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By *oi_Lucy OP Couple
over a year ago
Barbados |
So as we saw the other day, the govt has allocated £108M for additional ferry services to help deal with the clusterfuck that will happen end of March....
...now it turns out, one of the companies they awarded money to, Seabourne Freight doesn't even have any ferries and has never run a ferry service before. And only been operating for a couple of months so far.
DFT has said: "As with all contracts, we carefully vetted the company's commercial, technical and financial position in detail before making the award," it added.
To which local Tory councillor Paul Messenger said: "It has no ships and no trading history so how can due diligence be done?" and "Why choose a company that never moved a single truck in their entire history and give them £14m? I don't understand the logic of that"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46714984
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over a year ago
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"So as we saw the other day, the govt has allocated £108M for additional ferry services to help deal with the clusterfuck that will happen end of March....
...now it turns out, one of the companies they awarded money to, Seabourne Freight doesn't even have any ferries and has never run a ferry service before. And only been operating for a couple of months so far.
DFT has said: "As with all contracts, we carefully vetted the company's commercial, technical and financial position in detail before making the award," it added.
To which local Tory councillor Paul Messenger said: "It has no ships and no trading history so how can due diligence be done?" and "Why choose a company that never moved a single truck in their entire history and give them £14m? I don't understand the logic of that"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46714984
Well done HMG.
-Matt"
Best thing is Centy voted for this lot! |
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"So as we saw the other day, the govt has allocated £108M for additional ferry services to help deal with the clusterfuck that will happen end of March....
...now it turns out, one of the companies they awarded money to, Seabourne Freight doesn't even have any ferries and has never run a ferry service before. And only been operating for a couple of months so far.
DFT has said: "As with all contracts, we carefully vetted the company's commercial, technical and financial position in detail before making the award," it added.
To which local Tory councillor Paul Messenger said: "It has no ships and no trading history so how can due diligence be done?" and "Why choose a company that never moved a single truck in their entire history and give them £14m? I don't understand the logic of that"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46714984
Well done HMG.
-Matt"
And this is the same government that people actually believe will be OK if a no deal happens.. |
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"So as we saw the other day, the govt has allocated £108M for additional ferry services to help deal with the clusterfuck that will happen end of March....
...now it turns out, one of the companies they awarded money to, Seabourne Freight doesn't even have any ferries and has never run a ferry service before. And only been operating for a couple of months so far.
DFT has said: "As with all contracts, we carefully vetted the company's commercial, technical and financial position in detail before making the award," it added.
To which local Tory councillor Paul Messenger said: "It has no ships and no trading history so how can due diligence be done?" and "Why choose a company that never moved a single truck in their entire history and give them £14m? I don't understand the logic of that"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46714984
Well done HMG.
-Matt
And this is the same government that people actually believe will be OK if a no deal happens.. "
True that the tories still have a lead over Labour in the polls. What does this tell you about the labour party? |
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"So as we saw the other day, the govt has allocated £108M for additional ferry services to help deal with the clusterfuck that will happen end of March....
...now it turns out, one of the companies they awarded money to, Seabourne Freight doesn't even have any ferries and has never run a ferry service before. And only been operating for a couple of months so far.
DFT has said: "As with all contracts, we carefully vetted the company's commercial, technical and financial position in detail before making the award," it added.
To which local Tory councillor Paul Messenger said: "It has no ships and no trading history so how can due diligence be done?" and "Why choose a company that never moved a single truck in their entire history and give them £14m? I don't understand the logic of that"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46714984
Well done HMG.
-Matt
And this is the same government that people actually believe will be OK if a no deal happens..
True that the tories still have a lead over Labour in the polls. What does this tell you about the labour party? "
As ever you are unable to grasp the reality of the story and try to twist and divert.. 
Thought you had flip flopped again back to your beloved kippers?
Or is that on Tuesday, Fridays and Saturdays..  |
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Next things I'd not be too surprised to hear - it donates to the conservatives or has some of them as directors, plus the cash is paid up front and even if the boats aren't needed
If the government doesn't vote and accept the deal, it should immediately cancel Article 50, so the country doesn't need to leave in chaos or without planning time |
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By *oi_Lucy OP Couple
over a year ago
Barbados |
"So as we saw the other day, the govt has allocated £108M for additional ferry services to help deal with the clusterfuck that will happen end of March....
...now it turns out, one of the companies they awarded money to, Seabourne Freight doesn't even have any ferries and has never run a ferry service before. And only been operating for a couple of months so far.
DFT has said: "As with all contracts, we carefully vetted the company's commercial, technical and financial position in detail before making the award," it added.
To which local Tory councillor Paul Messenger said: "It has no ships and no trading history so how can due diligence be done?" and "Why choose a company that never moved a single truck in their entire history and give them £14m? I don't understand the logic of that"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46714984
Well done HMG.
-Matt
And this is the same government that people actually believe will be OK if a no deal happens..
True that the tories still have a lead over Labour in the polls. What does this tell you about the labour party? "
That people think that the Tories have got us into this mess, they can damn well see it through. No fucking off and pretending it was nothing to do with them.
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By *oi_Lucy OP Couple
over a year ago
Barbados |
Have to say thought, fair play to them, looks like Seabourne had the right idea setting up a new freight service avoiding the usual hotspots:
https://translogistics.uk/2018/05/new-english-channel-ferry-service-hopes-to-benefit-from-brexit-boost/
So maybe they are a bit of a gamble as an unknown, but if they manage to pull it off then they could do very well out of it.
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
They've been trying to get the Ramsgate to Ostende service restarted for a couple of years now.
There are plenty of ferries that can be chartered/leased but Ramsgate is a very small port and will need dredging out before services can recommence.
The bulk of the contracts have gone to ferry companies owned by the French and the Danes! |
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over a year ago
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"They've been trying to get the Ramsgate to Ostende service restarted for a couple of years now.
There are plenty of ferries that can be chartered/leased but Ramsgate is a very small port and will need dredging out before services can recommence.
The bulk of the contracts have gone to ferry companies owned by the French and the Danes!"
Get the impression there wasn’t a lot of tenders ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So as we saw the other day, the govt has allocated £108M for additional ferry services to help deal with the clusterfuck that will happen end of March....
...now it turns out, one of the companies they awarded money to, Seabourne Freight doesn't even have any ferries and has never run a ferry service before. And only been operating for a couple of months so far.
DFT has said: "As with all contracts, we carefully vetted the company's commercial, technical and financial position in detail before making the award," it added.
To which local Tory councillor Paul Messenger said: "It has no ships and no trading history so how can due diligence be done?" and "Why choose a company that never moved a single truck in their entire history and give them £14m? I don't understand the logic of that"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46714984
Well done HMG.
-Matt
And this is the same government that people actually believe will be OK if a no deal happens..
True that the tories still have a lead over Labour in the polls. What does this tell you about the labour party? "
Your ability to miss the point and misunderstand the argument is outstanding. Never ceases to amaze me. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It'll probably have a load of inflatables and when it gets over half way across hope that the french border patrol will pick it up and take them safely to the local harbour |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"So as we saw the other day, the govt has allocated £108M for additional ferry services to help deal with the clusterfuck that will happen end of March....
...now it turns out, one of the companies they awarded money to, Seabourne Freight doesn't even have any ferries and has never run a ferry service before. And only been operating for a couple of months so far.
DFT has said: "As with all contracts, we carefully vetted the company's commercial, technical and financial position in detail before making the award," it added.
To which local Tory councillor Paul Messenger said: "It has no ships and no trading history so how can due diligence be done?" and "Why choose a company that never moved a single truck in their entire history and give them £14m? I don't understand the logic of that"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46714984
Well done HMG.
-Matt"
Don't panic, Captain Manwaring!
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By *oi_Lucy OP Couple
over a year ago
Barbados |
OK... so I'm betting this must be a sheer co-incidence....
Seabourne's office is registered at Third Floor, 59 Mansell Street, London, England, E1 8AN which happens to also be the address of a Maritime Law firm Campbell Johnson Clark whose Director is called Mark Bamford.
Bamford.... Bamford.... where have I heard that name before?
Ohhhhh yes, Centy's favourite company JCB, whose owner Anthony Bamford is a Tory peer and one of their largest donors.
Must be co-incidence of course.
-Matt |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
upton wirral |
Out of date have you heard the news tonight,the idiots have given 14 million to a company that only exist on paper with assets of £66 and does not have a single ship and is going to sale from a port that needs to be rebuilt by 29/3.All out of this £14 mil,unbelievable.
The other contracts have gone to EU companies it stinks.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"OK... so I'm betting this must be a sheer co-incidence....
Seabourne's office is registered at Third Floor, 59 Mansell Street, London, England, E1 8AN which happens to also be the address of a Maritime Law firm Campbell Johnson Clark whose Director is called Mark Bamford.
Bamford.... Bamford.... where have I heard that name before?
Ohhhhh yes, Centy's favourite company JCB, whose owner Anthony Bamford is a Tory peer and one of their largest donors.
Must be co-incidence of course.
-Matt"
My guess is coincidence.... it’s a different Mark than the JCB director. |
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By *oi_Lucy OP Couple
over a year ago
Barbados |
"Out of date have you heard the news tonight,the idiots have given 14 million to a company that only exist on paper with assets of £66 and does not have a single ship and is going to sale from a port that needs to be rebuilt by 29/3.All out of this £14 mil,unbelievable.
The other contracts have gone to EU companies it stinks.
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Ummm.... Specsavers?
-Matt |
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By *oi_Lucy OP Couple
over a year ago
Barbados |
"OK... so I'm betting this must be a sheer co-incidence....
Seabourne's office is registered at Third Floor, 59 Mansell Street, London, England, E1 8AN which happens to also be the address of a Maritime Law firm Campbell Johnson Clark whose Director is called Mark Bamford.
Bamford.... Bamford.... where have I heard that name before?
Ohhhhh yes, Centy's favourite company JCB, whose owner Anthony Bamford is a Tory peer and one of their largest donors.
Must be co-incidence of course.
-Matt
My guess is coincidence.... it’s a different Mark than the JCB director. "
Oh well. Someone else must have their snout in the tough somewhere for this contract to have been awarded.
-Matt |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So as we saw the other day, the govt has allocated £108M for additional ferry services to help deal with the clusterfuck that will happen end of March....
...now it turns out, one of the companies they awarded money to, Seabourne Freight doesn't even have any ferries and has never run a ferry service before. And only been operating for a couple of months so far.
DFT has said: "As with all contracts, we carefully vetted the company's commercial, technical and financial position in detail before making the award," it added.
To which local Tory councillor Paul Messenger said: "It has no ships and no trading history so how can due diligence be done?" and "Why choose a company that never moved a single truck in their entire history and give them £14m? I don't understand the logic of that"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46714984
Well done HMG.
-Matt
And this is the same government that people actually believe will be OK if a no deal happens..
True that the tories still have a lead over Labour in the polls. What does this tell you about the labour party? "
I’ve no doubt that you are probably correct, but a cock up is a cock up. Still with this countries fptp election system, the LibLabCon can continue to fuck things up and then point fingers at each other, nothing will change. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Out of date have you heard the news tonight,the idiots have given 14 million to a company that only exist on paper with assets of £66 and does not have a single ship and is going to sale from a port that needs to be rebuilt by 29/3.All out of this £14 mil,unbelievable.
The other contracts have gone to EU companies it stinks.
Ummm.... Specsavers?
-Matt"
Lol, I couldn't believe that post either |
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"So as we saw the other day, the govt has allocated £108M for additional ferry services to help deal with the clusterfuck that will happen end of March....
...now it turns out, one of the companies they awarded money to, Seabourne Freight doesn't even have any ferries and has never run a ferry service before. And only been operating for a couple of months so far.
DFT has said: "As with all contracts, we carefully vetted the company's commercial, technical and financial position in detail before making the award," it added.
To which local Tory councillor Paul Messenger said: "It has no ships and no trading history so how can due diligence be done?" and "Why choose a company that never moved a single truck in their entire history and give them £14m? I don't understand the logic of that"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46714984
Well done HMG.
-Matt
And this is the same government that people actually believe will be OK if a no deal happens..
True that the tories still have a lead over Labour in the polls. What does this tell you about the labour party?
I’ve no doubt that you are probably correct, but a cock up is a cock up. Still with this countries fptp election system, the LibLabCon can continue to fuck things up and then point fingers at each other, nothing will change."
No everything will change. You’re missing the point of Brexit, they are removing the red tape imposed on them by the EU so they can award more contracts like this to their mates. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So as we saw the other day, the govt has allocated £108M for additional ferry services to help deal with the clusterfuck that will happen end of March....
...now it turns out, one of the companies they awarded money to, Seabourne Freight doesn't even have any ferries and has never run a ferry service before. And only been operating for a couple of months so far.
DFT has said: "As with all contracts, we carefully vetted the company's commercial, technical and financial position in detail before making the award," it added.
To which local Tory councillor Paul Messenger said: "It has no ships and no trading history so how can due diligence be done?" and "Why choose a company that never moved a single truck in their entire history and give them £14m? I don't understand the logic of that"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46714984
Well done HMG.
-Matt
And this is the same government that people actually believe will be OK if a no deal happens..
True that the tories still have a lead over Labour in the polls. What does this tell you about the labour party?
I’ve no doubt that you are probably correct, but a cock up is a cock up. Still with this countries fptp election system, the LibLabCon can continue to fuck things up and then point fingers at each other, nothing will change.
No everything will change. You’re missing the point of Brexit, they are removing the red tape imposed on them by the EU so they can award more contracts like this to their mates."
Are you saying that all the bureaucracy and red tape are a good thing? That they are in place to protect us from the politicians? That is one strange way of looking at things. Mind you I never will understand remainers, especially those who probably gained nothing materialy from our EU membership. |
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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago
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"They've been trying to get the Ramsgate to Ostende service restarted for a couple of years now.
There are plenty of ferries that can be chartered/leased but Ramsgate is a very small port and will need dredging out before services can recommence.
The bulk of the contracts have gone to ferry companies owned by the French and the Danes!
Get the impression there wasn’t a lot of tenders ?"
There wasn't a tender process. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
The is naughty of the government for a few reasons
1) sneaking out this document during the holidays
2) they say they were not aware of any problems... well Kent county council were at the Conservative party conference and they are saying they had a stand there telling people of this exact issue
That would be conservative run Kent county council
3) the obvious giving a contact to people with no boat and no shipping experience
4) if you look at the Danes... dfds have actual demanded to be paid in euros... smart of them! |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"OK... so I'm betting this must be a sheer co-incidence....
Seabourne's office is registered at Third Floor, 59 Mansell Street, London, England, E1 8AN which happens to also be the address of a Maritime Law firm Campbell Johnson Clark whose Director is called Mark Bamford.
Bamford.... Bamford.... where have I heard that name before?
Ohhhhh yes, Centy's favourite company JCB, whose owner Anthony Bamford is a Tory peer and one of their largest donors.
Must be co-incidence of course.
-Matt
My guess is coincidence.... it’s a different Mark than the JCB director. "
Brothers.
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"So as we saw the other day, the govt has allocated £108M for additional ferry services to help deal with the clusterfuck that will happen end of March....
...now it turns out, one of the companies they awarded money to, Seabourne Freight doesn't even have any ferries and has never run a ferry service before. And only been operating for a couple of months so far.
DFT has said: "As with all contracts, we carefully vetted the company's commercial, technical and financial position in detail before making the award," it added.
To which local Tory councillor Paul Messenger said: "It has no ships and no trading history so how can due diligence be done?" and "Why choose a company that never moved a single truck in their entire history and give them £14m? I don't understand the logic of that"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46714984
Well done HMG.
-Matt"
So why would the government prepare for "No Deal" by giving a contract to a company with no ships and no history?
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"The Seaborne directors etc are all ex Cross Channel ferry people, with plenty of experience. The top man is French"
Best hope they weren't with Myferrylink (French) or Seafrance (French) or LD Line (French) or TMF (French) or Transeuropea (not French, but bankrupt after running out of Ramsgate) or any of the other companies that have ceased trading on the cross channel route. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"The Seaborne directors etc are all ex Cross Channel ferry people, with plenty of experience. The top man is French
Best hope they weren't with Myferrylink (French) or Seafrance (French) or LD Line (French) or TMF (French) or Transeuropea (not French, but bankrupt after running out of Ramsgate) or any of the other companies that have ceased trading on the cross channel route."
Well we know that one of the is the largest Conservative party donors brother... that doesn’t look shady at all... hmmm |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"The Seaborne directors etc are all ex Cross Channel ferry people, with plenty of experience. The top man is French
Best hope they weren't with Myferrylink (French) or Seafrance (French) or LD Line (French) or TMF (French) or Transeuropea (not French, but bankrupt after running out of Ramsgate) or any of the other companies that have ceased trading on the cross channel route.
Well we know that one of the is the largest Conservative party donors brother... that doesn’t look shady at all... hmmm"
But given that Mark Bamford has no association, and never has, with Seaborne Freight, how does that fit the narrative? |
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"The Seaborne directors etc are all ex Cross Channel ferry people, with plenty of experience. The top man is French
Best hope they weren't with Myferrylink (French) or Seafrance (French) or LD Line (French) or TMF (French) or Transeuropea (not French, but bankrupt after running out of Ramsgate) or any of the other companies that have ceased trading on the cross channel route.
Well we know that one of the is the largest Conservative party donors brother... that doesn’t look shady at all... hmmm
But given that Mark Bamford has no association, and never has, with Seaborne Freight, how does that fit the narrative? "
Please read the rules.
You should know that truth isn't allowed to get in the way of an anti Tory rant. |
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"So as we saw the other day, the govt has allocated £108M for additional ferry services to help deal with the clusterfuck that will happen end of March....
...now it turns out, one of the companies they awarded money to, Seabourne Freight doesn't even have any ferries and has never run a ferry service before. And only been operating for a couple of months so far.
DFT has said: "As with all contracts, we carefully vetted the company's commercial, technical and financial position in detail before making the award," it added.
To which local Tory councillor Paul Messenger said: "It has no ships and no trading history so how can due diligence be done?" and "Why choose a company that never moved a single truck in their entire history and give them £14m? I don't understand the logic of that"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46714984
Well done HMG.
-Matt
And this is the same government that people actually believe will be OK if a no deal happens..
True that the tories still have a lead over Labour in the polls. What does this tell you about the labour party?
I’ve no doubt that you are probably correct, but a cock up is a cock up. Still with this countries fptp election system, the LibLabCon can continue to fuck things up and then point fingers at each other, nothing will change.
No everything will change. You’re missing the point of Brexit, they are removing the red tape imposed on them by the EU so they can award more contracts like this to their mates.
Are you saying that all the bureaucracy and red tape are a good thing? That they are in place to protect us from the politicians? That is one strange way of looking at things. Mind you I never will understand remainers, especially those who probably gained nothing materialy from our EU membership."
What do you "think" you're going to materially gain once we leave ? |
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Is it unusual for a new company to have its legal address at their solicitors ? My guess is not, at the start. I suspect there is a point where they should “move out” and maybe you’d hope that would happen before they were awarded government contracts.
Is there any evidence there Mark Bamford (lawyer) is related to the Bamfords (JCB). I say plural as there is a Mark Bamford on JCB board. But a different one I think.
This looks a bit odd without going digging. |
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"Is it unusual for a new company to have its legal address at their solicitors ? My guess is not, at the start. I suspect there is a point where they should “move out” and maybe you’d hope that would happen before they were awarded government contracts.
Is there any evidence there Mark Bamford (lawyer) is related to the Bamfords (JCB). I say plural as there is a Mark Bamford on JCB board. But a different one I think.
This looks a bit odd without going digging. "
It's quite normal for a company to have its registered head office at a solicitors or accountants office. Trading address being where the company trades from - if there isn't a trading address then it's probably a new start - off the shelf which can be set up with limited capital. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Perhaps the more pressing question is why will be need more ferries?
Problems we are likely to encounter (according to all the scaremongers of doom) is to do with Customs checks at our ports - it has nothing to do with Ferrying capacity.
Surely adding more ferries would exacerbate the problem, not solve it |
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"Perhaps the more pressing question is why will be need more ferries?
Problems we are likely to encounter (according to all the scaremongers of doom) is to do with Customs checks at our ports - it has nothing to do with Ferrying capacity.
Surely adding more ferries would exacerbate the problem, not solve it"
Spread the pain I imagine. This is to help issues at Dover. |
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By *oi_Lucy OP Couple
over a year ago
Barbados |
"So as we saw the other day, the govt has allocated £108M for additional ferry services to help deal with the clusterfuck that will happen end of March....
...now it turns out, one of the companies they awarded money to, Seabourne Freight doesn't even have any ferries and has never run a ferry service before. And only been operating for a couple of months so far.
DFT has said: "As with all contracts, we carefully vetted the company's commercial, technical and financial position in detail before making the award," it added.
To which local Tory councillor Paul Messenger said: "It has no ships and no trading history so how can due diligence be done?" and "Why choose a company that never moved a single truck in their entire history and give them £14m? I don't understand the logic of that"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46714984
Well done HMG.
-Matt
And this is the same government that people actually believe will be OK if a no deal happens..
True that the tories still have a lead over Labour in the polls. What does this tell you about the labour party?
I’ve no doubt that you are probably correct, but a cock up is a cock up. Still with this countries fptp election system, the LibLabCon can continue to fuck things up and then point fingers at each other, nothing will change.
No everything will change. You’re missing the point of Brexit, they are removing the red tape imposed on them by the EU so they can award more contracts like this to their mates.
Are you saying that all the bureaucracy and red tape are a good thing? That they are in place to protect us from the politicians? That is one strange way of looking at things. Mind you I never will understand remainers, especially those who probably gained nothing materialy from our EU membership."
A lot of the ‘red tape’ is to protect against people would would rather cut corners.
Anyone remember who it was on here a few years back who was moaning that as a plumber they had to buy boilers that met a common EU safety standard and they couldn’t buy cheaper Chinese ones that didn’t have the same safety standards.
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"Perhaps the more pressing question is why will be need more ferries?
Problems we are likely to encounter (according to all the scaremongers of doom) is to do with Customs checks at our ports - it has nothing to do with Ferrying capacity.
Surely adding more ferries would exacerbate the problem, not solve it"
In this case the company want to use a different route. It actually (as far as I see) actually makes some sense. Longer sea miles, but synced with drivers rest hours and specifically for freight. Avoids existing hot spots.
Just the company had no boats, no history, and only a few months to get it all going.
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" In this case the company want to use a different route. It actually (as far as I see) actually makes some sense. Longer sea miles, but synced with drivers rest hours and specifically for freight. Avoids existing hot spots.
Just the company had no boats, no history, and only a few months to get it all going.
-Matt "
There's no gain, minimum rest period required in 9 hours driving is 45 minutes. Ramsgate crossing takes 4 and a half hours Dover 75 minutes, Oostende is less than an hour's drive from Calais so there's no time gain there either. The reason Dfds and P&O don't operate from Ramsgate is it's defunct even as a freight only terminal (Sheerness operates to Zeebrugge successfully using this model) so why choose Ramsgate?, I can see a plethora of directors loans and consultancy fees being paid to the shareholders while at the same time rattling the can to the Dept of transport Thanet district council and the Belgian government before being wound up with no assets to recover debt from. |
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" In this case the company want to use a different route. It actually (as far as I see) actually makes some sense. Longer sea miles, but synced with drivers rest hours and specifically for freight. Avoids existing hot spots.
Just the company had no boats, no history, and only a few months to get it all going.
-Matt
There's no gain, minimum rest period required in 9 hours driving is 45 minutes. Ramsgate crossing takes 4 and a half hours Dover 75 minutes, Oostende is less than an hour's drive from Calais so there's no time gain there either. The reason Dfds and P&O don't operate from Ramsgate is it's defunct even as a freight only terminal (Sheerness operates to Zeebrugge successfully using this model) so why choose Ramsgate?, I can see a plethora of directors loans and consultancy fees being paid to the shareholders while at the same time rattling the can to the Dept of transport Thanet district council and the Belgian government before being wound up with no assets to recover debt from. "
Well directors consultancy fees we £81k. They were set up in 2017 a mix of My Ferrylink and a navy guy. Bamford is related to JCB and conservative Tugenhut has family connection? |
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"So as we saw the other day, the govt has allocated £108M for additional ferry services to help deal with the clusterfuck that will happen end of March....
...now it turns out, one of the companies they awarded money to, Seabourne Freight doesn't even have any ferries and has never run a ferry service before. And only been operating for a couple of months so far.
DFT has said: "As with all contracts, we carefully vetted the company's commercial, technical and financial position in detail before making the award," it added.
To which local Tory councillor Paul Messenger said: "It has no ships and no trading history so how can due diligence be done?" and "Why choose a company that never moved a single truck in their entire history and give them £14m? I don't understand the logic of that"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46714984
Well done HMG.
-Matt
And this is the same government that people actually believe will be OK if a no deal happens..
True that the tories still have a lead over Labour in the polls. What does this tell you about the labour party?
I’ve no doubt that you are probably correct, but a cock up is a cock up. Still with this countries fptp election system, the LibLabCon can continue to fuck things up and then point fingers at each other, nothing will change.
No everything will change. You’re missing the point of Brexit, they are removing the red tape imposed on them by the EU so they can award more contracts like this to their mates.
Are you saying that all the bureaucracy and red tape are a good thing? That they are in place to protect us from the politicians? That is one strange way of looking at things. Mind you I never will understand remainers, especially those who probably gained nothing materialy from our EU membership.
What do you "think" you're going to materially gain once we leave ?"
Well financially nothing, but for me it was never about that. I knew the EU were screwing us, and that we were paying them well for doing so. I also knew that the liberal wankers in society lovef it and that many “ex” politicians were making a fortune out of it.
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"So as we saw the other day, the govt has allocated £108M for additional ferry services to help deal with the clusterfuck that will happen end of March....
...now it turns out, one of the companies they awarded money to, Seabourne Freight doesn't even have any ferries and has never run a ferry service before. And only been operating for a couple of months so far.
DFT has said: "As with all contracts, we carefully vetted the company's commercial, technical and financial position in detail before making the award," it added.
To which local Tory councillor Paul Messenger said: "It has no ships and no trading history so how can due diligence be done?" and "Why choose a company that never moved a single truck in their entire history and give them £14m? I don't understand the logic of that"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46714984
Well done HMG.
-Matt
And this is the same government that people actually believe will be OK if a no deal happens..
True that the tories still have a lead over Labour in the polls. What does this tell you about the labour party?
I’ve no doubt that you are probably correct, but a cock up is a cock up. Still with this countries fptp election system, the LibLabCon can continue to fuck things up and then point fingers at each other, nothing will change.
No everything will change. You’re missing the point of Brexit, they are removing the red tape imposed on them by the EU so they can award more contracts like this to their mates.
Are you saying that all the bureaucracy and red tape are a good thing? That they are in place to protect us from the politicians? That is one strange way of looking at things. Mind you I never will understand remainers, especially those who probably gained nothing materialy from our EU membership.
A lot of the ‘red tape’ is to protect against people would would rather cut corners.
Anyone remember who it was on here a few years back who was moaning that as a plumber they had to buy boilers that met a common EU safety standard and they couldn’t buy cheaper Chinese ones that didn’t have the same safety standards.
-Matt"
Are you saying for certain that Chinese safety standards are not as good as those adhered to by the EU? Because that is how it sounds to me. Just because they are cheaper does not mean that they are inferior. Or have you a problem with the Chinese??
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"Perhaps the more pressing question is why will be need more ferries?
Problems we are likely to encounter (according to all the scaremongers of doom) is to do with Customs checks at our ports - it has nothing to do with Ferrying capacity.
Surely adding more ferries would exacerbate the problem, not solve it
Spread the pain I imagine. This is to help issues at Dover. "
I cannot imagine there being more lorry traffic, so why extra ferries?
The only conclusion I can come to is to replace existing capacity that, for whatever reason, may be withdrawn if there is no legal framework between UK and our neighbours come March 29. |
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"especially those who probably gained nothing materialy from our EU membership.
What do you "think" you're going to materially gain once we leave ?
Well financially nothing, but for me it was never about that. I knew the EU were screwing us, and that we were paying them well for doing so. I also knew that the liberal wankers in society lovef it and that many “ex” politicians were making a fortune out of it.
Voting leave was a no brainer! "
So while being a member of the EU there's many tangible benefits of being so yet leaving gives us no "material - tangible" benefits in return, just the removal of "material - tangible" benefits we enjoyed...
Quite amusing that a leave voter would actually publicly declare the nuts & bolts truth about BREXIT
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"Perhaps the more pressing question is why will be need more ferries?
Problems we are likely to encounter (according to all the scaremongers of doom) is to do with Customs checks at our ports - it has nothing to do with Ferrying capacity.
Surely adding more ferries would exacerbate the problem, not solve it
Spread the pain I imagine. This is to help issues at Dover.
I cannot imagine there being more lorry traffic, so why extra ferries?
The only conclusion I can come to is to replace existing capacity that, for whatever reason, may be withdrawn if there is no legal framework between UK and our neighbours come March 29."
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Anyone remember who it was on here a few years back who was moaning that as a plumber they had to buy boilers that met a common EU safety standard and they couldn’t buy cheaper Chinese ones that didn’t have the same safety standards.
-Matt
Are you saying for certain that Chinese safety standards are not as good as those adhered to by the EU? Because that is how it sounds to me. Just because they are cheaper does not mean that they are inferior. Or have you a problem with the Chinese??
Hmmm, the mind boggles..."
I think we all know that while China manufacturers may well produce items to EU safety regulations there will be thousands that do not and sell much inferior products much cheaper. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
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I'd say it's simply spreading the volume to ease congestion, nothing else really."
The volume of traffic does not increase.
Only passes through much slower.
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I'd say it's simply spreading the volume to ease congestion, nothing else really.
The volume of traffic does not increase.
Only passes through much slower.
So why extra ferry space if there are no extra vehicles?"
Because the new ferry routes will relieve the Dover Calais run. They hope to ship more to Ramsgate, Newhaven, Portsmouth, Poole etc |
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By *oi_Lucy OP Couple
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"So as we saw the other day, the govt has allocated £108M for additional ferry services to help deal with the clusterfuck that will happen end of March....
...now it turns out, one of the companies they awarded money to, Seabourne Freight doesn't even have any ferries and has never run a ferry service before. And only been operating for a couple of months so far.
DFT has said: "As with all contracts, we carefully vetted the company's commercial, technical and financial position in detail before making the award," it added.
To which local Tory councillor Paul Messenger said: "It has no ships and no trading history so how can due diligence be done?" and "Why choose a company that never moved a single truck in their entire history and give them £14m? I don't understand the logic of that"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46714984
Well done HMG.
-Matt
And this is the same government that people actually believe will be OK if a no deal happens..
True that the tories still have a lead over Labour in the polls. What does this tell you about the labour party?
I’ve no doubt that you are probably correct, but a cock up is a cock up. Still with this countries fptp election system, the LibLabCon can continue to fuck things up and then point fingers at each other, nothing will change.
No everything will change. You’re missing the point of Brexit, they are removing the red tape imposed on them by the EU so they can award more contracts like this to their mates.
Are you saying that all the bureaucracy and red tape are a good thing? That they are in place to protect us from the politicians? That is one strange way of looking at things. Mind you I never will understand remainers, especially those who probably gained nothing materialy from our EU membership.
A lot of the ‘red tape’ is to protect against people would would rather cut corners.
Anyone remember who it was on here a few years back who was moaning that as a plumber they had to buy boilers that met a common EU safety standard and they couldn’t buy cheaper Chinese ones that didn’t have the same safety standards.
-Matt
Are you saying for certain that Chinese safety standards are not as good as those adhered to by the EU? Because that is how it sounds to me. Just because they are cheaper does not mean that they are inferior. Or have you a problem with the Chinese??
Hmmm, the mind boggles..."
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No, I'm not saying that. I am saying that the cheaper Chinese units did not have to adhere to the standards and testing required for units to be sold and installed within the EU.
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I'd say it's simply spreading the volume to ease congestion, nothing else really.
The volume of traffic does not increase.
Only passes through much slower.
So why extra ferry space if there are no extra vehicles?"
Because the hope is some wagons that would have gone the Dover route will now use this other port, hence easing congestion at the Dover route. |
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"especially those who probably gained nothing materialy from our EU membership.
What do you "think" you're going to materially gain once we leave ?
Well financially nothing, but for me it was never about that. I knew the EU were screwing us, and that we were paying them well for doing so. I also knew that the liberal wankers in society lovef it and that many “ex” politicians were making a fortune out of it.
Voting leave was a no brainer!
So while being a member of the EU there's many tangible benefits of being so yet leaving gives us no "material - tangible" benefits in return, just the removal of "material - tangible" benefits we enjoyed...
Quite amusing that a leave voter would actually publicly declare the nuts & bolts truth about BREXIT
I commend you "
You asked me what I was going to materialistically gain, I said nothing because I was talking about myself. Some will lose, and I believe that they have been living a charmed life with their noses in the EU trough. But us ordinary types with ordinary working class jobs will be better off eventually. Me? Not straight away, but I’ll lose nothing and may well be better off later on. |
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"especially those who probably gained nothing materialy from our EU membership.
What do you "think" you're going to materially gain once we leave ?
Well financially nothing, but for me it was never about that. I knew the EU were screwing us, and that we were paying them well for doing so. I also knew that the liberal wankers in society lovef it and that many “ex” politicians were making a fortune out of it.
Voting leave was a no brainer!
So while being a member of the EU there's many tangible benefits of being so yet leaving gives us no "material - tangible" benefits in return, just the removal of "material - tangible" benefits we enjoyed...
Quite amusing that a leave voter would actually publicly declare the nuts & bolts truth about BREXIT
I commend you
You asked me what I was going to materialistically gain, I said nothing because I was talking about myself. Some will lose, and I believe that they have been living a charmed life with their noses in the EU trough. But us ordinary types with ordinary working class jobs will be better off eventually. Me? Not straight away, but I’ll lose nothing and may well be better off later on. "
"But us ordinary types with ordinary working class jobs will be better off eventually."
What makes you think that?
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"So as we saw the other day, the govt has allocated £108M for additional ferry services to help deal with the clusterfuck that will happen end of March....
...now it turns out, one of the companies they awarded money to, Seabourne Freight doesn't even have any ferries and has never run a ferry service before. And only been operating for a couple of months so far.
DFT has said: "As with all contracts, we carefully vetted the company's commercial, technical and financial position in detail before making the award," it added.
To which local Tory councillor Paul Messenger said: "It has no ships and no trading history so how can due diligence be done?" and "Why choose a company that never moved a single truck in their entire history and give them £14m? I don't understand the logic of that"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46714984
Well done HMG.
-Matt
And this is the same government that people actually believe will be OK if a no deal happens..
True that the tories still have a lead over Labour in the polls. What does this tell you about the labour party?
That people think that the Tories have got us into this mess, they can damn well see it through. No fucking off and pretending it was nothing to do with them.u
-Matt"
True but, despite what looks like the biggest fuck-up in British history since the Romans left, Labour still isn't managing to pull ahead in the polls , never mind pull clear. This should be extremely to Labour supporters. It worries the hell out of me.
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"Perhaps the more pressing question is why will be need more ferries?
Problems we are likely to encounter (according to all the scaremongers of doom) is to do with Customs checks at our ports - it has nothing to do with Ferrying capacity.
Surely adding more ferries would exacerbate the problem, not solve it"
The problem is the Customs handling capacity at Dover and Calais. By having boats dock at other ports it would help to relieve the bottle neck.
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I think we're all getting a little carried away here.
To me it's simple. Either these ferries are never going to be needed (because BREXIT doesn't happen or it's no where near as bad as we fear) or it does; in which case I doubt an extra ferry running into Ramsgate is really going to solve the problems anyway.
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"Perhaps the more pressing question is why will be need more ferries?
Problems we are likely to encounter (according to all the scaremongers of doom) is to do with Customs checks at our ports - it has nothing to do with Ferrying capacity.
Surely adding more ferries would exacerbate the problem, not solve it
The problem is the Customs handling capacity at Dover and Calais. By having boats dock at other ports it would help to relieve the bottle neck.
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Dover -Calais is the cheapest crossing as well as shortest. That's the reason it's so busy. |
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over a year ago
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"Again remoaners have not listened or read the full terms and conditions x
What are you blathering on about now?
-Matt"
Seaborne only get the money once they are delivering on what's contractually promised.
They haven't just been handed £14million. |
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By *oi_Lucy OP Couple
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"Again remoaners have not listened or read the full terms and conditions x
What are you blathering on about now?
-Matt
Seaborne only get the money once they are delivering on what's contractually promised.
They haven't just been handed £14million."
Oh, right fir enough. Has more info now been released about the deal then?
But I'm not allowed to change my mind now new information has come to light am I? I thought that was against the rules, will of the people and all that?
Still, points to a bit of a shit-show that they were even awarded the contract in the first place. Sounds like a good demonstration of things to come.
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Seaborne only get the money once they are delivering on what's contractually promised.
They haven't just been handed £14million."
Until they bounce the government into an advance to lease the vessels or cover insurance with a chicken and egg premise, and given that this contract is starting to look a marquee policy the government will cough up.
"Still, points to a bit of a shit-show that they were even awarded the contract in the first place. Sounds like a good demonstration of things to come.
-Matt"
Remember this is Chris Grayling we're talking about!
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Seaborne only get the money once they are delivering on what's contractually promised.
They haven't just been handed £14million.
Until they bounce the government into an advance to lease the vessels or cover insurance with a chicken and egg premise, and given that this contract is starting to look a marquee policy the government will cough up.
Still, points to a bit of a shit-show that they were even awarded the contract in the first place. Sounds like a good demonstration of things to come.
-Matt
Remember this is Chris Grayling we're talking about!
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By *oi_Lucy OP Couple
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Just a thought... from what I read due to the narrowness of the berths at Ramsgate, apparently there are very few vessels that can get in there. Most are already in operation. So I guess anyone with one up for sale or lease can pretty much name their price now.
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Sorry incorrect...i have a boat in ramsgate ..the only problem is there has been no ferry traffic for years ....the outer harbour area only needs to be dredged ...to get it back up running and now has a great access tunnel.......and for the area I hope it happens |
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"OK... so I'm betting this must be a sheer co-incidence....
Seabourne's office is registered at Third Floor, 59 Mansell Street, London, England, E1 8AN which happens to also be the address of a Maritime Law firm Campbell Johnson Clark whose Director is called Mark Bamford.
Bamford.... Bamford.... where have I heard that name before?
Ohhhhh yes, Centy's favourite company JCB, whose owner Anthony Bamford is a Tory peer and one of their largest donors.
Must be co-incidence of course.
-Matt"
This is corruption. The directors are pocketing 100s of thousands for doing f.a. |
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...now it turns out, one of the companies they awarded money to, Seabourne Freight doesn't even have any ferries and has never run a ferry service before. And only been operating for a couple of months so far.
DFT has said: "As with all contracts, we carefully vetted the company's commercial, technical and financial position in detail before making the award," it added.
To which local Tory councillor Paul Messenger said: "It has no ships and no trading history so how can due diligence be done?" and "Why choose a company that never moved a single truck in their entire history and give them £14m? I don't understand the logic of that"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46714984
Well done HMG.
-Matt
And this is the same government that people actually believe will be OK if a no deal happens..
True that the tories still have a lead over Labour in the polls. What does this tell you about the labour party? "
It tells you that if Labour had done this it would be on every newspaper front page and the leading story on every TV news programme followed by days if not months of "journalistic investigation"
Instead it's going to be the usual "nothing to see here that we get with every Tory crime and fuck up |
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"Just a thought... from what I read due to the narrowness of the berths at Ramsgate, apparently there are very few vessels that can get in there. Most are already in operation. So I guess anyone with one up for sale or lease can pretty much name their price now.
-Matt"
Not quite right. While Ramsgate needs dredging, it can take most ferries with the exception of the super ferries (Spirit of Britain or Spirit of France).
The extra ferry capacity is likely to come from charters which are small enough for the fringe Channel ports.
I would be interested to know where you read that Ramsgate is not large enough. They ran car and freight ferries out of there to Dunkirk and Ostend for years. It hasn't shrunk...simply silted up a little. The infrastructure is still more or less intact. Believe me, I work within the SE ports industry. |
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"Just a thought... from what I read due to the narrowness of the berths at Ramsgate, apparently there are very few vessels that can get in there. Most are already in operation. So I guess anyone with one up for sale or lease can pretty much name their price now.
-Matt
Not quite right. While Ramsgate needs dredging, it can take most ferries with the exception of the super ferries (Spirit of Britain or Spirit of France).
The extra ferry capacity is likely to come from charters which are small enough for the fringe Channel ports.
I would be interested to know where you read that Ramsgate is not large enough. They ran car and freight ferries out of there to Dunkirk and Ostend for years. It hasn't shrunk...simply silted up a little. The infrastructure is still more or less intact. Believe me, I work within the SE ports industry."
Thanks for that information, it is pretty much what I expected. I hope the new measures regenerate Ramsgate, and bring in new business from all over the world. |
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Anyone seen Channel 4 news tonight?
Seems this is a non issue...
As in the company is a non company, its contract terms 'taken' (or should that be stolen) from a takeaway food retailer with a home delivery service, and its CEO is a little Trumpster who has a history of corporate welshing on debts.
Regardless of legality it says a lot about the Tories that rather than admit they made a mistake they and Graling are coming out defending what they have done and saying that everything is fine when clearly it is not.
What a shower of shit these tories really are! But hey, the popular media (owned by big business and billionaires keep telling you that JC and Labour would be worse, so it must be true. (Just like Millie Dowler was alive because she was deleting her mobiles inbox.) |
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By *oi_Lucy OP Couple
over a year ago
Barbados |
"Anyone seen Channel 4 news tonight?
Seems this is a non issue...
As in the company is a non company, its contract terms 'taken' (or should that be stolen) from a takeaway food retailer with a home delivery service, and its CEO is a little Trumpster who has a history of corporate welshing on debts.
Regardless of legality it says a lot about the Tories that rather than admit they made a mistake they and Graling are coming out defending what they have done and saying that everything is fine when clearly it is not.
What a shower of shit these tories really are! But hey, the popular media (owned by big business and billionaires keep telling you that JC and Labour would be worse, so it must be true. (Just like Millie Dowler was alive because she was deleting her mobiles inbox.)"
As someone pointed out today elsewhere, how did this company even *know* that this contract was up for bidding on? It wasn’t advertised, it didn’t go through any standard procurement process (eg OJEU). So how did a virtually nonexistent company even know the contract was happening to bid for it?
I ran an SME that tried to get govt work for many years. It is really pretty bloody hard. And the number of procurement hoops you need to go through is pretty insane.
So how did they do it?
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"Just a thought... from what I read due to the narrowness of the berths at Ramsgate, apparently there are very few vessels that can get in there. Most are already in operation. So I guess anyone with one up for sale or lease can pretty much name their price now.
-Matt
Not quite right. While Ramsgate needs dredging, it can take most ferries with the exception of the super ferries (Spirit of Britain or Spirit of France).
The extra ferry capacity is likely to come from charters which are small enough for the fringe Channel ports.
I would be interested to know where you read that Ramsgate is not large enough. They ran car and freight ferries out of there to Dunkirk and Ostend for years. It hasn't shrunk...simply silted up a little. The infrastructure is still more or less intact. Believe me, I work within the SE ports industry.
Thanks for that information, it is pretty much what I expected. I hope the new measures regenerate Ramsgate, and bring in new business from all over the world. "
As a commercially viable venture Ramsgate harbour is 40years out of date. The largest vessels it can accommodate are from the Enterprise era of Townsend Thoreson (later named Pride of Canterbury/Bruges/Kent after the P&O takeover), capacity is the name of the game hence the Spirit megaships running out of Dover. There's so much goodwill and keeness for Ramsgate operate but ultimately it needs to present itself to a serviceable future, the RAM want to see it expand the marina playing up it's train connections to London and proximity to Margate but even then that's debatable as to whether it can move from a loss to the council to an income stream asset. |
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"Anyone seen Channel 4 news tonight?
Seems this is a non issue...
As in the company is a non company, its contract terms 'taken' (or should that be stolen) from a takeaway food retailer with a home delivery service, and its CEO is a little Trumpster who has a history of corporate welshing on debts.
Regardless of legality it says a lot about the Tories that rather than admit they made a mistake they and Graling are coming out defending what they have done and saying that everything is fine when clearly it is not.
What a shower of shit these tories really are! But hey, the popular media (owned by big business and billionaires keep telling you that JC and Labour would be worse, so it must be true. (Just like Millie Dowler was alive because she was deleting her mobiles inbox.)
As someone pointed out today elsewhere, how did this company even *know* that this contract was up for bidding on? It wasn’t advertised, it didn’t go through any standard procurement process (eg OJEU). So how did a virtually nonexistent company even know the contract was happening to bid for it?
I ran an SME that tried to get govt work for many years. It is really pretty bloody hard. And the number of procurement hoops you need to go through is pretty insane.
So how did they do it?
-Matt"
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By *oi_Lucy OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Anyone seen Channel 4 news tonight?
Seems this is a non issue...
As in the company is a non company, its contract terms 'taken' (or should that be stolen) from a takeaway food retailer with a home delivery service, and its CEO is a little Trumpster who has a history of corporate welshing on debts.
Regardless of legality it says a lot about the Tories that rather than admit they made a mistake they and Graling are coming out defending what they have done and saying that everything is fine when clearly it is not.
What a shower of shit these tories really are! But hey, the popular media (owned by big business and billionaires keep telling you that JC and Labour would be worse, so it must be true. (Just like Millie Dowler was alive because she was deleting her mobiles inbox.)
As someone pointed out today elsewhere, how did this company even *know* that this contract was up for bidding on? It wasn’t advertised, it didn’t go through any standard procurement process (eg OJEU). So how did a virtually nonexistent company even know the contract was happening to bid for it?
I ran an SME that tried to get govt work for many years. It is really pretty bloody hard. And the number of procurement hoops you need to go through is pretty insane.
So how did they do it?
-Matt
Nudge nudge wink wink"
Well, it was a rhetorical question.... I think it is plainly clear that something is going on behind closed doors.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Anyone seen Channel 4 news tonight?
Seems this is a non issue...
As in the company is a non company, its contract terms 'taken' (or should that be stolen) from a takeaway food retailer with a home delivery service, and its CEO is a little Trumpster who has a history of corporate welshing on debts.
Regardless of legality it says a lot about the Tories that rather than admit they made a mistake they and Graling are coming out defending what they have done and saying that everything is fine when clearly it is not.
What a shower of shit these tories really are! But hey, the popular media (owned by big business and billionaires keep telling you that JC and Labour would be worse, so it must be true. (Just like Millie Dowler was alive because she was deleting her mobiles inbox.)
As someone pointed out today elsewhere, how did this company even *know* that this contract was up for bidding on? It wasn’t advertised, it didn’t go through any standard procurement process (eg OJEU). So how did a virtually nonexistent company even know the contract was happening to bid for it?
I ran an SME that tried to get govt work for many years. It is really pretty bloody hard. And the number of procurement hoops you need to go through is pretty insane.
So how did they do it?
-Matt
Nudge nudge wink wink
Well, it was a rhetorical question.... I think it is plainly clear that something is going on behind closed doors.
-Matt"
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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".... snipped....
As someone pointed out today elsewhere, how did this company even *know* that this contract was up for bidding on? It wasn’t advertised, it didn’t go through any standard procurement process (eg OJEU). So how did a virtually nonexistent company even know the contract was happening to bid for it?
... snipped
-Matt"
This is a key point and i would hope that someone in Parliament will demand an investigation next week.
It is beyond absurd that this could even be thought to happen - let alone has actually happened. |
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".... snipped....
As someone pointed out today elsewhere, how did this company even *know* that this contract was up for bidding on? It wasn’t advertised, it didn’t go through any standard procurement process (eg OJEU). So how did a virtually nonexistent company even know the contract was happening to bid for it?
... snipped
-Matt
This is a key point and i would hope that someone in Parliament will demand an investigation next week.
It is beyond absurd that this could even be thought to happen - let alone has actually happened."
Maybe some tories were looking for pizza whilst they were working out who to give a few £millions to and came across what appeared a composite between a pizza delivery website and a ferry company?
These awards of £multi-million contracts are likely to be highly suspect imo. We should create a fab ferry company that delivers anything, anywhere, in case any more contracts are given out, without sufficient checks being made. We could then operate it ethically. |
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By *oi_Lucy OP Couple
over a year ago
Barbados |
".... snipped....
As someone pointed out today elsewhere, how did this company even *know* that this contract was up for bidding on? It wasn’t advertised, it didn’t go through any standard procurement process (eg OJEU). So how did a virtually nonexistent company even know the contract was happening to bid for it?
... snipped
-Matt
This is a key point and i would hope that someone in Parliament will demand an investigation next week.
It is beyond absurd that this could even be thought to happen - let alone has actually happened.
Maybe some tories were looking for pizza whilst they were working out who to give a few £millions to and came across what appeared a composite between a pizza delivery website and a ferry company?
These awards of £multi-million contracts are likely to be highly suspect imo. We should create a fab ferry company that delivers anything, anywhere, in case any more contracts are given out, without sufficient checks being made. We could then operate it ethically."
lol a fab ferry company would be awesome
A good point I just read: if Seabourne are not getting paid until they deliver, then who is currently paying to dredge the harbour? As seabourne don’t have any cash.
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".... snipped....
As someone pointed out today elsewhere, how did this company even *know* that this contract was up for bidding on? It wasn’t advertised, it didn’t go through any standard procurement process (eg OJEU). So how did a virtually nonexistent company even know the contract was happening to bid for it?
... snipped
-Matt
This is a key point and i would hope that someone in Parliament will demand an investigation next week.
It is beyond absurd that this could even be thought to happen - let alone has actually happened.
Maybe some tories were looking for pizza whilst they were working out who to give a few £millions to and came across what appeared a composite between a pizza delivery website and a ferry company?
These awards of £multi-million contracts are likely to be highly suspect imo. We should create a fab ferry company that delivers anything, anywhere, in case any more contracts are given out, without sufficient checks being made. We could then operate it ethically.
lol a fab ferry company would be awesome
A good point I just read: if Seabourne are not getting paid until they deliver, then who is currently paying to dredge the harbour? As seabourne don’t have any cash.
-Matt"
Probably the local council tax payers. A good investment in the future methinks. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
".... snipped....
As someone pointed out today elsewhere, how did this company even *know* that this contract was up for bidding on? It wasn’t advertised, it didn’t go through any standard procurement process (eg OJEU). So how did a virtually nonexistent company even know the contract was happening to bid for it?
... snipped
-Matt
This is a key point and i would hope that someone in Parliament will demand an investigation next week.
It is beyond absurd that this could even be thought to happen - let alone has actually happened.
Maybe some tories were looking for pizza whilst they were working out who to give a few £millions to and came across what appeared a composite between a pizza delivery website and a ferry company?
These awards of £multi-million contracts are likely to be highly suspect imo. We should create a fab ferry company that delivers anything, anywhere, in case any more contracts are given out, without sufficient checks being made. We could then operate it ethically.
lol a fab ferry company would be awesome
A good point I just read: if Seabourne are not getting paid until they deliver, then who is currently paying to dredge the harbour? As seabourne don’t have any cash.
-Matt
Probably the local council tax payers. A good investment in the future methinks."
Seaborne shareholders are paying for the dredging operation, despite the port being owned by Thanet District Council. |
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".... snipped....
As someone pointed out today elsewhere, how did this company even *know* that this contract was up for bidding on? It wasn’t advertised, it didn’t go through any standard procurement process (eg OJEU). So how did a virtually nonexistent company even know the contract was happening to bid for it?
... snipped
-Matt
This is a key point and i would hope that someone in Parliament will demand an investigation next week.
It is beyond absurd that this could even be thought to happen - let alone has actually happened.
Maybe some tories were looking for pizza whilst they were working out who to give a few £millions to and came across what appeared a composite between a pizza delivery website and a ferry company?
These awards of £multi-million contracts are likely to be highly suspect imo. We should create a fab ferry company that delivers anything, anywhere, in case any more contracts are given out, without sufficient checks being made. We could then operate it ethically.
lol a fab ferry company would be awesome
A good point I just read: if Seabourne are not getting paid until they deliver, then who is currently paying to dredge the harbour? As seabourne don’t have any cash.
-Matt
Probably the local council tax payers. A good investment in the future methinks.
Seaborne shareholders are paying for the dredging operation, despite the port being owned by Thanet District Council."
From their own money ?
Also, I think seaborne freight (uk) has only one shareholder, suggesting there is a holding company somewhere ... |
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"Just a thought... from what I read due to the narrowness of the berths at Ramsgate, apparently there are very few vessels that can get in there. Most are already in operation. So I guess anyone with one up for sale or lease can pretty much name their price now.
-Matt
Not quite right. While Ramsgate needs dredging, it can take most ferries with the exception of the super ferries (Spirit of Britain or Spirit of France).
The extra ferry capacity is likely to come from charters which are small enough for the fringe Channel ports.
I would be interested to know where you read that Ramsgate is not large enough. They ran car and freight ferries out of there to Dunkirk and Ostend for years. It hasn't shrunk...simply silted up a little. The infrastructure is still more or less intact. Believe me, I work within the SE ports industry.
Thanks for that information, it is pretty much what I expected. I hope the new measures regenerate Ramsgate, and bring in new business from all over the world.
As a commercially viable venture Ramsgate harbour is 40years out of date. The largest vessels it can accommodate are from the Enterprise era of Townsend Thoreson (later named Pride of Canterbury/Bruges/Kent after the P&O takeover), capacity is the name of the game hence the Spirit megaships running out of Dover. There's so much goodwill and keeness for Ramsgate operate but ultimately it needs to present itself to a serviceable future, the RAM want to see it expand the marina playing up it's train connections to London and proximity to Margate but even then that's debatable as to whether it can move from a loss to the council to an income stream asset."
There are only 2 Spirit class ferries and they will be running out of Dover. Every other ferry...Pride class, NPC/Euro Seaway class etc would and in most cases have been berthed over the years in Ramsgate when laid up.
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" There are only 2 Spirit class ferries and they will be running out of Dover. Every other ferry...Pride class, NPC/Euro Seaway class etc would and in most cases have been berthed over the years in Ramsgate when laid up."
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"The local thanet mps are a good bunch one currently in court ..and the other a long standing brown envelope opener"
The harbour is owned and administered by Thanet district council, it's nothing to do with the MPs. |
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"Thanet MP Craig McKinlay cleared of all charges."
But the Central Office woman who ran his campaign is guilty and has only escaped jail because her husband is seriously ill. So original point stands. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Just a thought... from what I read due to the narrowness of the berths at Ramsgate, apparently there are very few vessels that can get in there. Most are already in operation. So I guess anyone with one up for sale or lease can pretty much name their price now.
-Matt
Not quite right. While Ramsgate needs dredging, it can take most ferries with the exception of the super ferries (Spirit of Britain or Spirit of France).
The extra ferry capacity is likely to come from charters which are small enough for the fringe Channel ports.
I would be interested to know where you read that Ramsgate is not large enough. They ran car and freight ferries out of there to Dunkirk and Ostend for years. It hasn't shrunk...simply silted up a little. The infrastructure is still more or less intact. Believe me, I work within the SE ports industry."
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By *oi_Lucy OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Just a thought... from what I read due to the narrowness of the berths at Ramsgate, apparently there are very few vessels that can get in there. Most are already in operation. So I guess anyone with one up for sale or lease can pretty much name their price now.
-Matt
Not quite right. While Ramsgate needs dredging, it can take most ferries with the exception of the super ferries (Spirit of Britain or Spirit of France).
The extra ferry capacity is likely to come from charters which are small enough for the fringe Channel ports.
I would be interested to know where you read that Ramsgate is not large enough. They ran car and freight ferries out of there to Dunkirk and Ostend for years. It hasn't shrunk...simply silted up a little. The infrastructure is still more or less intact. Believe me, I work within the SE ports industry.he doesn't let facts get in the way if it's anti brexit. "
I’m going by the facts being reported. Apparently the approach is too narrow for two way traffic so the proposed schedule and capacity doesn’t take into account pilotage in and out. And further regarding the bay sizes:
“Furthermore, the seafarer said, both parties seemed to be ignoring the limitations imposed by Ramsgate’s third berth.
Unlike berths one and two, it operates under a linkspan system, which is only capable of handling a certain type of vessel, of which the numbers available are limited.
“So number three berth will be left open, unless they can persuade DFDS or P&O to lend one of their ships,” he said. “And you can’t use a traditional stern-loading vessel as it would damage, or even destroy, the linkspan equipment on the port side.”
From an article online from a site called Loadstar, but also reported in many other places too.
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Bit ironic given they're having to make tough choices on funding because of cuts to them by the Tories..
Maybe Grayling should speak to Hammond.. "
I see Grayling made such an arse of himself in Calais he's been banned from the port lol |
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"Bit ironic given they're having to make tough choices on funding because of cuts to them by the Tories..
Maybe Grayling should speak to Hammond..
I see Grayling made such an arse of himself in Calais he's been banned from the port lol"
No, he's been banned from Calais because the french don't like Grayling's no deal planning to re-route some shipping away from Dover/Calais in the event of no deal to use other UK ports. Taking trade away from Calais and the French to use other ports in Belgium and the Netherlands. The French have now thrown a strop about it and banned him from Calais. |
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"£33 million in the hole, I've run out of adjectives regards Chris Grayling's incompetence."
So much for his fuck ups costing nothing! I wonder how much longer he will get to draw his £144,000 pa + expenses + Ministerial car + freebie junkets + backhanders for? |
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Because Seabourne Freight is partly controlled by someone who used to work for Sea-France which was a French government owned company. And since it was government owned, it could NOT go bankrupt.
Maybe that's what seabourne were planning to re-use and old Sea-France ferry?
Oh, and it might surprise you to know who owns Sea France / My Ferry Link, the Chunnel and a back up freight only ferry?
There's a reason why the Burger King "services" in Folkestone are operated by Autohof. (because its an European company) and there is a reason why the food is beyond crap (it's in England and has to compete with Ronald & Tim).
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"£33 million in the hole, I've run out of adjectives regards Chris Grayling's incompetence.failing grayling strikes again "
Strikes are a British thing. Take for example, scientifically advanced notions such as the Quartic steering wheel. |
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"£33 million in the hole, I've run out of adjectives regards Chris Grayling's incompetence."
Today he has cost the UK tax payer £33m and a report on the privatisation of the probation service (which he was responsible for as Justice Minister) cost the country £500m. Not a bad day's work for the most incompetent minister in the history of the country |
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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago
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Grayling , on behalf of the Conservative ( you can trust us with your money ) government , said in the House of Commons that the deal struck with Seabourne was such that unless they delivered on the agreement they wouldn't receive a penny of tax payers money , the good news for us tax payers is that they haven't ,, the bad news is the same deal has cost us £33million |
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