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No!
And while we are at it prepare for the total breakup of the Union. Because like it or not, if we crash out of the EU without a deal and significantly harm the the Scottish and 6 counties economies then the Tory insistence that brexit is for all of the United Kingdom will be the last thing the English establishment foist on Scotland and N.Ireland. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"No!
And while we are at it prepare for the total breakup of the Union. Because like it or not, if we crash out of the EU without a deal and significantly harm the the Scottish and 6 counties economies then the Tory insistence that brexit is for all of the United Kingdom will be the last thing the English establishment foist on Scotland and N.Ireland. "
Yes, the union is not democratic, so better without it, it is like titanic, lets hope northern ireland could be in the eu somehow, should they seek independece from uk and then to be in the eu full time? |
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"Yes, the union is not democratic, so better without it, it is like titanic, lets hope northern ireland could be in the eu somehow, should they seek independece from uk and then to be in the eu full time?"
To be honest I am ideologically opposed to the breakup of the union and although I supported leaving the EU I am also ideologically opposed to leaving the EU as I believe that mankind's future lies in a single federated world government rather than the anarchy of the multi-government system we have now. After all history shows us that we progress when we combine and regress when we divide. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"No!
And while we are at it prepare for the total breakup of the Union. Because like it or not, if we crash out of the EU without a deal and significantly harm the the Scottish and 6 counties economies then the Tory insistence that brexit is for all of the United Kingdom will be the last thing the English establishment foist on Scotland and N.Ireland. Yes, the union is not democratic, so better without it, it is like titanic, lets hope northern ireland could be in the eu somehow, should they seek independece from uk and then to be in the eu full time?"
Its is democratic northern Ireland is pary of Britain end of a fact |
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"No!
And while we are at it prepare for the total breakup of the Union. Because like it or not, if we crash out of the EU without a deal and significantly harm the the Scottish and 6 counties economies then the Tory insistence that brexit is for all of the United Kingdom will be the last thing the English establishment foist on Scotland and N.Ireland. Yes, the union is not democratic, so better without it, it is like titanic, lets hope northern ireland could be in the eu somehow, should they seek independece from uk and then to be in the eu full time?Its is democratic northern Ireland is pary of Britain end of a fact"
But is the current system working?
Stormont hasn't been functioning for 18+ months so why are they paying salaries to none functioning politicians?
The provence should have the final say on their future - not the politicians. Maybe the people will show the way forward? |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
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"No!
And while we are at it prepare for the total breakup of the Union. Because like it or not, if we crash out of the EU without a deal and significantly harm the the Scottish and 6 counties economies then the Tory insistence that brexit is for all of the United Kingdom will be the last thing the English establishment foist on Scotland and N.Ireland. Yes, the union is not democratic, so better without it, it is like titanic, lets hope northern ireland could be in the eu somehow, should they seek independece from uk and then to be in the eu full time?Its is democratic northern Ireland is pary of Britain end of a fact
But is the current system working?
Stormont hasn't been functioning for 18+ months so why are they paying salaries to none functioning politicians?
The provence should have the final say on their future - not the politicians. Maybe the people will show the way forward? "
seems to me when the people tell politicians what they want i.e brexit they do everything possible to fuck em over.so cant see it being any different foe yhe people of ireland |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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seems to me when the people tell politicians what they want i.e brexit they do everything possible to fuck em over.so cant see it being any different foe yhe people of ireland"
The result of the referendum was a vote in favour of leaving the EU.
Did I miss something, or does the UK's membership of the EU cease on March 29 next year?
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Because of the last near 500 years of English/Irish (alphabetical order) history no time is going to be the right time for reunification. In the same way as no time was ever going to be right for 'home rule' or the formation of the Republic. The question is how disruptive will the transition be and will the Unionists and Orange Orders force another civil war? I hope the disruption will be minimal but I fear a bloody conflict. |
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Reunification will happen,
ha ha seriously no we don't want them either
The only way we in the Republic would take back the six counties would be with vacant position |
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The Unification of Ireland will Happen.
2021 Catholic voting majority in the 6 counties.
The Republic will willingly & openly welcome all
The people of the 6 counties as the EU will throw so much money there, that the Dael cannot afford to refuse it.
The Yanks will flock to a United Ireland to relocate
buisness ventures that will work for everyone.
If the Republic doesnt accept the inevitable,
Then greece will breathe a sigh of relief as the pressure from the most broke most in debt nation in the EU will no longer be them. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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I am now watching the irish prime ministers speech and it feels so sad listening to it, basically he said they voted in but have to respect the desicion and hope for the best of the good friday agreement. |
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"Reunification will happen,
ha ha seriously no we don't want them either
The only way we in the Republic would take back the six counties would be with vacant position "
Why ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Northern Ireland has the highest level of public spending of any region in the UK, new figures have shown.
According to the Office for National Statistics (ONS), an average of £14,020 per head was spent in Northern Ireland
We reject Creationism , we acknowledge a women's rite to choice , we embrace our lgbt Community and foster gay marriage in the South.Can you see he problem now.
Our century old system of Government could successfully administer some sort cash for ash scheme unlike the new kids of the dup..
So can you not see the delta we couldn't afford the sort of mad money the British tax payer lavishes on northern Ireland. secondly the slavish following of the church of England doctrine of homophobia and inherent racism would be at total odds with our broadly accepting multi cultural south of Ireland
However if we could have our six counties back with vacant possession we would be delighted
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" Northern Ireland has the highest level of public spending of any region in the UK, new figures have shown.
According to the Office for National Statistics (ONS), an average of £14,020 per head was spent in Northern Ireland
We reject Creationism , we acknowledge a women's rite to choice , we embrace our lgbt Community and foster gay marriage in the South.Can you see he problem now.
Our century old system of Government could successfully administer some sort cash for ash scheme unlike the new kids of the dup..
So can you not see the delta we couldn't afford the sort of mad money the British tax payer lavishes on northern Ireland. secondly the slavish following of the church of England doctrine of homophobia and inherent racism would be at total odds with our broadly accepting multi cultural south of Ireland
However if we could have our six counties back with vacant possession we would be delighted
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Just for the record; the Protestant community in Northern Ireland are mostly Presbyterian and Dutch Reform. They are not Church of England or even part of the Episcopal Communion and if they were part of tbe Episcopal Communion it would the Church of Ireland.
Also the official line of both the Church of Ireland and the Church of England with regard to LBGTQ rights is far more liberal than official Catholic position.
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"NI independence then  "
Yep! Great. A solution that neither the Unionist or Nationalist community wants.
We really need to stop talking about Northern Ireland independence or reunification with the republic and just address the issue of how do we avoid a hard immigration and customs border on the islands of Ireland while part of Ireland is in the UK and part isn't. There is only one way to achieve that and that is for both parts of Ireland to be in the same customs and immigration area, and the best way to achieve that is for both parts of Ireland to stay within the EU or both parts to leave. If we don't want a customs and immigration border down the Irish Sea between Northern Ireland and Great Britain the only way to achieve that is for both Northern Ireland and Great Britain to be in the same customs and immigration area, which means both staying in the EU or both leaving. If we don't want any borders anywhere in the between Great Britain and Ireland then both Great Britain and Ireland have to be in the EU or both have to leave.
They are the options; all in, all out or borders.
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By *oghunter33Woman
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"NI independence then
Yep! Great. A solution that neither the Unionist or Nationalist community wants.
We really need to stop talking about Northern Ireland independence or reunification with the republic and just address the issue of how do we avoid a hard immigration and customs border on the islands of Ireland while part of Ireland is in the UK and part isn't. There is only one way to achieve that and that is for both parts of Ireland to be in the same customs and immigration area, and the best way to achieve that is for both parts of Ireland to stay within the EU or both parts to leave. If we don't want a customs and immigration border down the Irish Sea between Northern Ireland and Great Britain the only way to achieve that is for both Northern Ireland and Great Britain to be in the same customs and immigration area, which means both staying in the EU or both leaving. If we don't want any borders anywhere in the between Great Britain and Ireland then both Great Britain and Ireland have to be in the EU or both have to leave.
They are the options; all in, all out or borders.
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Don't think Ireland leaving the EU is up for debate. Just alone watching the UK getting tangled up more and more in their homemade Brexit trap certainly won't encourage the Irish to join the UK on its EU departure besides that Ireland is well aware of the outweighing advantages of being an EU member. |
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"NI independence then
Yep! Great. A solution that neither the Unionist or Nationalist community wants.
We really need to stop talking about Northern Ireland independence or reunification with the republic and just address the issue of how do we avoid a hard immigration and customs border on the islands of Ireland while part of Ireland is in the UK and part isn't. There is only one way to achieve that and that is for both parts of Ireland to be in the same customs and immigration area, and the best way to achieve that is for both parts of Ireland to stay within the EU or both parts to leave. If we don't want a customs and immigration border down the Irish Sea between Northern Ireland and Great Britain the only way to achieve that is for both Northern Ireland and Great Britain to be in the same customs and immigration area, which means both staying in the EU or both leaving. If we don't want any borders anywhere in the between Great Britain and Ireland then both Great Britain and Ireland have to be in the EU or both have to leave.
They are the options; all in, all out or borders.
Don't think Ireland leaving the EU is up for debate. Just alone watching the UK getting tangled up more and more in their homemade Brexit trap certainly won't encourage the Irish to join the UK on its EU departure besides that Ireland is well aware of the outweighing advantages of being an EU member. "
I agree. I think it's extremely unlikely that the Republic would choose to leave the EU. I was merely putting forward the only ways to avoid immigration and customs borders anywhere between Great Britain and Ireland without any regard to the desirability, likelihood or plausibility.
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"NI independence then
Yep! Great. A solution that neither the Unionist or Nationalist community wants.
We really need to stop talking about Northern Ireland independence or reunification with the republic and just address the issue of how do we avoid a hard immigration and customs border on the islands of Ireland while part of Ireland is in the UK and part isn't. There is only one way to achieve that and that is for both parts of Ireland to be in the same customs and immigration area, and the best way to achieve that is for both parts of Ireland to stay within the EU or both parts to leave. If we don't want a customs and immigration border down the Irish Sea between Northern Ireland and Great Britain the only way to achieve that is for both Northern Ireland and Great Britain to be in the same customs and immigration area, which means both staying in the EU or both leaving. If we don't want any borders anywhere in the between Great Britain and Ireland then both Great Britain and Ireland have to be in the EU or both have to leave.
They are the options; all in, all out or borders.
Don't think Ireland leaving the EU is up for debate. Just alone watching the UK getting tangled up more and more in their homemade Brexit trap certainly won't encourage the Irish to join the UK on its EU departure besides that Ireland is well aware of the outweighing advantages of being an EU member.
I agree. I think it's extremely unlikely that the Republic would choose to leave the EU. I was merely putting forward the only ways to avoid immigration and customs borders anywhere between Great Britain and Ireland without any regard to the desirability, likelihood or plausibility.
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Actually the Rep of Ireland do more business with the EU 27 than the UK! Who would be stupid enough to throw away more for less? |
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So given the fundamental impossibility of the NI reconciling with the Republic outside of the over arching wing of the EU can anybody tell me what the fuck Brexit was about? I get the little England desire to maintain a certain level of self determination which actually we did have before we decided to leave thanks to Mrs T (I’m not a fanboy by the way) but why on earth has everybody fallen for the likes of Boris and JMR whose agenda is inconsistent to say the least. I have not seen an ounce of future planning in the current posturing and most of what’s passed has stunk of political or financial revenge. Farage lost out on a financial windfall of millions because it was blocked by eu law and has spent years doing his utmost to destroy the EU. Boris is unfathomable but I would feel safer in a shark tank than in his company. JRM is actually more frightening than either of the above because he believes he is right and I am sure given half a chance he would like to return is to the good old days when only landowners were allowed to vote. I do feel slightly sorry for Tresemme as she was handed a festering pile of shit in a bag by that pompous incompetent Cameron with the aid of his chum Osborne - what a pair of donkeys! I am not going to pass any accolades on to Jesus Corbyn because however honest he is (very) he isn’t what you’d call dynamic or inspiring to many of the general public. It’s a fucking disaster for everyone and I am still trying to understand what the gains are. Well I guess we will find out the answer to that on March 29th.  |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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Viewed from Ireland, the Brexit saga provides very strong evidence of the benefits of the EU.
With the strength of the EU behind it, Ireland is able to grip the counties of the North in a way that may not have been possible otherwise.
The UK could bully one small neighbour perhaps. But when 27 are united collectively, it lets countries like Ireland punch above their weight, so to speak.
So Ireland is able to exert a grip on the North that the UK finds virtually impossible to resist, because it becomes intrinsic to the wider EU negotiating position.
The UK used to enjoy that, too - punching above its weight with the collective clout of the EU. Not any more. |
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"NI independence then
Yep! Great. A solution that neither the Unionist or Nationalist community wants.
We really need to stop talking about Northern Ireland independence or reunification with the republic and just address the issue of how do we avoid a hard immigration and customs border on the islands of Ireland while part of Ireland is in the UK and part isn't. There is only one way to achieve that and that is for both parts of Ireland to be in the same customs and immigration area, and the best way to achieve that is for both parts of Ireland to stay within the EU or both parts to leave. If we don't want a customs and immigration border down the Irish Sea between Northern Ireland and Great Britain the only way to achieve that is for both Northern Ireland and Great Britain to be in the same customs and immigration area, which means both staying in the EU or both leaving. If we don't want any borders anywhere in the between Great Britain and Ireland then both Great Britain and Ireland have to be in the EU or both have to leave.
They are the options; all in, all out or borders.
Don't think Ireland leaving the EU is up for debate. Just alone watching the UK getting tangled up more and more in their homemade Brexit trap certainly won't encourage the Irish to join the UK on its EU departure besides that Ireland is well aware of the outweighing advantages of being an EU member.
I agree. I think it's extremely unlikely that the Republic would choose to leave the EU. I was merely putting forward the only ways to avoid immigration and customs borders anywhere between Great Britain and Ireland without any regard to the desirability, likelihood or plausibility.
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Just an example of one of the many issues regarding NI & Brexit is dual citizenship.Under the GFA people born in NI can choose to be British citizens,Irish citizens or both.So if you've dual or Irish citizenship in NI would one be deemed a foreign EU citizen in a UK jurisdiction post Brexit even though one was born in NI? |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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The citizenship arrangement exclusive to Northern Ireland exposes the duplicity of the DUP position that NI must be treated the same as the rest of the UK. On so many levels, it already is not. |
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"NI independence then
Yep! Great. A solution that neither the Unionist or Nationalist community wants.
We really need to stop talking about Northern Ireland independence or reunification with the republic and just address the issue of how do we avoid a hard immigration and customs border on the islands of Ireland while part of Ireland is in the UK and part isn't. There is only one way to achieve that and that is for both parts of Ireland to be in the same customs and immigration area, and the best way to achieve that is for both parts of Ireland to stay within the EU or both parts to leave. If we don't want a customs and immigration border down the Irish Sea between Northern Ireland and Great Britain the only way to achieve that is for both Northern Ireland and Great Britain to be in the same customs and immigration area, which means both staying in the EU or both leaving. If we don't want any borders anywhere in the between Great Britain and Ireland then both Great Britain and Ireland have to be in the EU or both have to leave.
They are the options; all in, all out or borders.
Don't think Ireland leaving the EU is up for debate. Just alone watching the UK getting tangled up more and more in their homemade Brexit trap certainly won't encourage the Irish to join the UK on its EU departure besides that Ireland is well aware of the outweighing advantages of being an EU member.
I agree. I think it's extremely unlikely that the Republic would choose to leave the EU. I was merely putting forward the only ways to avoid immigration and customs borders anywhere between Great Britain and Ireland without any regard to the desirability, likelihood or plausibility.
Just an example of one of the many issues regarding NI & Brexit is dual citizenship.Under the GFA people born in NI can choose to be British citizens,Irish citizens or both.So if you've dual or Irish citizenship in NI would one be deemed a foreign EU citizen in a UK jurisdiction post Brexit even though one was born in NI?"
The common travel area, that's existed since the formation of Northern Ireland and The Irish Free State, will still be in effect. This ensures that British nationals in the Ireland and Irish nationals in the UK have rights similar to nationals in each others country.
There maybe a few problems to sort out as previously the UK and Ireland have coordinated their respective immigration policies but, in essence, the Common Travel Area still applies.
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"Who else is in the support of a breakup in the union with northern ireland and ireland leading the way?"
Definitely not. For me one
of the big things about being part of the EU is that it was helping to heal the divide between the two main islands that make up theses Isles.
Regardless of BREXIT we need to look at the Union and how it works but further break up, especially further economic break up, will simply make everyone poorer. I believe that the future of all the peoples who live is these Isles is best served when we cooperate together. The closer that cooperation, within fair and democratic structures, the better we all are.
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