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"Which one do you have? There are many but I will start with the most obvious one, brexit means brexit lol "A free trade deal with the EU is going to be the easiest....  | |||
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"In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way.' Nigel Farage, May 2016. " Didn't you admit Nigel Farage was right about that one yesterday on another thread, seeing as everyone is still squabbling about Brexit 2 and a half years later. | |||
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"In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way.' Nigel Farage, May 2016. Didn't you admit Nigel Farage was right about that one yesterday on another thread, seeing as everyone is still squabbling about Brexit 2 and a half years later. " Your lack of comprehension is impressive. How about David Davis “the will be no downside to Brexit, only an upside”. | |||
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"In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way.' Nigel Farage, May 2016. Didn't you admit Nigel Farage was right about that one yesterday on another thread, seeing as everyone is still squabbling about Brexit 2 and a half years later. Your lack of comprehension is impressive. How about David Davis “the will be no downside to Brexit, only an upside”." Go and read the thread on the first page of the politics forum titled "Democracy? " You'll see Unleashed Kraken there admitting Farage was right on this along with Too Hot and Just-Andy. | |||
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"In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way.' Nigel Farage, May 2016. Didn't you admit Nigel Farage was right about that one yesterday on another thread, seeing as everyone is still squabbling about Brexit 2 and a half years later. Your lack of comprehension is impressive. How about David Davis “the will be no downside to Brexit, only an upside”. Go and read the thread on the first page of the politics forum titled "Democracy? " You'll see Unleashed Kraken there admitting Farage was right on this along with Too Hot and Just-Andy. " I think the poster means that Farage has changed his view on this. Not whether he was right or wrong. Good try though! | |||
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"In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way.' Nigel Farage, May 2016. Didn't you admit Nigel Farage was right about that one yesterday on another thread, seeing as everyone is still squabbling about Brexit 2 and a half years later. Your lack of comprehension is impressive. How about David Davis “the will be no downside to Brexit, only an upside”. Go and read the thread on the first page of the politics forum titled "Democracy? " You'll see Unleashed Kraken there admitting Farage was right on this along with Too Hot and Just-Andy. " On that he was right, I still think he was right and, until one side or the other gets something close to 60% or more, regrettably this will go on and on and on. It's just a shame that the one thing he was actually right on he's walked away from. | |||
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"Nick Clegg April 2014. " This is a dangerous fantasy, the idea there is going to be a European Air force, a European Army. It simple is not true" " Err there isn't tho' | |||
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"Nick Clegg April 2014. " This is a dangerous fantasy, the idea there is going to be a European Air force, a European Army. It simple is not true" Err there isn't tho'" Since Nick Clegg said that though it has been confirmed there will be one by Jean Claude Juncker, Angela Merkel and Emmanuel Macron. | |||
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"Nick Clegg April 2014. " This is a dangerous fantasy, the idea there is going to be a European Air force, a European Army. It simple is not true" Err there isn't tho' Since Nick Clegg said that though it has been confirmed there will be one by Jean Claude Juncker, Angela Merkel and Emmanuel Macron. " Have they? Can you provide a link or some guidance to a reputable page where they've said that. Or even just quote directly what they've actually said and when? | |||
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"Nick Clegg April 2014. " This is a dangerous fantasy, the idea there is going to be a European Air force, a European Army. It simple is not true" Err there isn't tho' Since Nick Clegg said that though it has been confirmed there will be one by Jean Claude Juncker, Angela Merkel and Emmanuel Macron. Have they? Can you provide a link or some guidance to a reputable page where they've said that. Or even just quote directly what they've actually said and when? " Jean Claude Juncker confirmed it in his state of the union address speech to the EU, both last year in 2017 and again this year in 2018. www.express.co.uk/news/politics/853462/Juncker-speech-LIVE-Jean-Claude-Juncker-State-of-the-Union-EU-European-Union Angela Merkel told MEP's in Strasbourg last weekend "We should work on a vision of one day establishing a real European army". She joined in backing Emmanuel Macron's calls for a European Army at the First World War centenary commemorations. Astonishingly Macron insulted the USA by saying Europe needed an Army to defend itself from America. Just how insulting can you be to one of the main countries that helped to liberate France from German occupation during WW2, and France owes much of the freedoms it enjoys today to the great sacrifices USA made to liberate France. Macron is a jumped up little Napoleon and should be thoroughly ashamed of himself for making those disrespectful comments. www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/angela-merkel-confirms-brexiteers-worst-13584399 www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/eu-army-angela-merkel-macron-germany-france-military-european-commission-juncker-a8633196.html | |||
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"In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way.' Nigel Farage, May 2016. Go and read the thread on the first page of the politics forum titled "Democracy? " You'll see Unleashed Kraken there admitting Farage was right on this along with Too Hot and Just-Andy. " I don't understand what you are getting at Centaur ? | |||
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"In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way.' Nigel Farage, May 2016. Go and read the thread on the first page of the politics forum titled "Democracy? " You'll see Unleashed Kraken there admitting Farage was right on this along with Too Hot and Just-Andy. I don't understand what you are getting at Centaur ?" Think I get what you are on about. Yeah, it's the leave voters that don't want to follow Nigel's statement though, is it lol  | |||
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"Nick Clegg April 2014. " This is a dangerous fantasy, the idea there is going to be a European Air force, a European Army. It simple is not true" Err there isn't tho' Since Nick Clegg said that though it has been confirmed there will be one by Jean Claude Juncker, Angela Merkel and Emmanuel Macron. Have they? Can you provide a link or some guidance to a reputable page where they've said that. Or even just quote directly what they've actually said and when? Jean Claude Juncker confirmed it in his state of the union address speech to the EU, both last year in 2017 and again this year in 2018. www.express.co.uk/news/politics/853462/Juncker-speech-LIVE-Jean-Claude-Juncker-State-of-the-Union-EU-European-Union Angela Merkel told MEP's in Strasbourg last weekend "We should work on a vision of one day establishing a real European army". She joined in backing Emmanuel Macron's calls for a European Army at the First World War centenary commemorations. Astonishingly Macron insulted the USA by saying Europe needed an Army to defend itself from America. Just how insulting can you be to one of the main countries that helped to liberate France from German occupation during WW2, and France owes much of the freedoms it enjoys today to the great sacrifices USA made to liberate France. Macron is a jumped up little Napoleon and should be thoroughly ashamed of himself for making those disrespectful comments. www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/angela-merkel-confirms-brexiteers-worst-13584399 www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/eu-army-angela-merkel-macron-germany-france-military-european-commission-juncker-a8633196.html " I'd rather us have been involved with a European Union army than follow every beck & call from the most war mongering nation this side of nearly 80 years the world has seen. | |||
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"Nick Clegg April 2014. " This is a dangerous fantasy, the idea there is going to be a European Air force, a European Army. It simple is not true" Err there isn't tho' Since Nick Clegg said that though it has been confirmed there will be one by Jean Claude Juncker, Angela Merkel and Emmanuel Macron. Have they? Can you provide a link or some guidance to a reputable page where they've said that. Or even just quote directly what they've actually said and when? Jean Claude Juncker confirmed it in his state of the union address speech to the EU, both last year in 2017 and again this year in 2018. www.express.co.uk/news/politics/853462/Juncker-speech-LIVE-Jean-Claude-Juncker-State-of-the-Union-EU-European-Union Angela Merkel told MEP's in Strasbourg last weekend "We should work on a vision of one day establishing a real European army". She joined in backing Emmanuel Macron's calls for a European Army at the First World War centenary commemorations. Astonishingly Macron insulted the USA by saying Europe needed an Army to defend itself from America. Just how insulting can you be to one of the main countries that helped to liberate France from German occupation during WW2, and France owes much of the freedoms it enjoys today to the great sacrifices USA made to liberate France. Macron is a jumped up little Napoleon and should be thoroughly ashamed of himself for making those disrespectful comments. www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/angela-merkel-confirms-brexiteers-worst-13584399 www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/eu-army-angela-merkel-macron-germany-france-military-european-commission-juncker-a8633196.html " Anyone on these forums who has served in the British Military will have at some point served under (for example) Dutch, German French Command in NATO exercises. Those same people would be doing the same job in a European defence force. Considering that relying on Donald Trump is something of a risky strategy at this time, the establishing of a dedicated European defence force is a very pragmatic step and something to be welcomed, rather than feared. Trump has no qualms about withdrawing US involvement from trade deals and international treaties and so relying on him to stand by NATO agreements is wishful thinking. | |||
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"Nick Clegg April 2014. " This is a dangerous fantasy, the idea there is going to be a European Air force, a European Army. It simple is not true" Err there isn't tho' Since Nick Clegg said that though it has been confirmed there will be one by Jean Claude Juncker, Angela Merkel and Emmanuel Macron. Have they? Can you provide a link or some guidance to a reputable page where they've said that. Or even just quote directly what they've actually said and when? Jean Claude Juncker confirmed it in his state of the union address speech to the EU, both last year in 2017 and again this year in 2018. www.express.co.uk/news/politics/853462/Juncker-speech-LIVE-Jean-Claude-Juncker-State-of-the-Union-EU-European-Union Angela Merkel told MEP's in Strasbourg last weekend "We should work on a vision of one day establishing a real European army". She joined in backing Emmanuel Macron's calls for a European Army at the First World War centenary commemorations. Astonishingly Macron insulted the USA by saying Europe needed an Army to defend itself from America. Just how insulting can you be to one of the main countries that helped to liberate France from German occupation during WW2, and France owes much of the freedoms it enjoys today to the great sacrifices USA made to liberate France. Macron is a jumped up little Napoleon and should be thoroughly ashamed of himself for making those disrespectful comments. www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/angela-merkel-confirms-brexiteers-worst-13584399 www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/eu-army-angela-merkel-macron-germany-france-military-european-commission-juncker-a8633196.html Anyone on these forums who has served in the British Military will have at some point served under (for example) Dutch, German French Command in NATO exercises. Those same people would be doing the same job in a European defence force. Considering that relying on Donald Trump is something of a risky strategy at this time, the establishing of a dedicated European defence force is a very pragmatic step and something to be welcomed, rather than feared. Trump has no qualms about withdrawing US involvement from trade deals and international treaties and so relying on him to stand by NATO agreements is wishful thinking." So when remainers said during the referendum in 2016 that there would never be an EU Army, that was a big fat lie then. | |||
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"Nick Clegg April 2014. " This is a dangerous fantasy, the idea there is going to be a European Air force, a European Army. It simple is not true" Err there isn't tho' Since Nick Clegg said that though it has been confirmed there will be one by Jean Claude Juncker, Angela Merkel and Emmanuel Macron. Have they? Can you provide a link or some guidance to a reputable page where they've said that. Or even just quote directly what they've actually said and when? Jean Claude Juncker confirmed it in his state of the union address speech to the EU, both last year in 2017 and again this year in 2018. www.express.co.uk/news/politics/853462/Juncker-speech-LIVE-Jean-Claude-Juncker-State-of-the-Union-EU-European-Union Angela Merkel told MEP's in Strasbourg last weekend "We should work on a vision of one day establishing a real European army". She joined in backing Emmanuel Macron's calls for a European Army at the First World War centenary commemorations. Astonishingly Macron insulted the USA by saying Europe needed an Army to defend itself from America. Just how insulting can you be to one of the main countries that helped to liberate France from German occupation during WW2, and France owes much of the freedoms it enjoys today to the great sacrifices USA made to liberate France. Macron is a jumped up little Napoleon and should be thoroughly ashamed of himself for making those disrespectful comments. www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/angela-merkel-confirms-brexiteers-worst-13584399 www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/eu-army-angela-merkel-macron-germany-france-military-european-commission-juncker-a8633196.html Anyone on these forums who has served in the British Military will have at some point served under (for example) Dutch, German French Command in NATO exercises. Those same people would be doing the same job in a European defence force. Considering that relying on Donald Trump is something of a risky strategy at this time, the establishing of a dedicated European defence force is a very pragmatic step and something to be welcomed, rather than feared. Trump has no qualms about withdrawing US involvement from trade deals and international treaties and so relying on him to stand by NATO agreements is wishful thinking. So when remainers said during the referendum in 2016 that there would never be an EU Army, that was a big fat lie then. " No at all. In 2016, while the UK was fully in the EU, with a full veto on all defence and security issues, there was no chance of a EU army being created. In fact I'm pretty sure a said on here at the time that the best way to make the creation of an EU army more likely was to vote Leave. Also Trump being elected in the US, his over cosy relationship with Putin and saying NATO was obsolete doesn't really inspire confidence in the US/NATO umbrella any longer. So, back in 2016, an EU army was impossible and wasn't needed, after 29 March 2019 an EU army is possible and probably needed. But then you probably actually want an EU army, after all you voted to allow it back in 2016. | |||
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"Nick Clegg April 2014. " This is a dangerous fantasy, the idea there is going to be a European Air force, a European Army. It simple is not true" Err there isn't tho' Since Nick Clegg said that though it has been confirmed there will be one by Jean Claude Juncker, Angela Merkel and Emmanuel Macron. Have they? Can you provide a link or some guidance to a reputable page where they've said that. Or even just quote directly what they've actually said and when? Jean Claude Juncker confirmed it in his state of the union address speech to the EU, both last year in 2017 and again this year in 2018. www.express.co.uk/news/politics/853462/Juncker-speech-LIVE-Jean-Claude-Juncker-State-of-the-Union-EU-European-Union Angela Merkel told MEP's in Strasbourg last weekend "We should work on a vision of one day establishing a real European army". She joined in backing Emmanuel Macron's calls for a European Army at the First World War centenary commemorations. Astonishingly Macron insulted the USA by saying Europe needed an Army to defend itself from America. Just how insulting can you be to one of the main countries that helped to liberate France from German occupation during WW2, and France owes much of the freedoms it enjoys today to the great sacrifices USA made to liberate France. Macron is a jumped up little Napoleon and should be thoroughly ashamed of himself for making those disrespectful comments. www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/angela-merkel-confirms-brexiteers-worst-13584399 www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/eu-army-angela-merkel-macron-germany-france-military-european-commission-juncker-a8633196.html Anyone on these forums who has served in the British Military will have at some point served under (for example) Dutch, German French Command in NATO exercises. Those same people would be doing the same job in a European defence force. Considering that relying on Donald Trump is something of a risky strategy at this time, the establishing of a dedicated European defence force is a very pragmatic step and something to be welcomed, rather than feared. Trump has no qualms about withdrawing US involvement from trade deals and international treaties and so relying on him to stand by NATO agreements is wishful thinking. So when remainers said during the referendum in 2016 that there would never be an EU Army, that was a big fat lie then. " I have never said anything of the sort. In early 2016 no-one knew for sure either that Trump would be elected or how he would be as a a President if he was elected. Now we know. He is not a reliable ally. That is not an anti-Trump statement, it is just a fact. In the event of an issue in Europe that involved a European (EU) nation and Russia, it is entirely possible that Trump would fail to respond. That is dangerous for Europe. An EU Defence Force / EU Army / Joint EU Task Force or whatever name it eventually goes by is a very good thing and I doubt that anyone in high command in the U.K. military would object to it. It would simply be the same people doing the same job that they did wearing a NATO badge and instead wearing an EU task force / army / defence force etc badge. It is easy to say that something won’t happen when it is not needed, but when circumstances change it is absolutely appropriate to change your mind. It is like a single guy saying that he won’t have kids only to find three years later that he has found the love of his life and she gets pregnant. The world changes and it is right to change with it. The question going forwards now then is where will the UK sit with regards to the EU task force? Would we lose our Sovereignty by remaining as America’s poodle and bombing Syria on demand, or would we accept that our interests are best served by protecting what is closest to us? | |||
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"Nick Clegg April 2014. " This is a dangerous fantasy, the idea there is going to be a European Air force, a European Army. It simple is not true" Err there isn't tho' Since Nick Clegg said that though it has been confirmed there will be one by Jean Claude Juncker, Angela Merkel and Emmanuel Macron. Have they? Can you provide a link or some guidance to a reputable page where they've said that. Or even just quote directly what they've actually said and when? Jean Claude Juncker confirmed it in his state of the union address speech to the EU, both last year in 2017 and again this year in 2018. www.express.co.uk/news/politics/853462/Juncker-speech-LIVE-Jean-Claude-Juncker-State-of-the-Union-EU-European-Union Angela Merkel told MEP's in Strasbourg last weekend "We should work on a vision of one day establishing a real European army". She joined in backing Emmanuel Macron's calls for a European Army at the First World War centenary commemorations. Astonishingly Macron insulted the USA by saying Europe needed an Army to defend itself from America. Just how insulting can you be to one of the main countries that helped to liberate France from German occupation during WW2, and France owes much of the freedoms it enjoys today to the great sacrifices USA made to liberate France. Macron is a jumped up little Napoleon and should be thoroughly ashamed of himself for making those disrespectful comments. www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/angela-merkel-confirms-brexiteers-worst-13584399 www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/eu-army-angela-merkel-macron-germany-france-military-european-commission-juncker-a8633196.html Anyone on these forums who has served in the British Military will have at some point served under (for example) Dutch, German French Command in NATO exercises. Those same people would be doing the same job in a European defence force. Considering that relying on Donald Trump is something of a risky strategy at this time, the establishing of a dedicated European defence force is a very pragmatic step and something to be welcomed, rather than feared. Trump has no qualms about withdrawing US involvement from trade deals and international treaties and so relying on him to stand by NATO agreements is wishful thinking. So when remainers said during the referendum in 2016 that there would never be an EU Army, that was a big fat lie then. I have never said anything of the sort. In early 2016 no-one knew for sure either that Trump would be elected or how he would be as a a President if he was elected. Now we know. He is not a reliable ally. That is not an anti-Trump statement, it is just a fact. In the event of an issue in Europe that involved a European (EU) nation and Russia, it is entirely possible that Trump would fail to respond. That is dangerous for Europe. An EU Defence Force / EU Army / Joint EU Task Force or whatever name it eventually goes by is a very good thing and I doubt that anyone in high command in the U.K. military would object to it. It would simply be the same people doing the same job that they did wearing a NATO badge and instead wearing an EU task force / army / defence force etc badge. It is easy to say that something won’t happen when it is not needed, but when circumstances change it is absolutely appropriate to change your mind. It is like a single guy saying that he won’t have kids only to find three years later that he has found the love of his life and she gets pregnant. The world changes and it is right to change with it. The question going forwards now then is where will the UK sit with regards to the EU task force? Would we lose our Sovereignty by remaining as America’s poodle and bombing Syria on demand, or would we accept that our interests are best served by protecting what is closest to us?" You may not have personally said there wouldn't be an EU Army in 2016 but the remain campaign shouted it loud from the roof tops. It's yet another prediction the remain campaign made in 2016 that has turned out to be false. Also we're not America's poodle and we didn't bomb Syria at their request, the house of commons voted against bombing Syria when Cameron was Prime minister. That should tell you we're sovereign when it comes to military action and we don't do what America demand. | |||
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"Another gem from the former Lib dem leader.... "I will forgive no one, who doesn't accept the democratic choice of the British people, whether it's by 1% or 20% because the British people are sovereign, and when they speak we carry out their wish, the British people demand it of us" Remainer Paddy Ashdown speaking just before the votes were counted on EU referendum day, 23rd June 2016. "Has Paddy ever said that the will of the people should be ignored? | |||
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"Since Nick Clegg said that though it has been confirmed there will be one by Jean Claude Juncker, Angela Merkel and Emmanuel Macron. " but we have also had Trump who has said he will not automatically honer the USA's treaty obligations under Article 5 of the NATO Treaty as is the USA's obligation unless it gets its way, and the UK is now withdrawing from the EU and making similar threats unless the EU gives in to UK brexit demands. Therefore regardless of if you approve or not the political landscape have changed since then making the statement redundant. | |||
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"So when remainers said during the referendum in 2016 that there would never be an EU Army, that was a big fat lie then. " Again, NO! There was no Trump breaking international treaties in 2016! Regardless of your approval or not when circumstances change in a way that reverses the status quo Centy then statements that confirm the status quo become null and void. Quoting superseded and irrelevant statements in an attempt to score political points is to quote Trump the sign of "a very low IQ individual" Centy. | |||
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"Ordinarily I wouldn’t care less what the EU gets up to once we have left. Unfortunately such a venture would give the Germans access to Frances nuclear weapons. There are reasons why Germany is not allowed to have her own nukes, and we have just been reminded as to what those reasons are. Or why don’t we just give Merkel a nice shiny new nuclear button on her next birthday, all nicely gift wrapped and on a silver platter?" So just to be clear you're the brexiteer who has no brexit regrets only seeing upsides and cant have it happen too soon or too hard (except for giving the Germans unfettered access to nuclear weapons, which you are totally against). Do you spot a flaw in the above? | |||
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"Ordinarily I wouldn’t care less what the EU gets up to once we have left. Unfortunately such a venture would give the Germans access to Frances nuclear weapons. There are reasons why Germany is not allowed to have her own nukes, and we have just been reminded as to what those reasons are. Or why don’t we just give Merkel a nice shiny new nuclear button on her next birthday, all nicely gift wrapped and on a silver platter? So just to be clear you're the brexiteer who has no brexit regrets only seeing upsides and cant have it happen too soon or too hard (except for giving the Germans unfettered access to nuclear weapons, which you are totally against). Do you spot a flaw in the above?" I have no regrets about us leaving the EU, other than the fact that our politicians are making a fuck of our withdrawal. YES I do want to get out hard and fast. I am against the kruats having access to nuclear weapons, but that will be an international issue, which the world will have to sort out. Had we remained there would have been the opportunity for them to get control of our nukes as well. | |||
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"Had we remained there would have been the opportunity for them to get control of our nukes as well." Or use our veto to stop them for ever... OOOps... Guess being a member of the EU (with a VETO) did have some benefits beyond the obvious economic ones. 
Don't worry tho, you can stand on the White Cliffs and sing 'Land of Hope and Glory' when your mate the Trumpster cancels our swap-out and targeting deal, leaving us with no accurate operational nuke delivery system because his boss Vlad has told him to. but don't you worry about that, it's much more important to cripple and undermine our most reliable defence allies and economic partners to aid the country that has been shafting us for over 100 years. | |||
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"Had we remained there would have been the opportunity for them to get control of our nukes as well. Or use our veto to stop them for ever... OOOps... Guess being a member of the EU (with a VETO) did have some benefits beyond the obvious economic ones.
Don't worry tho, you can stand on the White Cliffs and sing 'Land of Hope and Glory' when your mate the Trumpster cancels our swap-out and targeting deal, leaving us with no accurate operational nuke delivery system because his boss Vlad has told him to. but don't you worry about that, it's much more important to cripple and undermine our most reliable defence allies and economic partners to aid the country that has been shafting us for over 100 years."Our veto might have been useful once upon a time, but had become less affective over the years. There is no way whatsoever that the EU would have allowed us to get in the way of their federal dreams. I would absolutely rather trust Trump and Putin than Merkel and Barnier. At least they are not in the business of attempting to annex us into some form of federation... | |||
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"So when remainers said during the referendum in 2016 that there would never be an EU Army, that was a big fat lie then. Again, NO! There was no Trump breaking international treaties in 2016! Regardless of your approval or not when circumstances change in a way that reverses the status quo Centy then statements that confirm the status quo become null and void. Quoting superseded and irrelevant statements in an attempt to score political points is to quote Trump the sign of "a very low IQ individual" Centy." It's pretty clear you haven't bothered to read the links I've posted on this thread. If you had then you would've seen on them that Jean Claude Juncker was pushing for an EU Army as long as 4 years ago, way before Trump came on the scene. So your points about Trump changing everything are completely irrelevant. The EU had designs on an EU Army as early as 2014. Now what was It you were saying about low IQ individuals? Maybe you should have a look In the mirror on that score Will. | |||
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"So when remainers said during the referendum in 2016 that there would never be an EU Army, that was a big fat lie then. Again, NO! There was no Trump breaking international treaties in 2016! Regardless of your approval or not when circumstances change in a way that reverses the status quo Centy then statements that confirm the status quo become null and void. Quoting superseded and irrelevant statements in an attempt to score political points is to quote Trump the sign of "a very low IQ individual" Centy. It's pretty clear you haven't bothered to read the links I've posted on this thread. If you had then you would've seen on them that Jean Claude Juncker was pushing for an EU Army as long as 4 years ago, way before Trump came on the scene. So your points about Trump changing everything are completely irrelevant. The EU had designs on an EU Army as early as 2014. Now what was It you were saying about low IQ individuals? Maybe you should have a look In the mirror on that score Will. " What exactly is wrong with a combined regional defence force? It makes absolutely perfect sense in every way. | |||
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" It's pretty clear you haven't bothered to read the links I've posted on this thread. " You are opposed to countries pooling their military resources to create a collective defence that is greater than the sum of the parts? | |||
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"Another gem from the former Lib dem leader.... "I will forgive no one, who doesn't accept the democratic choice of the British people, whether it's by 1% or 20% because the British people are sovereign, and when they speak we carry out their wish, the British people demand it of us" Remainer Paddy Ashdown speaking just before the votes were counted on EU referendum day, 23rd June 2016.
Has Paddy ever said that the will of the people should be ignored?"Paddy Ashdown stood up in the House of Lords and encouraged other Lords to vote against the EU Withdrawal bill, so in essence yes he did say the will of the people should be ignored when he did that. Ashdown's face was a picture when a pro Brexit Lord stood up and quoted what Paddy had said about Democracy on EU referendum day in 2016 before votes were counted. | |||
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"Nick Clegg April 2014. " This is a dangerous fantasy, the idea there is going to be a European Air force, a European Army. It simple is not true" " It remains untrue in the same way that there is no NATO air force or army. Perhaps you can say that there is? All EU members are not members of NATO and there are also non-EU members of NATO. Clearly you want to interpret what has been said by Junker, Macron and Merkel as a military force paid for and reporting to Brussels with no national loyalty. That is not a surprise. Complexity is not your thing. There is already a European Defence Union for coordination of international military intervention including UN missions. This includes a provision for mutual defence. However, there is no permanent military command and control structure in place in the same way that NATO does. That is the practical proposition. The political proposition is to have a substantial, coordinated military independent of the USA regardless of being on friendly terms with them or not. With both Russian belligerence and rising Chinese military power that is a reasonable consideration for one of the world's biggest economic powers. So, the final questions are: Is there a NATO army and air force? If there is then Clegg was incorrect but we have already "betrayed our country" in some way by being a member of NATO. If NATO does not have an army but is a command and control mechanism then there isn't going to be an EU army by your definition. | |||
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"In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way.' Nigel Farage, May 2016. " Still my favourite. I agree with Farage on this point. I noticed that Centaur can't bring himself to say that he thinks that Farage is wrong | |||
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"Had we remained there would have been the opportunity for them to get control of our nukes as well. Or use our veto to stop them for ever... OOOps... Guess being a member of the EU (with a VETO) did have some benefits beyond the obvious economic ones.
Don't worry tho, you can stand on the White Cliffs and sing 'Land of Hope and Glory' when your mate the Trumpster cancels our swap-out and targeting deal, leaving us with no accurate operational nuke delivery system because his boss Vlad has told him to. but don't you worry about that, it's much more important to cripple and undermine our most reliable defence allies and economic partners to aid the country that has been shafting us for over 100 years.
Our veto might have been useful once upon a time, but had become less affective over the years. There is no way whatsoever that the EU would have allowed us to get in the way of their federal dreams. I would absolutely rather trust Trump and Putin than Merkel and Barnier. At least they are not in the business of attempting to annex us into some form of federation..."A "veto" cannot become less effective by definition. The UK has always "got in the way", but equally we have been free to go our own way in many areas. Placing your trust in Trump and Putin implies rather a lot about your view on democracy versus autocracy. Perhaps more about your attitude to compromise versus imposition of policy. | |||
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"Ordinarily I wouldn’t care less what the EU gets up to once we have left. Unfortunately such a venture would give the Germans access to Frances nuclear weapons. There are reasons why Germany is not allowed to have her own nukes, and we have just been reminded as to what those reasons are. Or why don’t we just give Merkel a nice shiny new nuclear button on her next birthday, all nicely gift wrapped and on a silver platter? So just to be clear you're the brexiteer who has no brexit regrets only seeing upsides and cant have it happen too soon or too hard (except for giving the Germans unfettered access to nuclear weapons, which you are totally against). Do you spot a flaw in the above? I have no regrets about us leaving the EU, other than the fact that our politicians are making a fuck of our withdrawal. YES I do want to get out hard and fast. I am against the kruats having access to nuclear weapons, but that will be an international issue, which the world will have to sort out. Had we remained there would have been the opportunity for them to get control of our nukes as well." Why are we responsible enough to have nuclear weapons and not the "Krauts", some of whom you claim as your "friends"? As a nation we were responsible for the deaths of millions in war and famine as we grew and administered our Empire. We transported slaves to America seeding a system of apartheid and leaving the racial divides of today. We left almost every country in our Empire deliberately divided along tribal, ethnic or religious lines to keep them weak and unstable so that we could retain influence. All of this seeding the international crises that we are living through. Why should we be trusted with nuclear weapons? | |||
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"Another gem from the former Lib dem leader.... "I will forgive no one, who doesn't accept the democratic choice of the British people, whether it's by 1% or 20% because the British people are sovereign, and when they speak we carry out their wish, the British people demand it of us" Remainer Paddy Ashdown speaking just before the votes were counted on EU referendum day, 23rd June 2016.
Has Paddy ever said that the will of the people should be ignored?
Paddy Ashdown stood up in the House of Lords and encouraged other Lords to vote against the EU Withdrawal bill, so in essence yes he did say the will of the people should be ignored when he did that. Ashdown's face was a picture when a pro Brexit Lord stood up and quoted what Paddy had said about Democracy on EU referendum day in 2016 before votes were counted. "The European Withdrawal Act gave secondary legislative powers to Ministers to introduce laws without Parliamentary scrutiny. That was not saying that the will of the people should be ignored. Quite the opposite. Paddy Ashdown was quite old when he said this. Does your criticism of him mean you hate old people Centaur? | |||
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"Another gem from the former Lib dem leader.... "I will forgive no one, who doesn't accept the democratic choice of the British people, whether it's by 1% or 20% because the British people are sovereign, and when they speak we carry out their wish, the British people demand it of us" Remainer Paddy Ashdown speaking just before the votes were counted on EU referendum day, 23rd June 2016.
Has Paddy ever said that the will of the people should be ignored?
Paddy Ashdown stood up in the House of Lords and encouraged other Lords to vote against the EU Withdrawal bill, so in essence yes he did say the will of the people should be ignored when he did that. Ashdown's face was a picture when a pro Brexit Lord stood up and quoted what Paddy had said about Democracy on EU referendum day in 2016 before votes were counted.
The European Withdrawal Act gave secondary legislative powers to Ministers to introduce laws without Parliamentary scrutiny.
That was not saying that the will of the people should be ignored. Quite the opposite.
Paddy Ashdown was quite old when he said this. Does your criticism of him mean you hate old people Centaur?"Now you've highlighted this it also shows remain voters are passing away over time as well. Paddy Ashdown was a remainer and is no longer with us. You posted the "Brexit crossover thread" about old people dying, you can own it. | |||
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"Another gem from the former Lib dem leader.... "I will forgive no one, who doesn't accept the democratic choice of the British people, whether it's by 1% or 20% because the British people are sovereign, and when they speak we carry out their wish, the British people demand it of us" Remainer Paddy Ashdown speaking just before the votes were counted on EU referendum day, 23rd June 2016.
Has Paddy ever said that the will of the people should be ignored?
Paddy Ashdown stood up in the House of Lords and encouraged other Lords to vote against the EU Withdrawal bill, so in essence yes he did say the will of the people should be ignored when he did that. Ashdown's face was a picture when a pro Brexit Lord stood up and quoted what Paddy had said about Democracy on EU referendum day in 2016 before votes were counted.
The European Withdrawal Act gave secondary legislative powers to Ministers to introduce laws without Parliamentary scrutiny.
That was not saying that the will of the people should be ignored. Quite the opposite.
Paddy Ashdown was quite old when he said this. Does your criticism of him mean you hate old people Centaur?
Now you've highlighted this it also shows remain voters are passing away over time as well. Paddy Ashdown was a remainer and is no longer with us. You posted the "Brexit crossover thread" about old people dying, you can own it. "Do you hate old people? Do you understand how statistics and percentages work? 
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"Another gem from the former Lib dem leader.... "I will forgive no one, who doesn't accept the democratic choice of the British people, whether it's by 1% or 20% because the British people are sovereign, and when they speak we carry out their wish, the British people demand it of us" Remainer Paddy Ashdown speaking just before the votes were counted on EU referendum day, 23rd June 2016.
Has Paddy ever said that the will of the people should be ignored?
Paddy Ashdown stood up in the House of Lords and encouraged other Lords to vote against the EU Withdrawal bill, so in essence yes he did say the will of the people should be ignored when he did that. Ashdown's face was a picture when a pro Brexit Lord stood up and quoted what Paddy had said about Democracy on EU referendum day in 2016 before votes were counted.
The European Withdrawal Act gave secondary legislative powers to Ministers to introduce laws without Parliamentary scrutiny.
That was not saying that the will of the people should be ignored. Quite the opposite.
Paddy Ashdown was quite old when he said this. Does your criticism of him mean you hate old people Centaur?
Now you've highlighted this it also shows remain voters are passing away over time as well. Paddy Ashdown was a remainer and is no longer with us. You posted the "Brexit crossover thread" about old people dying, you can own it. "Damn! I'm letting you try to divert attention again. Silly me
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"In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way.' Nigel Farage, May 2016. " . " I think there should be another referendum " ,,,,, by the very same Farage who is unhappy with the 52/48 outcome | |||
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"I did not have sexual relations with that woman Miss Lewinski. Saddam has weapons of mass distruction that can be launched inside 45 mins...." . Yet here they both stand continually respected in politics despite being liars of the highest order, Clinton even has several r@pe allegations which he's payed off in court. The left are truly bizarre at times. | |||
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"“When the British people speak, their voice will be respected, not ignored. If we vote to leave, then we will leave. There will not be another renegotiation and another referendum.” David Cameron" To be fair though Cameron not being PM now ends his involvement of that quote of his. | |||
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"“When the British people speak, their voice will be respected, not ignored. If we vote to leave, then we will leave. There will not be another renegotiation and another referendum.” David Cameron To be fair though Cameron not being PM now ends his involvement of that quote of his. " Interesting documentary being broadcast next week, with interviews of nearly all the key players. Donald Tusk recalls a conversation with David Cameron after he announced a referendum but before the 2015 general election. Tusk could not understand why he was doing it and thought it a stupid idea. Cameron said it would never come to pass - he expected the next government to be another coalition and the Lib Dems would veto it, so he told Tusk not to worry, it would not happen. Cameron declined to be interviewed because, he said, he has sold the rights to his memoirs. | |||
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"Which one do you have? There are many but I will start with the most obvious one, brexit means brexit lol "Wow sooo exciting, ooh look paint drying! | |||
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"Which one do you have? There are many but I will start with the most obvious one, brexit means brexit lol
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"Which one do you have? There are many but I will start with the most obvious one, brexit means brexit lol
Wow sooo exciting, ooh look paint drying!
Adolf Hitler said that! He was a painter and decorator "? Was he not a landscape painter ? | |||
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"Which one do you have? There are many but I will start with the most obvious one, brexit means brexit lol
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"Ken Clarke: "Is there a single law you can name where the British Government wanted to oppose it but the EU have over-ruled them?" David Davies: "There isn't one. It's about the principle." " David Davies a man of principle, who’d have thunked it | |||
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"Ken Clarke: "Is there a single law you can name where the British Government wanted to oppose it but the EU have over-ruled them?" David Davies: "There isn't one. It's about the principle." David Davies a man of principle, who’d have thunked it " .. I may be wrong but didn't Cameron try to bring in "No votes for prisoners" but was over ruled by E.U. | |||
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"Ken Clarke: "Is there a single law you can name where the British Government wanted to oppose it but the EU have over-ruled them?" David Davies: "There isn't one. It's about the principle." David Davies a man of principle, who’d have thunked it .. I may be wrong but didn't Cameron try to bring in "No votes for prisoners" but was over ruled by E.U." European Court of Human Rights. Nothing to do with the EU, it just has the word "European" in its name. | |||
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"Ken Clarke: "Is there a single law you can name where the British Government wanted to oppose it but the EU have over-ruled them?" David Davies: "There isn't one. It's about the principle." David Davies a man of principle, who’d have thunked it .. I may be wrong but didn't Cameron try to bring in "No votes for prisoners" but was over ruled by E.U. European Court of Human Rights. Nothing to do with the EU, it just has the word "European" in its name." oh right I'm very old thats my excuse. Your profiles got hor & bristol& easy in it - thats thrown me completely !!lol | |||
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"Ken Clarke: "Is there a single law you can name where the British Government wanted to oppose it but the EU have over-ruled them?" David Davies: "There isn't one. It's about the principle." David Davies a man of principle, who’d have thunked it .. I may be wrong but didn't Cameron try to bring in "No votes for prisoners" but was over ruled by E.U." He didn't try to 'bring it in'. The situation was then, is now and had always been that incarcerated prisoners can not vote in this country. There is an advisory ruling from the Europe Court of Human Rights (which is nothing to do with either the EU or the ECJ) that such a blanket law is a possible violation of people's human rights. | |||
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"No deal is better than a bad deal " Which side of the lobby will Mrs May walk through on the No Deal vote if, as expected, she loses the day before on her own deal? To keep No Deal on the table, or to take it off the table? She's humiliated again either way. | |||
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"No deal is better than a bad deal Which side of the lobby will Mrs May walk through on the No Deal vote if, as expected, she loses the day before on her own deal? To keep No Deal on the table, or to take it off the table? She's humiliated again either way. " She's a walking humiliation  | |||
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"Which one do you have? There are many but I will start with the most obvious one, brexit means brexit lol "No deal is better than a bad deal. | |||
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" Popped in the bookies earlier (William Hill) when i was in town and asked what the odds were for tomorrow's by election in Peterborough. Brexit party are the red hot favourite to win at 1/7." - Premier League / Centaur | |||
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""It's the arrogance. It's the contempt. That's what gets me. It's Gordon Brown's apparent belief that he can just trample on the democratic will of the British people. It's at moments like this that I think the political world has gone mad. "Everybody seems to have forgotten that the last general election was only two years ago, in 2005. A man called Tony Blair presented himself for re-election, and his face was to be seen - even if less prominently than in the past - on manifestos, leaflets, television screens and billboards. They voted for Anthony Charles Lynton Blair to serve as their leader. They were at no stage invited to vote on whether Gordon Brown should be PM. "Why are we all conniving in this stitch-up? This is nothing less than a palace coup, effected by the Brownites, and it is possible only because Tony had run out of road. The extraordinary thing is that it looks as though he will now be in 10 Downing Street for three years, and without a mandate from the British people. No one elected Gordon Brown as Prime Minister. Let's have an election without delay." - Boris Johnson on the appointment of Gordon Brown as PM in 2007 " well it seems whats good for the goose is good for the gander. | |||
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""Ursula von der Leyen has scraped in by 9 votes. Power but no legitimacy." Farage She got 52.3% of the vote. Leave received 51.9% of the vote in 2016. " | |||
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""Ursula von der Leyen has scraped in by 9 votes. Power but no legitimacy." Farage She got 52.3% of the vote. Leave received 51.9% of the vote in 2016. " great use of percentages yet again but does not disguise that 1.3 million people more voted to leave a bit of difference from 9 more people voted for her. | |||
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""Ursula von der Leyen has scraped in by 9 votes. Power but no legitimacy." Farage She got 52.3% of the vote. Leave received 51.9% of the vote in 2016. great use of percentages yet again but does not disguise that 1.3 million people more voted to leave a bit of difference from 9 more people voted for her. " Because of percentages, 1.4 million people could change their position overnight. They represent a tiny proportion of the population. That's how percentages and statistics work. That's what they demonstrate. | |||
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""Ursula von der Leyen has scraped in by 9 votes. Power but no legitimacy." Farage She got 52.3% of the vote. Leave received 51.9% of the vote in 2016. great use of percentages yet again but does not disguise that 1.3 million people more voted to leave a bit of difference from 9 more people voted for her. Because of percentages, 1.4 million people could change their position overnight. They represent a tiny proportion of the population. That's how percentages and statistics work. That's what they demonstrate." not much evidence of that. | |||
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"She won. Get over it. im happy for her makes no odds to me come November."Well it does because, come November whether we leave with 'no deal' or extend article 50 she is the person we'll be negotiating with to get the final deal. This is what those that advocate leaving with 'no deal' don't seem to realise. If we leave with 'no deal' it doesn't mean we don't have to do a deal with the EU. It just means we do the deal after we've left. The deal we finally get from the EU, whether we get it now or after we've left will be the same deal and that deal will look pretty much like May's deal. The only question in how we leave is do we want an organised Leave with a smooth implementation and transition period or a chaotic, disorganised Leave with two changes:- One from full EU member to WTO terms then another from WTO terms to something like May's deal. In the end any Leave ends up at May's deal or something very like it. The only difference is how much pain and hardship we put ourselves through getting there. | |||
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"She won. Get over it. im happy for her makes no odds to me come November.
Well it does because, come November whether we leave with 'no deal' or extend article 50 she is the person we'll be negotiating with to get the final deal. This is what those that advocate leaving with 'no deal' don't seem to realise. If we leave with 'no deal' it doesn't mean we don't have to do a deal with the EU. It just means we do the deal after we've left. The deal we finally get from the EU, whether we get it now or after we've left will be the same deal and that deal will look pretty much like May's deal. The only question in how we leave is do we want an organised Leave with a smooth implementation and transition period or a chaotic, disorganised Leave with two changes:- One from full EU member to WTO terms then another from WTO terms to something like May's deal. In the end any Leave ends up at May's deal or something very like it. The only difference is how much pain and hardship we put ourselves through getting there."Well not really, it doesnt matter who we negotiate with as once we leave and they come to the realization that there economies are suffering as we import much more than we export they will want to talk. | |||
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""Ursula von der Leyen has scraped in by 9 votes. Power but no legitimacy." Farage She got 52.3% of the vote. Leave received 51.9% of the vote in 2016. great use of percentages yet again but does not disguise that 1.3 million people more voted to leave a bit of difference from 9 more people voted for her. " Varying levels of difference, in many ways. Those votes represented people from many countries. And her votes are current, whilst those votes for leave represent a different bygone era. Democracy has to remain fluid, rather than static, so that archaic, obsolete inferior opinion, based upon very rudimentary, undeveloped fragments of knowlege, is superseded by superior wisdom that's more stabilised in reality. | |||
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" the eu/Germany would ignore this and continue with a hard line of "we will not renegotiate" and head towards a no deal? " Yes, I believe so. It is the UK that is rejecting terms agreed between the UK Government and the EU that would allow trade to continue tariff-free for two years at least. A No Deal exit, with the ensuing tariffs, can be the choice only of the UK. And the EU knows the impact on the UK will be many times greater than that on the EU27. The EU has said from day one its key objective is to maintain the integrity of the single market. That is a viewed shared by Germany and its manufacturers. The UK simply does not have the leverage to force the EU to rewrite the rules of the single market. | |||
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""Ursula von der Leyen has scraped in by 9 votes. Power but no legitimacy." Farage She got 52.3% of the vote. Leave received 51.9% of the vote in 2016. great use of percentages yet again but does not disguise that 1.3 million people more voted to leave a bit of difference from 9 more people voted for her. Varying levels of difference, in many ways. Those votes represented people from many countries. And her votes are current, whilst those votes for leave represent a different bygone era. Democracy has to remain fluid, rather than static, so that archaic, obsolete inferior opinion, based upon very rudimentary, undeveloped fragments of knowlege, is superseded by superior wisdom that's more stabilised in reality. " so do you think that her 5 years in the job is to long? should we vote every year or even every 6 months to keep democracy fluid?Anyway thats besides the point there is no democracy if you dont implement any vote in the first place. | |||
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"Are you going to stop buying stuff from them? Will they stop buying stuff from us? Let's assume all trade ceases. The UK loses 44 per cent of exports. The EU loses 8 per cent of its. And you think they'll be the ones begging for a deal? Dream on. " The one problem is that a so called "no deal" will be as economically bad for Eire as it would for us. Would the EU see that happen? | |||
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"Are you going to stop buying stuff from them? Will they stop buying stuff from us? Let's assume all trade ceases. The UK loses 44 per cent of exports. The EU loses 8 per cent of its. And you think they'll be the ones begging for a deal? Dream on. " every country in the eu sells more to us than buys for us fact,yes germany and france will be ok im not sure all the others are going to fare as well.Another very good use of percentages though well done. | |||
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" the eu/Germany would ignore this and continue with a hard line of "we will not renegotiate" and head towards a no deal? Yes, I believe so. It is the UK that is rejecting terms agreed between the UK Government and the EU that would allow trade to continue tariff-free for two years at least. A No Deal exit, with the ensuing tariffs, can be the choice only of the UK. And the EU knows the impact on the UK will be many times greater than that on the EU27. The EU has said from day one its key objective is to maintain the integrity of the single market. That is a viewed shared by Germany and its manufacturers. The UK simply does not have the leverage to force the EU to rewrite the rules of the single market. " Do you know, i think you're right. The recent Barnier interview reveals what ive thought for some time... May wasn't up to the job of negotiating... and so what we ended up with is a bad deal that she then couldn't sell to the house. | |||
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" every country in the eu sells more to us than buys for us fact,yes germany and france will be ok im not sure all the others are going to fare as well.Another very good use of percentages though well done." Are you planning to boycott goods made in the EU27? | |||
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" The recent Barnier interview reveals what ive thought for some time... May wasn't up to the job of negotiating... and so what we ended up with is a bad deal that she then couldn't sell to the house. " It was the only agreement possible because of her red lines. | |||
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" The one problem is that a so called "no deal" will be as economically bad for Eire as it would for us. Would the EU see that happen? " Of the EU countries, Ireland is most exposed to collateral damage, yes. That's why the EU is already acting to mitigate the impact - 50% grant-aid, for example, towards the cost of setting up direct ferry links between France and Ireland. | |||
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"Are you going to stop buying stuff from them? Will they stop buying stuff from us? Let's assume all trade ceases. The UK loses 44 per cent of exports. The EU loses 8 per cent of its. And you think they'll be the ones begging for a deal? Dream on. The one problem is that a so called "no deal" will be as economically bad for Eire as it would for us. Would the EU see that happen? " 10% of Irelandd exports goes to uk. 40% of our exports go to eu. | |||
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"Are you going to stop buying stuff from them? Will they stop buying stuff from us? Let's assume all trade ceases. The UK loses 44 per cent of exports. The EU loses 8 per cent of its. And you think they'll be the ones begging for a deal? Dream on. every country in the eu sells more to us than buys for us fact,yes germany and france will be ok im not sure all the others are going to fare as well.Another very good use of percentages though well done." Does that include Ireland? | |||
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" the eu/Germany would ignore this and continue with a hard line of "we will not renegotiate" and head towards a no deal? Yes, I believe so. It is the UK that is rejecting terms agreed between the UK Government and the EU that would allow trade to continue tariff-free for two years at least. A No Deal exit, with the ensuing tariffs, can be the choice only of the UK. And the EU knows the impact on the UK will be many times greater than that on the EU27. The EU has said from day one its key objective is to maintain the integrity of the single market. That is a viewed shared by Germany and its manufacturers. The UK simply does not have the leverage to force the EU to rewrite the rules of the single market. Do you know, i think you're right. The recent Barnier interview reveals what ive thought for some time... May wasn't up to the job of negotiating... and so what we ended up with is a bad deal that she then couldn't sell to the house. " None of the EU interviewees were exactly glowing about Davies, Johnson or anyone else though... | |||
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"Are you going to stop buying stuff from them? Will they stop buying stuff from us? Let's assume all trade ceases. The UK loses 44 per cent of exports. The EU loses 8 per cent of its. And you think they'll be the ones begging for a deal? Dream on. every country in the eu sells more to us than buys for us fact,yes germany and france will be ok im not sure all the others are going to fare as well.Another very good use of percentages though well done." What must they buy from us that they cannot get from each other? Almost nothing I think. Consequently they can substitute almost all of our sales to them which significantly reduces their absolute loss. Still not good for them by any stretch, but what do we do? We are still constrained to buy from them, but now with the addition of a tariff. What do you see happening? | |||
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""Whatever common ground we may have with the LibDems and some Tories I can't forgive them for what they've done to my area " ,,, Chukka Umuna , the Labour MP for Streatham who had increased his vote , (under Jeremy Corbyn's leadership )from 26,474 to 38,212 ,, ----- before deciding to become the "LibDem" MP for Streatham without holding a by-election ( at the 2017 General Election the LibDem vote in Streatham was 3,611 which means 34,605 more people in Streatham voted Labour than LibDem but Chukka has decided Streatham will have a LibDem MP )" . it's no wonder people are sick of voting and politics | |||
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""Whatever common ground we may have with the LibDems and some Tories I can't forgive them for what they've done to my area " ,,, Chukka Umuna , the Labour MP for Streatham who had increased his vote , (under Jeremy Corbyn's leadership )from 26,474 to 38,212 ,, ----- before deciding to become the "LibDem" MP for Streatham without holding a by-election ( at the 2017 General Election the LibDem vote in Streatham was 3,611 which means 34,605 more people in Streatham voted Labour than LibDem but Chukka has decided Streatham will have a LibDem MP )" . As a little addition to the above post , when May completed her last PMQs as PM , Chukka Umuna , despite his annoyance at what the Tories and LibDems had done to his constituents in Streatham , stood by the side of the new LibDem leader ( Swinson ) and they both gave May a standing ovation | |||
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""This is a one time vote - IN or OUT - This is it! We will implement what you decide". David Cameron, 2016 before the referendum. Cue then "it was only advisory" rhetoric after the result didn't go as expected." He never actually said that though... | |||
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""This is a one time vote - IN or OUT - This is it! We will implement what you decide". David Cameron, 2016 before the referendum. Cue then "it was only advisory" rhetoric after the result didn't go as expected. He never actually said that though..." Not like you to look at the exact words ?? | |||
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""Brexit means Brexit" Do you know what it is, yet? ". Brexit === nobody knows what it is ,, but they want it | |||
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