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"Just been made clear on the tv a no deal ,planes will still fly to Europe under a 20 y/o agreement the pilots will have to change their licence to an eu one which is just administrative but planes can fly to europe from the uk they just cant continue on to another european country.for eg cant stop in madrid then go on to milan,but can stop in europe and fly on to a non eu country.So all those so called experts who were telling us on here a few months ago that air travel would come to a halt were wrong." It was always obvious to anyone with half a brain or any basic common sense planes would keep flying even in the event of no deal. Only the idiotic remoaners believed the over hyped nonsensical scaremongering of Project fear that planes would be grounded.  | |||
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"been looking at old posts now waiting to see who replies. "oh i will........ see... that agreement only relates to the pilots.... it doesn't relate to the planes!!!!! 
so "at the point in time".... unless UK safety and maintenance records" are recognised and ratified by other EU countries" (which the Dft are still working on but certainly not agreed) then planes won't be allowed to fly........
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"i suggest you watch the news mate as you obviously know more than the people from the eu they are interviewing and explaining the situation on a no deal scenario.Sorry im just going by people whos job it is to know this shit." actually.... you need to know what is happening... The European Commission has said that in the case of a no deal, they would propose measures to protect [flying] rights, which the UK has reciprocated it is still going to be country dependent which means that France for example could still not allow UK aircraft over french airspace......... | |||
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"thanks there you go then planes will be flying on the 30th in the event of a no deal which was my original post" no... not all planes!!!!!!!! plane will fly to keep a basic and minimal level.... my god you spin some shite........ | |||
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"that is not a "everything will remain as is" costa.... that is a "we will keep a BASIC service"..... they actually use the word "BASIC" and "MINIMAL" so.... costa... this turd you keep trying to polish??? not really that nice and shiny!" im not trying to polish anything just pointing out all the scaremongering was in vain and it was pretty obvious that it was in no ones interest to ground planes.Im not saying its going to be the same just that planes will fly . | |||
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"thanks there you go then planes will be flying on the 30th in the event of a no deal which was my original post no... not all planes!!!!!!!! plane will fly to keep a basic and minimal level.... my god you spin some shite........" who said all planes???????? not spinning any shit just pointing out the hours you spent scaremongering was a waist of your time and anyone with any sense knew that planes would fly. | |||
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"well i repeat i think you should get on to the bbc oh and also andrew marr and tell them they are spreading false news." I'm not saying you are wrong at all here but after the misinformation news outlets have been guilty of I wouldn't take anything they say as red without going to the source of "said" article's. | |||
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"well i repeat i think you should get on to the bbc oh and also andrew marr and tell them they are spreading false news. I'm not saying you are wrong at all here but after the misinformation news outlets have been guilty of I wouldn't take anything they say as red without going to the source of "said" article's." don't worry..andy costa is cheering the fact that the flight service to the EU won't be as good on march 30th as it is on march 29th!!!! thats the brexiteers "victory" these days...... | |||
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"thanks there you go then planes will be flying on the 30th in the event of a no deal which was my original post no... not all planes!!!!!!!! plane will fly to keep a basic and minimal level.... my god you spin some shite........ who said all planes???????? not spinning any shit just pointing out the hours you spent scaremongering was a waist of your time and anyone with any sense knew that planes would fly." So I'm guessing a possible vastly reduced flight service is now classed as a BREXIT win
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Flights should be sorted out hopefully. I've never got into the flight threads as I don't know enough about them but from memory Remainers said with no agreements then flights would be grounded.
Leavers said flights won't be grounded without any agreements
So it looks like some form of agreement needs to happen just to retain basic and minimal levels and much larger agreements required for full service.
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"well i repeat i think you should get on to the bbc oh and also andrew marr and tell them they are spreading false news. I'm not saying you are wrong at all here but after the misinformation news outlets have been guilty of I wouldn't take anything they say as red without going to the source of "said" article's. don't worry..andy costa is cheering the fact that the flight service to the EU won't be as good on march 30th as it is on march 29th!!!! thats the brexiteers "victory" these days......" Yes, something that only turns out shite instead of a catastrophy is a BREXIT win | |||
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"well i repeat i think you should get on to the bbc oh and also andrew marr and tell them they are spreading false news. I'm not saying you are wrong at all here but after the misinformation news outlets have been guilty of I wouldn't take anything they say as red without going to the source of "said" article's. don't worry..andy costa is cheering the fact that the flight service to the EU won't be as good on march 30th as it is on march 29th!!!! thats the brexiteers "victory" these days...... Yes, something that only turns out shite instead of a catastrophy is a BREXIT win "nobody is saying its a brexit win im just saying you were all talking shit before and should at least take a bit of pleasure that the disaster you predicted hasnt happened for the time being and im sure in time a better agreement can be reached. | |||
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"that is not a "everything will remain as is" costa.... that is a "we will keep a BASIC service"..... they actually use the word "BASIC" and "MINIMAL" so.... costa... this turd you keep trying to polish??? not really that nice and shiny!" Thats a world away from what you were saying a few weeks ago that all planes would be grounded in the event of no deal. Maybe now project reality has slapped you flush in the face instead of the bullshit project fear you were peddling on here a few weeks ago. I think you should apologise for the fake news, bullshit and verbal diarrhoea that was falling out of your mouth several weeks ago as it's clear now planes won't be grounded. | |||
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"well i repeat i think you should get on to the bbc oh and also andrew marr and tell them they are spreading false news. I'm not saying you are wrong at all here but after the misinformation news outlets have been guilty of I wouldn't take anything they say as red without going to the source of "said" article's. don't worry..andy costa is cheering the fact that the flight service to the EU won't be as good on march 30th as it is on march 29th!!!! thats the brexiteers "victory" these days...... Yes, something that only turns out shite instead of a catastrophy is a BREXIT win nobody is saying its a brexit win im just saying you were all talking shit before and should at least take a bit of pleasure that the disaster you predicted hasnt happened for the time being and im sure in time a better agreement can be reached."costa Fabio as been talking about these flights all yr now there’s a slim chance he may be right but I doubt it time will tell he said similar stuff about huge waiting times at airports the cost of visas but when a leaver says anything he calls it project fear btw I think these visas are something like £6 odd for 3 yrs lol | |||
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"that is not a "everything will remain as is" costa.... that is a "we will keep a BASIC service"..... they actually use the word "BASIC" and "MINIMAL" so.... costa... this turd you keep trying to polish??? not really that nice and shiny! Thats a world away from what you were saying a few weeks ago that all planes would be grounded in the event of no deal. Maybe now project reality has slapped you flush in the face instead of the bullshit project fear you were peddling on here a few weeks ago. I think you should apologise for the fake news, bullshit and verbal diarrhoea that was falling out of your mouth several weeks ago as it's clear now planes won't be grounded. " Which just goes to show you shouldn't listen to people who wear handkerchiefs on their head, lol! | |||
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"An acknowledgement therefore that Brexit will be damaging to this sector. Like everything else about Brexit, it is damage limitation. There is no good news. But when the news is just bad rather than awful, it becomes some sort of success. The madness of nationalism." We are now in the realms of if it isnt a catastrophe it must be a triumph. We appear to be recalibrating the good - bad spectrum | |||
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"that is not a "everything will remain as is" costa.... that is a "we will keep a BASIC service"..... they actually use the word "BASIC" and "MINIMAL" so.... costa... this turd you keep trying to polish??? not really that nice and shiny! Thats a world away from what you were saying a few weeks ago that all planes would be grounded in the event of no deal. Maybe now project reality has slapped you flush in the face instead of the bullshit project fear you were peddling on here a few weeks ago. I think you should apologise for the fake news, bullshit and verbal diarrhoea that was falling out of your mouth several weeks ago as it's clear now planes won't be grounded. " Well yes apart from the fact this is a deal. | |||
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"Co-operation and goodwill required. Characteristics sadly lacking among Brextremists." But it is leavers that have been saying flights would carry on as both sides would want trade and tourism to continue despite the political clap trap, lots of remainers said flights would stop,pilots wouldnt be able to fly and planes would be grounded due to safety certs not being valid. I dont call the leavers view lacking in goodwill and co operation, its just the purely logicall view and at last the eu have blinked and said its pretty much business as usual but worded it so it doesnt look like a climb down. Another words common sense has prevailed, and no doubt more such statements will be forth coming in the next few weeks as we head towards the no deal brexit | |||
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"that is not a "everything will remain as is" costa.... that is a "we will keep a BASIC service"..... they actually use the word "BASIC" and "MINIMAL" so.... costa... this turd you keep trying to polish??? not really that nice and shiny! Thats a world away from what you were saying a few weeks ago that all planes would be grounded in the event of no deal. Maybe now project reality has slapped you flush in the face instead of the bullshit project fear you were peddling on here a few weeks ago. I think you should apologise for the fake news, bullshit and verbal diarrhoea that was falling out of your mouth several weeks ago as it's clear now planes won't be grounded. " When is a deal not a deal? To maintain the flow of aviation, a deal is required. No deal means no deal. | |||
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" Yes, something that only turns out shite instead of a catastrophy is a BREXIT win
nobody is saying its a brexit win im just saying you were all talking shit before and should at least take a bit of pleasure that the disaster you predicted hasnt happened for the time being and im sure in time a better agreement can be reached."Nice big fat generalisation there
I've never posted about flights being stopped, never, nor have I ever predicted ANYTHING about flights post BREXIT. Oh, I'm a remainer so I must have  | |||
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"that is not a "everything will remain as is" costa.... that is a "we will keep a BASIC service"..... they actually use the word "BASIC" and "MINIMAL" so.... costa... this turd you keep trying to polish??? not really that nice and shiny! Thats a world away from what you were saying a few weeks ago that all planes would be grounded in the event of no deal. Maybe now project reality has slapped you flush in the face instead of the bullshit project fear you were peddling on here a few weeks ago. I think you should apologise for the fake news, bullshit and verbal diarrhoea that was falling out of your mouth several weeks ago as it's clear now planes won't be grounded. When is a deal not a deal? To maintain the flow of aviation, a deal is required. No deal means no deal." Sounds like we'll be getting a deal as part of our no deal scenario as it's going so brexiteers can ignore the deal part of the no deal scenario and use their new found alternative fact to beat people about the head with saying we have no deal and look up there....a plane | |||
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"i suggest you watch the news mate as you obviously know more than the people from the eu they are interviewing and explaining the situation on a no deal scenario.Sorry im just going by people whos job it is to know this shit. actually.... you need to know what is happening... The European Commission has said that in the case of a no deal, they would propose measures to protect [flying] rights, which the UK has reciprocated it is still going to be country dependent which means that France for example could still not allow UK aircraft over french airspace........." I think this is more scaremongering. What about aircraft flying to Europe from America, brazil etc.. We should be treated the same as any other country flying in from outside the EU | |||
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"i suggest you watch the news mate as you obviously know more than the people from the eu they are interviewing and explaining the situation on a no deal scenario.Sorry im just going by people whos job it is to know this shit. actually.... you need to know what is happening... The European Commission has said that in the case of a no deal, they would propose measures to protect [flying] rights, which the UK has reciprocated it is still going to be country dependent which means that France for example could still not allow UK aircraft over french airspace......... I think this is more scaremongering. What about aircraft flying to Europe from America, brazil etc.. We should be treated the same as any other country flying in from outside the EU " All down to negotiation - like the one we been having for the last two years! | |||
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"i suggest you watch the news mate as you obviously know more than the people from the eu they are interviewing and explaining the situation on a no deal scenario.Sorry im just going by people whos job it is to know this shit. actually.... you need to know what is happening... The European Commission has said that in the case of a no deal, they would propose measures to protect [flying] rights, which the UK has reciprocated it is still going to be country dependent which means that France for example could still not allow UK aircraft over french airspace......... I think this is more scaremongering. What about aircraft flying to Europe from America, brazil etc.. We should be treated the same as any other country flying in from outside the EU All down to negotiation - like the one we been having for the last two years!" I agree. Its all down to negotiations. The EU are being obtuse, its their brinkmanship attitude we should call them out on it. Playing tbrir hand like the way they are only harms themselves too | |||
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"my god... again, read the statement from the European Commission.... Transport The Commission has today adopted two measures that will avoid full interruption of air traffic between the EU and the UK in the event of no deal. These measures will only ensure basic connectivity and in no means replicate the significant advantages of membership of the Single European Sky. This is subject to the UK conferring equivalent rights to EU air carriers, as well as the UK ensuring conditions of fair competition. A proposal for a Regulation to ensure temporarily (for 12 months) the provision of certain air services between the UK and the EU. A proposal for a Regulation to extend temporarily (for 9 months) the validity of certain aviation safety licences The Commission has also adopted a proposal for a Regulation to allow UK operators to temporarily (nine months) carry goods into the EU, provided the UK confers equivalent rights to EU road haulage operators and subject to fair competition conditions." Well thats all dandy _abio. A few posts earlier your saying aircraft safety certificates wouldn't be valid. So, in the meantime we negotiate flights to and from the eu just like any other external country. Jees!  | |||
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"i suggest you watch the news mate as you obviously know more than the people from the eu they are interviewing and explaining the situation on a no deal scenario.Sorry im just going by people whos job it is to know this shit. actually.... you need to know what is happening... The European Commission has said that in the case of a no deal, they would propose measures to protect [flying] rights, which the UK has reciprocated it is still going to be country dependent which means that France for example could still not allow UK aircraft over french airspace......... I think this is more scaremongering. What about aircraft flying to Europe from America, brazil etc.. We should be treated the same as any other country flying in from outside the EU All down to negotiation - like the one we been having for the last two years!" Yes, and look how well we are doing at that
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"my god... again, read the statement from the European Commission.... Well thats all dandy _abio. A few posts earlier your saying aircraft safety certificates wouldn't be valid. So, in the meantime we negotiate flights to and from the eu just like any other external country. Jees! " | |||
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"The certificates issued by EASA to UK aviation are no longer valid from 11pm on March 29 because EU law no longer applies in the UK." Well hopefully there is time to negotiate as an external country before the deadline, and the EU don't hold grudges and be grown up with us in making a deal | |||
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"Sorry Costa, but I have to say it... you are a moron. You just said "In the event of a no deal"..... then described a deal. The EU have just given us a deal on aviation (if we reciprocate). The thing you just described is a deal. It is a negotiation on our aviation rights. Well, half a negotiation at the moment, as far as I can see the UK need to agree to reciprocate for it to be valid. This pattern just keeps getting repeated with hardline brexiteers "We want no deal! Let's just crash out! Up yours, EU!" but don't worry, we'll sort something out. Our government will sort something out. Sorting something out is a getting a deal! That is the very definition of it. And as we have seen, this deal is significantly worse that the previous deal we had as a member of the EU. And it is only temporary. But don't worry, I'm sure Davis said this would all be really simple to sort out. Don't worry your pretty little head. -Matt" FFS, listen to the language the EU themselves are using, they said in the event of no deal we will keep planes flying!!!! | |||
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" FFS, listen to the language the EU themselves are using, they said in the event of no deal we will keep planes flying!!!!" they said "Basic and minimal" but not to the level of European open skies.... so you are taking a worse deal then we have at the moment as a win!!! yey less planes!!!!!!!! | |||
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" FFS, listen to the language the EU themselves are using, they said in the event of no deal we will keep planes flying!!!! they said "Basic and minimal" but not to the level of European open skies.... so you are taking a worse deal then we have at the moment as a win!!! yey less planes!!!!!!!! "So you're admitting project reality has slapped you full square in the face and you've dropped the bullshit project fear scaremongering that all planes will be grounded now then. Glad to hear it. | |||
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"The other hit is that UK airlines will not be allowed to compete on non-UK routes within the single market for aviation. Only countries registered in the EU27 + 4 can compete on European routes." Ryanair is registered in the Rep. of Ireland, and operates mainly UK routes, so they can continue to operate mainly UK routes while still competing. Nothing has changed as far as Ryanair are concerned then. | |||
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"Ryanair is not a UK airline" Thats what i said above, registered in Rep. of Ireland. The vast majority of their flights are UK flights though. | |||
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And the Brexiteers on here who want no deal, the ones salivating over such an eventuality are now happy that in this area a deal albeit temporary etc is being done..?
Make their bloody minds up.. | |||
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"To summarise, something needed to be facilitated to keep things moving.. Makes no deal look even more not likely now then..
And the Brexiteers on here who want no deal, the ones salivating over such an eventuality are now happy that in this area a deal albeit temporary etc is being done..?
Make their bloody minds up.. "I think the phrase you are looking for is a managed no deal exit, which is the correct terminology to use in this instance. | |||
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"Ryanair is not a UK airline Thats what i said above, registered in Rep. of Ireland. The vast majority of their flights are UK flights though. " Yes. And because Ireland remains in the EU, EU aviation law continues to apply to Ryanair. That is not the case with Easyjet and Flybe. Both operate on non-UK routes across Europe. Easyjet does operate subsidiaries out of Switzerland and Austria, but I am uncertain of the implications. I did look it up a while ago but cannot remember the answer now. | |||
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"Sorry Costa, but I have to say it... you are a moron. You just said "In the event of a no deal"..... then described a deal. The EU have just given us a deal on aviation (if we reciprocate). The thing you just described is a deal. It is a negotiation on our aviation rights. Well, half a negotiation at the moment, as far as I can see the UK need to agree to reciprocate for it to be valid. This pattern just keeps getting repeated with hardline brexiteers "We want no deal! Let's just crash out! Up yours, EU!" but don't worry, we'll sort something out. Our government will sort something out. Sorting something out is a getting a deal! That is the very definition of it. And as we have seen, this deal is significantly worse that the previous deal we had as a member of the EU. And it is only temporary. But don't worry, I'm sure Davis said this would all be really simple to sort out. Don't worry your pretty little head. -Matt" A moron? what you have to result in insults now i think you know very well what i meant and are being pedantic so i will repeat if we crash out the planes will still fly.I really think all you scaremongers would love to see them grounded just so you can say you were right.Im not gloating and know its not as good as if we were in the eu but there were always going to be prices to pay for getting shot of all those leaches and im sure eventually they will come to a mutual agreement that is beneficial for both sides.Fabio nobody is claiming a victory here just clarifying all that talk a few weeks ago was scaremongering which seems to me thats all remainers do it must be a sad life always looking on the bleak side. | |||
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"The planes keep flying if there is a deal. They don’t if there isn’t. It’s really not too difficult." You need to sit in the shade and watch the news instead of getting your info from the daily mirror.Was stated today by a dutch eu member if the uk crash out with no deal they will revert to a 20 y/o agreement that keeps the planes flying from the uk to europe but uk planes cant fly from one European city to another. | |||
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"The planes keep flying if there is a deal. They don’t if there isn’t. It’s really not too difficult." Tell the EU to change their wording then. They said today planes will keep flying in a no deal scenario. These are the EU's "No Deal contingency plans". The correct term the EU should be using is a managed no deal exit. | |||
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"Sorry Costa, but I have to say it... you are a moron. You just said "In the event of a no deal"..... then described a deal. The EU have just given us a deal on aviation (if we reciprocate). The thing you just described is a deal. It is a negotiation on our aviation rights. Well, half a negotiation at the moment, as far as I can see the UK need to agree to reciprocate for it to be valid. This pattern just keeps getting repeated with hardline brexiteers "We want no deal! Let's just crash out! Up yours, EU!" but don't worry, we'll sort something out. Our government will sort something out. Sorting something out is a getting a deal! That is the very definition of it. And as we have seen, this deal is significantly worse that the previous deal we had as a member of the EU. And it is only temporary. But don't worry, I'm sure Davis said this would all be really simple to sort out. Don't worry your pretty little head. -Matt FFS, listen to the language the EU themselves are using, they said in the event of no deal we will keep planes flying!!!!" Yes, exactly. On the condition of.... ie it is a deal. Why is this so hard for you to understand? -Matt | |||
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"To summarise, something needed to be facilitated to keep things moving.. Makes no deal look even more not likely now then..
And the Brexiteers on here who want no deal, the ones salivating over such an eventuality are now happy that in this area a deal albeit temporary etc is being done..?
Make their bloody minds up..
I think the phrase you are looking for is a managed no deal exit, which is the correct terminology to use in this instance. "Oh come on centy, 'managed' 
Hardly an accurate description..
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"Sorry Costa, but I have to say it... you are a moron. You just said "In the event of a no deal"..... then described a deal. The EU have just given us a deal on aviation (if we reciprocate). The thing you just described is a deal. It is a negotiation on our aviation rights. Well, half a negotiation at the moment, as far as I can see the UK need to agree to reciprocate for it to be valid. This pattern just keeps getting repeated with hardline brexiteers "We want no deal! Let's just crash out! Up yours, EU!" but don't worry, we'll sort something out. Our government will sort something out. Sorting something out is a getting a deal! That is the very definition of it. And as we have seen, this deal is significantly worse that the previous deal we had as a member of the EU. And it is only temporary. But don't worry, I'm sure Davis said this would all be really simple to sort out. Don't worry your pretty little head. -Matt FFS, listen to the language the EU themselves are using, they said in the event of no deal we will keep planes flying!!!! Yes, exactly. On the condition of.... ie it is a deal. Why is this so hard for you to understand? -Matt" wrong now whos a moron? | |||
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"Sorry Costa, but I have to say it... you are a moron. You just said "In the event of a no deal"..... then described a deal. The EU have just given us a deal on aviation (if we reciprocate). The thing you just described is a deal. It is a negotiation on our aviation rights. Well, half a negotiation at the moment, as far as I can see the UK need to agree to reciprocate for it to be valid. This pattern just keeps getting repeated with hardline brexiteers "We want no deal! Let's just crash out! Up yours, EU!" but don't worry, we'll sort something out. Our government will sort something out. Sorting something out is a getting a deal! That is the very definition of it. And as we have seen, this deal is significantly worse that the previous deal we had as a member of the EU. And it is only temporary. But don't worry, I'm sure Davis said this would all be really simple to sort out. Don't worry your pretty little head. -MattA moron? what you have to result in insults now i think you know very well what i meant and are being pedantic so i will repeat if we crash out the planes will still fly.I really think all you scaremongers would love to see them grounded just so you can say you were right.Im not gloating and know its not as good as if we were in the eu but there were always going to be prices to pay for getting shot of all those leaches and im sure eventually they will come to a mutual agreement that is beneficial for both sides.Fabio nobody is claiming a victory here just clarifying all that talk a few weeks ago was scaremongering which seems to me thats all remainers do it must be a sad life always looking on the bleak side." Fake news to now suggest that remainers want the chaos that may ensue and the worsening of the relationship we will have post whatever the deal is.. It's what we voted to try and avoid remember.. | |||
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"The planes keep flying if there is a deal. They don’t if there isn’t. It’s really not too difficult. Tell the EU to change their wording then. They said today planes will keep flying in a no deal scenario. These are the EU's "No Deal contingency plans". The correct term the EU should be using is a managed no deal exit. " Let’s add that one to the list of nomenclature. When do we know exactly what’s on a managed no deal exit ? Before the vote I’d hope. As while it sounds positive it’s as ambiguous as no deal (because it shows that we were only talking about trade agreements when we meant deal). | |||
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"Fabio nobody is claiming a victory here just clarifying all that talk a few weeks ago was scaremongering which seems to me thats all remainers do it must be a sad life always looking on the bleak side." no costa.... what you basically did in this thread is mock people because it now looks like it might not be as bad as the worst case situation (heaven forbid that the european commission may not have been as charitable if the govt had done what the ERG and hard line brexiteers had wanted them to do with was renege on the legally owed 39 bn) so before you try and take your victory lap and point score.. quick question: according to the EC press release... will the flight service be as good on march 30th as it will be on march 29th? yes or no!!! simple answer will do.... so you keep celebrating the simple admission that the deal will we have post march 29th will not be as good as the deal we have now! (which is kind of the whole bloody point!!!) as i said before you are taking a "victory lap" over a grenade you are holding only blowing off a couple of fingers, rather than it taking out your entire hand! | |||
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"Fabio nobody is claiming a victory here just clarifying all that talk a few weeks ago was scaremongering which seems to me thats all remainers do it must be a sad life always looking on the bleak side. no costa.... what you basically did in this thread is mock people because it now looks like it might not be as bad as the worst case situation (heaven forbid that the european commission may not have been as charitable if the govt had done what the ERG and hard line brexiteers had wanted them to do with was renege on the legally owed 39 bn) so before you try and take your victory lap and point score.. quick question: according to the EC press release... will the flight service be as good on march 30th as it will be on march 29th? yes or no!!! simple answer will do.... so you keep celebrating the simple admission that the deal will we have post march 29th will not be as good as the deal we have now! (which is kind of the whole bloody point!!!) as i said before you are taking a "victory lap" over a grenade you are holding only blowing off a couple of fingers, rather than it taking out your entire hand!" As i have said before its not about winning or losing read my previous threads the answer is no it wont be as good but its a price we have to pay to get away from those leaches in brussels. But answer me this did you not say all planes will be grounded in the event we crash out? and go into alot of tech jargon the reason why?.All i was pointing out was what was on the news at the time and everyone can stop worrying about their holidays because people like you were causing alot of doubt with all the techy reasons why they wouldnt beable to fly.As i said before no ones gloating its just clarity. | |||
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"Sorry Costa, but I have to say it... you are a moron. You just said "In the event of a no deal"..... then described a deal. The EU have just given us a deal on aviation (if we reciprocate). The thing you just described is a deal. It is a negotiation on our aviation rights. Well, half a negotiation at the moment, as far as I can see the UK need to agree to reciprocate for it to be valid. This pattern just keeps getting repeated with hardline brexiteers "We want no deal! Let's just crash out! Up yours, EU!" but don't worry, we'll sort something out. Our government will sort something out. Sorting something out is a getting a deal! That is the very definition of it. And as we have seen, this deal is significantly worse that the previous deal we had as a member of the EU. And it is only temporary. But don't worry, I'm sure Davis said this would all be really simple to sort out. Don't worry your pretty little head. -Matt FFS, listen to the language the EU themselves are using, they said in the event of no deal we will keep planes flying!!!! Yes, exactly. On the condition of.... ie it is a deal. Why is this so hard for you to understand? -Matt" I understand it perfectly well thanks. It seems you're arguing here for arguments sake and you're being pedantic about the slightest wording. It's people like Fabio who were spreading scaremongering shit on here just a few short weeks ago about planes being grounded who are now trying to weasel out of what they said now the EU has said today that project fear is false. Project reality is planes won't be grounded and will keep flying, even in a no deal scenario where May's withdrawal agreement is rejected. | |||
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"To summarise, something needed to be facilitated to keep things moving.. Makes no deal look even more not likely now then..
And the Brexiteers on here who want no deal, the ones salivating over such an eventuality are now happy that in this area a deal albeit temporary etc is being done..?
Make their bloody minds up..
I think the phrase you are looking for is a managed no deal exit, which is the correct terminology to use in this instance.
Oh come on centy, 'managed'
Hardly an accurate description..
A managed no deal is a deal, its not no deal so suck it up buttercup.. "The term "managed no deal" where we exit the EU without a deal but agree to keep planes flying has been reported in the press and on news media for a few weeks now, keep up. | |||
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"Fabio nobody is claiming a victory here just clarifying all that talk a few weeks ago was scaremongering which seems to me thats all remainers do it must be a sad life always looking on the bleak side. no costa.... what you basically did in this thread is mock people because it now looks like it might not be as bad as the worst case situation (heaven forbid that the european commission may not have been as charitable if the govt had done what the ERG and hard line brexiteers had wanted them to do with was renege on the legally owed 39 bn) so before you try and take your victory lap and point score.. quick question: according to the EC press release... will the flight service be as good on march 30th as it will be on march 29th? yes or no!!! simple answer will do.... so you keep celebrating the simple admission that the deal will we have post march 29th will not be as good as the deal we have now! (which is kind of the whole bloody point!!!) as i said before you are taking a "victory lap" over a grenade you are holding only blowing off a couple of fingers, rather than it taking out your entire hand!" He'll be soon pissed off if he can't get a flight to his place in Spain | |||
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"no mate can always flight to gib "Got to cross EU airspace - don't be so sure | |||
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"no mate can always flight to gib
Got to cross EU airspace - don't be so sure "have you not seen the news | |||
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"no mate can always flight to gib
Got to cross EU airspace - don't be so sure have you not seen the news "I doubt they have, as they live in France the news is all about the shitfest Macron has turned the country into over there. | |||
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"no mate can always flight to gib
Got to cross EU airspace - don't be so sure have you not seen the news
I doubt they have, as they live in France the news is all about the shitfest Macron has turned the country into over there. "Who rattled your cage? Go and play on the M6! | |||
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"I read recently that BA had relocated some of its business to Spain or Portugal to protect itself from a bad Brexit." BA merged with iberia airways a while back so doubt it will affect them. | |||
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"I read recently that BA had relocated some of its business to Spain or Portugal to protect itself from a bad Brexit.BA merged with iberia airways a while back so doubt it will affect them." They have already moved their registration to Europe. So they will be fine... | |||
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"So when they say leave on a no deal basis they mean leaving on a deal basis.. After all it’s a deal that’s keeping some flights going." When people talk of no deal they are talking about leaving the EU to trade on WTO rules. There is a managed no deal where we leave to trade on WTO terms but agree a mutual recognition on basic things like aviation and citizens rights. The crap about flights being grounded was and still is a Project fear fantasy, that was never going to happen and won't happen in future. The EU's own no deal planning released today has fully exposed the Project Fear scaremongering put about by the likes of Fabio on here to be the bullshit that it always was. | |||
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"To summarise, something needed to be facilitated to keep things moving.. Makes no deal look even more not likely now then..
And the Brexiteers on here who want no deal, the ones salivating over such an eventuality are now happy that in this area a deal albeit temporary etc is being done..?
Make their bloody minds up..
I think the phrase you are looking for is a managed no deal exit, which is the correct terminology to use in this instance.
Oh come on centy, 'managed'
Hardly an accurate description..
A managed no deal is a deal, its not no deal so suck it up buttercup..
The term "managed no deal" where we exit the EU without a deal but agree to keep planes flying has been reported in the press and on news media for a few weeks now, keep up. "Must grate for you now having to acknowledge your previous stance of fuck em, just walk away with no deal has now started to become the reality of a deal.. The OED will help on what constitutes a 'deal' as opposed to what has now gone which is no deal.. | |||
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"So when they say leave on a no deal basis they mean leaving on a deal basis.. After all it’s a deal that’s keeping some flights going." This.. Like saying I predict a no score draw then when it ends 1-1 claiming the 2 goals don't count.. | |||
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"To summarise, something needed to be facilitated to keep things moving.. Makes no deal look even more not likely now then..
And the Brexiteers on here who want no deal, the ones salivating over such an eventuality are now happy that in this area a deal albeit temporary etc is being done..?
Make their bloody minds up..
I think the phrase you are looking for is a managed no deal exit, which is the correct terminology to use in this instance.
Oh come on centy, 'managed'
Hardly an accurate description..
A managed no deal is a deal, its not no deal so suck it up buttercup..
The term "managed no deal" where we exit the EU without a deal but agree to keep planes flying has been reported in the press and on news media for a few weeks now, keep up.
Must grate for you now having to acknowledge your previous stance of fuck em, just walk away with no deal has now started to become the reality of a deal..
The OED will help on what constitutes a 'deal' as opposed to what has now gone which is no deal..
"No Deal or managed no deal doesn't grate on me at all. I'd be very happy leaving the EU on No Deal or managed no deal. | |||
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"To summarise, something needed to be facilitated to keep things moving.. Makes no deal look even more not likely now then..
And the Brexiteers on here who want no deal, the ones salivating over such an eventuality are now happy that in this area a deal albeit temporary etc is being done..?
Make their bloody minds up..
I think the phrase you are looking for is a managed no deal exit, which is the correct terminology to use in this instance.
Oh come on centy, 'managed'
Hardly an accurate description..
A managed no deal is a deal, its not no deal so suck it up buttercup..
The term "managed no deal" where we exit the EU without a deal but agree to keep planes flying has been reported in the press and on news media for a few weeks now, keep up.
Must grate for you now having to acknowledge your previous stance of fuck em, just walk away with no deal has now started to become the reality of a deal..
The OED will help on what constitutes a 'deal' as opposed to what has now gone which is no deal..
No Deal or managed no deal doesn't grate on me at all. I'd be very happy leaving the EU on No Deal or managed no deal. "You've changed.. | |||
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"To summarise, something needed to be facilitated to keep things moving.. Makes no deal look even more not likely now then..
And the Brexiteers on here who want no deal, the ones salivating over such an eventuality are now happy that in this area a deal albeit temporary etc is being done..?
Make their bloody minds up..
I think the phrase you are looking for is a managed no deal exit, which is the correct terminology to use in this instance.
Oh come on centy, 'managed'
Hardly an accurate description..
A managed no deal is a deal, its not no deal so suck it up buttercup..
The term "managed no deal" where we exit the EU without a deal but agree to keep planes flying has been reported in the press and on news media for a few weeks now, keep up.
Must grate for you now having to acknowledge your previous stance of fuck em, just walk away with no deal has now started to become the reality of a deal..
The OED will help on what constitutes a 'deal' as opposed to what has now gone which is no deal..
No Deal or managed no deal doesn't grate on me at all. I'd be very happy leaving the EU on No Deal or managed no deal.
You've changed.. "No I haven't. No Deal always meant planes would keep flying. The Project Fear scaremongering crap about planes being grounded was never going to happen. | |||
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"To summarise, something needed to be facilitated to keep things moving.. Makes no deal look even more not likely now then..
And the Brexiteers on here who want no deal, the ones salivating over such an eventuality are now happy that in this area a deal albeit temporary etc is being done..?
Make their bloody minds up..
I think the phrase you are looking for is a managed no deal exit, which is the correct terminology to use in this instance.
Oh come on centy, 'managed'
Hardly an accurate description..
A managed no deal is a deal, its not no deal so suck it up buttercup..
The term "managed no deal" where we exit the EU without a deal but agree to keep planes flying has been reported in the press and on news media for a few weeks now, keep up.
Must grate for you now having to acknowledge your previous stance of fuck em, just walk away with no deal has now started to become the reality of a deal..
The OED will help on what constitutes a 'deal' as opposed to what has now gone which is no deal..
No Deal or managed no deal doesn't grate on me at all. I'd be very happy leaving the EU on No Deal or managed no deal.
You've changed..
No I haven't. No Deal always meant planes would keep flying. The Project Fear scaremongering crap about planes being grounded was never going to happen. "We all knew it would be sorted out by a deal.. If there was to be no deal then the previous rightly pointed out issues would have entailed.. You must be pleased we are deal making with the EU..
So much more logical than all that fuck them let's just walk away..
Eh, who knew that in a global interconnected world we all need to do deals..
Twas ever thus and common sense will keep it that way.. | |||
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"here is the actual wording from the European commission..... Transport The Commission has today adopted two measures that will avoid full interruption of air traffic between the EU and the UK in the event of no deal. These measures will only ensure basic connectivity and in no means replicate the significant advantages of membership of the Single European Sky. This is subject to the UK conferring equivalent rights to EU air carriers, as well as the UK ensuring conditions of fair competition. A proposal for a Regulation to ensure temporarily (for 12 months) the provision of certain air services between the UK and the EU. A proposal for a Regulation to extend temporarily (for 9 months) the validity of certain aviation safety licences The Commission has also adopted a proposal for a Regulation to allow UK operators to temporarily (nine months) carry goods into the EU, provided the UK confers equivalent rights to EU road haulage operators and subject to fair competition conditions. " So basically, what they are saying is that, contrary to the bollocks tgat remainers have been saying on here, that flights from UK to tge EU will stop after 29th March next year, they will, actually, continue. And the unwritten thing here is that, they need accesss to our airspace, and want our tourists money....somethimg that remainers' scaremongering has said the opposite of. And that, irrespective of a deal or not, agreements can be made....something that remainers' scaremongering has been the opposite of. | |||
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"thanks there you go then planes will be flying on the 30th in the event of a no deal which was my original post no... not all planes!!!!!!!! plane will fly to keep a basic and minimal level.... my god you spin some shite........" We've booked flights to the EU in April, May, July, September and November....will any of them be stopped? Thought not... | |||
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"thanks there you go then planes will be flying on the 30th in the event of a no deal which was my original post no... not all planes!!!!!!!! plane will fly to keep a basic and minimal level.... my god you spin some shite........ who said all planes???????? not spinning any shit just pointing out the hours you spent scaremongering was a waist of your time and anyone with any sense knew that planes would fly." What I and most others actually said was that if no agreement or arrangements were made between the UK and the EU then, in the event of a 'no deal' BREXIT, planes wouldn't be able to fly. I also very often qualified that statement saying that I thought it was unlikely that some basic arrangements wouldn't be put in place. What is happening now is exactly what I often said was likely to happen. It won't be as bad as it would have been if no one did anything but definitely a lot worse (especially for UK carriers) than it is now. | |||
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" So basically, what they are saying is that, contrary to the bollocks tgat remainers have been saying on here, that flights from UK to tge EU will stop after 29th March next year, they will, actually, continue. And the unwritten thing here is that, they need accesss to our airspace, and want our tourists money....somethimg that remainers' scaremongering has said the opposite of. And that, irrespective of a deal or not, agreements can be made....something that remainers' scaremongering has been the opposite of." no... what that are saying is there will be a "basic" service level.... as the word "basic" is the one quoted in the release... so 2 questions..... just keep the answer to a "yes" or "no" will we have as good a service level as we do under european open skies?... Yes or no! will the service level on March 30th be as good as the service on March 29th?... Yes or no! and thats what we have been reduced to.... claiming "moral victories" over not getting as good a deal as the one we have, which was suppose to be the whole point of leaving in the first place!!!! | |||
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"So when they say leave on a no deal basis they mean leaving on a deal basis.. After all it’s a deal that’s keeping some flights going. When people talk of no deal they are talking about leaving the EU to trade on WTO rules. There is a managed no deal where we leave to trade on WTO terms but agree a mutual recognition on basic things like aviation and citizens rights. The crap about flights being grounded was and still is a Project fear fantasy, that was never going to happen and won't happen in future. The EU's own no deal planning released today has fully exposed the Project Fear scaremongering put about by the likes of Fabio on here to be the bullshit that it always was. " If we have a WTO dispute will the UK courts have sovereignty? | |||
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"Sorry Costa, but I have to say it... you are a moron. You just said "In the event of a no deal"..... then described a deal. The EU have just given us a deal on aviation (if we reciprocate). The thing you just described is a deal. It is a negotiation on our aviation rights. Well, half a negotiation at the moment, as far as I can see the UK need to agree to reciprocate for it to be valid. This pattern just keeps getting repeated with hardline brexiteers "We want no deal! Let's just crash out! Up yours, EU!" but don't worry, we'll sort something out. Our government will sort something out. Sorting something out is a getting a deal! That is the very definition of it. And as we have seen, this deal is significantly worse that the previous deal we had as a member of the EU. And it is only temporary. But don't worry, I'm sure Davis said this would all be really simple to sort out. Don't worry your pretty little head. -Matt FFS, listen to the language the EU themselves are using, they said in the event of no deal we will keep planes flying!!!! Yes, exactly. On the condition of.... ie it is a deal. Why is this so hard for you to understand? -Mattwrong now whos a moron?" Um.... still you I'm afraid. -Matt | |||
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"well i repeat i think you should get on to the bbc oh and also andrew marr and tell them they are spreading false news. I'm not saying you are wrong at all here but after the misinformation news outlets have been guilty of I wouldn't take anything they say as red without going to the source of "said" article's. don't worry..andy costa is cheering the fact that the flight service to the EU won't be as good on march 30th as it is on march 29th!!!! thats the brexiteers "victory" these days...... Yes, something that only turns out shite instead of a catastrophy is a BREXIT win nobody is saying its a brexit win im just saying you were all talking shit before and should at least take a bit of pleasure that the disaster you predicted hasnt happened for the time being and im sure in time a better agreement can be reached."Why not just stick to the perfectly good arrangements we have now? As for your house in Spain: I hope you don't spend too much time there, especially if we leave the EU with 'no deal'. You'll be limited to a rolling 90 days in each rolling year. And that 90 days is for the whole of the EU and EEA. | |||
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"here is the actual wording from the European commission..... Transport The Commission has today adopted two measures that will avoid full interruption of air traffic between the EU and the UK in the event of no deal. These measures will only ensure basic connectivity and in no means replicate the significant advantages of membership of the Single European Sky. This is subject to the UK conferring equivalent rights to EU air carriers, as well as the UK ensuring conditions of fair competition. A proposal for a Regulation to ensure temporarily (for 12 months) the provision of certain air services between the UK and the EU. A proposal for a Regulation to extend temporarily (for 9 months) the validity of certain aviation safety licences The Commission has also adopted a proposal for a Regulation to allow UK operators to temporarily (nine months) carry goods into the EU, provided the UK confers equivalent rights to EU road haulage operators and subject to fair competition conditions. So basically, what they are saying is that, contrary to the bollocks tgat remainers have been saying on here, that flights from UK to tge EU will stop after 29th March next year, they will, actually, continue. And the unwritten thing here is that, they need accesss to our airspace, and want our tourists money....somethimg that remainers' scaremongering has said the opposite of. And that, irrespective of a deal or not, agreements can be made....something that remainers' scaremongering has been the opposite of." You really are having a problem with this aren't you? Yes it was claimed several times that the treaties and agreements that we are a part of will end on the 29th March. So we will be unable to legally fly or maintain our planes. Unless some deal is worked out. The EU has offered us a deal on this. And if we accept it, then we can keep our planes flying. If we don't accept it then we need to come up with a counter offer and some other deal and hope that gets accepted by them. If no deal is agreed then the planes will not be flying. Simple as that. Nothing has changed. -Matt | |||
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"Sorry Costa, but I have to say it... you are a moron. You just said "In the event of a no deal"..... then described a deal. The EU have just given us a deal on aviation (if we reciprocate). The thing you just described is a deal. It is a negotiation on our aviation rights. Well, half a negotiation at the moment, as far as I can see the UK need to agree to reciprocate for it to be valid. This pattern just keeps getting repeated with hardline brexiteers "We want no deal! Let's just crash out! Up yours, EU!" but don't worry, we'll sort something out. Our government will sort something out. Sorting something out is a getting a deal! That is the very definition of it. And as we have seen, this deal is significantly worse that the previous deal we had as a member of the EU. And it is only temporary. But don't worry, I'm sure Davis said this would all be really simple to sort out. Don't worry your pretty little head. -MattA moron? what you have to result in insults now i think you know very well what i meant and are being pedantic so i will repeat if we crash out the planes will still fly.I really think all you scaremongers would love to see them grounded just so you can say you were right.Im not gloating and know its not as good as if we were in the eu but there were always going to be prices to pay for getting shot of all those leaches and im sure eventually they will come to a mutual agreement that is beneficial for both sides.Fabio nobody is claiming a victory here just clarifying all that talk a few weeks ago was scaremongering which seems to me thats all remainers do it must be a sad life always looking on the bleak side." I don't get where you're coming from. Remainers said that if there wasn't an agreement on aviation in a 'no deal' BREXIT planes wouldn't be able to fly from UK to EU. The very fact that a new aviation agreement is being made to cover the 'no deal' scenario shows that they were right. | |||
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"well i repeat i think you should get on to the bbc oh and also andrew marr and tell them they are spreading false news. I'm not saying you are wrong at all here but after the misinformation news outlets have been guilty of I wouldn't take anything they say as red without going to the source of "said" article's. don't worry..andy costa is cheering the fact that the flight service to the EU won't be as good on march 30th as it is on march 29th!!!! thats the brexiteers "victory" these days...... Yes, something that only turns out shite instead of a catastrophy is a BREXIT win nobody is saying its a brexit win im just saying you were all talking shit before and should at least take a bit of pleasure that the disaster you predicted hasnt happened for the time being and im sure in time a better agreement can be reached.
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As for your house in Spain: I hope you don't spend too much time there, especially if we leave the EU with 'no deal'. You'll be limited to a rolling 90 days in each rolling year. And that 90 days is for the whole of the EU and EEA.
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"Sorry Costa, but I have to say it... you are a moron. You just said "In the event of a no deal"..... then described a deal. The EU have just given us a deal on aviation (if we reciprocate). The thing you just described is a deal. It is a negotiation on our aviation rights. Well, half a negotiation at the moment, as far as I can see the UK need to agree to reciprocate for it to be valid. This pattern just keeps getting repeated with hardline brexiteers "We want no deal! Let's just crash out! Up yours, EU!" but don't worry, we'll sort something out. Our government will sort something out. Sorting something out is a getting a deal! That is the very definition of it. And as we have seen, this deal is significantly worse that the previous deal we had as a member of the EU. And it is only temporary. But don't worry, I'm sure Davis said this would all be really simple to sort out. Don't worry your pretty little head. -MattA moron? what you have to result in insults now i think you know very well what i meant and are being pedantic so i will repeat if we crash out the planes will still fly.I really think all you scaremongers would love to see them grounded just so you can say you were right.Im not gloating and know its not as good as if we were in the eu but there were always going to be prices to pay for getting shot of all those leaches and im sure eventually they will come to a mutual agreement that is beneficial for both sides.Fabio nobody is claiming a victory here just clarifying all that talk a few weeks ago was scaremongering which seems to me thats all remainers do it must be a sad life always looking on the bleak side. I don't get where you're coming from. Remainers said that if there wasn't an agreement on aviation in a 'no deal' BREXIT planes wouldn't be able to fly from UK to EU. The very fact that a new aviation agreement is being made to cover the 'no deal' scenario shows that they were right. " I don't think it's a deal. The EU are unilaterally allowing it. It is at their discretion. It is under their control. International flights are a different matter. That's why everyone has registered in Europe. If they have to they can use European airports as hubs. | |||
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"here is the actual wording from the European commission..... Transport The Commission has today adopted two measures that will avoid full interruption of air traffic between the EU and the UK in the event of no deal. These measures will only ensure basic connectivity and in no means replicate the significant advantages of membership of the Single European Sky. This is subject to the UK conferring equivalent rights to EU air carriers, as well as the UK ensuring conditions of fair competition. A proposal for a Regulation to ensure temporarily (for 12 months) the provision of certain air services between the UK and the EU. A proposal for a Regulation to extend temporarily (for 9 months) the validity of certain aviation safety licences The Commission has also adopted a proposal for a Regulation to allow UK operators to temporarily (nine months) carry goods into the EU, provided the UK confers equivalent rights to EU road haulage operators and subject to fair competition conditions. So basically, what they are saying is that, contrary to the bollocks tgat remainers have been saying on here, that flights from UK to tge EU will stop after 29th March next year, they will, actually, continue. And the unwritten thing here is that, they need accesss to our airspace, and want our tourists money....somethimg that remainers' scaremongering has said the opposite of. And that, irrespective of a deal or not, agreements can be made....something that remainers' scaremongering has been the opposite of. You really are having a problem with this aren't you? Yes it was claimed several times that the treaties and agreements that we are a part of will end on the 29th March. So we will be unable to legally fly or maintain our planes. Unless some deal is worked out. The EU has offered us a deal on this. And if we accept it, then we can keep our planes flying. If we don't accept it then we need to come up with a counter offer and some other deal and hope that gets accepted by them. If no deal is agreed then the planes will not be flying. Simple as that. Nothing has changed. -Matt" Just watched the BBC 10pm news. The BBC report said the EU's "no deal planning" allows for planes to keep flying, for lorries to continue on through Dover and Calais speedily, for uk banks to continue operating as normal in the EU and for mutual recognition on citizens rights to continue for at least 2 years. Project fear that remainers have been peddling here has been dealt a death blow today by none other than the EU itself. It's being reported as a "No Deal agreement". You can continue being pedantic over this if you like but it's pretty obvious you're just arguing now for arguments sake. | |||
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"here is the actual wording from the European commission..... Transport The Commission has today adopted two measures that will avoid full interruption of air traffic between the EU and the UK in the event of no deal. These measures will only ensure basic connectivity and in no means replicate the significant advantages of membership of the Single European Sky. This is subject to the UK conferring equivalent rights to EU air carriers, as well as the UK ensuring conditions of fair competition. A proposal for a Regulation to ensure temporarily (for 12 months) the provision of certain air services between the UK and the EU. A proposal for a Regulation to extend temporarily (for 9 months) the validity of certain aviation safety licences The Commission has also adopted a proposal for a Regulation to allow UK operators to temporarily (nine months) carry goods into the EU, provided the UK confers equivalent rights to EU road haulage operators and subject to fair competition conditions. So basically, what they are saying is that, contrary to the bollocks tgat remainers have been saying on here, that flights from UK to tge EU will stop after 29th March next year, they will, actually, continue. And the unwritten thing here is that, they need accesss to our airspace, and want our tourists money....somethimg that remainers' scaremongering has said the opposite of. And that, irrespective of a deal or not, agreements can be made....something that remainers' scaremongering has been the opposite of. You really are having a problem with this aren't you? Yes it was claimed several times that the treaties and agreements that we are a part of will end on the 29th March. So we will be unable to legally fly or maintain our planes. Unless some deal is worked out. The EU has offered us a deal on this. And if we accept it, then we can keep our planes flying. If we don't accept it then we need to come up with a counter offer and some other deal and hope that gets accepted by them. If no deal is agreed then the planes will not be flying. Simple as that. Nothing has changed. -Matt Just watched the BBC 10pm news. The BBC report said the EU's "no deal planning" allows for planes to keep flying, for lorries to continue on through Dover and Calais speedily, for uk banks to continue operating as normal in the EU and for mutual recognition on citizens rights to continue for at least 2 years. Project fear that remainers have been peddling here has been dealt a death blow today by none other than the EU itself. It's being reported as a "No Deal agreement". You can continue being pedantic over this if you like but it's pretty obvious you're just arguing now for arguments sake. " That's that fooker sorted | |||
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"What about the euromillions lottery .. And will I be able to drive to spain then across the border to Portugal .. Can I drive to Poland and Bulgaria? Norway and Sweden ..." Euromillions: no problem. Driving around Europe: Yes you'll be able to drive around Europe but you'll need an IDP (international driving permit). To drive to Portugal you'll actually need 2 IDPs because the scheme that covers France is not the same scheme that covers Spain. You will also need a Green Card to prove you are insured (currently your UK insurance is valid). You'll also need a Spanish bail bond. | |||
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"What about the euromillions lottery .. And will I be able to drive to spain then across the border to Portugal .. Can I drive to Poland and Bulgaria? Norway and Sweden ... Euromillions: no problem. Driving around Europe: Yes you'll be able to drive around Europe but you'll need an IDP (international driving permit). To drive to Portugal you'll actually need 2 IDPs because the scheme that covers France is not the same scheme that covers Spain. You will also need a Green Card to prove you are insured (currently your UK insurance is valid). You'll also need a Spanish bail bond. " I wouldn't bother with it. If you get stopped , tell em to "fek arrf' | |||
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"here is the actual wording from the European commission..... Transport The Commission has today adopted two measures that will avoid full interruption of air traffic between the EU and the UK in the event of no deal. These measures will only ensure basic connectivity and in no means replicate the significant advantages of membership of the Single European Sky. This is subject to the UK conferring equivalent rights to EU air carriers, as well as the UK ensuring conditions of fair competition. A proposal for a Regulation to ensure temporarily (for 12 months) the provision of certain air services between the UK and the EU. A proposal for a Regulation to extend temporarily (for 9 months) the validity of certain aviation safety licences The Commission has also adopted a proposal for a Regulation to allow UK operators to temporarily (nine months) carry goods into the EU, provided the UK confers equivalent rights to EU road haulage operators and subject to fair competition conditions. So basically, what they are saying is that, contrary to the bollocks tgat remainers have been saying on here, that flights from UK to tge EU will stop after 29th March next year, they will, actually, continue. And the unwritten thing here is that, they need accesss to our airspace, and want our tourists money....somethimg that remainers' scaremongering has said the opposite of. And that, irrespective of a deal or not, agreements can be made....something that remainers' scaremongering has been the opposite of. You really are having a problem with this aren't you? Yes it was claimed several times that the treaties and agreements that we are a part of will end on the 29th March. So we will be unable to legally fly or maintain our planes. Unless some deal is worked out. The EU has offered us a deal on this. And if we accept it, then we can keep our planes flying. If we don't accept it then we need to come up with a counter offer and some other deal and hope that gets accepted by them. If no deal is agreed then the planes will not be flying. Simple as that. Nothing has changed. -Matt Just watched the BBC 10pm news. The BBC report said the EU's "no deal planning" allows for planes to keep flying, for lorries to continue on through Dover and Calais speedily, for uk banks to continue operating as normal in the EU and for mutual recognition on citizens rights to continue for at least 2 years. Project fear that remainers have been peddling here has been dealt a death blow today by none other than the EU itself. It's being reported as a "No Deal agreement". You can continue being pedantic over this if you like but it's pretty obvious you're just arguing now for arguments sake. " Now your quoting the BBC.. Who you have sagged off repeatedly as being the mouthpiece of the Government etc.. You've really changed.. | |||
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"here is the actual wording from the European commission..... Transport The Commission has today adopted two measures that will avoid full interruption of air traffic between the EU and the UK in the event of no deal. These measures will only ensure basic connectivity and in no means replicate the significant advantages of membership of the Single European Sky. This is subject to the UK conferring equivalent rights to EU air carriers, as well as the UK ensuring conditions of fair competition. A proposal for a Regulation to ensure temporarily (for 12 months) the provision of certain air services between the UK and the EU. A proposal for a Regulation to extend temporarily (for 9 months) the validity of certain aviation safety licences The Commission has also adopted a proposal for a Regulation to allow UK operators to temporarily (nine months) carry goods into the EU, provided the UK confers equivalent rights to EU road haulage operators and subject to fair competition conditions. So basically, what they are saying is that, contrary to the bollocks tgat remainers have been saying on here, that flights from UK to tge EU will stop after 29th March next year, they will, actually, continue. And the unwritten thing here is that, they need accesss to our airspace, and want our tourists money....somethimg that remainers' scaremongering has said the opposite of. And that, irrespective of a deal or not, agreements can be made....something that remainers' scaremongering has been the opposite of. You really are having a problem with this aren't you? Yes it was claimed several times that the treaties and agreements that we are a part of will end on the 29th March. So we will be unable to legally fly or maintain our planes. Unless some deal is worked out. The EU has offered us a deal on this. And if we accept it, then we can keep our planes flying. If we don't accept it then we need to come up with a counter offer and some other deal and hope that gets accepted by them. If no deal is agreed then the planes will not be flying. Simple as that. Nothing has changed. -Matt Just watched the BBC 10pm news. The BBC report said the EU's "no deal planning" allows for planes to keep flying, for lorries to continue on through Dover and Calais speedily, for uk banks to continue operating as normal in the EU and for mutual recognition on citizens rights to continue for at least 2 years. Project fear that remainers have been peddling here has been dealt a death blow today by none other than the EU itself. It's being reported as a "No Deal agreement". You can continue being pedantic over this if you like but it's pretty obvious you're just arguing now for arguments sake. Now your quoting the BBC.. Who you have sagged off repeatedly as being the mouthpiece of the Government etc.. You've really changed.. "It doesn't matter if it's the BBC, Sky news, itv news, channel 4 news, channel 5 news, Fox news, CNN or RT, they are all reporting it as the EU's "No Deal planning". | |||
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"What about the euromillions lottery .. And will I be able to drive to spain then across the border to Portugal .. Can I drive to Poland and Bulgaria? Norway and Sweden ... Euromillions: no problem. Driving around Europe: Yes you'll be able to drive around Europe but you'll need an IDP (international driving permit). To drive to Portugal you'll actually need 2 IDPs because the scheme that covers France is not the same scheme that covers Spain. You will also need a Green Card to prove you are insured (currently your UK insurance is valid). You'll also need a Spanish bail bond. I wouldn't bother with it. If you get stopped , tell em to "fek arrf' "No need to be profane though, just say "how very dare you stop me, I am part of a country that has taken back control".. Best not to mention if one is an admirer of Boris or Mogg though.. | |||
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"here is the actual wording from the European commission..... Transport The Commission has today adopted two measures that will avoid full interruption of air traffic between the EU and the UK in the event of no deal. These measures will only ensure basic connectivity and in no means replicate the significant advantages of membership of the Single European Sky. This is subject to the UK conferring equivalent rights to EU air carriers, as well as the UK ensuring conditions of fair competition. A proposal for a Regulation to ensure temporarily (for 12 months) the provision of certain air services between the UK and the EU. A proposal for a Regulation to extend temporarily (for 9 months) the validity of certain aviation safety licences The Commission has also adopted a proposal for a Regulation to allow UK operators to temporarily (nine months) carry goods into the EU, provided the UK confers equivalent rights to EU road haulage operators and subject to fair competition conditions. So basically, what they are saying is that, contrary to the bollocks tgat remainers have been saying on here, that flights from UK to tge EU will stop after 29th March next year, they will, actually, continue. And the unwritten thing here is that, they need accesss to our airspace, and want our tourists money....somethimg that remainers' scaremongering has said the opposite of. And that, irrespective of a deal or not, agreements can be made....something that remainers' scaremongering has been the opposite of. You really are having a problem with this aren't you? Yes it was claimed several times that the treaties and agreements that we are a part of will end on the 29th March. So we will be unable to legally fly or maintain our planes. Unless some deal is worked out. The EU has offered us a deal on this. And if we accept it, then we can keep our planes flying. If we don't accept it then we need to come up with a counter offer and some other deal and hope that gets accepted by them. If no deal is agreed then the planes will not be flying. Simple as that. Nothing has changed. -Matt Just watched the BBC 10pm news. The BBC report said the EU's "no deal planning" allows for planes to keep flying, for lorries to continue on through Dover and Calais speedily, for uk banks to continue operating as normal in the EU and for mutual recognition on citizens rights to continue for at least 2 years. Project fear that remainers have been peddling here has been dealt a death blow today by none other than the EU itself. It's being reported as a "No Deal agreement". You can continue being pedantic over this if you like but it's pretty obvious you're just arguing now for arguments sake. Now your quoting the BBC.. Who you have sagged off repeatedly as being the mouthpiece of the Government etc.. You've really changed.. "The news item is in the interest of the government, the BBC are the state mouthpiece for the government. The UN report condemning the government, and increased deaths rate correlation in suicides and illnesses caused by poverty down to dwp practices : not in the interest of the government, ergo not reported! | |||
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"well i repeat i think you should get on to the bbc oh and also andrew marr and tell them they are spreading false news. I'm not saying you are wrong at all here but after the misinformation news outlets have been guilty of I wouldn't take anything they say as red without going to the source of "said" article's. don't worry..andy costa is cheering the fact that the flight service to the EU won't be as good on march 30th as it is on march 29th!!!! thats the brexiteers "victory" these days...... Yes, something that only turns out shite instead of a catastrophy is a BREXIT win nobody is saying its a brexit win im just saying you were all talking shit before and should at least take a bit of pleasure that the disaster you predicted hasnt happened for the time being and im sure in time a better agreement can be reached.
Why not just stick to the perfectly good arrangements we have now?
As for your house in Spain: I hope you don't spend too much time there, especially if we leave the EU with 'no deal'. You'll be limited to a rolling 90 days in each rolling year. And that 90 days is for the whole of the EU and EEA.
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"here is the actual wording from the European commission..... Transport The Commission has today adopted two measures that will avoid full interruption of air traffic between the EU and the UK in the event of no deal. These measures will only ensure basic connectivity and in no means replicate the significant advantages of membership of the Single European Sky. This is subject to the UK conferring equivalent rights to EU air carriers, as well as the UK ensuring conditions of fair competition. A proposal for a Regulation to ensure temporarily (for 12 months) the provision of certain air services between the UK and the EU. A proposal for a Regulation to extend temporarily (for 9 months) the validity of certain aviation safety licences The Commission has also adopted a proposal for a Regulation to allow UK operators to temporarily (nine months) carry goods into the EU, provided the UK confers equivalent rights to EU road haulage operators and subject to fair competition conditions. So basically, what they are saying is that, contrary to the bollocks tgat remainers have been saying on here, that flights from UK to tge EU will stop after 29th March next year, they will, actually, continue. And the unwritten thing here is that, they need accesss to our airspace, and want our tourists money....somethimg that remainers' scaremongering has said the opposite of. And that, irrespective of a deal or not, agreements can be made....something that remainers' scaremongering has been the opposite of. You really are having a problem with this aren't you? Yes it was claimed several times that the treaties and agreements that we are a part of will end on the 29th March. So we will be unable to legally fly or maintain our planes. Unless some deal is worked out. The EU has offered us a deal on this. And if we accept it, then we can keep our planes flying. If we don't accept it then we need to come up with a counter offer and some other deal and hope that gets accepted by them. If no deal is agreed then the planes will not be flying. Simple as that. Nothing has changed. -Matt Just watched the BBC 10pm news. The BBC report said the EU's "no deal planning" allows for planes to keep flying, for lorries to continue on through Dover and Calais speedily, for uk banks to continue operating as normal in the EU and for mutual recognition on citizens rights to continue for at least 2 years. Project fear that remainers have been peddling here has been dealt a death blow today by none other than the EU itself. It's being reported as a "No Deal agreement". You can continue being pedantic over this if you like but it's pretty obvious you're just arguing now for arguments sake. Now your quoting the BBC.. Who you have sagged off repeatedly as being the mouthpiece of the Government etc.. You've really changed..
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"here is the actual wording from the European commission..... Transport The Commission has today adopted two measures that will avoid full interruption of air traffic between the EU and the UK in the event of no deal. These measures will only ensure basic connectivity and in no means replicate the significant advantages of membership of the Single European Sky. This is subject to the UK conferring equivalent rights to EU air carriers, as well as the UK ensuring conditions of fair competition. A proposal for a Regulation to ensure temporarily (for 12 months) the provision of certain air services between the UK and the EU. A proposal for a Regulation to extend temporarily (for 9 months) the validity of certain aviation safety licences The Commission has also adopted a proposal for a Regulation to allow UK operators to temporarily (nine months) carry goods into the EU, provided the UK confers equivalent rights to EU road haulage operators and subject to fair competition conditions. So basically, what they are saying is that, contrary to the bollocks tgat remainers have been saying on here, that flights from UK to tge EU will stop after 29th March next year, they will, actually, continue. And the unwritten thing here is that, they need accesss to our airspace, and want our tourists money....somethimg that remainers' scaremongering has said the opposite of. And that, irrespective of a deal or not, agreements can be made....something that remainers' scaremongering has been the opposite of. You really are having a problem with this aren't you? Yes it was claimed several times that the treaties and agreements that we are a part of will end on the 29th March. So we will be unable to legally fly or maintain our planes. Unless some deal is worked out. The EU has offered us a deal on this. And if we accept it, then we can keep our planes flying. If we don't accept it then we need to come up with a counter offer and some other deal and hope that gets accepted by them. If no deal is agreed then the planes will not be flying. Simple as that. Nothing has changed. -Matt Just watched the BBC 10pm news. The BBC report said the EU's "no deal planning" allows for planes to keep flying, for lorries to continue on through Dover and Calais speedily, for uk banks to continue operating as normal in the EU and for mutual recognition on citizens rights to continue for at least 2 years. Project fear that remainers have been peddling here has been dealt a death blow today by none other than the EU itself. It's being reported as a "No Deal agreement". You can continue being pedantic over this if you like but it's pretty obvious you're just arguing now for arguments sake. Now your quoting the BBC.. Who you have sagged off repeatedly as being the mouthpiece of the Government etc.. You've really changed..
The news item is in the interest of the government, the BBC are the state mouthpiece for the government.
The UN report condemning the government, and increased deaths rate correlation in suicides and illnesses caused by poverty down to dwp practices : not in the interest of the government, ergo not reported!
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"The EU have unilaterally agreed to UK flights to Europe for a two year period which can be arbitrarily revoked. Their choice. Their power. I do not know what the implication for international flights are. I'm sure something will be worked out but the EU is party to these agreements not the UK. Something will need negotiating. Aircraft certification by the CAA could be a problem for maintenance too. It doesn't have the capacity and is again using EU certification. All to be negotiated and at the whim if the EU. Again. Not a disaster. There is some pragmatism, but we are very definitely not in control." The EU have investments in UK airlines and all the holiday firms etc that use them. It’s not out of generosity or an act of pragmatism, it’s all about EU citizens protecting their investments. This will continue to happen otherwise some powerful Eurocrats will lose a lot of money. We don’t have to make deals with these cretins, they will capitulate for their own ends. | |||
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"here is the actual wording from the European commission..... Transport The Commission has today adopted two measures that will avoid full interruption of air traffic between the EU and the UK in the event of no deal. These measures will only ensure basic connectivity and in no means replicate the significant advantages of membership of the Single European Sky. This is subject to the UK conferring equivalent rights to EU air carriers, as well as the UK ensuring conditions of fair competition. A proposal for a Regulation to ensure temporarily (for 12 months) the provision of certain air services between the UK and the EU. A proposal for a Regulation to extend temporarily (for 9 months) the validity of certain aviation safety licences The Commission has also adopted a proposal for a Regulation to allow UK operators to temporarily (nine months) carry goods into the EU, provided the UK confers equivalent rights to EU road haulage operators and subject to fair competition conditions. So basically, what they are saying is that, contrary to the bollocks tgat remainers have been saying on here, that flights from UK to tge EU will stop after 29th March next year, they will, actually, continue. And the unwritten thing here is that, they need accesss to our airspace, and want our tourists money....somethimg that remainers' scaremongering has said the opposite of. And that, irrespective of a deal or not, agreements can be made....something that remainers' scaremongering has been the opposite of. You really are having a problem with this aren't you? Yes it was claimed several times that the treaties and agreements that we are a part of will end on the 29th March. So we will be unable to legally fly or maintain our planes. Unless some deal is worked out. The EU has offered us a deal on this. And if we accept it, then we can keep our planes flying. If we don't accept it then we need to come up with a counter offer and some other deal and hope that gets accepted by them. If no deal is agreed then the planes will not be flying. Simple as that. Nothing has changed. -Matt Just watched the BBC 10pm news. The BBC report said the EU's "no deal planning" allows for planes to keep flying, for lorries to continue on through Dover and Calais speedily, for uk banks to continue operating as normal in the EU and for mutual recognition on citizens rights to continue for at least 2 years. Project fear that remainers have been peddling here has been dealt a death blow today by none other than the EU itself. It's being reported as a "No Deal agreement". You can continue being pedantic over this if you like but it's pretty obvious you're just arguing now for arguments sake. Now your quoting the BBC.. Who you have sagged off repeatedly as being the mouthpiece of the Government etc.. You've really changed..
The news item is in the interest of the government, the BBC are the state mouthpiece for the government.
The UN report condemning the government, and increased deaths rate correlation in suicides and illnesses caused by poverty down to dwp practices : not in the interest of the government, ergo not reported!
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" Just watched the BBC 10pm news. The BBC report said the EU's "no deal planning" allows for planes to keep flying, for lorries to continue on through Dover and Calais speedily, for uk banks to continue operating as normal in the EU and for mutual recognition on citizens rights to continue for at least 2 years. Project fear that remainers have been peddling here has been dealt a death blow today by none other than the EU itself. It's being reported as a "No Deal agreement". You can continue being pedantic over this if you like but it's pretty obvious you're just arguing now for arguments sake. That's that fooker sorted "see.... 1 slight problem because it that what centy took from the report, then he is being overly simplistic..... so lets take apart what centy said... and add some grains of "truth" to the conversation.... " Just watched the BBC 10pm news. The BBC report said the EU's "no deal planning" allows for planes to keep flying" again... the words used are "basic and minimal service level between the UK and EU not at the level of european open skies" "for lorries to continue on through Dover and Calais speedily" what they have actually said they will recognise current british safety maintainance record for 9 months.... they will still have to do the checks stuff if they are carrying goods... you know, that WTO tariff thing you have an orgasm over everytime you bring it up!!! "for uk banks to continue operating as normal in the EU" actually very misleading... basically the european financial passport will be withdrawn from uk operators as of march 30th, and then the business conducted financial services wise is going to be very limited!!! state pensions paid overseas will be protected, but thats about it.... "and for mutual recognition on citizens rights to continue for at least 2 years" thats not quite true either.... it will be left to the individual countries to decide what they want to do re UK citizens living and working in EU countries.... | |||
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"here is the actual wording from the European commission..... Transport The Commission has today adopted two measures that will avoid full interruption of air traffic between the EU and the UK in the event of no deal. These measures will only ensure basic connectivity and in no means replicate the significant advantages of membership of the Single European Sky. This is subject to the UK conferring equivalent rights to EU air carriers, as well as the UK ensuring conditions of fair competition. A proposal for a Regulation to ensure temporarily (for 12 months) the provision of certain air services between the UK and the EU. A proposal for a Regulation to extend temporarily (for 9 months) the validity of certain aviation safety licences The Commission has also adopted a proposal for a Regulation to allow UK operators to temporarily (nine months) carry goods into the EU, provided the UK confers equivalent rights to EU road haulage operators and subject to fair competition conditions. So basically, what they are saying is that, contrary to the bollocks tgat remainers have been saying on here, that flights from UK to tge EU will stop after 29th March next year, they will, actually, continue. And the unwritten thing here is that, they need accesss to our airspace, and want our tourists money....somethimg that remainers' scaremongering has said the opposite of. And that, irrespective of a deal or not, agreements can be made....something that remainers' scaremongering has been the opposite of. You really are having a problem with this aren't you? Yes it was claimed several times that the treaties and agreements that we are a part of will end on the 29th March. So we will be unable to legally fly or maintain our planes. Unless some deal is worked out. The EU has offered us a deal on this. And if we accept it, then we can keep our planes flying. If we don't accept it then we need to come up with a counter offer and some other deal and hope that gets accepted by them. If no deal is agreed then the planes will not be flying. Simple as that. Nothing has changed. -Matt Just watched the BBC 10pm news. The BBC report said the EU's "no deal planning" allows for planes to keep flying, for lorries to continue on through Dover and Calais speedily, for uk banks to continue operating as normal in the EU and for mutual recognition on citizens rights to continue for at least 2 years. Project fear that remainers have been peddling here has been dealt a death blow today by none other than the EU itself. It's being reported as a "No Deal agreement". You can continue being pedantic over this if you like but it's pretty obvious you're just arguing now for arguments sake. Now your quoting the BBC.. Who you have sagged off repeatedly as being the mouthpiece of the Government etc.. You've really changed..
It doesn't matter if it's the BBC, Sky news, itv news, channel 4 news, channel 5 news, Fox news, CNN or RT, they are all reporting it as the EU's "No Deal planning".
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"here is the actual wording from the European commission..... Transport The Commission has today adopted two measures that will avoid full interruption of air traffic between the EU and the UK in the event of no deal. These measures will only ensure basic connectivity and in no means replicate the significant advantages of membership of the Single European Sky. This is subject to the UK conferring equivalent rights to EU air carriers, as well as the UK ensuring conditions of fair competition. A proposal for a Regulation to ensure temporarily (for 12 months) the provision of certain air services between the UK and the EU. A proposal for a Regulation to extend temporarily (for 9 months) the validity of certain aviation safety licences The Commission has also adopted a proposal for a Regulation to allow UK operators to temporarily (nine months) carry goods into the EU, provided the UK confers equivalent rights to EU road haulage operators and subject to fair competition conditions. So basically, what they are saying is that, contrary to the bollocks tgat remainers have been saying on here, that flights from UK to tge EU will stop after 29th March next year, they will, actually, continue. And the unwritten thing here is that, they need accesss to our airspace, and want our tourists money....somethimg that remainers' scaremongering has said the opposite of. And that, irrespective of a deal or not, agreements can be made....something that remainers' scaremongering has been the opposite of. You really are having a problem with this aren't you? Yes it was claimed several times that the treaties and agreements that we are a part of will end on the 29th March. So we will be unable to legally fly or maintain our planes. Unless some deal is worked out. The EU has offered us a deal on this. And if we accept it, then we can keep our planes flying. If we don't accept it then we need to come up with a counter offer and some other deal and hope that gets accepted by them. If no deal is agreed then the planes will not be flying. Simple as that. Nothing has changed. -Matt Just watched the BBC 10pm news. The BBC report said the EU's "no deal planning" allows for planes to keep flying, for lorries to continue on through Dover and Calais speedily, for uk banks to continue operating as normal in the EU and for mutual recognition on citizens rights to continue for at least 2 years. Project fear that remainers have been peddling here has been dealt a death blow today by none other than the EU itself. It's being reported as a "No Deal agreement". You can continue being pedantic over this if you like but it's pretty obvious you're just arguing now for arguments sake. Now your quoting the BBC.. Who you have sagged off repeatedly as being the mouthpiece of the Government etc.. You've really changed..
It doesn't matter if it's the BBC, Sky news, itv news, channel 4 news, channel 5 news, Fox news, CNN or RT, they are all reporting it as the EU's "No Deal planning".
Whereby a deal is being done..?
Is it? I don't agree with much of what EasyUk says on here but in a earlier post on this thread he said he thought it wasn't a deal and the EU were offering these things unilaterally in the event of no deal. "This is subject to the UK conferring equivalent rights to EU air carriers, as well as the UK ensuring conditions of fair competition. | |||
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"here is the actual wording from the European commission..... Transport The Commission has today adopted two measures that will avoid full interruption of air traffic between the EU and the UK in the event of no deal. These measures will only ensure basic connectivity and in no means replicate the significant advantages of membership of the Single European Sky. This is subject to the UK conferring equivalent rights to EU air carriers, as well as the UK ensuring conditions of fair competition. A proposal for a Regulation to ensure temporarily (for 12 months) the provision of certain air services between the UK and the EU. A proposal for a Regulation to extend temporarily (for 9 months) the validity of certain aviation safety licences The Commission has also adopted a proposal for a Regulation to allow UK operators to temporarily (nine months) carry goods into the EU, provided the UK confers equivalent rights to EU road haulage operators and subject to fair competition conditions. So basically, what they are saying is that, contrary to the bollocks tgat remainers have been saying on here, that flights from UK to tge EU will stop after 29th March next year, they will, actually, continue. And the unwritten thing here is that, they need accesss to our airspace, and want our tourists money....somethimg that remainers' scaremongering has said the opposite of. And that, irrespective of a deal or not, agreements can be made....something that remainers' scaremongering has been the opposite of. You really are having a problem with this aren't you? Yes it was claimed several times that the treaties and agreements that we are a part of will end on the 29th March. So we will be unable to legally fly or maintain our planes. Unless some deal is worked out. The EU has offered us a deal on this. And if we accept it, then we can keep our planes flying. If we don't accept it then we need to come up with a counter offer and some other deal and hope that gets accepted by them. If no deal is agreed then the planes will not be flying. Simple as that. Nothing has changed. -Matt Just watched the BBC 10pm news. The BBC report said the EU's "no deal planning" allows for planes to keep flying, for lorries to continue on through Dover and Calais speedily, for uk banks to continue operating as normal in the EU and for mutual recognition on citizens rights to continue for at least 2 years. Project fear that remainers have been peddling here has been dealt a death blow today by none other than the EU itself. It's being reported as a "No Deal agreement". You can continue being pedantic over this if you like but it's pretty obvious you're just arguing now for arguments sake. Now your quoting the BBC.. Who you have sagged off repeatedly as being the mouthpiece of the Government etc.. You've really changed..
It doesn't matter if it's the BBC, Sky news, itv news, channel 4 news, channel 5 news, Fox news, CNN or RT, they are all reporting it as the EU's "No Deal planning".
Whereby a deal is being done..?
Is it? I don't agree with much of what EasyUk says on here but in a earlier post on this thread he said he thought it wasn't a deal and the EU were offering these things unilaterally in the event of no deal. "If its not a deal then what have you and other Brexiteers been crowing about all day? Correction you don't agree with anything he says and yes he may be correct in how and why but it is still being offered and when we accept as we are in the reality of what may come then it will be a deal.. | |||
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"here is the actual wording from the European commission..... Transport The Commission has today adopted two measures that will avoid full interruption of air traffic between the EU and the UK in the event of no deal. These measures will only ensure basic connectivity and in no means replicate the significant advantages of membership of the Single European Sky. This is subject to the UK conferring equivalent rights to EU air carriers, as well as the UK ensuring conditions of fair competition. A proposal for a Regulation to ensure temporarily (for 12 months) the provision of certain air services between the UK and the EU. A proposal for a Regulation to extend temporarily (for 9 months) the validity of certain aviation safety licences The Commission has also adopted a proposal for a Regulation to allow UK operators to temporarily (nine months) carry goods into the EU, provided the UK confers equivalent rights to EU road haulage operators and subject to fair competition conditions. So basically, what they are saying is that, contrary to the bollocks tgat remainers have been saying on here, that flights from UK to tge EU will stop after 29th March next year, they will, actually, continue. And the unwritten thing here is that, they need accesss to our airspace, and want our tourists money....somethimg that remainers' scaremongering has said the opposite of. And that, irrespective of a deal or not, agreements can be made....something that remainers' scaremongering has been the opposite of. You really are having a problem with this aren't you? Yes it was claimed several times that the treaties and agreements that we are a part of will end on the 29th March. So we will be unable to legally fly or maintain our planes. Unless some deal is worked out. The EU has offered us a deal on this. And if we accept it, then we can keep our planes flying. If we don't accept it then we need to come up with a counter offer and some other deal and hope that gets accepted by them. If no deal is agreed then the planes will not be flying. Simple as that. Nothing has changed. -Matt Just watched the BBC 10pm news. The BBC report said the EU's "no deal planning" allows for planes to keep flying, for lorries to continue on through Dover and Calais speedily, for uk banks to continue operating as normal in the EU and for mutual recognition on citizens rights to continue for at least 2 years. Project fear that remainers have been peddling here has been dealt a death blow today by none other than the EU itself. It's being reported as a "No Deal agreement". You can continue being pedantic over this if you like but it's pretty obvious you're just arguing now for arguments sake. Now your quoting the BBC.. Who you have sagged off repeatedly as being the mouthpiece of the Government etc.. You've really changed..
It doesn't matter if it's the BBC, Sky news, itv news, channel 4 news, channel 5 news, Fox news, CNN or RT, they are all reporting it as the EU's "No Deal planning".
Whereby a deal is being done..?
Is it? I don't agree with much of what EasyUk says on here but in a earlier post on this thread he said he thought it wasn't a deal and the EU were offering these things unilaterally in the event of no deal. "Ha. Still being selective on what you read and understand
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We will accept what we offer a supplicants or try to negotiate.
The EU can't grant us the right to fly internationally.
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"here is the actual wording from the European commission..... Transport The Commission has today adopted two measures that will avoid full interruption of air traffic between the EU and the UK in the event of no deal. These measures will only ensure basic connectivity and in no means replicate the significant advantages of membership of the Single European Sky. This is subject to the UK conferring equivalent rights to EU air carriers, as well as the UK ensuring conditions of fair competition. A proposal for a Regulation to ensure temporarily (for 12 months) the provision of certain air services between the UK and the EU. A proposal for a Regulation to extend temporarily (for 9 months) the validity of certain aviation safety licences The Commission has also adopted a proposal for a Regulation to allow UK operators to temporarily (nine months) carry goods into the EU, provided the UK confers equivalent rights to EU road haulage operators and subject to fair competition conditions. So basically, what they are saying is that, contrary to the bollocks tgat remainers have been saying on here, that flights from UK to tge EU will stop after 29th March next year, they will, actually, continue. And the unwritten thing here is that, they need accesss to our airspace, and want our tourists money....somethimg that remainers' scaremongering has said the opposite of. And that, irrespective of a deal or not, agreements can be made....something that remainers' scaremongering has been the opposite of. You really are having a problem with this aren't you? Yes it was claimed several times that the treaties and agreements that we are a part of will end on the 29th March. So we will be unable to legally fly or maintain our planes. Unless some deal is worked out. The EU has offered us a deal on this. And if we accept it, then we can keep our planes flying. If we don't accept it then we need to come up with a counter offer and some other deal and hope that gets accepted by them. If no deal is agreed then the planes will not be flying. Simple as that. Nothing has changed. -Matt Just watched the BBC 10pm news. The BBC report said the EU's "no deal planning" allows for planes to keep flying, for lorries to continue on through Dover and Calais speedily, for uk banks to continue operating as normal in the EU and for mutual recognition on citizens rights to continue for at least 2 years. Project fear that remainers have been peddling here has been dealt a death blow today by none other than the EU itself. It's being reported as a "No Deal agreement". You can continue being pedantic over this if you like but it's pretty obvious you're just arguing now for arguments sake. Now your quoting the BBC.. Who you have sagged off repeatedly as being the mouthpiece of the Government etc.. You've really changed..
It doesn't matter if it's the BBC, Sky news, itv news, channel 4 news, channel 5 news, Fox news, CNN or RT, they are all reporting it as the EU's "No Deal planning".
Whereby a deal is being done..?
Is it? I don't agree with much of what EasyUk says on here but in a earlier post on this thread he said he thought it wasn't a deal and the EU were offering these things unilaterally in the event of no deal.
Ha. Still being selective on what you read and understand
They have just dictated to us what they will allow for their benefit.
We will accept what we offer a supplicants or try to negotiate.
The EU can't grant us the right to fly internationally.
We have no control.
Do you understand?"We can dictate to them what we will allow for our benefit. They will accept what we offer as supplicants or try to negotiate. We have control over allowing them access to our airspace and we have control over allowing them to land on UK territory. Your assumption we have no control is therfore false. Do you understand? | |||
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"here is the actual wording from the European commission..... Transport The Commission has today adopted two measures that will avoid full interruption of air traffic between the EU and the UK in the event of no deal. These measures will only ensure basic connectivity and in no means replicate the significant advantages of membership of the Single European Sky. This is subject to the UK conferring equivalent rights to EU air carriers, as well as the UK ensuring conditions of fair competition. A proposal for a Regulation to ensure temporarily (for 12 months) the provision of certain air services between the UK and the EU. A proposal for a Regulation to extend temporarily (for 9 months) the validity of certain aviation safety licences The Commission has also adopted a proposal for a Regulation to allow UK operators to temporarily (nine months) carry goods into the EU, provided the UK confers equivalent rights to EU road haulage operators and subject to fair competition conditions. So basically, what they are saying is that, contrary to the bollocks tgat remainers have been saying on here, that flights from UK to tge EU will stop after 29th March next year, they will, actually, continue. And the unwritten thing here is that, they need accesss to our airspace, and want our tourists money....somethimg that remainers' scaremongering has said the opposite of. And that, irrespective of a deal or not, agreements can be made....something that remainers' scaremongering has been the opposite of. You really are having a problem with this aren't you? Yes it was claimed several times that the treaties and agreements that we are a part of will end on the 29th March. So we will be unable to legally fly or maintain our planes. Unless some deal is worked out. The EU has offered us a deal on this. And if we accept it, then we can keep our planes flying. If we don't accept it then we need to come up with a counter offer and some other deal and hope that gets accepted by them. If no deal is agreed then the planes will not be flying. Simple as that. Nothing has changed. -Matt Just watched the BBC 10pm news. The BBC report said the EU's "no deal planning" allows for planes to keep flying, for lorries to continue on through Dover and Calais speedily, for uk banks to continue operating as normal in the EU and for mutual recognition on citizens rights to continue for at least 2 years. Project fear that remainers have been peddling here has been dealt a death blow today by none other than the EU itself. It's being reported as a "No Deal agreement". You can continue being pedantic over this if you like but it's pretty obvious you're just arguing now for arguments sake. Now your quoting the BBC.. Who you have sagged off repeatedly as being the mouthpiece of the Government etc.. You've really changed..
It doesn't matter if it's the BBC, Sky news, itv news, channel 4 news, channel 5 news, Fox news, CNN or RT, they are all reporting it as the EU's "No Deal planning".
Whereby a deal is being done..?
Is it? I don't agree with much of what EasyUk says on here but in a earlier post on this thread he said he thought it wasn't a deal and the EU were offering these things unilaterally in the event of no deal.
Ha. Still being selective on what you read and understand
They have just dictated to us what they will allow for their benefit.
We will accept what we offer a supplicants or try to negotiate.
The EU can't grant us the right to fly internationally.
We have no control.
Do you understand?
We can dictate to them what we will allow for our benefit.
They will accept what we offer as supplicants or try to negotiate.
We have control over allowing them access to our airspace and we have control over allowing them to land on UK territory.
Your assumption we have no control is therfore false.
Do you understand? "Closing our airspace wouldn't really help with negotiating international flights with ICAO. It would also isolate us. Not so open for business. The EU probably wouldn't feel that cut-off. Just a thought. Good effort You may need to work on your game theory though  | |||
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"well i repeat i think you should get on to the bbc oh and also andrew marr and tell them they are spreading false news. I'm not saying you are wrong at all here but after the misinformation news outlets have been guilty of I wouldn't take anything they say as red without going to the source of "said" article's. don't worry..andy costa is cheering the fact that the flight service to the EU won't be as good on march 30th as it is on march 29th!!!! thats the brexiteers "victory" these days...... Yes, something that only turns out shite instead of a catastrophy is a BREXIT win nobody is saying its a brexit win im just saying you were all talking shit before and should at least take a bit of pleasure that the disaster you predicted hasnt happened for the time being and im sure in time a better agreement can be reached.
Why not just stick to the perfectly good arrangements we have now?
As for your house in Spain: I hope you don't spend too much time there, especially if we leave the EU with 'no deal'. You'll be limited to a rolling 90 days in each rolling year. And that 90 days is for the whole of the EU and EEA.
"yeah guess so will probably have to sell my car over there too.Will have to pay alot more tax too if i sell it not being a european anymore but im not in it for the money im just glad that those bloodsuckers in brussels wont be getting anymore of our money. | |||
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"So when they say leave on a no deal basis they mean leaving on a deal basis.. After all it’s a deal that’s keeping some flights going. When people talk of no deal they are talking about leaving the EU to trade on WTO rules. There is a managed no deal where we leave to trade on WTO terms but agree a mutual recognition on basic things like aviation and citizens rights. The crap about flights being grounded was and still is a Project fear fantasy, that was never going to happen and won't happen in future. The EU's own no deal planning released today has fully exposed the Project Fear scaremongering put about by the likes of Fabio on here to be the bullshit that it always was. " Managed no deal is an oxymoron | |||
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"I live in the EU and we will be fucked if we can't fly with ease between Eire and UK and for that matter catch connecting flights in UK when needed" Don't worry...you will be able to. | |||
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"So when they say leave on a no deal basis they mean leaving on a deal basis.. After all it’s a deal that’s keeping some flights going. When people talk of no deal they are talking about leaving the EU to trade on WTO rules. There is a managed no deal where we leave to trade on WTO terms but agree a mutual recognition on basic things like aviation and citizens rights. The crap about flights being grounded was and still is a Project fear fantasy, that was never going to happen and won't happen in future. The EU's own no deal planning released today has fully exposed the Project Fear scaremongering put about by the likes of Fabio on here to be the bullshit that it always was. Managed no deal is an oxymoron" | |||
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"Do all flights get cancelled when a bird fly's around Airport Airspace ?" Well Gatwick has been closed since yesterday evening and still is closed! Stopping those elites going on holiday for Xmas! | |||
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"here is the actual wording from the European commission..... Transport The Commission has today adopted two measures that will avoid full interruption of air traffic between the EU and the UK in the event of no deal. These measures will only ensure basic connectivity and in no means replicate the significant advantages of membership of the Single European Sky. This is subject to the UK conferring equivalent rights to EU air carriers, as well as the UK ensuring conditions of fair competition. A proposal for a Regulation to ensure temporarily (for 12 months) the provision of certain air services between the UK and the EU. A proposal for a Regulation to extend temporarily (for 9 months) the validity of certain aviation safety licences The Commission has also adopted a proposal for a Regulation to allow UK operators to temporarily (nine months) carry goods into the EU, provided the UK confers equivalent rights to EU road haulage operators and subject to fair competition conditions. So basically, what they are saying is that, contrary to the bollocks tgat remainers have been saying on here, that flights from UK to tge EU will stop after 29th March next year, they will, actually, continue. And the unwritten thing here is that, they need accesss to our airspace, and want our tourists money....somethimg that remainers' scaremongering has said the opposite of. And that, irrespective of a deal or not, agreements can be made....something that remainers' scaremongering has been the opposite of. You really are having a problem with this aren't you? Yes it was claimed several times that the treaties and agreements that we are a part of will end on the 29th March. So we will be unable to legally fly or maintain our planes. Unless some deal is worked out. The EU has offered us a deal on this. And if we accept it, then we can keep our planes flying. If we don't accept it then we need to come up with a counter offer and some other deal and hope that gets accepted by them. If no deal is agreed then the planes will not be flying. Simple as that. Nothing has changed. -Matt Just watched the BBC 10pm news. The BBC report said the EU's "no deal planning" allows for planes to keep flying, for lorries to continue on through Dover and Calais speedily, for uk banks to continue operating as normal in the EU and for mutual recognition on citizens rights to continue for at least 2 years. Project fear that remainers have been peddling here has been dealt a death blow today by none other than the EU itself. It's being reported as a "No Deal agreement". You can continue being pedantic over this if you like but it's pretty obvious you're just arguing now for arguments sake. Now your quoting the BBC.. Who you have sagged off repeatedly as being the mouthpiece of the Government etc.. You've really changed..
It doesn't matter if it's the BBC, Sky news, itv news, channel 4 news, channel 5 news, Fox news, CNN or RT, they are all reporting it as the EU's "No Deal planning".
Whereby a deal is being done..?
Is it? I don't agree with much of what EasyUk says on here but in a earlier post on this thread he said he thought it wasn't a deal and the EU were offering these things unilaterally in the event of no deal.
Ha. Still being selective on what you read and understand
They have just dictated to us what they will allow for their benefit.
We will accept what we offer a supplicants or try to negotiate.
The EU can't grant us the right to fly internationally.
We have no control.
Do you understand?
We can dictate to them what we will allow for our benefit.
They will accept what we offer as supplicants or try to negotiate.
We have control over allowing them access to our airspace and we have control over allowing them to land on UK territory.
Your assumption we have no control is therfore false.
Do you understand? "Do we know what our terms are ? Have we negotiated with them yet ? Yesterday’s news was seemed to be from the EU only so it’s next clear if it’s part of a manger deal at our end. Why do you think aviation is something we have a stronger hand on ? Avoiding Eu airspace seems costly to us. How does freedom of the airs work with not letting th land ? | |||
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"Erm, the elites fly private planes out of RAF Northholt. You’ll rarely see anyone super wealthy at Heathrow, much less Gatwick. " Tongue in cheek response from me. | |||
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"Will flying from a “third country” into the EU cost more money? I know we will soon have to pay to enter the Schengen zone." I think the days of "cheap " are coming to an end. There will be more costs involved and the companies will not be able to "not pass on" those costs to the consumer. | |||
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"Just been made clear on the tv a no deal ,planes will still fly to Europe under a 20 y/o agreement the pilots will have to change their licence to an eu one which is just administrative but planes can fly to europe from the uk they just cant continue on to another european country.for eg cant stop in madrid then go on to milan,but can stop in europe and fly on to a non eu country.So all those so called experts who were telling us on here a few months ago that air travel would come to a halt were wrong." Told you so months ago it was obvious,common sense does exist the only ones without it are remainers it seems.It was only ever scare mongering | |||
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"Just been made clear on the tv a no deal ,planes will still fly to Europe under a 20 y/o agreement the pilots will have to change their licence to an eu one which is just administrative but planes can fly to europe from the uk they just cant continue on to another european country.for eg cant stop in madrid then go on to milan,but can stop in europe and fly on to a non eu country.So all those so called experts who were telling us on here a few months ago that air travel would come to a halt were wrong.Told you so months ago it was obvious,common sense does exist the only ones without it are remainers it seems.It was only ever scare mongering" Will air travel remain the same post 30/3? No it won't. Does it matter that our planes can't fly internally in EU? Yes it does. Why? Because maximising the usage of expensive assets enables fares to be lower. The plane you flew in from UK doesnt always return to UK currently, it may well be used for short hops inside the EU. If the assets can't be sweated the costs wont be heaped on shareholders but on passengers. Oddly, most things are a bit more complicated than most remainers would have us believe | |||
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" Told you so months ago it was obvious,common sense does exist the only ones without it are remainers it seems.It was only ever scare mongering" Is it 'common sense' or 'its not rocket science'? | |||
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"Just been made clear on the tv a no deal ,planes will still fly to Europe under a 20 y/o agreement the pilots will have to change their licence to an eu one which is just administrative but planes can fly to europe from the uk they just cant continue on to another european country.for eg cant stop in madrid then go on to milan,but can stop in europe and fly on to a non eu country.So all those so called experts who were telling us on here a few months ago that air travel would come to a halt were wrong.Told you so months ago it was obvious,common sense does exist the only ones without it are remainers it seems.It was only ever scare mongering Will air travel remain the same post 30/3? No it won't. Does it matter that our planes can't fly internally in EU? Yes it does. Why? Because maximising the usage of expensive assets enables fares to be lower. The plane you flew in from UK doesnt always return to UK currently, it may well be used for short hops inside the EU. If the assets can't be sweated the costs wont be heaped on shareholders but on passengers. Oddly, most things are a bit more complicated than most remainers would have us believe" The UK will be able to do short hop flights in mainland Europe after Brexit though and here's why. Say a plane flys from England to Spain for example, that plane could then fly from Spain to Gibraltar which is a sovereign UK territory. Planes could refuel at Gibraltar airport before flying onto other countries inside the EU. As usual it seems the idiotic muppets in Brussels haven't really thought this through properly. | |||
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"Just been made clear on the tv a no deal ,planes will still fly to Europe under a 20 y/o agreement the pilots will have to change their licence to an eu one which is just administrative but planes can fly to europe from the uk they just cant continue on to another european country.for eg cant stop in madrid then go on to milan,but can stop in europe and fly on to a non eu country.So all those so called experts who were telling us on here a few months ago that air travel would come to a halt were wrong.Told you so months ago it was obvious,common sense does exist the only ones without it are remainers it seems.It was only ever scare mongering Will air travel remain the same post 30/3? No it won't. Does it matter that our planes can't fly internally in EU? Yes it does. Why? Because maximising the usage of expensive assets enables fares to be lower. The plane you flew in from UK doesnt always return to UK currently, it may well be used for short hops inside the EU. If the assets can't be sweated the costs wont be heaped on shareholders but on passengers. Oddly, most things are a bit more complicated than most remainers would have us believe The UK will be able to do short hop flights in mainland Europe after Brexit though and here's why. Say a plane flys from England to Spain for example, that plane could then fly from Spain to Gibraltar which is a sovereign UK territory. Planes could refuel at Gibraltar airport before flying onto other countries inside the EU. As usual it seems the idiotic muppets in Brussels haven't really thought this through properly. " Seriously Centy? Did you actually just propose that? Did you actually propose that rather than our airlines be able to fly between nice popular hubs like Amsterdam and Paris, that we will be OK because they can always add Gibraltar in as a refuling hop. Have you ever even looked at a map to see where Gibraltar is? Nice and convenient mid-point for intra-EU flights, isn’t it? Every time I think you’ve said the stupidest thing you can, you seem to outdo yourself! -Matt | |||
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"Just been made clear on the tv a no deal ,planes will still fly to Europe under a 20 y/o agreement the pilots will have to change their licence to an eu one which is just administrative but planes can fly to europe from the uk they just cant continue on to another european country.for eg cant stop in madrid then go on to milan,but can stop in europe and fly on to a non eu country.So all those so called experts who were telling us on here a few months ago that air travel would come to a halt were wrong.Told you so months ago it was obvious,common sense does exist the only ones without it are remainers it seems.It was only ever scare mongering Will air travel remain the same post 30/3? No it won't. Does it matter that our planes can't fly internally in EU? Yes it does. Why? Because maximising the usage of expensive assets enables fares to be lower. The plane you flew in from UK doesnt always return to UK currently, it may well be used for short hops inside the EU. If the assets can't be sweated the costs wont be heaped on shareholders but on passengers. Oddly, most things are a bit more complicated than most remainers would have us believe The UK will be able to do short hop flights in mainland Europe after Brexit though and here's why. Say a plane flys from England to Spain for example, that plane could then fly from Spain to Gibraltar which is a sovereign UK territory. Planes could refuel at Gibraltar airport before flying onto other countries inside the EU. As usual it seems the idiotic muppets in Brussels haven't really thought this through properly. Seriously Centy? Did you actually just propose that? Did you actually propose that rather than our airlines be able to fly between nice popular hubs like Amsterdam and Paris, that we will be OK because they can always add Gibraltar in as a refuling hop. Have you ever even looked at a map to see where Gibraltar is? Nice and convenient mid-point for intra-EU flights, isn’t it? Every time I think you’ve said the stupidest thing you can, you seem to outdo yourself! -Matt" No I was just pointing out that the poster I quoted was wrong when he said the UK can't do short hop flights anymore after Brexit. The scenario I highlighted shows that we can. | |||
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"Just been made clear on the tv a no deal ,planes will still fly to Europe under a 20 y/o agreement the pilots will have to change their licence to an eu one which is just administrative but planes can fly to europe from the uk they just cant continue on to another european country.for eg cant stop in madrid then go on to milan,but can stop in europe and fly on to a non eu country.So all those so called experts who were telling us on here a few months ago that air travel would come to a halt were wrong.Told you so months ago it was obvious,common sense does exist the only ones without it are remainers it seems.It was only ever scare mongering Will air travel remain the same post 30/3? No it won't. Does it matter that our planes can't fly internally in EU? Yes it does. Why? Because maximising the usage of expensive assets enables fares to be lower. The plane you flew in from UK doesnt always return to UK currently, it may well be used for short hops inside the EU. If the assets can't be sweated the costs wont be heaped on shareholders but on passengers. Oddly, most things are a bit more complicated than most remainers would have us believe The UK will be able to do short hop flights in mainland Europe after Brexit though and here's why. Say a plane flys from England to Spain for example, that plane could then fly from Spain to Gibraltar which is a sovereign UK territory. Planes could refuel at Gibraltar airport before flying onto other countries inside the EU. As usual it seems the idiotic muppets in Brussels haven't really thought this through properly. " Now you’re really getting desperate! Perhaps we should have used the old ark royal moored in the north sea as an independent transfer hub to get around it? Oh hang on a minute though, its not big enough to land large planes on and doesnt have the capacity to handle the volume....a bit like gibraltar really! Muppet!  | |||
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" The UK will be able to do short hop flights in mainland Europe after Brexit though and here's why. Say a plane flys from England to Spain for example, that plane could then fly from Spain to Gibraltar which is a sovereign UK territory. Planes could refuel at Gibraltar airport before flying onto other countries inside the EU. As usual it seems the idiotic muppets in Brussels haven't really thought this through properly. " You might want to apply some basic maths to your idea. Aircraft are marginally profitable at the best of times and efficient sectoring and loading is the most critical aspect of the whole financial model. Empty legging to/from Gibraltar with all the associates fees and charges, let alone fuel wastage is such a bonkers idea that it is not even worth anyone (let alone the EU) thinking it through. | |||
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" The UK will be able to do short hop flights in mainland Europe after Brexit though and here's why. Say a plane flys from England to Spain for example, that plane could then fly from Spain to Gibraltar which is a sovereign UK territory. Planes could refuel at Gibraltar airport before flying onto other countries inside the EU. As usual it seems the idiotic muppets in Brussels haven't really thought this through properly. You might want to apply some basic maths to your idea. Aircraft are marginally profitable at the best of times and efficient sectoring and loading is the most critical aspect of the whole financial model. Empty legging to/from Gibraltar with all the associates fees and charges, let alone fuel wastage is such a bonkers idea that it is not even worth anyone (let alone the EU) thinking it through." What if we paint the planes blue? Will that fix it? -Matt | |||
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"Just been made clear on the tv a no deal ,planes will still fly to Europe under a 20 y/o agreement the pilots will have to change their licence to an eu one which is just administrative but planes can fly to europe from the uk they just cant continue on to another european country.for eg cant stop in madrid then go on to milan,but can stop in europe and fly on to a non eu country.So all those so called experts who were telling us on here a few months ago that air travel would come to a halt were wrong.Told you so months ago it was obvious,common sense does exist the only ones without it are remainers it seems.It was only ever scare mongering Will air travel remain the same post 30/3? No it won't. Does it matter that our planes can't fly internally in EU? Yes it does. Why? Because maximising the usage of expensive assets enables fares to be lower. The plane you flew in from UK doesnt always return to UK currently, it may well be used for short hops inside the EU. If the assets can't be sweated the costs wont be heaped on shareholders but on passengers. Oddly, most things are a bit more complicated than most remainers would have us believe The UK will be able to do short hop flights in mainland Europe after Brexit though and here's why. Say a plane flys from England to Spain for example, that plane could then fly from Spain to Gibraltar which is a sovereign UK territory. Planes could refuel at Gibraltar airport before flying onto other countries inside the EU. As usual it seems the idiotic muppets in Brussels haven't really thought this through properly. Seriously Centy? Did you actually just propose that? Did you actually propose that rather than our airlines be able to fly between nice popular hubs like Amsterdam and Paris, that we will be OK because they can always add Gibraltar in as a refuling hop. Have you ever even looked at a map to see where Gibraltar is? Nice and convenient mid-point for intra-EU flights, isn’t it? Every time I think you’ve said the stupidest thing you can, you seem to outdo yourself! -Matt No I was just pointing out that the poster I quoted was wrong when he said the UK can't do short hop flights anymore after Brexit. The scenario I highlighted shows that we can. " We can always use the fucking Falkland's too so fuck them EU cnuts | |||
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" The UK will be able to do short hop flights in mainland Europe after Brexit though and here's why. Say a plane flys from England to Spain for example, that plane could then fly from Spain to Gibraltar which is a sovereign UK territory. Planes could refuel at Gibraltar airport before flying onto other countries inside the EU. As usual it seems the idiotic muppets in Brussels haven't really thought this through properly. You might want to apply some basic maths to your idea. Aircraft are marginally profitable at the best of times and efficient sectoring and loading is the most critical aspect of the whole financial model. Empty legging to/from Gibraltar with all the associates fees and charges, let alone fuel wastage is such a bonkers idea that it is not even worth anyone (let alone the EU) thinking it through. What if we paint the planes blue? Will that fix it? -Matt" Simple question for you Matt, and for a simpleton like you a yes or no answer is sufficient. If a plane flies from UK to Spain and then onto Gibraltar is that classed as a short haul or short hop flight? Yes or no? | |||
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" The UK will be able to do short hop flights in mainland Europe after Brexit though and here's why. Say a plane flys from England to Spain for example, that plane could then fly from Spain to Gibraltar which is a sovereign UK territory. Planes could refuel at Gibraltar airport before flying onto other countries inside the EU. As usual it seems the idiotic muppets in Brussels haven't really thought this through properly. " Actually UK companies WONT be able to do this as the EU have specific language about using the spirit of the agreement to gain a competitive advantage..... Again.... how can you like and keep such a straight face? Do you keep having to tell yourself you’re not lying to keep lying? | |||
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" Simple question for you Matt, and for a simpleton like you a yes or no answer is sufficient. If a plane flies from UK to Spain and then onto Gibraltar is that classed as a short haul or short hop flight? Yes or no? " You get a sexual "kick" out of slagging people off all the time or something Centy ? | |||
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"Just been made clear on the tv a no deal ,planes will still fly to Europe under a 20 y/o agreement the pilots will have to change their licence to an eu one which is just administrative but planes can fly to europe from the uk they just cant continue on to another european country.for eg cant stop in madrid then go on to milan,but can stop in europe and fly on to a non eu country.So all those so called experts who were telling us on here a few months ago that air travel would come to a halt were wrong.Told you so months ago it was obvious,common sense does exist the only ones without it are remainers it seems.It was only ever scare mongering Will air travel remain the same post 30/3? No it won't. Does it matter that our planes can't fly internally in EU? Yes it does. Why? Because maximising the usage of expensive assets enables fares to be lower. The plane you flew in from UK doesnt always return to UK currently, it may well be used for short hops inside the EU. If the assets can't be sweated the costs wont be heaped on shareholders but on passengers. Oddly, most things are a bit more complicated than most remainers would have us believe The UK will be able to do short hop flights in mainland Europe after Brexit though and here's why. Say a plane flys from England to Spain for example, that plane could then fly from Spain to Gibraltar which is a sovereign UK territory. Planes could refuel at Gibraltar airport before flying onto other countries inside the EU. As usual it seems the idiotic muppets in Brussels haven't really thought this through properly. Now you’re really getting desperate! Perhaps we should have used the old ark royal moored in the north sea as an independent transfer hub to get around it? Oh hang on a minute though, its not big enough to land large planes on and doesnt have the capacity to handle the volume....a bit like gibraltar really! Muppet! "Gibraltar international airport is an international airport. The clue is in the name you muppet. Companies like EasyJet, and British Airways do flights to and from Gibraltar international airport so your point about it not being able to handle large planes is false and wrong. | |||
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" The UK will be able to do short hop flights in mainland Europe after Brexit though and here's why. Say a plane flys from England to Spain for example, that plane could then fly from Spain to Gibraltar which is a sovereign UK territory. Planes could refuel at Gibraltar airport before flying onto other countries inside the EU. As usual it seems the idiotic muppets in Brussels haven't really thought this through properly. Actually UK companies WONT be able to do this as the EU have specific language about using the spirit of the agreement to gain a competitive advantage..... Again.... how can you like and keep such a straight face? Do you keep having to tell yourself you’re not lying to keep lying?" Is that legally binding or is it just a meaningless non legally binding declaration a bit like the future trade declaration of May's EU withdrawal deal. | |||
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" The UK will be able to do short hop flights in mainland Europe after Brexit though and here's why. Say a plane flys from England to Spain for example, that plane could then fly from Spain to Gibraltar which is a sovereign UK territory. Planes could refuel at Gibraltar airport before flying onto other countries inside the EU. As usual it seems the idiotic muppets in Brussels haven't really thought this through properly. You might want to apply some basic maths to your idea. Aircraft are marginally profitable at the best of times and efficient sectoring and loading is the most critical aspect of the whole financial model. Empty legging to/from Gibraltar with all the associates fees and charges, let alone fuel wastage is such a bonkers idea that it is not even worth anyone (let alone the EU) thinking it through. What if we paint the planes blue? Will that fix it? -Matt Simple question for you Matt, and for a simpleton like you a yes or no answer is sufficient. If a plane flies from UK to Spain and then onto Gibraltar is that classed as a short haul or short hop flight? Yes or no? " I’ll just interject here and ask you a real question Centy. Do you believe that it is either economically viable or physically possible for gibraltar to accommodate the number of flights travelling to and from the uk to Europe each day and if as I suspect you know the answer is no then why are you making such a fool of yourself by introducing such a fallacious and pointless concept into the debate? Oh and please try answering the question rather than avoiding it with one of your pithy little comments, if you can manage that? | |||
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" Simple question for you Matt, and for a simpleton like you a yes or no answer is sufficient. If a plane flies from UK to Spain and then onto Gibraltar is that classed as a short haul or short hop flight? Yes or no? You get a sexual "kick" out of slagging people off all the time or something Centy ?" Maybe when you start being objective and drop your bias and call out those on this thread who have slagged me off, I may give you an answer. In short if people don't like it then they shouldn't dish it out in the first place should they. | |||
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" The UK will be able to do short hop flights in mainland Europe after Brexit though and here's why. Say a plane flys from England to Spain for example, that plane could then fly from Spain to Gibraltar which is a sovereign UK territory. Planes could refuel at Gibraltar airport before flying onto other countries inside the EU. As usual it seems the idiotic muppets in Brussels haven't really thought this through properly. You might want to apply some basic maths to your idea. Aircraft are marginally profitable at the best of times and efficient sectoring and loading is the most critical aspect of the whole financial model. Empty legging to/from Gibraltar with all the associates fees and charges, let alone fuel wastage is such a bonkers idea that it is not even worth anyone (let alone the EU) thinking it through. What if we paint the planes blue? Will that fix it? -Matt Simple question for you Matt, and for a simpleton like you a yes or no answer is sufficient. If a plane flies from UK to Spain and then onto Gibraltar is that classed as a short haul or short hop flight? Yes or no? I’ll just interject here and ask you a real question Centy. Do you believe that it is either economically viable or physically possible for gibraltar to accommodate the number of flights travelling to and from the uk to Europe each day and if as I suspect you know the answer is no then why are you making such a fool of yourself by introducing such a fallacious and pointless concept into the debate? Oh and please try answering the question rather than avoiding it with one of your pithy little comments, if you can manage that? "I'm sure they could manage some extra capacity now as things stand if they wanted to and could build more terminals to accommodate more flights in future. Could be a potentially big boost for the Gibraltar economy. | |||
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" The UK will be able to do short hop flights in mainland Europe after Brexit though and here's why. Say a plane flys from England to Spain for example, that plane could then fly from Spain to Gibraltar which is a sovereign UK territory. Planes could refuel at Gibraltar airport before flying onto other countries inside the EU. As usual it seems the idiotic muppets in Brussels haven't really thought this through properly. Actually UK companies WONT be able to do this as the EU have specific language about using the spirit of the agreement to gain a competitive advantage..... Again.... how can you like and keep such a straight face? Do you keep having to tell yourself you’re not lying to keep lying? Is that legally binding or is it just a meaningless non legally binding declaration a bit like the future trade declaration of May's EU withdrawal deal. " Let me keep this in simple language for you... if you are not part of European open skies, you can’t operate planes as if they are part of European open skies.... As of March 30th, the UK are no longer a signee to European open skies | |||
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" I'm sure they could manage some extra capacity now as things stand if they wanted to and could build more terminals to accommodate more flights in future. Could be a potentially big boost for the Gibraltar economy. "You have clearly never been to Gib. It is a tiny little rock and the access to from Spain/Gib is across the runway. Literally every time there is an aircraft movement all traffic has to stop. Imagine a railway level crossing... Just like that. The only way that the airport is extending in a meaningful way is via a shared arrangement with Spain | |||
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" The UK will be able to do short hop flights in mainland Europe after Brexit though and here's why. Say a plane flys from England to Spain for example, that plane could then fly from Spain to Gibraltar which is a sovereign UK territory. Planes could refuel at Gibraltar airport before flying onto other countries inside the EU. As usual it seems the idiotic muppets in Brussels haven't really thought this through properly. Actually UK companies WONT be able to do this as the EU have specific language about using the spirit of the agreement to gain a competitive advantage..... Again.... how can you like and keep such a straight face? Do you keep having to tell yourself you’re not lying to keep lying? Is that legally binding or is it just a meaningless non legally binding declaration a bit like the future trade declaration of May's EU withdrawal deal. Let me keep this in simple language for you... if you are not part of European open skies, you can’t operate planes as if they are part of European open skies.... As of March 30th, the UK are no longer a signee to European open skies " yeah got that and understand but uk planes will still be flying which was the original post before people tried to deflect it. | |||
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" The UK will be able to do short hop flights in mainland Europe after Brexit though and here's why. Say a plane flys from England to Spain for example, that plane could then fly from Spain to Gibraltar which is a sovereign UK territory. Planes could refuel at Gibraltar airport before flying onto other countries inside the EU. As usual it seems the idiotic muppets in Brussels haven't really thought this through properly. Actually UK companies WONT be able to do this as the EU have specific language about using the spirit of the agreement to gain a competitive advantage..... Again.... how can you like and keep such a straight face? Do you keep having to tell yourself you’re not lying to keep lying? Is that legally binding or is it just a meaningless non legally binding declaration a bit like the future trade declaration of May's EU withdrawal deal. Let me keep this in simple language for you... if you are not part of European open skies, you can’t operate planes as if they are part of European open skies.... As of March 30th, the UK are no longer a signee to European open skies yeah got that and understand but uk planes will still be flying which was the original post before people tried to deflect it." Centy deflecting.... lol The point I made originally was that the wording in the agreement was a “basic and minimal service but not to the level of European open skies” Which is why I pointed out that whilst you are celebrating the fact that some planes will fly, the level of service on March 30th will be worse than than the level of service on March 29th.... | |||
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" The UK will be able to do short hop flights in mainland Europe after Brexit though and here's why. Say a plane flys from England to Spain for example, that plane could then fly from Spain to Gibraltar which is a sovereign UK territory. Planes could refuel at Gibraltar airport before flying onto other countries inside the EU. As usual it seems the idiotic muppets in Brussels haven't really thought this through properly. Actually UK companies WONT be able to do this as the EU have specific language about using the spirit of the agreement to gain a competitive advantage..... Again.... how can you like and keep such a straight face? Do you keep having to tell yourself you’re not lying to keep lying? Is that legally binding or is it just a meaningless non legally binding declaration a bit like the future trade declaration of May's EU withdrawal deal. Let me keep this in simple language for you... if you are not part of European open skies, you can’t operate planes as if they are part of European open skies.... As of March 30th, the UK are no longer a signee to European open skies yeah got that and understand but uk planes will still be flying which was the original post before people tried to deflect it. Centy deflecting.... lol The point I made originally was that the wording in the agreement was a “basic and minimal service but not to the level of European open skies” Which is why I pointed out that whilst you are celebrating the fact that some planes will fly, the level of service on March 30th will be worse than than the level of service on March 29th.... " To be fair that was not what you were saying a few weeks ago hence my op when the news came out. | |||
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" I'm sure they could manage some extra capacity now as things stand if they wanted to and could build more terminals to accommodate more flights in future. Could be a potentially big boost for the Gibraltar economy.
You have clearly never been to Gib. It is a tiny little rock and the access to from Spain/Gib is across the runway. Literally every time there is an aircraft movement all traffic has to stop. Imagine a railway level crossing... Just like that.
The only way that the airport is extending in a meaningful way is via a shared arrangement with Spain"If humans can put a man on the moon then it's not beyond the wit of Man to solve a problem like that. We have these things called tunnels and a tunnel could easily be built from Gibraltar into Spain under the runway to accommodate traffic. As you say would need an agreement with Spain, but just as the EU can be bribed with a £39 billion divorce settlement Spain could just as easily be bribed with a big wad of cash. | |||
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" The UK will be able to do short hop flights in mainland Europe after Brexit though and here's why. Say a plane flys from England to Spain for example, that plane could then fly from Spain to Gibraltar which is a sovereign UK territory. Planes could refuel at Gibraltar airport before flying onto other countries inside the EU. As usual it seems the idiotic muppets in Brussels haven't really thought this through properly. Actually UK companies WONT be able to do this as the EU have specific language about using the spirit of the agreement to gain a competitive advantage..... Again.... how can you like and keep such a straight face? Do you keep having to tell yourself you’re not lying to keep lying? Is that legally binding or is it just a meaningless non legally binding declaration a bit like the future trade declaration of May's EU withdrawal deal. Let me keep this in simple language for you... if you are not part of European open skies, you can’t operate planes as if they are part of European open skies.... As of March 30th, the UK are no longer a signee to European open skies yeah got that and understand but uk planes will still be flying which was the original post before people tried to deflect it. Centy deflecting.... lol The point I made originally was that the wording in the agreement was a “basic and minimal service but not to the level of European open skies” Which is why I pointed out that whilst you are celebrating the fact that some planes will fly, the level of service on March 30th will be worse than than the level of service on March 29th.... " Yeah but just a few short weeks ago you were saying all planes would be grounded Fabio. You've soon changed your tune now the EU has slapped you in the face with project reality. | |||
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" The UK will be able to do short hop flights in mainland Europe after Brexit though and here's why. Say a plane flys from England to Spain for example, that plane could then fly from Spain to Gibraltar which is a sovereign UK territory. Planes could refuel at Gibraltar airport before flying onto other countries inside the EU. As usual it seems the idiotic muppets in Brussels haven't really thought this through properly. Actually UK companies WONT be able to do this as the EU have specific language about using the spirit of the agreement to gain a competitive advantage..... Again.... how can you like and keep such a straight face? Do you keep having to tell yourself you’re not lying to keep lying? Is that legally binding or is it just a meaningless non legally binding declaration a bit like the future trade declaration of May's EU withdrawal deal. Let me keep this in simple language for you... if you are not part of European open skies, you can’t operate planes as if they are part of European open skies.... As of March 30th, the UK are no longer a signee to European open skies yeah got that and understand but uk planes will still be flying which was the original post before people tried to deflect it. Centy deflecting.... lol The point I made originally was that the wording in the agreement was a “basic and minimal service but not to the level of European open skies” Which is why I pointed out that whilst you are celebrating the fact that some planes will fly, the level of service on March 30th will be worse than than the level of service on March 29th.... Yeah but just a few short weeks ago you were saying all planes would be grounded Fabio. You've soon changed your tune now the EU has slapped you in the face with project reality. " As I’ve said before, project reality looks more like project fear with a few changes to take out the real big issues, than anything whixh was talked about by the leave campaign during the referendum. | |||
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" The UK will be able to do short hop flights in mainland Europe after Brexit though and here's why. Say a plane flys from England to Spain for example, that plane could then fly from Spain to Gibraltar which is a sovereign UK territory. Planes could refuel at Gibraltar airport before flying onto other countries inside the EU. As usual it seems the idiotic muppets in Brussels haven't really thought this through properly. You might want to apply some basic maths to your idea. Aircraft are marginally profitable at the best of times and efficient sectoring and loading is the most critical aspect of the whole financial model. Empty legging to/from Gibraltar with all the associates fees and charges, let alone fuel wastage is such a bonkers idea that it is not even worth anyone (let alone the EU) thinking it through. What if we paint the planes blue? Will that fix it? -Matt Simple question for you Matt, and for a simpleton like you a yes or no answer is sufficient. If a plane flies from UK to Spain and then onto Gibraltar is that classed as a short haul or short hop flight? Yes or no? " yes -Matt | |||
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