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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Mays leadership: Given this deal has been on the cards for yonks, why hasn’t there been enough letters ? Who is better to replace her ? Whatvcredentials (not rhetoric) do they have?
The backstop: what is the alternative today the Eu would accept? If there is an alternative that needs just a bit of tech, why the worry? What is the leverage which will get them to accept a different solution.
WTO: how much of our trade is on FTA via the Eu (with the Eu and with other countries). How much of our trade is with countries the Eu has bilateral agreements with? If we can replace lostbtrade from the Eu via new deals, why can’t they? Do we do so much trade with the Eu because if FTA, or because they are close ? |
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You ask these questions 3 and a bit months before we sever our ties with the EU...
I think you should have asked them 3 months before you voted in the referendum. Wouldn't you agree?
PS.I hope you are just posing a question for effect rather than waking up to the economic ramifications of leaving the EU regardless of the deal we get because no one outside a club (regardless of how special they think they are) can have the same deal as those in the club. |
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"You ask these questions 3 and a bit months before we sever our ties with the EU...
I think you should have asked them 3 months before you voted in the referendum. Wouldn't you agree?
PS.I hope you are just posing a question for effect rather than waking up to the economic ramifications of leaving the EU regardless of the deal we get because no one outside a club (regardless of how special they think they are) can have the same deal as those in the club."
Are we talking about the club you voted to leave Will, you must have thought it was pretty naff!  |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"Mays leadership: Given this deal has been on the cards for yonks, why hasn’t there been enough letters ? Who is better to replace her ? Whatvcredentials (not rhetoric) do they have?
The backstop: what is the alternative today the Eu would accept? If there is an alternative that needs just a bit of tech, why the worry? What is the leverage which will get them to accept a different solution.
WTO: how much of our trade is on FTA via the Eu (with the Eu and with other countries). How much of our trade is with countries the Eu has bilateral agreements with? If we can replace lostbtrade from the Eu via new deals, why can’t they? Do we do so much trade with the Eu because if FTA, or because they are close ?"
Nobody wants the job. The task was always impossible because the "promises" made by Leave could never be met. The new "inevitable" no deal option was never discussed before.
We have the best deal possible. It is, unsurprisingly, a bad deal.
The backstop should never happen but as we are such appalling negotiators that it might come in to play. The DUP are mentalists so it isn't acceptable anyway.
There is no "invisible" border that works. It's words like "technology" that are used in the same way as "magic".
All countries trade most with their nearest neighbours. We still will but with more difficulty.
I cannot identify anything that we sell to the EU that they couldn't substitute internally or from their own FTAs. On the other hand we are heavily dependent on foreign goods which will spike in price on WTO rules.
You may have missed the fact that Trump's "renegotiation" of NAFTA includes a clause preventing Canada and Mexico from negotiating with China. That curtails their sovereignty and trade position to a greater extent than we have now within the EU.
We also benefit significantly from having "European" headquarters and manufacturing and R&D centres. They will not warrant a continental level of investment now.
You have asked too many questions here. Any Brexiteers have opportunity to give their standard vague phrases.
Of course, they never ask a direct question when asked in its own... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Mays leadership: Given this deal has been on the cards for yonks, why hasn’t there been enough letters ? Who is better to replace her ? Whatvcredentials (not rhetoric) do they have?
The backstop: what is the alternative today the Eu would accept? If there is an alternative that needs just a bit of tech, why the worry? What is the leverage which will get them to accept a different solution.
WTO: how much of our trade is on FTA via the Eu (with the Eu and with other countries). How much of our trade is with countries the Eu has bilateral agreements with? If we can replace lostbtrade from the Eu via new deals, why can’t they? Do we do so much trade with the Eu because if FTA, or because they are close ?
Nobody wants the job. The task was always impossible because the "promises" made by Leave could never be met. The new "inevitable" no deal option was never discussed before.
We have the best deal possible. It is, unsurprisingly, a bad deal.
The backstop should never happen but as we are such appalling negotiators that it might come in to play. The DUP are mentalists so it isn't acceptable anyway.
There is no "invisible" border that works. It's words like "technology" that are used in the same way as "magic".
All countries trade most with their nearest neighbours. We still will but with more difficulty.
I cannot identify anything that we sell to the EU that they couldn't substitute internally or from their own FTAs. On the other hand we are heavily dependent on foreign goods which will spike in price on WTO rules.
You may have missed the fact that Trump's "renegotiation" of NAFTA includes a clause preventing Canada and Mexico from negotiating with China. That curtails their sovereignty and trade position to a greater extent than we have now within the EU.
We also benefit significantly from having "European" headquarters and manufacturing and R&D centres. They will not warrant a continental level of investment now.
You have asked too many questions here. Any Brexiteers have opportunity to give their standard vague phrases.
Of course, they never ask a direct question when asked in its own..."
Are you sure that they can't do a deal with China? It seems bizarre that any country would agree to that! |
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"Are we talking about the club you voted to leave Will, you must have thought it was pretty naff! "
Yes and no, in that order.
The only ting wrong with the club is it so wants us to be in it it is willing to allow us to continually stroke and stoke our own ego by giving us special status. The sooner we are out and are forced to face up to the fact we are nothing more than a small island off NW Europe, that has allowed a load of corrupt greedy troughing tories to sell our future (including our merchant marine and ship building) to American and Chinese corporations who promptly exported our industry and jobs to other parts of the world, the better! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"You ask these questions 3 and a bit months before we sever our ties with the EU...
I think you should have asked them 3 months before you voted in the referendum. Wouldn't you agree?
PS.I hope you are just posing a question for effect rather than waking up to the economic ramifications of leaving the EU regardless of the deal we get because no one outside a club (regardless of how special they think they are) can have the same deal as those in the club."
I’m just trying to understand some of the paradoxical viewpoints out there.
Eg ireland border is easy to solve. But we’re worried about the permanence of the backstop. I can’t square the circle here. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"You ask these questions 3 and a bit months before we sever our ties with the EU...
I think you should have asked them 3 months before you voted in the referendum. Wouldn't you agree?
PS.I hope you are just posing a question for effect rather than waking up to the economic ramifications of leaving the EU regardless of the deal we get because no one outside a club (regardless of how special they think they are) can have the same deal as those in the club."
Stop being supercilious.Nobody could have predicted the current situation. I am 100%certain you did not,you read a lot of crap but never seem to think or evaluate two sides of anything |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"The backstop is in their precisely because Dublin does not trust the Brexiteers to come up with any workable ideas of their own. Neither do I."
It is purely old hat religious devide,they are not interested in a peacefull solution to this matter
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Are we talking about the club you voted to leave Will, you must have thought it was pretty naff!
Yes and no, in that order.
The only ting wrong with the club is it so wants us to be in it it is willing to allow us to continually stroke and stoke our own ego by giving us special status. The sooner we are out and are forced to face up to the fact we are nothing more than a small island off NW Europe, that has allowed a load of corrupt greedy troughing tories to sell our future (including our merchant marine and ship building) to American and Chinese corporations who promptly exported our industry and jobs to other parts of the world, the better!"
More one sided crap |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"You ask these questions 3 and a bit months before we sever our ties with the EU...
I think you should have asked them 3 months before you voted in the referendum. Wouldn't you agree?
PS.I hope you are just posing a question for effect rather than waking up to the economic ramifications of leaving the EU regardless of the deal we get because no one outside a club (regardless of how special they think they are) can have the same deal as those in the club.Stop being supercilious.Nobody could have predicted the current situation. I am 100%certain you did not,you read a lot of crap but never seem to think or evaluate two sides of anything"
And if they did predict it, it would have been classed as project fear. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Mays leadership: Given this deal has been on the cards for yonks, why hasn’t there been enough letters ? Who is better to replace her ? Whatvcredentials (not rhetoric) do they have?
The backstop: what is the alternative today the Eu would accept? If there is an alternative that needs just a bit of tech, why the worry? What is the leverage which will get them to accept a different solution.
WTO: how much of our trade is on FTA via the Eu (with the Eu and with other countries). How much of our trade is with countries the Eu has bilateral agreements with? If we can replace lostbtrade from the Eu via new deals, why can’t they? Do we do so much trade with the Eu because if FTA, or because they are close ?
Nobody wants the job. The task was always impossible because the "promises" made by Leave could never be met. The new "inevitable" no deal option was never discussed before.
We have the best deal possible. It is, unsurprisingly, a bad deal.
The backstop should never happen but as we are such appalling negotiators that it might come in to play. The DUP are mentalists so it isn't acceptable anyway.
There is no "invisible" border that works. It's words like "technology" that are used in the same way as "magic".
All countries trade most with their nearest neighbours. We still will but with more difficulty.
I cannot identify anything that we sell to the EU that they couldn't substitute internally or from their own FTAs. On the other hand we are heavily dependent on foreign goods which will spike in price on WTO rules.
You may have missed the fact that Trump's "renegotiation" of NAFTA includes a clause preventing Canada and Mexico from negotiating with China. That curtails their sovereignty and trade position to a greater extent than we have now within the EU.
We also benefit significantly from having "European" headquarters and manufacturing and R&D centres. They will not warrant a continental level of investment now.
You have asked too many questions here. Any Brexiteers have opportunity to give their standard vague phrases.
Of course, they never ask a direct question when asked in its own...
Are you sure that they can't do a deal with China? It seems bizarre that any country would agree to that!"
not quite... there are clauses in the deal which mean they can't undercut the US in seperate trade deals if they do them with china....
funny enough in the Proposed Japan-EU deal... and the EU-Canada deal, they same thing is in place, which means that before the UK could do deals with either of those countries the EU can insist the EU is not harmed in any way by an agreement...
which basically means the best the UK could ever do in a deal with japan and canada for example is to match all terms, if they are inclined to! in reality no deal is going to be as good because they UK wouldn't have the economic clout of the EU...... |
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"Are we talking about the club you voted to leave Will, you must have thought it was pretty naff!
Yes and no, in that order.
The only ting wrong with the club is it so wants us to be in it it is willing to allow us to continually stroke and stoke our own ego by giving us special status. The sooner we are out and are forced to face up to the fact we are nothing more than a small island off NW Europe, that has allowed a load of corrupt greedy troughing tories to sell our future (including our merchant marine and ship building) to American and Chinese corporations who promptly exported our industry and jobs to other parts of the world, the better!"
Will you need to change the record! Finally stand up and admit your part in this brexit fiasco! |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"The backstop is in their precisely because Dublin does not trust the Brexiteers to come up with any workable ideas of their own. Neither do I.It is purely old hat religious devide,they are not interested in a peacefull solution to this matter"
Nothing to do with religion and everything to the bungling incompetence of Brexiteers.
Lord Lawson joking about the Republic rejoining the UK as the solution did make anyone in the South laugh.
Other Brexiteers saying it was time to tear up the Belfast Agreement.
And then David Davies agreeing to a backstop in the phase one talks, before dismissing it as something unenforceable in law.
Thet really sounded the alarm bells in Dublin.
Hence it is now in the withdrawal agreement with a legal lock.
The Brexiteers simply are not trusted - not in Dublin, not in Brussels, not anywhere in the EU27.
The Belfast Agreement transformed Ireland. It was a very clever piece of work, started by Major and concluded by Blair.
It allowed the unionists to feel their Britishness - no change without a referendum and the republic dropping its legal claim to the land - and it allowed the nationalists to feel it was one unified island by removing any evidence of a border.
How many thousands of people are alive today because of that agreement?
To dismiss the Dublin position as sectarian really does expose the ignorance ingrained in the Brexit mindset. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The backstop is in their precisely because Dublin does not trust the Brexiteers to come up with any workable ideas of their own. Neither do I.It is purely old hat religious devide,they are not interested in a peacefull solution to this matter
Nothing to do with religion and everything to the bungling incompetence of Brexiteers.
Lord Lawson joking about the Republic rejoining the UK as the solution did make anyone in the South laugh.
Other Brexiteers saying it was time to tear up the Belfast Agreement.
And then David Davies agreeing to a backstop in the phase one talks, before dismissing it as something unenforceable in law.
Thet really sounded the alarm bells in Dublin.
Hence it is now in the withdrawal agreement with a legal lock.
The Brexiteers simply are not trusted - not in Dublin, not in Brussels, not anywhere in the EU27.
The Belfast Agreement transformed Ireland. It was a very clever piece of work, started by Major and concluded by Blair.
It allowed the unionists to feel their Britishness - no change without a referendum and the republic dropping its legal claim to the land - and it allowed the nationalists to feel it was one unified island by removing any evidence of a border.
How many thousands of people are alive today because of that agreement?
To dismiss the Dublin position as sectarian really does expose the ignorance ingrained in the Brexit mindset."
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"The backstop is in their precisely because Dublin does not trust the Brexiteers to come up with any workable ideas of their own. Neither do I.It is purely old hat religious devide,they are not interested in a peacefull solution to this matter
Nothing to do with religion and everything to the bungling incompetence of Brexiteers.
Lord Lawson joking about the Republic rejoining the UK as the solution did make anyone in the South laugh.
Other Brexiteers saying it was time to tear up the Belfast Agreement.
And then David Davies agreeing to a backstop in the phase one talks, before dismissing it as something unenforceable in law.
Thet really sounded the alarm bells in Dublin.
Hence it is now in the withdrawal agreement with a legal lock.
The Brexiteers simply are not trusted - not in Dublin, not in Brussels, not anywhere in the EU27.
The Belfast Agreement transformed Ireland. It was a very clever piece of work, started by Major and concluded by Blair.
It allowed the unionists to feel their Britishness - no change without a referendum and the republic dropping its legal claim to the land - and it allowed the nationalists to feel it was one unified island by removing any evidence of a border.
How many thousands of people are alive today because of that agreement?
To dismiss the Dublin position as sectarian really does expose the ignorance ingrained in the Brexit mindset."
This.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The backstop is in their precisely because Dublin does not trust the Brexiteers to come up with any workable ideas of their own. Neither do I.It is purely old hat religious devide,they are not interested in a peacefull solution to this matter
Nothing to do with religion and everything to the bungling incompetence of Brexiteers.
Lord Lawson joking about the Republic rejoining the UK as the solution did make anyone in the South laugh.
Other Brexiteers saying it was time to tear up the Belfast Agreement.
And then David Davies agreeing to a backstop in the phase one talks, before dismissing it as something unenforceable in law.
Thet really sounded the alarm bells in Dublin.
Hence it is now in the withdrawal agreement with a legal lock.
The Brexiteers simply are not trusted - not in Dublin, not in Brussels, not anywhere in the EU27.
The Belfast Agreement transformed Ireland. It was a very clever piece of work, started by Major and concluded by Blair.
It allowed the unionists to feel their Britishness - no change without a referendum and the republic dropping its legal claim to the land - and it allowed the nationalists to feel it was one unified island by removing any evidence of a border.
How many thousands of people are alive today because of that agreement?
To dismiss the Dublin position as sectarian really does expose the ignorance ingrained in the Brexit mindset."
Absolutely this |
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