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over a year ago
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"I think it's the best of a bad bunch.Just imagine the shit we would be in if Labour had been in the last few years."
I agree, if they had been in power we wouldn't have even got this far. Sadly i don't think this goverment is either strong or stable at a time when we need it to be the most. |
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By *tirluvMan
over a year ago
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"I think it's the best of a bad bunch.Just imagine the shit we would be in if Labour had been in the last few years."
Yes justimagine - no unecessay cuts to essential services, policing or NHS, no abortive austerity program, no brexit vote on a binary decision, no people forced into poverty because of changes in their benefits system, no disabled people oealised by the beroom tax -oh my how awful that would be |
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"I think it's the best of a bad bunch.Just imagine the shit we would be in if Labour had been in the last few years.
Yes justimagine - no unecessay cuts to essential services, policing or NHS, no abortive austerity program, no brexit vote on a binary decision, no people forced into poverty because of changes in their benefits system, no disabled people oealised by the beroom tax -oh my how awful that would be"
Its just a cycle unfortunately Labour spend money that isn't there and get the country in the shit.Then they lose an election to the conservatives who get the country back on the track then they lose an election......... |
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"I think it's the best of a bad bunch.Just imagine the shit we would be in if Labour had been in the last few years.
Yes justimagine - no unecessay cuts to essential services, policing or NHS, no abortive austerity program, no brexit vote on a binary decision, no people forced into poverty because of changes in their benefits system, no disabled people oealised by the beroom tax -oh my how awful that would be
Its just a cycle unfortunately Labour spend money that isn't there and get the country in the shit.Then they lose an election to the conservatives who get the country back on the track then they lose an election........."
Back on track? We're in huge amounts of more debt. Their economic model is not sustainable. There is only so much you can squeeze the poor and the more the do so the more it affects the economy as people have less money to spend. Yet the keep giving the rich tax cuts. Therefore their tax income is less and less so they have to make more cuts but without actually saving any money overall. Plus there is a limit to how much they can cut. |
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"I think it's the best of a bad bunch.Just imagine the shit we would be in if Labour had been in the last few years.
Yes justimagine - no unecessay cuts to essential services, policing or NHS, no abortive austerity program, no brexit vote on a binary decision, no people forced into poverty because of changes in their benefits system, no disabled people oealised by the beroom tax -oh my how awful that would be
Its just a cycle unfortunately Labour spend money that isn't there and get the country in the shit.Then they lose an election to the conservatives who get the country back on the track then they lose an election.........
Back on track? We're in huge amounts of more debt. Their economic model is not sustainable. There is only so much you can squeeze the poor and the more the do so the more it affects the economy as people have less money to spend. Yet the keep giving the rich tax cuts. Therefore their tax income is less and less so they have to make more cuts but without actually saving any money overall. Plus there is a limit to how much they can cut."
Debt and deficit. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think it's the best of a bad bunch.Just imagine the shit we would be in if Labour had been in the last few years.
Yes justimagine - no unecessay cuts to essential services, policing or NHS, no abortive austerity program, no brexit vote on a binary decision, no people forced into poverty because of changes in their benefits system, no disabled people oealised by the beroom tax -oh my how awful that would be
Its just a cycle unfortunately Labour spend money that isn't there and get the country in the shit.Then they lose an election to the conservatives who get the country back on the track then they lose an election........."
Odd as Rory borrowing since they got in has dwarfed labour borrowing. So the national debt has increased, austerity has fucked public services and most tellingly the divide between rich and poor has ballooned with thousands of people depending on foodbanks while the country's wealthiest have seen their assets multiply.
But yeah labour are the party that don't have a handle on the economy |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think it's the best of a bad bunch.Just imagine the shit we would be in if Labour had been in the last few years."
I find it so depressing when people say that, that it’s the best of a bad bunch. |
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"I think it's the best of a bad bunch.Just imagine the shit we would be in if Labour had been in the last few years.
Yes justimagine - no unecessay cuts to essential services, policing or NHS, no abortive austerity program, no brexit vote on a binary decision, no people forced into poverty because of changes in their benefits system, no disabled people oealised by the beroom tax -oh my how awful that would be
Its just a cycle unfortunately Labour spend money that isn't there and get the country in the shit.Then they lose an election to the conservatives who get the country back on the track then they lose an election.........
Back on track? We're in huge amounts of more debt. Their economic model is not sustainable. There is only so much you can squeeze the poor and the more the do so the more it affects the economy as people have less money to spend. Yet the keep giving the rich tax cuts. Therefore their tax income is less and less so they have to make more cuts but without actually saving any money overall. Plus there is a limit to how much they can cut.
Debt and deficit."
Yes and as much as I am not his biggest fan, Tony Blair is the only prime minister in my lifetime we have been in surplus under. |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"I think it's the best of a bad bunch.Just imagine the shit we would be in if Labour had been in the last few years.
Yes justimagine - no unecessay cuts to essential services, policing or NHS, no abortive austerity program, no brexit vote on a binary decision, no people forced into poverty because of changes in their benefits system, no disabled people oealised by the beroom tax -oh my how awful that would be
Its just a cycle unfortunately Labour spend money that isn't there and get the country in the shit.Then they lose an election to the conservatives who get the country back on the track then they lose an election........."
No. Go look at any actual figures, then come back and try again.
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"I think it's the best of a bad bunch.Just imagine the shit we would be in if Labour had been in the last few years.
Yes justimagine - no unecessay cuts to essential services, policing or NHS, no abortive austerity program, no brexit vote on a binary decision, no people forced into poverty because of changes in their benefits system, no disabled people oealised by the beroom tax -oh my how awful that would be
Its just a cycle unfortunately Labour spend money that isn't there and get the country in the shit.Then they lose an election to the conservatives who get the country back on the track then they lose an election.........
Odd as Rory borrowing since they got in has dwarfed labour borrowing. So the national debt has increased, austerity has fucked public services and most tellingly the divide between rich and poor has ballooned with thousands of people depending on foodbanks while the country's wealthiest have seen their assets multiply.
But yeah labour are the party that don't have a handle on the economy"
It’s very hard to challenge people’s preconceptions. I showed a Tory voter the figures for spending year on year and he was so surprised to see the Tories outspending Labour.
Still votes for them, as far as I know. |
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"I think it's the best of a bad bunch.Just imagine the shit we would be in if Labour had been in the last few years.
Yes justimagine - no unecessay cuts to essential services, policing or NHS, no abortive austerity program, no brexit vote on a binary decision, no people forced into poverty because of changes in their benefits system, no disabled people oealised by the beroom tax -oh my how awful that would be
Its just a cycle unfortunately Labour spend money that isn't there and get the country in the shit.Then they lose an election to the conservatives who get the country back on the track then they lose an election.........
Back on track? We're in huge amounts of more debt. Their economic model is not sustainable. There is only so much you can squeeze the poor and the more the do so the more it affects the economy as people have less money to spend. Yet the keep giving the rich tax cuts. Therefore their tax income is less and less so they have to make more cuts but without actually saving any money overall. Plus there is a limit to how much they can cut.
Debt and deficit.
Yes and as much as I am not his biggest fan, Tony Blair is the only prime minister in my lifetime we have been in surplus under."
It was the Blair/Brown government who left a note in the treasury when they left office saying "There is no money left". |
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"I think it's the best of a bad bunch.Just imagine the shit we would be in if Labour had been in the last few years.
Yes justimagine - no unecessay cuts to essential services, policing or NHS, no abortive austerity program, no brexit vote on a binary decision, no people forced into poverty because of changes in their benefits system, no disabled people oealised by the beroom tax -oh my how awful that would be
Its just a cycle unfortunately Labour spend money that isn't there and get the country in the shit.Then they lose an election to the conservatives who get the country back on the track then they lose an election.........
Back on track? We're in huge amounts of more debt. Their economic model is not sustainable. There is only so much you can squeeze the poor and the more the do so the more it affects the economy as people have less money to spend. Yet the keep giving the rich tax cuts. Therefore their tax income is less and less so they have to make more cuts but without actually saving any money overall. Plus there is a limit to how much they can cut.
Debt and deficit.
Yes and as much as I am not his biggest fan, Tony Blair is the only prime minister in my lifetime we have been in surplus under.
It was the Blair/Brown government who left a note in the treasury when they left office saying "There is no money left". "
Because of a GLOBAL financial crisis. We were in surplus from 1998 to 2001. They borrowed a little from 2001 to 2008 but still less than half of that of the previous conservative government did most years. Things didn't go really bad until 2008 when they had to bail the banks out. Then borrowing peaked in 2010 under Cameron. Current government borrowing as a percentage of GDP is at a similar level to that under Labour between 2001 and 2008. You can literally look the figures up yourself. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I think it's the best of a bad bunch.Just imagine the shit we would be in if Labour had been in the last few years.
Yes justimagine - no unecessay cuts to essential services, policing or NHS, no abortive austerity program, no brexit vote on a binary decision, no people forced into poverty because of changes in their benefits system, no disabled people oealised by the beroom tax -oh my how awful that would be
Its just a cycle unfortunately Labour spend money that isn't there and get the country in the shit.Then they lose an election to the conservatives who get the country back on the track then they lose an election.........
Back on track? We're in huge amounts of more debt. Their economic model is not sustainable. There is only so much you can squeeze the poor and the more the do so the more it affects the economy as people have less money to spend. Yet the keep giving the rich tax cuts. Therefore their tax income is less and less so they have to make more cuts but without actually saving any money overall. Plus there is a limit to how much they can cut."
That is right and as well they cut benefits from those that needs it and with the problems the universal credit have, with giving money in time as it can take up to 6 weeks. |
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It's Conservative government shite v2.0 - after David Cameron's first mess, causing the referendum and then walking away, leaving Theresa May with the poison chalice.
Brexit was only caused because the Conservatives were imploding - not because the country may or may not have needed it.
Since that point they've become more ideologically fired up/more split, with some only holding senior roles to enhance their CV - there's nothing strong and stable about them.
At least the Labour government after the global financial crash, caused by uncontrolled banks selling worthless debts to each other around the world, did actually manage to initiate UK growth quite quickly, generally highlighting the contrast between their financial competence and the conservatives cluster-fuckups ad nauseum.
But some seem to be happy with the conservatives, though Theresa May's 'strong and stable' election sloganeering didn't get them a convincing general election win, so I'm guessing that the UK public haven't been too convinced. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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It was the Blair/Brown government who left a note in the treasury when they left office saying "There is no money left". "
Eight years of Conservative rule and there's still none left, just a bigger and bigger credit card bill each month. |
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It was the Blair/Brown government who left a note in the treasury when they left office saying "There is no money left".
Eight years of Conservative rule and there's still none left, just a bigger and bigger credit card bill each month."
Can i ask what labour would do to that credit card bill? |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"I think it's the best of a bad bunch.Just imagine the shit we would be in if Labour had been in the last few years.
Yes justimagine - no unecessay cuts to essential services, policing or NHS, no abortive austerity program, no brexit vote on a binary decision, no people forced into poverty because of changes in their benefits system, no disabled people oealised by the beroom tax -oh my how awful that would be
Its just a cycle unfortunately Labour spend money that isn't there and get the country in the shit.Then they lose an election to the conservatives who get the country back on the track then they lose an election.........
Back on track? We're in huge amounts of more debt. Their economic model is not sustainable. There is only so much you can squeeze the poor and the more the do so the more it affects the economy as people have less money to spend. Yet the keep giving the rich tax cuts. Therefore their tax income is less and less so they have to make more cuts but without actually saving any money overall. Plus there is a limit to how much they can cut.
Debt and deficit.
Yes and as much as I am not his biggest fan, Tony Blair is the only prime minister in my lifetime we have been in surplus under.
It was the Blair/Brown government who left a note in the treasury when they left office saying "There is no money left".
Because of a GLOBAL financial crisis. We were in surplus from 1998 to 2001. They borrowed a little from 2001 to 2008 but still less than half of that of the previous conservative government did most years. Things didn't go really bad until 2008 when they had to bail the banks out. Then borrowing peaked in 2010 under Cameron. Current government borrowing as a percentage of GDP is at a similar level to that under Labour between 2001 and 2008. You can literally look the figures up yourself."
That point is lost on people sadly.
What they want is a context-free soundbite that they can repeat to affirm their preconceptions. |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"I think it's the best of a bad bunch.Just imagine the shit we would be in if Labour had been in the last few years.
Yes justimagine - no unecessay cuts to essential services, policing or NHS, no abortive austerity program, no brexit vote on a binary decision, no people forced into poverty because of changes in their benefits system, no disabled people oealised by the beroom tax -oh my how awful that would be
Its just a cycle unfortunately Labour spend money that isn't there and get the country in the shit.Then they lose an election to the conservatives who get the country back on the track then they lose an election.........
Odd as Rory borrowing since they got in has dwarfed labour borrowing. So the national debt has increased, austerity has fucked public services and most tellingly the divide between rich and poor has ballooned with thousands of people depending on foodbanks while the country's wealthiest have seen their assets multiply.
But yeah labour are the party that don't have a handle on the economy
It’s very hard to challenge people’s preconceptions. I showed a Tory voter the figures for spending year on year and he was so surprised to see the Tories outspending Labour.
Still votes for them, as far as I know. "
Labour caused lots of the current and future debt by signing hundreds of PFI deals that we are now paying for, you know the ones where companies can charge £100 to change a light bulb etc |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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It was the Blair/Brown government who left a note in the treasury when they left office saying "There is no money left".
Eight years of Conservative rule and there's still none left, just a bigger and bigger credit card bill each month.
Can i ask what labour would do to that credit card bill?"
Ordinary people having the ability to live normal, local lives is what makes a National economy work. Making sure that Mr & Mrs Ordinary from middle England have enough money to spend locally is what will make Britain Great.
Ordinary people with money spending that money in the local economy is the most important thing in any economy, rewarding the uber wealthy results in the uber wealthy retaking their cash away from the U.K. and like it or not, this doesn’t help us. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think it's the best of a bad bunch.Just imagine the shit we would be in if Labour had been in the last few years.
Yes justimagine - no unecessay cuts to essential services, policing or NHS, no abortive austerity program, no brexit vote on a binary decision, no people forced into poverty because of changes in their benefits system, no disabled people oealised by the beroom tax -oh my how awful that would be
Its just a cycle unfortunately Labour spend money that isn't there and get the country in the shit.Then they lose an election to the conservatives who get the country back on the track then they lose an election.........
Odd as Rory borrowing since they got in has dwarfed labour borrowing. So the national debt has increased, austerity has fucked public services and most tellingly the divide between rich and poor has ballooned with thousands of people depending on foodbanks while the country's wealthiest have seen their assets multiply.
But yeah labour are the party that don't have a handle on the economy
It’s very hard to challenge people’s preconceptions. I showed a Tory voter the figures for spending year on year and he was so surprised to see the Tories outspending Labour.
Still votes for them, as far as I know.
Labour caused lots of the current and future debt by signing hundreds of PFI deals that we are now paying for, you know the ones where companies can charge £100 to change a light bulb etc"
Unfortunately absolutely right. A case of government making decisions for short term gain resulting in long term loss!
But companies building and supplying infrastructure can't do it for nothing! Without profit no company! Two sides to every story! |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
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Can i ask what labour would do to that credit card bill?"
I've no idea.
You'd need to ask John McDonnell or someone.
Whether it is justified or not, there is a perception among voters that the Tories do the economy better than Labour and Labour do social progress better than the Tories.
So when the mood is for belt-tightening, people vote Tory; when the mood is for progress in social affairs, people vote Labour.
Blair and Brown overcame this perception in the 1990s by promising to stick with the spending plans of the Major government.
So no-one had a stick to beat them with over the economy.
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By (user no longer on site)
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Unfortunately absolutely right. A case of government making decisions for short term gain resulting in long term loss!
But companies building and supplying infrastructure can't do it for nothing! Without profit no company! Two sides to every story! "
I am all for companies making a healthy profit but when they are making 2 to 300% it then starts to become rdiculas |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
PFI was a Conservative invention.
Deeply flawed.
All about keeping public spending off the balance sheet.
So we end up paying much more than we need to for new infrastructure, in return for a bit of window dressing with the public finances.
A political con trick. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Unfortunately absolutely right. A case of government making decisions for short term gain resulting in long term loss!
But companies building and supplying infrastructure can't do it for nothing! Without profit no company! Two sides to every story!
I am all for companies making a healthy profit but when they are making 2 to 300% it then starts to become rdiculas "
Well we could always cancel the contract? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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It was the Blair/Brown government who left a note in the treasury when they left office saying "There is no money left".
Eight years of Conservative rule and there's still none left, just a bigger and bigger credit card bill each month.
Can i ask what labour would do to that credit card bill?"
Maybe make multinationals pay their tax bills? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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It was the Blair/Brown government who left a note in the treasury when they left office saying "There is no money left".
Eight years of Conservative rule and there's still none left, just a bigger and bigger credit card bill each month.
Can i ask what labour would do to that credit card bill?
Maybe make multinationals pay their tax bills?"
or british oligarchs who launder millions in offshore cash through political campaigning in the run up to voting .... there's another bunch at it in the news again today |
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By (user no longer on site)
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It was the Blair/Brown government who left a note in the treasury when they left office saying "There is no money left".
Eight years of Conservative rule and there's still none left, just a bigger and bigger credit card bill each month.
Can i ask what labour would do to that credit card bill?
Maybe make multinationals pay their tax bills?
or british oligarchs who launder millions in offshore cash through political campaigning in the run up to voting .... there's another bunch at it in the news again today"
correction .... there are another ten shadowy groups exposed to have been illegally acting to pervert the democratic process |
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Actually what labour intend doing with the credit card bill is forgetting its there and add even more to it, howwever as long as jc is in charge they wont get in anyway. Labour tried already to spend their way out of trouble and failed the tories went for austerity and have failed. What we need is a measured approach somewhere in the middle |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Actually what labour intend doing with the credit card bill is forgetting its there and add even more to it, howwever as long as jc is in charge they wont get in anyway. Labour tried already to spend their way out of trouble and failed the tories went for austerity and have failed. What we need is a measured approach somewhere in the middle "
Correction. Tories increased spending and brought in austerity. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think it's the best of a bad bunch.Just imagine the shit we would be in if Labour had been in the last few years.
Yes justimagine - no unecessay cuts to essential services, policing or NHS, no abortive austerity program, no brexit vote on a binary decision, no people forced into poverty because of changes in their benefits system, no disabled people oealised by the beroom tax -oh my how awful that would be
Its just a cycle unfortunately Labour spend money that isn't there and get the country in the shit.Then they lose an election to the conservatives who get the country back on the track then they lose an election.........
Back on track? We're in huge amounts of more debt. Their economic model is not sustainable. There is only so much you can squeeze the poor and the more the do so the more it affects the economy as people have less money to spend. Yet the keep giving the rich tax cuts. Therefore their tax income is less and less so they have to make more cuts but without actually saving any money overall. Plus there is a limit to how much they can cut.
Debt and deficit.
Yes and as much as I am not his biggest fan, Tony Blair is the only prime minister in my lifetime we have been in surplus under.
It was the Blair/Brown government who left a note in the treasury when they left office saying "There is no money left". "
I remember reading something about the Labour Government signing off on a ton of contracts the night they knew they were to lose power to the Tories as to hamstring them.
Never looked it up online though, but that was the no money mocking letter election left by the Labour treasury. |
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
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"I think it's the best of a bad bunch.Just imagine the shit we would be in if Labour had been in the last few years.
Yes justimagine - no unecessay cuts to essential services, policing or NHS, no abortive austerity program, no brexit vote on a binary decision, no people forced into poverty because of changes in their benefits system, no disabled people oealised by the beroom tax -oh my how awful that would be
Its just a cycle unfortunately Labour spend money that isn't there and get the country in the shit.Then they lose an election to the conservatives who get the country back on the track then they lose an election.........
Back on track? We're in huge amounts of more debt. Their economic model is not sustainable. There is only so much you can squeeze the poor and the more the do so the more it affects the economy as people have less money to spend. Yet the keep giving the rich tax cuts. Therefore their tax income is less and less so they have to make more cuts but without actually saving any money overall. Plus there is a limit to how much they can cut.That is right and as well they cut benefits from those that needs it and with the problems the universal credit have, with giving money in time as it can take up to 6 weeks."
good luck with that 6 week wait from personal experiance 14 weeks wait if your lucky and your so called 6 weeks starts when you are allowed to apply any savings ir earnings put that back 4 weeks whole thing is set up to punish you for losing your job |
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"Actually what labour intend doing with the credit card bill is forgetting its there and add even more to it, howwever as long as jc is in charge they wont get in anyway. Labour tried already to spend their way out of trouble and failed the tories went for austerity and have failed. What we need is a measured approach somewhere in the middle "
You do know that the national debt has doubled in the last 7 years. And the tories have borrowed more in that time than all previous Labour governments ever? |
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"Actually what labour intend doing with the credit card bill is forgetting its there and add even more to it, howwever as long as jc is in charge they wont get in anyway. Labour tried already to spend their way out of trouble and failed the tories went for austerity and have failed. What we need is a measured approach somewhere in the middle
You do know that the national debt has doubled in the last 7 years. And the tories have borrowed more in that time than all previous Labour governments ever?"
Because of all the crap Labour left them with.The deficit is coming down which has to be the priority. |
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"Actually what labour intend doing with the credit card bill is forgetting its there and add even more to it, howwever as long as jc is in charge they wont get in anyway. Labour tried already to spend their way out of trouble and failed the tories went for austerity and have failed. What we need is a measured approach somewhere in the middle
You do know that the national debt has doubled in the last 7 years. And the tories have borrowed more in that time than all previous Labour governments ever?
Because of all the crap Labour left them with.The deficit is coming down which has to be the priority."
that plan was scrapped in the budget chap ... 8 wasted years |
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