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over a year ago
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It is an interesting discussion about it on sky news of how raab didnt know anything about it, with the border check at dover if there would be a hard border. 4 million lorries cross a year and if there is no deal they would need a permit and then it would be a massive traffic jam with the check, it doesnt look good, whats your view, of how no consequences was made? |
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"It is an interesting discussion about it on sky news of how raab didnt know anything about it, with the border check at dover if there would be a hard border. 4 million lorries cross a year and if there is no deal they would need a permit and then it would be a massive traffic jam with the check, it doesnt look good, whats your view, of how no consequences was made?"
You are right there will be major disruption for a while but then they will work it out because they have to.
Deals will be done and the process will be smoother out as it’s in the intrest of business on both sides of the channel, business always finds a way |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"It is an interesting discussion about it on sky news of how raab didnt know anything about it, with the border check at dover if there would be a hard border. 4 million lorries cross a year and if there is no deal they would need a permit and then it would be a massive traffic jam with the check, it doesnt look good, whats your view, of how no consequences was made?"
i am just surprised that the "brexit" secretary is just finding about this now when the DFT (dept.for transport) have basically started turning the M26 and parts of the M20 in potential lorry car parks!!
of course the DFT started doing this... but "forgot" to let the local mp's and kent county council as to why they were doing this work!
basically shags, no deal will mean the channel tunnel will be shut unti the english french sort out some deal... and everything will have go thru the ports! |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"It is an interesting discussion about it on sky news of how raab didnt know anything about it, with the border check at dover if there would be a hard border. 4 million lorries cross a year and if there is no deal they would need a permit and then it would be a massive traffic jam with the check, it doesnt look good, whats your view, of how no consequences was made?"
the only one saving grace is that easter this one coming is "late"... so they will have all of 3 weeks between exit day and easter to sort it out! |
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"It is an interesting discussion about it on sky news of how raab didnt know anything about it, with the border check at dover if there would be a hard border. 4 million lorries cross a year and if there is no deal they would need a permit and then it would be a massive traffic jam with the check, it doesnt look good, whats your view, of how no consequences was made?
You are right there will be major disruption for a while but then they will work it out because they have to.
Deals will be done and the process will be smoother out as it’s in the intrest of business on both sides of the channel, business always finds a way "
It's called WTO always assuming that Fox can get our schedule agreed? Having upset numerous countries around the world with our past imperialism and aggressive actions - no suprise we are getting objections - reality kicking in?
But weren't we supposed to get a Norway + Canada ++ deal or WTO was great too - they change their tune daily! |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"It is an interesting discussion about it on sky news of how raab didnt know anything about it, with the border check at dover if there would be a hard border. 4 million lorries cross a year and if there is no deal they would need a permit and then it would be a massive traffic jam with the check, it doesnt look good, whats your view, of how no consequences was made?
You are right there will be major disruption for a while but then they will work it out because they have to.
Deals will be done and the process will be smoother out as it’s in the intrest of business on both sides of the channel, business always finds a way
It's called WTO always assuming that Fox can get our schedule agreed? Having upset numerous countries around the world with our past imperialism and aggressive actions - no suprise we are getting objections - reality kicking in?
But weren't we supposed to get a Norway + Canada ++ deal or WTO was great too - they change their tune daily!"
can you just remind people that it took russia 19 years to get their WTO schedule approved.....
if you are annoyed now that 27 countries get a say in the UK business at the moment, wait until 195 countries get a say over the WTO schedule... and any 1 country can say no and it is back to square once...
wait to you see how frustrating THAT is...... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It is an interesting discussion about it on sky news of how raab didnt know anything about it, with the border check at dover if there would be a hard border. 4 million lorries cross a year and if there is no deal they would need a permit and then it would be a massive traffic jam with the check, it doesnt look good, whats your view, of how no consequences was made?
You are right there will be major disruption for a while but then they will work it out because they have to.
Deals will be done and the process will be smoother out as it’s in the intrest of business on both sides of the channel, business always finds a way "
Wouldn’t it have just been better not to heave to deal with this bullshit in the first place? |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"It is an interesting discussion about it on sky news of how raab didnt know anything about it, with the border check at dover if there would be a hard border. 4 million lorries cross a year and if there is no deal they would need a permit and then it would be a massive traffic jam with the check, it doesnt look good, whats your view, of how no consequences was made?"
Perhaps you should ask the dover port authority, they released an statement on the 1st Oct saying they have it in hand, I guess they might know a bit more about it than you or any other doom merchants |
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Perhaps you should ask the dover port authority, they released an statement on the 1st Oct saying they have it in hand, I guess they might know a bit more about it than you or any other doom merchants"
No they didn't
https://www.kentonline.co.uk/kent/news/the-only-way-is-dover-190666/
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"It is an interesting discussion about it on sky news of how raab didnt know anything about it, with the border check at dover if there would be a hard border. 4 million lorries cross a year and if there is no deal they would need a permit and then it would be a massive traffic jam with the check, it doesnt look good, whats your view, of how no consequences was made?
Perhaps you should ask the dover port authority, they released an statement on the 1st Oct saying they have it in hand, I guess they might know a bit more about it than you or any other doom merchants"
Can you provide a link to that released statement because it's not what they said on 20 June
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jun/20/port-of-dover-warning-regular-gridlock-congestion-hard-brexit-trade#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s
Or what Tim Reardon, Head of EU Exit, Port of Dover, said on 1 Oct
"It is clearly good news that the Government recognises the need to keep traffic flowing through Dover, not just for the port but for everyone who relies on the goods in the lorries. Trying to divert the traffic through other ports is a non-starter. The port capacity isn’t there, and a whole new fleet of ferries would be needed which simply doesn’t exist. Successful future trade with Europe must be about delivering a realistic solution [sic. a deal]. That means a free-flowing Dover, whose speed, efficiency and capacity cannot be replicated without adding significant cost to the supply chain."
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i've posted a letter to 'Raab in the Headlines' today ... recorded delivery .... it's map that shows the geographical location of his arse and his elbow .... i shall let the forum know if i receive a reply  |
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"i've posted a letter to 'Raab in the Headlines' today ... recorded delivery .... it's map that shows the geographical location of his arse and his elbow .... i shall let the forum know if i receive a reply "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It is an interesting discussion about it on sky news of how raab didnt know anything about it, with the border check at dover if there would be a hard border. 4 million lorries cross a year and if there is no deal they would need a permit and then it would be a massive traffic jam with the check, it doesnt look good, whats your view, of how no consequences was made?
You are right there will be major disruption for a while but then they will work it out because they have to.
Deals will be done and the process will be smoother out as it’s in the intrest of business on both sides of the channel, business always finds a way "
Try telling that to Iranian companies. Sometimes businesses get fucked by governments and idiotic referendums |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"It is an interesting discussion about it on sky news of how raab didnt know anything about it, with the border check at dover if there would be a hard border. 4 million lorries cross a year and if there is no deal they would need a permit and then it would be a massive traffic jam with the check, it doesnt look good, whats your view, of how no consequences was made?
Perhaps you should ask the dover port authority, they released an statement on the 1st Oct saying they have it in hand, I guess they might know a bit more about it than you or any other doom merchants
Can you provide a link to that released statement because it's not what they said on 20 June
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jun/20/port-of-dover-warning-regular-gridlock-congestion-hard-brexit-trade#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s
Or what Tim Reardon, Head of EU Exit, Port of Dover, said on 1 Oct
"It is clearly good news that the Government recognises the need to keep traffic flowing through Dover, not just for the port but for everyone who relies on the goods in the lorries. Trying to divert the traffic through other ports is a non-starter. The port capacity isn’t there, and a whole new fleet of ferries would be needed which simply doesn’t exist. Successful future trade with Europe must be about delivering a realistic solution [sic. a deal]. That means a free-flowing Dover, whose speed, efficiency and capacity cannot be replicated without adding significant cost to the supply chain."
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Perhaps if you read the whole statement who would have seen this bit
“Successful future trade with Europe must be about delivering a realistic solution. That means a free-flowing Dover, whose speed, efficiency and capacity cannot be replicated without adding significant cost to the supply chain.”
Dover has also been at the centre of contingency planning to minimise disruption in the event of a No-Deal Brexit. The Port has been working with Government for months to deliver the plan, outlined in last October’s Customs Bill White Paper, for lorry traffic to be pre-notified to customs so that vehicles do not need to be held at the port.
The first fruits of that work can be seen in the Technical Notices published by the Government on 24 September, which stated that health controls on animal and plant products from the EU would be carried out remotely, so that vehicles would not need to stop at the port.
Mr Reardon added: “We are determined that our customers can continue to rely on Dover, so that their customers can keep factories busy, shops full and prices low for consumers across the UK.”
Deal or no deal, Dover’s success will be Britain’s success – the solution is here.
Will there be some delays to begin with quite possibly especially as we know the french can play silly buggers at the best of times, but calais and dover have been havint lots of meetings to sort things out. What I find very amusing is that those who want brexit to fail only find stuff that reinforces that view while being blind to anything that counteracts it. Many remainers have it seems a hatred of the express and mail and the stories they publish and claim they are blind to reality yet happily quote any media source that is anti brexit and "biased" just as much |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"It is an interesting discussion about it on sky news of how raab didnt know anything about it, with the border check at dover if there would be a hard border. 4 million lorries cross a year and if there is no deal they would need a permit and then it would be a massive traffic jam with the check, it doesnt look good, whats your view, of how no consequences was made?
Perhaps you should ask the dover port authority, they released an statement on the 1st Oct saying they have it in hand, I guess they might know a bit more about it than you or any other doom merchants
Can you provide a link to that released statement because it's not what they said on 20 June
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jun/20/port-of-dover-warning-regular-gridlock-congestion-hard-brexit-trade#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s
Or what Tim Reardon, Head of EU Exit, Port of Dover, said on 1 Oct
"It is clearly good news that the Government recognises the need to keep traffic flowing through Dover, not just for the port but for everyone who relies on the goods in the lorries. Trying to divert the traffic through other ports is a non-starter. The port capacity isn’t there, and a whole new fleet of ferries would be needed which simply doesn’t exist. Successful future trade with Europe must be about delivering a realistic solution [sic. a deal]. That means a free-flowing Dover, whose speed, efficiency and capacity cannot be replicated without adding significant cost to the supply chain."
Perhaps if you read the whole statement who would have seen this bit
“Successful future trade with Europe must be about delivering a realistic solution. That means a free-flowing Dover, whose speed, efficiency and capacity cannot be replicated without adding significant cost to the supply chain.”
Dover has also been at the centre of contingency planning to minimise disruption in the event of a No-Deal Brexit. The Port has been working with Government for months to deliver the plan, outlined in last October’s Customs Bill White Paper, for lorry traffic to be pre-notified to customs so that vehicles do not need to be held at the port.
The first fruits of that work can be seen in the Technical Notices published by the Government on 24 September, which stated that health controls on animal and plant products from the EU would be carried out remotely, so that vehicles would not need to stop at the port.
Mr Reardon added: “We are determined that our customers can continue to rely on Dover, so that their customers can keep factories busy, shops full and prices low for consumers across the UK.”
Deal or no deal, Dover’s success will be Britain’s success – the solution is here.
Will there be some delays to begin with quite possibly especially as we know the french can play silly buggers at the best of times, but calais and dover have been havint lots of meetings to sort things out. What I find very amusing is that those who want brexit to fail only find stuff that reinforces that view while being blind to anything that counteracts it. Many remainers have it seems a hatred of the express and mail and the stories they publish and claim they are blind to reality yet happily quote any media source that is anti brexit and "biased" just as much"
I can ride my motorcycle without a helmet and I can drive my car at 120 mph. Unfortunately, the Government enacted laws to prevent me from doing so and so whilst technically I can, in reality I can’t.
The Port of Dover will be fucked by Government action and quite rightly the Port bosses will demonstrate that they have done everything they could have done to mitigate the problems. Why should they allow the spotlight to fall on them for the Governments ineptitude. |
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"It is an interesting discussion about it on sky news of how raab didnt know anything about it, with the border check at dover if there would be a hard border. 4 million lorries cross a year and if there is no deal they would need a permit and then it would be a massive traffic jam with the check, it doesnt look good, whats your view, of how no consequences was made?
You are right there will be major disruption for a while but then they will work it out because they have to.
Deals will be done and the process will be smoother out as it’s in the intrest of business on both sides of the channel, business always finds a way
It's called WTO always assuming that Fox can get our schedule agreed? Having upset numerous countries around the world with our past imperialism and aggressive actions - no suprise we are getting objections - reality kicking in?
But weren't we supposed to get a Norway + Canada ++ deal or WTO was great too - they change their tune daily!
can you just remind people that it took russia 19 years to get their WTO schedule approved.....
if you are annoyed now that 27 countries get a say in the UK business at the moment, wait until 195 countries get a say over the WTO schedule... and any 1 country can say no and it is back to square once...
wait to you see how frustrating THAT is......"
Brexit means brexit, you know that; I'm feed up of remoaners. The WTO will let us do what we ask because we are Britain! We're the empire of the sun!
P.S: just paraphrasing the normal reaction of some leavmoaners in the room |
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"It is an interesting discussion about it on sky news of how raab didnt know anything about it, with the border check at dover if there would be a hard border. 4 million lorries cross a year and if there is no deal they would need a permit and then it would be a massive traffic jam with the check, it doesnt look good, whats your view, of how no consequences was made?
Perhaps you should ask the dover port authority, they released an statement on the 1st Oct saying they have it in hand, I guess they might know a bit more about it than you or any other doom merchants
Can you provide a link to that released statement because it's not what they said on 20 June
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jun/20/port-of-dover-warning-regular-gridlock-congestion-hard-brexit-trade#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s
Or what Tim Reardon, Head of EU Exit, Port of Dover, said on 1 Oct
"It is clearly good news that the Government recognises the need to keep traffic flowing through Dover, not just for the port but for everyone who relies on the goods in the lorries. Trying to divert the traffic through other ports is a non-starter. The port capacity isn’t there, and a whole new fleet of ferries would be needed which simply doesn’t exist. Successful future trade with Europe must be about delivering a realistic solution [sic. a deal]. That means a free-flowing Dover, whose speed, efficiency and capacity cannot be replicated without adding significant cost to the supply chain."
Perhaps if you read the whole statement who would have seen this bit
“Successful future trade with Europe must be about delivering a realistic solution. That means a free-flowing Dover, whose speed, efficiency and capacity cannot be replicated without adding significant cost to the supply chain.”
Dover has also been at the centre of contingency planning to minimise disruption in the event of a No-Deal Brexit. The Port has been working with Government for months to deliver the plan, outlined in last October’s Customs Bill White Paper, for lorry traffic to be pre-notified to customs so that vehicles do not need to be held at the port.
The first fruits of that work can be seen in the Technical Notices published by the Government on 24 September, which stated that health controls on animal and plant products from the EU would be carried out remotely, so that vehicles would not need to stop at the port.
Mr Reardon added: “We are determined that our customers can continue to rely on Dover, so that their customers can keep factories busy, shops full and prices low for consumers across the UK.”
Deal or no deal, Dover’s success will be Britain’s success – the solution is here.
Will there be some delays to begin with quite possibly especially as we know the french can play silly buggers at the best of times, but calais and dover have been havint lots of meetings to sort things out. What I find very amusing is that those who want brexit to fail only find stuff that reinforces that view while being blind to anything that counteracts it. Many remainers have it seems a hatred of the express and mail and the stories they publish and claim they are blind to reality yet happily quote any media source that is anti brexit and "biased" just as much"
"Importing animals and animal products if there’s no Brexit deal
Published 24 September 2018
Border Inspection Posts
There would be an increase in the number of consignments requiring import control checks at a BIP [Border Inspection Point] as a result of the need to carry out these checks on transit items that are currently carried out elsewhere in the EU. Those carrying out the checks at the BIP would receive notifications on the new import notification system to support checks and controls. These users will be fully trained to MINIMISE the impact AT THE BORDER and REDUCE the chance of DELAYS.
Importers should note that this Technical Notice only addresses the relevant sanitary requirements for imports. Other SIGNIFICANT factors such as customs declarations and tariffs are not covered."
Nothing about remote checks anywhere in that document. Minimise and reduce delays still means delays and the only people playing 'sily buggers' are the people who want to break and leave all the agreements and arrangements made since the UK joined EFTA in 1960 that facilitate frictionless trade but expect that trade to carry as if there was no change at all. |
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As things stand the boarder is on the other side of the Channel in Calais. I don’t know how hard that is, but many illegals are getting through, so I don’t think it is effective. It is necessary to have a boarder though, especially with the sheer volume of traffic passing though. So having all the checks made in Dover is probably the best bet all round. We can’t just wave everyone through just to prevent delays, that would be ridiculous... |
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"As things stand the boarder is on the other side of the Channel in Calais. I don’t know how hard that is, but many illegals are getting through, so I don’t think it is effective. It is necessary to have a boarder though, especially with the sheer volume of traffic passing though. So having all the checks made in Dover is probably the best bet all round. We can’t just wave everyone through just to prevent delays, that would be ridiculous..."
The border is in Calais because of the "Le Touquet" agreement between Britain & France where they stationed customs on each other's soil to aid control of borders. Please note the migrants are economic migrants from none EU countries - Middle East & Africa mainly! The illegal immigrants are being aided by British citizens - a recent case was a retired RN CAPTAIN. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"As things stand the boarder is on the other side of the Channel in Calais. I don’t know how hard that is, but many illegals are getting through, so I don’t think it is effective. It is necessary to have a boarder though, especially with the sheer volume of traffic passing though. So having all the checks made in Dover is probably the best bet all round. We can’t just wave everyone through just to prevent delays, that would be ridiculous...
The border is in Calais because of the "Le Touquet" agreement between Britain & France where they stationed customs on each other's soil to aid control of borders. Please note the migrants are economic migrants from none EU countries - Middle East & Africa mainly! The illegal immigrants are being aided by British citizens - a recent case was a retired RN CAPTAIN."
erm... it was also put there to make sure things could move speedily in/out the channel tunnel........ you know, that "not needing the paperwork between the uk and france!
so if the channel tunnel is going to be closed (which is will for probably at least the 1st 10 days of a no deal brexit).... and checks and paperwork are going to need to be done and inspected.... hmmmmm......... |
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"As things stand the boarder is on the other side of the Channel in Calais. I don’t know how hard that is, but many illegals are getting through, so I don’t think it is effective. It is necessary to have a boarder though, especially with the sheer volume of traffic passing though. So having all the checks made in Dover is probably the best bet all round. We can’t just wave everyone through just to prevent delays, that would be ridiculous...
The border is in Calais because of the "Le Touquet" agreement between Britain & France where they stationed customs on each other's soil to aid control of borders. Please note the migrants are economic migrants from none EU countries - Middle East & Africa mainly! The illegal immigrants are being aided by British citizens - a recent case was a retired RN CAPTAIN."
I still believe we will do a better job of maintaining our border on our own side of the Channel. I know where most of these illegals started from, but they are trying (and in many cases succeeding) to get here from France. It doesn’t matter who is responsible for helping them get here, jusg that they are caught and stopped... |
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"As things stand the boarder is on the other side of the Channel in Calais. I don’t know how hard that is, but many illegals are getting through, so I don’t think it is effective. It is necessary to have a boarder though, especially with the sheer volume of traffic passing though. So having all the checks made in Dover is probably the best bet all round. We can’t just wave everyone through just to prevent delays, that would be ridiculous...
The border is in Calais because of the "Le Touquet" agreement between Britain & France where they stationed customs on each other's soil to aid control of borders. Please note the migrants are economic migrants from none EU countries - Middle East & Africa mainly! The illegal immigrants are being aided by British citizens - a recent case was a retired RN CAPTAIN.
I still believe we will do a better job of maintaining our border on our own side of the Channel. I know where most of these illegals started from, but they are trying (and in many cases succeeding) to get here from France. It doesn’t matter who is responsible for helping them get here, jusg that they are caught and stopped..."
All it will do is move the "Jungle" (migrant camp) to the UK mainland! At the moment the UK government impose the responsibility on ferry companies and truck drivers if anyone is caught illegally. Because the border is in France then all the migrants are congregating near the ports. The biggest smugglers are Albanians (non EU ). We do not have enough border control vessels to patrol the channel 3 are working 2 are not! Our border is like a sieve and it won't change unless you have a customs officer stationed in every harbour capable of taking a boat! You may not like it but that's fact! |
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"As things stand the boarder is on the other side of the Channel in Calais. I don’t know how hard that is, but many illegals are getting through, so I don’t think it is effective. It is necessary to have a boarder though, especially with the sheer volume of traffic passing though. So having all the checks made in Dover is probably the best bet all round. We can’t just wave everyone through just to prevent delays, that would be ridiculous..."
Just build the wall... A nice wall on the canal de la manche. |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"As things stand the boarder is on the other side of the Channel in Calais. I don’t know how hard that is, but many illegals are getting through, so I don’t think it is effective. It is necessary to have a boarder though, especially with the sheer volume of traffic passing though. So having all the checks made in Dover is probably the best bet all round. We can’t just wave everyone through just to prevent delays, that would be ridiculous...
The border is in Calais because of the "Le Touquet" agreement between Britain & France where they stationed customs on each other's soil to aid control of borders. Please note the migrants are economic migrants from none EU countries - Middle East & Africa mainly! The illegal immigrants are being aided by British citizens - a recent case was a retired RN CAPTAIN.
I still believe we will do a better job of maintaining our border on our own side of the Channel. I know where most of these illegals started from, but they are trying (and in many cases succeeding) to get here from France. It doesn’t matter who is responsible for helping them get here, jusg that they are caught and stopped..."
So how do you think that is going to work then? In your scenario we move the inbound checks to U.K. soil, and at the same time we introduce a whole bunch more checks and paperwork. Where do you think all those vehicles and people are going to fit? There just simply isn’t the infrastructure there.
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"As things stand the boarder is on the other side of the Channel in Calais. I don’t know how hard that is, but many illegals are getting through, so I don’t think it is effective. It is necessary to have a boarder though, especially with the sheer volume of traffic passing though. So having all the checks made in Dover is probably the best bet all round. We can’t just wave everyone through just to prevent delays, that would be ridiculous..."
At the moment the vast majority of the illegals are stopped in France, what you seem to be suggesting is that with the border checks for inbound at Dover etc they will turn up and claim asylum which at present they are not able to do..
Also as others have said just where are all the vehicles going to wait to be checked?
Pretty sure that your aware that the border force agency has like many other public sector workers been cut under the tory government..
So all in all whilst it may not be perfect where it is at present its not broken so best left as it is.. |
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Raab's ignorance just highlights the atrocious level of competence amongst the conservative government. It's another call for alarm, on top of Northern Ireland secretary Karen Bradley, who didn't understand much of the basis for the Northern Ireland issues amongst the 2 sides - who Theresa May appointed  Thicker than many that vote for them |
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As anyone knows that have made that crossing from Dover to Calais - once you arrive on French soil and see the barracades along the roads, gendarmes/CRS with machine guns and the numbers of migrants roaming around - it certainly puts you off stopping in Calais and no doubt the locals would be only too happy to get their town back! Can you imagine such structures in Kent? |
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"As anyone knows that have made that crossing from Dover to Calais - once you arrive on French soil and see the barracades along the roads, gendarmes/CRS with machine guns and the numbers of migrants roaming around - it certainly puts you off stopping in Calais and no doubt the locals would be only too happy to get their town back! Can you imagine such structures in Kent?"
well at least newhaven has it's very own little shithole that would be very much improved with a migrant squatter camp barely 2.5 miles west of the port |
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"As anyone knows that have made that crossing from Dover to Calais - once you arrive on French soil and see the barracades along the roads, gendarmes/CRS with machine guns and the numbers of migrants roaming around - it certainly puts you off stopping in Calais and no doubt the locals would be only too happy to get their town back! Can you imagine such structures in Kent?"
As someone who has frequently made the Dover Calais crossing there's no more barricades around the port than there are at Dover or any other harbour or airport for that matter, no more Police Nationale or Gendarmerie than you see in Paris and certainly no 'numbers of migrants roaming around'. |
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Still though, what are the thoughts of the UK's largest customs clearance agency...
"Before the single market was established in 1993, there were 300 customs officers; there are now 24 in east Kent, James said.
There were also previously 185 customs clearance agents doing the paperwork. “Today, there are only 17, and only five of them of any real size operating a 24-hours-a-day service,” he said.
“In 1993, there were between 2m and 2.5m entries; post-Brexit, there will be somewhere in excess of 25m, this including Dover and Eurotunnel. It is obvious to everyone that customs clearance will be woefully inadequate.” |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"As things stand the boarder is on the other side of the Channel in Calais. I don’t know how hard that is, but many illegals are getting through, so I don’t think it is effective. It is necessary to have a boarder though, especially with the sheer volume of traffic passing though. So having all the checks made in Dover is probably the best bet all round. We can’t just wave everyone through just to prevent delays, that would be ridiculous...
The border is in Calais because of the "Le Touquet" agreement between Britain & France where they stationed customs on each other's soil to aid control of borders. Please note the migrants are economic migrants from none EU countries - Middle East & Africa mainly! The illegal immigrants are being aided by British citizens - a recent case was a retired RN CAPTAIN.
erm... it was also put there to make sure things could move speedily in/out the channel tunnel........ you know, that "not needing the paperwork between the uk and france!
so if the channel tunnel is going to be closed (which is will for probably at least the 1st 10 days of a no deal brexit).... and checks and paperwork are going to need to be done and inspected.... hmmmmm........."
Have you ever been through the chunnel ? there are customs/security checks both sides now |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"As things stand the boarder is on the other side of the Channel in Calais. I don’t know how hard that is, but many illegals are getting through, so I don’t think it is effective. It is necessary to have a boarder though, especially with the sheer volume of traffic passing though. So having all the checks made in Dover is probably the best bet all round. We can’t just wave everyone through just to prevent delays, that would be ridiculous...
The border is in Calais because of the "Le Touquet" agreement between Britain & France where they stationed customs on each other's soil to aid control of borders. Please note the migrants are economic migrants from none EU countries - Middle East & Africa mainly! The illegal immigrants are being aided by British citizens - a recent case was a retired RN CAPTAIN.
erm... it was also put there to make sure things could move speedily in/out the channel tunnel........ you know, that "not needing the paperwork between the uk and france!
so if the channel tunnel is going to be closed (which is will for probably at least the 1st 10 days of a no deal brexit).... and checks and paperwork are going to need to be done and inspected.... hmmmmm.........
Have you ever been through the chunnel ? there are customs/security checks both sides now "
that are only customs check for lorries that have come from countries outside of the eu (for example... switzerland)
after march 30th, unless an agreement is reached, everything will need to be checked... to make sure qualities and correct tarriffs are being applied to products... (see in one of the posts above they tall about customs agents... yeah, them!!!!)
also the channel tunnel in the event of a no deal is going to be shut anyway, since they will then have different potential safety are regulatory alignments... (you wanted to be different remember) that means until they can agree of aspects such as safety records and maintainance routines ect... nothing runs! |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"As things stand the boarder is on the other side of the Channel in Calais. I don’t know how hard that is, but many illegals are getting through, so I don’t think it is effective. It is necessary to have a boarder though, especially with the sheer volume of traffic passing though. So having all the checks made in Dover is probably the best bet all round. We can’t just wave everyone through just to prevent delays, that would be ridiculous...
The border is in Calais because of the "Le Touquet" agreement between Britain & France where they stationed customs on each other's soil to aid control of borders. Please note the migrants are economic migrants from none EU countries - Middle East & Africa mainly! The illegal immigrants are being aided by British citizens - a recent case was a retired RN CAPTAIN.
erm... it was also put there to make sure things could move speedily in/out the channel tunnel........ you know, that "not needing the paperwork between the uk and france!
so if the channel tunnel is going to be closed (which is will for probably at least the 1st 10 days of a no deal brexit).... and checks and paperwork are going to need to be done and inspected.... hmmmmm.........
Have you ever been through the chunnel ? there are customs/security checks both sides now
that are only customs check for lorries that have come from countries outside of the eu (for example... switzerland)
after march 30th, unless an agreement is reached, everything will need to be checked... to make sure qualities and correct tarriffs are being applied to products... (see in one of the posts above they tall about customs agents... yeah, them!!!!)
also the channel tunnel in the event of a no deal is going to be shut anyway, since they will then have different potential safety are regulatory alignments... (you wanted to be different remember) that means until they can agree of aspects such as safety records and maintainance routines ect... nothing runs!"
So this is like your claim that uk drivers would need a different IDL for every eu countr, only in your imagination |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
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So this is like your claim that uk drivers would need a different IDL for every eu countr, only in your imagination"
no.... what i pointed out was for example if you were driving from the uk to spain for example you would need 2 different IDL, as the one for france is different than they one for spain...
and i am betting that people would get caught out by little things like that! |
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Has anyone checked the ages of sexual consent in the other 27 countries that make up the EEA ?
Teen age prostitutes from The EEA regularly travel to the UK to earn big money for their traffickers . If a man had sex with a 14 year old in this country they would go to prison for a long time and be on the sex offenders register. However in virtually all of the EEA it is not illegal. |
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"Has anyone checked the ages of sexual consent in the other 27 countries that make up the EEA ?
Teen age prostitutes from The EEA regularly travel to the UK to earn big money for their traffickers . If a man had sex with a 14 year old in this country they would go to prison for a long time and be on the sex offenders register. However in virtually all of the EEA it is not illegal."
That's simply not true. Firstly there are more than 27 other countries in EEA and the age of consent is between 17 and 14 with only 8 being 14.
Also, under pressure from the EU Council, most countries in Europe now have binding legal obligations in regard to the sexual abuse of children under 18. The Lanzarote Convention, which came into effect in 2011, obligates the countries that ratify it to criminalize certain acts concerning children under 18, such as the involvement of such children in prostitution and pornography.
Age of consent across the EEA.
Cyprus - 17
Ireland - 17
Belgium - 16
Finland - 16
Latvia - 16
Lithuania - 16
Luxembourg - 16
Malta - 16
Netherlands - 16
Norway - 16
Spain - 16
Switzerland - 16
United Kingdom - 16
Croatia - 15
Czech Republic - 15
Denmark - 15
France - 15
Greece - 15
Iceland - 15
Poland - 15
Romania - 15
Slovakia - 15
Slovenia - 15
Sweden - 15
Austria - 14
Bulgaria - 14
Estonia - 14
Germany - 14
Hungary - 14
Italy - 14
Lichtenstein - 14
Portugal - 14
I don't know where you get your information from but you probably need to fact check it more closely rather than just believe it because it's an anti-EU site. |
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"Has anyone checked the ages of sexual consent in the other 27 countries that make up the EEA ?
Teen age prostitutes from The EEA regularly travel to the UK to earn big money for their traffickers . If a man had sex with a 14 year old in this country they would go to prison for a long time and be on the sex offenders register. However in virtually all of the EEA it is not illegal.
That's simply not true. Firstly there are more than 27 other countries in EEA and the age of consent is between 17 and 14 with only 8 being 14.
Also, under pressure from the EU Council, most countries in Europe now have binding legal obligations in regard to the sexual abuse of children under 18. The Lanzarote Convention, which came into effect in 2011, obligates the countries that ratify it to criminalize certain acts concerning children under 18, such as the involvement of such children in prostitution and pornography.
Age of consent across the EEA.
Cyprus - 17
Ireland - 17
Belgium - 16
Finland - 16
Latvia - 16
Lithuania - 16
Luxembourg - 16
Malta - 16
Netherlands - 16
Norway - 16
Spain - 16
Switzerland - 16
United Kingdom - 16
Croatia - 15
Czech Republic - 15
Denmark - 15
France - 15
Greece - 15
Iceland - 15
Poland - 15
Romania - 15
Slovakia - 15
Slovenia - 15
Sweden - 15
Austria - 14
Bulgaria - 14
Estonia - 14
Germany - 14
Hungary - 14
Italy - 14
Lichtenstein - 14
Portugal - 14
I don't know where you get your information from but you probably need to fact check it more closely rather than just believe it because it's an anti-EU site."
#alternative facts
But it just shows how facts can be distorted! Yes 8 countries allow 14 yr olds to have legal sex but ages differ between all the soverign countries who make their own laws! |
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So this is like your claim that uk drivers would need a different IDL for every eu countr, only in your imagination
no.... what i pointed out was for example if you were driving from the uk to spain for example you would need 2 different IDL, as the one for france is different than they one for spain...
and i am betting that people would get caught out by little things like that!"
Absolutely correct one country is Geneva convention and one the Vienna convention - must admit it would be useful to have one convention which covered the lot! |
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"As anyone knows that have made that crossing from Dover to Calais - once you arrive on French soil and see the barracades along the roads, gendarmes/CRS with machine guns and the numbers of migrants roaming around - it certainly puts you off stopping in Calais and no doubt the locals would be only too happy to get their town back! Can you imagine such structures in Kent?
As someone who has frequently made the Dover Calais crossing there's no more barricades around the port than there are at Dover or any other harbour or airport for that matter, no more Police Nationale or Gendarmerie than you see in Paris and certainly no 'numbers of migrants roaming around'."
You must be crossing to a different Calais than the one I cross to. |
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"As anyone knows that have made that crossing from Dover to Calais - once you arrive on French soil and see the barracades along the roads, gendarmes/CRS with machine guns and the numbers of migrants roaming around - it certainly puts you off stopping in Calais and no doubt the locals would be only too happy to get their town back! Can you imagine such structures in Kent?
As someone who has frequently made the Dover Calais crossing there's no more barricades around the port than there are at Dover or any other harbour or airport for that matter, no more Police Nationale or Gendarmerie than you see in Paris and certainly no 'numbers of migrants roaming around'."
I based my quote on my last trip this March. It may have changed since then and they have dismantled the barracades, I had stayed in a Calais hotel and at a restaurant there was a table of about 40 Gendarmes having dinner before their shift. I saw their vans and police cars parked in a hotel (St Piere) district of Calais and I saw migrants near the dual carriageway to the port! But that was about 7pm in March 2018 - so it may not be the case now! |
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When a storm sweeps in here in the islands the shops are so quickly empty, just one or two ferries cancelled or delayed makes for shortages, what happens when a few hundred or dare I say a few thousand trucks are held up by say 10 mins at a time down in Dover and other ports. |
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"When a storm sweeps in here in the islands the shops are so quickly empty, just one or two ferries cancelled or delayed makes for shortages, what happens when a few hundred or dare I say a few thousand trucks are held up by say 10 mins at a time down in Dover and other ports."
People will have to get used to eating turnips (a lot) |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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Daily Mash.
THE European Union has praised Britain for the calm, efficient way it has dealt with Brexit.
European leaders and EU officials stressed that negotiating with their British counterparts was always a joy because they show such maturity, intelligence and organisation.
A French government spokesman said: “We’re sure that if and when you actually have a government and a prime minister everything will be fine.
“I have no doubt your parliament will then ratify any agreements, assuming it hasn’t resigned en masse and emigrated to New Zealand.”
A Labour Party spokesman said: “This is my first day. I seem to be the only person here. How does this work? Do you ask me questions?”
Meanwhile, a Downing Street spokesman said: “I don’t care about anything anymore.” |
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"Daily Mash.
THE European Union has praised Britain for the calm, efficient way it has dealt with Brexit.
European leaders and EU officials stressed that negotiating with their British counterparts was always a joy because they show such maturity, intelligence and organisation.
A French government spokesman said: “We’re sure that if and when you actually have a government and a prime minister everything will be fine.
“I have no doubt your parliament will then ratify any agreements, assuming it hasn’t resigned en masse and emigrated to New Zealand.”
A Labour Party spokesman said: “This is my first day. I seem to be the only person here. How does this work? Do you ask me questions?”
Meanwhile, a Downing Street spokesman said: “I don’t care about anything anymore.”"
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Daily Mash.
THE European Union has praised Britain for the calm, efficient way it has dealt with Brexit.
European leaders and EU officials stressed that negotiating with their British counterparts was always a joy because they show such maturity, intelligence and organisation.
A French government spokesman said: “We’re sure that if and when you actually have a government and a prime minister everything will be fine.
“I have no doubt your parliament will then ratify any agreements, assuming it hasn’t resigned en masse and emigrated to New Zealand.”
A Labour Party spokesman said: “This is my first day. I seem to be the only person here. How does this work? Do you ask me questions?”
Meanwhile, a Downing Street spokesman said: “I don’t care about anything anymore.”"
superb... the mash and the onion are fantastic for ripping news to pieces... |
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"i've posted a letter to 'Raab in the Headlines' today ... recorded delivery .... it's map that shows the geographical location of his arse and his elbow .... i shall let the forum know if i receive a reply "
He have resigned. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"i've posted a letter to 'Raab in the Headlines' today ... recorded delivery .... it's map that shows the geographical location of his arse and his elbow .... i shall let the forum know if i receive a reply He have resigned."
The Mash has it covered already:
HAVE you got what it takes to be the next ambitious twat to pick up the poison chalice of Brexit? Take our quiz and find out.
Do you own a sharp suit?
A Brexit secretary must look smart and professional. This will buy you time before everyone realises you’re a bit dense with a crap 2:2 in English from Oxford.
Do you like doing things you later regret?
Maybe you insist on going to parties that are clearly going to be shit then wish you’d stayed at home eating crisps? Or perhaps you once put your penis in a vacuum cleaner and had to go to A&E? You could be Brexit minister material.
Are you all mouth and no trousers?
Do you like sounding off about things but never actually doing anything? This will come in handy when you need to make offensive comments about the EU, eg. “Britain will be making a ‘GREAT ESCAPE’ from the EU! See what I did there?”
Do you like pretending to read things?
Do you carry an impressive-looking novel around but never actually read it? This will be a useful skill when you can’t be arsed to read any Brexit documents then wonder why clever Monsieur Barnier is looking at you like an idiot.
Have you ever bought an Ikea wardrobe and realised you are hopelessly out of your depth?
If you’re not up to the slightly complex task of assembling flat-pack furniture you’re not going to stand a chance with EU regulations. Luckily the government is extremely desperate, so get your job application in now.
If you answered mainly ‘yes’ you could have a great career as Brexit secretary. By which we mean you’ll faff about for a bit then resign when you realise it’s all going wrong and you might get strung from a lamp post at your next constituency surgery. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
Sky News has got its hand on a restricted presentation from the Border Force.
In the event of No Deal, it estimates a reduction in cross-Channel traffic of up to 80 per cent for a period of six months.
Last week, Whitehall instructed its departments to implement its contigency plans and begin stock-piling.
I imagine the public will start doing the same soon, too.
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"Sky News has got its hand on a restricted presentation from the Border Force.
In the event of No Deal, it estimates a reduction in cross-Channel traffic of up to 80 per cent for a period of six months.
Last week, Whitehall instructed its departments to implement its contigency plans and begin stock-piling.
I imagine the public will start doing the same soon, too.
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80% reduction, I'm sure our prominent brexiteer will be happy with the reduction of traffic on our roads that this scenario would bring |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"Sky News has got its hand on a restricted presentation from the Border Force.
In the event of No Deal, it estimates a reduction in cross-Channel traffic of up to 80 per cent for a period of six months.
Last week, Whitehall instructed its departments to implement its contigency plans and begin stock-piling.
I imagine the public will start doing the same soon, too.
80% reduction, I'm sure our prominent brexiteer will be happy with the reduction of traffic on our roads that this scenario would bring "
Well according to dovers latest press release they are not overly concerned, no doubt there will be some issues for a few days while everyone gets used to new systems but it will soon sort itself out. |
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"Sky News has got its hand on a restricted presentation from the Border Force.
In the event of No Deal, it estimates a reduction in cross-Channel traffic of up to 80 per cent for a period of six months.
Last week, Whitehall instructed its departments to implement its contigency plans and begin stock-piling.
I imagine the public will start doing the same soon, too.
80% reduction, I'm sure our prominent brexiteer will be happy with the reduction of traffic on our roads that this scenario would bring
Well according to dovers latest press release they are not overly concerned, no doubt there will be some issues for a few days while everyone gets used to new systems but it will soon sort itself out."
What new systems? There are no new systems! We're tearing up the rule book with nothing to replace it. "Systems" don't magically work themselves out overnight. It has taken two years for the government to arrange precisely nothing. When government does set some rules, it then takes months or years to get the "systems" working.
At the end of march there are only three possibilities:
1. Shut the border completely, nothing in or out until someone works out what and who is allowed in and out, and then implements all the "systems" to make it so.
2. Open the border completely, let everything and anyone in and out with no records of what or who, because we don't know what is allowed and we have no "systems" to keep track of it all. And the EU won't be doing that job for us because we've told them to fuck right off.
3. Keep going with exactly the rules and regulations and "systems" we have now, which means staying in the EU and paying our subs like every other EU country (though we did in fact have a better deal than most other countries), because for those existing "systems" to work we need the cooperation of the EU.
So what do you want? To have nothing and nobody in or out of the country for months or years, to allow anyone and anything into the country unchecked for months or years, or to carry on working as we have been doing.
The current "systems" are not perfect, and not to everyone's liking, but they are infinitely better than every alternative that is possible. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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According to Keir Starmer, Parliament has not even passed the legislation required for HMRC to implement new arrangements from March 30.
There is a queue of legislation building up that needs to be approved by Parliament to ensure UK law functions properly after Brexit.
He cannot see how the Government will get this through in the time that remains.
More news today about 10,000 ferry passengers being told their cross-Channel bookings in April are being shifted to make room for Government-requisitioned space on ferries.
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Sky News has got its hand on a restricted presentation from the Border Force.
In the event of No Deal, it estimates a reduction in cross-Channel traffic of up to 80 per cent for a period of six months.
Last week, Whitehall instructed its departments to implement its contigency plans and begin stock-piling.
I imagine the public will start doing the same soon, too.
80% reduction, I'm sure our prominent brexiteer will be happy with the reduction of traffic on our roads that this scenario would bring
Well according to dovers latest press release they are not overly concerned, no doubt there will be some issues for a few days while everyone gets used to new systems but it will soon sort itself out."
Do you know how many “tariff agents” there are at Dover... answer... not many! Do you know how long it takes to train a tariff agent... long enough! Do you know how thick the wto tariff book is..... having seen one the other day for work, it would honestly make your eyes water |
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"Sky News has got its hand on a restricted presentation from the Border Force.
In the event of No Deal, it estimates a reduction in cross-Channel traffic of up to 80 per cent for a period of six months.
Last week, Whitehall instructed its departments to implement its contigency plans and begin stock-piling.
I imagine the public will start doing the same soon, too.
80% reduction, I'm sure our prominent brexiteer will be happy with the reduction of traffic on our roads that this scenario would bring
Well according to dovers latest press release they are not overly concerned, no doubt there will be some issues for a few days while everyone gets used to new systems but it will soon sort itself out.
Do you know how many “tariff agents” there are at Dover... answer... not many! Do you know how long it takes to train a tariff agent... long enough! Do you know how thick the wto tariff book is..... having seen one the other day for work, it would honestly make your eyes water"
Fabio...do you know how many new freight agent recruits there are in Dover....loads (mostly ex/retired Revenue and Customs staff)?
Did you know that the older and upcoming processing systems are computerised and not in large ledgers?
Did you know that the thousands of tariff codes mirror the commodity codes used for compulsory Intrastat declarations?
Admittedly each clearance will take on average,10 minutes which will create some pressure if everything is done solely at arrival in Dover as opposed to online in advance of arrival. However the number (100's) of Revenue and Customs staff/ Border Force staff recruited in the Western Docks should help to mitigate this.
I am always interested in your viewpoint, often very accurate but in this case, your conclusions have not taken all factors into account. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"They'll probably end up just waving every lorry through with no checks  "
It's not having control that it's important.
It's being able to have control if we wanted to.
It's vitally important to the daily happiness of every man, woman and child to have this vital freedom  |
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"Fabio...do you know how many new freight agent recruits there are in Dover....loads (mostly ex/retired Revenue and Customs staff)?"
*Sgt Wilson turns to camera and raises an eyebrow* "Do you think that's wise sir?" |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"Sky News has got its hand on a restricted presentation from the Border Force.
In the event of No Deal, it estimates a reduction in cross-Channel traffic of up to 80 per cent for a period of six months.
Last week, Whitehall instructed its departments to implement its contigency plans and begin stock-piling.
I imagine the public will start doing the same soon, too.
80% reduction, I'm sure our prominent brexiteer will be happy with the reduction of traffic on our roads that this scenario would bring
Well according to dovers latest press release they are not overly concerned, no doubt there will be some issues for a few days while everyone gets used to new systems but it will soon sort itself out.
What new systems? There are no new systems! We're tearing up the rule book with nothing to replace it. "Systems" don't magically work themselves out overnight. It has taken two years for the government to arrange precisely nothing. When government does set some rules, it then takes months or years to get the "systems" working.
At the end of march there are only three possibilities:
1. Shut the border completely, nothing in or out until someone works out what and who is allowed in and out, and then implements all the "systems" to make it so.
2. Open the border completely, let everything and anyone in and out with no records of what or who, because we don't know what is allowed and we have no "systems" to keep track of it all. And the EU won't be doing that job for us because we've told them to fuck right off.
3. Keep going with exactly the rules and regulations and "systems" we have now, which means staying in the EU and paying our subs like every other EU country (though we did in fact have a better deal than most other countries), because for those existing "systems" to work we need the cooperation of the EU.
So what do you want? To have nothing and nobody in or out of the country for months or years, to allow anyone and anything into the country unchecked for months or years, or to carry on working as we have been doing.
The current "systems" are not perfect, and not to everyone's liking, but they are infinitely better than every alternative that is possible."
Try doing some research, if dover arent panicing why are you? |
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"Try doing some research, if dover arent panicing why are you?
eeeeeerm
https://www.channel4.com/news/port-of-dover-boss-government-has-given-no-firm-direction-over-border-security-checks"
Port of Dover boss has a history of wanting to facilitate traffic through the port as quickly as possible regardless of the local concerns over port security, which Dover Harbour Board fail to safeguard.
Consequently, his interest is in supporting any alternative to control of traffic in Dover port so that vehicles are off the ferries and onto the A2/A20 within 90 seconds. He has a proven track record of failing to consider wider issues (including moaning about delays post terrorist attacks, moaning about Border Force delaying traffic when looking for drugs, weaponry,etc).
Yes there may be some delays if there is no deal but do not take the word of this man without considering his agenda. He wants fast exits from the port but is not concerned at the cost. He therefore would prefer Remain or any softer outcome than we are faced with. |
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"It is an interesting discussion about it on sky news of how raab didnt know anything about it, with the border check at dover if there would be a hard border. 4 million lorries cross a year and if there is no deal they would need a permit and then it would be a massive traffic jam with the check, it doesnt look good, whats your view, of how no consequences was made?"
Have you ever been through Dover?
Have you ever been to the factory where they make Haribo?
Which country is home to Haribo?
My answers are as follows.
Yes, several times per month over the last eight years or so.
Yes, the factory shop is awesome and even sells those Lindt balls and Ritter bars.
Germany.
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"He won’t reply because he doesn’t know "
I can help him out here....
https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-crisis-govt-analysis-suggests-chaos-at-dover-in-event-of-no-deal-departure-11800263
The "2 day" figure has come from a leaked report by the Dept. for Transport into the consequences of a no deal brexit seen by Sky News, the govt. commissioned this withing the last couple of weeks so they can't say it isn't a new report...
they were saying in a "best case" scenario it would take trucks 2-3hrs....at least 50% of trucks waiting 8hrs at dover to cross... and at a worst case scenario anywhere up to 2 days! |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
Because, basically, it is no longer a single market but two, side by side, two separate jurisdictions, with no legal arrangement in place to facilitate trade, other than the default terms of the WTO.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"He won’t reply because he doesn’t know
I can help him out here....
https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-crisis-govt-analysis-suggests-chaos-at-dover-in-event-of-no-deal-departure-11800263
The "2 day" figure has come from a leaked report by the Dept. for Transport into the consequences of a no deal brexit seen by Sky News, the govt. commissioned this withing the last couple of weeks so they can't say it isn't a new report...
they were saying in a "best case" scenario it would take trucks 2-3hrs....at least 50% of trucks waiting 8hrs at dover to cross... and at a worst case scenario anywhere up to 2 days! "
That is right, that is it what was leaked in the documents. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
There was also a figure that only 15% of hauliers were prepared for the different systems that will apply on Nov 1, hence many of them becoming trapped in port because their paperwork is non-compliant with the post-EU regulations.
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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago
Huddersfield /derby cinemas |
"OP was 43 weeks ago. Does Raab know any more about it now?
Maybe he should read the Get Ready For Brexit leaflet. "
. Since his admission that he was unaware of how important Dover was ,, Raab has also added that he can not envisage a border down the Red Sea with regard to Ireland ,,,,,, ( lol ) ... Although to be fair to Raab . I think this was a genuine slip of the tongue ,, whereas I actually dont think he realised how important Dover was . But even then . Not entirely his fault , he had , at the time just taken over from David Davis as Brexit secretary and I don't think Davis had left him a Map |
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