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"Billy Connolly who else " Can you imagine?  | |||
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"Nicola Sturgeon.... that would put the cat amongst the pigeons "Yes. | |||
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"Brian Blessed" | |||
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"Billy Connolly who else " He's already sorted The National Anthem out | |||
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"Me, I reckon I could run the country. "I reckon so too lol  | |||
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"If you could choose anyone? I like vince cable "Really? The man is so out of touch with the people it's almost laughable. Good thing really that he isn't a contender. | |||
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"Corbyn. " he couldnt run a washing machine never mind a country | |||
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"Corbyn. he couldnt run a washing machine never mind a country " | |||
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"Corbyn. " We're doomed! | |||
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"Corbyn. he couldnt run a washing machine never mind a country "Go on... | |||
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"Corbyn. he couldnt run a washing machine never mind a country "How about Dianne Abbott then? | |||
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"Corbyn. " We would all be totally fucked if it was Corbyn | |||
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"Corbyn. We would all be totally fucked if it was Corbyn " Go on.. | |||
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"Corbyn. We would all be totally fucked if it was Corbyn " At least we will get some sex | |||
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"Corbyn. he couldnt run a washing machine never mind a country
Go on..."go on what oh sorry did i forget a full stop | |||
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"Corbyn. he couldnt run a washing machine never mind a country
How about Dianne Abbott then? " | |||
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"Corbyn. he couldnt run a washing machine never mind a country
Go on...go on what oh sorry did i forget a full stop"No I mean elaborate on your argument. Is that it? | |||
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"Me, I reckon I could run the country. I reckon so too lol "well that's one vote. | |||
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"Why not the king of the jungle lol" I don't want it lol | |||
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"Corbyn. he couldnt run a washing machine never mind a country
How about Dianne Abbott then? "Dianne Abbot for chancellor of the Exchequer pmsl | |||
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"Corbyn. he couldnt run a washing machine never mind a country
Go on...go on what oh sorry did i forget a full stop
No I mean elaborate on your argument. Is that it?"No -the anti Corbyn Bruigade can never articulate an arguement against him -mainly because their own beloved Torries are doing such a sterling job at shafting what little is left in working order in this country. They especially love to praise things about the UK lik like a working health system, state pensions, time off on weekends and mandatory holiday pay forgetting full well that these were for the most part labour led innitiatives (or their predescessors such as the Liberal Party) -ho hum | |||
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"Corbyn. he couldnt run a washing machine never mind a country
Go on...go on what oh sorry did i forget a full stop
No I mean elaborate on your argument. Is that it?
No -the anti Corbyn Bruigade can never articulate an arguement against him -mainly because their own beloved Torries are doing such a sterling job at shafting what little is left in working order in this country. They especially love to praise things about the UK lik like a working health system, state pensions, time off on weekends and mandatory holiday pay forgetting full well that these were for the most part labour led innitiatives (or their predescessors such as the Liberal Party) -ho hum"Well no I know this lol. I wanted him to pretend to know what he's on about though at least. For s giggle. | |||
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"Keir Starmer is a potential future Prime Minister." I agree, he’s the most credible candidate for labour. I like Caroline Lucas a lot too. | |||
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"Bring back Margret thatcher if you could she would of fuck off Europe she had the guts to say so " You want to bring back Margaret fucking Thatcher? Cunting hell. | |||
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"It comes to something when Jeremy Hunt would seem a viable option " I'd rather gag on my own vomit than have this cunt in charge | |||
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"Keir Starmer is a potential future Prime Minister." Ha ha ha that's a good one. Tell me another | |||
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"Bring back Margret thatcher if you could she would of fuck off Europe she had the guts to say so " Love her or loathe her, she was one hell of a leader. The only problem with your argument is that she was in favour of tge European project. That said though, I do agree that, if she were in Theresa Mays position she would have been a lot stronger and told the EU exactly where to go | |||
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"Bring back Margret thatcher if you could she would of fuck off Europe she had the guts to say so Love her or loathe her, she was one hell of a leader. " Fuuuuuucking heeeeeeelllll so many Tories/Centrist Dads on here. Scary as all fuck | |||
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"Bring back Margret thatcher if you could she would of fuck off Europe she had the guts to say so Love her or loathe her, she was one hell of a leader. Fuuuuuucking heeeeeeelllll so many Tories/Centrist Dads on here. Scary as all fuck" im no tory just labours full of sheep we need stronger | |||
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"Corbyn. he couldnt run a washing machine never mind a country
Go on...go on what oh sorry did i forget a full stop
No I mean elaborate on your argument. Is that it?
No -the anti Corbyn Bruigade can never articulate an arguement against him -mainly because their own beloved Torries are doing such a sterling job at shafting what little is left in working order in this country. They especially love to praise things about the UK lik like a working health system, state pensions, time off on weekends and mandatory holiday pay forgetting full well that these were for the most part labour led innitiatives (or their predescessors such as the Liberal Party) -ho hum
Well no I know this lol. I wanted him to pretend to know what he's on about though at least. For s giggle."Yep -the country is so fucked that this is all we have left - cheap laughs. I share your pain mate really I do -but I would say you're probably wasting your time using fancy things like reason and logic against the emotive pavlovian instincts of those that get all their spleen spitting information from either the daily Mail or Murdoch himself. | |||
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"Bring back Margret thatcher if you could she would of fuck off Europe she had the guts to say so Love her or loathe her, she was one hell of a leader. Fuuuuuucking heeeeeeelllll so many Tories/Centrist Dads on here. Scary as all fuckim no tory just labours full of sheep we need stronger" I would agree at some level with you -but it's been an issue with not just labour but parties across the spectrum for a good while now. No party out there has any real concrete vision of where they want to take things -all they do is continually pander to big business and the nimby brigade without having the balls to address the issues that really matter. | |||
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"Corbyn. he couldnt run a washing machine never mind a country
Go on...go on what oh sorry did i forget a full stop
No I mean elaborate on your argument. Is that it?
No -the anti Corbyn Bruigade can never articulate an arguement against him -mainly because their own beloved Torries are doing such a sterling job at shafting what little is left in working order in this country. They especially love to praise things about the UK lik like a working health system, state pensions, time off on weekends and mandatory holiday pay forgetting full well that these were for the most part labour led innitiatives (or their predescessors such as the Liberal Party) -ho hum
Well no I know this lol. I wanted him to pretend to know what he's on about though at least. For s giggle."because he seems to me to be spineless when it counts Same as that may Fuck me id have jeremy clarkson offer him he is the definition of looser | |||
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"Me, I reckon I could run the country. I reckon so too lol
well that's one vote. "Yes, there is one vote for me to you | |||
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"Corbyn. he couldnt run a washing machine never mind a country
Go on...go on what oh sorry did i forget a full stop
No I mean elaborate on your argument. Is that it?
No -the anti Corbyn Bruigade can never articulate an arguement against him -mainly because their own beloved Torries are doing such a sterling job at shafting what little is left in working order in this country. They especially love to praise things about the UK lik like a working health system, state pensions, time off on weekends and mandatory holiday pay forgetting full well that these were for the most part labour led innitiatives (or their predescessors such as the Liberal Party) -ho hum
Well no I know this lol. I wanted him to pretend to know what he's on about though at least. For s giggle.because he seems to me to be spineless when it counts
Same as that may
Fuck me id have jeremy clarkson offer him he is the definition of looser"He's stayed leader despite an immemse smear campaign, seems the opposite of spineless to me. He has popular support too. Who knew? Let me know what Y The Sun or The Daily Mail say about him today. | |||
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"Bring back Margret thatcher if you could she would of fuck off Europe she had the guts to say so Love her or loathe her, she was one hell of a leader. Fuuuuuucking heeeeeeelllll so many Tories/Centrist Dads on here. Scary as all fuckim no tory just labours full of sheep we need stronger I would agree at some level with you -but it's been an issue with not just labour but parties across the spectrum for a good while now. No party out there has any real concrete vision of where they want to take things -all they do is continually pander to big business and the nimby brigade without having the balls to address the issues that really matter." Thats why Corbyn isn't popular with the establishment. Left wing politics, whilst being needed now more than ever, would fuck over a lot of people in power. | |||
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"Love her or hate her Margret thatcher got the job done but lot of people hated her never mind both parties are fucked " That argument can be applied to all despots too. Also she is dead! | |||
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"End of the day it doesn't matter what self serving arsehole is in charge, they are all only there for one thing THEMSELVES! Let's get out of this euro mess and go our own way without a deal then watch them line up to sell us their cars, wine and all the other crap we buy off of them. " This is obviously all getting a bit too much for you....a nice cup of tea required? | |||
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"The really sad thing about this mess is how it has divided the country. At every level - politics, business even families it's bitter. Will there ever be any reconciliation? " If families have allowed themselves to be divided over BREXIT then that's their fault for being so pathetic | |||
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"The really sad thing about this mess is how it has divided the country. At every level - politics, business even families it's bitter. Will there ever be any reconciliation? " That is sad, but the division within the country is a minor issue compared to all the shit we will have to deal with when we’re out of the EU. | |||
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"Love her or hate her Margret thatcher got the job done but lot of people hated her never mind both parties are fucked That argument can be applied to all despots too. Also she is dead! " Yes indeed. Pol Pot “got the job done”. | |||
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"The really sad thing about this mess is how it has divided the country. At every level - politics, business even families it's bitter. Will there ever be any reconciliation? If families have allowed themselves to be divided over BREXIT then that's their fault for being so pathetic "Perhaps. But it is real. I saw the same in Scotland in 2014. The divisiveness is wretched. | |||
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"The really sad thing about this mess is how it has divided the country. At every level - politics, business even families it's bitter. Will there ever be any reconciliation? " Yes it is and the northern ireland situation with the backstop and hard border that could be there. | |||
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"May has been weak and has not done what she was expected to in the mandate by the voters when it was decided that Leave was the choice. She will survive tonight but that will change nothing, if she were to be defeated then things will be no different. Corbyn is simply not an option in any way shape or form at any time for this country. Yes, in this situation the manner and attitude of Margaret Thatcher would have solved the problem. Europe would have been told what we were doing and they would have been in the position of begging for negotiation. Sadly we do not have another Mrs Thatcher. What I do not understand in all of this is why the fuss about a hard border between N. Ireland & Republic of Ireland. Are they not different countries? Do they not have different leaders/sovereignty? Do they not have different currencies? What is the problem? It is like comparing France and Belgium. Am I missing something here?" The people’s mandate was to trigger article 50 and leave the treaty of Rome. She is delivering that. Belgium is not part of a union. There aren’t swathes if people in France who want dance and Belgium to be one country. | |||
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"May has been weak and has not done what she was expected to in the mandate by the voters when it was decided that Leave was the choice. She will survive tonight but that will change nothing, if she were to be defeated then things will be no different. Corbyn is simply not an option in any way shape or form at any time for this country. Yes, in this situation the manner and attitude of Margaret Thatcher would have solved the problem. Europe would have been told what we were doing and they would have been in the position of begging for negotiation. Sadly we do not have another Mrs Thatcher. What I do not understand in all of this is why the fuss about a hard border between N. Ireland & Republic of Ireland. Are they not different countries? Do they not have different leaders/sovereignty? Do they not have different currencies? What is the problem? It is like comparing France and Belgium. Am I missing something here? The people’s mandate was to trigger article 50 and leave the treaty of Rome. She is delivering that. Belgium is not part of a union. There aren’t swathes if people in France who want dance and Belgium to be one country. "
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"May has been weak and has not done what she was expected to in the mandate by the voters when it was decided that Leave was the choice. She will survive tonight but that will change nothing, if she were to be defeated then things will be no different. Corbyn is simply not an option in any way shape or form at any time for this country. Yes, in this situation the manner and attitude of Margaret Thatcher would have solved the problem. Europe would have been told what we were doing and they would have been in the position of begging for negotiation. Sadly we do not have another Mrs Thatcher. What I do not understand in all of this is why the fuss about a hard border between N. Ireland & Republic of Ireland. Are they not different countries? Do they not have different leaders/sovereignty? Do they not have different currencies? What is the problem? It is like comparing France and Belgium. Am I missing something here? The people’s mandate was to trigger article 50 and leave the treaty of Rome. She is delivering that. Belgium is not part of a union. There aren’t swathes if people in France who want dance and Belgium to be one country.
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I don't know who does want to dance with Belgium and I agree it's not a union but I am still none the wiser....."Typo. People in France who want France and Belgium to be one country. I’m not sure if your serious if you can’t see the difference between the Irish situation and the France-Belgium comparison. You have heard of the troubles ? | |||
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"May has been weak and has not done what she was expected to in the mandate by the voters when it was decided that Leave was the choice. She will survive tonight but that will change nothing, if she were to be defeated then things will be no different. Corbyn is simply not an option in any way shape or form at any time for this country. Yes, in this situation the manner and attitude of Margaret Thatcher would have solved the problem. Europe would have been told what we were doing and they would have been in the position of begging for negotiation. Sadly we do not have another Mrs Thatcher. What I do not understand in all of this is why the fuss about a hard border between N. Ireland & Republic of Ireland. Are they not different countries? Do they not have different leaders/sovereignty? Do they not have different currencies? What is the problem? It is like comparing France and Belgium. Am I missing something here? The people’s mandate was to trigger article 50 and leave the treaty of Rome. She is delivering that. Belgium is not part of a union. There aren’t swathes if people in France who want dance and Belgium to be one country.
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I don't know who does want to dance with Belgium and I agree it's not a union but I am still none the wiser.....
Typo. People in France who want France and Belgium to be one country.
I’m not sure if your serious if you can’t see the difference between the Irish situation and the France-Belgium comparison. You have heard of the troubles ? "Belgian clients were telling us about Belgian politics - they have "several parliaments " and each has a say - makes British politics look simple! | |||
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"May has been weak and has not done what she was expected to in the mandate by the voters when it was decided that Leave was the choice. She will survive tonight but that will change nothing, if she were to be defeated then things will be no different. Corbyn is simply not an option in any way shape or form at any time for this country. Yes, in this situation the manner and attitude of Margaret Thatcher would have solved the problem. Europe would have been told what we were doing and they would have been in the position of begging for negotiation. Sadly we do not have another Mrs Thatcher. What I do not understand in all of this is why the fuss about a hard border between N. Ireland & Republic of Ireland. Are they not different countries? Do they not have different leaders/sovereignty? Do they not have different currencies? What is the problem? It is like comparing France and Belgium. Am I missing something here? The people’s mandate was to trigger article 50 and leave the treaty of Rome. She is delivering that. Belgium is not part of a union. There aren’t swathes if people in France who want dance and Belgium to be one country.
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I don't know who does want to dance with Belgium and I agree it's not a union but I am still none the wiser.....
Typo. People in France who want France and Belgium to be one country.
I’m not sure if your serious if you can’t see the difference between the Irish situation and the France-Belgium comparison. You have heard of the troubles ? "France-Belgium was just an analogy of two bordering differing countries, could equally have been Germany-Austria or Italy-Switzerland. | |||
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"I believe that as part of the current 'deal', our next PM is Jean-Claude Juncker " I thought he already is. | |||
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" What I do not understand in all of this is why the fuss about a hard border between N. Ireland & Republic of Ireland. Are they not different countries? Do they not have different leaders/sovereignty? Do they not have different currencies? What is the problem? It is like comparing France and Belgium. Am I missing something here?" Deaths from acts of terror in the UK are at a 50-year low. The reason for that is the Good Friday Agreement. Part of that agreement was to erase any evidence of a border. That was possible only because both parts of Ireland were in the Single Market and Customs Union. Brexiteers want to remove Northern Ireland from the Single Market and Customs Union. That removes the commonality that underpins this element of the Good Friday Agreement. Dublin’s position is common sense - the Good Friday Agreement delivers peace and save lives. It is not something to chuck away. Common sense isn’t something to be found among the Brextremists. | |||
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"May has been weak and has not done what she was expected to in the mandate by the voters when it was decided that Leave was the choice. She will survive tonight but that will change nothing, if she were to be defeated then things will be no different. Corbyn is simply not an option in any way shape or form at any time for this country. Yes, in this situation the manner and attitude of Margaret Thatcher would have solved the problem. Europe would have been told what we were doing and they would have been in the position of begging for negotiation. Sadly we do not have another Mrs Thatcher. What I do not understand in all of this is why the fuss about a hard border between N. Ireland & Republic of Ireland. Are they not different countries? Do they not have different leaders/sovereignty? Do they not have different currencies? What is the problem? It is like comparing France and Belgium. Am I missing something here? The people’s mandate was to trigger article 50 and leave the treaty of Rome. She is delivering that. Belgium is not part of a union. There aren’t swathes if people in France who want dance and Belgium to be one country. " But there a quite a few in parts of Belgium who would love to be Dutch. | |||
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"May has been weak and has not done what she was expected to in the mandate by the voters when it was decided that Leave was the choice. She will survive tonight but that will change nothing, if she were to be defeated then things will be no different. Corbyn is simply not an option in any way shape or form at any time for this country. Yes, in this situation the manner and attitude of Margaret Thatcher would have solved the problem. Europe would have been told what we were doing and they would have been in the position of begging for negotiation. Sadly we do not have another Mrs Thatcher. What I do not understand in all of this is why the fuss about a hard border between N. Ireland & Republic of Ireland. Are they not different countries? Do they not have different leaders/sovereignty? Do they not have different currencies? What is the problem? It is like comparing France and Belgium. Am I missing something here? The people’s mandate was to trigger article 50 and leave the treaty of Rome. She is delivering that. Belgium is not part of a union. There aren’t swathes if people in France who want dance and Belgium to be one country.
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I don't know who does want to dance with Belgium and I agree it's not a union but I am still none the wiser.....
Typo. People in France who want France and Belgium to be one country.
I’m not sure if your serious if you can’t see the difference between the Irish situation and the France-Belgium comparison. You have heard of the troubles ?
France-Belgium was just an analogy of two bordering differing countries, could equally have been Germany-Austria or Italy-Switzerland.
"It’s okay. I understand it was just an example. But you need to find an example where there have been troubles like that in ireland, and where there is a cross border issue which is so decisive. Do you really think it’s “just another border”? It’s like saying Israel/Palestine is like us/Canada. | |||
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"May has been weak and has not done what she was expected to in the mandate by the voters when it was decided that Leave was the choice. She will survive tonight but that will change nothing, if she were to be defeated then things will be no different. Corbyn is simply not an option in any way shape or form at any time for this country. Yes, in this situation the manner and attitude of Margaret Thatcher would have solved the problem. Europe would have been told what we were doing and they would have been in the position of begging for negotiation. Sadly we do not have another Mrs Thatcher. What I do not understand in all of this is why the fuss about a hard border between N. Ireland & Republic of Ireland. Are they not different countries? Do they not have different leaders/sovereignty? Do they not have different currencies? What is the problem? It is like comparing France and Belgium. Am I missing something here? The people’s mandate was to trigger article 50 and leave the treaty of Rome. She is delivering that. Belgium is not part of a union. There aren’t swathes if people in France who want dance and Belgium to be one country.
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I don't know who does want to dance with Belgium and I agree it's not a union but I am still none the wiser.....
Typo. People in France who want France and Belgium to be one country.
I’m not sure if your serious if you can’t see the difference between the Irish situation and the France-Belgium comparison. You have heard of the troubles ?
France-Belgium was just an analogy of two bordering differing countries, could equally have been Germany-Austria or Italy-Switzerland.
It’s okay. I understand it was just an example. But you need to find an example where there have been troubles like that in ireland, and where there is a cross border issue which is so decisive. Do you really think it’s “just another border”? It’s like saying Israel/Palestine is like us/Canada. "In which case surely the hard border would be a benefit rather than a hindrance? Is this more to do with finances/economy rather than any real issue? | |||
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"May has been weak and has not done what she was expected to in the mandate by the voters when it was decided that Leave was the choice. She will survive tonight but that will change nothing, if she were to be defeated then things will be no different. Corbyn is simply not an option in any way shape or form at any time for this country. Yes, in this situation the manner and attitude of Margaret Thatcher would have solved the problem. Europe would have been told what we were doing and they would have been in the position of begging for negotiation. Sadly we do not have another Mrs Thatcher. What I do not understand in all of this is why the fuss about a hard border between N. Ireland & Republic of Ireland. Are they not different countries? Do they not have different leaders/sovereignty? Do they not have different currencies? What is the problem? It is like comparing France and Belgium. Am I missing something here? The people’s mandate was to trigger article 50 and leave the treaty of Rome. She is delivering that. Belgium is not part of a union. There aren’t swathes if people in France who want dance and Belgium to be one country.
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I don't know who does want to dance with Belgium and I agree it's not a union but I am still none the wiser.....
Typo. People in France who want France and Belgium to be one country.
I’m not sure if your serious if you can’t see the difference between the Irish situation and the France-Belgium comparison. You have heard of the troubles ?
France-Belgium was just an analogy of two bordering differing countries, could equally have been Germany-Austria or Italy-Switzerland.
It’s okay. I understand it was just an example. But you need to find an example where there have been troubles like that in ireland, and where there is a cross border issue which is so decisive. Do you really think it’s “just another border”? It’s like saying Israel/Palestine is like us/Canada.
In which case surely the hard border would be a benefit rather than a hindrance?
Is this more to do with finances/economy rather than any real issue?"How old are you? Dont you remember the troubles? What an unbelievably crass thing to post | |||
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"May has been weak and has not done what she was expected to in the mandate by the voters when it was decided that Leave was the choice. She will survive tonight but that will change nothing, if she were to be defeated then things will be no different. Corbyn is simply not an option in any way shape or form at any time for this country. Yes, in this situation the manner and attitude of Margaret Thatcher would have solved the problem. Europe would have been told what we were doing and they would have been in the position of begging for negotiation. Sadly we do not have another Mrs Thatcher. What I do not understand in all of this is why the fuss about a hard border between N. Ireland & Republic of Ireland. Are they not different countries? Do they not have different leaders/sovereignty? Do they not have different currencies? What is the problem? It is like comparing France and Belgium. Am I missing something here? The people’s mandate was to trigger article 50 and leave the treaty of Rome. She is delivering that. Belgium is not part of a union. There aren’t swathes if people in France who want dance and Belgium to be one country.
Thanks.
I don't know who does want to dance with Belgium and I agree it's not a union but I am still none the wiser.....
Typo. People in France who want France and Belgium to be one country.
I’m not sure if your serious if you can’t see the difference between the Irish situation and the France-Belgium comparison. You have heard of the troubles ?
France-Belgium was just an analogy of two bordering differing countries, could equally have been Germany-Austria or Italy-Switzerland.
It’s okay. I understand it was just an example. But you need to find an example where there have been troubles like that in ireland, and where there is a cross border issue which is so decisive. Do you really think it’s “just another border”? It’s like saying Israel/Palestine is like us/Canada.
In which case surely the hard border would be a benefit rather than a hindrance?
Is this more to do with finances/economy rather than any real issue?"I didn’t say the Irish border was like Israel. I was using it as a comparison against your comparison (to show comparisons need to be more carefully chosen) Were the troubles about the economy? Was Gerry Adams a fund manager ? | |||
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"May has been weak and has not done what she was expected to in the mandate by the voters when it was decided that Leave was the choice. She will survive tonight but that will change nothing, if she were to be defeated then things will be no different. Corbyn is simply not an option in any way shape or form at any time for this country. Yes, in this situation the manner and attitude of Margaret Thatcher would have solved the problem. Europe would have been told what we were doing and they would have been in the position of begging for negotiation. Sadly we do not have another Mrs Thatcher. What I do not understand in all of this is why the fuss about a hard border between N. Ireland & Republic of Ireland. Are they not different countries? Do they not have different leaders/sovereignty? Do they not have different currencies? What is the problem? It is like comparing France and Belgium. Am I missing something here? The people’s mandate was to trigger article 50 and leave the treaty of Rome. She is delivering that. Belgium is not part of a union. There aren’t swathes if people in France who want dance and Belgium to be one country.
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I don't know who does want to dance with Belgium and I agree it's not a union but I am still none the wiser.....
Typo. People in France who want France and Belgium to be one country.
I’m not sure if your serious if you can’t see the difference between the Irish situation and the France-Belgium comparison. You have heard of the troubles ?
France-Belgium was just an analogy of two bordering differing countries, could equally have been Germany-Austria or Italy-Switzerland.
It’s okay. I understand it was just an example. But you need to find an example where there have been troubles like that in ireland, and where there is a cross border issue which is so decisive. Do you really think it’s “just another border”? It’s like saying Israel/Palestine is like us/Canada.
In which case surely the hard border would be a benefit rather than a hindrance?
Is this more to do with finances/economy rather than any real issue?
How old are you? Dont you remember the troubles? What an unbelievably crass thing to post"I recall the issues well. Why do you think my view is crass because it doesn't conform with what you think? If you have a valid standpoint to argue then by all means present it but to just be belligerent is in itself crass, as you put it! Because I recall the issues it does not mean that I think it was justified or that it's resolution was adequate. Learn to be understanding that because you have a view it is not going to be verified by everyone else! | |||
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"Apparently the EU have just confirmed A50 will not be extended for a brexiteer P.M. " So they won't negotiate with a prime minister who actually wants to leave the EU....speaks volumes. | |||
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"May has been weak and has not done what she was expected to in the mandate by the voters when it was decided that Leave was the choice. She will survive tonight but that will change nothing, if she were to be defeated then things will be no different. Corbyn is simply not an option in any way shape or form at any time for this country. Yes, in this situation the manner and attitude of Margaret Thatcher would have solved the problem. Europe would have been told what we were doing and they would have been in the position of begging for negotiation. Sadly we do not have another Mrs Thatcher. What I do not understand in all of this is why the fuss about a hard border between N. Ireland & Republic of Ireland. Are they not different countries? Do they not have different leaders/sovereignty? Do they not have different currencies? What is the problem? It is like comparing France and Belgium. Am I missing something here? The people’s mandate was to trigger article 50 and leave the treaty of Rome. She is delivering that. Belgium is not part of a union. There aren’t swathes if people in France who want dance and Belgium to be one country.
Thanks.
I don't know who does want to dance with Belgium and I agree it's not a union but I am still none the wiser.....
Typo. People in France who want France and Belgium to be one country.
I’m not sure if your serious if you can’t see the difference between the Irish situation and the France-Belgium comparison. You have heard of the troubles ?
France-Belgium was just an analogy of two bordering differing countries, could equally have been Germany-Austria or Italy-Switzerland.
It’s okay. I understand it was just an example. But you need to find an example where there have been troubles like that in ireland, and where there is a cross border issue which is so decisive. Do you really think it’s “just another border”? It’s like saying Israel/Palestine is like us/Canada.
In which case surely the hard border would be a benefit rather than a hindrance?
Is this more to do with finances/economy rather than any real issue?
How old are you? Dont you remember the troubles? What an unbelievably crass thing to post
I recall the issues well.
Why do you think my view is crass because it doesn't conform with what you think?
If you have a valid standpoint to argue then by all means present it but to just be belligerent is in itself crass, as you put it!
Because I recall the issues it does not mean that I think it was justified or that it's resolution was adequate.
Learn to be understanding that because you have a view it is not going to be verified by everyone else!
"Because your post seemed to imply that returning to a hard border between the north and south would be an acceptable idea which for anyone who has friends or relatives who lived through the violence and murders of the troubles is actually a bit fucking crass imho | |||
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"Apparently the EU have just confirmed A50 will not be extended for a brexiteer P.M. So they won't negotiate with a prime minister who actually wants to leave the EU....speaks volumes. "No, that's not what I said. I said they won't extend the time of A50 -29/3/19. Negotiations can continue until the final hour. I think the only way they would extend the time, would be for a people's vote! | |||
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"May has been weak and has not done what she was expected to in the mandate by the voters when it was decided that Leave was the choice. She will survive tonight but that will change nothing, if she were to be defeated then things will be no different. Corbyn is simply not an option in any way shape or form at any time for this country. Yes, in this situation the manner and attitude of Margaret Thatcher would have solved the problem. Europe would have been told what we were doing and they would have been in the position of begging for negotiation. Sadly we do not have another Mrs Thatcher. What I do not understand in all of this is why the fuss about a hard border between N. Ireland & Republic of Ireland. Are they not different countries? Do they not have different leaders/sovereignty? Do they not have different currencies? What is the problem? It is like comparing France and Belgium. Am I missing something here? The people’s mandate was to trigger article 50 and leave the treaty of Rome. She is delivering that. Belgium is not part of a union. There aren’t swathes if people in France who want dance and Belgium to be one country.
Thanks.
I don't know who does want to dance with Belgium and I agree it's not a union but I am still none the wiser.....
Typo. People in France who want France and Belgium to be one country.
I’m not sure if your serious if you can’t see the difference between the Irish situation and the France-Belgium comparison. You have heard of the troubles ?
France-Belgium was just an analogy of two bordering differing countries, could equally have been Germany-Austria or Italy-Switzerland.
It’s okay. I understand it was just an example. But you need to find an example where there have been troubles like that in ireland, and where there is a cross border issue which is so decisive. Do you really think it’s “just another border”? It’s like saying Israel/Palestine is like us/Canada.
In which case surely the hard border would be a benefit rather than a hindrance?
Is this more to do with finances/economy rather than any real issue?
How old are you? Dont you remember the troubles? What an unbelievably crass thing to post
I recall the issues well.
Why do you think my view is crass because it doesn't conform with what you think?
If you have a valid standpoint to argue then by all means present it but to just be belligerent is in itself crass, as you put it!
Because I recall the issues it does not mean that I think it was justified or that it's resolution was adequate.
Learn to be understanding that because you have a view it is not going to be verified by everyone else!
Because your post seemed to imply that returning to a hard border between the north and south would be an acceptable idea which for anyone who has friends or relatives who lived through the violence and murders of the troubles is actually a bit fucking crass imho"Exactly this. If we don't do exactly what the Irish want they'll start murdering people all over again. So it's best to let them do as they please. | |||
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"Apparently the EU have just confirmed A50 will not be extended for a brexiteer P.M. So they won't negotiate with a prime minister who actually wants to leave the EU....speaks volumes.
No, that's not what I said. I said they won't extend the time of A50 -29/3/19. Negotiations can continue until the final hour.
I think the only way they would extend the time, would be for a people's vote!
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"May has been weak and has not done what she was expected to in the mandate by the voters when it was decided that Leave was the choice. She will survive tonight but that will change nothing, if she were to be defeated then things will be no different. Corbyn is simply not an option in any way shape or form at any time for this country. Yes, in this situation the manner and attitude of Margaret Thatcher would have solved the problem. Europe would have been told what we were doing and they would have been in the position of begging for negotiation. Sadly we do not have another Mrs Thatcher. What I do not understand in all of this is why the fuss about a hard border between N. Ireland & Republic of Ireland. Are they not different countries? Do they not have different leaders/sovereignty? Do they not have different currencies? What is the problem? It is like comparing France and Belgium. Am I missing something here? The people’s mandate was to trigger article 50 and leave the treaty of Rome. She is delivering that. Belgium is not part of a union. There aren’t swathes if people in France who want dance and Belgium to be one country.
Thanks.
I don't know who does want to dance with Belgium and I agree it's not a union but I am still none the wiser.....
Typo. People in France who want France and Belgium to be one country.
I’m not sure if your serious if you can’t see the difference between the Irish situation and the France-Belgium comparison. You have heard of the troubles ?
France-Belgium was just an analogy of two bordering differing countries, could equally have been Germany-Austria or Italy-Switzerland.
It’s okay. I understand it was just an example. But you need to find an example where there have been troubles like that in ireland, and where there is a cross border issue which is so decisive. Do you really think it’s “just another border”? It’s like saying Israel/Palestine is like us/Canada.
In which case surely the hard border would be a benefit rather than a hindrance?
Is this more to do with finances/economy rather than any real issue?
How old are you? Dont you remember the troubles? What an unbelievably crass thing to post
I recall the issues well.
Why do you think my view is crass because it doesn't conform with what you think?
If you have a valid standpoint to argue then by all means present it but to just be belligerent is in itself crass, as you put it!
Because I recall the issues it does not mean that I think it was justified or that it's resolution was adequate.
Learn to be understanding that because you have a view it is not going to be verified by everyone else!
Because your post seemed to imply that returning to a hard border between the north and south would be an acceptable idea which for anyone who has friends or relatives who lived through the violence and murders of the troubles is actually a bit fucking crass imho
Exactly this. If we don't do exactly what the Irish want they'll start murdering people all over again. So it's best to let them do as they please. "Well the DUP arent scared of using a little leverage are they so perhaps we should just leave NI too so we can get on with Brexit or is that a bit complicated too | |||
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"May has been weak and has not done what she was expected to in the mandate by the voters when it was decided that Leave was the choice. She will survive tonight but that will change nothing, if she were to be defeated then things will be no different. Corbyn is simply not an option in any way shape or form at any time for this country. Yes, in this situation the manner and attitude of Margaret Thatcher would have solved the problem. Europe would have been told what we were doing and they would have been in the position of begging for negotiation. Sadly we do not have another Mrs Thatcher. What I do not understand in all of this is why the fuss about a hard border between N. Ireland & Republic of Ireland. Are they not different countries? Do they not have different leaders/sovereignty? Do they not have different currencies? What is the problem? It is like comparing France and Belgium. Am I missing something here? The people’s mandate was to trigger article 50 and leave the treaty of Rome. She is delivering that. Belgium is not part of a union. There aren’t swathes if people in France who want dance and Belgium to be one country.
Thanks.
I don't know who does want to dance with Belgium and I agree it's not a union but I am still none the wiser.....
Typo. People in France who want France and Belgium to be one country.
I’m not sure if your serious if you can’t see the difference between the Irish situation and the France-Belgium comparison. You have heard of the troubles ?
France-Belgium was just an analogy of two bordering differing countries, could equally have been Germany-Austria or Italy-Switzerland.
It’s okay. I understand it was just an example. But you need to find an example where there have been troubles like that in ireland, and where there is a cross border issue which is so decisive. Do you really think it’s “just another border”? It’s like saying Israel/Palestine is like us/Canada.
In which case surely the hard border would be a benefit rather than a hindrance?
Is this more to do with finances/economy rather than any real issue?
How old are you? Dont you remember the troubles? What an unbelievably crass thing to post
I recall the issues well.
Why do you think my view is crass because it doesn't conform with what you think?
If you have a valid standpoint to argue then by all means present it but to just be belligerent is in itself crass, as you put it!
Because I recall the issues it does not mean that I think it was justified or that it's resolution was adequate.
Learn to be understanding that because you have a view it is not going to be verified by everyone else!
Because your post seemed to imply that returning to a hard border between the north and south would be an acceptable idea which for anyone who has friends or relatives who lived through the violence and murders of the troubles is actually a bit fucking crass imho"It is an acceptable idea, in my view, there is no implication..... I do not have friends or relatives that have lived through the situation and so I hold a practical rather than emotional view. Your considered view that it is crass, as you lovingly refer back to, is borne not from a subjective or practical position but solely from a heart felt concern left in the past. If all decisions were determined using your valuation then it is likely that nothing would ever change! Accept that others view things differently!! | |||
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"May has been weak and has not done what she was expected to in the mandate by the voters when it was decided that Leave was the choice. She will survive tonight but that will change nothing, if she were to be defeated then things will be no different. Corbyn is simply not an option in any way shape or form at any time for this country. Yes, in this situation the manner and attitude of Margaret Thatcher would have solved the problem. Europe would have been told what we were doing and they would have been in the position of begging for negotiation. Sadly we do not have another Mrs Thatcher. What I do not understand in all of this is why the fuss about a hard border between N. Ireland & Republic of Ireland. Are they not different countries? Do they not have different leaders/sovereignty? Do they not have different currencies? What is the problem? It is like comparing France and Belgium. Am I missing something here? The people’s mandate was to trigger article 50 and leave the treaty of Rome. She is delivering that. Belgium is not part of a union. There aren’t swathes if people in France who want dance and Belgium to be one country.
Thanks.
I don't know who does want to dance with Belgium and I agree it's not a union but I am still none the wiser.....
Typo. People in France who want France and Belgium to be one country.
I’m not sure if your serious if you can’t see the difference between the Irish situation and the France-Belgium comparison. You have heard of the troubles ?
France-Belgium was just an analogy of two bordering differing countries, could equally have been Germany-Austria or Italy-Switzerland.
It’s okay. I understand it was just an example. But you need to find an example where there have been troubles like that in ireland, and where there is a cross border issue which is so decisive. Do you really think it’s “just another border”? It’s like saying Israel/Palestine is like us/Canada.
In which case surely the hard border would be a benefit rather than a hindrance?
Is this more to do with finances/economy rather than any real issue?
How old are you? Dont you remember the troubles? What an unbelievably crass thing to post
I recall the issues well.
Why do you think my view is crass because it doesn't conform with what you think?
If you have a valid standpoint to argue then by all means present it but to just be belligerent is in itself crass, as you put it!
Because I recall the issues it does not mean that I think it was justified or that it's resolution was adequate.
Learn to be understanding that because you have a view it is not going to be verified by everyone else!
Because your post seemed to imply that returning to a hard border between the north and south would be an acceptable idea which for anyone who has friends or relatives who lived through the violence and murders of the troubles is actually a bit fucking crass imho
Exactly this. If we don't do exactly what the Irish want they'll start murdering people all over again. So it's best to let them do as they please.
Well the DUP arent scared of using a little leverage are they so perhaps we should just leave NI too so we can get on with Brexit or is that a bit complicated too "Exactly! How much more justification do they need to continue killing men women and children. They almost deserve it when you put it like that. | |||
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"Apparently the EU have just confirmed A50 will not be extended for a brexiteer P.M. So they won't negotiate with a prime minister who actually wants to leave the EU....speaks volumes.
No, that's not what I said. I said they won't extend the time of A50 -29/3/19. Negotiations can continue until the final hour.
I think the only way they would extend the time, would be for a people's vote!
So why did you say a "brexiteer p.m."?"Because that's what they said. Let's be honest, the UK has been negotiating for almost 2 yrs. Admittedly, it is clear there was no plan, but eventually, we came up with a plan to the EU, and a negotiated settlement was achieved, (like it or not). A50 was not written (by a Brit btw) to favour the leaving country. It was written, so that there is a timeline, an end point -2yrs. A brexiteer PM, is going to want to start again, from scratch, - not going to happen, and a brexiteer, is not going to go for a peoples vote either! Another leader may, want to have a people's vote and therefore, would need a "small" extension of A50 to allow a vote under British constitution. They are not going to renegotiate - that's been made clear. | |||
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"all this stuff about a return to violence in n.i unlike 20 yrs ago the world deals with terroists a lot more harshly these days You have a very optimistic pov there. The world is awash with serious weaponry from all the middle eastern and ex russian forces and i am pretty sure that the real IRA would be more than willing to get back into the game." The fact you look on it as a game speaks volumes about you. | |||
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"Apparently the EU have just confirmed A50 will not be extended for a brexiteer P.M. So they won't negotiate with a prime minister who actually wants to leave the EU....speaks volumes.
No, that's not what I said. I said they won't extend the time of A50 -29/3/19. Negotiations can continue until the final hour.
I think the only way they would extend the time, would be for a people's vote!
So why did you say a "brexiteer p.m."?
Because that's what they said. Let's be honest, the UK has been negotiating for almost 2 yrs. Admittedly, it is clear there was no plan, but eventually, we came up with a plan to the EU, and a negotiated settlement was achieved, (like it or not). A50 was not written (by a Brit btw) to favour the leaving country. It was written, so that there is a timeline, an end point -2yrs. A brexiteer PM, is going to want to start again, from scratch, - not going to happen, and a brexiteer, is not going to go for a peoples vote either! Another leader may, want to have a people's vote and therefore, would need a "small" extension of A50 to allow a vote under British constitution. They are not going to renegotiate - that's been made clear."The Tories had a game plan all along "keep us in". So far, so good. | |||
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"Apparently the EU have just confirmed A50 will not be extended for a brexiteer P.M. So they won't negotiate with a prime minister who actually wants to leave the EU....speaks volumes.
No, that's not what I said. I said they won't extend the time of A50 -29/3/19. Negotiations can continue until the final hour.
I think the only way they would extend the time, would be for a people's vote!
So why did you say a "brexiteer p.m."?
Because that's what they said. Let's be honest, the UK has been negotiating for almost 2 yrs. Admittedly, it is clear there was no plan, but eventually, we came up with a plan to the EU, and a negotiated settlement was achieved, (like it or not). A50 was not written (by a Brit btw) to favour the leaving country. It was written, so that there is a timeline, an end point -2yrs. A brexiteer PM, is going to want to start again, from scratch, - not going to happen, and a brexiteer, is not going to go for a peoples vote either! Another leader may, want to have a people's vote and therefore, would need a "small" extension of A50 to allow a vote under British constitution. They are not going to renegotiate - that's been made clear."I thought the Eu came up with May's deal for her! Macron said he wasn't going to give in to the protests in France but look what happened! What people say and what they do are two completely different things! | |||
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"Apparently the EU have just confirmed A50 will not be extended for a brexiteer P.M. So they won't negotiate with a prime minister who actually wants to leave the EU....speaks volumes.
No, that's not what I said. I said they won't extend the time of A50 -29/3/19. Negotiations can continue until the final hour.
I think the only way they would extend the time, would be for a people's vote!
So why did you say a "brexiteer p.m."?
Because that's what they said. Let's be honest, the UK has been negotiating for almost 2 yrs. Admittedly, it is clear there was no plan, but eventually, we came up with a plan to the EU, and a negotiated settlement was achieved, (like it or not). A50 was not written (by a Brit btw) to favour the leaving country. It was written, so that there is a timeline, an end point -2yrs. A brexiteer PM, is going to want to start again, from scratch, - not going to happen, and a brexiteer, is not going to go for a peoples vote either! Another leader may, want to have a people's vote and therefore, would need a "small" extension of A50 to allow a vote under British constitution. They are not going to renegotiate - that's been made clear.
The Tories had a game plan all along "keep us in". So far, so good. "Well Cameron left the poison chalice and the Tories had a democratic leadership contest 2 yrs ago. There were, I beleive more brexiteer candidates than remain (Leadsom, Gove & Fox). May won the democratic vote after Leadsome made a wise crack about her not having children and stepped down after the shot storm - remember? So she won and became a "converted" - just like protestants who convert to Catholicism (devout). So two years ago democracy elected a leader whom the leavers supported - at first and now that it's not gone their way, we are today trying to get another vote to over turn the democratic vote of 2 years ago. Sound familiar - they (leave) can change their minds and go for a vote, but people are not allowed a people's vote! Well there's a rule for you and different rules for us! | |||
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"Apparently the EU have just confirmed A50 will not be extended for a brexiteer P.M. So they won't negotiate with a prime minister who actually wants to leave the EU....speaks volumes.
No, that's not what I said. I said they won't extend the time of A50 -29/3/19. Negotiations can continue until the final hour.
I think the only way they would extend the time, would be for a people's vote!
So why did you say a "brexiteer p.m."?
Because that's what they said. Let's be honest, the UK has been negotiating for almost 2 yrs. Admittedly, it is clear there was no plan, but eventually, we came up with a plan to the EU, and a negotiated settlement was achieved, (like it or not). A50 was not written (by a Brit btw) to favour the leaving country. It was written, so that there is a timeline, an end point -2yrs. A brexiteer PM, is going to want to start again, from scratch, - not going to happen, and a brexiteer, is not going to go for a peoples vote either! Another leader may, want to have a people's vote and therefore, would need a "small" extension of A50 to allow a vote under British constitution. They are not going to renegotiate - that's been made clear.
The Tories had a game plan all along "keep us in". So far, so good.
Well Cameron left the poison chalice and the Tories had a democratic leadership contest 2 yrs ago. There were, I beleive more brexiteer candidates than remain (Leadsom, Gove & Fox). May won the democratic vote after Leadsome made a wise crack about her not having children and stepped down after the shot storm - remember?
So she won and became a "converted" - just like protestants who convert to Catholicism (devout). So two years ago democracy elected a leader whom the leavers supported - at first and now that it's not gone their way, we are today trying to get another vote to over turn the democratic vote of 2 years ago. Sound familiar - they (leave) can change their minds and go for a vote, but people are not allowed a people's vote! Well there's a rule for you and different rules for us!"The only problem is Theresa May's " road to Damascus" conversion was phoney she never was or will be a devout brexiteer! So that blows a hole in your theory! | |||
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"Apparently the EU have just confirmed A50 will not be extended for a brexiteer P.M. So they won't negotiate with a prime minister who actually wants to leave the EU....speaks volumes.
No, that's not what I said. I said they won't extend the time of A50 -29/3/19. Negotiations can continue until the final hour.
I think the only way they would extend the time, would be for a people's vote!
So why did you say a "brexiteer p.m."?
Because that's what they said. Let's be honest, the UK has been negotiating for almost 2 yrs. Admittedly, it is clear there was no plan, but eventually, we came up with a plan to the EU, and a negotiated settlement was achieved, (like it or not). A50 was not written (by a Brit btw) to favour the leaving country. It was written, so that there is a timeline, an end point -2yrs. A brexiteer PM, is going to want to start again, from scratch, - not going to happen, and a brexiteer, is not going to go for a peoples vote either! Another leader may, want to have a people's vote and therefore, would need a "small" extension of A50 to allow a vote under British constitution. They are not going to renegotiate - that's been made clear.
The Tories had a game plan all along "keep us in". So far, so good.
Well Cameron left the poison chalice and the Tories had a democratic leadership contest 2 yrs ago. There were, I beleive more brexiteer candidates than remain (Leadsom, Gove & Fox). May won the democratic vote after Leadsome made a wise crack about her not having children and stepped down after the shot storm - remember?
So she won and became a "converted" - just like protestants who convert to Catholicism (devout). So two years ago democracy elected a leader whom the leavers supported - at first and now that it's not gone their way, we are today trying to get another vote to over turn the democratic vote of 2 years ago. Sound familiar - they (leave) can change their minds and go for a vote, but people are not allowed a people's vote! Well there's a rule for you and different rules for us!"Who is Us? | |||
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"Apparently the EU have just confirmed A50 will not be extended for a brexiteer P.M. So they won't negotiate with a prime minister who actually wants to leave the EU....speaks volumes.
No, that's not what I said. I said they won't extend the time of A50 -29/3/19. Negotiations can continue until the final hour.
I think the only way they would extend the time, would be for a people's vote!
So why did you say a "brexiteer p.m."?
Because that's what they said. Let's be honest, the UK has been negotiating for almost 2 yrs. Admittedly, it is clear there was no plan, but eventually, we came up with a plan to the EU, and a negotiated settlement was achieved, (like it or not). A50 was not written (by a Brit btw) to favour the leaving country. It was written, so that there is a timeline, an end point -2yrs. A brexiteer PM, is going to want to start again, from scratch, - not going to happen, and a brexiteer, is not going to go for a peoples vote either! Another leader may, want to have a people's vote and therefore, would need a "small" extension of A50 to allow a vote under British constitution. They are not going to renegotiate - that's been made clear.
The Tories had a game plan all along "keep us in". So far, so good.
Well Cameron left the poison chalice and the Tories had a democratic leadership contest 2 yrs ago. There were, I beleive more brexiteer candidates than remain (Leadsom, Gove & Fox). May won the democratic vote after Leadsome made a wise crack about her not having children and stepped down after the shot storm - remember?
So she won and became a "converted" - just like protestants who convert to Catholicism (devout). So two years ago democracy elected a leader whom the leavers supported - at first and now that it's not gone their way, we are today trying to get another vote to over turn the democratic vote of 2 years ago. Sound familiar - they (leave) can change their minds and go for a vote, but people are not allowed a people's vote! Well there's a rule for you and different rules for us!
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"Nigel Farage, nobody else comes even close. "
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" What I do not understand in all of this is why the fuss about a hard border between N. Ireland & Republic of Ireland. Are they not different countries? Do they not have different leaders/sovereignty? Do they not have different currencies? What is the problem? It is like comparing France and Belgium. Am I missing something here? Deaths from acts of terror in the UK are at a 50-year low. The reason for that is the Good Friday Agreement. Part of that agreement was to erase any evidence of a border. That was possible only because both parts of Ireland were in the Single Market and Customs Union. Brexiteers want to remove Northern Ireland from the Single Market and Customs Union. That removes the commonality that underpins this element of the Good Friday Agreement. Dublin’s position is common sense - the Good Friday Agreement delivers peace and save lives. It is not something to chuck away. Common sense isn’t something to be found among the Brextremists." If they would be prepared to throw the GFA under the bus just because of a border, then they can’t be that enthusiastic about peace. I’m fed up with hearing about them. | |||
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"Nigel Farage, nobody else comes even close.
He's got to get elected 1st! "I was answering the OP, if you don’t understand then read it again... | |||
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"all this stuff about a return to violence in n.i unlike 20 yrs ago the world deals with terroists a lot more harshly these days You have a very optimistic pov there. The world is awash with serious weaponry from all the middle eastern and ex russian forces and i am pretty sure that the real IRA would be more than willing to get back into the game. The fact you look on it as a game speaks volumes about you. " It’s anything but a game and my point was that i was responding to a glib comment that showed a cavalier disregard for the peace that’s been achieved in Ireland | |||
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"all this stuff about a return to violence in n.i unlike 20 yrs ago the world deals with terroists a lot more harshly these days You have a very optimistic pov there. The world is awash with serious weaponry from all the middle eastern and ex russian forces and i am pretty sure that the real IRA would be more than willing to get back into the game. The fact you look on it as a game speaks volumes about you. It’s anything but a game and my point was that i was responding to a glib comment that showed a cavalier disregard for the peace that’s been achieved in Ireland" glib comment? i qas just pointing out that the republicans and the unionists will find the world has changed in the last 20 years if the loony minority on both sides wana go back to that they will be i for a rude awakening.also i dont reakon the support will be there like it was.peeps have had 20yrs without fucking idiots blowing em up and shooting em | |||
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"all this stuff about a return to violence in n.i unlike 20 yrs ago the world deals with terroists a lot more harshly these days You have a very optimistic pov there. The world is awash with serious weaponry from all the middle eastern and ex russian forces and i am pretty sure that the real IRA would be more than willing to get back into the game. The fact you look on it as a game speaks volumes about you. It’s anything but a game and my point was that i was responding to a glib comment that showed a cavalier disregard for the peace that’s been achieved in Ireland glib comment? i qas just pointing out that the republicans and the unionists will find the world has changed in the last 20 years if the loony minority on both sides wana go back to that they will be i for a rude awakening.also i dont reakon the support will be there like it was.peeps have had 20yrs without fucking idiots blowing em up and shooting em" Christ I really hope that is the case but terrorists tend to become gangsters and if they can make money out of smuggling fags booze guns drugs over a border thats what they will do and they will enforce there markets with violence.  | |||
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"TM to hold on to leadership. Less than 100 against. My prediction (most unsure prediction I've ever made) " 117 voted against so looks like yet another remain prediction/forecast that's turned out to be false. | |||
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"TM to hold on to leadership. Less than 100 against. My prediction (most unsure prediction I've ever made) 117 voted against so looks like yet another remain prediction/forecast that's turned out to be false. "LOL. At least I had the balls to call it and she did win. Where was your prediction? | |||
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"Bring back Margret thatcher if you could she would of fuck off Europe she had the guts to say so You want to bring back Margaret fucking Thatcher? Cunting hell." Go on | |||
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"TM to hold on to leadership. Less than 100 against. My prediction (most unsure prediction I've ever made) 117 voted against so looks like yet another remain prediction/forecast that's turned out to be false. "Still comfortable, what was your prediction? | |||
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"Bring back Margret thatcher if you could she would of fuck off Europe she had the guts to say so You want to bring back Margaret fucking Thatcher? Cunting hell. Go on" Bring back Margaret Thatcher DEFINETELY the only prime minister with balls She would have fucked Europe to the point where they would be aghast with themselves and promising the UK what ever we wanted. After Scargill & Argentina she would have had Junker & the other euro shit houses kissing her patent Jackboots....all hail Margaret Thatcher | |||
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"Bring back Margret thatcher if you could she would of fuck off Europe she had the guts to say so You want to bring back Margaret fucking Thatcher? Cunting hell. Go on Bring back Margaret Thatcher DEFINETELY the only prime minister with balls She would have fucked Europe to the point where they would be aghast with themselves and promising the UK what ever we wanted. After Scargill & Argentina she would have had Junker & the other euro shit houses kissing her patent Jackboots....all hail Margaret Thatcher" You do know that she died there about five years ago?? | |||
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"Bring back Margret thatcher if you could she would of fuck off Europe she had the guts to say so You want to bring back Margaret fucking Thatcher? Cunting hell. Go on Bring back Margaret Thatcher DEFINETELY the only prime minister with balls She would have fucked Europe to the point where they would be aghast with themselves and promising the UK what ever we wanted. After Scargill & Argentina she would have had Junker & the other euro shit houses kissing her patent Jackboots....all hail Margaret Thatcher You do know that she died there about five years ago??" I do, sadly, but I await her successor and he or she will arrive. There is now a time for such a person to step forward and be what this country needs. We have suffered under pious self profiting elitists such as Blair and Brown. We need firm leadership, someone unafraid to take this nation back to its pinnacle. Someone who can recognise the might and voracity of being British and not get down trodden in the filth of european liberalism and failure. To boldly go where Thatcher went. Now I realise that many of you will be disturbed by such a war cry but unless you understand what it was like to live under a Labour government in the 70's you will only have false idealism that will betray your child like thoughts. After all the socialist ideal that some of you may hold dear will only see you at heel and those who decieve you riding in limousines and sending their children to public schools. A socialist is an idealist but a socialist leader is a fraud. Mark my words and look at history. Be led by a truthful capitalist rather than a lying capitalist! | |||
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"Bring back Margret thatcher if you could she would of fuck off Europe she had the guts to say so You want to bring back Margaret fucking Thatcher? Cunting hell. Go on Bring back Margaret Thatcher DEFINETELY the only prime minister with balls She would have fucked Europe to the point where they would be aghast with themselves and promising the UK what ever we wanted. After Scargill & Argentina she would have had Junker & the other euro shit houses kissing her patent Jackboots....all hail Margaret Thatcher You do know that she died there about five years ago?? I do, sadly, but I await her successor and he or she will arrive. There is now a time for such a person to step forward and be what this country needs. We have suffered under pious self profiting elitists such as Blair and Brown. We need firm leadership, someone unafraid to take this nation back to its pinnacle. Someone who can recognise the might and voracity of being British and not get down trodden in the filth of european liberalism and failure. To boldly go where Thatcher went. Now I realise that many of you will be disturbed by such a war cry but unless you understand what it was like to live under a Labour government in the 70's you will only have false idealism that will betray your child like thoughts. After all the socialist ideal that some of you may hold dear will only see you at heel and those who decieve you riding in limousines and sending their children to public schools. A socialist is an idealist but a socialist leader is a fraud. Mark my words and look at history. Be led by a truthful capitalist rather than a lying capitalist!" This | |||
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"Bring back Margret thatcher if you could she would of fuck off Europe she had the guts to say so You want to bring back Margaret fucking Thatcher? Cunting hell. Go on Bring back Margaret Thatcher DEFINETELY the only prime minister with balls She would have fucked Europe to the point where they would be aghast with themselves and promising the UK what ever we wanted. After Scargill & Argentina she would have had Junker & the other euro shit houses kissing her patent Jackboots....all hail Margaret Thatcher You do know that she died there about five years ago?? I do, sadly, but I await her successor and he or she will arrive. There is now a time for such a person to step forward and be what this country needs. We have suffered under pious self profiting elitists such as Blair and Brown. We need firm leadership, someone unafraid to take this nation back to its pinnacle. Someone who can recognise the might and voracity of being British and not get down trodden in the filth of european liberalism and failure. To boldly go where Thatcher went. Now I realise that many of you will be disturbed by such a war cry but unless you understand what it was like to live under a Labour government in the 70's you will only have false idealism that will betray your child like thoughts. After all the socialist ideal that some of you may hold dear will only see you at heel and those who decieve you riding in limousines and sending their children to public schools. A socialist is an idealist but a socialist leader is a fraud. Mark my words and look at history. Be led by a truthful capitalist rather than a lying capitalist!" There is a time and a place for everything and, with regards tó Europe, i I'd be reasonably happy with a pragmatic Eurosceptic approach ad Thatcher had in the 70s and 80s. This is what she actually said about the EC back then. "Britain does not dream of some cosy, isolated existence on the fringes of the European Community. Our destiny is in Europe, as part of the Community. The European Community is a practical means by which Europe can ensure the future prosperity and security of its people in a world in which there are many other powerful nations and groups of nations. Europe has to be ready both to contribute in full measure to its own security and to compete commercially and industrially in a world in which success goes to the countries which encourage individual initiative and enterprise, rather than those which attempt to diminish it. I am the first to say that on many great issues the countries of Europe should try to speak with a single voice. I want to see us work more closely on the things we can do better together than alone. Europe is stronger when we do so, whether it be in trade, in defence or in our relations with the rest of the world. We have not successfully rolled back the frontiers of the state in Britain, only to see them re-imposed at a European level with a European super-state exercising a new dominance from Brussels. Certainly we want to see Europe more united and with a greater sense of common purpose. But it must be in a way which preserves the different traditions, parliamentary powers and sense of national pride in one's own country; for these have been the source of Europe's vitality through the centuries." Burgess 20 September 88 "Thisis the first step along the path of preparing Britain's companies to take the opportunities presented by completion of the Single Market in the European Community in 1992. It's your job, the job of business, to gear yourselves up to take the opportunities which a single market of nearly 320 million people will offer. Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers—visible or invisible—giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the world's wealthiest and most prosperous people. Bigger than Japan. Bigger than the United States. On your doorstep. And with the Channel Tunnel to give you direct access to it. It's not a dream. It's not a vision. It's not some bureaucrat's plan. It's for real. And it's only five years away." Lancaster House 18 April 88 Not exactly the rabid Europhobe your comments would suggest. In some ways I do wish the Margret Thatcher of the 80s was leading the Conservative Party because, if she was, the first people to be handbaged wouldn't be any European politician but the totaly disloyal, snivelling, back stabbing BREXITERS in her own party like Mogg, BoJo and Davies; as she did to their ilk many times while she wàs leader. | |||
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"To answer your question OP then I'd pick Nigel Farage. "Jesus Christ, tells you all you need to know! | |||
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"Jeremy Corbyn... But if I have to pick a Tory lets have BoJo and see him own brexit in full." See your a fan of clowns willl lol | |||
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"See your a fan of clowns willl lol" I don't see BoJo as a clown I see him more like the malign force that animates the doll in Poltergeist. As for JC, maybe you should ask yourself why have the Tories and the media been so unrelenting in their fear stories about the man? Could it be that when the hysteria blows over he is always found to be on the right side on the controversial issues that other reactionary politicians always seem to find themselves on the wrong side of? Or could it be that he will actually do something to end the troughing culture that pervades the upper echelons of politics and business? Just a thought for you to mull over (if only for a second before dismissing it in favour of your latest bit or received wisdom from the Tory media machine). | |||
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"Bring back Margret thatcher if you could she would of fuck off Europe she had the guts to say so Love her or loathe her, she was one hell of a leader. Fuuuuuucking heeeeeeelllll so many Tories/Centrist Dads on here. Scary as all fuckim no tory just labours full of sheep we need stronger I would agree at some level with you -but it's been an issue with not just labour but parties across the spectrum for a good while now. No party out there has any real concrete vision of where they want to take things -all they do is continually pander to big business and the nimby brigade without having the balls to address the issues that really matter. Thats why Corbyn isn't popular with the establishment. Left wing politics, whilst being needed now more than ever, would fuck over a lot of people in power." The irony is that compared to the earlier pre "new labour" party, he would be seen as soft -yet some are calling him a hard core Trotskyite -how this amuses me. | |||
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