FabSwingers.com > Forums > Politics > US pulling out of Syria
US pulling out of Syria
Jump to: Newest in thread
 |
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Is this a smart move or will it just let ISIS re-establish (and Russia consolidate its influence)?"
Well it was illegal under international law etc. But the usa do what they fookin like anyway.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Is this a smart move or will it just let ISIS re-establish (and Russia consolidate its influence)?
Well it was illegal under international law etc. But the usa do what they fookin like anyway.
"
...unlike the Russians of course  |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Russia and the Assad Syrian regime control Syria now. I don't think there is much chance of ISIS coming back to Syria as they would be crushed by Russian and Syrian Assad forces. "
And it won’t cost the US a dime, great move!  |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Is this a smart move or will it just let ISIS re-establish (and Russia consolidate its influence)?
Well it was illegal under international law etc. But the usa do what they fookin like.
...unlike the Russians of course "
The Russian's were invited in by Assad weren't they? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
the us were not just there keeping a check on isis, russia syria and iran, they were also there protecting the kurds
horrendous move which is why Defense Secretary mattis quit.....
the "resignation" letter is Brutal..... basically the last "adult in the room" let in the middle of a trump temper tantrum |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Is this a smart move or will it just let ISIS re-establish (and Russia consolidate its influence)?
Well it was illegal under international law etc. But the usa do what they fookin like.
...unlike the Russians of course
The Russian's were invited in by Assad weren't they? "
Is that chemical bomb Assad, does that make it right for the Russians to support him? Interesting moral view... |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Is this a smart move or will it just let ISIS re-establish (and Russia consolidate its influence)?
Well it was illegal under international law etc. But the usa do what they fookin like.
...unlike the Russians of course
The Russian's were invited in by Assad weren't they?
Is that chemical bomb Assad, does that make it right for the Russians to support him? Interesting moral view..."
Say what you like about Assad but he is the only legitimate leader in Syria. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Is this a smart move or will it just let ISIS re-establish (and Russia consolidate its influence)?
Well it was illegal under international law etc. But the usa do what they fookin like.
...unlike the Russians of course
The Russian's were invited in by Assad weren't they?
Is that chemical bomb Assad, does that make it right for the Russians to support him? Interesting moral view...
Say what you like about Assad but he is the only legitimate leader in Syria. "
Sorry, but morals are important, its like integrity... |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Is this a smart move or will it just let ISIS re-establish (and Russia consolidate its influence)?
Well it was illegal under international law etc. But the usa do what they fookin like.
...unlike the Russians of course
The Russian's were invited in by Assad weren't they?
Is that chemical bomb Assad, does that make it right for the Russians to support him? Interesting moral view...
Say what you like about Assad but he is the only legitimate leader in Syria.
Sorry, but morals are important, its like integrity..."
Who else would run the country then?
ISIS?
I'd say better the devil you know. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Is this a smart move or will it just let ISIS re-establish (and Russia consolidate its influence)?
Well it was illegal under international law etc. But the usa do what they fookin like.
...unlike the Russians of course
The Russian's were invited in by Assad weren't they?
Is that chemical bomb Assad, does that make it right for the Russians to support him? Interesting moral view...
Say what you like about Assad but he is the only legitimate leader in Syria.
Sorry, but morals are important, its like integrity...
Who else would run the country then?
ISIS?
I'd say better the devil you know. "
...lets agree and stay in the EU then! |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Is this a smart move or will it just let ISIS re-establish (and Russia consolidate its influence)?
Well it was illegal under international law etc. But the usa do what they fookin like.
...unlike the Russians of course
The Russian's were invited in by Assad weren't they?
Is that chemical bomb Assad, does that make it right for the Russians to support him? Interesting moral view...
Say what you like about Assad but he is the only legitimate leader in Syria.
Sorry, but morals are important, its like integrity...
Who else would run the country then?
ISIS?
I'd say better the devil you know.
...lets agree and stay in the EU then! "
Is there any prospect of ISIS taking over the UK or part of the EU if we leave? Because if Assad was removed in Syria and left a vacuum then ISIS would attempt to fill it (as Al-Qaida and ISIS did in Iraq when Saddam Hussain was removed and left a vacuum). Comparing uk leaving the EU to Assad leaving Syria has to be one of the most idiotic comparisons I've ever seen on here and I've seen a fair few. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Is this a smart move or will it just let ISIS re-establish (and Russia consolidate its influence)?
Well it was illegal under international law etc. But the usa do what they fookin like.
...unlike the Russians of course
The Russian's were invited in by Assad weren't they?
Is that chemical bomb Assad, does that make it right for the Russians to support him? Interesting moral view...
Say what you like about Assad but he is the only legitimate leader in Syria.
Sorry, but morals are important, its like integrity...
Who else would run the country then?
ISIS?
I'd say better the devil you know.
...lets agree and stay in the EU then!
Is there any prospect of ISIS taking over the UK or part of the EU if we leave? Because if Assad was removed in Syria and left a vacuum then ISIS would attempt to fill it (as Al-Qaida and ISIS did in Iraq when Saddam Hussain was removed and left a vacuum). Comparing uk leaving the EU to Assad leaving Syria has to be one of the most idiotic comparisons I've ever seen on here and I've seen a fair few. "
You’ve made a fair few of them, so you are probably a fair judge now. But if you make a statement and someone plays it back to you then perhaps recognise the flaw in your argument as opposed to always being critical of the other person? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
Just shows every leader, or dictator in the world, that they were correct, trump doesn't know anything about international affairs, or supporting your allies.
It also shows everyone in the world that trump is a putin puppet.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Is this a smart move or will it just let ISIS re-establish (and Russia consolidate its influence)?
Well it was illegal under international law etc. But the usa do what they fookin like.
...unlike the Russians of course
The Russian's were invited in by Assad weren't they?
Is that chemical bomb Assad, does that make it right for the Russians to support him? Interesting moral view..."
There is evidence the "moderates" staged incidents to attract the west to react. Not saying any side is squeaky clean but don't beleive all you see on tv without being objective.
Btw, when isis were retreating into syria, western forces did nothing, letting them invade syria, so we arnt as saintly as you think |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
A dew weeks back I pointed out that this has all been about the russians getting a foothold in the Mediterranean and if you look at the bigger picture and are of a cynical mindset you might just think that this is POTUS fulfilling his debts to Putin before he is impeached. As for assad, he was educated here so no doubt has friends in high places who regard him as the lesser of two evils |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"A dew weeks back I pointed out that this has all been about the russians getting a foothold in the Mediterranean and if you look at the bigger picture and are of a cynical mindset you might just think that this is POTUS fulfilling his debts to Putin before he is impeached. As for assad, he was educated here so no doubt has friends in high places who regard him as the lesser of two evils"
Haha! Cynical sminical!
Hows this? : usa pulls out, hoping syria collapes tosally, allowing zn excuse for the usa yo invade the whole country via iraq, getting control of the oil fields there too  |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"A dew weeks back I pointed out that this has all been about the russians getting a foothold in the Mediterranean and if you look at the bigger picture and are of a cynical mindset you might just think that this is POTUS fulfilling his debts to Putin before he is impeached. As for assad, he was educated here so no doubt has friends in high places who regard him as the lesser of two evils
Haha! Cynical sminical!
Hows this? : usa pulls out, hoping syria collapes tosally, allowing zn excuse for the usa yo invade the whole country via iraq, getting control of the oil fields there too "
You've forgotten the tiny fact that Vlad has his shit there, the USA won't be getting their hands on fuck all Syrian with The Great Bear present |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"A dew weeks back I pointed out that this has all been about the russians getting a foothold in the Mediterranean and if you look at the bigger picture and are of a cynical mindset you might just think that this is POTUS fulfilling his debts to Putin before he is impeached. As for assad, he was educated here so no doubt has friends in high places who regard him as the lesser of two evils
Haha! Cynical sminical!
Hows this? : usa pulls out, hoping syria collapes tosally, allowing zn excuse for the usa yo invade the whole country via iraq, getting control of the oil fields there too
You've forgotten the tiny fact that Vlad has his shit there, the USA won't be getting their hands on fuck all Syrian with The Great Bear present "
If they charge across the desert, with trump in the lead vehicle shouting "faster faster while holding onto his quiff.. They might make it!
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"A dew weeks back I pointed out that this has all been about the russians getting a foothold in the Mediterranean and if you look at the bigger picture and are of a cynical mindset you might just think that this is POTUS fulfilling his debts to Putin before he is impeached. As for assad, he was educated here so no doubt has friends in high places who regard him as the lesser of two evils
Haha! Cynical sminical!
Hows this? : usa pulls out, hoping syria collapes tosally, allowing zn excuse for the usa yo invade the whole country via iraq, getting control of the oil fields there too "
Interesting thought but turn it around a bit and start looking at how the russians control much of the gas coming to Europe and how much more pressure they could exert if they potentially could blocade the alternative routes via suez for liquid gas tankers! Putin is a very clever and far thinking leader and has a level of strategic thought that outpaces every other world leader hence his helping the Donald into power and his destabilising of the EU by backing Brexit. Some of the poster boys for pro brexit really ought to look a little further than our shores to see whats going on. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago
on the hill NordWest of |
It leaves the Kurds in Syria completely unprotected to attacks from the military forces of Syria, Turkey and Iran. A clear betrayal by the US towards the Kurds which most likely will result in a high blood toll.  |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"A dew weeks back I pointed out that this has all been about the russians getting a foothold in the Mediterranean and if you look at the bigger picture and are of a cynical mindset you might just think that this is POTUS fulfilling his debts to Putin before he is impeached. As for assad, he was educated here so no doubt has friends in high places who regard him as the lesser of two evils
Haha! Cynical sminical!
Hows this? : usa pulls out, hoping syria collapes tosally, allowing zn excuse for the usa yo invade the whole country via iraq, getting control of the oil fields there too
Interesting thought but turn it around a bit and start looking at how the russians control much of the gas coming to Europe and how much more pressure they could exert if they potentially could blocade the alternative routes via suez for liquid gas tankers! Putin is a very clever and far thinking leader and has a level of strategic thought that outpaces every other world leader hence his helping the Donald into power and his destabilising of the EU by backing Brexit. Some of the poster boys for pro brexit really ought to look a little further than our shores to see whats going on. "
Actually, i reckon we should trade more with Russia  |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"It leaves the Kurds in Syria completely unprotected to attacks from the military forces of Syria, Turkey and Iran. A clear betrayal by the US towards the Kurds which most likely will result in a high blood toll. "
The Kurds will fight on.They've known for a long time you can't trust the US.The are well armed and have a good friend in Israel. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
The United States are also looking at halfing the amount of troops in Afghanistan. The Taliban control almost half of the country, they're stronger now than they have been since 2001. Attacks are a daily thing against security forces.
They have learnt nothing from Vietnam and if Trump wants to leave both Syria and Afghanistan then so be it..He didn't start either wars. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"A dew weeks back I pointed out that this has all been about the russians getting a foothold in the Mediterranean and if you look at the bigger picture and are of a cynical mindset you might just think that this is POTUS fulfilling his debts to Putin before he is impeached. As for assad, he was educated here so no doubt has friends in high places who regard him as the lesser of two evils
Haha! Cynical sminical!
Hows this? : usa pulls out, hoping syria collapes tosally, allowing zn excuse for the usa yo invade the whole country via iraq, getting control of the oil fields there too
You've forgotten the tiny fact that Vlad has his shit there, the USA won't be getting their hands on fuck all Syrian with The Great Bear present
If they charge across the desert, with trump in the lead vehicle shouting "faster faster while holding onto his quiff.. They might make it!
"
It'd be beautiful, just beautiful |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
upton wirral |
"Is this a smart move or will it just let ISIS re-establish (and Russia consolidate its influence)?
Well it was illegal under international law etc. But the usa do what they fookin like anyway.
"
In all fairness international law is a farce all countries do as they like either on there own or manipulating the UN |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
upton wirral |
"It's just Russia cashing in its investment before Trump gets indited for treason. Shame the Kurds have to pay the price for the total corruption of US politics by the GOP."
Vivid imagination lol
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"When America gets involved in these middle eastern conflicts people say they shouldn't be there, when they pull out people criticize them for that as well, and prob the same people"
True.
But the problem is when the US projects political power through the use of offensive military capability it destroys the political mechanisms that are the foundations of a stable establishment and society. If then the US (as it continually does) withdraws without completing the process of nation building, the policing and political vacuum they produce leads to another failed state and decades of regional instability that in turn becomes a perfect breading ground for resentment that international terrorists in turn exploit. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"When America gets involved in these middle eastern conflicts people say they shouldn't be there, when they pull out people criticize them for that as well, and prob the same people
True.
But the problem is when the US projects political power through the use of offensive military capability it destroys the political mechanisms that are the foundations of a stable establishment and society. If then the US (as it continually does) withdraws without completing the process of nation building, the policing and political vacuum they produce leads to another failed state and decades of regional instability that in turn becomes a perfect breading ground for resentment that international terrorists in turn exploit."
They're not leaving a vacuum in Syria though. Assad is still in control there. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"They're not leaving a vacuum in Syria though. Assad is still in control there. "
Tell that to the Kurds who are looking at a perfect storm of Trump's making...
And how long do you think it will be until the Kurd children who survive the oncoming genocide come looking for payback from the US and their close allies? Of course when the attacks start happening in 6/7/8/9 years time you will be shouting about how the killers are ungrateful shits that we rescued from Syria rather than they are the slow motion fallout from Trump's hubristic gut and his subservience to one Vladimir Putin.
Pee pee tape anyone? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"They're not leaving a vacuum in Syria though. Assad is still in control there.
Tell that to the Kurds who are looking at a perfect storm of Trump's making...
And how long do you think it will be until the Kurd children who survive the oncoming genocide come looking for payback from the US and their close allies? Of course when the attacks start happening in 6/7/8/9 years time you will be shouting about how the killers are ungrateful shits that we rescued from Syria rather than they are the slow motion fallout from Trump's hubristic gut and his subservience to one Vladimir Putin.
Pee pee tape anyone? "
come looking for payback lol the USA arnt the protectors of the world |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"When America gets involved in these middle eastern conflicts people say they shouldn't be there, when they pull out people criticize them for that as well, and prob the same people
True.
But the problem is when the US projects political power through the use of offensive military capability it destroys the political mechanisms that are the foundations of a stable establishment and society. If then the US (as it continually does) withdraws without completing the process of nation building, the policing and political vacuum they produce leads to another failed state and decades of regional instability that in turn becomes a perfect breading ground for resentment that international terrorists in turn exploit."
If we were to go with the conspiracies for a minute, this is what the USA wants right or more so the military industrial complex or what ever it is they call it. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"If we were to go with the conspiracies for a minute, this is what the USA wants right or more so the military industrial complex or what ever it is they call it."
You may have a point...
After all the petrochemical industry is happy to poison the planet for an extra buck, so why not incentivize another generation of mass murderers if it increases profits? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"If we were to go with the conspiracies for a minute, this is what the USA wants right or more so the military industrial complex or what ever it is they call it.
You may have a point...
After all the petrochemical industry is happy to poison the planet for an extra buck, so why not incentivize another generation of mass murderers if it increases profits?"
I prob watch to much tv and YouTube videos but apparently dick chaney is the devil incarnate and apparently Hillary Clinton is as blood thirsty as they come, just Google killary Clinton |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"the us were not just there keeping a check on isis, russia syria and iran, they were also there protecting the kurds
horrendous move which is why Defense Secretary mattis quit.....
the "resignation" letter is Brutal..... basically the last "adult in the room" let in the middle of a trump temper tantrum"
It’s a dreadful move. The Kurds were responsible for fighting IS and now they have been left high and dry. Turkey will take every opportunity to escalate their offensive and it’ll strengthen the other player’s hands. Not only will it mean the rise of IS again world-wide but it will also make dire enemies of allies there. At some point, maybe 2-3 years from now, the US will have to go back in and now who will trust them? Trump has weakened the US, the Middle East and completely blown any security issues in the area to hell. He is unhinged. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
What Trump and his cronies don’t get is tha.t negotiating talks and military presence go hand in hand. The guy who resigned got that. Trump does not understand or even want to learn, about politics on the world stage, as opposed to Politics in the US |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"the us were not just there keeping a check on isis, russia syria and iran, they were also there protecting the kurds
horrendous move which is why Defense Secretary mattis quit.....
the "resignation" letter is Brutal..... basically the last "adult in the room" let in the middle of a trump temper tantrum
It’s a dreadful move. The Kurds were responsible for fighting IS and now they have been left high and dry. Turkey will take every opportunity to escalate their offensive and it’ll strengthen the other player’s hands. Not only will it mean the rise of IS again world-wide but it will also make dire enemies of allies there. At some point, maybe 2-3 years from now, the US will have to go back in and now who will trust them? Trump has weakened the US, the Middle East and completely blown any security issues in the area to hell. He is unhinged."
so all the troubles in the Middle East are down to the USA you’d do know that region have been killing eachother for ever and does anyone think the USA can stop that just get out leave them to it it’s what they do the west will never save the Middle East it’s up to them to solve there own problems |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
It’s not a playground scrap where consequences stay within the walls; this move will have ramifications throughout the rest of the world not to mention destruction of the Kurds and escalation of fighting by other factions eg Turkey, filling the void, or taking the opportunity, depending on your viewpoint. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
» Add a new message to this topic
