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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Dropping like flies.

So good to see the collapse of the Tory government

The tide has turned and people now know we are far better staying in the e.u.

Why can't the Tories accept people don't want brexit anymore

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's glorious. And hopefully not come too late!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Dropping like flies.

So good to see the collapse of the Tory government

The tide has turned and people now know we are far better staying in the e.u.

Why can't the Tories accept people don't want brexit anymore "
Are you speaking for the 52 million who said they did want brexit ?

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By *tingly ByronMan over a year ago

In a town Fab forgot

"Dropping like flies.

So good to see the collapse of the Tory government

The tide has turned and people now know we are far better staying in the e.u.

Why can't the Tories accept people don't want brexit anymore

Are you speaking for the 52 million who said they did want brexit ? "

Apparently they've all changed their mind.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Dropping like flies.

So good to see the collapse of the Tory government

The tide has turned and people now know we are far better staying in the e.u.

Why can't the Tories accept people don't want brexit anymore "

You speaking for the over 17 million people that do want Brexit?? Which I may add is a majority....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Dropping like flies.

So good to see the collapse of the Tory government

The tide has turned and people now know we are far better staying in the e.u.

Why can't the Tories accept people don't want brexit anymore Are you speaking for the 52 million who said they did want brexit ? "

Or the 52 million that still wouldn’t be getting the brexit they wanted even if it goes though?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Dropping like flies.

So good to see the collapse of the Tory government

The tide has turned and people now know we are far better staying in the e.u.

Why can't the Tories accept people don't want brexit anymore

Are you speaking for the 52 million who said they did want brexit ?

Apparently they've all changed their mind.

"
This one ain't

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Dropping like flies.

So good to see the collapse of the Tory government

The tide has turned and people now know we are far better staying in the e.u.

Why can't the Tories accept people don't want brexit anymore Are you speaking for the 52 million who said they did want brexit ?

Or the 52 million that still wouldn’t be getting the brexit they wanted even if it goes though?"
Don't believe everything you read mate

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By *imply_SensualMan over a year ago

Widnes

Darting off to catch up on the news.....

I get that people want to see democracy through and go with the vote, however, those who say simply say we voted out so deal with it (not just here, but everywhere on social media etc) - are you saying that because we voted out, you are happy to accept ANY deal that is put on the table, just because it means we leave? (even though in some respects we wont technically leave)?

And just for clarity (and bias probably) I did vote remain.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Dropping like flies.

So good to see the collapse of the Tory government

The tide has turned and people now know we are far better staying in the e.u.

Why can't the Tories accept people don't want brexit anymore Are you speaking for the 52 million who said they did want brexit ?

Or the 52 million that still wouldn’t be getting the brexit they wanted even if it goes though?"

52%, not 52 million.

It was 17.4 million who voted for Brexit, and I was one of them - and I would again so no, I haven't changed my mind.

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By *uke olovingmanMan over a year ago

Gravesend

Let's just get rid of our government altogether and let Brussels do the whole thing for us

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Let's just get rid of our government altogether and let Brussels do the whole thing for us"

Well they couldn’t do any worse

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Darting off to catch up on the news.....

And just for clarity (and bias probably) I did vote remain."
And are you saying the millions and millions who voted out and still would vote out and won a referendum. Should now support a 2nd one because the ones who voted remain want another go ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm amazed that some MP's are falling on their swords.

They have determined in their opinion that the Brexit Deal falls short of what either they or the people that elected them expected.

Applying the "No deal is better than a bad deal" scenario, Europe is determined to make the process as painful as possible to ensure that any other countries looking at leaving think twice about it.

Europe could, if they wanted to, wave us on our way on amicable terms. However we will be punished no matter what.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Dropping like flies.

So good to see the collapse of the Tory government

The tide has turned and people now know we are far better staying in the e.u.

Why can't the Tories accept people don't want brexit anymore Are you speaking for the 52 million who said they did want brexit ?

Or the 52 million that still wouldn’t be getting the brexit they wanted even if it goes though?

52%, not 52 million.

It was 17.4 million who voted for Brexit, and I was one of them - and I would again so no, I haven't changed my mind."
i stand corrected

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No they should support a second referendum because the brexit promised in the first was always impossible, and now 'the deal' has proven that.

They were lied to repeatedly, and are still being lied to by the Rees-Mogg's and Arron Banks' of this world.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Dont make me call brexit

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No they should support a second referendum because the brexit promised in the first was always impossible, and now 'the deal' has proven that.

They were lied to repeatedly, and are still being lied to by the Rees-Mogg's and Arron Banks' of this world."
like fuck

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Darting off to catch up on the news.....

And just for clarity (and bias probably) I did vote remain. And are you saying the millions and millions who voted out and still would vote out and won a referendum. Should now support a 2nd one because the ones who voted remain want another go ? "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No they should support a second referendum because the brexit promised in the first was always impossible, and now 'the deal' has proven that.

They were lied to repeatedly, and are still being lied to by the Rees-Mogg's and Arron Banks' of this world."
Then that makes it 1 .1 . Do we then have a tie breaker 3rd referendum?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

'There can be no possible downside to brexit' 'Sunlit uplands' 'As good or better deal than we have now"

All quotes from the leave campaign. (And I won't include the one from Vote Leave who promised negotiations would conclude before article 50 was triggered)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Actually i'd rather parliament decided it, referendums are a terrible idea, generally. We don't live in a plebiscite.

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By *tace 309TV/TS over a year ago

durham

"Dropping like flies.

So good to see the collapse of the Tory government

The tide has turned and people now know we are far better staying in the e.u.

Why can't the Tories accept people don't want brexit anymore "
what people ? The remoaners,? The elite . its time most of you see the EU for what it is . a bunch of federalist numpties.. I want out .and I will always want out .stick that in your pipe and smoke it . I blame the shit stirrers for all this commotion . if brexit doesn't happen then this country will descend into anarchy so if that's your aim bring it on . for gods sake some of you out there begger belief and need to bloody well grow up .the dummies need putting back in once and for all .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Dropping like flies.

So good to see the collapse of the Tory government

The tide has turned and people now know we are far better staying in the e.u.

Why can't the Tories accept people don't want brexit anymore what people ? The remoaners,? The elite . its time most of you see the EU for what it is . a bunch of federalist numpties.. I want out .and I will always want out .stick that in your pipe and smoke it . I blame the shit stirrers for all this commotion . if brexit doesn't happen then this country will descend into anarchy so if that's your aim bring it on . for gods sake some of you out there begger belief and need to bloody well grow up .the dummies need putting back in once and for all . "

If you want anarchy, press head with 'no deal'

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Darting off to catch up on the news.....

Think he’s saying that when the vote took place no one (not even the politicians) knew what ‘out’ meant. Now the deal is on the table, and what it will realistically mean, the country should be given a chance to say “yes I still want out” or “That’s not what I voted for”... which I believe is a sensible approach "
The only reason we can't get out the way we wanted too is because the EU is holding all the cards and making it virtually impossible too leave. One of the reasons we wanted to leave in the first place . We have been bullied by the EU for years and now we still are

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Dropping like flies.

So good to see the collapse of the Tory government

The tide has turned and people now know we are far better staying in the e.u.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Darting off to catch up on the news.....

Think he’s saying that when the vote took place no one (not even the politicians) knew what ‘out’ meant. Now the deal is on the table, and what it will realistically mean, the country should be given a chance to say “yes I still want out” or “That’s not what I voted for”... which I believe is a sensible approach The only reason we can't get out the way we wanted too is because the EU is holding all the cards and making it virtually impossible too leave. One of the reasons we wanted to leave in the first place . We have been bullied by the EU for years and now we still are "

So given that, I put an earlier point to you again. Is it sensible to walk away under a deal that would leave us:

even worse off,

in an impossible position

Find out what the country now feels (inc leavers) having learned what’s on offer

Take the stuff ‘em attitude and leave at all costs

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

All major company directors. Leader of the bank

More than half the population all want to stay

Big banks and business moving to Europe

Dyson who wants brexit opens a factory in the far East

Yes but we will have blue passports

When I see in the news of factories closing in vote leave areas or Cornwall crying because of funding cuts I can't help but smile.

Why vote for something that will cost us all money.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Rees Mogg has opened his companies new headquarters is Dublin . He wants us to leave but his money to stay

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"All major company directors. Leader of the bank

More than half the population all want to stay

Big banks and business moving to Europe

Dyson who wants brexit opens a factory in the far East

Yes but we will have blue passports

When I see in the news of factories closing in vote leave areas or Cornwall crying because of funding cuts I can't help but smile.

Why vote for something that will cost us all money.

You forgot the farmers, most of who voted out, dunno where they expected their subsidies to come from after Brexit?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

People shouldn't be allowed to resign just because the going gets tough. They are there to do a job, get paid bloody well for it. Grow some balls and finish it for better or worse. Its supposed to be a country they're running, its a little bit important

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We can all discuss this till we blue in the face...the vote was done,leave won so let's get on with it and see what happens....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Dropping like flies.

So good to see the collapse of the Tory government

The tide has turned and people now know we are far better staying in the e.u.

Why can't the Tories accept people don't want brexit anymore Are you speaking for the 52 million who said they did want brexit ? "

It was 17 million. Let's keep it factual. Plus the 17 million who voted didn't know what it would entail. Nor did the government it would appear

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Dropping like flies.

So good to see the collapse of the Tory government

The tide has turned and people now know we are far better staying in the e.u.

Why can't the Tories accept people don't want brexit anymore Are you speaking for the 52 million who said they did want brexit ?

It was 17 million. Let's keep it factual. Plus the 17 million who voted didn't know what it would entail. Nor did the government it would appear "

I knew exactly what it would entail...the ballot paper said leave or remain....hardly rocket science is it?

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By *ild_oatsMan over a year ago

the land of saints & sinners

Article 50 was designed in such a way that it was never meant to be used.

The great trick Brexiteers have done is fool the population that socio-economic woes of this country are all the fault of the EU without fully explaining the real consequences of exiting. When in fact we are a small island nation subject to the whims of global economics and will be more vulnerable if we do exit.

One consequence will eventually be the break up of the union with countries like Scotland going their own way and joining the EU If brexit happens and really hope it doesn’t. But I will support the break up of the union so I can have Scottish citizenship and regain my EU citizenship so my children have the opportunities of freedom of movement, study and work in Europe. My eldest currently wants to study in Berlin in the next 2 years but all that is in doubt.

The EU on the whole has been a force for good. Not everything is perfect but you don’t effect change by throwing the baby out with the bath water.

The old adage is still true there is strength in numbers.

I am an ardent remainer and I have yet to see any convincing evidence that proves we will be better off leaving.

The idea of sovereign nation is an abstract concept to most and in reality has no bearing on gereral day to day living.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Dropping like flies.

So good to see the collapse of the Tory government

The tide has turned and people now know we are far better staying in the e.u.

Why can't the Tories accept people don't want brexit anymore Are you speaking for the 52 million who said they did want brexit ?

It was 17 million. Let's keep it factual. Plus the 17 million who voted didn't know what it would entail. Nor did the government it would appear "

All 17 million didnt know

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"All major company directors. Leader of the bank

More than half the population all want to stay

Big banks and business moving to Europe

Dyson who wants brexit opens a factory in the far East

Yes but we will have blue passports

When I see in the news of factories closing in vote leave areas or Cornwall crying because of funding cuts I can't help but smile.

Why vote for something that will cost us all money.

You forgot the farmers, most of who voted out, dunno where they expected their subsidies to come from after Brexit?"

Funny that....maybe because the EU is screwing them over...

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By *uttyjonnMan over a year ago

SEA

Brexit is being used as a political football by all parties and businesses

Ultimately politics and business hate uncertainty which is what comes with brexit

They should all grow a pair, embrace the will of the people for better or worse

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

Own up then, who was it who voted for ‘adequate food’?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Dropping like flies.

So good to see the collapse of the Tory government

The tide has turned and people now know we are far better staying in the e.u.

Why can't the Tories accept people don't want brexit anymore Are you speaking for the 52 million who said they did want brexit ?

It was 17 million. Let's keep it factual. Plus the 17 million who voted didn't know what it would entail. Nor did the government it would appear

I knew exactly what it would entail...the ballot paper said leave or remain....hardly rocket science is it?"

Rocket based physics aside. Perhaps it would be better to explain it that the complications of a leave vote were not fully considered or understood. It has taken almost 2 years to come to an agreement which may still not entail a full leave. Or a hard brexit as some quarters have called it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"All major company directors. Leader of the bank

More than half the population all want to stay

Big banks and business moving to Europe

Dyson who wants brexit opens a factory in the far East

Yes but we will have blue passports

When I see in the news of factories closing in vote leave areas or Cornwall crying because of funding cuts I can't help but smile.

Why vote for something that will cost us all money.

You forgot the farmers, most of who voted out, dunno where they expected their subsidies to come from after Brexit?

Funny that....maybe because the EU is screwing them over..."

No, the funny thing is it’s the EU paying their subsidies

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By *abrielle247Couple (FF) over a year ago

PDI Gran Canaria

Did someone mention Government, I wasn't aware we had one. Well perhaps we shall get a general election now and actually get one.

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

"Dropping like flies.

So good to see the collapse of the Tory government

The tide has turned and people now know we are far better staying in the e.u.

Why can't the Tories accept people don't want brexit anymore

Are you speaking for the 52 million who said they did want brexit ?

Apparently they've all changed their mind.

Not us...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Remain or leave . Whatever the outcome is I wish they would fucking hurry up . It's doing my head in

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By *hatYorkLadMan over a year ago

York

The EU declaring that they're to form a single European army after years of denying that it was their intention is deeply concerning, particularly as they will use it to keep member states in line who are no longer fully on board with being governed from Brussels. I'll be handing my kit in if our weak government caves in on Brexit and signs us up to it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Dropping like flies.

So good to see the collapse of the Tory government

The tide has turned and people now know we are far better staying in the e.u.

Why can't the Tories accept people don't want brexit anymore Are you speaking for the 52 million who said they did want brexit ?

It was 17 million. Let's keep it factual. Plus the 17 million who voted didn't know what it would entail. Nor did the government it would appear

I knew exactly what it would entail...the ballot paper said leave or remain....hardly rocket science is it?

So because we MAY have some hardships we should just stay part of a corrupt organisation?? Sorry no chance,there are plenty of countries better off than us who are not dictated to by a power we as UK citizens did not vote for.

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By *ild_oatsMan over a year ago

the land of saints & sinners

Explain how the EU is a corrupt organisation... ??

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By *oi_LucyCouple over a year ago

Barbados

"Darting off to catch up on the news.....

Think he’s saying that when the vote took place no one (not even the politicians) knew what ‘out’ meant. Now the deal is on the table, and what it will realistically mean, the country should be given a chance to say “yes I still want out” or “That’s not what I voted for”... which I believe is a sensible approach The only reason we can't get out the way we wanted too is because the EU is holding all the cards and making it virtually impossible too leave. One of the reasons we wanted to leave in the first place . We have been bullied by the EU for years and now we still are "

Hahahahahaha

-Matt

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

A majority of people voted for a slogan written on the side of a bus.

And rhetoric.

There was no coherent plan, no blueprint, no costed schedule, nothing. Nada.

Not then, not now.

And yet so many have faith in the cheerleaders of Brexit, that there is some secret masterplan behind all this.

There isn’t.

It was being made up day by day in 2016 and its still being made up day by day in 2018.

And you think these people are fit to run a country?

I have never seen incompetence on this scale in my lifetime.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

"The EU declaring that they're to form a single European army after years of denying that it was their intention is deeply concerning, particularly as they will use it to keep member states in line who are no longer fully on board with being governed from Brussels. I'll be handing my kit in if our weak government caves in on Brexit and signs us up to it."

I believe the sovereign states of France and Germany have suggested a collective defence alliance. What do the other sovereign states think?

Its sloppy and misleading to pin this on the EU, but it fits the narrative of having a bogey man to blame for anything you dislike.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Dropping like flies.

So good to see the collapse of the Tory government

The tide has turned and people now know we are far better staying in the e.u.

Why can't the Tories accept people don't want brexit anymore Are you speaking for the 52 million who said they did want brexit ?

It was 17 million. Let's keep it factual. Plus the 17 million who voted didn't know what it would entail. Nor did the government it would appear

I knew exactly what it would entail...the ballot paper said leave or remain....hardly rocket science is it?

This good example of extreme ignorance is the reason I keep saying why we shouldn’t have another referendum. People will vote the same way they did last time.

We knew how bad this would be for the UK last time we voted and people either didn’t give a fuck because the supported bullshit concepts like “sovereignty”, “look at all these brown coloured people trying to get into our country” etc or they believe that the tooth fairy will some how get us better trade deals than we have and we will magically be rich.

All of which has been proven wrong countless times, yet people will still vote to destroy the country.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A majority of people voted for a slogan written on the side of a bus.

And rhetoric.

There was no coherent plan, no blueprint, no costed schedule, nothing. Nada.

Not then, not now.

And yet so many have faith in the cheerleaders of Brexit, that there is some secret masterplan behind all this.

There isn’t.

It was being made up day by day in 2016 and its still being made up day by day in 2018.

And you think these people are fit to run a country?

I have never seen incompetence on this scale in my lifetime."

I agree wholeheartedly

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By *imply_SensualMan over a year ago

Widnes

"Darting off to catch up on the news.....

I am not saying anyone should support another referendum. As someone else commented, it would be sensible, but I wouldnt expect every one to support it.

But, for everyone who voted leave, what were your expectations that 'leaving' looked like? Did you think it would be unconditional with a complete severing of ties with the EU? Does the proposed plan meet all of your expectations, or do you not care as long as 'we leave' regardless of the conditions?

I may have voted remain, but I am happy to leave as long as the deal is right. As it stands now, the decision to leave was a complete gamble.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Darting off to catch up on the news.....

I am not saying anyone should support another referendum. As someone else commented, it would be sensible, but I wouldnt expect every one to support it.

I may have voted remain, but I am happy to leave as long as the deal is right. As it stands now, the decision to leave was a complete gamble."
of course i have no idea what will happen if we leave . No one has . But we had a referendum. The country voted leave . So for the sake of democracy we must leave or never trust in democracy again

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"Darting off to catch up on the news.....

No. We're saying that the BREXIT now on offer is completely different from the BREXIT that was sold to the electorate 2.5 years ago. We're also saying there is no mandate for either this BREXIT deal, 'no deal' BREXIT or no BREXIT. For those reasons we believe that the issue must be put back to the people to get a mandate for something.

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

"All major company directors. Leader of the bank

More than half the population all want to stay

Big banks and business moving to Europe

Dyson who wants brexit opens a factory in the far East

Yes but we will have blue passports

When I see in the news of factories closing in vote leave areas or Cornwall crying because of funding cuts I can't help but smile.

Why vote for something that will cost us all money.

You forgot the farmers, most of who voted out, dunno where they expected their subsidies to come from after Brexit?

Funny that....maybe because the EU is screwing them over...

No, the funny thing is it’s the EU paying their subsidies "

NO its not its UK money paid into the EU that comes back to the UK to pay the subs, christ and they say leave voters arent bright

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"No they should support a second referendum because the brexit promised in the first was always impossible, and now 'the deal' has proven that.

They were lied to repeatedly, and are still being lied to by the Rees-Mogg's and Arron Banks' of this world. Then that makes it 1 .1 . Do we then have a tie breaker 3rd referendum? "

We've already had two. The first one Remain won by 67%. The second one Leave won by 52%. So one more would give us best of 3.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan over a year ago

salisbury

The Tories won the first referendum, and are trying all sorts of dirty tricks to make sure that they don't lose the 2nd... even if that means having a third.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"Actually i'd rather parliament decided it, referendums are a terrible idea, generally. We don't live in a plebiscite."

Generally I agree with you but, having got into this mess via a referendum, to avoid a potential democratic deficit, we really need to reverse the decision via a referendum.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"Darting off to catch up on the news.....

Think he’s saying that when the vote took place no one (not even the politicians) knew what ‘out’ meant. Now the deal is on the table, and what it will realistically mean, the country should be given a chance to say “yes I still want out” or “That’s not what I voted for”... which I believe is a sensible approach The only reason we can't get out the way we wanted too is because the EU is holding all the cards and making it virtually impossible too leave. One of the reasons we wanted to leave in the first place . We have been bullied by the EU for years and now we still are "

Nothing to do with standing by what we freely agreed to with regard to Northern Ireland and the Good Friday Agreement then?

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

Nothing to do with standing by what we freely agreed to with regard to Northern Ireland and the Good Friday Agreement then?

Perhaps we should stand by what we originally agreed when we joined the EEC instead of where we are heading for now a united states of europe. NI is just being used as a pawn to stop us leaving those doing it should be ashamed

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"All major company directors. Leader of the bank

More than half the population all want to stay

Big banks and business moving to Europe

Dyson who wants brexit opens a factory in the far East

Yes but we will have blue passports

When I see in the news of factories closing in vote leave areas or Cornwall crying because of funding cuts I can't help but smile.

Why vote for something that will cost us all money.

You forgot the farmers, most of who voted out, dunno where they expected their subsidies to come from after Brexit?

Funny that....maybe because the EU is screwing them over...

No, the funny thing is it’s the EU paying their subsidies

NO its not its UK money paid into the EU that comes back to the UK to pay the subs, christ and they say leave voters arent bright

It amuses me that 99.9% of aggressive, antagonistic, rude comments tend to come from ‘leave’ voters

Do you seriously believe that what the UK pays into the EU even remotely covers what we get back in various subsidies?

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

It amuses me that 99.9% of aggressive, antagonistic, rude comments tend to come from ‘leave’ voters

Do you seriously believe that what the UK pays into the EU even remotely covers what we get back in various subsidies?

Doh! Even rabid remainers accept we pay over 180 million per WEEK more than we get back do you know how much uk ag subs are per year in total ?

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By *oi_LucyCouple over a year ago

Barbados

"All major company directors. Leader of the bank

More than half the population all want to stay

Big banks and business moving to Europe

Dyson who wants brexit opens a factory in the far East

Yes but we will have blue passports

When I see in the news of factories closing in vote leave areas or Cornwall crying because of funding cuts I can't help but smile.

Why vote for something that will cost us all money.

You forgot the farmers, most of who voted out, dunno where they expected their subsidies to come from after Brexit?

Funny that....maybe because the EU is screwing them over...

No, the funny thing is it’s the EU paying their subsidies

NO its not its UK money paid into the EU that comes back to the UK to pay the subs, christ and they say leave voters arent bright

It amuses me that 99.9% of aggressive, antagonistic, rude comments tend to come from ‘leave’ voters

Do you seriously believe that what the UK pays into the EU even remotely covers what we get back in various subsidies?

Or services, or goodwill, or cultural enrichment, or convenience, or reduction in red tape, or...

Some leavers seem to think if they go into a pub and buy a beer for £4 and get ‘only’ given £6 back in change from their tenner that they are being swindled.

-Matt

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"Dropping like flies.

So good to see the collapse of the Tory government

The tide has turned and people now know we are far better staying in the e.u.

Why can't the Tories accept people don't want brexit anymore Are you speaking for the 52 million who said they did want brexit ?

It was 17 million. Let's keep it factual. Plus the 17 million who voted didn't know what it would entail. Nor did the government it would appear

I knew exactly what it would entail...the ballot paper said leave or remain....hardly rocket science is it?"

You're right, it's not rocket science. Seems like it's way more complicated than that. May's deal is leaving the EU but it seems it's not the leave you wanted. You have no idea what sort of Leave other Leave voters voted for.

Just bear this in mind; it was Remain supporters that thought for whatever deal May came back with it would have to be passed by a meaningful vote in Parliament before it could be implemented. If it hadn't been for them, fighting for real control and sovereignty for the UK Parliament, the deal you see now would be the deal we would be getting, with no further say at all.

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By *athy1Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

General election looks odds on now

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

Nothing to do with standing by what we freely agreed to with regard to Northern Ireland and the Good Friday Agreement then?

So what's your solution to the Irish border then?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"General election looks odds on now"

A GE now would shatter the anti-BREXIT alliance. There are too many other issues that would come into play.

We need to use the weight of Scottish and Welsh Nationalist, Greens, LibDems, most of the Labour party and a minority but still large part of the Conservative party to stop BREXIT and stop it now. After that we can have a GE on the other issues (with BREXIT lost, and with it a total political humiliation for the government, how well do you think the party in government will do?)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Dropping like flies.

So good to see the collapse of the Tory government

The tide has turned and people now know we are far better staying in the e.u.

Why can't the Tories accept people don't want brexit anymore Are you speaking for the 52 million who said they did want brexit ?

Or the 52 million that still wouldn’t be getting the brexit they wanted even if it goes though?

52%, not 52 million.

It was 17.4 million who voted for Brexit, and I was one of them - and I would again so no, I haven't changed my mind."

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

Nothing to do with standing by what we freely agreed to with regard to Northern Ireland and the Good Friday Agreement then?

So what's your solution to the Irish border then?"

We put one in just the same as there would be between any other two countries, we then give the citizens of NI a vote on what THEY want to do, stay in the uk or join in a united Ireland, if of course eire agrees to them uniting.

You just cant have the threat of a few nut jobs going back to violence to disrail a uk democratic decision. Perhaps another way would be to have a whole ireland passport that would allow all irish citizens to cross back and forth without checks, lots of citizens of that island can have two passports now, there is always an answer to any question IF you want to find it at the moment the GFA is just an excuse to try and stop us leaving, most agreements change and evolve in time as circumstances change this is no different. I note you havent disagreed that our original entry into the EEC is nothing like we have now let alone where we are headed including the EU army that so many remainers have long denied was an aim, again lets have a eu wide vote, super state or non political trading block and be done with it

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

Nothing to do with standing by what we freely agreed to with regard to Northern Ireland and the Good Friday Agreement then?

So what's your solution to the Irish border then?

Leaving the EU (the controlling body) and staying in the Single Market and CU is “going back” to the EEC.

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

"General election looks odds on now

A GE now would shatter the anti-BREXIT alliance. There are too many other issues that would come into play.

UKIP under NF would win a huge majority if that happened, you just cant have 600 odd MP's overturning a democratic decision, whether that result is right or wrong matters not the politicians were responsible for the campaigns and both sides did what politicians do, they must be the ones who take responsibility and make the result work

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Nothing to do with standing by what we freely agreed to with regard to Northern Ireland and the Good Friday Agreement then?

So what's your solution to the Irish border then?"

Exactly, all this hissy fitting, screaming and shouting tantrums about we should just leave leave leave.... they either ignore the whole NI issue or point to the ERG's unworkable so called solution.

People need to grow up, educate themselves and realise how the fucking world works.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Nothing to do with standing by what we freely agreed to with regard to Northern Ireland and the Good Friday Agreement then?

So what's your solution to the Irish border then?

Ahh, so there is the solution, break the Good Friday Agreement bring back the hard borders, tell the poor fuckers who have to operate the borders "sorry, some nut jobs are probably gonna kill you but hey it's a democratic decision, suck it up"

Nice, let's do this BREXIT then

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By *aid backMan over a year ago

by a lake with my rod out

Are you saying you'd leave the British army if they are to join a European army? Because the European army might be used incorrectly? As a opposed to the British army who go to war over oil in recent times and historically have committed atrocities all over the world?? Jesus thank god irony isn't a crime or you'd be locked up.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

Nothing to do with standing by what we freely agreed to with regard to Northern Ireland and the Good Friday Agreement then?

So what's your solution to the Irish border then?

I didn't rise to your point about the EEC we joined being nothing like the EU we're in because it's not really relevant to the Irish border. However it's also total rubbish. All the issues with regards to sovereignty were raised and discussed and debated in Parliament prior to our entry in 1973 and again in 1975. You can even YouTube some of the referendum debates with Tony Benn, Barbara Castle, Peter Shaw, Enoch Powell and others, all of whom raised all the same issue on sovereignty, control, democracy and National security. They were all wrong then and BREXIT and you are all wrong now.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Dropping like flies.

So good to see the collapse of the Tory government

The tide has turned and people now know we are far better staying in the e.u.

Why can't the Tories accept people don't want brexit anymore

Are you speaking for the 52 million who said they did want brexit ?

Apparently they've all changed their mind.

This one ain't "

None of us have, it’s just red/liberal propaganda!

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Dropping like flies.

So good to see the collapse of the Tory government

The tide has turned and people now know we are far better staying in the e.u.

Your in la la land on a diet of delusion if you think it would have been any different had any dissenting voices from those who voted to remain not been aired..

It is what it is and that's the reality regardless..

It was them lot who moaned is a poor attempt at deflection and a total cop out..

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By *bsolutebeginnersCouple over a year ago

Planet Ork

They should never have let us vote on something as important as this. Surely the Boaty Mcboatface fiasco was a big enough clue to not trust the public.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm amazed that some MP's are falling on their swords.

They have determined in their opinion that the Brexit Deal falls short of what either they or the people that elected them expected.

Applying the "No deal is better than a bad deal" scenario, Europe is determined to make the process as painful as possible to ensure that any other countries looking at leaving think twice about it.

Europe could, if they wanted to, wave us on our way on amicable terms. However we will be punished no matter what.

In what way could they wave us on our way on amicable terms - please explain? Thank you.

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By *oi_LucyCouple over a year ago

Barbados

"They should never have let us vote on something as important as this. Surely the Boaty Mcboatface fiasco was a big enough clue to not trust the public.

So true. At least with that they took it as advice, not gospel. Unlike how our government took our advisory referendum.

-Matt

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By *oi_LucyCouple over a year ago

Barbados

"Dropping like flies.

So good to see the collapse of the Tory government

The tide has turned and people now know we are far better staying in the e.u.

Why can't the Tories accept people don't want brexit anymore

Are you speaking for the 52 million who said they did want brexit ?

Apparently they've all changed their mind.

This one ain't

None of us have, it’s just red/liberal propaganda!"

Lol. You are so out of touch with reality it is quite worrying.

-Matt

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"General election looks odds on now

A GE now would shatter the anti-BREXIT alliance. There are too many other issues that would come into play.

Yes I agree - but if it doesn't work what then?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"General election looks odds on now

A GE now would shatter the anti-BREXIT alliance. There are too many other issues that would come into play.

Sorry if I understand what you are saying correctly you think that UKIP under NF would win a huge majority at the next elections? Fuck me there goes another pink elephant flying behind the cloud with the silver lining! Back to your colouring in books methinks!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Dropping like flies.

So good to see the collapse of the Tory government

The tide has turned and people now know we are far better staying in the e.u.

Why can't the Tories accept people don't want brexit anymore

Are you speaking for the 52 million who said they did want brexit ?

Apparently they've all changed their mind.

This one ain't

None of us have, it’s just red/liberal propaganda!"

Indeed, this is my point, people voted to flush the country down the toilet once. They’ll do it again.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"No they should support a second referendum because the brexit promised in the first was always impossible, and now 'the deal' has proven that.

They were lied to repeatedly, and are still being lied to by the Rees-Mogg's and Arron Banks' of this world. Then that makes it 1 .1 . Do we then have a tie breaker 3rd referendum?

We've already had two. The first one Remain won by 67%. The second one Leave won by 52%. So one more would give us best of 3.

We had to wait 40 years between the first and the second. So to be fair a 3rd referendum shouldn't happen for another 40 years.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No they should support a second referendum because the brexit promised in the first was always impossible, and now 'the deal' has proven that.

They were lied to repeatedly, and are still being lied to by the Rees-Mogg's and Arron Banks' of this world. Then that makes it 1 .1 . Do we then have a tie breaker 3rd referendum?

We've already had two. The first one Remain won by 67%. The second one Leave won by 52%. So one more would give us best of 3.

We had to wait 40 years between the first and the second. So to be fair a 3rd referendum shouldn't happen for another 40 years. "

40 years is a false figure!

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By *laytimenowMan over a year ago

Essex

The Tory Meltdown is just to comical.

They havent played at proper politics since churchill finished as leader during WW2 .

Its wonderfull seeing them in full panic mode.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan over a year ago

salisbury

From the ashes will rise something far worse.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The Tory Meltdown is just to comical.

They havent played at proper politics since churchill finished as leader during WW2 .

Its wonderfull seeing them in full panic mode.

I’d agree if it wasn’t so serious an issue. The problem is that if they reject the deal & get rid of May, if someone like RM steps up it will mean a ‘no deal exit’ and that will destroy the Country. The even more annoying part of this scenario is that we all know those responsible in government will piss off to foreign shores as soon as they see the signs, after making sure their millions are safe and untouchable.... and sod the plebs left here to clean up the mess!!

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

Nothing to do with standing by what we freely agreed to with regard to Northern Ireland and the Good Friday Agreement then?

So what's your solution to the Irish border then?

What you mean the desire to create a single state and remove power from national governments and their citizens was wrong ???????????

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan over a year ago

Kent

"From the ashes will rise something far worse. "

The new Doctor Who?

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

Nice, let's do this BREXIT then

Have you forgotten the outrage( rightly) when Jo Cox was killed, how many remainers used her death as a political point and said we mustnt let a few nutters determine our future and destroy the democratic process, yet now we have remainers trying to say the threat of a few nut jobs using violence as a reason to frustrate that democratic process we have been through, not only is it double standards its an insult to her memory as a person who believed in free debate and a democratic decision, you should be ashamed

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

"General election looks odds on now

A GE now would shatter the anti-BREXIT alliance. There are too many other issues that would come into play.

We had the referendum in the first place because DC was afraid that ukip would gain a lot of seats, dont you remember who won the last EU elections in the UK? Their are millions of voters who want the vote respected and if the main parties were to campaign to over turn that vote they would turn to the party that would uphold their vote, Im not saying that ukip would be a good government. On other forums I use and among my friends there is a sizable number that would now vote leave due to the way the politicans and EU have behaved since the vote

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By *G LanaTV/TS over a year ago

Gosport

"Dropping like flies.

So good to see the collapse of the Tory government

The tide has turned and people now know we are far better staying in the e.u.

Why can't the Tories accept people don't want brexit anymore Are you speaking for the 52 million who said they did want brexit ?

It was 17 million. Let's keep it factual. Plus the 17 million who voted didn't know what it would entail. Nor did the government it would appear

All 17 million didnt know

But the whole 17 million don't need to have changed thier minds. The difference between leave and remain was only 1,269,501 even ignoring the demographic changes over the last couple of years then 634,751 leavers changing their minds would be sufficient to remove the mandate (assuming no remainers have switched to leave).

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Dropping like flies.

So good to see the collapse of the Tory government

The tide has turned and people now know we are far better staying in the e.u.

Why can't the Tories accept people don't want brexit anymore Are you speaking for the 52 million who said they did want brexit ?

It was 17 million. Let's keep it factual. Plus the 17 million who voted didn't know what it would entail. Nor did the government it would appear

All 17 million didnt know

Remainers have switched to Leave though, and have said so on here on other threads.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Nothing to do with standing by what we freely agreed to with regard to Northern Ireland and the Good Friday Agreement then?

So what's your solution to the Irish border then?

Exactly, all this hissy fitting, screaming and shouting tantrums about we should just leave leave leave.... they either ignore the whole NI issue or point to the ERG's unworkable so called solution.

People need to grow up, educate themselves and realise how the fucking world works."

You are in essence saying we must remain tied to the EU because it's just too difficult to get out of. That's it, no chance, just give up... Thank God you weren't around when ww2 started "nah lads this war will be really hard, we can't do it, best let Hitler have his way"...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Nothing to do with standing by what we freely agreed to with regard to Northern Ireland and the Good Friday Agreement then?

So what's your solution to the Irish border then?

Exactly, all this hissy fitting, screaming and shouting tantrums about we should just leave leave leave.... they either ignore the whole NI issue or point to the ERG's unworkable so called solution.

People need to grow up, educate themselves and realise how the fucking world works.

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By *rench letterCouple over a year ago

Chorley,

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By *rench letterCouple over a year ago

Chorley,

"Dropping like flies.

So good to see the collapse of the Tory government

The tide has turned and people now know we are far better staying in the e.u.

Why can't the Tories accept people don't want brexit anymore Are you speaking for the 52 million who said they did want brexit ?

It was 17 million. Let's keep it factual. Plus the 17 million who voted didn't know what it would entail. Nor did the government it would appear

All 17 million didnt know

Remainers have switched to Leave though, and have said so on here on other threads. "

Bollocks you talk some crap did you not watch channel the other week.

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

"Dropping like flies.

So good to see the collapse of the Tory government

The tide has turned and people now know we are far better staying in the e.u.

Why can't the Tories accept people don't want brexit anymore Are you speaking for the 52 million who said they did want brexit ?

It was 17 million. Let's keep it factual. Plus the 17 million who voted didn't know what it would entail. Nor did the government it would appear

All 17 million didnt know

Remainers have switched to Leave though, and have said so on here on other threads.

Bollocks you talk some crap did you not watch channel the other week. "

So you believe something you see on a telly programme ? Bet you believe everything the mail and express print aswell

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By *G LanaTV/TS over a year ago

Gosport

"Dropping like flies.

So good to see the collapse of the Tory government

The tide has turned and people now know we are far better staying in the e.u.

Why can't the Tories accept people don't want brexit anymore Are you speaking for the 52 million who said they did want brexit ?

It was 17 million. Let's keep it factual. Plus the 17 million who voted didn't know what it would entail. Nor did the government it would appear

All 17 million didnt know

Remainers have switched to Leave though, and have said so on here on other threads. "

Yes I was trying to simplify things a little bit as talking about 17M needing to change their minds was ridiculous. The 634,751 is the net shift towards remain needed to remove the mandate. Of course this also ignores issues such as the ratio of leave and remain voters who have died in the interim period and the opinions of those who have reached voting age since the referendum.

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By *rench letterCouple over a year ago

Chorley,

"Dropping like flies.

So good to see the collapse of the Tory government

The tide has turned and people now know we are far better staying in the e.u.

Why can't the Tories accept people don't want brexit anymore Are you speaking for the 52 million who said they did want brexit ?

It was 17 million. Let's keep it factual. Plus the 17 million who voted didn't know what it would entail. Nor did the government it would appear

All 17 million didnt know

Remainers have switched to Leave though, and have said so on here on other threads.

Bollocks you talk some crap did you not watch channel the other week.

So you believe something you see on a telly programme ? Bet you believe everything the mail and express print aswell"

Well you believe Brexit will be good for the country you are living in cloud cuckoo land.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Dropping like flies.

So good to see the collapse of the Tory government

The tide has turned and people now know we are far better staying in the e.u.

Why can't the Tories accept people don't want brexit anymore Are you speaking for the 52 million who said they did want brexit ?

It was 17 million. Let's keep it factual. Plus the 17 million who voted didn't know what it would entail. Nor did the government it would appear

All 17 million didnt know

Remainers have switched to Leave though, and have said so on here on other threads.

Bollocks you talk some crap did you not watch channel the other week. "

Ask JimiUk on here then how he voted last time and how he intends to vote if there is another referendum.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Dropping like flies.

So good to see the collapse of the Tory government

The tide has turned and people now know we are far better staying in the e.u.

Why can't the Tories accept people don't want brexit anymore Are you speaking for the 52 million who said they did want brexit ?

It was 17 million. Let's keep it factual. Plus the 17 million who voted didn't know what it would entail. Nor did the government it would appear

All 17 million didnt know

Remainers have switched to Leave though, and have said so on here on other threads.

It also ignores voter turnout. Anecdotally, those who tend to vote least, voted leave. If they choose not to vote this time, you don’t even need people swapping sides.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Dropping like flies.

So good to see the collapse of the Tory government

The tide has turned and people now know we are far better staying in the e.u.

Why can't the Tories accept people don't want brexit anymore Are you speaking for the 52 million who said they did want brexit ?

It was 17 million. Let's keep it factual. Plus the 17 million who voted didn't know what it would entail. Nor did the government it would appear

All 17 million didnt know

Remainers have switched to Leave though, and have said so on here on other threads.

It also ignores voter turnout. Anecdotally, those who tend to vote least, voted leave. If they choose not to vote this time, you don’t even need people swapping sides. "

If there is another vote I'd say 17 million people are going to be very pissed off that their vote was ignored last time and they weren't listened to. Voter turnout amongst leave voters will be extremely high for this reason.

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By *G LanaTV/TS over a year ago

Gosport

"Bollocks you talk some crap did you not watch channel the other week. "

I presume you mean "Brexit: What the Nation Really talking about"

For those that missed it https://www.channel4.com/news/major-new-brexit-poll-shows-voters-swinging-towards-remain talks aboit the survey.

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By *rench letterCouple over a year ago

Chorley,

There woukd be a lot of young voters who did not vote last time. That Would vote as these who the ones I feel sorry for in the future.

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

So you believe something you see on a telly programme ? Bet you believe everything the mail and express print aswell

Well you believe Brexit will be good for the country you are living in cloud cuckoo land. "

From that reply I take it you dont believe everything they print but believed that telly prog, believing what you want to is an easy trap to fall into to, we have all done it in the past.

As for why I voted leave its because I dont want to live in a united states of europe,not because I think the uk is all great but because I sincerely believe it could never work, we have been hoodwinked by several PM's into this point, how many times has the EU army been denied etc etc and yet now its out in the open, millions of eu citizens are unhappy with whats going on yet the elite arent listening and push on to their goal, are there some disadvantages to leaving yes of course but IMVHO they are less than where the EU is heading

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By *rench letterCouple over a year ago

Chorley,

Well I don't believe what's in the papers never read them.

But I know staying in the EU has done us no harm, and free movement as been good for the country ie NHS and businesses. I often go to France and it is a far better country than ours prospering a lot more than we are no few moved there and would never come back here.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

There was a referendum that reflected an ill-informed UK citizenships' perspective at a snapshop point in time. Since that past point, at huge cost to the whole of the UK population - currently £500 million per WEEK, progress has reached a point that gives an exact picture of what the short and longer-term future deal would hold.

As such, we've gone from a point where vague promises of unicorns and lies told in the past - 2016 - as well as some definite lies, (£350 million per week saved to spend on the NHS), to a position where the citizens can and should now take an informed decision about whether this cluster-f%ck government's deal is worth rejecting, to stay within the EU instead.

It's wholly reasonable that a project kickstarted by citizens' opinion polling via a referendum should be concluded by a poll to show the exact requirements of the population in 2018. It's a continuation of the sovereignty of the UK people and their representatives in parliament, who should implement their directive.

It's clear that this government is in tatters, their leader not supported and their future plans for you and I as clear as mud.

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By *rench letterCouple over a year ago

Chorley,

"There was a referendum that reflected an ill-informed UK citizenships' perspective at a snapshop point in time. Since that past point, at huge cost to the whole of the UK population - currently £500 million per WEEK, progress has reached a point that gives an exact picture of what the short and longer-term future deal would hold.

It's clear that this government is in tatters, their leader not supported and their future plans for you and I as clear as mud."

WELL Said.

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

It's clear that this government is in tatters, their leader not supported and their future plans for you and I as clear as mud."

Can you quote where you have got this £500 million a week from, you know as facts not some made up scare story?

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Well I don't believe what's in the papers never read them.

If France is prospering so much more than us why are France's youth unemployment figures and overall unemployment figures much higher than ours. What you say doesn't tally with reality when taking a look at the hard data.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Well I don't believe what's in the papers never read them.

Youth unemployment rate in France is currently 20.4%

Youth unemployment rate in the UK is currently around half at 11.5%

Overall unemployment rate in France is 9.3%

Overall unemployment rate in the UK is currently 4%

Figures from Office for National Statistics.

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By *tace 309TV/TS over a year ago

durham

"There woukd be a lot of young voters who did not vote last time. That Would vote as these who the ones I feel sorry for in the future. "
they couldn't be bothered the first time .that says a lot . get a grip

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" I often go to France and it is a far better country than ours prospering a lot more than we are no few moved there and would never come back here. "

With you there 100%. As soon as I’ve completed my renovation there I’m off over there permanently, it’s a far superior lifestyle with much better produce, choice and value for money.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

Nice, let's do this BREXIT then

What we're actually saying is is that we made am agreement (the GFA) to achieve peace in Northern Ireland, part of that agreement was that we would not have a visible, manned border on the island of Ireland, and we (the UK) should stick by a word.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

It's clear that this government is in tatters, their leader not supported and their future plans for you and I as clear as mud.

Can you quote where you have got this £500 million a week from, you know as facts not some made up scare story?"

Here's a Reuter's notification of that figure (should be fine for mods, as a recognised news establishment) https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-economy/brexit-has-cost-britain-500-million-pounds-a-week-study-says-idUKKCN1MA0DU

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

Circumstances have now changed so the agreement needs to be adapted, if there is a will to do it then it can be, no reason why free movement of the inhabitants needs to stop or be checked, what would be so wrong as having say a sticker on a car so it wouldnt be stopped at the border etc,with tech its all possible, the details can be worked out its just an excuse to stop brexit, we all know it

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"Dropping like flies.

So good to see the collapse of the Tory government

The tide has turned and people now know we are far better staying in the e.u.

Why can't the Tories accept people don't want brexit anymore Are you speaking for the 52 million who said they did want brexit ?

It was 17 million. Let's keep it factual. Plus the 17 million who voted didn't know what it would entail. Nor did the government it would appear

All 17 million didnt know

Remainers have switched to Leave though, and have said so on here on other threads.

It also ignores voter turnout. Anecdotally, those who tend to vote least, voted leave. If they choose not to vote this time, you don’t even need people swapping sides.

It will also be extremely high amongst remain as the last time many thought remain would win and didn't bother to vote. That won't happen again.

But if you're so sure leave would win again why are you so opposed to putting it to test?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

"There woukd be a lot of young voters who did not vote last time. That Would vote as these who the ones I feel sorry for in the future. they couldn't be bothered the first time .that says a lot . get a grip "

That old vote was some time in the past, when those younger people would have been ineligible to vote. They and the rest of eligible population, would now be in a position to see the realities of what the current deal options will mean, for the rest of their lives. Younger people obviously have more of their future ahead, then those of us who are more advanced in our years.

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By *laytimenowMan over a year ago

Essex

"The Tory Meltdown is just to comical.

They havent played at proper politics since churchill finished as leader during WW2 .

Its wonderfull seeing them in full panic mode.

Whats the serious issue ?

Seriously ?

That was 40 years ago & the reason why GB joind the EEC.

Look how well French, German & Italian cars have sold around the world since the formation around the world.

Now look at the British car industry.

BL gone

Austin gone

Triumph gone

Etc

Rolls Royce foreign owned

Jaguar " "

Mini " ".

Lets not start on steel coal or any other heavy industry.

Consecutive British Governments failed to invest in the infrastructure of this country

leading to complete & utter breakdown & failure.

Pulling out of brexit or staying with brexit is rather irrelevant unless the people of this country start to take there politics seriously every local or General Election instead of choosing red or blue because i save tax or i dont like the wealthy.

Those 2 groups at least have a view, the apathy of those in the middle is what brings it all down

Investment everywhere for everyone regardless of politics colour creed or nationality

If you are here take it seriously always.

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

It's clear that this government is in tatters, their leader not supported and their future plans for you and I as clear as mud.

Can you quote where you have got this £500 million a week from, you know as facts not some made up scare story?

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By *rench letterCouple over a year ago

Chorley,

" I often go to France and it is a far better country than ours prospering a lot more than we are no few moved there and would never come back here.

With you there 100%. As soon as I’ve completed my renovation there I’m off over there permanently, it’s a far superior lifestyle with much better produce, choice and value for money."

Don't blame you.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

It's easy for people such as ourselves who might only be indirectly affected by border changes, to push for changes that directly affect others, to get what we may want etc. Where it would reasonably be likely to mean that people could lose their lives due to our decisions, then it's as reasonable to suppose that it's not for us to impose and implement such catastrophic alterations to their homelands. When the troubles were at their height, mainland UK also suffered the indirect consequences of such atrocities due to the troubles and UK power there - killings at UK train stations, shopping centres, pubs, etc. Even with such indirect murders in England, alongside the troubles in Northern Ireland, it's still not appropriate imo, for those living outside of NI to impose any solutions that we think that they should endure.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

It's clear that this government is in tatters, their leader not supported and their future plans for you and I as clear as mud.

Can you quote where you have got this £500 million a week from, you know as facts not some made up scare story?

You'll have to look for these same facts yourselves then, if you're seeking financial clarity. Hint - those figures are likely to be far more accurate than the promoted £350 million per week saved to be spent instead on the NHS.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Nothing to do with standing by what we freely agreed to with regard to Northern Ireland and the Good Friday Agreement then?

So what's your solution to the Irish border then?

Exactly, all this hissy fitting, screaming and shouting tantrums about we should just leave leave leave.... they either ignore the whole NI issue or point to the ERG's unworkable so called solution.

People need to grow up, educate themselves and realise how the fucking world works.

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By *abrielle247Couple (FF) over a year ago

PDI Gran Canaria

There is a new Tory anthem, pretty vacant by the sex pistols shortly followed by anarchy in the Uk.

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By *avidnsa69Man over a year ago

Essex

"Darting off to catch up on the news.....

Think he’s saying that when the vote took place no one (not even the politicians) knew what ‘out’ meant. Now the deal is on the table, and what it will realistically mean, the country should be given a chance to say “yes I still want out” or “That’s not what I voted for”... which I believe is a sensible approach The only reason we can't get out the way we wanted too is because the EU is holding all the cards and making it virtually impossible too leave. One of the reasons we wanted to leave in the first place . We have been bullied by the EU for years and now we still are "

We are being bullied? What absolute rubbish. We want our cake and eat it too and are being told no. That's not bullying, it's the EU applying common sense

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By *avidnsa69Man over a year ago

Essex

"Dropping like flies.

So good to see the collapse of the Tory government

The tide has turned and people now know we are far better staying in the e.u.

Why can't the Tories accept people don't want brexit anymore

Are you speaking for the 52 million who said they did want brexit ?

Apparently they've all changed their mind.

This one ain't

None of us have, it’s just red/liberal propaganda!"

When I read utter tosh like this i despair....effectively youre saying it's fake news which makes you delusional at best

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By *avidnsa69Man over a year ago

Essex

We are not the only party to the GFA. Are you suggesting we unilaterally tear it up? That'll work beautifully wont it?

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By *illwill69uMan over a year ago

moston

"We are not the only party to the GFA. Are you suggesting we unilaterally tear it up? That'll work beautifully wont it?"

That has already been suggested by at least 3 (BoJo, JRM and Nige the Pension) leading brexiteers, and BoJo's father has said publicly that a few dead paddies is a small price to pay for brexit.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's clear that this government is in tatters, their leader not supported and their future plans for you and I as clear as mud.

Can you quote where you have got this £500 million a week from, you know as facts not some made up scare story?

Sorry but that is a pro eu group that has done a "forecast" of what they think the uk economy "might" have done, not one FACT in it anywhere, strange how osborne said we would have a recession as soon as we voted to leave "
This is true if many “facts”. Fact, our unemployment is better than some. Question, what would it be (and others be) had we no been in the EU? The answer is always unknown. It is very difficult to tell how much being in the EU is a factor for any number.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Nice, let's do this BREXIT then

Bloody hell you're so far up your own arse it's unbelievable.

I never posted anything at all when Jo Cox was murdered so don't start trying to accuse me of double standards just to strengthen your selfish outrageous idea that the Good Friday Agreement should be pissed on just to enable your BREXIT dream.....

If anyone should be ashamed it's you.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Nothing to do with standing by what we freely agreed to with regard to Northern Ireland and the Good Friday Agreement then?

So what's your solution to the Irish border then?

Exactly, all this hissy fitting, screaming and shouting tantrums about we should just leave leave leave.... they either ignore the whole NI issue or point to the ERG's unworkable so called solution.

People need to grow up, educate themselves and realise how the fucking world works.

Another stupid comparison.

Look, as I've said many times, we should leave the EU because people voted for it, BUT we can't until a proper solution to Northern Ireland is found, and at this time there isn't a credible way of doing so.

It's not my fault people were promised something that as it stands cannot be delivered, unless you simply don't give a fuck about the Good Friday Agreement

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

The Daily Mash, more insightful than The Mail:

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THE UK has told the Conservative party that if it is trying to hold things together for their sake then go ahead and split up.

Britons have promised that they will not be traumatised by the split, that in fact it will be better for their psychological health for the constant arguments to end, and they will not unfairly blame either side.

Tom Logan, from Hitchin, said: “Come on. We might be politically immature, but we can see what’s happening right in front of us.

“Stop dragging it out. The centrists will get custody of the country, because they’ve got the business community and the legal system and everything on their side, but we’ll stay with the hard Brexiters every other weekend.

“I know you’ve been trying to make it work, but it’s been over for a long time now. You’ll still have your memories of how happy you were in the Thatcher years.

“It doesn’t seem like it now, but you could both form other political unions. I know one side’s been making eyes at disaffected Labour centrists, and the other’s up all night talking to young Polish nationalists on social media.”

A Conservative spokesman said: “Britain’s only saying this so it gets two Christmas presents.”

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Nothing to do with standing by what we freely agreed to with regard to Northern Ireland and the Good Friday Agreement then?

So what's your solution to the Irish border then?

Exactly, all this hissy fitting, screaming and shouting tantrums about we should just leave leave leave.... they either ignore the whole NI issue or point to the ERG's unworkable so called solution.

People need to grow up, educate themselves and realise how the fucking world works.

Another stupid comparison.

It's not my fault people were promised something that as it stands cannot be delivered, unless you simply don't give a fuck about the Good Friday Agreement"

100% right. The brexiteers are going to "invent" technology for the Irish border - simple!

Well let's give them a chance - bets are it will be some botched system - typical of large government IT projects - track record exists.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

It's clear that this government is in tatters, their leader not supported and their future plans for you and I as clear as mud.

Can you quote where you have got this £500 million a week from, you know as facts not some made up scare story?

And this is why BREXITERS keep getting everything so wrong. The instant dismissal anything that isn't from a source they completely agree with.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

And this is why BREXITERS keep getting everything so wrong. The instant dismissal anything that isn't from a source they completely agree with."

well brexiteers only listen to Minford, but he states that for it to work the UK would have to go to a low tax low tariff economy which in he own words would decimate the uk manufacturing and agri-food industries.... (that's the bit they never mention) but that seem palatable to them!! so yey...

either that or its "experts.. its all rubbish!!!"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If / when / ever technology can replace the requirements for a hard border in Northern Ireland that's agreeable to all sides then great, there shouldn't be anything left to hamper BREXIT.... but the double standards & self righteousness of certain leave voters opinions on here is very concerning to say the least.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

since we are talking northern ireland.... do you know that question we keep asking which was "how do you stop an EU citizen legally going to the republic of ireland, going north into northern ireland and then going from the north onto the UK mainland?"

and leavers were saying you can!

and those sensible people who were saying that you can't!

well... we have an answer..... guess which one of us was correct!

"Ireland will remain an open door to the UK for EU citizens after Brexit with no mandatory passport checks on those who travel to Britain via Dublin and Belfast, it has been confirmed.

After Brexit, EU citizens not already settled in the UK will be subject to immigration rules but will be able to travel to Britain via Ireland and Northern Ireland uninhibited.

This is because the withdrawal deal states the UK will respect Ireland’s continued membership of the EU and its freedom of movement rules while at the same time keeping the common travel area (CTA), which has allowed British and Irish citizens to move freely between each others’ countries since 1922.

This means EU citizens, who after Brexit will be classified as third-country immigrants in the UK, will be able to travel to Dublin and on to Belfast and take a domestic flight or ferry to Britain without passport checks."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The Daily Mash, more insightful than The Mail:

Get Daily Mash headlines:

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THE UK has told the Conservative party that if it is trying to hold things together for their sake then go ahead and split up.

Tom Logan, from Hitchin, said: “Come on. We might be politically immature, but we can see what’s happening right in front of us.

“I know you’ve been trying to make it work, but it’s been over for a long time now. You’ll still have your memories of how happy you were in the Thatcher years.

A Conservative spokesman said: “Britain’s only saying this so it gets two Christmas presents.”"

I know we are supposed to be a bit wacky down here in Brizzle but try to stay on point bud

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Nice, let's do this BREXIT then

One should be very wary of using an appalling murder carried out by a lonely isolated deranged man as a comparison with an organised terrorist/freedom fighter (viewpoints vary) organisation such as the IRA/UVF etc who used the support of expats or undertook criminal activity to finance their struggles for power. Bringing Jo Cox into the argument like that was a low blow and you should be ashamed of yourself for using cheap red top tactics like that. She was a good person and does not deserve to be made into a martyr for other people’s agendas. Now go back out and play nicely with all the other kiddies on here.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

I gathered from an article yesterday that most EU citizens don't bother with passports - just some form of national ID like a driving licence.

They do not need a passport to enter the UK at the moment, I believe.

I understand you need to show ID to board a ferry or aircraft operating between NI and the UK mainland, in the same way I need to show ID when I turn up at Bristol for a flight to Inverness.

I imagine that is a legal requirement of operating an airline, that you must have verified photographic evidence of who is travelling.

I don't know if the information is shared routinely beyond the airline, e.g. border force.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I gathered from an article yesterday that most EU citizens don't bother with passports - just some form of national ID like a driving licence.

They do not need a passport to enter the UK at the moment, I believe.

I understand you need to show ID to board a ferry or aircraft operating between NI and the UK mainland, in the same way I need to show ID when I turn up at Bristol for a flight to Inverness.

I imagine that is a legal requirement of operating an airline, that you must have verified photographic evidence of who is travelling.

I don't know if the information is shared routinely beyond the airline, e.g. border force.

Quite correct! So why would you "buy" a passport? After brexit the UK will no longer accept the ID card. What sort of impact will this have on UK tourism?

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

I think back to some of those jubilant Brexiteers after the referendum who were predicting contagion across Europe, the collapse of the EU, disunity breaking out everywhere.

Well, i wonder where they are now.

The only country going through a meltdown is the UK - the rest seem utterly united in their determination to carry on without the UK.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think back to some of those jubilant Brexiteers after the referendum who were predicting contagion across Europe, the collapse of the EU, disunity breaking out everywhere.

Well, i wonder where they are now.

The only country going through a meltdown is the UK - the rest seem utterly united in their determination to carry on without the UK.

apart from the mini 'el dulce' and his midarse touch .... as soon as he got his hands on power , absolutely everything in italy has instantly turned to shit

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think back to some of those jubilant Brexiteers after the referendum who were predicting contagion across Europe, the collapse of the EU, disunity breaking out everywhere.

Well, i wonder where they are now.

The only country going through a meltdown is the UK - the rest seem utterly united in their determination to carry on without the UK.

apart from the mini 'el dulce' and his midarse touch .... as soon as he got his hands on power , absolutely everything in italy has instantly turned to shit "

There’s a great book called “the geography of power” which explains very succinctly why for purely physical geographic reasons, along with a bit of fighting, why the world is how it is today and why countries like Greece particularly and southern Italy are such a disaster area economically. The problem we have is that there is a basic misunderstanding about what the EU represents. It is essentially an attempt to build an empire but with the advantages of not being actively at war and of allowing its component countries to retain a certain level of national identity. This has worked well for the past forty or so years but with the recent rise in nationalism across the EU, (that has always been the favoured shortcut to power for some), we are seeing fingers pointed at all the usual easy targets (foreigners, socialists, bureaucrats, etc) along with flag waving historically dubious “facts” paraded as truth to cover up a lack of ability to deal with complex argument. The sad truth of all of this is that the world is a complex place and to maintain a peaceful empire/nation you have to think deeply and take a long term view which requires good leadership and a love of ones country and people which is contrary to the natural human desire to fuck, kill, eat whatever you can and be the alpha of the group. Therein lies our problem - cooperation is unnatural and is only useful while we appear to be benefiting and once enough lies, rumours and half truths are spread around and not defended adequately by those we should be able to trust then shit happens. The most dangerous part of all of this is that people are unable to acknowledge that fake news is now being used (as demonstrated by Potus) as a way of avoiding being intellectually rigourous and honest because it’s too difficult. Interesting times indeed

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think back to some of those jubilant Brexiteers after the referendum who were predicting contagion across Europe, the collapse of the EU, disunity breaking out everywhere.

Well, i wonder where they are now.

The only country going through a meltdown is the UK - the rest seem utterly united in their determination to carry on without the UK.

apart from the mini 'el dulce' and his midarse touch .... as soon as he got his hands on power , absolutely everything in italy has instantly turned to shit

Will have a look at that book

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"I think back to some of those jubilant Brexiteers after the referendum who were predicting contagion across Europe, the collapse of the EU, disunity breaking out everywhere.

Well, i wonder where they are now.

The only country going through a meltdown is the UK - the rest seem utterly united in their determination to carry on without the UK.

Where have you been for the last 12 to 24 months? An anti EU Eurosceptic coalition government has been elected in Italy. Hungary and Poland (and recently Czech has aligned with them too) are becoming ever more at odds with Brussels. Angela Merkel got a bloody nose in the German elections from the anti EU AFD party and spent several weeks trying to cobble together a coalition, she was humiliated and has now said she won't stand again when her term runs out (she knows she's done for in Germany and has thrown the towel in). An anti EU party came up with a shock result in Sweden's elections (has Sweden managed to form a government yet?). GDP Growth in the Eurozone just hit a 4 year low. All this is just the start and the only way for the EU now is down as each passing election will show more unhappiness and dissatisfaction with the Brussels bureaucratic establishment.

If you think the EU are 'united' then you're deluded.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

Clutching.

Straws

If destruction of the EU was so important, why leave it?

You have no control now over anything it does.

Before you did.

The problem is you had no idea how to exercise it, you had no idea how to influence and shape European politics.

Xenophobia writ large.

So instead we retreat to the sidelines and let people like you throw rocks at our neighbours.

Fine, carry on.

Just do not do it in my name.

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By *tingly ByronMan over a year ago

In a town Fab forgot

"No they should support a second referendum because the brexit promised in the first was always impossible, and now 'the deal' has proven that.

They were lied to repeatedly, and are still being lied to by the Rees-Mogg's and Arron Banks' of this world."

What lies were you told about the first referendum?

All I recall was being asked in or out?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

"No they should support a second referendum because the brexit promised in the first was always impossible, and now 'the deal' has proven that.

They were lied to repeatedly, and are still being lied to by the Rees-Mogg's and Arron Banks' of this world.

What lies were you told about the first referendum?

All I recall was being asked in or out?"

Just landed from outer space

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

"I think back to some of those jubilant Brexiteers after the referendum who were predicting contagion across Europe, the collapse of the EU, disunity breaking out everywhere.

Well, i wonder where they are now.

The only country going through a meltdown is the UK - the rest seem utterly united in their determination to carry on without the UK.

If you think the EU are 'united' then you're deluded. "

Do you really get a hard-on about all this European Nationalism that is coming to a head? Man, you need to read up on a bit of history. Europe is on of the most fractiously divided Continents in the world and the concepts of the EU have promoted trade instead of argument. Just try to look beyond your personal ideology and explore the bigger picture.

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

A Europe of independent nation states and militarised borders?

That's a great idea, eh?

Europe looked like that in the 1930s.

It took us from 1939 until 1992 to repair the damage and free everyone from the tyranny that it generated.

And yet there are those who think it is the way forward.

I thought UKIP wanted to take us back to the 1950s. I didn't realise it's actually the 1930s.

The problem with most nationalism is it is unyielding of the patchwork of ethnicity that makes up modern populations the world over.

Ukrainian nationalism stresses Ukraine because it cannot accommodate the clusters of Russian ethnicity.

English nationalism stresses England because it cannot accommodate the 13 per cent of people here who were not born here.

German nationalism in the 1930s tore Austria, Czech Rep and Poland apart in its desire to "repatriate" the minority ethnic Germany populations of those countries.

Modern countries do not exist as homogenous units, but a patchwork of ethnicity and tribal allegiances.

Freedom of movement allows that patchwork of ethnicity to flourish and re-connect (just think of re-unification in Germany).

Nationalism does the opposite and traps people in countries that begin to feel alien to them.

It also results in voluntary and forced deportation of those peoples whose presence becomes perceived increasingly as "pollution".

We saw the extreme manifestation of that in Germany. We see traces of it here in the anti-muslim rhetoric and xenophobia.

Nationalism? No thanks.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"I think back to some of those jubilant Brexiteers after the referendum who were predicting contagion across Europe, the collapse of the EU, disunity breaking out everywhere.

Well, i wonder where they are now.

The only country going through a meltdown is the UK - the rest seem utterly united in their determination to carry on without the UK.

If you think the EU are 'united' then you're deluded.

You really don't get it. It's the undemocratic nature of the EU, the unaccountably of Brussels bureaucrats and the policies of the EU which is fueling the right wing parties rise and Nationalism. The EU absolutely refuses to listen to what the people are telling them and refuses point blank to reform in any meaningful way. The EU in that regard will be the architect of their own downfall.

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By *illwill69uMan over a year ago

moston

"You really don't get it. It's the undemocratic nature of the EU, the unaccountably of Brussels bureaucrats and the policies of the EU which is fueling the right wing parties rise and Nationalism. The EU absolutely refuses to listen to what the people are telling them and refuses point blank to reform in any meaningful way. The EU in that regard will be the architect of their own downfall. "

What tosh!

Brussels bureaucrats are functionaries just like Whitehall, Washington, Moscow or the bureaucrats of any other country or the UN. They implement the policy decisions made by the DEMOCRATICALLY elected representatives of the European Parliament and the the Council of Ministers (who represent the governments of the member states) who are also gain their power through DEMOCRATIC elections.

The fact that you have swallowed the negative propaganda of 30+ years pumped out by the billionaire owners of the press who represent the wealth of billionaire investors and industrialists who see the regulation imposed by the EU as a barrier to making more profit says more about you than the EU.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A Europe of independent nation states and militarised borders?