | |||
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"According to pew polls white people within 2 generations will be the smallest minority in the world, if you don't hate white people then what problem do you have with a white country for white people to ensure the continuation of that people?. This is the reason for the state of Israel by the way!. What are you going to do with all the current non whites?. Well we currently spend 13 billion a year on foreign aid which frankly is a waste of time,I would take that money and offer let's say 100,000 pounds per family to return to their homeland. So take for instance a first generation Pakistani they consider themselves Pakistani more than English hence the wording they like to use Pakistani English/British, they return to Pakistan with 100,000 pounds to set up a business, most Pakistanis are business oriented, Pakistan would become first world far quicker than by foreign aid misused globalist means, most Pakistanis would prefer to live in Pakistan within an Islamist structure this is born out in every pew poll released (58% of English born Pakistanis think homosexuality should be illegal and 34% think it merrits being thrown off a roof when Sharia conditions are met!). Were fundamentally different and neither of us want to live together, the only people forcing that decision are globalists. Neither of us want to live together ? That may well be your vile racist white supremacist ideology but it isn't mine nor do I think any majority of this country, so while we have freedom of speech you're free to spout your racism do not cast the whole generalisation bullshit that we are all scum racist twats.. I hate to disappoint you but I'm not a Jew hater or a Nazis, I walk round in hush puppies not jack boots what I am is a realist, people from far different cultures in the main don't choose to live together, that's why you have Turkish areas, Pakistani neighborhoods, Armenian, Greek, Russian, Italian, they choose to live with each other the only thing that forces them to live in England is the disparity in wealth from their own homeland. tickle up economics using foreign aid money to make Pakistan wealthy and desirable for Pakistanis to live there, that's not white supremacy nobody I know think whites are supreme, most of us don't want Russian culture here or American, I work in the NHS, I can tell you that most of the foreign workers don't want to live here, ask Philippineo nurses, there'd prefer to live in the Philippines given a no disparity choice. It's all about giving people choice and the financial ability to choose. Globalists are racists, they don't really care about peoples cultures history and identity they just want the money, rich people choose to live with other rich people on rich Islands far from the madding crowd, ethno nationalism is a growing reality all over the world the Japanese, the Chinese, Argentines, French, Russians, Arabs, Jews, given free choice where do you think a Somali would choose to live, Finland at -30??. Under ethno nationalism those that did choose Finland should be fully assimilated as Finnish though, there's no room for multiculturalism. The globalists don't want people criticising immigration, the UN compact makes it illegal to do so, so maybe my free speech isn't as free as you think." You are the growing crowd  | |||
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"Btw what is a globalist ?. There's many Self proclaimed globalists, they tend to be the no borders, no nations types, they push for integration which I genuinely think some of them believe in but there's many who are in it for they're own gain. Ethno nationals tend to be the opposite some of them probably are in it for the wrong reasons many like myself see it as the best solution to self evident problems we see in the world. Personally I think the world map of nations we saw 100 years ago was primarily the way it was for good reason, groups of people with shared culture history and identity feel better together, there are people of all races and cultures who don't give a shit about anybody but themselves sadly but that's the way of the world today. If we ignore the “white Israel” part of your beliefs, if I play back what I think you’ve imposter I’d be saying you see globalists being one who see equity can be created by reduced borders and barriers. However you see that this “forces” people to take advantage only by moving counties. You see the solution to equity by borders, but reatribution of wealth across borders by some means. This keeps people who are “the same” (however you define that) together. Funnily enough the EU does both. And people dislike the EU for both. . I never said "white Israel" I said a Jewish home for Jews, there actually a race on own technically, however the point stands that Israel is a country for Jews, it's entirely set up as a homeland to maintain the continuation of Jewish people and Jewish identity, Jews feel at home in Israel living amidst others Jews hence why Jews choose to go live there. This does not mean Jews cannot live anywhere else or get along anywhere else, Jews lived in North Africa for many many years. It's about people choosing and not enforcing anything" Sorry, I meant you wanted England to be a home white English people the way Israel is a home for Jewish people. And while it is okay for Jewish people to live elsewhere, Israel must be set up for the continuation of the Jewish identity. Does that mean controlling immigration ? And I still don’t get how this translates to England. What is an English identity which needs to be continued ? But we digress ... I still don’t know if I understand your thoughts on globalism versus trickle up (acriss?) economics. These seem more like an economic discussion than the whole “English state” thing (which comes across as dark imo) | |||
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"Btw what is a globalist ?. There's many Self proclaimed globalists, they tend to be the no borders, no nations types, they push for integration which I genuinely think some of them believe in but there's many who are in it for they're own gain. Ethno nationals tend to be the opposite some of them probably are in it for the wrong reasons many like myself see it as the best solution to self evident problems we see in the world. Personally I think the world map of nations we saw 100 years ago was primarily the way it was for good reason, groups of people with shared culture history and identity feel better together, there are people of all races and cultures who don't give a shit about anybody but themselves sadly but that's the way of the world today. If we ignore the “white Israel” part of your beliefs, if I play back what I think you’ve imposter I’d be saying you see globalists being one who see equity can be created by reduced borders and barriers. However you see that this “forces” people to take advantage only by moving counties. You see the solution to equity by borders, but reatribution of wealth across borders by some means. This keeps people who are “the same” (however you define that) together. Funnily enough the EU does both. And people dislike the EU for both. . I never said "white Israel" I said a Jewish home for Jews, there actually a race on own technically, however the point stands that Israel is a country for Jews, it's entirely set up as a homeland to maintain the continuation of Jewish people and Jewish identity, Jews feel at home in Israel living amidst others Jews hence why Jews choose to go live there. This does not mean Jews cannot live anywhere else or get along anywhere else, Jews lived in North Africa for many many years. It's about people choosing and not enforcing anything You come across as incredibly insecure and fragile. I prescribe that you should take a year out and go and travel a little. Broaden your horizons and open your mind. You will come back a different and probably much nicer person. Oh - and have a DNA test too." . No not really, I travel extensively three times a year to far location from Tibet to Alaska, exploring foreign cultures and history is possibly my favourite pastime, it's possible I've just seen and read more than yourself. | |||
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"No I never said I wanted a white England, I said I was a white ethno nationalist, eg I'm white, England is/was a white country and I'd prefer to assimilate other cultures which choose to live here completely to English culture..ie a national mono culture." Why? | |||
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"I don't buy this stance that people prefer to only mix with their own. It's true for some but the opposite for others. Some might only emigrate for economic reasons where as others rush to leave to be in a more diverse, tolerant and exciting culture. " . Well I think your wrong and right. Obviously I'm taking about trends not absolutes, there's always exceptions to rules. Japan is the least diverse country in the world, is it not exciting and tolerant?. It's these phrases that really are very bias | |||
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" You come across as incredibly insecure and fragile. I prescribe that you should take a year out and go and travel a little. Broaden your horizons and open your mind. You will come back a different and probably much nicer person. Oh - and have a DNA test too.. No not really, I travel extensively three times a year to far location from Tibet to Alaska, exploring foreign cultures and history is possibly my favourite pastime, it's possible I've just seen and read more than yourself." And because you make such a claim on an anonymous sex website - it is supposed to be true?? You present your character in the way that you articulate your posts and there is a huge contradiction between what you write (and therefore how you come across to others) and your assertion that you are a well-travelled individual. It may be absolutely true that you travel to far-flung places in order to sample cultures and ways of life that you don't want to actually mix with - but the very idea is something of a contradiction. I think that contrary to what you allege - you are neither well-travelled nor well versed and you have managed to scare yourself shitless reading conspiracy theories in the dead of the night all alone in your cold and lonely bedroom. You have absolutely nothing to fear from evolution and coming from Liverpool, you should know that already. Scousers have a genetic hot pot of DNA soup on account of their very long and historical seafaring connections. | |||
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"No I never said I wanted a white England, I said I was a white ethno nationalist, eg I'm white, England is/was a white country and I'd prefer to assimilate other cultures which choose to live here completely to English culture..ie a national mono culture. Why? " . Because it creates less tension, somebody else above mentioned native Americans, well they were only actually peaceful inside they're own mono culture tribe, outside of that they actually slaughtered each other for a thousand years despite living in complete abundance!, many often assume that it's a lack of abundance that causes human tension but native Americans had everything in abundance yet!. On my extensive travels I've yet to ever encounter a cohesive multicultural peaceful people and that's not logical | |||
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" You come across as incredibly insecure and fragile. I prescribe that you should take a year out and go and travel a little. Broaden your horizons and open your mind. You will come back a different and probably much nicer person. Oh - and have a DNA test too.. No not really, I travel extensively three times a year to far location from Tibet to Alaska, exploring foreign cultures and history is possibly my favourite pastime, it's possible I've just seen and read more than yourself. And because you make such a claim on an anonymous sex website - it is supposed to be true?? You present your character in the way that you articulate your posts and there is a huge contradiction between what you write (and therefore how you come across to others) and your assertion that you are a well-travelled individual. It may be absolutely true that you travel to far-flung places in order to sample cultures and ways of life that you don't want to actually mix with - but the very idea is something of a contradiction. I think that contrary to what you allege - you are neither well-travelled nor well versed and you have managed to scare yourself shitless reading conspiracy theories in the dead of the night all alone in your cold and lonely bedroom. You have absolutely nothing to fear from evolution and coming from Liverpool, you should know that already. Scousers have a genetic hot pot of DNA soup on account of their very long and historical seafaring connections." . You seem like a deeply unpleasant person to be honest, I've never wrote anything personal to you yet you feel it necessary to say lots of things you claim to know about me?. Well I'm sorry to tell you this but I live in Liverpool but I'm not from Liverpool.
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"No I never said I wanted a white England, I said I was a white ethno nationalist, eg I'm white, England is/was a white country and I'd prefer to assimilate other cultures which choose to live here completely to English culture..ie a national mono culture. Why? . Because it creates less tension, somebody else above mentioned native Americans, well they were only actually peaceful inside they're own mono culture tribe, outside of that they actually slaughtered each other for a thousand years despite living in complete abundance!, many often assume that it's a lack of abundance that causes human tension but native Americans had everything in abundance yet!. On my extensive travels I've yet to ever encounter a cohesive multicultural peaceful people and that's not logical" Have you not been to Australia or New Zealand? It is pure ignorance that creates such tensions and that is the very simple explanation as to why ancient people's were very warlike and tribal. It is not too much to hope that with the passing of a few hundred years and a reasonably competent education system that people would realise that we are all human beings, we all bleed red blood and we all more in common with our collective DNA than we have in differences. Alas, there are still ignorant, uneducated and simply plain, racist people amongst us. | |||
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" You come across as incredibly insecure and fragile. I prescribe that you should take a year out and go and travel a little. Broaden your horizons and open your mind. You will come back a different and probably much nicer person. Oh - and have a DNA test too.. No not really, I travel extensively three times a year to far location from Tibet to Alaska, exploring foreign cultures and history is possibly my favourite pastime, it's possible I've just seen and read more than yourself. And because you make such a claim on an anonymous sex website - it is supposed to be true?? You present your character in the way that you articulate your posts and there is a huge contradiction between what you write (and therefore how you come across to others) and your assertion that you are a well-travelled individual. It may be absolutely true that you travel to far-flung places in order to sample cultures and ways of life that you don't want to actually mix with - but the very idea is something of a contradiction. I think that contrary to what you allege - you are neither well-travelled nor well versed and you have managed to scare yourself shitless reading conspiracy theories in the dead of the night all alone in your cold and lonely bedroom. You have absolutely nothing to fear from evolution and coming from Liverpool, you should know that already. Scousers have a genetic hot pot of DNA soup on account of their very long and historical seafaring connections." I would imagine the same. I've seen the conspiracy theories and will admit that the dystopian tales from profits of doom can be seductive...but optimism is the only way forward. The prophets of doom only work on the premise that nothing will change...and that anything trending will continue until the extreme endpoint. Trends change and reverse all the time. I would really suggest that you read a book called factfullness. | |||
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"No I never said I wanted a white England, I said I was a white ethno nationalist, eg I'm white, England is/was a white country and I'd prefer to assimilate other cultures which choose to live here completely to English culture..ie a national mono culture. Why? . Because it creates less tension, somebody else above mentioned native Americans, well they were only actually peaceful inside they're own mono culture tribe, outside of that they actually slaughtered each other for a thousand years despite living in complete abundance!, many often assume that it's a lack of abundance that causes human tension but native Americans had everything in abundance yet!. On my extensive travels I've yet to ever encounter a cohesive multicultural peaceful people and that's not logical Have you not been to Australia or New Zealand? It is pure ignorance that creates such tensions and that is the very simple explanation as to why ancient people's were very warlike and tribal. It is not too much to hope that with the passing of a few hundred years and a reasonably competent education system that people would realise that we are all human beings, we all bleed red blood and we all more in common with our collective DNA than we have in differences. Alas, there are still ignorant, uneducated and simply plain, racist people amongst us." . To be honest you seem like a typical liberal who's obsessed with name calling, if it makes you rest easier at night to think those things about me because of my opinions then I'll be happy that at least you seek comfort in that false belief. | |||
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"No I never said I wanted a white England, I said I was a white ethno nationalist, eg I'm white, England is/was a white country and I'd prefer to assimilate other cultures which choose to live here completely to English culture..ie a national mono culture. Why? . Because it creates less tension, somebody else above mentioned native Americans, well they were only actually peaceful inside they're own mono culture tribe, outside of that they actually slaughtered each other for a thousand years despite living in complete abundance!, many often assume that it's a lack of abundance that causes human tension but native Americans had everything in abundance yet!. On my extensive travels I've yet to ever encounter a cohesive multicultural peaceful people and that's not logical Have you not been to Australia or New Zealand? It is pure ignorance that creates such tensions and that is the very simple explanation as to why ancient people's were very warlike and tribal. It is not too much to hope that with the passing of a few hundred years and a reasonably competent education system that people would realise that we are all human beings, we all bleed red blood and we all more in common with our collective DNA than we have in differences. Alas, there are still ignorant, uneducated and simply plain, racist people amongst us.. To be honest you seem like a typical liberal who's obsessed with name calling, if it makes you rest easier at night to think those things about me because of my opinions then I'll be happy that at least you seek comfort in that false belief. " I think you are smart but deluded fwiw. | |||
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"Also don't discount the effect of confirmation basis on your "far flung travels". . Does that work on your "I imagine the same" line from above?. .
I mean there's an awful lot of confirmation bias in here on several levels "I can only judge you on the merits of what you say and from I've seen it's mostly misguided bollox. Like how you didn't understand how QE/QT works. I think populism works best on kinda smart but not that really smart people. Look at feminism, they all have that smug pseudointellectual vibe. Overly academic idiots imo. You think you know more than the rest and that you're in on a little secret (actually implanted in your skull by the manipulative prophets of doom...like any good messenger pawn). | |||
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"I don't know about smart but I've definitely considered the possibility I'm deluded .
I've never really been 100% sure of anything I've ever thought unlike you lot who are absolutely 100% sure."I keep an open mind. What's clear to me now though is that populism from both the left and the right enabled by the internet is a tragedy of our time. | |||
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"No I never said I wanted a white England, I said I was a white ethno nationalist, eg I'm white, England is/was a white country and I'd prefer to assimilate other cultures which choose to live here completely to English culture..ie a national mono culture. Why? . Because it creates less tension, somebody else above mentioned native Americans, well they were only actually peaceful inside they're own mono culture tribe, outside of that they actually slaughtered each other for a thousand years despite living in complete abundance!, many often assume that it's a lack of abundance that causes human tension but native Americans had everything in abundance yet!. On my extensive travels I've yet to ever encounter a cohesive multicultural peaceful people and that's not logical Have you not been to Australia or New Zealand? It is pure ignorance that creates such tensions and that is the very simple explanation as to why ancient people's were very warlike and tribal. It is not too much to hope that with the passing of a few hundred years and a reasonably competent education system that people would realise that we are all human beings, we all bleed red blood and we all more in common with our collective DNA than we have in differences. Alas, there are still ignorant, uneducated and simply plain, racist people amongst us.. To be honest you seem like a typical liberal who's obsessed with name calling, if it makes you rest easier at night to think those things about me because of my opinions then I'll be happy that at least you seek comfort in that false belief. " Do you not understand that this is an anonymous website and you get judged by what you write? What you write becomes your persona and character. If you come across as having xenophobic tendencies why would you be offended at this being pointed out? You create the image, you create the persona - if you don't like what you appear to be - write things in a different way. | |||
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"Also don't discount the effect of confirmation basis on your "far flung travels". . Does that work on your "I imagine the same" line from above?. .
I mean there's an awful lot of confirmation bias in here on several levels
I can only judge you on the merits of what you say and from I've seen it's mostly misguided bollox.
Like how you didn't understand how QE/QT works.
I think populism works best on kinda smart but not that really smart people.
Look at feminism, they all have that smug pseudointellectual vibe. Overly academic idiots imo.
You think you know more than the rest and that you're in on a little secret (actually implanted in your skull by the manipulative prophets of doom...like any good messenger pawn).". So your judging me on the merits of what I say yet you've failed to answer any question I asked like when I asked you if Japan isn't exciting and tolerant? Or native Americans didn't butcher each other in huge numbers despite being abundant in everything that sustains life, you say I'm smart I say I'm not, you then say I'm only kinda smart and really full of bollox?, the other guy thinks I'm weak and a loser in my mum and dad's basement jerking off on nazi videos, I've never traveled or been educated like his goodself which is the obvious reason as to why neither of you can easily or readily debunk my assertions, I mean this should be really easy, I'm a Nazi and you two are educated worldly Nobel prize winners and yet you've done nothing but attack my "online persona" and not my argument?. I don't know much about feminism so I'll leave that argument to you but I was right about the QE and you and the other guy was wrong at least he admitted that QT exists and is doing exactly what I said it's doing. The real deal is I mentioned three words that just unhinge liberal minds, white ethno nationalism .
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"Also don't discount the effect of confirmation basis on your "far flung travels". . Does that work on your "I imagine the same" line from above?. .
I mean there's an awful lot of confirmation bias in here on several levels
I can only judge you on the merits of what you say and from I've seen it's mostly misguided bollox.
Like how you didn't understand how QE/QT works.
I think populism works best on kinda smart but not that really smart people.
Look at feminism, they all have that smug pseudointellectual vibe. Overly academic idiots imo.
You think you know more than the rest and that you're in on a little secret (actually implanted in your skull by the manipulative prophets of doom...like any good messenger pawn)..
So your judging me on the merits of what I say yet you've failed to answer any question I asked like when I asked you if Japan isn't exciting and tolerant? Or native Americans didn't butcher each other in huge numbers despite being abundant in everything that sustains life, you say I'm smart I say I'm not, you then say I'm only kinda smart and really full of bollox?, the other guy thinks I'm weak and a loser in my mum and dad's basement jerking off on nazi videos, I've never traveled or been educated like his goodself which is the obvious reason as to why neither of you can easily or readily debunk my assertions, I mean this should be really easy, I'm a Nazi and you two are educated worldly Nobel prize winners and yet you've done nothing but attack my "online persona" and not my argument?.
I don't know much about feminism so I'll leave that argument to you but I was right about the QE and you and the other guy was wrong at least he admitted that QT exists and is doing exactly what I said it's doing.
The real deal is I mentioned three words that just unhinge liberal minds, white ethno nationalism .
The answer to everything is diversity, I suspect your answer to South Africa is a bus load more white folks coz dat South Afrika is just too darn black? Or maybe it's white voluntary colonialism?."Naturally you think this is all incisive and well argued and clinical in it's logic. Everyone else is bemused. This is all I can make out from this: You travel the world and you see no similarities in them to yourself or to each other. You see difference as the defining factor. You think that your really rather marvellous and if you surrounded yourself with people like you everything would be lovely. Consequently, of everyone else surrounded themselves with similar people then they too would be happy. This must be the case for everyone in the world because this is how you think. The solution to all problems is therefore that everyone should "stick to their own kind". You don't think of yourself as racist as you wouldn't treat anyone from a different ethnic group badly so you don't see how anyone else could think that these ideas might appear racist. You haven't really thought through the details of how to make this happen but as it is your idea and you aren't a bad person there shouldn't be too big a problem. It's just a matter of everyone seeing clearly. Is that about it? | |||
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"Also don't discount the effect of confirmation basis on your "far flung travels". . Does that work on your "I imagine the same" line from above?. .
I mean there's an awful lot of confirmation bias in here on several levels
I can only judge you on the merits of what you say and from I've seen it's mostly misguided bollox.
Like how you didn't understand how QE/QT works.
I think populism works best on kinda smart but not that really smart people.
Look at feminism, they all have that smug pseudointellectual vibe. Overly academic idiots imo.
You think you know more than the rest and that you're in on a little secret (actually implanted in your skull by the manipulative prophets of doom...like any good messenger pawn)..
So your judging me on the merits of what I say yet you've failed to answer any question I asked like when I asked you if Japan isn't exciting and tolerant? Or native Americans didn't butcher each other in huge numbers despite being abundant in everything that sustains life, you say I'm smart I say I'm not, you then say I'm only kinda smart and really full of bollox?, the other guy thinks I'm weak and a loser in my mum and dad's basement jerking off on nazi videos, I've never traveled or been educated like his goodself which is the obvious reason as to why neither of you can easily or readily debunk my assertions, I mean this should be really easy, I'm a Nazi and you two are educated worldly Nobel prize winners and yet you've done nothing but attack my "online persona" and not my argument?.
I don't know much about feminism so I'll leave that argument to you but I was right about the QE and you and the other guy was wrong at least he admitted that QT exists and is doing exactly what I said it's doing.
The real deal is I mentioned three words that just unhinge liberal minds, white ethno nationalism .
The answer to everything is diversity, I suspect your answer to South Africa is a bus load more white folks coz dat South Afrika is just too darn black? Or maybe it's white voluntary colonialism?.
Naturally you think this is all incisive and well argued and clinical in it's logic.
Everyone else is bemused.
This is all I can make out from this:
You travel the world and you see no similarities in them to yourself or to each other. You see difference as the defining factor.
You think that your really rather marvellous and if you surrounded yourself with people like you everything would be lovely.
Consequently, of everyone else surrounded themselves with similar people then they too would be happy.
This must be the case for everyone in the world because this is how you think.
The solution to all problems is therefore that everyone should "stick to their own kind".
You don't think of yourself as racist as you wouldn't treat anyone from a different ethnic group badly so you don't see how anyone else could think that these ideas might appear racist.
You haven't really thought through the details of how to make this happen but as it is your idea and you aren't a bad person there shouldn't be too big a problem. It's just a matter of everyone seeing clearly.
Is that about it?". What's wrong with the Japanese?. How much diversity do they need to improve there country?. For that matter what about Pakistan, they could do with a truck full of diversity. After all it's your cure all solution to everything, wait no it's your cure all solution to this country. As for your further incisive sound bites to my character, well who cares what you think, were all nobodys on an "anonymous swinging site". | |||
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"I would say to Bob that White Nationalism has zero chance of success in this country. Oswald Mosley was the one chance and he blew it on Cable Street. Now we have non white People who are six generations British, you can’t repatriate them. Mate, it’s gone way too far now, and cannot possibly be reversed. White People will be a minority in England in 20 - 40 years, there is nothing we can do about it. This implies that you think that Mosely had the right idea. Do you? Despite this you hate the Germans and the Nazis? Mosley would have allied us with Germany. How do you square that? More accusations, and utter bullshit as usual. I’m merely pointing out that the biggest nationalist movement we ever had in this country was Mosley’s Blackshirts, and they self destructed. I did not say I agreed with Mosley, nor did I say that I hate the Germans. " No they are not accusations. They are a reaction to what you write. Have you not noticed that many posters on this forum seem to react to your posts on a consistent way. It isn't that they are "snowflake libtards" who hate you and everything you stand for. It might be because you are not writing what you mean. If you write: "Oswald Mosley was the one chance and he blew it on Cable Street" The implication is that he had an opportunity to institute a racially pure vision of England and he was unlucky not to make it happen. In the context of what you have written before that is not an unreasonable interpretation. If you want to keep immigrants out of the UK and write that you want to blow up their boats to teach everyone a lesson, that implies that you would be quite content to injure or kill them. That is quite different to wanting to hole their boats in shallow water with (I think mythical) ammunition that will slowly vent the air and make them unusable. Do you just really, really dislike Germans then? I'm afraid that really can't interpret you having this attitude to them as a consequence of the actions of some of them two generations ago. How do you judge us based on the bayonets, bullets and starvation that we took to the rest of the world in our Empire building? In general I'm open to the possibility that you are not an inherently nasty person, but the way that you express yourself in here makes you come across as someone very unpleasant. Purely because of writing style. If that sounds patronising then so be it but I am trying to be positive. | |||
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"I would say to Bob that White Nationalism has zero chance of success in this country. Oswald Mosley was the one chance and he blew it on Cable Street. Now we have non white People who are six generations British, you can’t repatriate them. Mate, it’s gone way too far now, and cannot possibly be reversed. White People will be a minority in England in 20 - 40 years, there is nothing we can do about it. This implies that you think that Mosely had the right idea. Do you? Despite this you hate the Germans and the Nazis? Mosley would have allied us with Germany. How do you square that? More accusations, and utter bullshit as usual. I’m merely pointing out that the biggest nationalist movement we ever had in this country was Mosley’s Blackshirts, and they self destructed. I did not say I agreed with Mosley, nor did I say that I hate the Germans. No they are not accusations. They are a reaction to what you write. Have you not noticed that many posters on this forum seem to react to your posts on a consistent way. It isn't that they are "snowflake libtards" who hate you and everything you stand for. It might be because you are not writing what you mean. If you write: "Oswald Mosley was the one chance and he blew it on Cable Street" The implication is that he had an opportunity to institute a racially pure vision of England and he was unlucky not to make it happen. In the context of what you have written before that is not an unreasonable interpretation. If you want to keep immigrants out of the UK and write that you want to blow up their boats to teach everyone a lesson, that implies that you would be quite content to injure or kill them. That is quite different to wanting to hole their boats in shallow water with (I think mythical) ammunition that will slowly vent the air and make them unusable. Do you just really, really dislike Germans then? I'm afraid that really can't interpret you having this attitude to them as a consequence of the actions of some of them two generations ago. How do you judge us based on the bayonets, bullets and starvation that we took to the rest of the world in our Empire building? In general I'm open to the possibility that you are not an inherently nasty person, but the way that you express yourself in here makes you come across as someone very unpleasant. Purely because of writing style. If that sounds patronising then so be it but I am trying to be positive." You are on fire lately! Very astute. | |||
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"I would say to Bob that White Nationalism has zero chance of success in this country. Oswald Mosley was the one chance and he blew it on Cable Street. Now we have non white People who are six generations British, you can’t repatriate them. Mate, it’s gone way too far now, and cannot possibly be reversed. White People will be a minority in England in 20 - 40 years, there is nothing we can do about it. This implies that you think that Mosely had the right idea. Do you? Despite this you hate the Germans and the Nazis? Mosley would have allied us with Germany. How do you square that? More accusations, and utter bullshit as usual. I’m merely pointing out that the biggest nationalist movement we ever had in this country was Mosley’s Blackshirts, and they self destructed. I did not say I agreed with Mosley, nor did I say that I hate the Germans. No they are not accusations. They are a reaction to what you write. Have you not noticed that many posters on this forum seem to react to your posts on a consistent way. It isn't that they are "snowflake libtards" who hate you and everything you stand for. It might be because you are not writing what you mean. If you write: "Oswald Mosley was the one chance and he blew it on Cable Street" The implication is that he had an opportunity to institute a racially pure vision of England and he was unlucky not to make it happen. In the context of what you have written before that is not an unreasonable interpretation. If you want to keep immigrants out of the UK and write that you want to blow up their boats to teach everyone a lesson, that implies that you would be quite content to injure or kill them. That is quite different to wanting to hole their boats in shallow water with (I think mythical) ammunition that will slowly vent the air and make them unusable. Do you just really, really dislike Germans then? I'm afraid that really can't interpret you having this attitude to them as a consequence of the actions of some of them two generations ago. How do you judge us based on the bayonets, bullets and starvation that we took to the rest of the world in our Empire building? In general I'm open to the possibility that you are not an inherently nasty person, but the way that you express yourself in here makes you come across as someone very unpleasant. Purely because of writing style. If that sounds patronising then so be it but I am trying to be positive. You are on fire lately! Very astute. "Should I feel patronised? 
Thank you though.
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"No I never said I wanted a white England, I said I was a white ethno nationalist, eg I'm white, England is/was a white country and I'd prefer to assimilate other cultures which choose to live here completely to English culture..ie a national mono culture." In the previous thread "Were 15% of the world population and within 2 generations that's set to drop to 6%, we simply want a white nation for whites, no different than a Jewish state for Jews (Israel) or a black state for Blacks or an Islamic state for Islamists, we don't hate anybody or wish any nation harm but we do realise that were all different and want different things." | |||
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"No I never said I wanted a white England, I said I was a white ethno nationalist, eg I'm white, England is/was a white country and I'd prefer to assimilate other cultures which choose to live here completely to English culture..ie a national mono culture. In the previous thread Were 15% of the world population and within 2 generations that's set to drop to 6%, we simply want a white nation for whites, no different than a Jewish state for Jews (Israel) or a black state for Blacks or an Islamic state for Islamists, we don't hate anybody or wish any nation harm but we do realise that were all different and want different things." . Obviously as a white English person who's ethnicity is in serious decline you would look to your state to help you thrive as much as possible!. It just seems that ours doesn't really try that well, and that doesn't mean you can't have somebody of any colour or nationality being assimilated fully into English culture or englishness for a better term, there's already many who are sadly there's many who aren't either and it's not like we're picking the brightest and the best or similar cultures for integration. The Germans keep a log of arrests by nationality of birth unfortunately I can't find a British one but I'd suspect it's something simar. 2014 per 100,000 Murders Chinese 0, Thai 0, Spanish 0.4,uk 0.4, GERMANS 0.8, Dutch 0.8,usa 0.9 French 1, Italians 1.2 Eritreans 3, Nigerians 3 , polish 5, Turks 6, Moroccans 6, Somalians 6.6, Albanians 8, Iranians 8, Iraq 9, Russians 9, Tunisians 14, Lebanese 23!.(side note not much disparity on the manslaughter rates) Quite a few white nations high in that list. What's the ra,pe rate per 100,000 do you reckon?. Chinese 2.5, Dutch 2, UK 3, French 3.5, Italians 5, Spanish 3, Thai 3, GERMANS 3,USA 6, polish 6, Algerians 7 Turks 8, Iraq 14, Nigerians 17, Iran 18, Moroccans 22 Lebanese 24, Pakistani 24, Afghans, 25 Tunisians 36, Somalians 36. Theft rate per 100,000 Oh I'll give you the short hand version most Chinese and Thai 10 Europeans about 30, GERMANS 45 Eastern Europeans 80, Somalians 400, Nigerians 350, Turks 250, Eritreans 200, Iraqis 190, Afghans 500, Algerians 2325!. Those numbers are quite scary and obviously they'll be some tweaks for numbers but I know if I ran my country I'd be looking for Chinese and Thai immigration followed closely by culturally similar people from Europe but maybe looking a little harder at Eastern Europe,Russians, Albanians, Serbs, Romanians (all white people,I know what a racist) Nigerians did well in murder and manslaughter not so good in Ra,pe (lovers not fighters) frankly the "Muslim" States were appalling there a no no. But mostly if I was German looking at those figures I'd want more Germans, they ranked really low in everything and spoke German really well. | |||
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"Btw what is a globalist ?. There's many Self proclaimed globalists, they tend to be the no borders, no nations types, they push for integration which I genuinely think some of them believe in but there's many who are in it for they're own gain. Ethno nationals tend to be the opposite some of them probably are in it for the wrong reasons many like myself see it as the best solution to self evident problems we see in the world. Personally I think the world map of nations we saw 100 years ago was primarily the way it was for good reason, groups of people with shared culture history and identity feel better together, there are people of all races and cultures who don't give a shit about anybody but themselves sadly but that's the way of the world today. If we ignore the “white Israel” part of your beliefs, if I play back what I think you’ve imposter I’d be saying you see globalists being one who see equity can be created by reduced borders and barriers. However you see that this “forces” people to take advantage only by moving counties. You see the solution to equity by borders, but reatribution of wealth across borders by some means. This keeps people who are “the same” (however you define that) together. Funnily enough the EU does both. And people dislike the EU for both. . I never said "white Israel" I said a Jewish home for Jews, there actually a race on own technically, however the point stands that Israel is a country for Jews, it's entirely set up as a homeland to maintain the continuation of Jewish people and Jewish identity, Jews feel at home in Israel living amidst others Jews hence why Jews choose to go live there. This does not mean Jews cannot live anywhere else or get along anywhere else, Jews lived in North Africa for many many years. It's about people choosing and not enforcing anything Israel was created not through choice but through enforcement....ask the Palestinians.. That's very simplistic argument to a complicated historical problem." It is factual though isnt it eh? | |||
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"No I never said I wanted a white England, I said I was a white ethno nationalist, eg I'm white, England is/was a white country and I'd prefer to assimilate other cultures which choose to live here completely to English culture..ie a national mono culture. In the previous thread Were 15% of the world population and within 2 generations that's set to drop to 6%, we simply want a white nation for whites, no different than a Jewish state for Jews (Israel) or a black state for Blacks or an Islamic state for Islamists, we don't hate anybody or wish any nation harm but we do realise that were all different and want different things.. Obviously as a white English person who's ethnicity is in serious decline you would look to your state to help you thrive as much as possible!. It just seems that ours doesn't really try that well, and that doesn't mean you can't have somebody of any colour or nationality being assimilated fully into English culture or englishness for a better term, there's already many who are sadly there's many who aren't either and it's not like we're picking the brightest and the best or similar cultures for integration. The Germans keep a log of arrests by nationality of birth unfortunately I can't find a British one but I'd suspect it's something simar. 2014 per 100,000 Murders Chinese 0, Thai 0, Spanish 0.4,uk 0.4, GERMANS 0.8, Dutch 0.8,usa 0.9 French 1, Italians 1.2 Eritreans 3, Nigerians 3 , polish 5, Turks 6, Moroccans 6, Somalians 6.6, Albanians 8, Iranians 8, Iraq 9, Russians 9, Tunisians 14, Lebanese 23!.(side note not much disparity on the manslaughter rates) Quite a few white nations high in that list. What's the ra,pe rate per 100,000 do you reckon?. Chinese 2.5, Dutch 2, UK 3, French 3.5, Italians 5, Spanish 3, Thai 3, GERMANS 3,USA 6, polish 6, Algerians 7 Turks 8, Iraq 14, Nigerians 17, Iran 18, Moroccans 22 Lebanese 24, Pakistani 24, Afghans, 25 Tunisians 36, Somalians 36. Theft rate per 100,000 Oh I'll give you the short hand version most Chinese and Thai 10 Europeans about 30, GERMANS 45 Eastern Europeans 80, Somalians 400, Nigerians 350, Turks 250, Eritreans 200, Iraqis 190, Afghans 500, Algerians 2325!. Those numbers are quite scary and obviously they'll be some tweaks for numbers but I know if I ran my country I'd be looking for Chinese and Thai immigration followed closely by culturally similar people from Europe but maybe looking a little harder at Eastern Europe,Russians, Albanians, Serbs, Romanians (all white people,I know what a racist) Nigerians did well in murder and manslaughter not so good in Ra,pe (lovers not fighters) frankly the "Muslim" States were appalling there a no no. But mostly if I was German looking at those figures I'd want more Germans, they ranked really low in everything and spoke German really well. ". Ps I couldn't see a figure for Jews so no idea how they fared.. Some people like to keep abreast of them, not me I love them, culturally lovely people. | |||
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"This is just summary statistics of raw data. It’s dangerous to draw conclusions. Have you accounted for age? Sex? Wealth? My guess is the crime rate of young German men of poor backgrounds is higher than the German average. Especially violent crimes. My second guess is African immigrants will tend to be young men of poor back grounds. Meaning I’d expect to see Africans “over represented” in any crime data. Now, I’d need to see the raw data, and other data, to prove this. And it may be race is a contributing factor. But I can’t tell this just looking at your numbers. Googling crime by nationality and drawing conclusions immediately is dangerous. " What? Thinking about what the data means rather than immediately getting scared and angry about it? Where's the fun in that? Is the actual assertion that it is only "German values" or some inherent genetic factor that makes Germans less likely to commit crime than other people like Turks, Nigerians or Americans? We could also add the question of how much of this crime is between criminals? What are the most likely sources of drugs and transport routes into Germany? After one or two generations of living in Germany how do these statistics change? | |||
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"This is just summary statistics of raw data. It’s dangerous to draw conclusions. Have you accounted for age? Sex? Wealth? My guess is the crime rate of young German men of poor backgrounds is higher than the German average. Especially violent crimes. My second guess is African immigrants will tend to be young men of poor back grounds. Meaning I’d expect to see Africans “over represented” in any crime data. Now, I’d need to see the raw data, and other data, to prove this. And it may be race is a contributing factor. But I can’t tell this just looking at your numbers. Googling crime by nationality and drawing conclusions immediately is dangerous. What? Thinking about what the data means rather than immediately getting scared and angry about it? Where's the fun in that? Is the actual assertion that it is only "German values" or some inherent genetic factor that makes Germans less likely to commit crime than other people like Turks, Nigerians or Americans? We could also add the question of how much of this crime is between criminals? What are the most likely sources of drugs and transport routes into Germany? After one or two generations of living in Germany how do these statistics change?" . Yes where is the fun in that indeed, I mean there's obviously some factors that make Tunisians murder at 26 times the rate of Germans and Algerians Ra,pe at a rate 36 times higher than native Germans or... And obviously these figures MIGHT come down after a generation so what are native Germans really complaining about I mean it's only a twenty year murder Ra,pe and theft spree by people born outside of Germany because Germans were told not to have kids because your ruining the planet. Of course it's only a generational thing unless your bringing in more immigrants from the same countries year on year and then it could be a permanent trend. Shut up racist Germans look how exciting it is with the diversity you've got, cuisine from around the world to choose from and the trip home is twice exciting dodging the rapi,sts and murderers. Oh the tolerance | |||
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"This is just summary statistics of raw data. It’s dangerous to draw conclusions. Have you accounted for age? Sex? Wealth? My guess is the crime rate of young German men of poor backgrounds is higher than the German average. Especially violent crimes. My second guess is African immigrants will tend to be young men of poor back grounds. Meaning I’d expect to see Africans “over represented” in any crime data. Now, I’d need to see the raw data, and other data, to prove this. And it may be race is a contributing factor. But I can’t tell this just looking at your numbers. Googling crime by nationality and drawing conclusions immediately is dangerous. What? Thinking about what the data means rather than immediately getting scared and angry about it? Where's the fun in that? Is the actual assertion that it is only "German values" or some inherent genetic factor that makes Germans less likely to commit crime than other people like Turks, Nigerians or Americans? We could also add the question of how much of this crime is between criminals? What are the most likely sources of drugs and transport routes into Germany? After one or two generations of living in Germany how do these statistics change?. Yes where is the fun in that indeed, I mean there's obviously some factors that make Tunisians murder at 26 times the rate of Germans and Algerians Ra,pe at a rate 36 times higher than native Germans or... And obviously these figures MIGHT come down after a generation so what are native Germans really complaining about I mean it's only a twenty year murder Ra,pe and theft spree by people born outside of Germany because Germans were told not to have kids because your ruining the planet. Of course it's only a generational thing unless your bringing in more immigrants from the same countries year on year and then it could be a permanent trend. Shut up racist Germans look how exciting it is with the diversity you've got, cuisine from around the world to choose from and the trip home is twice exciting dodging the rapi,sts and murderers. Oh the tolerance "Your post illustrates the reason that statistics like these shouldnt be interpreted by those who have no statistical training.....fyi there are around 30,000 Tunisians in Germany. If the murder rate is 14/100,00.....well I will leave you to do the maths | |||
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"This is just summary statistics of raw data. It’s dangerous to draw conclusions. Have you accounted for age? Sex? Wealth? My guess is the crime rate of young German men of poor backgrounds is higher than the German average. Especially violent crimes. My second guess is African immigrants will tend to be young men of poor back grounds. Meaning I’d expect to see Africans “over represented” in any crime data. Now, I’d need to see the raw data, and other data, to prove this. And it may be race is a contributing factor. But I can’t tell this just looking at your numbers. Googling crime by nationality and drawing conclusions immediately is dangerous. What? Thinking about what the data means rather than immediately getting scared and angry about it? Where's the fun in that? Is the actual assertion that it is only "German values" or some inherent genetic factor that makes Germans less likely to commit crime than other people like Turks, Nigerians or Americans? We could also add the question of how much of this crime is between criminals? What are the most likely sources of drugs and transport routes into Germany? After one or two generations of living in Germany how do these statistics change?. Yes where is the fun in that indeed, I mean there's obviously some factors that make Tunisians murder at 26 times the rate of Germans and Algerians Ra,pe at a rate 36 times higher than native Germans or... And obviously these figures MIGHT come down after a generation so what are native Germans really complaining about I mean it's only a twenty year murder Ra,pe and theft spree by people born outside of Germany because Germans were told not to have kids because your ruining the planet. Of course it's only a generational thing unless your bringing in more immigrants from the same countries year on year and then it could be a permanent trend. Shut up racist Germans look how exciting it is with the diversity you've got, cuisine from around the world to choose from and the trip home is twice exciting dodging the rapi,sts and murderers. Oh the tolerance
Your post illustrates the reason that statistics like these shouldnt be interpreted by those who have no statistical training.....fyi there are around 30,000 Tunisians in Germany. If the murder rate is 14/100,00.....well I will leave you to do the maths". You don't really get per capita results do you?. Anyhow I'm all in favour of transparency and statics, the more merrier, mental health murders by religion maybe?. | |||
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"This is just summary statistics of raw data. It’s dangerous to draw conclusions. Have you accounted for age? Sex? Wealth? My guess is the crime rate of young German men of poor backgrounds is higher than the German average. Especially violent crimes. My second guess is African immigrants will tend to be young men of poor back grounds. Meaning I’d expect to see Africans “over represented” in any crime data. Now, I’d need to see the raw data, and other data, to prove this. And it may be race is a contributing factor. But I can’t tell this just looking at your numbers. Googling crime by nationality and drawing conclusions immediately is dangerous. What? Thinking about what the data means rather than immediately getting scared and angry about it? Where's the fun in that? Is the actual assertion that it is only "German values" or some inherent genetic factor that makes Germans less likely to commit crime than other people like Turks, Nigerians or Americans? We could also add the question of how much of this crime is between criminals? What are the most likely sources of drugs and transport routes into Germany? After one or two generations of living in Germany how do these statistics change?. Yes where is the fun in that indeed, I mean there's obviously some factors that make Tunisians murder at 26 times the rate of Germans and Algerians Ra,pe at a rate 36 times higher than native Germans or... And obviously these figures MIGHT come down after a generation so what are native Germans really complaining about I mean it's only a twenty year murder Ra,pe and theft spree by people born outside of Germany because Germans were told not to have kids because your ruining the planet. Of course it's only a generational thing unless your bringing in more immigrants from the same countries year on year and then it could be a permanent trend. Shut up racist Germans look how exciting it is with the diversity you've got, cuisine from around the world to choose from and the trip home is twice exciting dodging the rapi,sts and murderers. Oh the tolerance "Well done ignoring everything that was suggested to you to consider and just repeating exactly the same thing more loudly - like a stereotypical middle-aged, white Englishman | |||
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"This is just summary statistics of raw data. It’s dangerous to draw conclusions. Have you accounted for age? Sex? Wealth? My guess is the crime rate of young German men of poor backgrounds is higher than the German average. Especially violent crimes. My second guess is African immigrants will tend to be young men of poor back grounds. Meaning I’d expect to see Africans “over represented” in any crime data. Now, I’d need to see the raw data, and other data, to prove this. And it may be race is a contributing factor. But I can’t tell this just looking at your numbers. Googling crime by nationality and drawing conclusions immediately is dangerous. What? Thinking about what the data means rather than immediately getting scared and angry about it? Where's the fun in that? Is the actual assertion that it is only "German values" or some inherent genetic factor that makes Germans less likely to commit crime than other people like Turks, Nigerians or Americans? We could also add the question of how much of this crime is between criminals? What are the most likely sources of drugs and transport routes into Germany? After one or two generations of living in Germany how do these statistics change?. Yes where is the fun in that indeed, I mean there's obviously some factors that make Tunisians murder at 26 times the rate of Germans and Algerians Ra,pe at a rate 36 times higher than native Germans or... And obviously these figures MIGHT come down after a generation so what are native Germans really complaining about I mean it's only a twenty year murder Ra,pe and theft spree by people born outside of Germany because Germans were told not to have kids because your ruining the planet. Of course it's only a generational thing unless your bringing in more immigrants from the same countries year on year and then it could be a permanent trend. Shut up racist Germans look how exciting it is with the diversity you've got, cuisine from around the world to choose from and the trip home is twice exciting dodging the rapi,sts and murderers. Oh the tolerance
Your post illustrates the reason that statistics like these shouldnt be interpreted by those who have no statistical training.....fyi there are around 30,000 Tunisians in Germany. If the murder rate is 14/100,00.....well I will leave you to do the maths.
You don't really get per capita results do you?.
Anyhow I'm all in favour of transparency and statics, the more merrier, mental health murders by religion maybe?."The trouble is statistics are dangerous in the wrong hands. And most people think they can handle them. Which makes them more dangerous. You also find people go looking for what they want to see and stop there. Source: this thread ! | |||
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"This is just summary statistics of raw data. It’s dangerous to draw conclusions. Have you accounted for age? Sex? Wealth? My guess is the crime rate of young German men of poor backgrounds is higher than the German average. Especially violent crimes. My second guess is African immigrants will tend to be young men of poor back grounds. Meaning I’d expect to see Africans “over represented” in any crime data. Now, I’d need to see the raw data, and other data, to prove this. And it may be race is a contributing factor. But I can’t tell this just looking at your numbers. Googling crime by nationality and drawing conclusions immediately is dangerous. What? Thinking about what the data means rather than immediately getting scared and angry about it? Where's the fun in that? Is the actual assertion that it is only "German values" or some inherent genetic factor that makes Germans less likely to commit crime than other people like Turks, Nigerians or Americans? We could also add the question of how much of this crime is between criminals? What are the most likely sources of drugs and transport routes into Germany? After one or two generations of living in Germany how do these statistics change?. Yes where is the fun in that indeed, I mean there's obviously some factors that make Tunisians murder at 26 times the rate of Germans and Algerians Ra,pe at a rate 36 times higher than native Germans or... And obviously these figures MIGHT come down after a generation so what are native Germans really complaining about I mean it's only a twenty year murder Ra,pe and theft spree by people born outside of Germany because Germans were told not to have kids because your ruining the planet. Of course it's only a generational thing unless your bringing in more immigrants from the same countries year on year and then it could be a permanent trend. Shut up racist Germans look how exciting it is with the diversity you've got, cuisine from around the world to choose from and the trip home is twice exciting dodging the rapi,sts and murderers. Oh the tolerance
Well done ignoring everything that was suggested to you to consider and just repeating exactly the same thing more loudly - like a stereotypical middle-aged, white Englishman ". I'll be honest,I was staggered by your honesty,I mean you literally think it's ok for murder,Ra,pe, general crime to be through the roof because.. Well it's only for a generation and some of it will be criminal on criminal wow, mind you how would we cope without all those fast food workers 94% of which there wives don't work!,4 kids, one basic income,30% can't even write in their own language let alone EnglishI don't know how they legally do it?.
And umm "stereo typical white Englishmen", yes that's me .
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"This is just summary statistics of raw data. It’s dangerous to draw conclusions. Have you accounted for age? Sex? Wealth? My guess is the crime rate of young German men of poor backgrounds is higher than the German average. Especially violent crimes. My second guess is African immigrants will tend to be young men of poor back grounds. Meaning I’d expect to see Africans “over represented” in any crime data. Now, I’d need to see the raw data, and other data, to prove this. And it may be race is a contributing factor. But I can’t tell this just looking at your numbers. Googling crime by nationality and drawing conclusions immediately is dangerous. What? Thinking about what the data means rather than immediately getting scared and angry about it? Where's the fun in that? Is the actual assertion that it is only "German values" or some inherent genetic factor that makes Germans less likely to commit crime than other people like Turks, Nigerians or Americans? We could also add the question of how much of this crime is between criminals? What are the most likely sources of drugs and transport routes into Germany? After one or two generations of living in Germany how do these statistics change?. Yes where is the fun in that indeed, I mean there's obviously some factors that make Tunisians murder at 26 times the rate of Germans and Algerians Ra,pe at a rate 36 times higher than native Germans or... And obviously these figures MIGHT come down after a generation so what are native Germans really complaining about I mean it's only a twenty year murder Ra,pe and theft spree by people born outside of Germany because Germans were told not to have kids because your ruining the planet. Of course it's only a generational thing unless your bringing in more immigrants from the same countries year on year and then it could be a permanent trend. Shut up racist Germans look how exciting it is with the diversity you've got, cuisine from around the world to choose from and the trip home is twice exciting dodging the rapi,sts and murderers. Oh the tolerance
Your post illustrates the reason that statistics like these shouldnt be interpreted by those who have no statistical training.....fyi there are around 30,000 Tunisians in Germany. If the murder rate is 14/100,00.....well I will leave you to do the maths.
You don't really get per capita results do you?.
Anyhow I'm all in favour of transparency and statics, the more merrier, mental health murders by religion maybe?.
The trouble is statistics are dangerous in the wrong hands. And most people think they can handle them. Which makes them more dangerous.
You also find people go looking for what they want to see and stop there.
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"This is just summary statistics of raw data. It’s dangerous to draw conclusions. Have you accounted for age? Sex? Wealth? My guess is the crime rate of young German men of poor backgrounds is higher than the German average. Especially violent crimes. My second guess is African immigrants will tend to be young men of poor back grounds. Meaning I’d expect to see Africans “over represented” in any crime data. Now, I’d need to see the raw data, and other data, to prove this. And it may be race is a contributing factor. But I can’t tell this just looking at your numbers. Googling crime by nationality and drawing conclusions immediately is dangerous. What? Thinking about what the data means rather than immediately getting scared and angry about it? Where's the fun in that? Is the actual assertion that it is only "German values" or some inherent genetic factor that makes Germans less likely to commit crime than other people like Turks, Nigerians or Americans? We could also add the question of how much of this crime is between criminals? What are the most likely sources of drugs and transport routes into Germany? After one or two generations of living in Germany how do these statistics change?. Yes where is the fun in that indeed, I mean there's obviously some factors that make Tunisians murder at 26 times the rate of Germans and Algerians Ra,pe at a rate 36 times higher than native Germans or... And obviously these figures MIGHT come down after a generation so what are native Germans really complaining about I mean it's only a twenty year murder Ra,pe and theft spree by people born outside of Germany because Germans were told not to have kids because your ruining the planet. Of course it's only a generational thing unless your bringing in more immigrants from the same countries year on year and then it could be a permanent trend. Shut up racist Germans look how exciting it is with the diversity you've got, cuisine from around the world to choose from and the trip home is twice exciting dodging the rapi,sts and murderers. Oh the tolerance
Well done ignoring everything that was suggested to you to consider and just repeating exactly the same thing more loudly - like a stereotypical middle-aged, white Englishman .
I'll be honest,I was staggered by your honesty,I mean you literally think it's ok for murder,Ra,pe, general crime to be through the roof because.. Well it's only for a generation and some of it will be criminal on criminal wow, mind you how would we cope without all those fast food workers 94% of which there wives don't work!,4 kids, one basic income,30% can't even write in their own language let alone EnglishI don't know how they legally do it?.
And umm "stereo typical white Englishmen", yes that's me .
"Wow. You are in the Centaur 1+2=5 camp. Nothing I wrote even implied that either of those two crimes were OK. Do feel free to explain how you came to that conclusion. You also ignored the points made for you to respond to, again. Well done
What economic and education levels do the majority of these immigrants come from?
What are equivalent statistics for "ethnic" Germans of a similar socio-socio-economic group?
How many of these crimes are between rival criminal gangs and how many visited on average citizens?
Is there a link between place of origin and drugs-trafficking? This impacts on the question above.
Would you like to repeat yourself again? Possibly using upper caps next time to make the point clearer?
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"This is just summary statistics of raw data. It’s dangerous to draw conclusions. Have you accounted for age? Sex? Wealth? My guess is the crime rate of young German men of poor backgrounds is higher than the German average. Especially violent crimes. My second guess is African immigrants will tend to be young men of poor back grounds. Meaning I’d expect to see Africans “over represented” in any crime data. Now, I’d need to see the raw data, and other data, to prove this. And it may be race is a contributing factor. But I can’t tell this just looking at your numbers. Googling crime by nationality and drawing conclusions immediately is dangerous. What? Thinking about what the data means rather than immediately getting scared and angry about it? Where's the fun in that? Is the actual assertion that it is only "German values" or some inherent genetic factor that makes Germans less likely to commit crime than other people like Turks, Nigerians or Americans? We could also add the question of how much of this crime is between criminals? What are the most likely sources of drugs and transport routes into Germany? After one or two generations of living in Germany how do these statistics change?. Yes where is the fun in that indeed, I mean there's obviously some factors that make Tunisians murder at 26 times the rate of Germans and Algerians Ra,pe at a rate 36 times higher than native Germans or... And obviously these figures MIGHT come down after a generation so what are native Germans really complaining about I mean it's only a twenty year murder Ra,pe and theft spree by people born outside of Germany because Germans were told not to have kids because your ruining the planet. Of course it's only a generational thing unless your bringing in more immigrants from the same countries year on year and then it could be a permanent trend. Shut up racist Germans look how exciting it is with the diversity you've got, cuisine from around the world to choose from and the trip home is twice exciting dodging the rapi,sts and murderers. Oh the tolerance
Your post illustrates the reason that statistics like these shouldnt be interpreted by those who have no statistical training.....fyi there are around 30,000 Tunisians in Germany. If the murder rate is 14/100,00.....well I will leave you to do the maths.
You don't really get per capita results do you?.
Anyhow I'm all in favour of transparency and statics, the more merrier, mental health murders by religion maybe?.
The trouble is statistics are dangerous in the wrong hands. And most people think they can handle them. Which makes them more dangerous.
You also find people go looking for what they want to see and stop there.
Source: this thread !.
Yes those dammed dangerous stats, we must conceal them for the good of the people!, anybody who wishes to talk about them must be far right mentally ill people I reckon. What do you think?"Any thoughts on my comment that age, gender and socio-economic status could be more likely to be the explanatory variables for propensity to commit crime, and that an over representation of these in immigrants within Germany may cause the headline stats your quoting? It’s interesting you went for religion as being the next set of statistics you wanted to see. Not anything else. Your analysis is like me saying most terrorists are men, so we need to have a male security line at the airport to target reducing the risk. | |||
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"This is just summary statistics of raw data. It’s dangerous to draw conclusions. Have you accounted for age? Sex? Wealth? My guess is the crime rate of young German men of poor backgrounds is higher than the German average. Especially violent crimes. My second guess is African immigrants will tend to be young men of poor back grounds. Meaning I’d expect to see Africans “over represented” in any crime data. Now, I’d need to see the raw data, and other data, to prove this. And it may be race is a contributing factor. But I can’t tell this just looking at your numbers. Googling crime by nationality and drawing conclusions immediately is dangerous. What? Thinking about what the data means rather than immediately getting scared and angry about it? Where's the fun in that? Is the actual assertion that it is only "German values" or some inherent genetic factor that makes Germans less likely to commit crime than other people like Turks, Nigerians or Americans? We could also add the question of how much of this crime is between criminals? What are the most likely sources of drugs and transport routes into Germany? After one or two generations of living in Germany how do these statistics change?. Yes where is the fun in that indeed, I mean there's obviously some factors that make Tunisians murder at 26 times the rate of Germans and Algerians Ra,pe at a rate 36 times higher than native Germans or... And obviously these figures MIGHT come down after a generation so what are native Germans really complaining about I mean it's only a twenty year murder Ra,pe and theft spree by people born outside of Germany because Germans were told not to have kids because your ruining the planet. Of course it's only a generational thing unless your bringing in more immigrants from the same countries year on year and then it could be a permanent trend. Shut up racist Germans look how exciting it is with the diversity you've got, cuisine from around the world to choose from and the trip home is twice exciting dodging the rapi,sts and murderers. Oh the tolerance
Well done ignoring everything that was suggested to you to consider and just repeating exactly the same thing more loudly - like a stereotypical middle-aged, white Englishman .
I'll be honest,I was staggered by your honesty,I mean you literally think it's ok for murder,Ra,pe, general crime to be through the roof because.. Well it's only for a generation and some of it will be criminal on criminal wow, mind you how would we cope without all those fast food workers 94% of which there wives don't work!,4 kids, one basic income,30% can't even write in their own language let alone EnglishI don't know how they legally do it?.
And umm "stereo typical white Englishmen", yes that's me .
Wow. You are in the Centaur 1+2=5 camp.
Nothing I wrote even implied that either of those two crimes were OK.
Do feel free to explain how you came to that conclusion.
You also ignored the points made for you to respond to, again. Well done
What economic and education levels do the majority of these immigrants come from?
What are equivalent statistics for "ethnic" Germans of a similar socio-socio-economic group?
How many of these crimes are between rival criminal gangs and how many visited on average citizens?
Is there a link between place of origin and drugs-trafficking? This impacts on the question above.
Would you like to repeat yourself again? Possibly using upper caps next time to make the point clearer?
You are not a stereotypical middle-aged, white Englishman. You are unique ". Again your doing this same shit, social economic circumstances!, yes we've all been down on our luck but no as the figures show we don't go out and Ra,pe women because of it (just a side note, the Muslim countries were really high up in the Ra,pe list despite being no poorer than many African countries) again culture!. Anyhow nobody who lives in the host countries taking this immigration give a shit frankly, were not interested in the bollocks the stats are enough for us. | |||
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"This is just summary statistics of raw data. It’s dangerous to draw conclusions. Have you accounted for age? Sex? Wealth? My guess is the crime rate of young German men of poor backgrounds is higher than the German average. Especially violent crimes. My second guess is African immigrants will tend to be young men of poor back grounds. Meaning I’d expect to see Africans “over represented” in any crime data. Now, I’d need to see the raw data, and other data, to prove this. And it may be race is a contributing factor. But I can’t tell this just looking at your numbers. Googling crime by nationality and drawing conclusions immediately is dangerous. What? Thinking about what the data means rather than immediately getting scared and angry about it? Where's the fun in that? Is the actual assertion that it is only "German values" or some inherent genetic factor that makes Germans less likely to commit crime than other people like Turks, Nigerians or Americans? We could also add the question of how much of this crime is between criminals? What are the most likely sources of drugs and transport routes into Germany? After one or two generations of living in Germany how do these statistics change?. Yes where is the fun in that indeed, I mean there's obviously some factors that make Tunisians murder at 26 times the rate of Germans and Algerians Ra,pe at a rate 36 times higher than native Germans or... And obviously these figures MIGHT come down after a generation so what are native Germans really complaining about I mean it's only a twenty year murder Ra,pe and theft spree by people born outside of Germany because Germans were told not to have kids because your ruining the planet. Of course it's only a generational thing unless your bringing in more immigrants from the same countries year on year and then it could be a permanent trend. Shut up racist Germans look how exciting it is with the diversity you've got, cuisine from around the world to choose from and the trip home is twice exciting dodging the rapi,sts and murderers. Oh the tolerance
Well done ignoring everything that was suggested to you to consider and just repeating exactly the same thing more loudly - like a stereotypical middle-aged, white Englishman .
I'll be honest,I was staggered by your honesty,I mean you literally think it's ok for murder,Ra,pe, general crime to be through the roof because.. Well it's only for a generation and some of it will be criminal on criminal wow, mind you how would we cope without all those fast food workers 94% of which there wives don't work!,4 kids, one basic income,30% can't even write in their own language let alone EnglishI don't know how they legally do it?.
And umm "stereo typical white Englishmen", yes that's me .
Wow. You are in the Centaur 1+2=5 camp.
Nothing I wrote even implied that either of those two crimes were OK.
Do feel free to explain how you came to that conclusion.
You also ignored the points made for you to respond to, again. Well done
What economic and education levels do the majority of these immigrants come from?
What are equivalent statistics for "ethnic" Germans of a similar socio-socio-economic group?
How many of these crimes are between rival criminal gangs and how many visited on average citizens?
Is there a link between place of origin and drugs-trafficking? This impacts on the question above.
Would you like to repeat yourself again? Possibly using upper caps next time to make the point clearer?
You are not a stereotypical middle-aged, white Englishman. You are unique .
Again your doing this same shit, social economic circumstances!, yes we've all been down on our luck but no as the figures show we don't go out and Ra,pe women because of it (just a side note, the Muslim countries were really high up in the Ra,pe list despite being no poorer than many African countries) again culture!.
Anyhow nobody who lives in the host countries taking this immigration give a shit frankly, were not interested in the bollocks the stats are enough for us."As you don't reply to questions, but just repeat yourself it's quite difficult to move on with a discussion so I'll just have to make an assumption. Your implication is that inherently people who are not white Germans are more likely to because of their social background, religion or inherent genetic tendencies. I am suggesting that if you compared exactly the same type of people by socio-economic background and age range you would end up with a very similar per capita rate. Immigrant communities tend to have a higher proportion of young men. Once you take out women and children and old people the ratios change significantly. The other point made was that 14 murderers do not, by any stretch, represent the behaviour of hundreds of thousands of people who happen to share the same home country as them. Should I assume that you identify all of "your people" with John Wourboys or Fred West? | |||
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"This is just summary statistics of raw data. It’s dangerous to draw conclusions. Have you accounted for age? Sex? Wealth? My guess is the crime rate of young German men of poor backgrounds is higher than the German average. Especially violent crimes. My second guess is African immigrants will tend to be young men of poor back grounds. Meaning I’d expect to see Africans “over represented” in any crime data. Now, I’d need to see the raw data, and other data, to prove this. And it may be race is a contributing factor. But I can’t tell this just looking at your numbers. Googling crime by nationality and drawing conclusions immediately is dangerous. What? Thinking about what the data means rather than immediately getting scared and angry about it? Where's the fun in that? Is the actual assertion that it is only "German values" or some inherent genetic factor that makes Germans less likely to commit crime than other people like Turks, Nigerians or Americans? We could also add the question of how much of this crime is between criminals? What are the most likely sources of drugs and transport routes into Germany? After one or two generations of living in Germany how do these statistics change?. Yes where is the fun in that indeed, I mean there's obviously some factors that make Tunisians murder at 26 times the rate of Germans and Algerians Ra,pe at a rate 36 times higher than native Germans or... And obviously these figures MIGHT come down after a generation so what are native Germans really complaining about I mean it's only a twenty year murder Ra,pe and theft spree by people born outside of Germany because Germans were told not to have kids because your ruining the planet. Of course it's only a generational thing unless your bringing in more immigrants from the same countries year on year and then it could be a permanent trend. Shut up racist Germans look how exciting it is with the diversity you've got, cuisine from around the world to choose from and the trip home is twice exciting dodging the rapi,sts and murderers. Oh the tolerance
Well done ignoring everything that was suggested to you to consider and just repeating exactly the same thing more loudly - like a stereotypical middle-aged, white Englishman .
I'll be honest,I was staggered by your honesty,I mean you literally think it's ok for murder,Ra,pe, general crime to be through the roof because.. Well it's only for a generation and some of it will be criminal on criminal wow, mind you how would we cope without all those fast food workers 94% of which there wives don't work!,4 kids, one basic income,30% can't even write in their own language let alone EnglishI don't know how they legally do it?.
And umm "stereo typical white Englishmen", yes that's me .
Wow. You are in the Centaur 1+2=5 camp.
Nothing I wrote even implied that either of those two crimes were OK.
Do feel free to explain how you came to that conclusion.
You also ignored the points made for you to respond to, again. Well done
What economic and education levels do the majority of these immigrants come from?
What are equivalent statistics for "ethnic" Germans of a similar socio-socio-economic group?
How many of these crimes are between rival criminal gangs and how many visited on average citizens?
Is there a link between place of origin and drugs-trafficking? This impacts on the question above.
Would you like to repeat yourself again? Possibly using upper caps next time to make the point clearer?
You are not a stereotypical middle-aged, white Englishman. You are unique .
Again your doing this same shit, social economic circumstances!, yes we've all been down on our luck but no as the figures show we don't go out and Ra,pe women because of it (just a side note, the Muslim countries were really high up in the Ra,pe list despite being no poorer than many African countries) again culture!.
Anyhow nobody who lives in the host countries taking this immigration give a shit frankly, were not interested in the bollocks the stats are enough for us.
As you don't reply to questions, but just repeat yourself it's quite difficult to move on with a discussion so I'll just have to make an assumption.
Your implication is that inherently people who are not white Germans are more likely to because of their social background, religion or inherent genetic tendencies.
I am suggesting that if you compared exactly the same type of people by socio-economic background and age range you would end up with a very similar per capita rate.
Immigrant communities tend to have a higher proportion of young men. Once you take out women and children and old people the ratios change significantly.
The other point made was that 14 murderers do not, by any stretch, represent the behaviour of hundreds of thousands of people who happen to share the same home country as them.
Should I assume that you identify all of "your people" with John Wourboys or Fred West?"exactly it’s same as 4arrests out of a hundred protesting don’t represent the behavior of the 17-4 million leave voters | |||
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"This is just summary statistics of raw data. It’s dangerous to draw conclusions. Have you accounted for age? Sex? Wealth? My guess is the crime rate of young German men of poor backgrounds is higher than the German average. Especially violent crimes. My second guess is African immigrants will tend to be young men of poor back grounds. Meaning I’d expect to see Africans “over represented” in any crime data. Now, I’d need to see the raw data, and other data, to prove this. And it may be race is a contributing factor. But I can’t tell this just looking at your numbers. Googling crime by nationality and drawing conclusions immediately is dangerous. What? Thinking about what the data means rather than immediately getting scared and angry about it? Where's the fun in that? Is the actual assertion that it is only "German values" or some inherent genetic factor that makes Germans less likely to commit crime than other people like Turks, Nigerians or Americans? We could also add the question of how much of this crime is between criminals? What are the most likely sources of drugs and transport routes into Germany? After one or two generations of living in Germany how do these statistics change?. Yes where is the fun in that indeed, I mean there's obviously some factors that make Tunisians murder at 26 times the rate of Germans and Algerians Ra,pe at a rate 36 times higher than native Germans or... And obviously these figures MIGHT come down after a generation so what are native Germans really complaining about I mean it's only a twenty year murder Ra,pe and theft spree by people born outside of Germany because Germans were told not to have kids because your ruining the planet. Of course it's only a generational thing unless your bringing in more immigrants from the same countries year on year and then it could be a permanent trend. Shut up racist Germans look how exciting it is with the diversity you've got, cuisine from around the world to choose from and the trip home is twice exciting dodging the rapi,sts and murderers. Oh the tolerance
Well done ignoring everything that was suggested to you to consider and just repeating exactly the same thing more loudly - like a stereotypical middle-aged, white Englishman .
I'll be honest,I was staggered by your honesty,I mean you literally think it's ok for murder,Ra,pe, general crime to be through the roof because.. Well it's only for a generation and some of it will be criminal on criminal wow, mind you how would we cope without all those fast food workers 94% of which there wives don't work!,4 kids, one basic income,30% can't even write in their own language let alone EnglishI don't know how they legally do it?.
And umm "stereo typical white Englishmen", yes that's me .
Wow. You are in the Centaur 1+2=5 camp.
Nothing I wrote even implied that either of those two crimes were OK.
Do feel free to explain how you came to that conclusion.
You also ignored the points made for you to respond to, again. Well done
What economic and education levels do the majority of these immigrants come from?
What are equivalent statistics for "ethnic" Germans of a similar socio-socio-economic group?
How many of these crimes are between rival criminal gangs and how many visited on average citizens?
Is there a link between place of origin and drugs-trafficking? This impacts on the question above.
Would you like to repeat yourself again? Possibly using upper caps next time to make the point clearer?
You are not a stereotypical middle-aged, white Englishman. You are unique .
Again your doing this same shit, social economic circumstances!, yes we've all been down on our luck but no as the figures show we don't go out and Ra,pe women because of it (just a side note, the Muslim countries were really high up in the Ra,pe list despite being no poorer than many African countries) again culture!.
Anyhow nobody who lives in the host countries taking this immigration give a shit frankly, were not interested in the bollocks the stats are enough for us.
As you don't reply to questions, but just repeat yourself it's quite difficult to move on with a discussion so I'll just have to make an assumption.
Your implication is that inherently people who are not white Germans are more likely to because of their social background, religion or inherent genetic tendencies.
I am suggesting that if you compared exactly the same type of people by socio-economic background and age range you would end up with a very similar per capita rate.
Immigrant communities tend to have a higher proportion of young men. Once you take out women and children and old people the ratios change significantly.
The other point made was that 14 murderers do not, by any stretch, represent the behaviour of hundreds of thousands of people who happen to share the same home country as them.
Should I assume that you identify all of "your people" with John Wourboys or Fred West?". Yes if we produced Fred West at 38 times the average be my guest and assume what you like, alas we don't nobody in Western Europe does, Muslim countries though do, rich or poor there Ra,pers at a higher rate than we are, personally nothing to do with genetics just plain old culture and religion at play. Your doing the word salad crap again one person doesn't represent the whole! No shit but 38 times average gives you a bloody good guess at what you'll get, ask Sweden!. | |||
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"Nothing personal but where are you from originally?." It helps if you include the quote so people know who you are talking to! I know it's not me, but I'm originate from Cumbria. How about you? | |||
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"This is just summary statistics of raw data. It’s dangerous to draw conclusions. Have you accounted for age? Sex? Wealth? My guess is the crime rate of young German men of poor backgrounds is higher than the German average. Especially violent crimes. My second guess is African immigrants will tend to be young men of poor back grounds. Meaning I’d expect to see Africans “over represented” in any crime data. Now, I’d need to see the raw data, and other data, to prove this. And it may be race is a contributing factor. But I can’t tell this just looking at your numbers. Googling crime by nationality and drawing conclusions immediately is dangerous. What? Thinking about what the data means rather than immediately getting scared and angry about it? Where's the fun in that? Is the actual assertion that it is only "German values" or some inherent genetic factor that makes Germans less likely to commit crime than other people like Turks, Nigerians or Americans? We could also add the question of how much of this crime is between criminals? What are the most likely sources of drugs and transport routes into Germany? After one or two generations of living in Germany how do these statistics change?. Yes where is the fun in that indeed, I mean there's obviously some factors that make Tunisians murder at 26 times the rate of Germans and Algerians Ra,pe at a rate 36 times higher than native Germans or... And obviously these figures MIGHT come down after a generation so what are native Germans really complaining about I mean it's only a twenty year murder Ra,pe and theft spree by people born outside of Germany because Germans were told not to have kids because your ruining the planet. Of course it's only a generational thing unless your bringing in more immigrants from the same countries year on year and then it could be a permanent trend. Shut up racist Germans look how exciting it is with the diversity you've got, cuisine from around the world to choose from and the trip home is twice exciting dodging the rapi,sts and murderers. Oh the tolerance
Well done ignoring everything that was suggested to you to consider and just repeating exactly the same thing more loudly - like a stereotypical middle-aged, white Englishman .
I'll be honest,I was staggered by your honesty,I mean you literally think it's ok for murder,Ra,pe, general crime to be through the roof because.. Well it's only for a generation and some of it will be criminal on criminal wow, mind you how would we cope without all those fast food workers 94% of which there wives don't work!,4 kids, one basic income,30% can't even write in their own language let alone EnglishI don't know how they legally do it?.
And umm "stereo typical white Englishmen", yes that's me .
Wow. You are in the Centaur 1+2=5 camp.
Nothing I wrote even implied that either of those two crimes were OK.
Do feel free to explain how you came to that conclusion.
You also ignored the points made for you to respond to, again. Well done
What economic and education levels do the majority of these immigrants come from?
What are equivalent statistics for "ethnic" Germans of a similar socio-socio-economic group?
How many of these crimes are between rival criminal gangs and how many visited on average citizens?
Is there a link between place of origin and drugs-trafficking? This impacts on the question above.
Would you like to repeat yourself again? Possibly using upper caps next time to make the point clearer?
You are not a stereotypical middle-aged, white Englishman. You are unique .
Again your doing this same shit, social economic circumstances!, yes we've all been down on our luck but no as the figures show we don't go out and Ra,pe women because of it (just a side note, the Muslim countries were really high up in the Ra,pe list despite being no poorer than many African countries) again culture!.
Anyhow nobody who lives in the host countries taking this immigration give a shit frankly, were not interested in the bollocks the stats are enough for us."As the figures show ? I guess I’m not explaining myself well as I’m saying the figures (as presented) can’t tell us anything unless we know all other factors are held constant. What you are saying is that if you have were investigating a r.@ape and cctv caught a white 18yo male and a 75 yo African millionaire women in the area you’d be putting a large percentage of your money on the women because the she’s African. Now I’m not saying culture isn’t a part. I suspect it is for some crimes. Im saying your drawing conclusions that aren’t evident from the statistics you’re quoting. | |||
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"Nothing personal but where are you from originally?. It helps if you include the quote so people know who you are talking to! I know it's not me, but I'm originate from Cumbria. How about you? " . I think he knows!. | |||
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"Nothing personal but where are you from originally?. It helps if you include the quote so people know who you are talking to! I know it's not me, but I'm originate from Cumbria. How about you? . I think he knows!." So, where are you from? Also ever done a DNA test? | |||
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"Nothing personal but where are you from originally?. It helps if you include the quote so people know who you are talking to! I know it's not me, but I'm originate from Cumbria. How about you? . I think he knows!. So, where are you from? Also ever done a DNA test?" . Yorkshire and yes | |||
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"Nothing personal but where are you from originally?. It helps if you include the quote so people know who you are talking to! I know it's not me, but I'm originate from Cumbria. How about you? . I think he knows!. So, where are you from? Also ever done a DNA test?. Yorkshire and yes" How did it come back? I haven't done one but my sister did. | |||
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"Nothing personal but where are you from originally?. It helps if you include the quote so people know who you are talking to! I know it's not me, but I'm originate from Cumbria. How about you? . I think he knows!. So, where are you from? Also ever done a DNA test?. Yorkshire and yes How did it come back? I haven't done one but my sister did." . Turns out she was mine | |||
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"Nothing personal but where are you from originally?. It helps if you include the quote so people know who you are talking to! I know it's not me, but I'm originate from Cumbria. How about you? . I think he knows!. So, where are you from? Also ever done a DNA test?. Yorkshire and yes How did it come back? I haven't done one but my sister did.. Turns out she was mine "I meant a heritage one. | |||
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"This is just summary statistics of raw data. It’s dangerous to draw conclusions. Have you accounted for age? Sex? Wealth? My guess is the crime rate of young German men of poor backgrounds is higher than the German average. Especially violent crimes. My second guess is African immigrants will tend to be young men of poor back grounds. Meaning I’d expect to see Africans “over represented” in any crime data. Now, I’d need to see the raw data, and other data, to prove this. And it may be race is a contributing factor. But I can’t tell this just looking at your numbers. Googling crime by nationality and drawing conclusions immediately is dangerous. What? Thinking about what the data means rather than immediately getting scared and angry about it? Where's the fun in that? Is the actual assertion that it is only "German values" or some inherent genetic factor that makes Germans less likely to commit crime than other people like Turks, Nigerians or Americans? We could also add the question of how much of this crime is between criminals? What are the most likely sources of drugs and transport routes into Germany? After one or two generations of living in Germany how do these statistics change?. Yes where is the fun in that indeed, I mean there's obviously some factors that make Tunisians murder at 26 times the rate of Germans and Algerians Ra,pe at a rate 36 times higher than native Germans or... And obviously these figures MIGHT come down after a generation so what are native Germans really complaining about I mean it's only a twenty year murder Ra,pe and theft spree by people born outside of Germany because Germans were told not to have kids because your ruining the planet. Of course it's only a generational thing unless your bringing in more immigrants from the same countries year on year and then it could be a permanent trend. Shut up racist Germans look how exciting it is with the diversity you've got, cuisine from around the world to choose from and the trip home is twice exciting dodging the rapi,sts and murderers. Oh the tolerance
Well done ignoring everything that was suggested to you to consider and just repeating exactly the same thing more loudly - like a stereotypical middle-aged, white Englishman .
I'll be honest,I was staggered by your honesty,I mean you literally think it's ok for murder,Ra,pe, general crime to be through the roof because.. Well it's only for a generation and some of it will be criminal on criminal wow, mind you how would we cope without all those fast food workers 94% of which there wives don't work!,4 kids, one basic income,30% can't even write in their own language let alone EnglishI don't know how they legally do it?.
And umm "stereo typical white Englishmen", yes that's me .
Wow. You are in the Centaur 1+2=5 camp.
Nothing I wrote even implied that either of those two crimes were OK.
Do feel free to explain how you came to that conclusion.
You also ignored the points made for you to respond to, again. Well done
What economic and education levels do the majority of these immigrants come from?
What are equivalent statistics for "ethnic" Germans of a similar socio-socio-economic group?
How many of these crimes are between rival criminal gangs and how many visited on average citizens?
Is there a link between place of origin and drugs-trafficking? This impacts on the question above.
Would you like to repeat yourself again? Possibly using upper caps next time to make the point clearer?
You are not a stereotypical middle-aged, white Englishman. You are unique .
Again your doing this same shit, social economic circumstances!, yes we've all been down on our luck but no as the figures show we don't go out and Ra,pe women because of it (just a side note, the Muslim countries were really high up in the Ra,pe list despite being no poorer than many African countries) again culture!.
Anyhow nobody who lives in the host countries taking this immigration give a shit frankly, were not interested in the bollocks the stats are enough for us.
As you don't reply to questions, but just repeat yourself it's quite difficult to move on with a discussion so I'll just have to make an assumption.
Your implication is that inherently people who are not white Germans are more likely to because of their social background, religion or inherent genetic tendencies.
I am suggesting that if you compared exactly the same type of people by socio-economic background and age range you would end up with a very similar per capita rate.
Immigrant communities tend to have a higher proportion of young men. Once you take out women and children and old people the ratios change significantly.
The other point made was that 14 murderers do not, by any stretch, represent the behaviour of hundreds of thousands of people who happen to share the same home country as them.
Should I assume that you identify all of "your people" with John Wourboys or Fred West? exactly it’s same as 4arrests out of a hundred protesting don’t represent the behavior of the 17-4 million leave voters "Have I disagreed with you on that point? | |||
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"This is just summary statistics of raw data. It’s dangerous to draw conclusions. Have you accounted for age? Sex? Wealth? My guess is the crime rate of young German men of poor backgrounds is higher than the German average. Especially violent crimes. My second guess is African immigrants will tend to be young men of poor back grounds. Meaning I’d expect to see Africans “over represented” in any crime data. Now, I’d need to see the raw data, and other data, to prove this. And it may be race is a contributing factor. But I can’t tell this just looking at your numbers. Googling crime by nationality and drawing conclusions immediately is dangerous. What? Thinking about what the data means rather than immediately getting scared and angry about it? Where's the fun in that? Is the actual assertion that it is only "German values" or some inherent genetic factor that makes Germans less likely to commit crime than other people like Turks, Nigerians or Americans? We could also add the question of how much of this crime is between criminals? What are the most likely sources of drugs and transport routes into Germany? After one or two generations of living in Germany how do these statistics change?. Yes where is the fun in that indeed, I mean there's obviously some factors that make Tunisians murder at 26 times the rate of Germans and Algerians Ra,pe at a rate 36 times higher than native Germans or... And obviously these figures MIGHT come down after a generation so what are native Germans really complaining about I mean it's only a twenty year murder Ra,pe and theft spree by people born outside of Germany because Germans were told not to have kids because your ruining the planet. Of course it's only a generational thing unless your bringing in more immigrants from the same countries year on year and then it could be a permanent trend. Shut up racist Germans look how exciting it is with the diversity you've got, cuisine from around the world to choose from and the trip home is twice exciting dodging the rapi,sts and murderers. Oh the tolerance
Well done ignoring everything that was suggested to you to consider and just repeating exactly the same thing more loudly - like a stereotypical middle-aged, white Englishman .
I'll be honest,I was staggered by your honesty,I mean you literally think it's ok for murder,Ra,pe, general crime to be through the roof because.. Well it's only for a generation and some of it will be criminal on criminal wow, mind you how would we cope without all those fast food workers 94% of which there wives don't work!,4 kids, one basic income,30% can't even write in their own language let alone EnglishI don't know how they legally do it?.
And umm "stereo typical white Englishmen", yes that's me .
Wow. You are in the Centaur 1+2=5 camp.
Nothing I wrote even implied that either of those two crimes were OK.
Do feel free to explain how you came to that conclusion.
You also ignored the points made for you to respond to, again. Well done
What economic and education levels do the majority of these immigrants come from?
What are equivalent statistics for "ethnic" Germans of a similar socio-socio-economic group?
How many of these crimes are between rival criminal gangs and how many visited on average citizens?
Is there a link between place of origin and drugs-trafficking? This impacts on the question above.
Would you like to repeat yourself again? Possibly using upper caps next time to make the point clearer?
You are not a stereotypical middle-aged, white Englishman. You are unique .
Again your doing this same shit, social economic circumstances!, yes we've all been down on our luck but no as the figures show we don't go out and Ra,pe women because of it (just a side note, the Muslim countries were really high up in the Ra,pe list despite being no poorer than many African countries) again culture!.
Anyhow nobody who lives in the host countries taking this immigration give a shit frankly, were not interested in the bollocks the stats are enough for us.
As the figures show ? I guess I’m not explaining myself well as I’m saying the figures (as presented) can’t tell us anything unless we know all other factors are held constant.
What you are saying is that if you have were investigating a r.@ape and cctv caught a white 18yo male and a 75 yo African millionaire women in the area you’d be putting a large percentage of your money on the women because the she’s African.
Now I’m not saying culture isn’t a part. I suspect it is for some crimes. Im saying your drawing conclusions that aren’t evident from the statistics you’re quoting. "You are explaining yourself perfectly well | |||
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"This is just summary statistics of raw data. It’s dangerous to draw conclusions. Have you accounted for age? Sex? Wealth? My guess is the crime rate of young German men of poor backgrounds is higher than the German average. Especially violent crimes. My second guess is African immigrants will tend to be young men of poor back grounds. Meaning I’d expect to see Africans “over represented” in any crime data. Now, I’d need to see the raw data, and other data, to prove this. And it may be race is a contributing factor. But I can’t tell this just looking at your numbers. Googling crime by nationality and drawing conclusions immediately is dangerous. What? Thinking about what the data means rather than immediately getting scared and angry about it? Where's the fun in that? Is the actual assertion that it is only "German values" or some inherent genetic factor that makes Germans less likely to commit crime than other people like Turks, Nigerians or Americans? We could also add the question of how much of this crime is between criminals? What are the most likely sources of drugs and transport routes into Germany? After one or two generations of living in Germany how do these statistics change?. Yes where is the fun in that indeed, I mean there's obviously some factors that make Tunisians murder at 26 times the rate of Germans and Algerians Ra,pe at a rate 36 times higher than native Germans or... And obviously these figures MIGHT come down after a generation so what are native Germans really complaining about I mean it's only a twenty year murder Ra,pe and theft spree by people born outside of Germany because Germans were told not to have kids because your ruining the planet. Of course it's only a generational thing unless your bringing in more immigrants from the same countries year on year and then it could be a permanent trend. Shut up racist Germans look how exciting it is with the diversity you've got, cuisine from around the world to choose from and the trip home is twice exciting dodging the rapi,sts and murderers. Oh the tolerance
Well done ignoring everything that was suggested to you to consider and just repeating exactly the same thing more loudly - like a stereotypical middle-aged, white Englishman .
I'll be honest,I was staggered by your honesty,I mean you literally think it's ok for murder,Ra,pe, general crime to be through the roof because.. Well it's only for a generation and some of it will be criminal on criminal wow, mind you how would we cope without all those fast food workers 94% of which there wives don't work!,4 kids, one basic income,30% can't even write in their own language let alone EnglishI don't know how they legally do it?.
And umm "stereo typical white Englishmen", yes that's me .
Wow. You are in the Centaur 1+2=5 camp.
Nothing I wrote even implied that either of those two crimes were OK.
Do feel free to explain how you came to that conclusion.
You also ignored the points made for you to respond to, again. Well done
What economic and education levels do the majority of these immigrants come from?
What are equivalent statistics for "ethnic" Germans of a similar socio-socio-economic group?
How many of these crimes are between rival criminal gangs and how many visited on average citizens?
Is there a link between place of origin and drugs-trafficking? This impacts on the question above.
Would you like to repeat yourself again? Possibly using upper caps next time to make the point clearer?
You are not a stereotypical middle-aged, white Englishman. You are unique .
Again your doing this same shit, social economic circumstances!, yes we've all been down on our luck but no as the figures show we don't go out and Ra,pe women because of it (just a side note, the Muslim countries were really high up in the Ra,pe list despite being no poorer than many African countries) again culture!.
Anyhow nobody who lives in the host countries taking this immigration give a shit frankly, were not interested in the bollocks the stats are enough for us.
As you don't reply to questions, but just repeat yourself it's quite difficult to move on with a discussion so I'll just have to make an assumption.
Your implication is that inherently people who are not white Germans are more likely to because of their social background, religion or inherent genetic tendencies.
I am suggesting that if you compared exactly the same type of people by socio-economic background and age range you would end up with a very similar per capita rate.
Immigrant communities tend to have a higher proportion of young men. Once you take out women and children and old people the ratios change significantly.
The other point made was that 14 murderers do not, by any stretch, represent the behaviour of hundreds of thousands of people who happen to share the same home country as them.
Should I assume that you identify all of "your people" with John Wourboys or Fred West?.
Yes if we produced Fred West at 38 times the average be my guest and assume what you like, alas we don't nobody in Western Europe does, Muslim countries though do, rich or poor there Ra,pers at a higher rate than we are, personally nothing to do with genetics just plain old culture and religion at play.
Your doing the word salad crap again one person doesn't represent the whole! No shit but 38 times average gives you a bloody good guess at what you'll get, ask Sweden!."Not a word salad. Very direct points and very direct questions. All ignored. You claim not to be 100% certain about anything, yet you absolutely are. | |||
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"Nothing personal but where are you from originally?." Oh, you are being absolutely as personal as it's possible to be. You really cannot work that out? | |||
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"Nothing personal but where are you from originally?. It helps if you include the quote so people know who you are talking to! I know it's not me, but I'm originate from Cumbria. How about you? . I think he knows!. So, where are you from? Also ever done a DNA test?. Yorkshire and yes How did it come back? I haven't done one but my sister did.. Turns out she was mine
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"This is just summary statistics of raw data. It’s dangerous to draw conclusions. Have you accounted for age? Sex? Wealth? My guess is the crime rate of young German men of poor backgrounds is higher than the German average. Especially violent crimes. My second guess is African immigrants will tend to be young men of poor back grounds. Meaning I’d expect to see Africans “over represented” in any crime data. Now, I’d need to see the raw data, and other data, to prove this. And it may be race is a contributing factor. But I can’t tell this just looking at your numbers. Googling crime by nationality and drawing conclusions immediately is dangerous. What? Thinking about what the data means rather than immediately getting scared and angry about it? Where's the fun in that? Is the actual assertion that it is only "German values" or some inherent genetic factor that makes Germans less likely to commit crime than other people like Turks, Nigerians or Americans? We could also add the question of how much of this crime is between criminals? What are the most likely sources of drugs and transport routes into Germany? After one or two generations of living in Germany how do these statistics change?. Yes where is the fun in that indeed, I mean there's obviously some factors that make Tunisians murder at 26 times the rate of Germans and Algerians Ra,pe at a rate 36 times higher than native Germans or... And obviously these figures MIGHT come down after a generation so what are native Germans really complaining about I mean it's only a twenty year murder Ra,pe and theft spree by people born outside of Germany because Germans were told not to have kids because your ruining the planet. Of course it's only a generational thing unless your bringing in more immigrants from the same countries year on year and then it could be a permanent trend. Shut up racist Germans look how exciting it is with the diversity you've got, cuisine from around the world to choose from and the trip home is twice exciting dodging the rapi,sts and murderers. Oh the tolerance
Your post illustrates the reason that statistics like these shouldnt be interpreted by those who have no statistical training.....fyi there are around 30,000 Tunisians in Germany. If the murder rate is 14/100,00.....well I will leave you to do the maths.
You don't really get per capita results do you?.
Anyhow I'm all in favour of transparency and statics, the more merrier, mental health murders by religion maybe?."On the contrary, I do understand per capita and it's you who are seeking to use spurious stats to support your own vacuous points | |||
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"Nothing personal but where are you from originally?. Oh, you are being absolutely as personal as it's possible to be. You really cannot work that out?. It was just question, if you don't want to answer just ignore." It's not "just a question". Everything you are saying on this thread is deeply personal. You are generalising about entire nationalities and religions with poorly applied statistics and then bizarrely claiming to not be racist. | |||
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"How many times do you think I could find both of you quoting statistics on a forum Search?. Let's say within 5 minutes. 30? 50?. Did either of you stop to think, wait a minute, these statics are showing a rise in hate crime since brexit but have I stopped to think of the socio economic impact crossed indexed against the young v old that really means remainers are just as likely to have committed the hate crime? And within a generation it will be comparable so why worry!. " I’ve never asked you to search for statistics. Simply that you can’t draw any conclusions until you do. I have never talked about a raise in hate crime. Good Strawman. I have a reason why there seems to be a difference in arrest rates at the marches due to a possible difference in attitudes from those who attend small marches (the hardcore) and those who only attend large marches. It is possible the pro brexit marches “look” worse as they are smaller. I don’t understand your generation point. | |||
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"These calculations are hilarious. You can't infer a likeliness rate from such a tiny sample Mr Magic Multiplier. " Ive tried to point out to him that using any statistical test of significance will show that what he's spouting is unalloyed bollocks.... | |||
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"Nothing personal but where are you from originally?. Oh, you are being absolutely as personal as it's possible to be. You really cannot work that out?. It was just question, if you don't want to answer just ignore. It's not "just a question". Everything you are saying on this thread is deeply personal. You are generalising about entire nationalities and religions with poorly applied statistics and then bizarrely claiming to not be racist." . It wasn't meant as deeply personal just like I'm sure when you said I was a typical white Englishmen and then through in Fred West on the next line?. Should we change the subject, I happened to notice a poll the other day, 54% of British born Muslims(been here a generation maybe two) think homosexuality should be criminalised whereas "other" (didn't infer I just presume EVERYBODY who wasn't a Muslim) was 5%. What do you think is the cause of this massive disparity between the two groups? | |||
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"Sponger Bob is 100% more likely than all algerians to get extremely creative with the stats. " . I'm just quoting the German crime statistics, the fed crime statistics are relatively similar, I'm all for better statistics, I'd like everything recorded and open for public viewing, alas the government and well you lot aren't as keen for reasons we'd disagree on. | |||
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"This type of scientific "not racist, just facts" racism has been done before. Some really murderous ideas were extracted from bad anthropology. It's not science it's scientism. Deja vu " . Ooooof murderous ideas! At least your not jumping to conclusions from one conversation | |||
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"Mind you, your a bit of a woman basher yourself?, I've read some of your posts, plenty of hatred for women's rights. Out of curiousity,What religion are you?" I support women's rights. I don't support modern feminism, there's a difference. Atheist/agnostic. You weren't quoting stats...you were doing this stupid multiplier inference trick. X is 200% more likely than Y to do Z....total nonsense. | |||
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"As a very biased white man, you must admit that the stats reflect who gets charged...ethnic groups may be stopped and picked up more or even scapegoated for the crimes of others. I was robbed in a foreign country and the cops had a book of emmigrant mugshots to pick from. Hardly fair or objective or just. " There is also the research than indicates that certain groups are more or less likely to be convicted on similar evidence than others. Young, poor black men? String them up! Rich, educated, good looking university students? They have such a bright future, don't ruin it for one mistake! Is this "a thing"? I think it is | |||
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"I would say to Bob that White Nationalism has zero chance of success in this country. Oswald Mosley was the one chance and he blew it on Cable Street. Now we have non white People who are six generations British, you can’t repatriate them. Mate, it’s gone way too far now, and cannot possibly be reversed. White People will be a minority in England in 20 - 40 years, there is nothing we can do about it. This implies that you think that Mosely had the right idea. Do you? Despite this you hate the Germans and the Nazis? Mosley would have allied us with Germany. How do you square that? More accusations, and utter bullshit as usual. I’m merely pointing out that the biggest nationalist movement we ever had in this country was Mosley’s Blackshirts, and they self destructed. I did not say I agreed with Mosley, nor did I say that I hate the Germans. No they are not accusations. They are a reaction to what you write. Have you not noticed that many posters on this forum seem to react to your posts on a consistent way. It isn't that they are "snowflake libtards" who hate you and everything you stand for. It might be because you are not writing what you mean. If you write: "Oswald Mosley was the one chance and he blew it on Cable Street" The implication is that he had an opportunity to institute a racially pure vision of England and he was unlucky not to make it happen. In the context of what you have written before that is not an unreasonable interpretation. If you want to keep immigrants out of the UK and write that you want to blow up their boats to teach everyone a lesson, that implies that you would be quite content to injure or kill them. That is quite different to wanting to hole their boats in shallow water with (I think mythical) ammunition that will slowly vent the air and make them unusable. Do you just really, really dislike Germans then? I'm afraid that really can't interpret you having this attitude to them as a consequence of the actions of some of them two generations ago. How do you judge us based on the bayonets, bullets and starvation that we took to the rest of the world in our Empire building? In general I'm open to the possibility that you are not an inherently nasty person, but the way that you express yourself in here makes you come across as someone very unpleasant. Purely because of writing style. If that sounds patronising then so be it but I am trying to be positive." Firstly, when I said “Oswald Mosley was the one chance.” I meant for white nationalism in the UK. I didn’t say that I would have supported him if I had been around at the time. As for not wanting any more immigrants in the UK, I meant that, over the last 50 years we have had more than enough. I would like to see some sort of action to stop them, but when I said we should fire on their boats, I meant to stop them not kill them, which might have been a little optimistic. I have quite a few German friends on the internet, and none of them like Merkel, it is her and her fellow German politicians I hate. I do however believe that there are politicians in Germany who still want what they attempted to gain in WW2, world domination. I’m not saying anywhere that I want the empire back, that is ludicrous, nobody will ever do that again, and that is not a bad thing. That is all I have to say on the matter. I’m no bloody Nazi. | |||
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"I would say to Bob that White Nationalism has zero chance of success in this country. Oswald Mosley was the one chance and he blew it on Cable Street. Now we have non white People who are six generations British, you can’t repatriate them. Mate, it’s gone way too far now, and cannot possibly be reversed. White People will be a minority in England in 20 - 40 years, there is nothing we can do about it. This implies that you think that Mosely had the right idea. Do you? Despite this you hate the Germans and the Nazis? Mosley would have allied us with Germany. How do you square that? More accusations, and utter bullshit as usual. I’m merely pointing out that the biggest nationalist movement we ever had in this country was Mosley’s Blackshirts, and they self destructed. I did not say I agreed with Mosley, nor did I say that I hate the Germans. No they are not accusations. They are a reaction to what you write. Have you not noticed that many posters on this forum seem to react to your posts on a consistent way. It isn't that they are "snowflake libtards" who hate you and everything you stand for. It might be because you are not writing what you mean. If you write: "Oswald Mosley was the one chance and he blew it on Cable Street" The implication is that he had an opportunity to institute a racially pure vision of England and he was unlucky not to make it happen. In the context of what you have written before that is not an unreasonable interpretation. If you want to keep immigrants out of the UK and write that you want to blow up their boats to teach everyone a lesson, that implies that you would be quite content to injure or kill them. That is quite different to wanting to hole their boats in shallow water with (I think mythical) ammunition that will slowly vent the air and make them unusable. Do you just really, really dislike Germans then? I'm afraid that really can't interpret you having this attitude to them as a consequence of the actions of some of them two generations ago. How do you judge us based on the bayonets, bullets and starvation that we took to the rest of the world in our Empire building? In general I'm open to the possibility that you are not an inherently nasty person, but the way that you express yourself in here makes you come across as someone very unpleasant. Purely because of writing style. If that sounds patronising then so be it but I am trying to be positive. Firstly, when I said “Oswald Mosley was the one chance.” I meant for white nationalism in the UK. I didn’t say that I would have supported him if I had been around at the time. As for not wanting any more immigrants in the UK, I meant that, over the last 50 years we have had more than enough. I would like to see some sort of action to stop them, but when I said we should fire on their boats, I meant to stop them not kill them, which might have been a little optimistic. I have quite a few German friends on the internet, and none of them like Merkel, it is her and her fellow German politicians I hate. I do however believe that there are politicians in Germany who still want what they attempted to gain in WW2, world domination. I’m not saying anywhere that I want the empire back, that is ludicrous, nobody will ever do that again, and that is not a bad thing. That is all I have to say on the matter. I’m no bloody Nazi." I still don't agree with you but it would be good if you wrote like this more. People listen rather than react
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"I would say to Bob that White Nationalism has zero chance of success in this country. Oswald Mosley was the one chance and he blew it on Cable Street. Now we have non white People who are six generations British, you can’t repatriate them. Mate, it’s gone way too far now, and cannot possibly be reversed. White People will be a minority in England in 20 - 40 years, there is nothing we can do about it. This implies that you think that Mosely had the right idea. Do you? Despite this you hate the Germans and the Nazis? Mosley would have allied us with Germany. How do you square that? More accusations, and utter bullshit as usual. I’m merely pointing out that the biggest nationalist movement we ever had in this country was Mosley’s Blackshirts, and they self destructed. I did not say I agreed with Mosley, nor did I say that I hate the Germans. No they are not accusations. They are a reaction to what you write. Have you not noticed that many posters on this forum seem to react to your posts on a consistent way. It isn't that they are "snowflake libtards" who hate you and everything you stand for. It might be because you are not writing what you mean. If you write: "Oswald Mosley was the one chance and he blew it on Cable Street" The implication is that he had an opportunity to institute a racially pure vision of England and he was unlucky not to make it happen. In the context of what you have written before that is not an unreasonable interpretation. If you want to keep immigrants out of the UK and write that you want to blow up their boats to teach everyone a lesson, that implies that you would be quite content to injure or kill them. That is quite different to wanting to hole their boats in shallow water with (I think mythical) ammunition that will slowly vent the air and make them unusable. Do you just really, really dislike Germans then? I'm afraid that really can't interpret you having this attitude to them as a consequence of the actions of some of them two generations ago. How do you judge us based on the bayonets, bullets and starvation that we took to the rest of the world in our Empire building? In general I'm open to the possibility that you are not an inherently nasty person, but the way that you express yourself in here makes you come across as someone very unpleasant. Purely because of writing style. If that sounds patronising then so be it but I am trying to be positive. Firstly, when I said “Oswald Mosley was the one chance.” I meant for white nationalism in the UK. I didn’t say that I would have supported him if I had been around at the time. As for not wanting any more immigrants in the UK, I meant that, over the last 50 years we have had more than enough. I would like to see some sort of action to stop them, but when I said we should fire on their boats, I meant to stop them not kill them, which might have been a little optimistic. I have quite a few German friends on the internet, and none of them like Merkel, it is her and her fellow German politicians I hate. I do however believe that there are politicians in Germany who still want what they attempted to gain in WW2, world domination. I’m not saying anywhere that I want the empire back, that is ludicrous, nobody will ever do that again, and that is not a bad thing. That is all I have to say on the matter. I’m no bloody Nazi." So your a German lover now? I am suprised- you slag the Germans at every opportunity! | |||
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"I would say to Bob that White Nationalism has zero chance of success in this country. Oswald Mosley was the one chance and he blew it on Cable Street. Now we have non white People who are six generations British, you can’t repatriate them. Mate, it’s gone way too far now, and cannot possibly be reversed. White People will be a minority in England in 20 - 40 years, there is nothing we can do about it. This implies that you think that Mosely had the right idea. Do you? Despite this you hate the Germans and the Nazis? Mosley would have allied us with Germany. How do you square that? More accusations, and utter bullshit as usual. I’m merely pointing out that the biggest nationalist movement we ever had in this country was Mosley’s Blackshirts, and they self destructed. I did not say I agreed with Mosley, nor did I say that I hate the Germans. No they are not accusations. They are a reaction to what you write. Have you not noticed that many posters on this forum seem to react to your posts on a consistent way. It isn't that they are "snowflake libtards" who hate you and everything you stand for. It might be because you are not writing what you mean. If you write: "Oswald Mosley was the one chance and he blew it on Cable Street" The implication is that he had an opportunity to institute a racially pure vision of England and he was unlucky not to make it happen. In the context of what you have written before that is not an unreasonable interpretation. If you want to keep immigrants out of the UK and write that you want to blow up their boats to teach everyone a lesson, that implies that you would be quite content to injure or kill them. That is quite different to wanting to hole their boats in shallow water with (I think mythical) ammunition that will slowly vent the air and make them unusable. Do you just really, really dislike Germans then? I'm afraid that really can't interpret you having this attitude to them as a consequence of the actions of some of them two generations ago. How do you judge us based on the bayonets, bullets and starvation that we took to the rest of the world in our Empire building? In general I'm open to the possibility that you are not an inherently nasty person, but the way that you express yourself in here makes you come across as someone very unpleasant. Purely because of writing style. If that sounds patronising then so be it but I am trying to be positive. Firstly, when I said “Oswald Mosley was the one chance.” I meant for white nationalism in the UK. I didn’t say that I would have supported him if I had been around at the time. As for not wanting any more immigrants in the UK, I meant that, over the last 50 years we have had more than enough. I would like to see some sort of action to stop them, but when I said we should fire on their boats, I meant to stop them not kill them, which might have been a little optimistic. I have quite a few German friends on the internet, and none of them like Merkel, it is her and her fellow German politicians I hate. I do however believe that there are politicians in Germany who still want what they attempted to gain in WW2, world domination. I’m not saying anywhere that I want the empire back, that is ludicrous, nobody will ever do that again, and that is not a bad thing. That is all I have to say on the matter. I’m no bloody Nazi. So your a German lover now? I am suprised- you slag the Germans at every opportunity!" I think he made his point to be fair. His referring to specific Germans. It is a bit of a conspiracy theory though. Who are they? What are they actually doing to gain world domination other than making sensible financial decisions, making long term investments and building good engineering products? As plots go it's kind of benign I'd say | |||
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"Nothing personal but where are you from originally?. Oh, you are being absolutely as personal as it's possible to be. You really cannot work that out?. It was just question, if you don't want to answer just ignore. It's not "just a question". Everything you are saying on this thread is deeply personal. You are generalising about entire nationalities and religions with poorly applied statistics and then bizarrely claiming to not be racist.. It wasn't meant as deeply personal just like I'm sure when you said I was a typical white Englishmen and then through in Fred West on the next line?. Should we change the subject, I happened to notice a poll the other day, 54% of British born Muslims(been here a generation maybe two) think homosexuality should be criminalised whereas "other" (didn't infer I just presume EVERYBODY who wasn't a Muslim) was 5%. What do you think is the cause of this massive disparity between the two groups?" Muslims are refelecting English beliefs from 50 years ago. Which given that was pre-EU possibly means it’s English beliefs before immigration kicked in. Of course I’m being facetious... but the fact homosexuality was illegal until 1967 yet you’re now using our “open mindedness” today as a stick to beat Muslims with shows how much a societies views can change in the space of such a short time. And so how difficult it is to nail Englishness. | |||
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"Nothing personal but where are you from originally?. Oh, you are being absolutely as personal as it's possible to be. You really cannot work that out?. It was just question, if you don't want to answer just ignore. It's not "just a question". Everything you are saying on this thread is deeply personal. You are generalising about entire nationalities and religions with poorly applied statistics and then bizarrely claiming to not be racist.. It wasn't meant as deeply personal just like I'm sure when you said I was a typical white Englishmen and then through in Fred West on the next line?. Should we change the subject, I happened to notice a poll the other day, 54% of British born Muslims(been here a generation maybe two) think homosexuality should be criminalised whereas "other" (didn't infer I just presume EVERYBODY who wasn't a Muslim) was 5%. What do you think is the cause of this massive disparity between the two groups? Muslims are refelecting English beliefs from 50 years ago. Which given that was pre-EU possibly means it’s English beliefs before immigration kicked in. Of course I’m being facetious... but the fact homosexuality was illegal until 1967 yet you’re now using our “open mindedness” today as a stick to beat Muslims with shows how much a societies views can change in the space of such a short time. And so how difficult it is to nail Englishness. " . Ha funny, anyhow the poll was British born Muslims, you know the ones born here 54% of which wanted homosexuality criminalised which was massively different to "other" which was only 5% given than both sections were born here and according to most on here were all the same at a basic level, how come the Muslim population didn't change with the "other" population?, could it be culture, identity and religion separates them?. Ps that was a very specific question on criminalisation when polled on if it was immoral it came back as 94% against 13%, I'll let you guess which one was which. | |||
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"The criminalisation of homosexuality is largely a British export. Of the countries today where it is a crime, more than half do so because it was put on the statute book by the British colonial rulers." . Well that would ring true as most of them didn't have any official government or law until colonialism. What's stopped them taking it off in the let's average it out at 80 years since then?. | |||
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"Nothing personal but where are you from originally?. Oh, you are being absolutely as personal as it's possible to be. You really cannot work that out?. It was just question, if you don't want to answer just ignore. It's not "just a question". Everything you are saying on this thread is deeply personal. You are generalising about entire nationalities and religions with poorly applied statistics and then bizarrely claiming to not be racist.. It wasn't meant as deeply personal just like I'm sure when you said I was a typical white Englishmen and then through in Fred West on the next line?. Should we change the subject, I happened to notice a poll the other day, 54% of British born Muslims(been here a generation maybe two) think homosexuality should be criminalised whereas "other" (didn't infer I just presume EVERYBODY who wasn't a Muslim) was 5%. What do you think is the cause of this massive disparity between the two groups? Muslims are refelecting English beliefs from 50 years ago. Which given that was pre-EU possibly means it’s English beliefs before immigration kicked in. Of course I’m being facetious... but the fact homosexuality was illegal until 1967 yet you’re now using our “open mindedness” today as a stick to beat Muslims with shows how much a societies views can change in the space of such a short time. And so how difficult it is to nail Englishness. . Ha funny, anyhow the poll was British born Muslims, you know the ones born here 54% of which wanted homosexuality criminalised which was massively different to "other" which was only 5% given than both sections were born here and according to most on here were all the same at a basic level, how come the Muslim population didn't change with the "other" population?, could it be culture, identity and religion separates them?. Ps that was a very specific question on criminalisation when polled on if it was immoral it came back as 94% against 13%, I'll let you guess which one was which." You’ve not answered my point. It seems you want proactive steps to preserve “englishness” and only want to accept non English people who will assimilate into our culture. You use the above example where a group of people aren’t “fitting in” to the the overall views of the uk. However views change over time. It wasn’t long ago that many held a similar view. (Indeed you might find if you question “Christians” of a certain age you’d find similar results. That’s a guess.) So how do you decide what is English culture in order to measure congruence of people/groups? And how would this has worked 50 years ago? Would we be accepting Muslims then... but not now? Before you answer, step away from specific races or issues. | |||
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"Nothing personal but where are you from originally?. Oh, you are being absolutely as personal as it's possible to be. You really cannot work that out?. It was just question, if you don't want to answer just ignore. It's not "just a question". Everything you are saying on this thread is deeply personal. You are generalising about entire nationalities and religions with poorly applied statistics and then bizarrely claiming to not be racist.. It wasn't meant as deeply personal just like I'm sure when you said I was a typical white Englishmen and then through in Fred West on the next line?. Should we change the subject, I happened to notice a poll the other day, 54% of British born Muslims(been here a generation maybe two) think homosexuality should be criminalised whereas "other" (didn't infer I just presume EVERYBODY who wasn't a Muslim) was 5%. What do you think is the cause of this massive disparity between the two groups? Muslims are refelecting English beliefs from 50 years ago. Which given that was pre-EU possibly means it’s English beliefs before immigration kicked in. Of course I’m being facetious... but the fact homosexuality was illegal until 1967 yet you’re now using our “open mindedness” today as a stick to beat Muslims with shows how much a societies views can change in the space of such a short time. And so how difficult it is to nail Englishness. . Ha funny, anyhow the poll was British born Muslims, you know the ones born here 54% of which wanted homosexuality criminalised which was massively different to "other" which was only 5% given than both sections were born here and according to most on here were all the same at a basic level, how come the Muslim population didn't change with the "other" population?, could it be culture, identity and religion separates them?. Ps that was a very specific question on criminalisation when polled on if it was immoral it came back as 94% against 13%, I'll let you guess which one was which. You’ve not answered my point. It seems you want proactive steps to preserve “englishness” and only want to accept non English people who will assimilate into our culture. You use the above example where a group of people aren’t “fitting in” to the the overall views of the uk. However views change over time. It wasn’t long ago that many held a similar view. (Indeed you might find if you question “Christians” of a certain age you’d find similar results. That’s a guess.) So how do you decide what is English culture in order to measure congruence of people/groups? And how would this has worked 50 years ago? Would we be accepting Muslims then... but not now? Before you answer, step away from specific races or issues. " . You can't seem to understand I'm talking about a poll from British born Muslims, that's not even about immigration, that's a section of society who's attitudes aren't changing as shown by the poll!. The only thing we agree on is yes your right, in your words, "I only want to accept non English people who will assimilate into English culture". | |||
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"Mind you, your a bit of a woman basher yourself?, I've read some of your posts, plenty of hatred for women's rights. Out of curiousity,What religion are you? I support women's rights. I don't support modern feminism, there's a difference. Atheist/agnostic. You weren't quoting stats...you were doing this stupid multiplier inference trick. X is 200% more likely than Y to do Z....total nonsense. " . Of course I'm being pedantic to the extreme but then that's what we get when we start with the silly words games where in a response to me you bring in such spurious notions as these are what cause murderous thoughts?. Yes like free thoughts can do all sorts of unmentionable horrors despite myself not mentioning one single thing that's a crime under UK law!. As you would say, thank goodness for an independent judiciary free from the tyranny of the masses | |||
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"Nothing personal but where are you from originally?. Oh, you are being absolutely as personal as it's possible to be. You really cannot work that out?. It was just question, if you don't want to answer just ignore. It's not "just a question". Everything you are saying on this thread is deeply personal. You are generalising about entire nationalities and religions with poorly applied statistics and then bizarrely claiming to not be racist.. It wasn't meant as deeply personal just like I'm sure when you said I was a typical white Englishmen and then through in Fred West on the next line?. Should we change the subject, I happened to notice a poll the other day, 54% of British born Muslims(been here a generation maybe two) think homosexuality should be criminalised whereas "other" (didn't infer I just presume EVERYBODY who wasn't a Muslim) was 5%. What do you think is the cause of this massive disparity between the two groups? Muslims are refelecting English beliefs from 50 years ago. Which given that was pre-EU possibly means it’s English beliefs before immigration kicked in. Of course I’m being facetious... but the fact homosexuality was illegal until 1967 yet you’re now using our “open mindedness” today as a stick to beat Muslims with shows how much a societies views can change in the space of such a short time. And so how difficult it is to nail Englishness. . Ha funny, anyhow the poll was British born Muslims, you know the ones born here 54% of which wanted homosexuality criminalised which was massively different to "other" which was only 5% given than both sections were born here and according to most on here were all the same at a basic level, how come the Muslim population didn't change with the "other" population?, could it be culture, identity and religion separates them?. Ps that was a very specific question on criminalisation when polled on if it was immoral it came back as 94% against 13%, I'll let you guess which one was which. You’ve not answered my point. It seems you want proactive steps to preserve “englishness” and only want to accept non English people who will assimilate into our culture. You use the above example where a group of people aren’t “fitting in” to the the overall views of the uk. However views change over time. It wasn’t long ago that many held a similar view. (Indeed you might find if you question “Christians” of a certain age you’d find similar results. That’s a guess.) So how do you decide what is English culture in order to measure congruence of people/groups? And how would this has worked 50 years ago? Would we be accepting Muslims then... but not now? Before you answer, step away from specific races or issues. . You can't seem to understand I'm talking about a poll from British born Muslims, that's not even about immigration, that's a section of society who's attitudes aren't changing as shown by the poll!. The only thing we agree on is yes your right, in your words, "I only want to accept non English people who will assimilate into English culture"." I understand where your poll came from and that these are british Muslims. But I’m using this to refute my one of questions on immigration we have a paradox.... you talk about fitting into English culture. Either the Muslims are british and therefore are a part of the culture(so fit in by default). Or you are using them as an example of disparity between what you see as british and a group of people not fitting in. In which case they are outsiders and we’re talking about immigration of some nature. But you raise a point which is key to all this. Attitudes change. So how do you measure what the current English attitude is? How do you measure if a new group or person to England meets this attitude and so will assimilate. And what happens if they fit today, but the british attitude changes, and theirs don’t? | |||
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"Nothing personal but where are you from originally?. Oh, you are being absolutely as personal as it's possible to be. You really cannot work that out?. It was just question, if you don't want to answer just ignore. It's not "just a question". Everything you are saying on this thread is deeply personal. You are generalising about entire nationalities and religions with poorly applied statistics and then bizarrely claiming to not be racist.. It wasn't meant as deeply personal just like I'm sure when you said I was a typical white Englishmen and then through in Fred West on the next line?. Should we change the subject, I happened to notice a poll the other day, 54% of British born Muslims(been here a generation maybe two) think homosexuality should be criminalised whereas "other" (didn't infer I just presume EVERYBODY who wasn't a Muslim) was 5%. What do you think is the cause of this massive disparity between the two groups?" It's an ICM survey of British Muslims, not British born Muslims. There is also an IPSOS MORI poll. The trend is very conservative amongst the older generation and progressively less so as age reduces or if their parents were born here, though higher than the general population. Muslims are significantly more devout and practise there religion. Practising Christians are also significantly more conservative on the subject of homosexuality than those who are not. This varies amongst Christian sect too. 35% of Conservative voters in the 2012 British Social Attitudes survey strongly disapproved of homosexuality compared to 22% of others. What might the attitude to homosexuality be amongst white supremacists? What does all this mean? Perhaps that you just see what you want to see without thinking too deeply? Surely not as you've given no indication of this attitude anywhere else | |||
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"The criminalisation of homosexuality is largely a British export. Of the countries today where it is a crime, more than half do so because it was put on the statute book by the British colonial rulers.. Well that would ring true as most of them didn't have any official government or law until colonialism. What's stopped them taking it off in the let's average it out at 80 years since then?." Culture. Christian dogma imposed a culture. Just as it did here. That culture still exists here, regardless of what the law now says. | |||
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"Being LGBT is a crime in 35 of the 53 countries that make up the Commonwealth. The head of state of these countries is Queen Elizabeth. Awkward. " . Yes I agree, its about time we dismantled the commonwealth, it belongs in a bygone age. I certainly don't wish to be in any commonwealth with say South Africa where political leaders say such things as "were not going to kill white people, just yet" while dancing around singing slit the throats of the Boer, or Pakistan or India or most of Africa. I mean that's awkward as well | |||
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"Mind you, your a bit of a woman basher yourself?, I've read some of your posts, plenty of hatred for women's rights. Out of curiousity,What religion are you? I support women's rights. I don't support modern feminism, there's a difference. Atheist/agnostic. You weren't quoting stats...you were doing this stupid multiplier inference trick. X is 200% more likely than Y to do Z....total nonsense. . Of course I'm being pedantic to the extreme but then that's what we get when we start with the silly words games where in a response to me you bring in such spurious notions as these are what cause murderous thoughts?. Yes like free thoughts can do all sorts of unmentionable horrors despite myself not mentioning one single thing that's a crime under UK law!. As you would say, thank goodness for an independent judiciary free from the tyranny of the masses "Are you nuts? So you call your twisted logic a spiteful bit of pedantry now. Look up about Carl Linnaeus and where his research led. The Europeanus....gentle, acute, inventive, covered with close vestments and governed by law The asiaticus....severe, haughty, greedy, covered with loose clothing and ruled by opinions The Africanist....females without shame, mammary glands give milk abundantly, crafty, sly, lazy, cunning, lustful, careless, anoints himself with grease and governed by caprice. Look how easy itself to convince yourself that a load of vainglorious bollox is science. This was cutting edge in the late 18th century. | |||
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"Being LGBT is a crime in 35 of the 53 countries that make up the Commonwealth. The head of state of these countries is Queen Elizabeth. Awkward. . Yes I agree, its about time we dismantled the commonwealth, it belongs in a bygone age. I certainly don't wish to be in any commonwealth with say South Africa where political leaders say such things as "were not going to kill white people, just yet" while dancing around singing slit the throats of the Boer, or Pakistan or India or most of Africa. I mean that's awkward as well" I can’t tell if I’m missing your point, you’re going for satire, or really are saying we shouldn’t be looking to trade with Africa and Asia.... If the last of these I’m hoping you voted remain... | |||
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"Being LGBT is a crime in 35 of the 53 countries that make up the Commonwealth. The head of state of these countries is Queen Elizabeth. Awkward. . Yes I agree, its about time we dismantled the commonwealth, it belongs in a bygone age. I certainly don't wish to be in any commonwealth with say South Africa where political leaders say such things as "were not going to kill white people, just yet" while dancing around singing slit the throats of the Boer, or Pakistan or India or most of Africa. I mean that's awkward as well I can’t tell if I’m missing your point, you’re going for satire, or really are saying we shouldn’t be looking to trade with Africa and Asia.... If the last of these I’m hoping you voted remain..." . What why?. I'm not even in favour of my own government let alone a further branch outside my own country. | |||
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"Mind you, your a bit of a woman basher yourself?, I've read some of your posts, plenty of hatred for women's rights. Out of curiousity,What religion are you? I support women's rights. I don't support modern feminism, there's a difference. Atheist/agnostic. You weren't quoting stats...you were doing this stupid multiplier inference trick. X is 200% more likely than Y to do Z....total nonsense. . Of course I'm being pedantic to the extreme but then that's what we get when we start with the silly words games where in a response to me you bring in such spurious notions as these are what cause murderous thoughts?. Yes like free thoughts can do all sorts of unmentionable horrors despite myself not mentioning one single thing that's a crime under UK law!. As you would say, thank goodness for an independent judiciary free from the tyranny of the masses
Are you nuts?
So you call your twisted logic a spiteful bit of pedantry now.
Look up about Carl Linnaeus and where his research led.
The Europeanus....gentle, acute, inventive, covered with close vestments and governed by law
The asiaticus....severe, haughty, greedy, covered with loose clothing and ruled by opinions
The Africanist....females without shame, mammary glands give milk abundantly, crafty, sly, lazy, cunning, lustful, careless, anoints himself with grease and governed by caprice.
Look how easy itself to convince yourself that a load of vainglorious bollox is science.
This was cutting edge in the late 18th century.
". Yes we've been through this, it's possible I am nuts, but then it's possible you myself and Irene are as well , or the man dressed as a woman, who's to say what's crazy or not?.
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"Being LGBT is a crime in 35 of the 53 countries that make up the Commonwealth. The head of state of these countries is Queen Elizabeth. Awkward. . Yes I agree, its about time we dismantled the commonwealth, it belongs in a bygone age. I certainly don't wish to be in any commonwealth with say South Africa where political leaders say such things as "were not going to kill white people, just yet" while dancing around singing slit the throats of the Boer, or Pakistan or India or most of Africa. I mean that's awkward as well I can’t tell if I’m missing your point, you’re going for satire, or really are saying we shouldn’t be looking to trade with Africa and Asia.... If the last of these I’m hoping you voted remain.... What why?. I'm not even in favour of my own government let alone a further branch outside my own country." Because a consequence of brexit is possibly more non Eu immigration and trade deals with India including possibly greater FoM. | |||
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