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over a year ago
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Here’s the problem with politics.
Because you have the vote you believe that you have a say and that you can change what happens.
Democracy is a shadow and a sham. Voting for the politians only encourages them. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Here’s the problem with politics.
Because you have the vote you believe that you have a say and that you can change what happens.
Democracy is a shadow and a sham. Voting for the politians only encourages them. "
Most of the low resolution theorists that inhabit this forum are all doped up on the illusion of democracy.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Here’s the problem with politics.
Because you have the vote you believe that you have a say and that you can change what happens.
Democracy is a shadow and a sham. Voting for the politians only encourages them. "
Russel brand says, casting a ballot represents “tacit complicity” in the crimes of ruling classes.
He has a point.  |
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"Here’s the problem with politics.
Because you have the vote you believe that you have a say and that you can change what happens.
Democracy is a shadow and a sham. Voting for the politians only encourages them.
Russel brand says, casting a ballot represents “tacit complicity” in the crimes of ruling classes.
He has a point. "
The same Russel Brand who encouraged his followers on twitter and YouTube to vote for Ed Miliband in 2015. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Here’s the problem with politics.
Because you have the vote you believe that you have a say and that you can change what happens.
Democracy is a shadow and a sham. Voting for the politians only encourages them.
Russel brand says, casting a ballot represents “tacit complicity” in the crimes of ruling classes.
He has a point.
The same Russel Brand who encouraged his followers on twitter and YouTube to vote for Ed Miliband in 2015. "
Valid point and just proves the point to be fair. Most of the ruling class politians all want some kind of celebrity endorsement. Courting the journalist to give them a fair assessment not realising they are the same kind of people.
Think on this, who actually picked your own mp? You just voted for the same party that you always have because most people are basically sheep, thinking that they are making a difference not having the intellect to realise they are part of the problem
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So to be constructive what system should we have?
I would go for a meritocracy or technocracy.
What is a technocracy?"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"So to be constructive what system should we have?"
Simple do away with any idea of democracy. You take orphans, teach them from birth to rule and take the hard desicions. Some of the desicions that need taking, people would rail against if they knew what was needed.
Do away with regional and national governments. One set of laws the world over. One currency. Do away with passports and let people live where they wish.
You will do away with tin pot idiots. Poverty. You can ensure that science is progressed.
Simple. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So to be constructive what system should we have?
Simple do away with any idea of democracy. You take orphans, teach them from birth to rule and take the hard desicions. Some of the desicions that need taking, people would rail against if they knew what was needed.
Do away with regional and national governments. One set of laws the world over. One currency. Do away with passports and let people live where they wish.
You will do away with tin pot idiots. Poverty. You can ensure that science is progressed.
Simple. "
You'll scare the shit out of the right with talk ot a New World order .
I would we wait for the coming singularity to make all the tough decisions .Humans make poor decisions. |
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"Here’s the problem with politics.
Because you have the vote you believe that you have a say and that you can change what happens.
Democracy is a shadow and a sham. Voting for the politians only encourages them.
Russel brand says, casting a ballot represents “tacit complicity” in the crimes of ruling classes.
He has a point.
The same Russel Brand who encouraged his followers on twitter and YouTube to vote for Ed Miliband in 2015. "
Yeah, same guy who rails against the " elite " yet pays several thousands a month in rent on his flat....another champagne socialist. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So to be constructive what system should we have?"
My son who studied ancient History once told me that the Ancient Greeks had a Lottery system where if you want to represent in their senate or whatever it was you put your name into a big hat.
When you think about it, it's quite a good idea because you would get a totally random representation of a broad spectrum of views. I actually thought it would be quite a good idea for a replacement for the house of lords. |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"So to be constructive what system should we have?
My son who studied ancient History once told me that the Ancient Greeks had a Lottery system where if you want to represent in their senate or whatever it was you put your name into a big hat.
When you think about it, it's quite a good idea because you would get a totally random representation of a broad spectrum of views. I actually thought it would be quite a good idea for a replacement for the house of lords."
Interesting... would it end up like Jury Duty on steroids? Ie a self-selecting group based on the fact the only people who would apply (or whom are not able to 'get out of it') are the very people you'd least like to represent you?
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"So to be constructive what system should we have?
My son who studied ancient History once told me that the Ancient Greeks had a Lottery system where if you want to represent in their senate or whatever it was you put your name into a big hat.
When you think about it, it's quite a good idea because you would get a totally random representation of a broad spectrum of views. I actually thought it would be quite a good idea for a replacement for the house of lords."
So if Nick Griffin and Tommy Robinson's names came out of the hat you would be happy then? |
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"So to be constructive what system should we have?
My son who studied ancient History once told me that the Ancient Greeks had a Lottery system where if you want to represent in their senate or whatever it was you put your name into a big hat.
When you think about it, it's quite a good idea because you would get a totally random representation of a broad spectrum of views. I actually thought it would be quite a good idea for a replacement for the house of lords."
It's an awful idea and one which totally removes one of the main fundamentals of a free society, which is accountability. |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"So to be constructive what system should we have?
My son who studied ancient History once told me that the Ancient Greeks had a Lottery system where if you want to represent in their senate or whatever it was you put your name into a big hat.
When you think about it, it's quite a good idea because you would get a totally random representation of a broad spectrum of views. I actually thought it would be quite a good idea for a replacement for the house of lords.
So if Nick Griffin and Tommy Robinson's names came out of the hat you would be happy then?"
Yes.
-Matt |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So to be constructive what system should we have?
My son who studied ancient History once told me that the Ancient Greeks had a Lottery system where if you want to represent in their senate or whatever it was you put your name into a big hat.
When you think about it, it's quite a good idea because you would get a totally random representation of a broad spectrum of views. I actually thought it would be quite a good idea for a replacement for the house of lords.
It's an awful idea and one which totally removes one of the main fundamentals of a free society, which is accountability. "
What accountability |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Well forgive me for ignorance but isn't Tommy a convicted criminal so he'd be easy to exclude from the lottery LOL. Apologies if I have that Wrong Tommy. I'm sure a balanced list of exclusions could be thought up is my point.
Hey it's just an idea folks. At least we'd have a good chance that the LBGTQ community would have some representation as it's not an elected body so all the usual prejudices would not apply. You could even have a Fab member of parliament  .
Every 5 years you'd have a new lottery anyway so the bad apples could easily be kicked out as unable to reapply for inclusion in the lottery. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Here’s the problem with politics.
Because you have the vote you believe that you have a say and that you can change what happens.
Democracy is a shadow and a sham. Voting for the politians only encourages them.
Russel brand says, casting a ballot represents “tacit complicity” in the crimes of ruling classes.
He has a point. "
Russell Brand has always had a point....on the top of his head! |
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"Well forgive me for ignorance but isn't Tommy a convicted criminal so he'd be easy to exclude from the lottery LOL. Apologies if I have that Wrong Tommy. I'm sure a balanced list of exclusions could be thought up is my point.
Hey it's just an idea folks. At least we'd have a good chance that the LBGTQ community would have some representation as it's not an elected body so all the usual prejudices would not apply. You could even have a Fab member of parliament .
Every 5 years you'd have a new lottery anyway so the bad apples could easily be kicked out as unable to reapply for inclusion in the lottery. "
Firstly we have a pretty high representation of the LBGTQ community in parliament already. Probably a lot higher than most people realise and it's been there for a lot longer than most would think too.
Secondly who decides, out of those that won the lottery last time, who are the bad apples.
Thirdly. How do you know there isn't a member of parliament already that is a member of Fab. There's definitely past and current elected officials who are. I know that for a fact. |
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"So to be constructive what system should we have?
My son who studied ancient History once told me that the Ancient Greeks had a Lottery system where if you want to represent in their senate or whatever it was you put your name into a big hat.
When you think about it, it's quite a good idea because you would get a totally random representation of a broad spectrum of views. I actually thought it would be quite a good idea for a replacement for the house of lords.
So if Nick Griffin and Tommy Robinson's names came out of the hat you would be happy then?
Yes.
-Matt"
Seriously? Or have I misread your yes? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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It's just a suggestion that has it's merits. There is precedent in that we have a Jury system as a previous post said.
Oh I know we could go on and on about it but how accountable is the house of lords. They are a totally unelected bunch with a job for life as long as they turn up now and again. It's so not in their interest to upset the House of Parliament as if the cause too much bother they will be abolished. We have too many elections anyway so electing a second chamber is not the answer. |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"So to be constructive what system should we have?
My son who studied ancient History once told me that the Ancient Greeks had a Lottery system where if you want to represent in their senate or whatever it was you put your name into a big hat.
When you think about it, it's quite a good idea because you would get a totally random representation of a broad spectrum of views. I actually thought it would be quite a good idea for a replacement for the house of lords.
So if Nick Griffin and Tommy Robinson's names came out of the hat you would be happy then?
Yes.
-Matt
Seriously? Or have I misread your yes?"
Well to be honest, I'd overlooked the 'he is a criminal' part of it. Which might be grounds to exclude people. That said, it doesn't seem to exclude the current representatives.
It does amuse me that the papers are reporting today that he has had his US visa denied because he has previously been caught trying to enter the US under a false name.
If it is a truly random lottery of who gets in then I see no problem with him getting in. I hate the bloke and all he stands for, but if we want a random sample of people and he turns up in it, then that's the deal. You could equally end up with a Stephen on the complete opposite end of the spectrum to him... Stephen Fry for example.
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"It's just a suggestion that has it's merits. There is precedent in that we have a Jury system as a previous post said.
Oh I know we could go on and on about it but how accountable is the house of lords. They are a totally unelected bunch with a job for life as long as they turn up now and again. It's so not in their interest to upset the House of Parliament as if the cause too much bother they will be abolished. We have too many elections anyway so electing a second chamber is not the answer."
The system you're talking about is known as Sortition as is used to select juries now.
Personally, because of the lack of accountability, I would not support it for forming the main legislative body (in UK the House of Commons) or any legislative role. However I can see some merit in using it to form small select groups to enquire into a given matter and pass its findings back to an elected legislative body to make the final decision.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"So to be constructive what system should we have?
My son who studied ancient History once told me that the Ancient Greeks had a Lottery system where if you want to represent in their senate or whatever it was you put your name into a big hat.
When you think about it, it's quite a good idea because you would get a totally random representation of a broad spectrum of views. I actually thought it would be quite a good idea for a replacement for the house of lords.
So if Nick Griffin and Tommy Robinson's names came out of the hat you would be happy then?"
The benefits of democracy I'm afraid to say. think about adolf hitler. He was voted into office. |
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