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over a year ago
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2019 will see two new FTA involving countries which account for c 40% of the worlds gdp. Japan (preciously insular) are in both.
How much pressure does this put us under to get FTAs in place, and do we think this is achievable? And does it put us on the back foot with these countries?
It seems if japan and the us are warming up to FTAs, we’re taking a step back atm. Here’s hoping it’s one step back, two forward.... |
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"2019 will see two new FTA involving countries which account for c 40% of the worlds gdp. Japan (preciously insular) are in both.
How much pressure does this put us under to get FTAs in place, and do we think this is achievable? And does it put us on the back foot with these countries?
It seems if japan and the us are warming up to FTAs, we’re taking a step back atm. Here’s hoping it’s one step back, two forward...."
It's easy talking about them, the problem is the logistics of it. Remember we will have ZERO trade deals and despite what has been said we need manpower to negotiate them. It's going to take quite some time !
I would hire several of the brexiteers from here to negotiate as they are much better than the ones we have. Come on guys step up. |
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"2019 will see two new FTA involving countries which account for c 40% of the worlds gdp. Japan (preciously insular) are in both.
How much pressure does this put us under to get FTAs in place, and do we think this is achievable? And does it put us on the back foot with these countries?
It seems if japan and the us are warming up to FTAs, we’re taking a step back atm. Here’s hoping it’s one step back, two forward...."
Meanwhile we seem content to not only leave the EU but to crash out with a No Deal. We are a country armed with a fork in a world of soup....tossers the lot of them |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"2019 will see two new FTA involving countries which account for c 40% of the worlds gdp. Japan (preciously insular) are in both.
How much pressure does this put us under to get FTAs in place, and do we think this is achievable? And does it put us on the back foot with these countries?
It seems if japan and the us are warming up to FTAs, we’re taking a step back atm. Here’s hoping it’s one step back, two forward...."
the interesting thing about the Japan-EU FTA is that like the CETA (Canada -EU agreement) it has language in it that states that cannot be put at a competitor disadvantage against other trade agreements.....
which means that the UK could not get as good a deal as the EU will have by the terms of the agreement....
so you can negoiate your own agreements but they can't be as good as the one you are walking away from.....
da-daaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!  |
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"Maybe Japan is hoping to sell whale meat to EU countries..."
Iceland has already got that one covered, as part of the EEA, Iceland sells Whale meat into the EU single market. The press covered the story during the EU referendum campaign in 2016. The EU likes to paint itself as a green, environmentally friendly institution, but it really isn't. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"Maybe Japan is hoping to sell whale meat to EU countries...
Iceland has already got that one covered, as part of the EEA, Iceland sells Whale meat into the EU single market. The press covered the story during the EU referendum campaign in 2016. The EU likes to paint itself as a green, environmentally friendly institution, but it really isn't. "
You are a silly boy.
Whale meat is not imported into the EU. All whale and dolphin products are banned under CITES.
Icelandic whaling is driven by the tourist industry in Iceland (the locals don't eat it) and Japan.
Whale meat en route to Japan can, unfortunately, pass through EU freeports. That's what freeports are anywhere in the world.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Maybe Japan is hoping to sell whale meat to EU countries...
Iceland has already got that one covered, as part of the EEA, Iceland sells Whale meat into the EU single market. The press covered the story during the EU referendum campaign in 2016. The EU likes to paint itself as a green, environmentally friendly institution, but it really isn't. "
Other than the fact we’re part of the EU and so we share in any culpability, what would the right course of action be ? Tell countries to change their laws or not have a FTA? Sounds like we’d be stepping in their sovereign toes.... |
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"Maybe Japan is hoping to sell whale meat to EU countries...
Iceland has already got that one covered, as part of the EEA, Iceland sells Whale meat into the EU single market. The press covered the story during the EU referendum campaign in 2016. The EU likes to paint itself as a green, environmentally friendly institution, but it really isn't.
You are a silly boy.
Whale meat is not imported into the EU. All whale and dolphin products are banned under CITES.
Icelandic whaling is driven by the tourist industry in Iceland (the locals don't eat it) and Japan.
Whale meat en route to Japan can, unfortunately, pass through EU freeports. That's what freeports are anywhere in the world.
If in doubt, lie some more "
That's not what the press reports said during the referendum in 2016. |
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"Maybe Japan is hoping to sell whale meat to EU countries...
Iceland has already got that one covered, as part of the EEA, Iceland sells Whale meat into the EU single market. The press covered the story during the EU referendum campaign in 2016. The EU likes to paint itself as a green, environmentally friendly institution, but it really isn't.
Other than the fact we’re part of the EU and so we share in any culpability, what would the right course of action be ? Tell countries to change their laws or not have a FTA? Sounds like we’d be stepping in their sovereign toes...."
Other than the fact we're now in the process of leaving this vile organisation, so won't be culpable any longer after Brexit.  |
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"Maybe Japan is hoping to sell whale meat to EU countries...
Iceland has already got that one covered, as part of the EEA, Iceland sells Whale meat into the EU single market. The press covered the story during the EU referendum campaign in 2016. The EU likes to paint itself as a green, environmentally friendly institution, but it really isn't.
You are a silly boy.
Whale meat is not imported into the EU. All whale and dolphin products are banned under CITES.
Icelandic whaling is driven by the tourist industry in Iceland (the locals don't eat it) and Japan.
Whale meat en route to Japan can, unfortunately, pass through EU freeports. That's what freeports are anywhere in the world.
If in doubt, lie some more "
If the EU is this big powerful organisation that you keep telling everyone it is, and can get smaller countries to do whatever they want, then surely the EU have the power to ban the passing of whale meat through EU ports. As SwingGlosCpl just said, if the EU allow it then the EU is culpable in this vile trade. Or are you saying that the EU is not as powerful as you think it is and they can't stop it. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Maybe Japan is hoping to sell whale meat to EU countries...
Iceland has already got that one covered, as part of the EEA, Iceland sells Whale meat into the EU single market. The press covered the story during the EU referendum campaign in 2016. The EU likes to paint itself as a green, environmentally friendly institution, but it really isn't.
You are a silly boy.
Whale meat is not imported into the EU. All whale and dolphin products are banned under CITES.
Icelandic whaling is driven by the tourist industry in Iceland (the locals don't eat it) and Japan.
Whale meat en route to Japan can, unfortunately, pass through EU freeports. That's what freeports are anywhere in the world.
If in doubt, lie some more
If the EU is this big powerful organisation that you keep telling everyone it is, and can get smaller countries to do whatever they want, then surely the EU have the power to ban the passing of whale meat through EU ports. As SwingGlosCpl just said, if the EU allow it then the EU is culpable in this vile trade. Or are you saying that the EU is not as powerful as you think it is and they can't stop it. "
Your misquoting me. I made no comment on the use of EU ports. I was just understanding where you’d expect us to stand if we were to enter an FTa with Japan. Should we refuse to sign. Or try and persuade them otherwise. And does the latter mean we are influenincg fheir laws. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Maybe Japan is hoping to sell whale meat to EU countries...
Iceland has already got that one covered, as part of the EEA, Iceland sells Whale meat into the EU single market. The press covered the story during the EU referendum campaign in 2016. The EU likes to paint itself as a green, environmentally friendly institution, but it really isn't.
You are a silly boy.
Whale meat is not imported into the EU. All whale and dolphin products are banned under CITES.
Icelandic whaling is driven by the tourist industry in Iceland (the locals don't eat it) and Japan.
Whale meat en route to Japan can, unfortunately, pass through EU freeports. That's what freeports are anywhere in the world.
If in doubt, lie some more
That's not what the press reports said during the referendum in 2016. "
Silly sausage.
I'm always happy for you to quote the headline from whatever "unbiased" source that is fed into your information bubble.
Feel free. As usual a five second fact check is likely to call out the BS and you'll go quiet  |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Maybe Japan is hoping to sell whale meat to EU countries...
Iceland has already got that one covered, as part of the EEA, Iceland sells Whale meat into the EU single market. The press covered the story during the EU referendum campaign in 2016. The EU likes to paint itself as a green, environmentally friendly institution, but it really isn't.
You are a silly boy.
Whale meat is not imported into the EU. All whale and dolphin products are banned under CITES.
Icelandic whaling is driven by the tourist industry in Iceland (the locals don't eat it) and Japan.
Whale meat en route to Japan can, unfortunately, pass through EU freeports. That's what freeports are anywhere in the world.
If in doubt, lie some more
If the EU is this big powerful organisation that you keep telling everyone it is, and can get smaller countries to do whatever they want, then surely the EU have the power to ban the passing of whale meat through EU ports. As SwingGlosCpl just said, if the EU allow it then the EU is culpable in this vile trade. Or are you saying that the EU is not as powerful as you think it is and they can't stop it. "
So, cupcake, what is a free port?
Could you also tell me if it would be possible for us to try to modify the terms of UK rules to unilaterally prevent transit of these goods? (Hint - the answer is yes. It would be no more complicated as as the EU doing) |
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I hear the latest Tory plan for solving the import problems of a no deal brexit is to set all tariffs at 0 and open our markets to the world.
I have 3 observations:
1. How can anyone see that as taking back control?
2. Why would any country that has been given free access to our markets then give up its trading advantage by giving us an FTA? After all they already have access to our markets.
3. If this is done just exactly how long does anyone think any British industry is going to last as our markets get flooded with cheap (and inferior) products, and how long until our product standards are so compromised that our goods are no longer acceptable in the EU? |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"Maybe Japan is hoping to sell whale meat to EU countries...
Iceland has already got that one covered, as part of the EEA, Iceland sells Whale meat into the EU single market. The press covered the story during the EU referendum campaign in 2016. The EU likes to paint itself as a green, environmentally friendly institution, but it really isn't.
Other than the fact we’re part of the EU and so we share in any culpability, what would the right course of action be ? Tell countries to change their laws or not have a FTA? Sounds like we’d be stepping in their sovereign toes...."
You mean, like the EU are doing to us? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"I hear the latest Tory plan for solving the import problems of a no deal brexit is to set all tariffs at 0 and open our markets to the world.
I have 3 observations:
1. How can anyone see that as taking back control?
2. Why would any country that has been given free access to our markets then give up its trading advantage by giving us an FTA? After all they already have access to our markets.
3. If this is done just exactly how long does anyone think any British industry is going to last as our markets get flooded with cheap (and inferior) products, and how long until our product standards are so compromised that our goods are no longer acceptable in the EU?"
Nobody will answer that question. It's a bit too difficult difficult to face reality.
It's duck and cover time again. They will change topic.
Post a new thread and see how many leavers reply at all when a specific question needs answering |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Maybe Japan is hoping to sell whale meat to EU countries...
Iceland has already got that one covered, as part of the EEA, Iceland sells Whale meat into the EU single market. The press covered the story during the EU referendum campaign in 2016. The EU likes to paint itself as a green, environmentally friendly institution, but it really isn't.
Other than the fact we’re part of the EU and so we share in any culpability, what would the right course of action be ? Tell countries to change their laws or not have a FTA? Sounds like we’d be stepping in their sovereign toes....
You mean, like the EU are doing to us?"
How? What can we not do that you want to do? |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"I hear the latest Tory plan for solving the import problems of a no deal brexit is to set all tariffs at 0 and open our markets to the world.
I have 3 observations:
1. How can anyone see that as taking back control?
2. Why would any country that has been given free access to our markets then give up its trading advantage by giving us an FTA? After all they already have access to our markets.
3. If this is done just exactly how long does anyone think any British industry is going to last as our markets get flooded with cheap (and inferior) products, and how long until our product standards are so compromised that our goods are no longer acceptable in the EU?"
that is what centy's favourite economist, Patrick minford, and his friend in the "economists for brexit" want.... but even they admit two things will happen
1) no one else will follow the UK in doing so....
2) that will decimate the uk manufacturing and agrifoods industries.... but hey, they think that is a price worth paying!!!! |
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"I hear the latest Tory plan for solving the import problems of a no deal brexit is to set all tariffs at 0 and open our markets to the world.
I have 3 observations:
1. How can anyone see that as taking back control?
2. Why would any country that has been given free access to our markets then give up its trading advantage by giving us an FTA? After all they already have access to our markets.
3. If this is done just exactly how long does anyone think any British industry is going to last as our markets get flooded with cheap (and inferior) products, and how long until our product standards are so compromised that our goods are no longer acceptable in the EU?"
It's a perfect solution if you want to turn the UK into Singapore, decimate manufacturing, screw agriculture and create a low tax, no public services hellhole. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"I hear the latest Tory plan for solving the import problems of a no deal brexit is to set all tariffs at 0 and open our markets to the world.
I have 3 observations:
1. How can anyone see that as taking back control?
2. Why would any country that has been given free access to our markets then give up its trading advantage by giving us an FTA? After all they already have access to our markets.
3. If this is done just exactly how long does anyone think any British industry is going to last as our markets get flooded with cheap (and inferior) products, and how long until our product standards are so compromised that our goods are no longer acceptable in the EU?
It's a perfect solution if you want to turn the UK into Singapore, decimate manufacturing, screw agriculture and create a low tax, no public services hellhole."
Actually, Singapore does a fair amount of high-tech manufacturing. It's not a low wage economy either.
It is, however, tiny. Labour is shipped in from Malaysia. Paid well, but then it's not Singapore's problem to educate them or see to their healthcare or old age needs.
We can't do that.
What you actually end up with is something like Hong Kong. Minimal, tax, minimal public services. Again they are tiny so it's just about workable.
Not here. |
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Looking at HK and Singapore for answers won’t work imo. They’re examples of how London could thrive, not all of the UK.
We’d also need a huge culture shift from state support to personal responsibility. I’m not sure how the social contract will work when youngsters are being asked to support the boomers with no state support in return. |
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"Looking at HK and Singapore for answers won’t work imo. They’re examples of how London could thrive, not all of the UK.
We’d also need a huge culture shift from state support to personal responsibility. I’m not sure how the social contract will work when youngsters are being asked to support the boomers with no state support in return. "
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