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"The question pre-supposes the UK would be welcome back so soon." Well someone's gotta top up the French pension scheme haven't they?! | |||
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"Revote on Euro would sensible .I wouldn't have a problem with using the Euro over sterling." As long as I can swap them for beer and food, I don’t care what you call them. | |||
"Revote on Euro would sensible .I wouldn't have a problem with using the Euro over sterling. As long as I can swap them for beer and food, I don’t care what you call them. " I agree .However I know some of our fellow brits view sterling patriotically and hold it in the same regard as the dollar. I think at sometime in the future we will see a single global currency and if you've got a good imagination a world without money..  | |||
"I’ve lived in countries that used the Euro and it was fine. I have no issue using a different currency. In general though, once were out, we will never be allowed back in with the veto we have now and some of our other privileges will be gone forever too. If this scenario happens the uk will be so poor and desperate they would impose all kind of shitty rules on us. Just look at how many countries have tried to join over the years. It’s an exclusive club and everyone wants in. Except us. " Can you name any rich countries that want in ? | |||
"I’ve lived in countries that used the Euro and it was fine. I have no issue using a different currency. In general though, once were out, we will never be allowed back in with the veto we have now and some of our other privileges will be gone forever too. If this scenario happens the uk will be so poor and desperate they would impose all kind of shitty rules on us. Just look at how many countries have tried to join over the years. It’s an exclusive club and everyone wants in. Except us. Can you name any rich countries that want in ?" Switzerland? | |||
"I’ve lived in countries that used the Euro and it was fine. I have no issue using a different currency. In general though, once were out, we will never be allowed back in with the veto we have now and some of our other privileges will be gone forever too. If this scenario happens the uk will be so poor and desperate they would impose all kind of shitty rules on us. Just look at how many countries have tried to join over the years. It’s an exclusive club and everyone wants in. Except us. Can you name any rich countries that want in ? Switzerland? " No, they have had several referendums on eu issues and those involving joining have been rejected by around 70/75% of voters | |||
"I’ve lived in countries that used the Euro and it was fine. I have no issue using a different currency. In general though, once were out, we will never be allowed back in with the veto we have now and some of our other privileges will be gone forever too. If this scenario happens the uk will be so poor and desperate they would impose all kind of shitty rules on us. Just look at how many countries have tried to join over the years. It’s an exclusive club and everyone wants in. Except us. Can you name any rich countries that want in ? But they have voted in regulatory alignment to make trade easy with the European and joined schengen Switzerland? No, they have had several referendums on eu issues and those involving joining have been rejected by around 70/75% of voters" | |||
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"No, they have had several referendums on eu issues and those involving joining have been rejected by around 70/75% of voters" True. But the Swiss are more than happy tp pay a full membership fee and have freedom of movement even if they don't get a vote just to have access to the club... I wonder what benefits the home of international banking sees in having unrestricted access to the biggest single market in the world? Did Nige and his leaver mates miss something?  | |||
"The question pre-supposes the UK would be welcome back so soon." And there's anyone left alive | |||
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"Yes since we have left we have moved forward and done very well ...the eu is in deepest shit and 3 countries have since voted to leave ...ps Prince Harry and Megan have split and she has had a large pay off ...told ya" This is as likely scenario as any other. It's questionable whether the EU will even exist in 2025. I think this year's European elections will come as a big shock to the Europhiles, with a majority of Eurosceptic MEP's being elected into the European Parliament. | |||
"Revote on Euro would sensible .I wouldn't have a problem with using the Euro over sterling." Metric money!? only the finest pounds shillings and pence in BREXIT Britain, fuck it lets reintroduce the gold standard and make rickets compulsory for under 5's too. | |||
"I’ve lived in countries that used the Euro and it was fine. I have no issue using a different currency. In general though, once were out, we will never be allowed back in with the veto we have now and some of our other privileges will be gone forever too. If this scenario happens the uk will be so poor and desperate they would impose all kind of shitty rules on us. Just look at how many countries have tried to join over the years. It’s an exclusive club and everyone wants in. Except us. Can you name any rich countries that want in ? Switzerland? No, they have had several referendums on eu issues and those involving joining have been rejected by around 70/75% of voters" But Switzerland is part of EFTA, the Single Market and Customs Union, which BREXITERS claim is being in the EU in all but name. The reality is is that ALL the rich countries in Europe are already in the EU or EFTA, and most of them, including currently us, are richer because of it. As for a rich country looking to possibly join the EU! I give you Canada. It has been speculated as early on as 2005 that Canada could—some say should—join the European Union. Proponents argue that the cultural and political values of Canadians and Europeans have much in common, and that Canadian membership would strengthen both sides politically and economically. While conceding that Canada and Europe are over 3,000 km (1,900 mi) distant, being separated by the North Atlantic, proponents note that the EU already has a member, Cyprus, that is geographically outside Europe. In addition, CETA is possibly the farthest-reaching FTA between the EU and a foreign country. Because of the nature of CETA, some have said that it wouldn't be that far of a leap to EU membership. The province of Quebec would help to strengthen the Francophone bloc in the EU, with Francophone nations such as France, Luxembourg and Belgium likely to support Canadian membership. EU membership may also help to curb separatist sentiments in Quebec. Canada could also bring an Anglophone/English-speaking bloc back to the EU post-Brexit. In addition, it may decrease Canadian dependence on the United States regarding trade and security. It would also easily meet the Copenhagen Criteria for EU membership. Additionally, the EU is Canada's second-largest trading partner, and with EU membership, it could become the largest. | |||
"No, they have had several referendums on eu issues and those involving joining have been rejected by around 70/75% of voters True. But the Swiss are more than happy tp pay a full membership fee and have freedom of movement even if they don't get a vote just to have access to the club... I wonder what benefits the home of international banking sees in having unrestricted access to the biggest single market in the world? Did Nige and his leaver mates miss something? "Haven't the Swiss got a referendum on ending free movement this year? | |||
"We left the EU in 2019. 2 years ago we had a referendum on rejoining the Eu. The question was simple. Should we stay outside the EU or rejoin. The Eu made no comment about the terms of rejoining. The stayers said it would mean joining the Euro and Shengen. The rejoiners said this was project fear mark 2 and we’d be on the old terms. The treasury said joining the euro would cost us 1% pa GBP. Project fear mark 2 was the cry. It was close. Rejoin won by a narrow margin. Many feel some rejoiners only voted because they were “promised” no euro would be possible. Since then it’s clear we’d only be accepted on standard EU terms. Yep, it’s the euro for us. Would it be right to rejoin for a few years, see how it goes? Or given we now know it involves the euro, should we get a chance to revote. " So you mean lessons will not have been learned from the 2016 referendum, such as; Not defining the referendum rules more clearly No defined plan to rejoin Not asking the EU what terms would be offered beforehand Not clearly laying out what our 'red lines' on rejoining would be. The campaigns to only deal with facts, and not 'fear' Not knowing what our financial obligations of membership would be. No defined clear majority being required (i.e. 60/40, or even 67/33, with a minimum turnout of, say, 65%) The rejoin referendum being the first of a two stage process, i.e. do we want to rejoin, and then a further rejoin or stay out referendum based on the 'deal' offered. To name but a few. But you're speaking hypothetically, of course, because the EU would not see us as rejoining, but merely joinimg...and the requirements of joining for new members are clearly laid out by the EU....with the exception of financial contributions. And very soon these rules will also include militery and defence obligations. So maybe your question should be based on the actual requirements of joining as a new member, and what that would entail, versus staying out, rather than, not even subtly, trying to get leavers to say there should now be a second brexit referendum. | |||
"The question pre-supposes the UK would be welcome back so soon. Well someone's gotta top up the French pension scheme haven't they?!" we would still be doing that through our rail fares weather we leave or not | |||
"We left the EU in 2019. 2 years ago we had a referendum on rejoining the Eu. The question was simple. Should we stay outside the EU or rejoin. The Eu made no comment about the terms of rejoining. The stayers said it would mean joining the Euro and Shengen. The rejoiners said this was project fear mark 2 and we’d be on the old terms. The treasury said joining the euro would cost us 1% pa GBP. Project fear mark 2 was the cry. It was close. Rejoin won by a narrow margin. Many feel some rejoiners only voted because they were “promised” no euro would be possible. Since then it’s clear we’d only be accepted on standard EU terms. Yep, it’s the euro for us. Would it be right to rejoin for a few years, see how it goes? Or given we now know it involves the euro, should we get a chance to revote. So you mean lessons will not have been learned from the 2016 referendum, such as; Not defining the referendum rules more clearly No defined plan to rejoin Not asking the EU what terms would be offered beforehand Not clearly laying out what our 'red lines' on rejoining would be. The campaigns to only deal with facts, and not 'fear' Not knowing what our financial obligations of membership would be. No defined clear majority being required (i.e. 60/40, or even 67/33, with a minimum turnout of, say, 65%) The rejoin referendum being the first of a two stage process, i.e. do we want to rejoin, and then a further rejoin or stay out referendum based on the 'deal' offered. To name but a few. But you're speaking hypothetically, of course, because the EU would not see us as rejoining, but merely joinimg...and the requirements of joining for new members are clearly laid out by the EU....with the exception of financial contributions. And very soon these rules will also include militery and defence obligations. So maybe your question should be based on the actual requirements of joining as a new member, and what that would entail, versus staying out, rather than, not even subtly, trying to get leavers to say there should now be a second brexit referendum. " It wasn’t meant to be a trick. Or subtle. But just get people (leavers and remainers) to see if their current view on democracy etc is because the current result is one they agree/disagree with or independent of their EU views. I would see a strong argument that for a revote in both instances. It is interesting to see your views on why the first vote was flawed (I agree with this). I therefore wonder how much weight we should give to a referendum so flawed and outcomes so ambiguous. Especially with a close result. | |||
"We left the EU in 2019. 2 years ago we had a referendum on rejoining the Eu. The question was simple. Should we stay outside the EU or rejoin. The Eu made no comment about the terms of rejoining. The stayers said it would mean joining the Euro and Shengen. The rejoiners said this was project fear mark 2 and we’d be on the old terms. The treasury said joining the euro would cost us 1% pa GBP. Project fear mark 2 was the cry. It was close. Rejoin won by a narrow margin. Many feel some rejoiners only voted because they were “promised” no euro would be possible. Since then it’s clear we’d only be accepted on standard EU terms. Yep, it’s the euro for us. Would it be right to rejoin for a few years, see how it goes? Or given we now know it involves the euro, should we get a chance to revote. So you mean lessons will not have been learned from the 2016 referendum, such as; Not defining the referendum rules more clearly No defined plan to rejoin Not asking the EU what terms would be offered beforehand Not clearly laying out what our 'red lines' on rejoining would be. The campaigns to only deal with facts, and not 'fear' Not knowing what our financial obligations of membership would be. No defined clear majority being required (i.e. 60/40, or even 67/33, with a minimum turnout of, say, 65%) The rejoin referendum being the first of a two stage process, i.e. do we want to rejoin, and then a further rejoin or stay out referendum based on the 'deal' offered. To name but a few. But you're speaking hypothetically, of course, because the EU would not see us as rejoining, but merely joinimg...and the requirements of joining for new members are clearly laid out by the EU....with the exception of financial contributions. And very soon these rules will also include militery and defence obligations. So maybe your question should be based on the actual requirements of joining as a new member, and what that would entail, versus staying out, rather than, not even subtly, trying to get leavers to say there should now be a second brexit referendum. It wasn’t meant to be a trick. Or subtle. But just get people (leavers and remainers) to see if their current view on democracy etc is because the current result is one they agree/disagree with or independent of their EU views. I would see a strong argument that for a revote in both instances. It is interesting to see your views on why the first vote was flawed (I agree with this). I therefore wonder how much weight we should give to a referendum so flawed and outcomes so ambiguous. Especially with a close result. " As much weight as the law that brought the referendum. But were lessons learned not put into practice for future referendums, including policies, information, and campaign conduct, then that would be an abject failure from our government, and truly show their contempt for the electorate (whichever side they are on). | |||
"We left the EU in 2019. 2 years ago we had a referendum on rejoining the Eu. The question was simple. Should we stay outside the EU or rejoin. The Eu made no comment about the terms of rejoining. The stayers said it would mean joining the Euro and Shengen. The rejoiners said this was project fear mark 2 and we’d be on the old terms. The treasury said joining the euro would cost us 1% pa GBP. Project fear mark 2 was the cry. It was close. Rejoin won by a narrow margin. Many feel some rejoiners only voted because they were “promised” no euro would be possible. Since then it’s clear we’d only be accepted on standard EU terms. Yep, it’s the euro for us. Would it be right to rejoin for a few years, see how it goes? Or given we now know it involves the euro, should we get a chance to revote. So you mean lessons will not have been learned from the 2016 referendum, such as; Not defining the referendum rules more clearly No defined plan to rejoin Not asking the EU what terms would be offered beforehand Not clearly laying out what our 'red lines' on rejoining would be. The campaigns to only deal with facts, and not 'fear' Not knowing what our financial obligations of membership would be. No defined clear majority being required (i.e. 60/40, or even 67/33, with a minimum turnout of, say, 65%) The rejoin referendum being the first of a two stage process, i.e. do we want to rejoin, and then a further rejoin or stay out referendum based on the 'deal' offered. To name but a few. But you're speaking hypothetically, of course, because the EU would not see us as rejoining, but merely joinimg...and the requirements of joining for new members are clearly laid out by the EU....with the exception of financial contributions. And very soon these rules will also include militery and defence obligations. So maybe your question should be based on the actual requirements of joining as a new member, and what that would entail, versus staying out, rather than, not even subtly, trying to get leavers to say there should now be a second brexit referendum. It wasn’t meant to be a trick. Or subtle. But just get people (leavers and remainers) to see if their current view on democracy etc is because the current result is one they agree/disagree with or independent of their EU views. I would see a strong argument that for a revote in both instances. It is interesting to see your views on why the first vote was flawed (I agree with this). I therefore wonder how much weight we should give to a referendum so flawed and outcomes so ambiguous. Especially with a close result. As much weight as the law that brought the referendum. But were lessons learned not put into practice for future referendums, including policies, information, and campaign conduct, then that would be an abject failure from our government, and truly show their contempt for the electorate (whichever side they are on)." Spot on - I never thought we'd ever agree on something - just goes to show how wrong  | |||
"We left the EU in 2019. 2 years ago we had a referendum on rejoining the Eu. The question was simple. Should we stay outside the EU or rejoin. The Eu made no comment about the terms of rejoining. The stayers said it would mean joining the Euro and Shengen. The rejoiners said this was project fear mark 2 and we’d be on the old terms. The treasury said joining the euro would cost us 1% pa GBP. Project fear mark 2 was the cry. It was close. Rejoin won by a narrow margin. Many feel some rejoiners only voted because they were “promised” no euro would be possible. Since then it’s clear we’d only be accepted on standard EU terms. Yep, it’s the euro for us. Would it be right to rejoin for a few years, see how it goes? Or given we now know it involves the euro, should we get a chance to revote. " No no no there will be no going back however it pans out | |||
"We left the EU in 2019. 2 years ago we had a referendum on rejoining the Eu. The question was simple. Should we stay outside the EU or rejoin. The Eu made no comment about the terms of rejoining. The stayers said it would mean joining the Euro and Shengen. The rejoiners said this was project fear mark 2 and we’d be on the old terms. The treasury said joining the euro would cost us 1% pa GBP. Project fear mark 2 was the cry. It was close. Rejoin won by a narrow margin. Many feel some rejoiners only voted because they were “promised” no euro would be possible. Since then it’s clear we’d only be accepted on standard EU terms. Yep, it’s the euro for us. Would it be right to rejoin for a few years, see how it goes? Or given we now know it involves the euro, should we get a chance to revote. So you mean lessons will not have been learned from the 2016 referendum, such as; Not defining the referendum rules more clearly No defined plan to rejoin Not asking the EU what terms would be offered beforehand Not clearly laying out what our 'red lines' on rejoining would be. The campaigns to only deal with facts, and not 'fear' Not knowing what our financial obligations of membership would be. No defined clear majority being required (i.e. 60/40, or even 67/33, with a minimum turnout of, say, 65%) The rejoin referendum being the first of a two stage process, i.e. do we want to rejoin, and then a further rejoin or stay out referendum based on the 'deal' offered. To name but a few. But you're speaking hypothetically, of course, because the EU would not see us as rejoining, but merely joinimg...and the requirements of joining for new members are clearly laid out by the EU....with the exception of financial contributions. And very soon these rules will also include militery and defence obligations. So maybe your question should be based on the actual requirements of joining as a new member, and what that would entail, versus staying out, rather than, not even subtly, trying to get leavers to say there should now be a second brexit referendum. It wasn’t meant to be a trick. Or subtle. But just get people (leavers and remainers) to see if their current view on democracy etc is because the current result is one they agree/disagree with or independent of their EU views. I would see a strong argument that for a revote in both instances. It is interesting to see your views on why the first vote was flawed (I agree with this). I therefore wonder how much weight we should give to a referendum so flawed and outcomes so ambiguous. Especially with a close result. As much weight as the law that brought the referendum. But were lessons learned not put into practice for future referendums, including policies, information, and campaign conduct, then that would be an abject failure from our government, and truly show their contempt for the electorate (whichever side they are on). Spot on - I never thought we'd ever agree on something - just goes to show how wrong "New year, new leaf, new age of friendship and understanding for all of us! | |||
"We left the EU in 2019. 2 years ago we had a referendum on rejoining the Eu. The question was simple. Should we stay outside the EU or rejoin. The Eu made no comment about the terms of rejoining. The stayers said it would mean joining the Euro and Shengen. The rejoiners said this was project fear mark 2 and we’d be on the old terms. The treasury said joining the euro would cost us 1% pa GBP. Project fear mark 2 was the cry. It was close. Rejoin won by a narrow margin. Many feel some rejoiners only voted because they were “promised” no euro would be possible. Since then it’s clear we’d only be accepted on standard EU terms. Yep, it’s the euro for us. Would it be right to rejoin for a few years, see how it goes? Or given we now know it involves the euro, should we get a chance to revote. No no no there will be no going back however it pans out" Yes, yes, yes. The sooner we join up as full members and dump all this nationalist crap the better | |||
"We left the EU in 2019. 2 years ago we had a referendum on rejoining the Eu. The question was simple. Should we stay outside the EU or rejoin. The Eu made no comment about the terms of rejoining. The stayers said it would mean joining the Euro and Shengen. The rejoiners said this was project fear mark 2 and we’d be on the old terms. The treasury said joining the euro would cost us 1% pa GBP. Project fear mark 2 was the cry. It was close. Rejoin won by a narrow margin. Many feel some rejoiners only voted because they were “promised” no euro would be possible. Since then it’s clear we’d only be accepted on standard EU terms. Yep, it’s the euro for us. Would it be right to rejoin for a few years, see how it goes? Or given we now know it involves the euro, should we get a chance to revote. No no no there will be no going back however it pans out Yes, yes, yes. The sooner we join up as full members and dump all this nationalist crap the better " Absolutely.Only when we are under one flag as one people will it end... | |||
"We left the EU in 2019. 2 years ago we had a referendum on rejoining the Eu. The question was simple. Should we stay outside the EU or rejoin. The Eu made no comment about the terms of rejoining. The stayers said it would mean joining the Euro and Shengen. The rejoiners said this was project fear mark 2 and we’d be on the old terms. The treasury said joining the euro would cost us 1% pa GBP. Project fear mark 2 was the cry. It was close. Rejoin won by a narrow margin. Many feel some rejoiners only voted because they were “promised” no euro would be possible. Since then it’s clear we’d only be accepted on standard EU terms. Yep, it’s the euro for us. Would it be right to rejoin for a few years, see how it goes? Or given we now know it involves the euro, should we get a chance to revote. No no no there will be no going back however it pans out Yes, yes, yes. The sooner we join up as full members and dump all this nationalist crap the better Absolutely.Only when we are under one flag as one people will it end... "Just add 'one leader' to that list and you've got the BREXITERS nightmare scenario. I don't want to be part of one people with one flag. I want to be able to celebrate our diversity and different cultures but work together with our friends and neighbors to find solutions to common problems we all face and improve the well-being of all for the good of all. | |||
"We left the EU in 2019. 2 years ago we had a referendum on rejoining the Eu. The question was simple. Should we stay outside the EU or rejoin. The Eu made no comment about the terms of rejoining. The stayers said it would mean joining the Euro and Shengen. The rejoiners said this was project fear mark 2 and we’d be on the old terms. The treasury said joining the euro would cost us 1% pa GBP. Project fear mark 2 was the cry. It was close. Rejoin won by a narrow margin. Many feel some rejoiners only voted because they were “promised” no euro would be possible. Since then it’s clear we’d only be accepted on standard EU terms. Yep, it’s the euro for us. Would it be right to rejoin for a few years, see how it goes? Or given we now know it involves the euro, should we get a chance to revote. No no no there will be no going back however it pans out Yes, yes, yes. The sooner we join up as full members and dump all this nationalist crap the better Absolutely.Only when we are under one flag as one people will it end...
Just add 'one leader' to that list and you've got the BREXITERS nightmare scenario.
I don't want to be part of one people with one flag. I want to be able to celebrate our diversity and different cultures but work together with our friends and neighbors to find solutions to common problems we all face and improve the well-being of all for the good of all.
"There will be a president of earth one day and we will be one people under one flag.A new world order is inevitable.The concept of nation state will be eroded in to economic trading blocks then eventually into global governance. | |||
"We left the EU in 2019. 2 years ago we had a referendum on rejoining the Eu. The question was simple. Should we stay outside the EU or rejoin. The Eu made no comment about the terms of rejoining. The stayers said it would mean joining the Euro and Shengen. The rejoiners said this was project fear mark 2 and we’d be on the old terms. The treasury said joining the euro would cost us 1% pa GBP. Project fear mark 2 was the cry. It was close. Rejoin won by a narrow margin. Many feel some rejoiners only voted because they were “promised” no euro would be possible. Since then it’s clear we’d only be accepted on standard EU terms. Yep, it’s the euro for us. Would it be right to rejoin for a few years, see how it goes? Or given we now know it involves the euro, should we get a chance to revote. No no no there will be no going back however it pans out Yes, yes, yes. The sooner we join up as full members and dump all this nationalist crap the better Absolutely.Only when we are under one flag as one people will it end...
Just add 'one leader' to that list and you've got the BREXITERS nightmare scenario.
I don't want to be part of one people with one flag. I want to be able to celebrate our diversity and different cultures but work together with our friends and neighbors to find solutions to common problems we all face and improve the well-being of all for the good of all.
There will be a president of earth one day and we will be one people under one flag.A new world order is inevitable.The concept of nation state will be eroded in to economic trading blocks then eventually into global governance."Yep, probably just after a genocide, or some kind of race war. Shouldn't be too hard then. | |||
"We left the EU in 2019. 2 years ago we had a referendum on rejoining the Eu. The question was simple. Should we stay outside the EU or rejoin. The Eu made no comment about the terms of rejoining. The stayers said it would mean joining the Euro and Shengen. The rejoiners said this was project fear mark 2 and we’d be on the old terms. The treasury said joining the euro would cost us 1% pa GBP. Project fear mark 2 was the cry. It was close. Rejoin won by a narrow margin. Many feel some rejoiners only voted because they were “promised” no euro would be possible. Since then it’s clear we’d only be accepted on standard EU terms. Yep, it’s the euro for us. Would it be right to rejoin for a few years, see how it goes? Or given we now know it involves the euro, should we get a chance to revote. No no no there will be no going back however it pans out Yes, yes, yes. The sooner we join up as full members and dump all this nationalist crap the better Absolutely.Only when we are under one flag as one people will it end...
Just add 'one leader' to that list and you've got the BREXITERS nightmare scenario.
I don't want to be part of one people with one flag. I want to be able to celebrate our diversity and different cultures but work together with our friends and neighbors to find solutions to common problems we all face and improve the well-being of all for the good of all.
There will be a president of earth one day and we will be one people under one flag.A new world order is inevitable.The concept of nation state will be eroded in to economic trading blocks then eventually into global governance.
Yep, probably just after a genocide, or some kind of race war. Shouldn't be too hard then."A complete and utter collapse of multiple ecosystems would be my guess..Endless growth on a finite planet will be sufficient.The wars will be over water and resources until we have global governance to manage all the planets resources for all not the few. | |||
"We left the EU in 2019. 2 years ago we had a referendum on rejoining the Eu. The question was simple. Should we stay outside the EU or rejoin. The Eu made no comment about the terms of rejoining. The stayers said it would mean joining the Euro and Shengen. The rejoiners said this was project fear mark 2 and we’d be on the old terms. The treasury said joining the euro would cost us 1% pa GBP. Project fear mark 2 was the cry. It was close. Rejoin won by a narrow margin. Many feel some rejoiners only voted because they were “promised” no euro would be possible. Since then it’s clear we’d only be accepted on standard EU terms. Yep, it’s the euro for us. Would it be right to rejoin for a few years, see how it goes? Or given we now know it involves the euro, should we get a chance to revote. No no no there will be no going back however it pans out Yes, yes, yes. The sooner we join up as full members and dump all this nationalist crap the better Absolutely.Only when we are under one flag as one people will it end...
Just add 'one leader' to that list and you've got the BREXITERS nightmare scenario.
I don't want to be part of one people with one flag. I want to be able to celebrate our diversity and different cultures but work together with our friends and neighbors to find solutions to common problems we all face and improve the well-being of all for the good of all.
"I think the concept of celebration of our diversity is flawed. I think we should celebrate that which we all have in common,because it's these things we have in common bind us as a people. Our differences are the things that separate us. | |||
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"We left the EU in 2019. 2 years ago we had a referendum on rejoining the Eu. The question was simple. Should we stay outside the EU or rejoin. The Eu made no comment about the terms of rejoining. The stayers said it would mean joining the Euro and Shengen. The rejoiners said this was project fear mark 2 and we’d be on the old terms. The treasury said joining the euro would cost us 1% pa GBP. Project fear mark 2 was the cry. It was close. Rejoin won by a narrow margin. Many feel some rejoiners only voted because they were “promised” no euro would be possible. Since then it’s clear we’d only be accepted on standard EU terms. Yep, it’s the euro for us. Would it be right to rejoin for a few years, see how it goes? Or given we now know it involves the euro, should we get a chance to revote. No no no there will be no going back however it pans out Yes, yes, yes. The sooner we join up as full members and dump all this nationalist crap the better Absolutely.Only when we are under one flag as one people will it end...
Just add 'one leader' to that list and you've got the BREXITERS nightmare scenario.
I don't want to be part of one people with one flag. I want to be able to celebrate our diversity and different cultures but work together with our friends and neighbors to find solutions to common problems we all face and improve the well-being of all for the good of all.
There will be a president of earth one day and we will be one people under one flag.A new world order is inevitable.The concept of nation state will be eroded in to economic trading blocks then eventually into global governance.
Yep, probably just after a genocide, or some kind of race war. Shouldn't be too hard then.
A complete and utter collapse of multiple ecosystems would be my guess..Endless growth on a finite planet will be sufficient.The wars will be over water and resources until we have global governance to manage all the planets resources for all not the few.
"Global governance or global Government? There's a big difference. | |||
"We left the EU in 2019. 2 years ago we had a referendum on rejoining the Eu. The question was simple. Should we stay outside the EU or rejoin. The Eu made no comment about the terms of rejoining. The stayers said it would mean joining the Euro and Shengen. The rejoiners said this was project fear mark 2 and we’d be on the old terms. The treasury said joining the euro would cost us 1% pa GBP. Project fear mark 2 was the cry. It was close. Rejoin won by a narrow margin. Many feel some rejoiners only voted because they were “promised” no euro would be possible. Since then it’s clear we’d only be accepted on standard EU terms. Yep, it’s the euro for us. Would it be right to rejoin for a few years, see how it goes? Or given we now know it involves the euro, should we get a chance to revote. No no no there will be no going back however it pans out Yes, yes, yes. The sooner we join up as full members and dump all this nationalist crap the better Absolutely.Only when we are under one flag as one people will it end...
Just add 'one leader' to that list and you've got the BREXITERS nightmare scenario.
I don't want to be part of one people with one flag. I want to be able to celebrate our diversity and different cultures but work together with our friends and neighbors to find solutions to common problems we all face and improve the well-being of all for the good of all.
I think the concept of celebration of our diversity is flawed.
I think we should celebrate that which we all have in common,because it's these things we have in common bind us as a people.
Our differences are the things that separate us. "It sounds to me like some sort of SyFi Borg collective. | |||
"We left the EU in 2019. 2 years ago we had a referendum on rejoining the Eu. The question was simple. Should we stay outside the EU or rejoin. The Eu made no comment about the terms of rejoining. The stayers said it would mean joining the Euro and Shengen. The rejoiners said this was project fear mark 2 and we’d be on the old terms. The treasury said joining the euro would cost us 1% pa GBP. Project fear mark 2 was the cry. It was close. Rejoin won by a narrow margin. Many feel some rejoiners only voted because they were “promised” no euro would be possible. Since then it’s clear we’d only be accepted on standard EU terms. Yep, it’s the euro for us. Would it be right to rejoin for a few years, see how it goes? Or given we now know it involves the euro, should we get a chance to revote. No no no there will be no going back however it pans out Yes, yes, yes. The sooner we join up as full members and dump all this nationalist crap the better Absolutely.Only when we are under one flag as one people will it end...
Just add 'one leader' to that list and you've got the BREXITERS nightmare scenario.
I don't want to be part of one people with one flag. I want to be able to celebrate our diversity and different cultures but work together with our friends and neighbors to find solutions to common problems we all face and improve the well-being of all for the good of all.
I think the concept of celebration of our diversity is flawed.
I think we should celebrate that which we all have in common,because it's these things we have in common bind us as a people.
Our differences are the things that separate us.
It sounds to me like some sort of SyFi Borg collective. "We are a collective and resistance is probably futile. It's a natural progression .If you look at history its the inevitable place we will end up. Our island was once dozens of tribes which became many kingdoms then many countries then a union and most recently the EU.The same has happened in most countries. Smart humans make friends and unify. | |||
"We left the EU in 2019. 2 years ago we had a referendum on rejoining the Eu. The question was simple. Should we stay outside the EU or rejoin. The Eu made no comment about the terms of rejoining. The stayers said it would mean joining the Euro and Shengen. The rejoiners said this was project fear mark 2 and we’d be on the old terms. The treasury said joining the euro would cost us 1% pa GBP. Project fear mark 2 was the cry. It was close. Rejoin won by a narrow margin. Many feel some rejoiners only voted because they were “promised” no euro would be possible. Since then it’s clear we’d only be accepted on standard EU terms. Yep, it’s the euro for us. Would it be right to rejoin for a few years, see how it goes? Or given we now know it involves the euro, should we get a chance to revote. No no no there will be no going back however it pans out Yes, yes, yes. The sooner we join up as full members and dump all this nationalist crap the better Absolutely.Only when we are under one flag as one people will it end...
Just add 'one leader' to that list and you've got the BREXITERS nightmare scenario.
I don't want to be part of one people with one flag. I want to be able to celebrate our diversity and different cultures but work together with our friends and neighbors to find solutions to common problems we all face and improve the well-being of all for the good of all.
I think the concept of celebration of our diversity is flawed.
I think we should celebrate that which we all have in common,because it's these things we have in common bind us as a people.
Our differences are the things that separate us.
It sounds to me like some sort of SyFi Borg collective.
We are a collective and resistance is probably futile.
It's a natural progression .If you look at history its the inevitable place we will end up.
Our island was once dozens of tribes which became many kingdoms then many countries then a union and most recently the EU. "If you're looking at history for examples then you'll see all empires fall. The EU is just the latest attempt at an empire that will also fail like all those before it. | |||
" Our island was once dozens of tribes which became many kingdoms then many countries then a union and most recently the EU.The same has happened in most countries. Smart humans make friends and unify. "Indeed. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, as well as having the longest name of any at the UN is also the most enduring model of political and monetary union. Those who shout loudest of how proud they are to be a part of it also seem to be the same ones who complain the loudest about political and monetary union in a European context. I really do not understand their contradiction. | |||
" Our island was once dozens of tribes which became many kingdoms then many countries then a union and most recently the EU.The same has happened in most countries. Smart humans make friends and unify.
Indeed.
The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, as well as having the longest name of any at the UN is also the most enduring model of political and monetary union.
Those who shout loudest of how proud they are to be a part of it also seem to be the same ones who complain the loudest about political and monetary union in a European context.
I really do not understand their contradiction.
"Unless you're talking about the SNP, then it's the other way around. 
They shout loudest of how proud they are to be part of a European Union, but also seem to be the same ones who complain the loudest about monetary and political union in a United Kingdom Context. | |||
" Indeed. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, as well as having the longest name of any at the UN is also the most enduring model of political and monetary union. Those who shout loudest of how proud they are to be a part of it also seem to be the same ones who complain the loudest about political and monetary union in a European context. I really do not understand their contradiction. Unless you're talking about the SNP, then it's the other way around.
They shout loudest of how proud they are to be part of a European Union, but also seem to be the same ones who complain the loudest about monetary and political union in a United Kingdom Context. "That's nationalism for you. Yours and theirs. | |||
" Indeed. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, as well as having the longest name of any at the UN is also the most enduring model of political and monetary union. Those who shout loudest of how proud they are to be a part of it also seem to be the same ones who complain the loudest about political and monetary union in a European context. I really do not understand their contradiction. Unless you're talking about the SNP, then it's the other way around.
They shout loudest of how proud they are to be part of a European Union, but also seem to be the same ones who complain the loudest about monetary and political union in a United Kingdom Context.
That's nationalism for you. Yours and theirs.
"Lol, why did you only portray it as anti EU, pro British thinking initially then? Your anti Brexit agenda laid bare. The truth is those who are pro EU, can be anti British or anti UK, and anti 'uniting people'. Just because you're pro EU it doesn't mean all Europhiles are of the same thinking across the board. | |||
" Lol, why did you only portray it as anti EU, pro British thinking initially then? Your anti Brexit agenda laid bare. The truth is those who are pro EU, can be anti British or anti UK, and anti 'uniting people'. Just because you're pro EU it doesn't mean all Europhiles are of the same thinking across the board. " eh? You see the European model as rotten and corrupt, and want out of it. They see the British model as rotten and corrupt, and want out of it. Anti-Brexit? You've only just noticed? 
People make progress when they take down barriers, not when they put them up.
Good luck trying to eat the flag.
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" Indeed. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, as well as having the longest name of any at the UN is also the most enduring model of political and monetary union. Those who shout loudest of how proud they are to be a part of it also seem to be the same ones who complain the loudest about political and monetary union in a European context. I really do not understand their contradiction. Unless you're talking about the SNP, then it's the other way around.
They shout loudest of how proud they are to be part of a European Union, but also seem to be the same ones who complain the loudest about monetary and political union in a United Kingdom Context.
That's nationalism for you. Yours and theirs.
Lol, why did you only portray it as anti EU, pro British thinking initially then?
Your anti Brexit agenda laid bare.
The truth is those who are pro EU, can be anti British or anti UK, and anti 'uniting people'. Just because you're pro EU it doesn't mean all Europhiles are of the same thinking across the board. "Most remainers are not pro-EU. We’re just not in favour of slicing out bollocks off to spite our cock. | |||
" Lol, why did you only portray it as anti EU, pro British thinking initially then? Your anti Brexit agenda laid bare. The truth is those who are pro EU, can be anti British or anti UK, and anti 'uniting people'. Just because you're pro EU it doesn't mean all Europhiles are of the same thinking across the board. eh? You see the European model as rotten and corrupt, and want out of it. They see the British model as rotten and corrupt, and want out of it. Anti-Brexit? You've only just noticed?
People make progress when they take down barriers, not when they put them up.
Good luck trying to eat the flag.
"You responded to Bobbangs post which talked about uniting people and uniting nations. Your reply tried to paint a picture as Brexit and Brexiteers being about dividing people while the EU and remainers were all about uniting people. Your premise is false. The SNP are remainers and pro EU but want to break up and divide the UK. As for eating the EU flag, no thanks. I'd much rather burn it (maybe wrapped around an effigy of Guy Fawkes on bonfire night) or use it as bog roll, it's about all its good for. | |||
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" Lol, why did you only portray it as anti EU, pro British thinking initially then? Your anti Brexit agenda laid bare. The truth is those who are pro EU, can be anti British or anti UK, and anti 'uniting people'. Just because you're pro EU it doesn't mean all Europhiles are of the same thinking across the board. eh? You see the European model as rotten and corrupt, and want out of it. They see the British model as rotten and corrupt, and want out of it. Anti-Brexit? You've only just noticed?
People make progress when they take down barriers, not when they put them up.
Good luck trying to eat the flag.
You responded to Bobbangs post which talked about uniting people and uniting nations. Your reply tried to paint a picture as Brexit and Brexiteers being about dividing people while the EU and remainers were all about uniting people. Your premise is false. The SNP are remainers and pro EU but want to break up and divide the UK.
As for eating the EU flag, no thanks. I'd much rather burn it (maybe wrapped around an effigy of Guy Fawkes on bonfire night) or use it as bog roll, it's about all its good for. "You not a Fawkes fan Centy? | |||
" You responded to Bobbangs post which talked about uniting people and uniting nations. Your reply tried to paint a picture as Brexit and Brexiteers being about dividing people while the EU and remainers were all about uniting people. Your premise is false. The SNP are remainers and pro EU but want to break up and divide the UK. " Er, no. I was highlighting the contradiction of the British nationalists who seem particularly proud of political and monetary union in a British context - and particularly resentful of it in a European context. Do pay attention. | |||
"By 2025 the UK will be trading with the rest of the world, including the commonwealth nations. There will by now be some deals with the EU, but they will be on our terms as much as theirs. The pound will have a huge revival, and we will be buying everything we need from trading partners old and new." This is the most stupid bullshit that's always trotted out as a positive BREXIT argument, we can trade with the world.....big fact check for you, we already can / do trade with the whole fucking world, you don't need BREXIT for that for fucks sake. | |||
"By 2025 the UK will be trading with the rest of the world, including the commonwealth nations. There will by now be some deals with the EU, but they will be on our terms as much as theirs. The pound will have a huge revival, and we will be buying everything we need from trading partners old and new. This is the most stupid bullshit that's always trotted out as a positive BREXIT argument, we can trade with the world.....big fact check for you, we already can / do trade with the whole fucking world, you don't need BREXIT for that for fucks sake." Yeah, but do we have blue passports? | |||
"By 2025 the UK will be trading with the rest of the world, including the commonwealth nations. There will by now be some deals with the EU, but they will be on our terms as much as theirs. The pound will have a huge revival, and we will be buying everything we need from trading partners old and new. This is the most stupid bullshit that's always trotted out as a positive BREXIT argument, we can trade with the world.....big fact check for you, we already can / do trade with the whole fucking world, you don't need BREXIT for that for fucks sake. Yeah, but do we have blue passports? " Now if that was their main argument for BREXIT then it would be true 
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" Lol, why did you only portray it as anti EU, pro British thinking initially then? Your anti Brexit agenda laid bare. The truth is those who are pro EU, can be anti British or anti UK, and anti 'uniting people'. Just because you're pro EU it doesn't mean all Europhiles are of the same thinking across the board. eh? You see the European model as rotten and corrupt, and want out of it. They see the British model as rotten and corrupt, and want out of it. Anti-Brexit? You've only just noticed?
People make progress when they take down barriers, not when they put them up.
Good luck trying to eat the flag.
You responded to Bobbangs post which talked about uniting people and uniting nations. Your reply tried to paint a picture as Brexit and Brexiteers being about dividing people while the EU and remainers were all about uniting people. Your premise is false. The SNP are remainers and pro EU but want to break up and divide the UK.
As for eating the EU flag, no thanks. I'd much rather burn it (maybe wrapped around an effigy of Guy Fawkes on bonfire night) or use it as bog roll, it's about all its good for. "You'll probably want to eat your nice new (made in France) blue passport to when you get it and realise that the 'blue' is far closer to the European Council's 'blue' than the 'Dark Navy Blur' of the original British passport. And guess what? It's going to have nice gold writing on it too. Wouldn't be surprised if it has "CE-Made in EU" printed on the back. The irony of it beggers belief. | |||
" Lol, why did you only portray it as anti EU, pro British thinking initially then? Your anti Brexit agenda laid bare. The truth is those who are pro EU, can be anti British or anti UK, and anti 'uniting people'. Just because you're pro EU it doesn't mean all Europhiles are of the same thinking across the board. eh? You see the European model as rotten and corrupt, and want out of it. They see the British model as rotten and corrupt, and want out of it. Anti-Brexit? You've only just noticed?
People make progress when they take down barriers, not when they put them up.
Good luck trying to eat the flag.
You responded to Bobbangs post which talked about uniting people and uniting nations. Your reply tried to paint a picture as Brexit and Brexiteers being about dividing people while the EU and remainers were all about uniting people. Your premise is false. The SNP are remainers and pro EU but want to break up and divide the UK.
As for eating the EU flag, no thanks. I'd much rather burn it (maybe wrapped around an effigy of Guy Fawkes on bonfire night) or use it as bog roll, it's about all its good for.
You'll probably want to eat your nice new (made in France) blue passport to when you get it and realise that the 'blue' is far closer to the European Council's 'blue' than the 'Dark Navy Blur' of the original British passport. And guess what? It's going to have nice gold writing on it too. Wouldn't be surprised if it has "CE-Made in EU" printed on the back.
The irony of it beggers belief.
"It won't have 'European community' or 'European Union' written on the front anymore though.
As for the colour it could be bright pink with yellow spots on it for all I care, as long as the UK is no longer in the EU is all that matters.
As for where it's made I don't see why that would be printed on the back? Just checked my current passport and it doesn't say where it's made anywhere on it. | |||
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"Remainers really think the colour of our passport matters to leavers? "Only small minded remainers think that! | |||
"Remainers really think the colour of our passport matters to leavers? "Tbh not really but how do you feel that it's being made in France, hardly the best indicator of us being great again.. Or doesn't it matter that its made abroad in the EU..? | |||
"Remainers really think the colour of our passport matters to leavers? "I mean the hero of the Leave campaign Farage made a huge deal out of it. Aside from different coloured passports, what else is there to look forward to? I always thought they should allow remain voters to keep out maroon passports and our freedom of movement around Europe. | |||
"Remainers really think the colour of our passport matters to leavers?
Tbh not really but how do you feel that it's being made in France, hardly the best indicator of us being great again..
Or doesn't it matter that its made abroad in the EU..? "It surprises me that remainers feel so bitter about it. A few remoaners here have clearly got a bee in their bonnets about the new blue passports. If they are made in France then to me it sends a message that the uk is still open for business, and is a much better message to send than Sadiq Khan's poxy new years eve fireworks display in London. | |||
"Remainers really think the colour of our passport matters to leavers?
Tbh not really but how do you feel that it's being made in France, hardly the best indicator of us being great again..
Or doesn't it matter that its made abroad in the EU..?
It surprises me that remainers feel so bitter about it. A few remoaners here have clearly got a bee in their bonnets about the new blue passports. If they are made in France then to me it sends a message that the uk is still open for business, and is a much better message to send than Sadiq Khan's poxy new years eve fireworks display in London. "Strange attitude to adopt given you have gone on about taking back control plenty of times, that these jobs as with foreign governments and infrastructure providers making profit from what should be fundamentally kept in house is something I would have thought you would be in favour of? | |||
" poxy new years eve fireworks display in London. " Talking down your own Countries national New Year's Eve fireworks display.....you should be ashamed | |||
"Remainers really think the colour of our passport matters to leavers? "We know it's the colour of your fellow mans skin that really matters to brexiters .Its about the colour of the people who hold a British passport not the colour of the passport... | |||
"Remainers really think the colour of our passport matters to leavers?
We know it's the colour of your fellow mans skin that really matters to brexiters .Its about the colour of the people who hold a British passport not the colour of the passport...
"Of course, because those nasty racists are hiding behind every bushel and under every bed. Of course... | |||
"Remainers really think the colour of our passport matters to leavers?
We know it's the colour of your fellow mans skin that really matters to brexiters .Its about the colour of the people who hold a British passport not the colour of the passport...
Of course, because those nasty racists are hiding behind every bushel and under every bed. Of course..."Yes, and because, as every remainer knows, by far the vast majority of people from the EU aren't white......oh, wait a minute..... | |||
"By 2025 the UK will be trading with the rest of the world, including the commonwealth nations. There will by now be some deals with the EU, but they will be on our terms as much as theirs. The pound will have a huge revival, and we will be buying everything we need from trading partners old and new. This is the most stupid bullshit that's always trotted out as a positive BREXIT argument, we can trade with the world.....big fact check for you, we already can / do trade with the whole fucking world, you don't need BREXIT for that for fucks sake." Still wondering Peacehaven how after BREXIT in 2025 trading with the whole world will be different from trading with the whole world as we do now ? | |||
"By 2025 the UK will be trading with the rest of the world, including the commonwealth nations. There will by now be some deals with the EU, but they will be on our terms as much as theirs. The pound will have a huge revival, and we will be buying everything we need from trading partners old and new. This is the most stupid bullshit that's always trotted out as a positive BREXIT argument, we can trade with the world.....big fact check for you, we already can / do trade with the whole fucking world, you don't need BREXIT for that for fucks sake. Still wondering Peacehaven how after BREXIT in 2025 trading with the whole world will be different from trading with the whole world as we do now ?" No. | |||
"By 2025 the UK will be trading with the rest of the world, including the commonwealth nations. There will by now be some deals with the EU, but they will be on our terms as much as theirs. The pound will have a huge revival, and we will be buying everything we need from trading partners old and new. This is the most stupid bullshit that's always trotted out as a positive BREXIT argument, we can trade with the world.....big fact check for you, we already can / do trade with the whole fucking world, you don't need BREXIT for that for fucks sake. Still wondering Peacehaven how after BREXIT in 2025 trading with the whole world will be different from trading with the whole world as we do now ? No." So no difference, didn't think so | |||
