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"Still the people that run the eu are just brilliant at the job they do ...aye" What an asinine thing to say. I'm sure I don't need to point out to you, that is was the UK that decided to leave? Rather at least you and you leave buddies decided to leave. And at every turn are demonstrating you haven't a clue what you voted for, what you are doing, what would be best for the country, or how you are going to get there. -Matt | |||
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"Still the people that run the eu are just brilliant at the job they do ...aye" There probably are some brilliant people in the Eu, including us as we're still there.. Even the average person in the EU will look at what the Op has posted and may think 'what the fuck are they doing'..  | |||
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"For the Brexiters who don’t know who Dominic Raab is, he is the Secretary of State for Brexit. He is the go to guy for all things Brexit in The Govt. It is often alleged that Brexit is a poorly thought out strategy presided over by people incapable of multi dimensional thought processes and who therefore come up a little short when it comes to facts. It must therefore have been music to the ears of Brexiters when last night Dominic Raab admitted that he didn’t realise just how important the Dover - Calais link was. Yes, he said that Wednesday evening in a speech to a tech audience whilst trying to justify the Govts performance in trying to keep this link open and free flowing. Way to go Dominic - proving yer again that the people pushing the Brexit agenda have not got a fucking clue. Blue passports "yes to- hot look at the positives tho like you said yesterday on another forum if we have to buy visas for travel in Europe it mite keep out the chavs and plebs in the tourist resorts so it’s a massive plus for someone like you the isn’t it you won’t see asmany common folk after march | |||
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"Still the people that run the eu are just brilliant at the job they do ...aye" You seem to be implying they are also piss poor at their jobs. If this is the case, thank fuck they are not better at them! Because for a bunch of incompetents they sure seem to be consistent in their message and able to run rings round the Tory brexit team without moving. | |||
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"For the Brexiters who don’t know who Dominic Raab is, he is the Secretary of State for Brexit. He is the go to guy for all things Brexit in The Govt. It is often alleged that Brexit is a poorly thought out strategy presided over by people incapable of multi dimensional thought processes and who therefore come up a little short when it comes to facts. It must therefore have been music to the ears of Brexiters when last night Dominic Raab admitted that he didn’t realise just how important the Dover - Calais link was. Yes, he said that Wednesday evening in a speech to a tech audience whilst trying to justify the Govts performance in trying to keep this link open and free flowing. Way to go Dominic - proving yer again that the people pushing the Brexit agenda have not got a fucking clue. Blue passports yes to- hot look at the positives tho like you said yesterday on another forum if we have to buy visas for travel in Europe it mite keep out the chavs and plebs in the tourist resorts so it’s a massive plus for someone like you the isn’t it you won’t see asmany common folk after march "It is very important that the oiks and riff raff are kept in their place. Normally, going to a private school, speaking with a plum in your mouth and having a couple of £billion in the bank is enough to get the common folk to believe anything that is said - and guess what..,. The bigger the lie the more the riff raff swallow it. Brexit QED | |||
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"For the Brexiters who don’t know who Dominic Raab is, he is the Secretary of State for Brexit. He is the go to guy for all things Brexit in The Govt. It is often alleged that Brexit is a poorly thought out strategy presided over by people incapable of multi dimensional thought processes and who therefore come up a little short when it comes to facts. It must therefore have been music to the ears of Brexiters when last night Dominic Raab admitted that he didn’t realise just how important the Dover - Calais link was. Yes, he said that Wednesday evening in a speech to a tech audience whilst trying to justify the Govts performance in trying to keep this link open and free flowing. Way to go Dominic - proving yer again that the people pushing the Brexit agenda have not got a fucking clue. Blue passports yes to- hot look at the positives tho like you said yesterday on another forum if we have to buy visas for travel in Europe it mite keep out the chavs and plebs in the tourist resorts so it’s a massive plus for someone like you the isn’t it you won’t see asmany common folk after march
It is very important that the oiks and riff raff are kept in their place.
Normally, going to a private school, speaking with a plum in your mouth and having a couple of £billion in the bank is enough to get the common folk to believe anything that is said - and guess what..,. The bigger the lie the more the riff raff swallow it.
Brexit QED"aw you mean the riff raff you were saying yesterday that if we need the pay for a visa to travel to Europe the extra spend will keep down the chavs and plebs them riff raff you mean lol | |||
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"Funny I thought the biggest private school educated, silver spooned, posh boys with billions in the bank during the referendum were remainers Cameron and Osborne, and the common folk didn't swallow the bullshit they came out with. " No mate. That's me. 
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"Still the people that run the eu are just brilliant at the job they do ...aye" Said the man who wants to retire in France which is in the EU??? | |||
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"For the Brexiters who don’t know who Dominic Raab is, he is the Secretary of State for Brexit. He is the go to guy for all things Brexit in The Govt. It is often alleged that Brexit is a poorly thought out strategy presided over by people incapable of multi dimensional thought processes and who therefore come up a little short when it comes to facts. It must therefore have been music to the ears of Brexiters when last night Dominic Raab admitted that he didn’t realise just how important the Dover - Calais link was. Yes, he said that Wednesday evening in a speech to a tech audience whilst trying to justify the Govts performance in trying to keep this link open and free flowing. Way to go Dominic - proving yer again that the people pushing the Brexit agenda have not got a fucking clue. Blue passports yes to- hot look at the positives tho like you said yesterday on another forum if we have to buy visas for travel in Europe it mite keep out the chavs and plebs in the tourist resorts so it’s a massive plus for someone like you the isn’t it you won’t see asmany common folk after march
It is very important that the oiks and riff raff are kept in their place.
Normally, going to a private school, speaking with a plum in your mouth and having a couple of £billion in the bank is enough to get the common folk to believe anything that is said - and guess what..,. The bigger the lie the more the riff raff swallow it.
Brexit QED aw you mean the riff raff you were saying yesterday that if we need the pay for a visa to travel to Europe the extra spend will keep down the chavs and plebs them riff raff you mean lol"Exactly. | |||
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"For the Brexiters who don’t know who Dominic Raab is, he is the Secretary of State for Brexit. He is the go to guy for all things Brexit in The Govt. It is often alleged that Brexit is a poorly thought out strategy presided over by people incapable of multi dimensional thought processes and who therefore come up a little short when it comes to facts. It must therefore have been music to the ears of Brexiters when last night Dominic Raab admitted that he didn’t realise just how important the Dover - Calais link was. Yes, he said that Wednesday evening in a speech to a tech audience whilst trying to justify the Govts performance in trying to keep this link open and free flowing. Way to go Dominic - proving yer again that the people pushing the Brexit agenda have not got a fucking clue. Blue passports yes to- hot look at the positives tho like you said yesterday on another forum if we have to buy visas for travel in Europe it mite keep out the chavs and plebs in the tourist resorts so it’s a massive plus for someone like you the isn’t it you won’t see asmany common folk after march
It is very important that the oiks and riff raff are kept in their place.
Normally, going to a private school, speaking with a plum in your mouth and having a couple of £billion in the bank is enough to get the common folk to believe anything that is said - and guess what..,. The bigger the lie the more the riff raff swallow it.
Brexit QED aw you mean the riff raff you were saying yesterday that if we need the pay for a visa to travel to Europe the extra spend will keep down the chavs and plebs them riff raff you mean lol
Exactly.thin you may want to change your profile mate it says you are lovers not haters don’t meet ppl who are divisive or tolerant lol be honest your just up your own arse mate "For goodness sake. Snowflake central in here at the moment. I have done you a favour and blocked you so you don’t have to be all offended and angry at reading our profile. | |||
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"We had a choice. One side urged us to stop being guided by people who knew what they were talking about, a.k.a. experts. That side won. So now we are guided by people who do not know what they are talking about, a.k.a. amateurs. " Dominic Raab’s Predecessor is David Davis - another legend in the minds of many Brexiters. This is the man who caved at the first Brexit meeting and is the one who signed off on the Irish backstop wording in Phase 1 last December. The very clause that is nowtying the U.K. Govt up in knots. Yet some think he is Prime Minister material!!! We are being led to the abyss by donkeys. | |||
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"It's one thing to know you are not up to the job. Unconscious incompetence is something altogether different. We seem to be living in an era of political ambition greatly exceeding political ability. " Who is up to the job..Where are the great minds? | |||
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"We had a choice. One side urged us to stop being guided by people who knew what they were talking about, a.k.a. experts. That side won. So now we are guided by people who do not know what they are talking about, a.k.a. amateurs. " You seem to be forgetting Theresa May was a remainer and her chief Brexit advisor Olly Robbins is also a swivel eyed Remainiac. The Chancellor Philip Hammond is also a remainer, so we are being guided by people at the very top of government who are remainers. I agree they look amateurish, and should stand aside for a real Brexiter to take over as Prime minister, who can put a Brexiter chancellor in the treasury as well. If we had people who actually believed in Brexit running the country as opposed to May, Robbins and Hammond we may actually start getting somewhere in these negotiations. | |||
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"We had a choice. One side urged us to stop being guided by people who knew what they were talking about, a.k.a. experts. That side won. So now we are guided by people who do not know what they are talking about, a.k.a. amateurs. You seem to be forgetting Theresa May was a remainer and her chief Brexit advisor Olly Robbins is also a swivel eyed Remainiac. The Chancellor Philip Hammond is also a remainer, so we are being guided by people at the very top of government who are remainers. I agree they look amateurish, and should stand aside for a real Brexiter to take over as Prime minister, who can put a Brexiter chancellor in the treasury as well. If we had people who actually believed in Brexit running the country as opposed to May, Robbins and Hammond we may actually start getting somewhere in these negotiations. " Leavers in chief Johnson and Davis had key roles in Brexit negotiations until, you may recall, they ran away when reality collided with theur fantasies. They created this shit storm and are utterly contemptible for running away from it when the going got tough. | |||
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"For the Brexiters who don’t know who Dominic Raab is, he is the Secretary of State for Brexit. He is the go to guy for all things Brexit in The Govt. It is often alleged that Brexit is a poorly thought out strategy presided over by people incapable of multi dimensional thought processes and who therefore come up a little short when it comes to facts. It must therefore have been music to the ears of Brexiters when last night Dominic Raab admitted that he didn’t realise just how important the Dover - Calais link was. Yes, he said that Wednesday evening in a speech to a tech audience whilst trying to justify the Govts performance in trying to keep this link open and free flowing. Way to go Dominic - proving yer again that the people pushing the Brexit agenda have not got a fucking clue. Blue passports "I read the report.... i just laughed! its not like people weren't warning them.... then reality just slapped people square in the face! oh well, onwards and upwards.... so what were johnson, and davies, and fox, and raab, and steve baker, doing all this time! they were all in government and went along with everything!! when they saw the shit they created they we like rats leaving a sinking ship... couldn't move quick enough!!! | |||
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"These brexit experts, the ones like Boris, Davis etc who said there was a plan on the way from the Erg seem to have gone quiet of late.. Are they saving their voices for some filibustering to derail things when the debate takes place..? " this is the same ERG that didn't want any of the "technical notices" to be made public... they said it would just "scare the public" | |||
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"I . . .and should stand aside for a real Brexiter to take over as Prime minister, who can put a Brexiter chancellor in the treasury as well. If we had people who actually believed in Brexit running the country as opposed to May, Robbins and Hammond we may actually start getting somewhere in these negotiations. " Who would be PM and Chancellor in your Brexit Government? | |||
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"I . . .and should stand aside for a real Brexiter to take over as Prime minister, who can put a Brexiter chancellor in the treasury as well. If we had people who actually believed in Brexit running the country as opposed to May, Robbins and Hammond we may actually start getting somewhere in these negotiations. Who would be PM and Chancellor in your Brexit Government? " Now this will be entertaining  | |||
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"We had a choice. One side urged us to stop being guided by people who knew what they were talking about, a.k.a. experts. That side won. So now we are guided by people who do not know what they are talking about, a.k.a. amateurs. You seem to be forgetting Theresa May was a remainer and her chief Brexit advisor Olly Robbins is also a swivel eyed Remainiac. The Chancellor Philip Hammond is also a remainer, so we are being guided by people at the very top of government who are remainers. I agree they look amateurish, and should stand aside for a real Brexiter to take over as Prime minister, who can put a Brexiter chancellor in the treasury as well. If we had people who actually believed in Brexit running the country as opposed to May, Robbins and Hammond we may actually start getting somewhere in these negotiations. Leavers in chief Johnson and Davis had key roles in Brexit negotiations until, you may recall, they ran away when reality collided with theur fantasies. They created this shit storm and are utterly contemptible for running away from it when the going got tough. " All the time Davis was Brexit secretary and Steve Baker his assistant Theresa May was taking secret advice from Olly Robbins, and while Davis and Baker were working towards leaving the EU, Theresa May and Olly Robbins had concocted the woeful Chequers plan behind their backs. Theresa May sprang the chequers plan on the cabinet at the chequers meeting last summer out of the blue. No wonder Davis resigned the next day along with Steve Baker as it's pretty clear Theresa May had been secretly dismissing what they'd been working on all along in favour of her own Chequers plan. Not surprised Bojo resigned at that point either as the Chequers plan is a blatant sell out and monumental betrayal of Brexit. All of this is public knowledge and it's all out in the open about what went on. Davis, Bojo and Baker (along with the ERG) will have their revenge though as I honestly think the Chequers plan will be voted against in Parliament, Chequers is nothing more than an attempted stitch up by May and the EU. | |||
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"These brexit experts, the ones like Boris, Davis etc who said there was a plan on the way from the Erg seem to have gone quiet of late.. Are they saving their voices for some filibustering to derail things when the debate takes place..? " The ERG made a public press conference quite a few weeks ago detailing their plan for a Canada plus style free trade agreement with the EU, and also addressed solutions to the Irish border along with it. It was live on sky news and the BBC at the time. Michel Barnier said Chequers was not workable and the UK should either go for the Norway option or the Canada option. The ERG chose the Canada option. | |||
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"We had a choice. One side urged us to stop being guided by people who knew what they were talking about, a.k.a. experts. That side won. So now we are guided by people who do not know what they are talking about, a.k.a. amateurs. You seem to be forgetting Theresa May was a remainer and her chief Brexit advisor Olly Robbins is also a swivel eyed Remainiac. The Chancellor Philip Hammond is also a remainer, so we are being guided by people at the very top of government who are remainers. I agree they look amateurish, and should stand aside for a real Brexiter to take over as Prime minister, who can put a Brexiter chancellor in the treasury as well. If we had people who actually believed in Brexit running the country as opposed to May, Robbins and Hammond we may actually start getting somewhere in these negotiations. Leavers in chief Johnson and Davis had key roles in Brexit negotiations until, you may recall, they ran away when reality collided with theur fantasies. They created this shit storm and are utterly contemptible for running away from it when the going got tough. All the time Davis was Brexit secretary and Steve Baker his assistant Theresa May was taking secret advice from Olly Robbins, and while Davis and Baker were working towards leaving the EU, Theresa May and Olly Robbins had concocted the woeful Chequers plan behind their backs. Theresa May sprang the chequers plan on the cabinet at the chequers meeting last summer out of the blue. No wonder Davis resigned the next day along with Steve Baker as it's pretty clear Theresa May had been secretly dismissing what they'd been working on all along in favour of her own Chequers plan. Not surprised Bojo resigned at that point either as the Chequers plan is a blatant sell out and monumental betrayal of Brexit. All of this is public knowledge and it's all out in the open about what went on. Davis, Bojo and Baker (along with the ERG) will have their revenge though as I honestly think the Chequers plan will be voted against in Parliament, Chequers is nothing more than an attempted stitch up by May and the EU. " Once upon a time..... Isn't that how all good story's start ? | |||
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"I . . .and should stand aside for a real Brexiter to take over as Prime minister, who can put a Brexiter chancellor in the treasury as well. If we had people who actually believed in Brexit running the country as opposed to May, Robbins and Hammond we may actually start getting somewhere in these negotiations. Who would be PM and Chancellor in your Brexit Government? " After recent weeks I think the dark horse for Prime minister is MP Geoffrey Cox QC. He is a brilliant lawyer and supported leave during the referendum. He currently holds the position of Attorney General in the cabinet and has been a check on the legal structures surrounding Brexit, he's also been a check on Theresa May pointing out legal flaws in her Chequers plan. As for chancellor I'd go with Michael Gove, he's brought in reforms as Justice secretary and also been quite radical as environment secretary in what he's proposed. He would have the radical vision needed to put the money in the right areas to make Brexit a success unlike dull and boring Hammond. | |||
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"I can't work out why people don't like the Tories. If labour were in power we'd have a plan in place for a successful brexit, rather than the Tories "oopsie, seem to have fucked it up, best we stay eh?".. "Because a Labour Brexit would be a worse sell out than Chequers is. Labour would keep us in the customs union (a Norway style option). Still paying a membership style fee to the EU each year and unable to do our own trade deals. | |||
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"Funny I thought the biggest private school educated, silver spooned, posh boys with billions in the bank during the referendum were remainers Cameron and Osborne, and the common folk didn't swallow the bullshit they came out with. " Yeah, because Bojo, JRM and Farage are all "men of the people". And you've swallowed their bullshit hook, line and sinker. | |||
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"I can't work out why people don't like the Tories. If labour were in power we'd have a plan in place for a successful brexit, rather than the Tories "oopsie, seem to have fucked it up, best we stay eh?"..
Because a Labour Brexit would be a worse sell out than Chequers is. Labour would keep us in the customs union (a Norway style option). Still paying a membership style fee to the EU each year and unable to do our own trade deals. "So better off than we’re likely to end up with the Tories. | |||
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"I can't work out why people don't like the Tories. If labour were in power we'd have a plan in place for a successful brexit, rather than the Tories "oopsie, seem to have fucked it up, best we stay eh?"..
Because a Labour Brexit would be a worse sell out than Chequers is. Labour would keep us in the customs union (a Norway style option). Still paying a membership style fee to the EU each year and unable to do our own trade deals. "I'm still expecting the Tories to keep us in. they have too much to lose. Even they will choose their own wealth over being re-elected. | |||
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"I . . .and should stand aside for a real Brexiter to take over as Prime minister, who can put a Brexiter chancellor in the treasury as well. If we had people who actually believed in Brexit running the country as opposed to May, Robbins and Hammond we may actually start getting somewhere in these negotiations. Who would be PM and Chancellor in your Brexit Government? After recent weeks I think the dark horse for Prime minister is MP Geoffrey Cox QC. He is a brilliant lawyer and supported leave during the referendum. He currently holds the position of Attorney General in the cabinet and has been a check on the legal structures surrounding Brexit, he's also been a check on Theresa May pointing out legal flaws in her Chequers plan. As for chancellor I'd go with Michael Gove, he's brought in reforms as Justice secretary and also been quite radical as environment secretary in what he's proposed. He would have the radical vision needed to put the money in the right areas to make Brexit a success unlike dull and boring Hammond. " Funny how you've never mentioned him until the news stories yesterday on the radio of "the most important MP you've never heard of" were broadcast. So Theresa May no longer your favourite anymore, now she is making such a cockup of it all. You were kissing the ground she walked on back when she did her Somerset House presentation of meaningless waffle. -Matt | |||
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"I . . .and should stand aside for a real Brexiter to take over as Prime minister, who can put a Brexiter chancellor in the treasury as well. If we had people who actually believed in Brexit running the country as opposed to May, Robbins and Hammond we may actually start getting somewhere in these negotiations. Who would be PM and Chancellor in your Brexit Government? After recent weeks I think the dark horse for Prime minister is MP Geoffrey Cox QC. He is a brilliant lawyer and supported leave during the referendum. He currently holds the position of Attorney General in the cabinet and has been a check on the legal structures surrounding Brexit, he's also been a check on Theresa May pointing out legal flaws in her Chequers plan. As for chancellor I'd go with Michael Gove, he's brought in reforms as Justice secretary and also been quite radical as environment secretary in what he's proposed. He would have the radical vision needed to put the money in the right areas to make Brexit a success unlike dull and boring Hammond. Funny how you've never mentioned him until the news stories yesterday on the radio of "the most important MP you've never heard of" were broadcast. So Theresa May no longer your favourite anymore, now she is making such a cockup of it all. You were kissing the ground she walked on back when she did her Somerset House presentation of meaningless waffle. -Matt" She has gone back on what she promised for Brexit in her Lancaster house speech, I supported her vision of Brexit at the time she made that speech, it's a pity she has completely abandoned it in favour of Chequers. Lesson learned, you can't trust a remainer to keep to their word. | |||
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"I . . .and should stand aside for a real Brexiter to take over as Prime minister, who can put a Brexiter chancellor in the treasury as well. If we had people who actually believed in Brexit running the country as opposed to May, Robbins and Hammond we may actually start getting somewhere in these negotiations. Who would be PM and Chancellor in your Brexit Government? After recent weeks I think the dark horse for Prime minister is MP Geoffrey Cox QC. He is a brilliant lawyer and supported leave during the referendum. He currently holds the position of Attorney General in the cabinet and has been a check on the legal structures surrounding Brexit, he's also been a check on Theresa May pointing out legal flaws in her Chequers plan. As for chancellor I'd go with Michael Gove, he's brought in reforms as Justice secretary and also been quite radical as environment secretary in what he's proposed. He would have the radical vision needed to put the money in the right areas to make Brexit a success unlike dull and boring Hammond. Funny how you've never mentioned him until the news stories yesterday on the radio of "the most important MP you've never heard of" were broadcast. So Theresa May no longer your favourite anymore, now she is making such a cockup of it all. You were kissing the ground she walked on back when she did her Somerset House presentation of meaningless waffle. -Matt She has gone back on what she promised for Brexit in her Lancaster house speech, I supported her vision of Brexit at the time she made that speech, it's a pity she has completely abandoned it in favour of Chequers. Lesson learned, you can't trust a remainer to keep to their word. " Shame, i wanted to see a red white and blue brexit.  | |||
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"I can't work out why people don't like the Tories. If labour were in power we'd have a plan in place for a successful brexit, rather than the Tories "oopsie, seem to have fucked it up, best we stay eh?"..
Because a Labour Brexit would be a worse sell out than Chequers is. Labour would keep us in the customs union (a Norway style option). Still paying a membership style fee to the EU each year and unable to do our own trade deals.
I'm still expecting the Tories to keep us in. they have too much to lose. Even they will choose their own wealth over being re-elected. "I agree in part I think Theresa May will try to keep us in a customs union of sorts, she's already sold Brexit out with Chequers anyway. Whether she gets it voted through Parliament is another matter. And if the tories do sell Brexit down the river they will face a backlash from the public the like of which has never been seen before. | |||
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"It's one thing to know you are not up to the job. Unconscious incompetence is something altogether different. We seem to be living in an era of political ambition greatly exceeding political ability. " The Dunning–Kruger effect par excellence is shown by the conservative dimwits. Sadly their dire limitations and their wilful resistance to help appoint appropriately skilled people into positions of huge importance, have massive negative implications for the bulk of UK citizens. | |||
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"I . . .and should stand aside for a real Brexiter to take over as Prime minister, who can put a Brexiter chancellor in the treasury as well. If we had people who actually believed in Brexit running the country as opposed to May, Robbins and Hammond we may actually start getting somewhere in these negotiations. Who would be PM and Chancellor in your Brexit Government? After recent weeks I think the dark horse for Prime minister is MP Geoffrey Cox QC. He is a brilliant lawyer and supported leave during the referendum. He currently holds the position of Attorney General in the cabinet and has been a check on the legal structures surrounding Brexit, he's also been a check on Theresa May pointing out legal flaws in her Chequers plan. As for chancellor I'd go with Michael Gove, he's brought in reforms as Justice secretary and also been quite radical as environment secretary in what he's proposed. He would have the radical vision needed to put the money in the right areas to make Brexit a success unlike dull and boring Hammond. " Comic gold. Gove has the opposite of the Midas touch.....Education, Environment, Justice.....wtf has he actually achieved? (Here's a clue: the square root of damn all) | |||
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"It's one thing to know you are not up to the job. Unconscious incompetence is something altogether different. We seem to be living in an era of political ambition greatly exceeding political ability. The Dunning–Kruger effect par excellence is shown by the conservative dimwits. Sadly their dire limitations and their wilful resistance to help appoint appropriately skilled people into positions of huge importance, have massive negative implications for the bulk of UK citizens. " Raab and his predecessor Davis are textbook examples of Dunning-Kruger. Which would be fine, were they not to have been key players in the Brexit process. It would be comical were it not so important to the future of the nation | |||
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" Because a Labour Brexit would be a worse sell out than Chequers is. Labour would keep us in the customs union (a Norway style option). Still paying a membership style fee to the EU each year and unable to do our own trade deals. " Yup, who needs the buying power of a supermarket chain when you can be the corner shop, eh? | |||
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" Because a Labour Brexit would be a worse sell out than Chequers is. Labour would keep us in the customs union (a Norway style option). Still paying a membership style fee to the EU each year and unable to do our own trade deals. Yup, who needs the buying power of a supermarket chain when you can be the corner shop, eh? " If you're going to use the supermarket analogy then I'd say the EU is like Tesco or Sainsbury, gotten too big and as a result is too slow and cumbersome, too slow to react to changing circumstances in the market and the wider world and has seen it's profits fall. Rather than being the corner shop the UK on its own can be compared to smaller supermarket chains like Lidl and Aldi, more streamlined, better able to adapt to a changing world and quicker to take advantage of new emerging markets, and have seen profits boom as a result. | |||
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"I can't work out why people don't like the Tories. If labour were in power we'd have a plan in place for a successful brexit, rather than the Tories "oopsie, seem to have fucked it up, best we stay eh?"..
Because a Labour Brexit would be a worse sell out than Chequers is. Labour would keep us in the customs union (a Norway style option). Still paying a membership style fee to the EU each year and unable to do our own trade deals.
I'm still expecting the Tories to keep us in. they have too much to lose. Even they will choose their own wealth over being re-elected.
I agree in part I think Theresa May will try to keep us in a customs union of sorts, she's already sold Brexit out with Chequers anyway. Whether she gets it voted through Parliament is another matter. And if the tories do sell Brexit down the river they will face a backlash from the public the like of which has never been seen before. "Hope so | |||
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"Here we go again! The EU is a federal leftist dinosaur that needs putting out of its misery. We will be better off without it, and no amount of scare propaganda will ever convince me otherwise. What never fails to make me laugh is the constant crap coming from remoaners dressed up as facts. We are leaving, end of, and for the majority of us, it’s gonna be great. There will always be those who did well out of the gravy train, and they will never cease telling us we made a mistake. They need to be ignored, as they spread their doom and gloom misinformation. It’s time to move forwards, stop looking backwards, and make a success out of our new status as an independent island nation..," This sentiment would be great and what not. And id be behind it if there was any evidence of any truth in it. It’s all just pie in the sky hope based on nothing more then wishful thinking. | |||
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"Here we go again! The EU is a federal leftist dinosaur that needs putting out of its misery. We will be better off without it, and no amount of scare propaganda will ever convince me otherwise. What never fails to make me laugh is the constant crap coming from remoaners dressed up as facts. We are leaving, end of, and for the majority of us, it’s gonna be great. There will always be those who did well out of the gravy train, and they will never cease telling us we made a mistake. They need to be ignored, as they spread their doom and gloom misinformation. It’s time to move forwards, stop looking backwards, and make a success out of our new status as an independent island nation..," Leftist? Pull the other one | |||
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" Because a Labour Brexit would be a worse sell out than Chequers is. Labour would keep us in the customs union (a Norway style option). Still paying a membership style fee to the EU each year and unable to do our own trade deals. Yup, who needs the buying power of a supermarket chain when you can be the corner shop, eh? If you're going to use the supermarket analogy then I'd say the EU is like Tesco or Sainsbury, gotten too big and as a result is too slow and cumbersome, too slow to react to changing circumstances in the market and the wider world and has seen it's profits fall. Rather than being the corner shop the UK on its own can be compared to smaller supermarket chains like Lidl and Aldi, more streamlined, better able to adapt to a changing world and quicker to take advantage of new emerging markets, and have seen profits boom as a result. " Yes, a very good analogy. We are going to end up like Lidl and have a reduced range of goods on offer, and the atmosphere of the inside of a filing cabinet. I'm looking forward to subsisting off instant coffee, salami, muesli, and gardening gloves. Why didn't they just put that on the side of a bus "Brexit: we'll turn the UK into Lidl!". Awesome. -Matt | |||
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" Because a Labour Brexit would be a worse sell out than Chequers is. Labour would keep us in the customs union (a Norway style option). Still paying a membership style fee to the EU each year and unable to do our own trade deals. Yup, who needs the buying power of a supermarket chain when you can be the corner shop, eh? If you're going to use the supermarket analogy then I'd say the EU is like Tesco or Sainsbury, gotten too big and as a result is too slow and cumbersome, too slow to react to changing circumstances in the market and the wider world and has seen it's profits fall. Rather than being the corner shop the UK on its own can be compared to smaller supermarket chains like Lidl and Aldi, more streamlined, better able to adapt to a changing world and quicker to take advantage of new emerging markets, and have seen profits boom as a result. Yes, a very good analogy. We are going to end up like Lidl and have a reduced range of goods on offer, and the atmosphere of the inside of a filing cabinet. I'm looking forward to subsisting off instant coffee, salami, muesli, and gardening gloves. Why didn't they just put that on the side of a bus "Brexit: we'll turn the UK into Lidl!". Awesome. -Matt" more like one of those grimey looking cat welfare charity shops | |||
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" Because a Labour Brexit would be a worse sell out than Chequers is. Labour would keep us in the customs union (a Norway style option). Still paying a membership style fee to the EU each year and unable to do our own trade deals. Yup, who needs the buying power of a supermarket chain when you can be the corner shop, eh? If you're going to use the supermarket analogy then I'd say the EU is like Tesco or Sainsbury, gotten too big and as a result is too slow and cumbersome, too slow to react to changing circumstances in the market and the wider world and has seen it's profits fall. Rather than being the corner shop the UK on its own can be compared to smaller supermarket chains like Lidl and Aldi, more streamlined, better able to adapt to a changing world and quicker to take advantage of new emerging markets, and have seen profits boom as a result. Yes, a very good analogy. We are going to end up like Lidl and have a reduced range of goods on offer, and the atmosphere of the inside of a filing cabinet. I'm looking forward to subsisting off instant coffee, salami, muesli, and gardening gloves. Why didn't they just put that on the side of a bus "Brexit: we'll turn the UK into Lidl!". Awesome. -Matt" From those comments you've clearly never been inside of a Lidl or an Aldi. | |||
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" Because a Labour Brexit would be a worse sell out than Chequers is. Labour would keep us in the customs union (a Norway style option). Still paying a membership style fee to the EU each year and unable to do our own trade deals. Yup, who needs the buying power of a supermarket chain when you can be the corner shop, eh? If you're going to use the supermarket analogy then I'd say the EU is like Tesco or Sainsbury, gotten too big and as a result is too slow and cumbersome, too slow to react to changing circumstances in the market and the wider world and has seen it's profits fall. Rather than being the corner shop the UK on its own can be compared to smaller supermarket chains like Lidl and Aldi, more streamlined, better able to adapt to a changing world and quicker to take advantage of new emerging markets, and have seen profits boom as a result. " the irony or desperation of yourself quoting that we may well end up like a German founded supermarket.. | |||
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" Because a Labour Brexit would be a worse sell out than Chequers is. Labour would keep us in the customs union (a Norway style option). Still paying a membership style fee to the EU each year and unable to do our own trade deals. Yup, who needs the buying power of a supermarket chain when you can be the corner shop, eh? If you're going to use the supermarket analogy then I'd say the EU is like Tesco or Sainsbury, gotten too big and as a result is too slow and cumbersome, too slow to react to changing circumstances in the market and the wider world and has seen it's profits fall. Rather than being the corner shop the UK on its own can be compared to smaller supermarket chains like Lidl and Aldi, more streamlined, better able to adapt to a changing world and quicker to take advantage of new emerging markets, and have seen profits boom as a result. Yes, a very good analogy. We are going to end up like Lidl and have a reduced range of goods on offer, and the atmosphere of the inside of a filing cabinet. I'm looking forward to subsisting off instant coffee, salami, muesli, and gardening gloves. Why didn't they just put that on the side of a bus "Brexit: we'll turn the UK into Lidl!". Awesome. -Matt" Maybe a pretentious and Snobbish Waitrose would be more suited to you? | |||
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" Because a Labour Brexit would be a worse sell out than Chequers is. Labour would keep us in the customs union (a Norway style option). Still paying a membership style fee to the EU each year and unable to do our own trade deals. Yup, who needs the buying power of a supermarket chain when you can be the corner shop, eh? If you're going to use the supermarket analogy then I'd say the EU is like Tesco or Sainsbury, gotten too big and as a result is too slow and cumbersome, too slow to react to changing circumstances in the market and the wider world and has seen it's profits fall. Rather than being the corner shop the UK on its own can be compared to smaller supermarket chains like Lidl and Aldi, more streamlined, better able to adapt to a changing world and quicker to take advantage of new emerging markets, and have seen profits boom as a result. Yes, a very good analogy. We are going to end up like Lidl and have a reduced range of goods on offer, and the atmosphere of the inside of a filing cabinet. I'm looking forward to subsisting off instant coffee, salami, muesli, and gardening gloves. Why didn't they just put that on the side of a bus "Brexit: we'll turn the UK into Lidl!". Awesome. -Matt From those comments you've clearly never been inside of a Lidl or an Aldi. " No, from those comments I clearly have. Don't get me wrong, Lidl and Aldi are great. But if you are going to try and use a cut-price, bleak, reduced range supermarket as an analogy for our life after Brexit, you might be right. -Matt | |||
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" Because a Labour Brexit would be a worse sell out than Chequers is. Labour would keep us in the customs union (a Norway style option). Still paying a membership style fee to the EU each year and unable to do our own trade deals. Yup, who needs the buying power of a supermarket chain when you can be the corner shop, eh? If you're going to use the supermarket analogy then I'd say the EU is like Tesco or Sainsbury, gotten too big and as a result is too slow and cumbersome, too slow to react to changing circumstances in the market and the wider world and has seen it's profits fall. Rather than being the corner shop the UK on its own can be compared to smaller supermarket chains like Lidl and Aldi, more streamlined, better able to adapt to a changing world and quicker to take advantage of new emerging markets, and have seen profits boom as a result. " I think that's a great analogy. But i just don't believe it. Unfortunately we're not a blue chip company, or even a Google, we're a country, full of work-shy selfish cunts, who hate each other. | |||
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" Because a Labour Brexit would be a worse sell out than Chequers is. Labour would keep us in the customs union (a Norway style option). Still paying a membership style fee to the EU each year and unable to do our own trade deals. Yup, who needs the buying power of a supermarket chain when you can be the corner shop, eh? If you're going to use the supermarket analogy then I'd say the EU is like Tesco or Sainsbury, gotten too big and as a result is too slow and cumbersome, too slow to react to changing circumstances in the market and the wider world and has seen it's profits fall. Rather than being the corner shop the UK on its own can be compared to smaller supermarket chains like Lidl and Aldi, more streamlined, better able to adapt to a changing world and quicker to take advantage of new emerging markets, and have seen profits boom as a result. Yes, a very good analogy. We are going to end up like Lidl and have a reduced range of goods on offer, and the atmosphere of the inside of a filing cabinet. I'm looking forward to subsisting off instant coffee, salami, muesli, and gardening gloves. Why didn't they just put that on the side of a bus "Brexit: we'll turn the UK into Lidl!". Awesome. -Matt From those comments you've clearly never been inside of a Lidl or an Aldi. No, from those comments I clearly have. Don't get me wrong, Lidl and Aldi are great. But if you are going to try and use a cut-price, bleak, reduced range supermarket as an analogy for our life after Brexit, you might be right. -Matt" As I said you should stick with Waitrose, the pretentious and snobbish attitude of your posts is typical of haughty, Snobbish liberal elitist remoaners. | |||
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" Because a Labour Brexit would be a worse sell out than Chequers is. Labour would keep us in the customs union (a Norway style option). Still paying a membership style fee to the EU each year and unable to do our own trade deals. Yup, who needs the buying power of a supermarket chain when you can be the corner shop, eh? If you're going to use the supermarket analogy then I'd say the EU is like Tesco or Sainsbury, gotten too big and as a result is too slow and cumbersome, too slow to react to changing circumstances in the market and the wider world and has seen it's profits fall. Rather than being the corner shop the UK on its own can be compared to smaller supermarket chains like Lidl and Aldi, more streamlined, better able to adapt to a changing world and quicker to take advantage of new emerging markets, and have seen profits boom as a result. Yes, a very good analogy. We are going to end up like Lidl and have a reduced range of goods on offer, and the atmosphere of the inside of a filing cabinet. I'm looking forward to subsisting off instant coffee, salami, muesli, and gardening gloves. Why didn't they just put that on the side of a bus "Brexit: we'll turn the UK into Lidl!". Awesome. -Matt From those comments you've clearly never been inside of a Lidl or an Aldi. No, from those comments I clearly have. Don't get me wrong, Lidl and Aldi are great. But if you are going to try and use a cut-price, bleak, reduced range supermarket as an analogy for our life after Brexit, you might be right. -Matt As I said you should stick with Waitrose, the pretentious and snobbish attitude of your posts is typical of haughty, Snobbish liberal elitist remoaners. " As opposed to ignorant, intolerant, elitist brexiteers? | |||
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" Because a Labour Brexit would be a worse sell out than Chequers is. Labour would keep us in the customs union (a Norway style option). Still paying a membership style fee to the EU each year and unable to do our own trade deals. Yup, who needs the buying power of a supermarket chain when you can be the corner shop, eh? If you're going to use the supermarket analogy then I'd say the EU is like Tesco or Sainsbury, gotten too big and as a result is too slow and cumbersome, too slow to react to changing circumstances in the market and the wider world and has seen it's profits fall. Rather than being the corner shop the UK on its own can be compared to smaller supermarket chains like Lidl and Aldi, more streamlined, better able to adapt to a changing world and quicker to take advantage of new emerging markets, and have seen profits boom as a result. Yes, a very good analogy. We are going to end up like Lidl and have a reduced range of goods on offer, and the atmosphere of the inside of a filing cabinet. I'm looking forward to subsisting off instant coffee, salami, muesli, and gardening gloves. Why didn't they just put that on the side of a bus "Brexit: we'll turn the UK into Lidl!". Awesome. -Matt Maybe a pretentious and Snobbish Waitrose would be more suited to you? " What? A supermarket with a wide range of goods, that is run as a partnership with it's staff and price matches other supermarkets. One that is a pleasant environment to visit and that caters for a wide range of people. One in which the delivery drivers are courteous and helpful. No, no idea why that sounds like a good idea. A random story: We get our shopping delivered. Have done for past 15 years or so. My wife doesn't drive, I work, and life it too short to be wandering around a supermaket. Plus ordering online is much cheaper and easier. We have accounts with Ocado (Waitrose), Tesco, Asda, and Sainsburys as they each have different offers and deals, and delivery times. So we use whichever is best at the time. We were due to have shopping delivered just before Christmas day from Ocado and unlike Sainsburys, Ocado deliveries come from a central picking warehouse, not the local store. They had a vehicle break down and were not able to deliver the goods. I can't remember exactly why, but this was a big problem. Maybe the supermarkets were closed by then, or my wife was ill or something. They had one of their staff from a local store rush around the store and grab some essentials for us and bring them around personally. They didn't have to. They could have just said "sorry, no". But they did. And that was a nice thing. Something going beyond the ordinary. As I said, Lidl and Aldi are great. There is a new one just opened on my way to work, which will be really handy. But I *like* that we have variety in this country. Yes, this is a metaphor for culture. Will we all starve once Brexit fucks up our supply chains? No, unlikely. But I quite *like* that I have such a wide choice of food and drink. I *like* that we have restaurants, and small shops from cultures and countries all over the world. I don't want to just 'buy British'. -Matt | |||
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" Because a Labour Brexit would be a worse sell out than Chequers is. Labour would keep us in the customs union (a Norway style option). Still paying a membership style fee to the EU each year and unable to do our own trade deals. Yup, who needs the buying power of a supermarket chain when you can be the corner shop, eh? If you're going to use the supermarket analogy then I'd say the EU is like Tesco or Sainsbury, gotten too big and as a result is too slow and cumbersome, too slow to react to changing circumstances in the market and the wider world and has seen it's profits fall. Rather than being the corner shop the UK on its own can be compared to smaller supermarket chains like Lidl and Aldi, more streamlined, better able to adapt to a changing world and quicker to take advantage of new emerging markets, and have seen profits boom as a result. Yes, a very good analogy. We are going to end up like Lidl and have a reduced range of goods on offer, and the atmosphere of the inside of a filing cabinet. I'm looking forward to subsisting off instant coffee, salami, muesli, and gardening gloves. Why didn't they just put that on the side of a bus "Brexit: we'll turn the UK into Lidl!". Awesome. -Matt From those comments you've clearly never been inside of a Lidl or an Aldi. No, from those comments I clearly have. Don't get me wrong, Lidl and Aldi are great. But if you are going to try and use a cut-price, bleak, reduced range supermarket as an analogy for our life after Brexit, you might be right. -Matt As I said you should stick with Waitrose, the pretentious and snobbish attitude of your posts is typical of haughty, Snobbish liberal elitist remoaners. As opposed to ignorant, intolerant, elitist brexiteers?" I know... that does make me laugh. "You snobbish, liberal elite remoaners! We're going to go do what Farage, Rees-Mogg and Johnson tell us to do, 'cos they are men of the people!" -Matt | |||
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"After Brexit the U.K. won’t be like Marks & Spencer’s anymore and it will be a million miles away from Tesco and Asda, let alone Waitrose. We are going to turn the UK into Aldi and Lidl. Created in Germany and all about low value offerings. Brexit Britain - you saw it on this thread lol" People thought big companies like Woolworths and Toys R us were too big to go bust, as they probably do now about big supermarkets like Tesco and Sainsbury and as they do about the EU. As we've seen over recent years Tesco and Sainsbury went backwards in terms of profit while Aldi and Lidl saw their profits boom. When Tesco or Sainsbury go bankrupt (as the EU will do when the Italian banking debt bubble bursts) and Aldi and Lidl (the uk) are still going strong I'll be more than happy to remind you of this post. | |||
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"After Brexit the U.K. won’t be like Marks & Spencer’s anymore and it will be a million miles away from Tesco and Asda, let alone Waitrose. We are going to turn the UK into Aldi and Lidl. Created in Germany and all about low value offerings. Brexit Britain - you saw it on this thread lol People thought big companies like Woolworths and Toys R us were too big to go bust, as they probably do now about big supermarkets like Tesco and Sainsbury and as they do about the EU. As we've seen over recent years Tesco and Sainsbury went backwards in terms of profit while Aldi and Lidl saw their profits boom. When Tesco or Sainsbury go bankrupt (as the EU will do when the Italian banking debt bubble bursts) and Aldi and Lidl (the uk) are still going strong I'll be more than happy to remind you of this post. " Honestly. So when the British companies go bankrupt and the German ones are going strong you'll be happy. "Doh" doesn't even come close. | |||
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"After Brexit the U.K. won’t be like Marks & Spencer’s anymore and it will be a million miles away from Tesco and Asda, let alone Waitrose. We are going to turn the UK into Aldi and Lidl. Created in Germany and all about low value offerings. Brexit Britain - you saw it on this thread lol People thought big companies like Woolworths and Toys R us were too big to go bust, as they probably do now about big supermarkets like Tesco and Sainsbury and as they do about the EU. As we've seen over recent years Tesco and Sainsbury went backwards in terms of profit while Aldi and Lidl saw their profits boom. When Tesco or Sainsbury go bankrupt (as the EU will do when the Italian banking debt bubble bursts) and Aldi and Lidl (the uk) are still going strong I'll be more than happy to remind you of this post. Honestly. So when the British companies go bankrupt and the German ones are going strong you'll be happy. "Doh" doesn't even come close." If you're going to post at least get your facts straight first. Sainsbury isn't a UK company anymore as it's merging with Asda who are owned by American retailing giant Walmart. The merger was announced in April of this year. | |||
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" When Tesco or Sainsbury go bankrupt (as the EU will do when the Italian banking debt bubble bursts) and Aldi and Lidl (the uk) are still going strong I'll be more than happy to remind you of this post. " Central banks do not go bust. | |||
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" Because a Labour Brexit would be a worse sell out than Chequers is. Labour would keep us in the customs union (a Norway style option). Still paying a membership style fee to the EU each year and unable to do our own trade deals. Yup, who needs the buying power of a supermarket chain when you can be the corner shop, eh? If you're going to use the supermarket analogy then I'd say the EU is like Tesco or Sainsbury, gotten too big and as a result is too slow and cumbersome, too slow to react to changing circumstances in the market and the wider world and has seen it's profits fall. Rather than being the corner shop the UK on its own can be compared to smaller supermarket chains like Lidl and Aldi, more streamlined, better able to adapt to a changing world and quicker to take advantage of new emerging markets, and have seen profits boom as a result. Yes, a very good analogy. We are going to end up like Lidl and have a reduced range of goods on offer, and the atmosphere of the inside of a filing cabinet. I'm looking forward to subsisting off instant coffee, salami, muesli, and gardening gloves. Why didn't they just put that on the side of a bus "Brexit: we'll turn the UK into Lidl!". Awesome. -Matt" To be fair, Lidl's growth is 9% Tesco's is 2% | |||
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"After Brexit the U.K. won’t be like Marks & Spencer’s anymore and it will be a million miles away from Tesco and Asda, let alone Waitrose. We are going to turn the UK into Aldi and Lidl. Created in Germany and all about low value offerings. Brexit Britain - you saw it on this thread lol People thought big companies like Woolworths and Toys R us were too big to go bust, as they probably do now about big supermarkets like Tesco and Sainsbury and as they do about the EU. As we've seen over recent years Tesco and Sainsbury went backwards in terms of profit while Aldi and Lidl saw their profits boom. When Tesco or Sainsbury go bankrupt (as the EU will do when the Italian banking debt bubble bursts) and Aldi and Lidl (the uk) are still going strong I'll be more than happy to remind you of this post. Honestly. So when the British companies go bankrupt and the German ones are going strong you'll be happy. "Doh" doesn't even come close. If you're going to post at least get your facts straight first. Sainsbury isn't a UK company anymore as it's merging with Asda who are owned by American retailing giant Walmart. The merger was announced in April of this year. " actually if you are get facts straight... Sainsbury’s will retain in control thanks to a £2.975bn cash payment to Walmart. The chairman (David Tyler), CEO (Mike Coupe) and CFO (Kevin O’Byrne) will all hail from Holborn, which will remain the HQ. In return Walmart will take a 42% stake, and have two seats on the board. Asda will continue to be run by CEO Roger Burnley, and there are no plans to close its Leeds HQ. Sainsbury’s plc will remain the name of the combined Sainsbury’s-Asda business, it will remain a UK Company! you owe the man an apology for calling him a liar..... or you can just admit you don't know of what you speak? which? | |||
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"After Brexit the U.K. won’t be like Marks & Spencer’s anymore and it will be a million miles away from Tesco and Asda, let alone Waitrose. We are going to turn the UK into Aldi and Lidl. Created in Germany and all about low value offerings. Brexit Britain - you saw it on this thread lol People thought big companies like Woolworths and Toys R us were too big to go bust, as they probably do now about big supermarkets like Tesco and Sainsbury and as they do about the EU. As we've seen over recent years Tesco and Sainsbury went backwards in terms of profit while Aldi and Lidl saw their profits boom. When Tesco or Sainsbury go bankrupt (as the EU will do when the Italian banking debt bubble bursts) and Aldi and Lidl (the uk) are still going strong I'll be more than happy to remind you of this post. Honestly. So when the British companies go bankrupt and the German ones are going strong you'll be happy. "Doh" doesn't even come close. If you're going to post at least get your facts straight first. Sainsbury isn't a UK company anymore as it's merging with Asda who are owned by American retailing giant Walmart. The merger was announced in April of this year. actually if you are get facts straight... Sainsbury’s will retain in control thanks to a £2.975bn cash payment to Walmart. The chairman (David Tyler), CEO (Mike Coupe) and CFO (Kevin O’Byrne) will all hail from Holborn, which will remain the HQ. In return Walmart will take a 42% stake, and have two seats on the board. Asda will continue to be run by CEO Roger Burnley, and there are no plans to close its Leeds HQ. Sainsbury’s plc will remain the name of the combined Sainsbury’s-Asda business, it will remain a UK Company! you owe the man an apology for calling him a liar..... or you can just admit you don't know of what you speak? which?" Fabio by your own admission in your post the merger is going to be 42% owned by American company Walmart. So you just admitted it won't be a solely UK company, it will be a jointly owned American/UK company. | |||
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"After Brexit the U.K. won’t be like Marks & Spencer’s anymore and it will be a million miles away from Tesco and Asda, let alone Waitrose. We are going to turn the UK into Aldi and Lidl. Created in Germany and all about low value offerings. Brexit Britain - you saw it on this thread lol People thought big companies like Woolworths and Toys R us were too big to go bust, as they probably do now about big supermarkets like Tesco and Sainsbury and as they do about the EU. As we've seen over recent years Tesco and Sainsbury went backwards in terms of profit while Aldi and Lidl saw their profits boom. When Tesco or Sainsbury go bankrupt (as the EU will do when the Italian banking debt bubble bursts) and Aldi and Lidl (the uk) are still going strong I'll be more than happy to remind you of this post. Honestly. So when the British companies go bankrupt and the German ones are going strong you'll be happy. "Doh" doesn't even come close. If you're going to post at least get your facts straight first. Sainsbury isn't a UK company anymore as it's merging with Asda who are owned by American retailing giant Walmart. The merger was announced in April of this year. actually if you are get facts straight... Sainsbury’s will retain in control thanks to a £2.975bn cash payment to Walmart. The chairman (David Tyler), CEO (Mike Coupe) and CFO (Kevin O’Byrne) will all hail from Holborn, which will remain the HQ. In return Walmart will take a 42% stake, and have two seats on the board. Asda will continue to be run by CEO Roger Burnley, and there are no plans to close its Leeds HQ. Sainsbury’s plc will remain the name of the combined Sainsbury’s-Asda business, it will remain a UK Company! you owe the man an apology for calling him a liar..... or you can just admit you don't know of what you speak? which? Fabio by your own admission in your post the merger is going to be 42% owned by American company Walmart. So you just admitted it won't be a solely UK company, it will be a jointly owned American/UK company. "Do you understand shares? A quick lesson - unless you own 51% of a company you don't have a controlling interest! To own it outright you need about 75% -(not certain of figure) - then you can forcibly buy the other shares you don't own. | |||
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" Because a Labour Brexit would be a worse sell out than Chequers is. Labour would keep us in the customs union (a Norway style option). Still paying a membership style fee to the EU each year and unable to do our own trade deals. Yup, who needs the buying power of a supermarket chain when you can be the corner shop, eh? If you're going to use the supermarket analogy then I'd say the EU is like Tesco or Sainsbury, gotten too big and as a result is too slow and cumbersome, too slow to react to changing circumstances in the market and the wider world and has seen it's profits fall. Rather than being the corner shop the UK on its own can be compared to smaller supermarket chains like Lidl and Aldi, more streamlined, better able to adapt to a changing world and quicker to take advantage of new emerging markets, and have seen profits boom as a result. Yes, a very good analogy. We are going to end up like Lidl and have a reduced range of goods on offer, and the atmosphere of the inside of a filing cabinet. I'm looking forward to subsisting off instant coffee, salami, muesli, and gardening gloves. Why didn't they just put that on the side of a bus "Brexit: we'll turn the UK into Lidl!". Awesome. -Matt To be fair, Lidl's growth is 9% Tesco's is 2%" two things about % figures... they can be misleading, and they need context the figure you give for tescos is "partly" correct.... During the first half of the year, pre-tax profits rose 2.2% to £564m. Across the group like-for-like sales, which remove the impact of new stores, rose 4.2% in the second quarter. Tesco chief executive Dave Lewis said "this was the best sales growth in more than a decade." notice that last sentence........
"this was the best sales growth in more than a decade."
The German discounters remained the fastest growing grocers, with Lidl’s sales increasing 8.6 per cent
tescos' marker share of the supermarket industry is 27.5%.... lidl's Market share is 5.5%
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"After Brexit the U.K. won’t be like Marks & Spencer’s anymore and it will be a million miles away from Tesco and Asda, let alone Waitrose. We are going to turn the UK into Aldi and Lidl. Created in Germany and all about low value offerings. Brexit Britain - you saw it on this thread lol People thought big companies like Woolworths and Toys R us were too big to go bust, as they probably do now about big supermarkets like Tesco and Sainsbury and as they do about the EU. As we've seen over recent years Tesco and Sainsbury went backwards in terms of profit while Aldi and Lidl saw their profits boom. When Tesco or Sainsbury go bankrupt (as the EU will do when the Italian banking debt bubble bursts) and Aldi and Lidl (the uk) are still going strong I'll be more than happy to remind you of this post. Honestly. So when the British companies go bankrupt and the German ones are going strong you'll be happy. "Doh" doesn't even come close. If you're going to post at least get your facts straight first. Sainsbury isn't a UK company anymore as it's merging with Asda who are owned by American retailing giant Walmart. The merger was announced in April of this year. actually if you are get facts straight... Sainsbury’s will retain in control thanks to a £2.975bn cash payment to Walmart. The chairman (David Tyler), CEO (Mike Coupe) and CFO (Kevin O’Byrne) will all hail from Holborn, which will remain the HQ. In return Walmart will take a 42% stake, and have two seats on the board. Asda will continue to be run by CEO Roger Burnley, and there are no plans to close its Leeds HQ. Sainsbury’s plc will remain the name of the combined Sainsbury’s-Asda business, it will remain a UK Company! you owe the man an apology for calling him a liar..... or you can just admit you don't know of what you speak? which? Fabio by your own admission in your post the merger is going to be 42% owned by American company Walmart. So you just admitted it won't be a solely UK company, it will be a jointly owned American/UK company.
Do you understand shares? A quick lesson - unless you own 51% of a company you don't have a controlling interest! To own it outright you need about 75% -(not certain of figure) - then you can forcibly buy the other shares you don't own.
"To be called a truly British company it needs to be 100% British shares in that company. This won't be as American company Walmart will own almost half of it. It's a jointly owned American/UK company! | |||
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" If you're going to post at least get your facts straight first. Sainsbury isn't a UK company anymore as it's merging with Asda who are owned by American retailing giant Walmart. The merger was announced in April of this year. actually if you are get facts straight... Sainsbury’s will retain in control thanks to a £2.975bn cash payment to Walmart. The chairman (David Tyler), CEO (Mike Coupe) and CFO (Kevin O’Byrne) will all hail from Holborn, which will remain the HQ. In return Walmart will take a 42% stake, and have two seats on the board. Asda will continue to be run by CEO Roger Burnley, and there are no plans to close its Leeds HQ. Sainsbury’s plc will remain the name of the combined Sainsbury’s-Asda business, it will remain a UK Company! you owe the man an apology for calling him a liar..... or you can just admit you don't know of what you speak? which? Fabio by your own admission in your post the merger is going to be 42% owned by American company Walmart. So you just admitted it won't be a solely UK company, it will be a jointly owned American/UK company.
Do you understand shares? A quick lesson - unless you own 51% of a company you don't have a controlling interest! To own it outright you need about 75% -(not certain of figure) - then you can forcibly buy the other shares you don't own.
"I am not sure what part of "sainsbury's have the controlling interest in the joint business" centy doesn't understand.... sainsbury's have 58% of the business, sainsbury's plc is what the company will be traded under on the UK stock excahnge.... the company will be majority UK owed and still report figures from their HQ in London!!!! but hey... spin it whichever way you want it centy.... just admit you dropped the ball on this one! | |||
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" Because a Labour Brexit would be a worse sell out than Chequers is. Labour would keep us in the customs union (a Norway style option). Still paying a membership style fee to the EU each year and unable to do our own trade deals. Yup, who needs the buying power of a supermarket chain when you can be the corner shop, eh? If you're going to use the supermarket analogy then I'd say the EU is like Tesco or Sainsbury, gotten too big and as a result is too slow and cumbersome, too slow to react to changing circumstances in the market and the wider world and has seen it's profits fall. Rather than being the corner shop the UK on its own can be compared to smaller supermarket chains like Lidl and Aldi, more streamlined, better able to adapt to a changing world and quicker to take advantage of new emerging markets, and have seen profits boom as a result. Yes, a very good analogy. We are going to end up like Lidl and have a reduced range of goods on offer, and the atmosphere of the inside of a filing cabinet. I'm looking forward to subsisting off instant coffee, salami, muesli, and gardening gloves. Why didn't they just put that on the side of a bus "Brexit: we'll turn the UK into Lidl!". Awesome. -Matt To be fair, Lidl's growth is 9% Tesco's is 2% two things about % figures... they can be misleading, and they need context the figure you give for tescos is "partly" correct.... During the first half of the year, pre-tax profits rose 2.2% to £564m. Across the group like-for-like sales, which remove the impact of new stores, rose 4.2% in the second quarter. Tesco chief executive Dave Lewis said "this was the best sales growth in more than a decade." notice that last sentence........
"this was the best sales growth in more than a decade."
The German discounters remained the fastest growing grocers, with Lidl’s sales increasing 8.6 per cent
tescos' marker share of the supermarket industry is 27.5%.... lidl's Market share is 5.5%
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"After Brexit the U.K. won’t be like Marks & Spencer’s anymore and it will be a million miles away from Tesco and Asda, let alone Waitrose. We are going to turn the UK into Aldi and Lidl. Created in Germany and all about low value offerings. Brexit Britain - you saw it on this thread lol People thought big companies like Woolworths and Toys R us were too big to go bust, as they probably do now about big supermarkets like Tesco and Sainsbury and as they do about the EU. As we've seen over recent years Tesco and Sainsbury went backwards in terms of profit while Aldi and Lidl saw their profits boom. When Tesco or Sainsbury go bankrupt (as the EU will do when the Italian banking debt bubble bursts) and Aldi and Lidl (the uk) are still going strong I'll be more than happy to remind you of this post. Honestly. So when the British companies go bankrupt and the German ones are going strong you'll be happy. "Doh" doesn't even come close. If you're going to post at least get your facts straight first. Sainsbury isn't a UK company anymore as it's merging with Asda who are owned by American retailing giant Walmart. The merger was announced in April of this year. actually if you are get facts straight... Sainsbury’s will retain in control thanks to a £2.975bn cash payment to Walmart. The chairman (David Tyler), CEO (Mike Coupe) and CFO (Kevin O’Byrne) will all hail from Holborn, which will remain the HQ. In return Walmart will take a 42% stake, and have two seats on the board. Asda will continue to be run by CEO Roger Burnley, and there are no plans to close its Leeds HQ. Sainsbury’s plc will remain the name of the combined Sainsbury’s-Asda business, it will remain a UK Company! you owe the man an apology for calling him a liar..... or you can just admit you don't know of what you speak? which? Fabio by your own admission in your post the merger is going to be 42% owned by American company Walmart. So you just admitted it won't be a solely UK company, it will be a jointly owned American/UK company.
Do you understand shares? A quick lesson - unless you own 51% of a company you don't have a controlling interest! To own it outright you need about 75% -(not certain of figure) - then you can forcibly buy the other shares you don't own.
To be called a truly British company it needs to be 100% British shares in that company. This won't be as American company Walmart will own almost half of it. It's a jointly owned American/UK company! "Rolls Royce? Bentley? Morgan? Gatwick Airport? Thames Water? Which of these meet your 100% British owned as per your requirements? | |||
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" If you're going to post at least get your facts straight first. Sainsbury isn't a UK company anymore as it's merging with Asda who are owned by American retailing giant Walmart. The merger was announced in April of this year. actually if you are get facts straight... Sainsbury’s will retain in control thanks to a £2.975bn cash payment to Walmart. The chairman (David Tyler), CEO (Mike Coupe) and CFO (Kevin O’Byrne) will all hail from Holborn, which will remain the HQ. In return Walmart will take a 42% stake, and have two seats on the board. Asda will continue to be run by CEO Roger Burnley, and there are no plans to close its Leeds HQ. Sainsbury’s plc will remain the name of the combined Sainsbury’s-Asda business, it will remain a UK Company! you owe the man an apology for calling him a liar..... or you can just admit you don't know of what you speak? which? Fabio by your own admission in your post the merger is going to be 42% owned by American company Walmart. So you just admitted it won't be a solely UK company, it will be a jointly owned American/UK company.
Do you understand shares? A quick lesson - unless you own 51% of a company you don't have a controlling interest! To own it outright you need about 75% -(not certain of figure) - then you can forcibly buy the other shares you don't own.
I am not sure what part of "sainsbury's have the controlling interest in the joint business" centy doesn't understand.... sainsbury's have 58% of the business, sainsbury's plc is what the company will be traded under on the UK stock excahnge.... the company will be majority UK owed and still report figures from their HQ in London!!!!
but hey... spin it whichever way you want it centy.... just admit you dropped the ball on this one!"You're the one who dropped the ball here Fabio, even admitting on your own post earlier that American Walmart will own 42% of the merger. I suggest you also look up the meaning of the word 'merger' in the Dictionary. Not the sharpest tool in the box are you. | |||
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" Because a Labour Brexit would be a worse sell out than Chequers is. Labour would keep us in the customs union (a Norway style option). Still paying a membership style fee to the EU each year and unable to do our own trade deals. Yup, who needs the buying power of a supermarket chain when you can be the corner shop, eh? If you're going to use the supermarket analogy then I'd say the EU is like Tesco or Sainsbury, gotten too big and as a result is too slow and cumbersome, too slow to react to changing circumstances in the market and the wider world and has seen it's profits fall. Rather than being the corner shop the UK on its own can be compared to smaller supermarket chains like Lidl and Aldi, more streamlined, better able to adapt to a changing world and quicker to take advantage of new emerging markets, and have seen profits boom as a result. Yes, a very good analogy. We are going to end up like Lidl and have a reduced range of goods on offer, and the atmosphere of the inside of a filing cabinet. I'm looking forward to subsisting off instant coffee, salami, muesli, and gardening gloves. Why didn't they just put that on the side of a bus "Brexit: we'll turn the UK into Lidl!". Awesome. -Matt To be fair, Lidl's growth is 9% Tesco's is 2%" To be fair Lidl represents 5% of the market, Tesco represents 25%. A 9% growth in Libl is still less than a 2% growth in Tesco. | |||
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"After Brexit the U.K. won’t be like Marks & Spencer’s anymore and it will be a million miles away from Tesco and Asda, let alone Waitrose. We are going to turn the UK into Aldi and Lidl. Created in Germany and all about low value offerings. Brexit Britain - you saw it on this thread lol People thought big companies like Woolworths and Toys R us were too big to go bust, as they probably do now about big supermarkets like Tesco and Sainsbury and as they do about the EU. As we've seen over recent years Tesco and Sainsbury went backwards in terms of profit while Aldi and Lidl saw their profits boom. When Tesco or Sainsbury go bankrupt (as the EU will do when the Italian banking debt bubble bursts) and Aldi and Lidl (the uk) are still going strong I'll be more than happy to remind you of this post. Honestly. So when the British companies go bankrupt and the German ones are going strong you'll be happy. "Doh" doesn't even come close. If you're going to post at least get your facts straight first. Sainsbury isn't a UK company anymore as it's merging with Asda who are owned by American retailing giant Walmart. The merger was announced in April of this year. actually if you are get facts straight... Sainsbury’s will retain in control thanks to a £2.975bn cash payment to Walmart. The chairman (David Tyler), CEO (Mike Coupe) and CFO (Kevin O’Byrne) will all hail from Holborn, which will remain the HQ. In return Walmart will take a 42% stake, and have two seats on the board. Asda will continue to be run by CEO Roger Burnley, and there are no plans to close its Leeds HQ. Sainsbury’s plc will remain the name of the combined Sainsbury’s-Asda business, it will remain a UK Company! you owe the man an apology for calling him a liar..... or you can just admit you don't know of what you speak? which? Fabio by your own admission in your post the merger is going to be 42% owned by American company Walmart. So you just admitted it won't be a solely UK company, it will be a jointly owned American/UK company.
Do you understand shares? A quick lesson - unless you own 51% of a company you don't have a controlling interest! To own it outright you need about 75% -(not certain of figure) - then you can forcibly buy the other shares you don't own.
To be called a truly British company it needs to be 100% British shares in that company. This won't be as American company Walmart will own almost half of it. It's a jointly owned American/UK company! "So are you trying to say that there are absolutely no British publicaly listed companies? You talk so much utter bullshit, Centy. -Matt | |||
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" If you're going to post at least get your facts straight first. Sainsbury isn't a UK company anymore as it's merging with Asda who are owned by American retailing giant Walmart. The merger was announced in April of this year. actually if you are get facts straight... Sainsbury’s will retain in control thanks to a £2.975bn cash payment to Walmart. The chairman (David Tyler), CEO (Mike Coupe) and CFO (Kevin O’Byrne) will all hail from Holborn, which will remain the HQ. In return Walmart will take a 42% stake, and have two seats on the board. Asda will continue to be run by CEO Roger Burnley, and there are no plans to close its Leeds HQ. Sainsbury’s plc will remain the name of the combined Sainsbury’s-Asda business, it will remain a UK Company! you owe the man an apology for calling him a liar..... or you can just admit you don't know of what you speak? which? Fabio by your own admission in your post the merger is going to be 42% owned by American company Walmart. So you just admitted it won't be a solely UK company, it will be a jointly owned American/UK company.
Do you understand shares? A quick lesson - unless you own 51% of a company you don't have a controlling interest! To own it outright you need about 75% -(not certain of figure) - then you can forcibly buy the other shares you don't own.
I am not sure what part of "sainsbury's have the controlling interest in the joint business" centy doesn't understand.... sainsbury's have 58% of the business, sainsbury's plc is what the company will be traded under on the UK stock excahnge.... the company will be majority UK owed and still report figures from their HQ in London!!!!
but hey... spin it whichever way you want it centy.... just admit you dropped the ball on this one!
You're the one who dropped the ball here Fabio, even admitting on your own post earlier that American Walmart will own 42% of the merger. I suggest you also look up the meaning of the word 'merger' in the Dictionary. Not the sharpest tool in the box are you. "okay that last insult made me laugh because you have no clue about what you are trying to defend and instead of just holding your hands up and admitting you gave out wrong information, you doubled down and basically made a prize plum of yourself and dug the hole bigger.... all that a merger is is a "joining of businesses" nothing else.... a merger does NOT mean a joining of businesses of equal strength! sainsbury's will have a 58% share of the merged business... walmart will have a 42% share... sainsburys PLC will be the name of the sainburys-asda business, sainsbury will be the one making the decisions, sainsburys will continue to be a british company, based in london, reporting on the FTSE exchange in london!!! for the purposed of tax they will still be a UK company!!! look... so stop making yourself look even more silly than you are at the moment, you put down information that wasn't right.... all you have to do is for once in your life just hold your hand up and say "my error!" | |||
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" If you're going to post at least get your facts straight first. Sainsbury isn't a UK company anymore as it's merging with Asda who are owned by American retailing giant Walmart. The merger was announced in April of this year. actually if you are get facts straight... Sainsbury’s will retain in control thanks to a £2.975bn cash payment to Walmart. The chairman (David Tyler), CEO (Mike Coupe) and CFO (Kevin O’Byrne) will all hail from Holborn, which will remain the HQ. In return Walmart will take a 42% stake, and have two seats on the board. Asda will continue to be run by CEO Roger Burnley, and there are no plans to close its Leeds HQ. Sainsbury’s plc will remain the name of the combined Sainsbury’s-Asda business, it will remain a UK Company! you owe the man an apology for calling him a liar..... or you can just admit you don't know of what you speak? which? Fabio by your own admission in your post the merger is going to be 42% owned by American company Walmart. So you just admitted it won't be a solely UK company, it will be a jointly owned American/UK company.
Do you understand shares? A quick lesson - unless you own 51% of a company you don't have a controlling interest! To own it outright you need about 75% -(not certain of figure) - then you can forcibly buy the other shares you don't own.
I am not sure what part of "sainsbury's have the controlling interest in the joint business" centy doesn't understand.... sainsbury's have 58% of the business, sainsbury's plc is what the company will be traded under on the UK stock excahnge.... the company will be majority UK owed and still report figures from their HQ in London!!!!
but hey... spin it whichever way you want it centy.... just admit you dropped the ball on this one!
You're the one who dropped the ball here Fabio, even admitting on your own post earlier that American Walmart will own 42% of the merger. I suggest you also look up the meaning of the word 'merger' in the Dictionary. Not the sharpest tool in the box are you.
okay that last insult made me laugh because you have no clue about what you are trying to defend and instead of just holding your hands up and admitting you gave out wrong information, you doubled down and basically made a prize plum of yourself and dug the hole bigger....
all that a merger is is a "joining of businesses" nothing else....
a merger does NOT mean a joining of businesses of equal strength!
sainsbury's will have a 58% share of the merged business... walmart will have a 42% share...
"So you're admitting again here it will be a jointly owned uk/American company. Do you actually read what you write before posting because you've really made a complete tit of yourself on this thread. | |||
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" If you're going to post at least get your facts straight first. Sainsbury isn't a UK company anymore as it's merging with Asda who are owned by American retailing giant Walmart. The merger was announced in April of this year. actually if you are get facts straight... Sainsbury’s will retain in control thanks to a £2.975bn cash payment to Walmart. The chairman (David Tyler), CEO (Mike Coupe) and CFO (Kevin O’Byrne) will all hail from Holborn, which will remain the HQ. In return Walmart will take a 42% stake, and have two seats on the board. Asda will continue to be run by CEO Roger Burnley, and there are no plans to close its Leeds HQ. Sainsbury’s plc will remain the name of the combined Sainsbury’s-Asda business, it will remain a UK Company! you owe the man an apology for calling him a liar..... or you can just admit you don't know of what you speak? which? Fabio by your own admission in your post the merger is going to be 42% owned by American company Walmart. So you just admitted it won't be a solely UK company, it will be a jointly owned American/UK company.
Do you understand shares? A quick lesson - unless you own 51% of a company you don't have a controlling interest! To own it outright you need about 75% -(not certain of figure) - then you can forcibly buy the other shares you don't own.
I am not sure what part of "sainsbury's have the controlling interest in the joint business" centy doesn't understand.... sainsbury's have 58% of the business, sainsbury's plc is what the company will be traded under on the UK stock excahnge.... the company will be majority UK owed and still report figures from their HQ in London!!!!
but hey... spin it whichever way you want it centy.... just admit you dropped the ball on this one!
You're the one who dropped the ball here Fabio, even admitting on your own post earlier that American Walmart will own 42% of the merger. I suggest you also look up the meaning of the word 'merger' in the Dictionary. Not the sharpest tool in the box are you.
okay that last insult made me laugh because you have no clue about what you are trying to defend and instead of just holding your hands up and admitting you gave out wrong information, you doubled down and basically made a prize plum of yourself and dug the hole bigger....
all that a merger is is a "joining of businesses" nothing else....
a merger does NOT mean a joining of businesses of equal strength!
sainsbury's will have a 58% share of the merged business... walmart will have a 42% share...
So you're admitting again here it will be a jointly owned uk/American company. Do you actually read what you write before posting because you've really made a complete tit of yourself on this thread. "For fucks sake Centy, just put the spade down and stop digging. You said: “Sainsbury’s isn’t a U.K. company any more”. And you base this on the fact that a US company will have a minority shareholding in a U.K. registered, U.K. listed, U.K. managed, UK Headquartered, U.K. serving company. Which by that logic means there isn’t a single U.K. publicaly listed company as all of them will have some shareholder that is not based in the U.K. (and hence not meet your 100% U.K. shareholders test). You know that Sainburys *currently* has Qatar Holdings LLC as a 22% shareholder? So again, if we go by your definition then Sainsbury’s is not a U.K. company even before the deal with Walmart. Just admit you were wrong. You are doing yourself no favours here. -Matt | |||
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"We had a choice. One side urged us to stop being guided by people who knew what they were talking about, a.k.a. experts. That side won. So now we are guided by people who do not know what they are talking about, a.k.a. amateurs. You seem to be forgetting Theresa May was a remainer and her chief Brexit advisor Olly Robbins is also a swivel eyed Remainiac. The Chancellor Philip Hammond is also a remainer, so we are being guided by people at the very top of government who are remainers. I agree they look amateurish, and should stand aside for a real Brexiter to take over as Prime minister, who can put a Brexiter chancellor in the treasury as well. If we had people who actually believed in Brexit running the country as opposed to May, Robbins and Hammond we may actually start getting somewhere in these negotiations. Leavers in chief Johnson and Davis had key roles in Brexit negotiations until, you may recall, they ran away when reality collided with theur fantasies. They created this shit storm and are utterly contemptible for running away from it when the going got tough. All the time Davis was Brexit secretary and Steve Baker his assistant Theresa May was taking secret advice from Olly Robbins, and while Davis and Baker were working towards leaving the EU, Theresa May and Olly Robbins had concocted the woeful Chequers plan behind their backs. Theresa May sprang the chequers plan on the cabinet at the chequers meeting last summer out of the blue. No wonder Davis resigned the next day along with Steve Baker as it's pretty clear Theresa May had been secretly dismissing what they'd been working on all along in favour of her own Chequers plan. Not surprised Bojo resigned at that point either as the Chequers plan is a blatant sell out and monumental betrayal of Brexit. All of this is public knowledge and it's all out in the open about what went on. Davis, Bojo and Baker (along with the ERG) will have their revenge though as I honestly think the Chequers plan will be voted against in Parliament, Chequers is nothing more than an attempted stitch up by May and the EU. " When are you going to have your revenge? | |||
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"We had a choice. One side urged us to stop being guided by people who knew what they were talking about, a.k.a. experts. That side won. So now we are guided by people who do not know what they are talking about, a.k.a. amateurs. You seem to be forgetting Theresa May was a remainer and her chief Brexit advisor Olly Robbins is also a swivel eyed Remainiac. The Chancellor Philip Hammond is also a remainer, so we are being guided by people at the very top of government who are remainers. I agree they look amateurish, and should stand aside for a real Brexiter to take over as Prime minister, who can put a Brexiter chancellor in the treasury as well. If we had people who actually believed in Brexit running the country as opposed to May, Robbins and Hammond we may actually start getting somewhere in these negotiations. Leavers in chief Johnson and Davis had key roles in Brexit negotiations until, you may recall, they ran away when reality collided with theur fantasies. They created this shit storm and are utterly contemptible for running away from it when the going got tough. All the time Davis was Brexit secretary and Steve Baker his assistant Theresa May was taking secret advice from Olly Robbins, and while Davis and Baker were working towards leaving the EU, Theresa May and Olly Robbins had concocted the woeful Chequers plan behind their backs. Theresa May sprang the chequers plan on the cabinet at the chequers meeting last summer out of the blue. No wonder Davis resigned the next day along with Steve Baker as it's pretty clear Theresa May had been secretly dismissing what they'd been working on all along in favour of her own Chequers plan. Not surprised Bojo resigned at that point either as the Chequers plan is a blatant sell out and monumental betrayal of Brexit. All of this is public knowledge and it's all out in the open about what went on. Davis, Bojo and Baker (along with the ERG) will have their revenge though as I honestly think the Chequers plan will be voted against in Parliament, Chequers is nothing more than an attempted stitch up by May and the EU. " So why didn't Johnson and Davis make any effort to depose May as leader of the party? The fact is they know brexit will be a shit storm that will satisfy no one and they are positioning themselves to shout. "betrayal" and how it would be all different in they were in charge. As I say, contemptible cowards. | |||
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" Because a Labour Brexit would be a worse sell out than Chequers is. Labour would keep us in the customs union (a Norway style option). Still paying a membership style fee to the EU each year and unable to do our own trade deals. Yup, who needs the buying power of a supermarket chain when you can be the corner shop, eh? If you're going to use the supermarket analogy then I'd say the EU is like Tesco or Sainsbury, gotten too big and as a result is too slow and cumbersome, too slow to react to changing circumstances in the market and the wider world and has seen it's profits fall. Rather than being the corner shop the UK on its own can be compared to smaller supermarket chains like Lidl and Aldi, more streamlined, better able to adapt to a changing world and quicker to take advantage of new emerging markets, and have seen profits boom as a result. Yes, a very good analogy. We are going to end up like Lidl and have a reduced range of goods on offer, and the atmosphere of the inside of a filing cabinet. I'm looking forward to subsisting off instant coffee, salami, muesli, and gardening gloves. Why didn't they just put that on the side of a bus "Brexit: we'll turn the UK into Lidl!". Awesome. -Matt To be fair, Lidl's growth is 9% Tesco's is 2% To be fair Lidl represents 5% of the market, Tesco represents 25%. A 9% growth in Libl is still less than a 2% growth in Tesco." Remember that next time you gloat about the higher GDP growth of the tiny EU countries compared to the UK and its GDP growth... | |||
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" Remember that next time you gloat about the higher GDP growth of the tiny EU countries compared to the UK and its GDP growth... That's a ridiculous point to make "Why? | |||
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" Remember that next time you gloat about the higher GDP growth of the tiny EU countries compared to the UK and its GDP growth... That's a ridiculous point to make
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" If you're going to use the supermarket analogy then I'd say the EU is like Tesco or Sainsbury, gotten too big and as a result is too slow and cumbersome, too slow to react to changing circumstances in the market and the wider world and has seen it's profits fall. Rather than being the corner shop the UK on its own can be compared to smaller supermarket chains like Lidl and Aldi, more streamlined, better able to adapt to a changing world and quicker to take advantage of new emerging markets, and have seen profits boom as a result. " That's not analogous. Lidl and Aldi are chains, too. Spread across the single market of the EU28. The EU1 does not translate. | |||
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" If you're going to use the supermarket analogy then I'd say the EU is like Tesco or Sainsbury, gotten too big and as a result is too slow and cumbersome, too slow to react to changing circumstances in the market and the wider world and has seen it's profits fall. Rather than being the corner shop the UK on its own can be compared to smaller supermarket chains like Lidl and Aldi, more streamlined, better able to adapt to a changing world and quicker to take advantage of new emerging markets, and have seen profits boom as a result. That's not analogous. Lidl and Aldi are chains, too. Spread across the single market of the EU28. The EU1 does not translate. " The UK is a single market of 4 countries, England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. | |||
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" If you're going to use the supermarket analogy then I'd say the EU is like Tesco or Sainsbury, gotten too big and as a result is too slow and cumbersome, too slow to react to changing circumstances in the market and the wider world and has seen it's profits fall. Rather than being the corner shop the UK on its own can be compared to smaller supermarket chains like Lidl and Aldi, more streamlined, better able to adapt to a changing world and quicker to take advantage of new emerging markets, and have seen profits boom as a result. That's not analogous. Lidl and Aldi are chains, too. Spread across the single market of the EU28. The EU1 does not translate. The UK is a single market of 4 countries, England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. " lol -Matt | |||
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"I see what you are doing. German companies - Lidl, Aldi - operating in the single market are swift and nimble. British-based companies - Tesco - are clumsy and cumbersome. Ok. Are you planning to move to Germany to admire their enterprise? " It's the smaller UK single market of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland (plus other UK territories like Gibraltar) which can be swift and nimble after Brexit. The larger EU27 are the single market who are slow and cumbersome. | |||
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" Remember that next time you gloat about the higher GDP growth of the tiny EU countries compared to the UK and its GDP growth... That's a ridiculous point to make
Why?
For obvious reasons"Such as? | |||
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" If you're going to post at least get your facts straight first. Sainsbury isn't a UK company anymore as it's merging with Asda who are owned by American retailing giant Walmart. The merger was announced in April of this year. actually if you are get facts straight... Sainsbury’s will retain in control thanks to a £2.975bn cash payment to Walmart. The chairman (David Tyler), CEO (Mike Coupe) and CFO (Kevin O’Byrne) will all hail from Holborn, which will remain the HQ. In return Walmart will take a 42% stake, and have two seats on the board. Asda will continue to be run by CEO Roger Burnley, and there are no plans to close its Leeds HQ. Sainsbury’s plc will remain the name of the combined Sainsbury’s-Asda business, it will remain a UK Company! you owe the man an apology for calling him a liar..... or you can just admit you don't know of what you speak? which? Fabio by your own admission in your post the merger is going to be 42% owned by American company Walmart. So you just admitted it won't be a solely UK company, it will be a jointly owned American/UK company.
Do you understand shares? A quick lesson - unless you own 51% of a company you don't have a controlling interest! To own it outright you need about 75% -(not certain of figure) - then you can forcibly buy the other shares you don't own.
I am not sure what part of "sainsbury's have the controlling interest in the joint business" centy doesn't understand.... sainsbury's have 58% of the business, sainsbury's plc is what the company will be traded under on the UK stock excahnge.... the company will be majority UK owed and still report figures from their HQ in London!!!!
but hey... spin it whichever way you want it centy.... just admit you dropped the ball on this one!
You're the one who dropped the ball here Fabio, even admitting on your own post earlier that American Walmart will own 42% of the merger. I suggest you also look up the meaning of the word 'merger' in the Dictionary. Not the sharpest tool in the box are you.
okay that last insult made me laugh because you have no clue about what you are trying to defend and instead of just holding your hands up and admitting you gave out wrong information, you doubled down and basically made a prize plum of yourself and dug the hole bigger....
all that a merger is is a "joining of businesses" nothing else....
a merger does NOT mean a joining of businesses of equal strength!
sainsbury's will have a 58% share of the merged business... walmart will have a 42% share...
So you're admitting again here it will be a jointly owned uk/American company. Do you actually read what you write before posting because you've really made a complete tit of yourself on this thread. "The only tit I see here is you! Your original metaphor used British supermarkets being outperformed by German ones as an example of why Brexit made sense. When I pointed out the stupidity of this you then deflected by countering that one of those British supermarkets was being taken over by an American chain. Not only has that been shown to be incorrect, it also does f*ck all in terms of making your original metaphor make sense. Basically this thread is you bouncing from one shit argument to another. Which to be honest like most threads to get involved in. | |||
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" Remember that next time you gloat about the higher GDP growth of the tiny EU countries compared to the UK and its GDP growth... That's a ridiculous point to make
Why?
For obvious reasons"Which are? | |||
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" If you're going to post at least get your facts straight first. Sainsbury isn't a UK company anymore as it's merging with Asda who are owned by American retailing giant Walmart. The merger was announced in April of this year. actually if you are get facts straight... Sainsbury’s will retain in control thanks to a £2.975bn cash payment to Walmart. The chairman (David Tyler), CEO (Mike Coupe) and CFO (Kevin O’Byrne) will all hail from Holborn, which will remain the HQ. In return Walmart will take a 42% stake, and have two seats on the board. Asda will continue to be run by CEO Roger Burnley, and there are no plans to close its Leeds HQ. Sainsbury’s plc will remain the name of the combined Sainsbury’s-Asda business, it will remain a UK Company! you owe the man an apology for calling him a liar..... or you can just admit you don't know of what you speak? which? Fabio by your own admission in your post the merger is going to be 42% owned by American company Walmart. So you just admitted it won't be a solely UK company, it will be a jointly owned American/UK company.
Do you understand shares? A quick lesson - unless you own 51% of a company you don't have a controlling interest! To own it outright you need about 75% -(not certain of figure) - then you can forcibly buy the other shares you don't own.
I am not sure what part of "sainsbury's have the controlling interest in the joint business" centy doesn't understand.... sainsbury's have 58% of the business, sainsbury's plc is what the company will be traded under on the UK stock excahnge.... the company will be majority UK owed and still report figures from their HQ in London!!!!
but hey... spin it whichever way you want it centy.... just admit you dropped the ball on this one!
You're the one who dropped the ball here Fabio, even admitting on your own post earlier that American Walmart will own 42% of the merger. I suggest you also look up the meaning of the word 'merger' in the Dictionary. Not the sharpest tool in the box are you.
okay that last insult made me laugh because you have no clue about what you are trying to defend and instead of just holding your hands up and admitting you gave out wrong information, you doubled down and basically made a prize plum of yourself and dug the hole bigger....
all that a merger is is a "joining of businesses" nothing else....
a merger does NOT mean a joining of businesses of equal strength!
sainsbury's will have a 58% share of the merged business... walmart will have a 42% share...
So you're admitting again here it will be a jointly owned uk/American company. Do you actually read what you write before posting because you've really made a complete tit of yourself on this thread.
The only tit I see here is you!
Your original metaphor used British supermarkets being outperformed by German ones as an example of why Brexit made sense.
When I pointed out the stupidity of this you then deflected by countering that one of those British supermarkets was being taken over by an American chain.
Not only has that been shown to be incorrect, it also does f*ck all in terms of making your original metaphor make sense.
Basically this thread is you bouncing from one shit argument to another. Which to be honest like most threads to get involved in."*you* get involved in. | |||
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" The UK is a single market of 4 countries, England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. " A model of political and monetary union, harmonisation of rules and standards, single currency etc. Very centralised. Exactly the kind of thing you say you detest so much. | |||
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"So this thread has moved on from the brexit legend that is Dominick Raab?? " Yes. People start attacking each other instead of discussing the subject matter. It tends to be - though not always, the Brexit supporting person disagrees with a statement but can not articulate a response and so deflects the thread onto something different or attacks the person who made the statement in an attempt to dilute the message as being less meaningful. It happens all the time on here. | |||
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" The UK is a single market of 4 countries, England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. A model of political and monetary union, harmonisation of rules and standards, single currency etc. Very centralised. Exactly the kind of thing you say you detest so much. " Because the UK is just 4 countries and has stayed at 4 countries for hundreds of years. The EU has gotten too big and keeps looking to add more countries all the time, the EU model is a model which just doesn't work. It may have worked if it had stayed as a small trading block with a handful of countries, (which is what we joined in the 1970's), but unfortunately the EU has morphed into the monstrosity it has become today. | |||
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" The UK is a single market of 4 countries, England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. A model of political and monetary union, harmonisation of rules and standards, single currency etc. Very centralised. Exactly the kind of thing you say you detest so much. Because the UK is just 4 countries and has stayed at 4 countries for hundreds of years. The EU has gotten too big and keeps looking to add more countries all the time, the EU model is a model which just doesn't work. It may have worked if it had stayed as a small trading block with a handful of countries, (which is what we joined in the 1970's), but unfortunately the EU has morphed into the monstrosity it has become today. " 5/10 Factually inaccurate, but no catchphrases and no insults. | |||
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" The UK is a single market of 4 countries, England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. A model of political and monetary union, harmonisation of rules and standards, single currency etc. Very centralised. Exactly the kind of thing you say you detest so much. Because the UK is just 4 countries and has stayed at 4 countries for hundreds of years. The EU has gotten too big and keeps looking to add more countries all the time, the EU model is a model which just doesn't work. It may have worked if it had stayed as a small trading block with a handful of countries, (which is what we joined in the 1970's), but unfortunately the EU has morphed into the monstrosity it has become today. " Did no-one tell you the purpose of the Cold War was to defeat communism in eastern Europe and replace it with capitalist democracy? | |||
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" The UK is a single market of 4 countries, England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. A model of political and monetary union, harmonisation of rules and standards, single currency etc. Very centralised. Exactly the kind of thing you say you detest so much. Because the UK is just 4 countries and has stayed at 4 countries for hundreds of years. The EU has gotten too big and keeps looking to add more countries all the time, the EU model is a model which just doesn't work. It may have worked if it had stayed as a small trading block with a handful of countries, (which is what we joined in the 1970's), but unfortunately the EU has morphed into the monstrosity it has become today. Did no-one tell you the purpose of the Cold War was to defeat communism in eastern Europe and replace it with capitalist democracy? " Ironic then that the Eastern European countries who were freed from Communism are increasingly seeing the EU Brussels establishment as bullying and authoritarian. Donald Tusk is shitting a brick that his home country Poland will leave the EU and has said in recent weeks "it's a very real possibility Poland could leave". We all know Hungary are not happy with the EU and are increasingly at odds with Brussels and now Czech Republic are also aligning themselves with Poland and Hungary. | |||
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" The UK is a single market of 4 countries, England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. A model of political and monetary union, harmonisation of rules and standards, single currency etc. Very centralised. Exactly the kind of thing you say you detest so much. Because the UK is just 4 countries and has stayed at 4 countries for hundreds of years. The EU has gotten too big and keeps looking to add more countries all the time, the EU model is a model which just doesn't work. It may have worked if it had stayed as a small trading block with a handful of countries, (which is what we joined in the 1970's), but unfortunately the EU has morphed into the monstrosity it has become today. Did no-one tell you the purpose of the Cold War was to defeat communism in eastern Europe and replace it with capitalist democracy? Ironic then that the Eastern European countries who were freed from Communism are increasingly seeing the EU Brussels establishment as bullying and authoritarian. Donald Tusk is shitting a brick that his home country Poland will leave the EU and has said in recent weeks "it's a very real possibility Poland could leave". We all know Hungary are not happy with the EU and are increasingly at odds with Brussels and now Czech Republic are also aligning themselves with Poland and Hungary. " Yes it's funny how Poland (pis party) - so apt, is happy to take the money but not keep to the rules. They are eroding the rights of their citizens - typical far right - if they are not happy then leave - save the EU a lot of money and let the Russians help them! The other great example is Hungary whose leader is so corrupt - all his "mates" are becoming rich - again if they are not happy leave. Nobody forced them to become members - just go! | |||
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" The UK is a single market of 4 countries, England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. A model of political and monetary union, harmonisation of rules and standards, single currency etc. Very centralised. Exactly the kind of thing you say you detest so much. Because the UK is just 4 countries and has stayed at 4 countries for hundreds of years. The EU has gotten too big and keeps looking to add more countries all the time, the EU model is a model which just doesn't work. It may have worked if it had stayed as a small trading block with a handful of countries, (which is what we joined in the 1970's), but unfortunately the EU has morphed into the monstrosity it has become today. Did no-one tell you the purpose of the Cold War was to defeat communism in eastern Europe and replace it with capitalist democracy? Ironic then that the Eastern European countries who were freed from Communism are increasingly seeing the EU Brussels establishment as bullying and authoritarian. Donald Tusk is shitting a brick that his home country Poland will leave the EU and has said in recent weeks "it's a very real possibility Poland could leave". We all know Hungary are not happy with the EU and are increasingly at odds with Brussels and now Czech Republic are also aligning themselves with Poland and Hungary. Yes it's funny how Poland (pis party) - so apt, is happy to take the money but not keep to the rules. They are eroding the rights of their citizens - typical far right - if they are not happy then leave - save the EU a lot of money and let the Russians help them! The other great example is Hungary whose leader is so corrupt - all his "mates" are becoming rich - again if they are not happy leave. Nobody forced them to become members - just go!" Funny you say "just go". The UK wants to "just go" but the EU seem determined to keep us shackled in one way or another. And people like you seem determined to keep the UK in as well. Just let the UK go, it's what we voted for! | |||
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" The UK is a single market of 4 countries, England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. A model of political and monetary union, harmonisation of rules and standards, single currency etc. Very centralised. Exactly the kind of thing you say you detest so much. Because the UK is just 4 countries and has stayed at 4 countries for hundreds of years. The EU has gotten too big and keeps looking to add more countries all the time, the EU model is a model which just doesn't work. It may have worked if it had stayed as a small trading block with a handful of countries, (which is what we joined in the 1970's), but unfortunately the EU has morphed into the monstrosity it has become today. Did no-one tell you the purpose of the Cold War was to defeat communism in eastern Europe and replace it with capitalist democracy? Ironic then that the Eastern European countries who were freed from Communism are increasingly seeing the EU Brussels establishment as bullying and authoritarian. Donald Tusk is shitting a brick that his home country Poland will leave the EU and has said in recent weeks "it's a very real possibility Poland could leave". We all know Hungary are not happy with the EU and are increasingly at odds with Brussels and now Czech Republic are also aligning themselves with Poland and Hungary. Yes it's funny how Poland (pis party) - so apt, is happy to take the money but not keep to the rules. They are eroding the rights of their citizens - typical far right - if they are not happy then leave - save the EU a lot of money and let the Russians help them! The other great example is Hungary whose leader is so corrupt - all his "mates" are becoming rich - again if they are not happy leave. Nobody forced them to become members - just go! Funny you say "just go". The UK wants to "just go" but the EU seem determined to keep us shackled in one way or another. And people like you seem determined to keep the UK in as well. Just let the UK go, it's what we voted for! " “The EU are determined to keep us shackled one way or another”?! Have you been dropped on your head again, Centy? The EU are not doing anything of the sorts. -Matt | |||
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" The UK is a single market of 4 countries, England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. A model of political and monetary union, harmonisation of rules and standards, single currency etc. Very centralised. Exactly the kind of thing you say you detest so much. Because the UK is just 4 countries and has stayed at 4 countries for hundreds of years. The EU has gotten too big and keeps looking to add more countries all the time, the EU model is a model which just doesn't work. It may have worked if it had stayed as a small trading block with a handful of countries, (which is what we joined in the 1970's), but unfortunately the EU has morphed into the monstrosity it has become today. Did no-one tell you the purpose of the Cold War was to defeat communism in eastern Europe and replace it with capitalist democracy? Ironic then that the Eastern European countries who were freed from Communism are increasingly seeing the EU Brussels establishment as bullying and authoritarian. Donald Tusk is shitting a brick that his home country Poland will leave the EU and has said in recent weeks "it's a very real possibility Poland could leave". We all know Hungary are not happy with the EU and are increasingly at odds with Brussels and now Czech Republic are also aligning themselves with Poland and Hungary. Yes it's funny how Poland (pis party) - so apt, is happy to take the money but not keep to the rules. They are eroding the rights of their citizens - typical far right - if they are not happy then leave - save the EU a lot of money and let the Russians help them! The other great example is Hungary whose leader is so corrupt - all his "mates" are becoming rich - again if they are not happy leave. Nobody forced them to become members - just go! Funny you say "just go". The UK wants to "just go" but the EU seem determined to keep us shackled in one way or another. And people like you seem determined to keep the UK in as well. Just let the UK go, it's what we voted for! “The EU are determined to keep us shackled one way or another”?! Have you been dropped on your head again, Centy? The EU are not doing anything of the sorts. -Matt" Two words.... Irish backstop. It's all about the EU keeping the UK shackled into the customs union! Or they are trying to break up the UK by annexing Northern Ireland into the customs union. | |||
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" The UK is a single market of 4 countries, England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. A model of political and monetary union, harmonisation of rules and standards, single currency etc. Very centralised. Exactly the kind of thing you say you detest so much. Because the UK is just 4 countries and has stayed at 4 countries for hundreds of years. The EU has gotten too big and keeps looking to add more countries all the time, the EU model is a model which just doesn't work. It may have worked if it had stayed as a small trading block with a handful of countries, (which is what we joined in the 1970's), but unfortunately the EU has morphed into the monstrosity it has become today. Did no-one tell you the purpose of the Cold War was to defeat communism in eastern Europe and replace it with capitalist democracy? Ironic then that the Eastern European countries who were freed from Communism are increasingly seeing the EU Brussels establishment as bullying and authoritarian. Donald Tusk is shitting a brick that his home country Poland will leave the EU and has said in recent weeks "it's a very real possibility Poland could leave". We all know Hungary are not happy with the EU and are increasingly at odds with Brussels and now Czech Republic are also aligning themselves with Poland and Hungary. Yes it's funny how Poland (pis party) - so apt, is happy to take the money but not keep to the rules. They are eroding the rights of their citizens - typical far right - if they are not happy then leave - save the EU a lot of money and let the Russians help them! The other great example is Hungary whose leader is so corrupt - all his "mates" are becoming rich - again if they are not happy leave. Nobody forced them to become members - just go! Funny you say "just go". The UK wants to "just go" but the EU seem determined to keep us shackled in one way or another. And people like you seem determined to keep the UK in as well. Just let the UK go, it's what we voted for! “The EU are determined to keep us shackled one way or another”?! Have you been dropped on your head again, Centy? The EU are not doing anything of the sorts. -Matt Two words.... Irish backstop. It's all about the EU keeping the UK shackled into the customs union! Or they are trying to break up the UK by annexing Northern Ireland into the customs union. " Wtf?! That’s like walking into a lamppost because you are not paying attention and then trying to blame the lamppost. The EU isn’t breaking anything up. Your hero Theresa May is. -Matt | |||
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" The UK is a single market of 4 countries, England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. A model of political and monetary union, harmonisation of rules and standards, single currency etc. Very centralised. Exactly the kind of thing you say you detest so much. Because the UK is just 4 countries and has stayed at 4 countries for hundreds of years. The EU has gotten too big and keeps looking to add more countries all the time, the EU model is a model which just doesn't work. It may have worked if it had stayed as a small trading block with a handful of countries, (which is what we joined in the 1970's), but unfortunately the EU has morphed into the monstrosity it has become today. Did no-one tell you the purpose of the Cold War was to defeat communism in eastern Europe and replace it with capitalist democracy? Ironic then that the Eastern European countries who were freed from Communism are increasingly seeing the EU Brussels establishment as bullying and authoritarian. Donald Tusk is shitting a brick that his home country Poland will leave the EU and has said in recent weeks "it's a very real possibility Poland could leave". We all know Hungary are not happy with the EU and are increasingly at odds with Brussels and now Czech Republic are also aligning themselves with Poland and Hungary. Yes it's funny how Poland (pis party) - so apt, is happy to take the money but not keep to the rules. They are eroding the rights of their citizens - typical far right - if they are not happy then leave - save the EU a lot of money and let the Russians help them! The other great example is Hungary whose leader is so corrupt - all his "mates" are becoming rich - again if they are not happy leave. Nobody forced them to become members - just go! Funny you say "just go". The UK wants to "just go" but the EU seem determined to keep us shackled in one way or another. And people like you seem determined to keep the UK in as well. Just let the UK go, it's what we voted for! “The EU are determined to keep us shackled one way or another”?! Have you been dropped on your head again, Centy? The EU are not doing anything of the sorts. -Matt Two words.... Irish backstop. It's all about the EU keeping the UK shackled into the customs union! Or they are trying to break up the UK by annexing Northern Ireland into the customs union. Wtf?! That’s like walking into a lamppost because you are not paying attention and then trying to blame the lamppost. The EU isn’t breaking anything up. Your hero Theresa May is. -Matt" Theresa May isn't my hero, she's a spineless sell out. It's lucky she didn't get a majority at the last general election because Arlene Foster and the DUP will make sure this EU Irish backstop idea doesn't fly! | |||
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" Two words.... Irish backstop. It's all about the EU keeping the UK shackled into the customs union! Or they are trying to break up the UK by annexing Northern Ireland into the customs union. " Excuse me while I have a wry smile. Your leave champions were asked repeatedly during the referendum about Ireland and the border. Their answer - and I summarise - basically amounted to the Irish rolling over and agreeing with whatever Britain wanted. Now, the days when the UK could bully the Irish have long gone. Why? Because it is not Ireland the UK is negotiating with. Ireland has asked the EU to do so on its behalf. And the EU has the clout to protect Irish interests in northern Ireland. Ireland does not want the island to be severed by Brexit. So that is the EU mandate. Keeping the UK shackled to the EU? The feckin UK agreed to the Irish backstop in phase one. The onus was on the UK to come up with a better solution. It hasn't. There never was one. Your leave champions did not have one then and they do not have one now. No use blaming the EU - this is a fiasco made solely in the UK. | |||
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" The UK is a single market of 4 countries, England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. A model of political and monetary union, harmonisation of rules and standards, single currency etc. Very centralised. Exactly the kind of thing you say you detest so much. Because the UK is just 4 countries and has stayed at 4 countries for hundreds of years. The EU has gotten too big and keeps looking to add more countries all the time, the EU model is a model which just doesn't work. It may have worked if it had stayed as a small trading block with a handful of countries, (which is what we joined in the 1970's), but unfortunately the EU has morphed into the monstrosity it has become today. Did no-one tell you the purpose of the Cold War was to defeat communism in eastern Europe and replace it with capitalist democracy? Ironic then that the Eastern European countries who were freed from Communism are increasingly seeing the EU Brussels establishment as bullying and authoritarian. Donald Tusk is shitting a brick that his home country Poland will leave the EU and has said in recent weeks "it's a very real possibility Poland could leave". We all know Hungary are not happy with the EU and are increasingly at odds with Brussels and now Czech Republic are also aligning themselves with Poland and Hungary. " What he actually said was "leave by accident". Why? Because the return of authoritarian rule in Poland contravenes the fundamental principles of EU membership - human rights, separation of the judiciary and state etc. They will be expelled if they carry on down this road. It seems peculiar you should align yourself with fascist tendencies rather than democracy. But I am not surprised. | |||
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" Two words.... Irish backstop. It's all about the EU keeping the UK shackled into the customs union! Or they are trying to break up the UK by annexing Northern Ireland into the customs union. " nope... that about keeping peace in ireland which was internationally agreed under the good friday agreement... so let me ask you this... since you live in "middle england"... is leaving the EU worth renegging on the Good Friday agreement? just curious...... | |||
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" The UK is a single market of 4 countries, England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. A model of political and monetary union, harmonisation of rules and standards, single currency etc. Very centralised. Exactly the kind of thing you say you detest so much. Because the UK is just 4 countries and has stayed at 4 countries for hundreds of years. The EU has gotten too big and keeps looking to add more countries all the time, the EU model is a model which just doesn't work. It may have worked if it had stayed as a small trading block with a handful of countries, (which is what we joined in the 1970's), but unfortunately the EU has morphed into the monstrosity it has become today. Did no-one tell you the purpose of the Cold War was to defeat communism in eastern Europe and replace it with capitalist democracy? Ironic then that the Eastern European countries who were freed from Communism are increasingly seeing the EU Brussels establishment as bullying and authoritarian. Donald Tusk is shitting a brick that his home country Poland will leave the EU and has said in recent weeks "it's a very real possibility Poland could leave". We all know Hungary are not happy with the EU and are increasingly at odds with Brussels and now Czech Republic are also aligning themselves with Poland and Hungary. Yes it's funny how Poland (pis party) - so apt, is happy to take the money but not keep to the rules. They are eroding the rights of their citizens - typical far right - if they are not happy then leave - save the EU a lot of money and let the Russians help them! The other great example is Hungary whose leader is so corrupt - all his "mates" are becoming rich - again if they are not happy leave. Nobody forced them to become members - just go! Funny you say "just go". The UK wants to "just go" but the EU seem determined to keep us shackled in one way or another. And people like you seem determined to keep the UK in as well. Just let the UK go, it's what we voted for! " Hey I voted remain and my side lost so I am not wanting to stop the process - the sooner the better and then at least I have certainty - but you wouldn't understand this! Since the result have the leading brexiteers advocated "just leave"? We have had Canada ++ or Norway + or even WTO - but nothing has happened. Ok May is PM - controlling everything - but why hasn't the 1922 committee launched a leadership challenge? Change the PM and just leave - simple. The next to resign will be Fox as he now realises that WTO schedule is going to be difficult. Funny how all the "gob shites" who said this that and the other, given important jobs have all fuc*ed off and left the task to someone else? And those who say we are not going to pay a penny - deal or NO DEAL are stupid beyond belief and clearly know nothing about contract law! | |||
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" Two words.... Irish backstop. It's all about the EU keeping the UK shackled into the customs union! Or they are trying to break up the UK by annexing Northern Ireland into the customs union. Excuse me while I have a wry smile. Your leave champions were asked repeatedly during the referendum about Ireland and the border. Their answer - and I summarise - basically amounted to the Irish rolling over and agreeing with whatever Britain wanted. Now, the days when the UK could bully the Irish have long gone. Why? Because it is not Ireland the UK is negotiating with. Ireland has asked the EU to do so on its behalf. And the EU has the clout to protect Irish interests in northern Ireland. Ireland does not want the island to be severed by Brexit. So that is the EU mandate. Keeping the UK shackled to the EU? The feckin UK agreed to the Irish backstop in phase one. The onus was on the UK to come up with a better solution. It hasn't. There never was one. Your leave champions did not have one then and they do not have one now. No use blaming the EU - this is a fiasco made solely in the UK. " There is a better solution and the pro Brexit ERG presented it during a live press conference several weeks ago. It's a Canada plus style free trade agreement with the EU which addressed in detail the problems surrounding the Irish border that the EU themselves raised. EU chief negotiator Michel Barnier himself said that Theresa May's Chequers plan is not workable and that the UK should go for either a Norway model or a Canada model. It doesn't matter what the EU and Theresa May stitch up behind closed doors together now because the game is up, and Arlene Foster and the DUP know what it is, and they will put a stop to it because Theresa May has no majority without them. Never trust a remainer and that's exactly what Theresa May is. | |||
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" Remember that next time you gloat about the higher GDP growth of the tiny EU countries compared to the UK and its GDP growth... That's a ridiculous point to make
Why?
For obvious reasons
Which are?"Ok maybe an example...Ireland's GDP growth is one of the best in Europe at about 5% and growth in the UK is much lower. Just because Ireland's economy is smaller let's see how you can argue that Britain is currently doing better than Ireland right now??
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"I didn’t think the erg offered anything new iirc. And it seemed to be a lot more porous than a group who wanted to control our borders would like. But I’m confused by your post. Erg used Canada. Eu have proposed Canada. But Eu are blocking progress? What have I misunderstood ?" The Irish border has to be porous to a degree because of the limitations of the good Friday agreement which we're bound by. Why are the EU blocking progress? That's because the EU just don't want us to leave so are deliberately being as difficult as humanly possible to try to keep us in or hope they can force a 2nd referendum. So when remainers say "just go" (as they did earlier on this thread) they fundamentally misunderstand that the EU don't want to let us go and have no intention of letting us go easily. | |||
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"I didn’t think the erg offered anything new iirc. And it seemed to be a lot more porous than a group who wanted to control our borders would like. But I’m confused by your post. Erg used Canada. Eu have proposed Canada. But Eu are blocking progress? What have I misunderstood ? The Irish border has to be porous to a degree because of the limitations of the good Friday agreement which we're bound by. Why are the EU blocking progress? That's because the EU just don't want us to leave so are deliberately being as difficult as humanly possible to try to keep us in or hope they can force a 2nd referendum. So when remainers say "just go" (as they did earlier on this thread) they fundamentally misunderstand that the EU don't want to let us go and have no intention of letting us go easily. " So you saying everyone voted leave to "take back control of our borders" knowing full well that we already have control of our borders in most respects and the only border we actually have with the EU we couldn't change anyway? Genius. -Matt | |||
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"I don’t k ow enough about the GFA to comment about how much leakage is acceptable. Interestingly then it feels The GFA is the deal which seems to have locked us more into the Eu than the other treaties. My other point was not why the Eu were blocking. But how you could say they were the ones blocking if they were willing to look at Canada, as were the erg. I cant join the two positions up. I suspect I have missunderstood. " This time last year Michel Barnier produced a graphic (Google - Barniers Brexit graphic). It demonstrated where the U.K. could align itself taking into account each so called “red line.” Right at the bottom of this graphic was Canada and when asked about it, David Davis referred to it as an EU negotiating tactic. Notwithstanding this, David Davis King of all Muppets and Champions of the Brexiters signed off on the Irish backstop in the Phase 1 document in December last year. Essentially, the EU were aligning the U.K. for a Canada type deal that could be facilitated by the Irish backstop proposal to protect the GFA. Considering how much David Davis was against the Barnier graphic he seems to have built his own cross by signing off on the Backstop and then walked out of his job when he realised that he had been manipulated only to then miraculously decide that a Canada deal is in fact the way forward after all. | |||
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"I didn’t think the erg offered anything new iirc. And it seemed to be a lot more porous than a group who wanted to control our borders would like. But I’m confused by your post. Erg used Canada. Eu have proposed Canada. But Eu are blocking progress? What have I misunderstood ? The Irish border has to be porous to a degree because of the limitations of the good Friday agreement which we're bound by. Why are the EU blocking progress? That's because the EU just don't want us to leave so are deliberately being as difficult as humanly possible to try to keep us in or hope they can force a 2nd referendum. So when remainers say "just go" (as they did earlier on this thread) they fundamentally misunderstand that the EU don't want to let us go and have no intention of letting us go easily. " You are joking? You clearly do not understand the process otherwise you would not make such statements! Ok I will clarify for you: 1. "The Irish border has to be porous " - quite correct but that only applies in the context of the Good Friday Agreement. It can't be under WTO rules there has got to be a border and taxes collected. Only a free trade deal which may include freedom of movement may solve the issue (although there is an existing treaty between UK & Ireland regarding freedoms). Neither the UK government nor the EU (including Ireland ) want to be seen breaking the GFA - huge political problem. 2. The EU withdrawal agreement Article 50 (written by a Brit) was written to deter leavers, but at the same time it has a time limit imposed to a max of 2 years. It was written to protect the EU and not the leave state. If as leading brexiteer proclaim - we could walk at any time but no withdrawal agreement is perfectly feasible. So we can go - our choice - we just agree not to agree. 3. We were sold by a leave campaign that it was easy to go - as we now know they had no plan and didn't understand the complexities of leaving - as Raab has confirmed in his latest statement on Dover /Calais. This is despite being told throughout the referendum but that was Project Fear! 4. By protecting the single market (British invention) & customs union the EU are sending a clear message to the UK that they are "going back in time" to old trading practices. That is ok but companies have got used to inter connected supply chains and therefore Brits are going to have to have 100% British supply chains (wihin 4 months) or stockpiling parts - costly as it uses up companies capital. 5. The EU states are fed up with the UK and some are glad they are going. The rebate, opt outs of various treaties e.g. Euro etc - better to let them go it's more trouble than it's worth! | |||
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"I didn’t think the erg offered anything new iirc. And it seemed to be a lot more porous than a group who wanted to control our borders would like. But I’m confused by your post. Erg used Canada. Eu have proposed Canada. But Eu are blocking progress? What have I misunderstood ? The Irish border has to be porous to a degree because of the limitations of the good Friday agreement which we're bound by. Why are the EU blocking progress? That's because the EU just don't want us to leave so are deliberately being as difficult as humanly possible to try to keep us in or hope they can force a 2nd referendum. So when remainers say "just go" (as they did earlier on this thread) they fundamentally misunderstand that the EU don't want to let us go and have no intention of letting us go easily. " The EU is not stopping the UK from leaving. What a ridiculous thing to say. The UK has two choices: a) to leave on its own terms, i.e. no deal, no exit payment, no trust, no co-operation = isolation b) to leave on the terms agreed by the UK and EU last December, i.e. in the absence of a better proposal from the UK, Northern Ireland remains in the custom union to protect the integrity of the island of Ireland. This situation is not the fault of the EU. Your lot did not have a feckin clue then and they do not have a feckin clue what they are doing now. You can only pull the wool over people's eyes for so long. | |||
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" It doesn't matter what the EU and Theresa May stitch up behind closed doors together now because the game is up, and Arlene Foster and the DUP know what it is, and they will put a stop to it because Theresa May has no majority without them. Never trust a remainer and that's exactly what Theresa May is. " The DUP is walking a tightrope. Bring down the Government and, in all probability, they go back to being the lunatic fringe of the House of Commons. It's in their interests to keep May the Magic Money Tree propped up as long they can. | |||
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" Because a Labour Brexit would be a worse sell out than Chequers is. Labour would keep us in the customs union (a Norway style option). Still paying a membership style fee to the EU each year and unable to do our own trade deals. Yup, who needs the buying power of a supermarket chain when you can be the corner shop, eh? If you're going to use the supermarket analogy then I'd say the EU is like Tesco or Sainsbury, gotten too big and as a result is too slow and cumbersome, too slow to react to changing circumstances in the market and the wider world and has seen it's profits fall. Rather than being the corner shop the UK on its own can be compared to smaller supermarket chains like Lidl and Aldi, more streamlined, better able to adapt to a changing world and quicker to take advantage of new emerging markets, and have seen profits boom as a result. Yes, a very good analogy. We are going to end up like Lidl and have a reduced range of goods on offer, and the atmosphere of the inside of a filing cabinet. I'm looking forward to subsisting off instant coffee, salami, muesli, and gardening gloves. Why didn't they just put that on the side of a bus "Brexit: we'll turn the UK into Lidl!". Awesome. -Matt To be fair, Lidl's growth is 9% Tesco's is 2% To be fair Lidl represents 5% of the market, Tesco represents 25%. A 9% growth in Libl is still less than a 2% growth in Tesco. Remember that next time you gloat about the higher GDP growth of the tiny EU countries compared to the UK and its GDP growth..." I've never gloated over the higher growth of the tiny EU countries compared to the UK and it's growth. Why would I gloated over bad news? | |||
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" Remember that next time you gloat about the higher GDP growth of the tiny EU countries compared to the UK and its GDP growth... That's a ridiculous point to make
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Which are?"Well the most obvious one is that I've never gloated tiny EU, or indeed any EU, growth figures. | |||
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"Funny I thought the biggest private school educated, silver spooned, posh boys with billions in the bank during the referendum were remainers Cameron and Osborne, and the common folk didn't swallow the bullshit they came out with. " Er....Boris....Jacob rees mogg....Farage...Aaron Banks....Lawson.... all privately educated. Also Farage can get a German passport through his wife, Lawson has his French residency permit and Banks has a belize diplomatic passport so no problems for them holidaying in Europe unlike the rest of rest of us lol | |||
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" The UK is a single market of 4 countries, England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. A model of political and monetary union, harmonisation of rules and standards, single currency etc. Very centralised. Exactly the kind of thing you say you detest so much. Because the UK is just 4 countries and has stayed at 4 countries for hundreds of years. The EU has gotten too big and keeps looking to add more countries all the time, the EU model is a model which just doesn't work. It may have worked if it had stayed as a small trading block with a handful of countries, (which is what we joined in the 1970's), but unfortunately the EU has morphed into the monstrosity it has become today. Did no-one tell you the purpose of the Cold War was to defeat communism in eastern Europe and replace it with capitalist democracy? Ironic then that the Eastern European countries who were freed from Communism are increasingly seeing the EU Brussels establishment as bullying and authoritarian. Donald Tusk is shitting a brick that his home country Poland will leave the EU and has said in recent weeks "it's a very real possibility Poland could leave". We all know Hungary are not happy with the EU and are increasingly at odds with Brussels and now Czech Republic are also aligning themselves with Poland and Hungary. Yes it's funny how Poland (pis party) - so apt, is happy to take the money but not keep to the rules. They are eroding the rights of their citizens - typical far right - if they are not happy then leave - save the EU a lot of money and let the Russians help them! The other great example is Hungary whose leader is so corrupt - all his "mates" are becoming rich - again if they are not happy leave. Nobody forced them to become members - just go! Funny you say "just go". The UK wants to "just go" but the EU seem determined to keep us shackled in one way or another. And people like you seem determined to keep the UK in as well. Just let the UK go, it's what we voted for! “The EU are determined to keep us shackled one way or another”?! Have you been dropped on your head again, Centy? The EU are not doing anything of the sorts. -Matt Two words.... Irish backstop. It's all about the EU keeping the UK shackled into the customs union! Or they are trying to break up the UK by annexing Northern Ireland into the customs union. " You mean the EU, as joint guarantor of the Good Friday Agreement, is making sure Britain keeps to its commitments as joint guarantor of the same Agreement? I told you back in December what "regulatory alignment" ment but you and your BREXIT chums chose to believe that words written on paper do not actually mean what they say. I also told you back during the referendum campaign that if we left the EU we would simply end up being in the Customs Union and Single Market but with no say over the rules that we would still have to obey, with less sovereignty and less control. I've told you repeatedly since then that, no matter what the government call it or how they describe it or spin it or disguise it, that, other than remaining as we are now, that is the only option open to us. And I'm telling you now, there will not be a "no deal" BREXIT. There will either be Chequers, or something very like it, or no BREXIT at all. The sooner you and your BREXIT chums accept the reality of the situation, stop spitting your dummies out because you can't have what's not possible, and get behind one of the only two possible outcomes open to us, the sooner we can all move forward. | |||
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" The UK is a single market of 4 countries, England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. A model of political and monetary union, harmonisation of rules and standards, single currency etc. Very centralised. Exactly the kind of thing you say you detest so much. Because the UK is just 4 countries and has stayed at 4 countries for hundreds of years. The EU has gotten too big and keeps looking to add more countries all the time, the EU model is a model which just doesn't work. It may have worked if it had stayed as a small trading block with a handful of countries, (which is what we joined in the 1970's), but unfortunately the EU has morphed into the monstrosity it has become today. Did no-one tell you the purpose of the Cold War was to defeat communism in eastern Europe and replace it with capitalist democracy? Ironic then that the Eastern European countries who were freed from Communism are increasingly seeing the EU Brussels establishment as bullying and authoritarian. Donald Tusk is shitting a brick that his home country Poland will leave the EU and has said in recent weeks "it's a very real possibility Poland could leave". We all know Hungary are not happy with the EU and are increasingly at odds with Brussels and now Czech Republic are also aligning themselves with Poland and Hungary. Yes it's funny how Poland (pis party) - so apt, is happy to take the money but not keep to the rules. They are eroding the rights of their citizens - typical far right - if they are not happy then leave - save the EU a lot of money and let the Russians help them! The other great example is Hungary whose leader is so corrupt - all his "mates" are becoming rich - again if they are not happy leave. Nobody forced them to become members - just go! Funny you say "just go". The UK wants to "just go" but the EU seem determined to keep us shackled in one way or another. And people like you seem determined to keep the UK in as well. Just let the UK go, it's what we voted for! “The EU are determined to keep us shackled one way or another”?! Have you been dropped on your head again, Centy? The EU are not doing anything of the sorts. -Matt Two words.... Irish backstop. It's all about the EU keeping the UK shackled into the customs union! Or they are trying to break up the UK by annexing Northern Ireland into the customs union. You mean the EU, as joint guarantor of the Good Friday Agreement, is making sure Britain keeps to its commitments as joint guarantor of the same Agreement? I told you back in December what "regulatory alignment" ment but you and your BREXIT chums chose to believe that words written on paper do not actually mean what they say. I also told you back during the referendum campaign that if we left the EU we would simply end up being in the Customs Union and Single Market but with no say over the rules that we would still have to obey, with less sovereignty and less control. I've told you repeatedly since then that, no matter what the government call it or how they describe it or spin it or disguise it, that, other than remaining as we are now, that is the only option open to us. And I'm telling you now, there will not be a "no deal" BREXIT. There will either be Chequers, or something very like it, or no BREXIT at all. The sooner you and your BREXIT chums accept the reality of the situation, stop spitting your dummies out because you can't have what's not possible, and get behind one of the only two possible outcomes open to us, the sooner we can all move forward." The sooner we can all move forward???? That's rich coming from someone who is trying his damnest to get another referendum! And I've got news for you Chequers WILL not get the votes it needs in Parliament. Jo Johnson's resignation yesterday and rumour has it more are ready to follow him out the door. The ERG will also never vote for Chequers in a month of Sundays. Labour have already said they won't vote for it. Chequers is dead! | |||
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" The UK is a single market of 4 countries, England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. A model of political and monetary union, harmonisation of rules and standards, single currency etc. Very centralised. Exactly the kind of thing you say you detest so much. Because the UK is just 4 countries and has stayed at 4 countries for hundreds of years. The EU has gotten too big and keeps looking to add more countries all the time, the EU model is a model which just doesn't work. It may have worked if it had stayed as a small trading block with a handful of countries, (which is what we joined in the 1970's), but unfortunately the EU has morphed into the monstrosity it has become today. Did no-one tell you the purpose of the Cold War was to defeat communism in eastern Europe and replace it with capitalist democracy? Ironic then that the Eastern European countries who were freed from Communism are increasingly seeing the EU Brussels establishment as bullying and authoritarian. Donald Tusk is shitting a brick that his home country Poland will leave the EU and has said in recent weeks "it's a very real possibility Poland could leave". We all know Hungary are not happy with the EU and are increasingly at odds with Brussels and now Czech Republic are also aligning themselves with Poland and Hungary. Yes it's funny how Poland (pis party) - so apt, is happy to take the money but not keep to the rules. They are eroding the rights of their citizens - typical far right - if they are not happy then leave - save the EU a lot of money and let the Russians help them! The other great example is Hungary whose leader is so corrupt - all his "mates" are becoming rich - again if they are not happy leave. Nobody forced them to become members - just go! Funny you say "just go". The UK wants to "just go" but the EU seem determined to keep us shackled in one way or another. And people like you seem determined to keep the UK in as well. Just let the UK go, it's what we voted for! “The EU are determined to keep us shackled one way or another”?! Have you been dropped on your head again, Centy? The EU are not doing anything of the sorts. -Matt Two words.... Irish backstop. It's all about the EU keeping the UK shackled into the customs union! Or they are trying to break up the UK by annexing Northern Ireland into the customs union. You mean the EU, as joint guarantor of the Good Friday Agreement, is making sure Britain keeps to its commitments as joint guarantor of the same Agreement? I told you back in December what "regulatory alignment" ment but you and your BREXIT chums chose to believe that words written on paper do not actually mean what they say. I also told you back during the referendum campaign that if we left the EU we would simply end up being in the Customs Union and Single Market but with no say over the rules that we would still have to obey, with less sovereignty and less control. I've told you repeatedly since then that, no matter what the government call it or how they describe it or spin it or disguise it, that, other than remaining as we are now, that is the only option open to us. And I'm telling you now, there will not be a "no deal" BREXIT. There will either be Chequers, or something very like it, or no BREXIT at all. The sooner you and your BREXIT chums accept the reality of the situation, stop spitting your dummies out because you can't have what's not possible, and get behind one of the only two possible outcomes open to us, the sooner we can all move forward. The sooner we can all move forward???? That's rich coming from someone who is trying his damnest to get another referendum! And I've got news for you Chequers WILL not get the votes it needs in Parliament. Jo Johnson's resignation yesterday and rumour has it more are ready to follow him out the door. The ERG will also never vote for Chequers in a month of Sundays. Labour have already said they won't vote for it. Chequers is dead! " I agree, Chequers is dead. Now read what I wrote. "..no matter what the government call it or how they describe it or spin it or disguise it..." The problem with you Centy is you base your analysis on what you want and it blinds you to what is actually happening. I don't want Chequers but my analysis remains, as it has been since before the referendum, that we will get either something very like what is now called Cheques or no BREXIT at all. | |||
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"Funny I thought the biggest private school educated, silver spooned, posh boys with billions in the bank during the referendum were remainers Cameron and Osborne, and the common folk didn't swallow the bullshit they came out with. Er....Boris....Jacob rees mogg....Farage...Aaron Banks....Lawson.... all privately educated. Also Farage can get a German passport through his wife, Lawson has his French residency permit and Banks has a belize diplomatic passport so no problems for them holidaying in Europe unlike the rest of rest of us lol" It'll all be fine. Centy has a cunning plan. The UK shall become the finely tuned machine that is a disruptive German supermarket. [Facepalm] | |||
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" The UK is a single market of 4 countries, England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. A model of political and monetary union, harmonisation of rules and standards, single currency etc. Very centralised. Exactly the kind of thing you say you detest so much. Because the UK is just 4 countries and has stayed at 4 countries for hundreds of years. The EU has gotten too big and keeps looking to add more countries all the time, the EU model is a model which just doesn't work. It may have worked if it had stayed as a small trading block with a handful of countries, (which is what we joined in the 1970's), but unfortunately the EU has morphed into the monstrosity it has become today. Did no-one tell you the purpose of the Cold War was to defeat communism in eastern Europe and replace it with capitalist democracy? Ironic then that the Eastern European countries who were freed from Communism are increasingly seeing the EU Brussels establishment as bullying and authoritarian. Donald Tusk is shitting a brick that his home country Poland will leave the EU and has said in recent weeks "it's a very real possibility Poland could leave". We all know Hungary are not happy with the EU and are increasingly at odds with Brussels and now Czech Republic are also aligning themselves with Poland and Hungary. Yes it's funny how Poland (pis party) - so apt, is happy to take the money but not keep to the rules. They are eroding the rights of their citizens - typical far right - if they are not happy then leave - save the EU a lot of money and let the Russians help them! The other great example is Hungary whose leader is so corrupt - all his "mates" are becoming rich - again if they are not happy leave. Nobody forced them to become members - just go! Funny you say "just go". The UK wants to "just go" but the EU seem determined to keep us shackled in one way or another. And people like you seem determined to keep the UK in as well. Just let the UK go, it's what we voted for! “The EU are determined to keep us shackled one way or another”?! Have you been dropped on your head again, Centy? The EU are not doing anything of the sorts. -Matt Two words.... Irish backstop. It's all about the EU keeping the UK shackled into the customs union! Or they are trying to break up the UK by annexing Northern Ireland into the customs union. " Here's another two words.... Halfwit Brexiteer. The Irish border issue was pointed out before the referendum. You chose to ignore it. Guess what pumpkin. The world doesn't revolve around you. | |||
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"Funny I thought the biggest private school educated, silver spooned, posh boys with billions in the bank during the referendum were remainers Cameron and Osborne, and the common folk didn't swallow the bullshit they came out with. Er....Boris....Jacob rees mogg....Farage...Aaron Banks....Lawson.... all privately educated. Also Farage can get a German passport through his wife, Lawson has his French residency permit and Banks has a belize diplomatic passport so no problems for them holidaying in Europe unlike the rest of rest of us lol" Why will it be difficult for us to go on holiday in europe? | |||
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"Funny I thought the biggest private school educated, silver spooned, posh boys with billions in the bank during the referendum were remainers Cameron and Osborne, and the common folk didn't swallow the bullshit they came out with. Er....Boris....Jacob rees mogg....Farage...Aaron Banks....Lawson.... all privately educated. Also Farage can get a German passport through his wife, Lawson has his French residency permit and Banks has a belize diplomatic passport so no problems for them holidaying in Europe unlike the rest of rest of us lol Why will it be difficult for us to go on holiday in europe? " Would be amazing if everyone who voted remain could keep burgundy passports and the freedom to travel and work in Europe. While those who voted leave have to get the blue ones and go through whatever bureaucracy the EU comes up with. | |||
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" Would be amazing if everyone who voted remain could keep burgundy passports and the freedom to travel and work in Europe. While those who voted leave have to get the blue ones and go through whatever bureaucracy the EU comes up with. " You can, if you live in Northern Ireland. Which always makes me smile when I hear the DUP insist Northern Ireland must not to be treated any differently from the rest of UK. It already is, in so many ways. The dual nationality of residents being one example. | |||
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"Funny I thought the biggest private school educated, silver spooned, posh boys with billions in the bank during the referendum were remainers Cameron and Osborne, and the common folk didn't swallow the bullshit they came out with. Er....Boris....Jacob rees mogg....Farage...Aaron Banks....Lawson.... all privately educated. Also Farage can get a German passport through his wife, Lawson has his French residency permit and Banks has a belize diplomatic passport so no problems for them holidaying in Europe unlike the rest of rest of us lol Why will it be difficult for us to go on holiday in europe? " It depends on "the deal" and what is agreed, but let's look at a couple of pointers: As it is now we have only 90 days visa free travel as EU members! We know Brits with holiday homes who spend 7 months in France - but they are not 100% legal - now! They should apply for a visa from the French embassy to cover their stay! No checks are done because no country (that I know of), does checks at the borders of EU citizens. After brexit we can only assume that we will be treated as 3rd country status. This means we will be checked, we will need a visa for stays up to 90 days or an annual visa allowing longer stays. We will be required to produce a green card, IDP, (if driving), we will have to prove sufficient income, health insurance and an address where we are staying. Ok how long is that going to take? So delays will occur! Will tourism be affected - Yes on both sides. But before we start saying their loss - here is our story: Since 2006 - we have been renting an apartment - 100% of our bookings were Brits. Since moving to France in 2014 - that number has fallen - for the last 2 years we have only had 2 Brits each year. These have been replaced by Europeans and the rest of the world. We can only assume that the void will be filled by other nationalities as there is surplus supply ( certainly in Cap)! | |||
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"Funny I thought the biggest private school educated, silver spooned, posh boys with billions in the bank during the referendum were remainers Cameron and Osborne, and the common folk didn't swallow the bullshit they came out with. Er....Boris....Jacob rees mogg....Farage...Aaron Banks....Lawson.... all privately educated. Also Farage can get a German passport through his wife, Lawson has his French residency permit and Banks has a belize diplomatic passport so no problems for them holidaying in Europe unlike the rest of rest of us lol Why will it be difficult for us to go on holiday in europe? " Seriously????..... By exiting the Single Market the U.K. will become an external country and so travellers to the EU (and from the EU to the U.K.) will need some means of validating their trip. Seemingly there will be two options, a standalone one year visa and an ESTA type system for trusted travellers. Neither will be free and both will involve background checks and both will result in the holders not being simply waved through passport control as they are now. The Brexit terminology of “taking control of our borders” will ultimately dictate how we are reciprocally treated by the EU - but yes, going on holiday will become completely and unnecessarily more complicated. | |||
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"Funny I thought the biggest private school educated, silver spooned, posh boys with billions in the bank during the referendum were remainers Cameron and Osborne, and the common folk didn't swallow the bullshit they came out with. Er....Boris....Jacob rees mogg....Farage...Aaron Banks....Lawson.... all privately educated. Also Farage can get a German passport through his wife, Lawson has his French residency permit and Banks has a belize diplomatic passport so no problems for them holidaying in Europe unlike the rest of rest of us lol Why will it be difficult for us to go on holiday in europe? Seriously????..... By exiting the Single Market the U.K. will become an external country and so travellers to the EU (and from the EU to the U.K.) will need some means of validating their trip. Seemingly there will be two options, a standalone one year visa and an ESTA type system for trusted travellers. Neither will be free and both will involve background checks and both will result in the holders not being simply waved through passport control as they are now. The Brexit terminology of “taking control of our borders” will ultimately dictate how we are reciprocally treated by the EU - but yes, going on holiday will become completely and unnecessarily more complicated." From 1/1/2021 the EU are introducing an on line visa system for all non EU members! | |||
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"The UK has been a bit vague about people will move between the UK and the EU after Brexit. I think because whatever is put in place will need to be reciprocal. The UK Government talks about something called “the mobility framework”. One of the Brexit paper states: “UK already has existing arrangements with low-risk, non-EU countries that enable smooth access at the border, such as the Registered Traveller Scheme in place with a number of countries like the US and Japan”. That's about as detailed as it gets. Now, let's assume that scheme is replicated for the EU after Brexit. An application to become a "registered traveller" costs £70. It lasts for 12 months. Then you need to pay another £70. And so on. It will add quite a bit to the cost of that budget holiday. " I think it will be more flexible than that and - in truth, nothing like as costly. Travelling to the USA you need an ESTA. The ESTA is valid for two years and has a fee of about £10. If you are a regular traveller you can apply for the Global Entry programme which lasts 5 years and enables you to biometrically pass through immigration without contact with an immigration official. I think that there will (eventually) be something like this in place and the good thing is that the background checks required (both ways) will stop our oiks and riff raff travelling abroad and will stop people of a similar disposition arriving at these shores. However complicated and/or expensive it will be - for sure it will be more complicated than it is now and people who have even minor criminal records could find themselves unable to travel. | |||
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"The UK has been a bit vague about people will move between the UK and the EU after Brexit. I think because whatever is put in place will need to be reciprocal. The UK Government talks about something called “the mobility framework”. One of the Brexit paper states: “UK already has existing arrangements with low-risk, non-EU countries that enable smooth access at the border, such as the Registered Traveller Scheme in place with a number of countries like the US and Japan”. That's about as detailed as it gets. Now, let's assume that scheme is replicated for the EU after Brexit. An application to become a "registered traveller" costs £70. It lasts for 12 months. Then you need to pay another £70. And so on. It will add quite a bit to the cost of that budget holiday. I think it will be more flexible than that and - in truth, nothing like as costly. Travelling to the USA you need an ESTA. The ESTA is valid for two years and has a fee of about £10. If you are a regular traveller you can apply for the Global Entry programme which lasts 5 years and enables you to biometrically pass through immigration without contact with an immigration official. I think that there will (eventually) be something like this in place and the good thing is that the background checks required (both ways) will stop our oiks and riff raff travelling abroad and will stop people of a similar disposition arriving at these shores. However complicated and/or expensive it will be - for sure it will be more complicated than it is now and people who have even minor criminal records could find themselves unable to travel." who are these oiks and riff raff that you would like to be stopped from traveling abroad then ? | |||
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"The UK has been a bit vague about people will move between the UK and the EU after Brexit. I think because whatever is put in place will need to be reciprocal. The UK Government talks about something called “the mobility framework”. One of the Brexit paper states: “UK already has existing arrangements with low-risk, non-EU countries that enable smooth access at the border, such as the Registered Traveller Scheme in place with a number of countries like the US and Japan”. That's about as detailed as it gets. Now, let's assume that scheme is replicated for the EU after Brexit. An application to become a "registered traveller" costs £70. It lasts for 12 months. Then you need to pay another £70. And so on. It will add quite a bit to the cost of that budget holiday. I think it will be more flexible than that and - in truth, nothing like as costly. Travelling to the USA you need an ESTA. The ESTA is valid for two years and has a fee of about £10. If you are a regular traveller you can apply for the Global Entry programme which lasts 5 years and enables you to biometrically pass through immigration without contact with an immigration official. I think that there will (eventually) be something like this in place and the good thing is that the background checks required (both ways) will stop our oiks and riff raff travelling abroad and will stop people of a similar disposition arriving at these shores. However complicated and/or expensive it will be - for sure it will be more complicated than it is now and people who have even minor criminal records could find themselves unable to travel. who are these oiks and riff raff that you would like to be stopped from traveling abroad then ? " The ones that leave voters don't want to be able to travel. -Matt | |||
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"The UK has been a bit vague about people will move between the UK and the EU after Brexit. I think because whatever is put in place will need to be reciprocal. The UK Government talks about something called “the mobility framework”. One of the Brexit paper states: “UK already has existing arrangements with low-risk, non-EU countries that enable smooth access at the border, such as the Registered Traveller Scheme in place with a number of countries like the US and Japan”. That's about as detailed as it gets. Now, let's assume that scheme is replicated for the EU after Brexit. An application to become a "registered traveller" costs £70. It lasts for 12 months. Then you need to pay another £70. And so on. It will add quite a bit to the cost of that budget holiday. I think it will be more flexible than that and - in truth, nothing like as costly. Travelling to the USA you need an ESTA. The ESTA is valid for two years and has a fee of about £10. If you are a regular traveller you can apply for the Global Entry programme which lasts 5 years and enables you to biometrically pass through immigration without contact with an immigration official. I think that there will (eventually) be something like this in place and the good thing is that the background checks required (both ways) will stop our oiks and riff raff travelling abroad and will stop people of a similar disposition arriving at these shores. However complicated and/or expensive it will be - for sure it will be more complicated than it is now and people who have even minor criminal records could find themselves unable to travel. who are these oiks and riff raff that you would like to be stopped from traveling abroad then ? The ones that leave voters don't want to be able to travel. -Matt" but who are these poor oiks and riff raff how would you describe them ? | |||
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" If you're going to post at least get your facts straight first. Sainsbury isn't a UK company anymore as it's merging with Asda who are owned by American retailing giant Walmart. The merger was announced in April of this year. actually if you are get facts straight... Sainsbury’s will retain in control thanks to a £2.975bn cash payment to Walmart. The chairman (David Tyler), CEO (Mike Coupe) and CFO (Kevin O’Byrne) will all hail from Holborn, which will remain the HQ. In return Walmart will take a 42% stake, and have two seats on the board. Asda will continue to be run by CEO Roger Burnley, and there are no plans to close its Leeds HQ. Sainsbury’s plc will remain the name of the combined Sainsbury’s-Asda business, it will remain a UK Company! you owe the man an apology for calling him a liar..... or you can just admit you don't know of what you speak? which? Fabio by your own admission in your post the merger is going to be 42% owned by American company Walmart. So you just admitted it won't be a solely UK company, it will be a jointly owned American/UK company.
Do you understand shares? A quick lesson - unless you own 51% of a company you don't have a controlling interest! To own it outright you need about 75% -(not certain of figure) - then you can forcibly buy the other shares you don't own.
I am not sure what part of "sainsbury's have the controlling interest in the joint business" centy doesn't understand.... sainsbury's have 58% of the business, sainsbury's plc is what the company will be traded under on the UK stock excahnge.... the company will be majority UK owed and still report figures from their HQ in London!!!!
but hey... spin it whichever way you want it centy.... just admit you dropped the ball on this one!
You're the one who dropped the ball here Fabio, even admitting on your own post earlier that American Walmart will own 42% of the merger. I suggest you also look up the meaning of the word 'merger' in the Dictionary. Not the sharpest tool in the box are you.
okay that last insult made me laugh because you have no clue about what you are trying to defend and instead of just holding your hands up and admitting you gave out wrong information, you doubled down and basically made a prize plum of yourself and dug the hole bigger....
all that a merger is is a "joining of businesses" nothing else....
a merger does NOT mean a joining of businesses of equal strength!
sainsbury's will have a 58% share of the merged business... walmart will have a 42% share...
So you're admitting again here it will be a jointly owned uk/American company. Do you actually read what you write before posting because you've really made a complete tit of yourself on this thread. "Jesus, Centaur, you really have picked up the mantle of forum clown since the parting of our beloved Kinky | |||
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"The UK has been a bit vague about people will move between the UK and the EU after Brexit. I think because whatever is put in place will need to be reciprocal. The UK Government talks about something called “the mobility framework”. One of the Brexit paper states: “UK already has existing arrangements with low-risk, non-EU countries that enable smooth access at the border, such as the Registered Traveller Scheme in place with a number of countries like the US and Japan”. That's about as detailed as it gets. Now, let's assume that scheme is replicated for the EU after Brexit. An application to become a "registered traveller" costs £70. It lasts for 12 months. Then you need to pay another £70. And so on. It will add quite a bit to the cost of that budget holiday. I think it will be more flexible than that and - in truth, nothing like as costly. Travelling to the USA you need an ESTA. The ESTA is valid for two years and has a fee of about £10. If you are a regular traveller you can apply for the Global Entry programme which lasts 5 years and enables you to biometrically pass through immigration without contact with an immigration official. I think that there will (eventually) be something like this in place and the good thing is that the background checks required (both ways) will stop our oiks and riff raff travelling abroad and will stop people of a similar disposition arriving at these shores. However complicated and/or expensive it will be - for sure it will be more complicated than it is now and people who have even minor criminal records could find themselves unable to travel. who are these oiks and riff raff that you would like to be stopped from traveling abroad then ? The ones that leave voters don't want to be able to travel. -Matt but who are these poor oiks and riff raff how would you describe them ?" The same fish bites every time. They do protest too much methinks lol | |||
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"The UK has been a bit vague about people will move between the UK and the EU after Brexit. I think because whatever is put in place will need to be reciprocal. The UK Government talks about something called “the mobility framework”. One of the Brexit paper states: “UK already has existing arrangements with low-risk, non-EU countries that enable smooth access at the border, such as the Registered Traveller Scheme in place with a number of countries like the US and Japan”. That's about as detailed as it gets. Now, let's assume that scheme is replicated for the EU after Brexit. An application to become a "registered traveller" costs £70. It lasts for 12 months. Then you need to pay another £70. And so on. It will add quite a bit to the cost of that budget holiday. I think it will be more flexible than that and - in truth, nothing like as costly. Travelling to the USA you need an ESTA. The ESTA is valid for two years and has a fee of about £10. If you are a regular traveller you can apply for the Global Entry programme which lasts 5 years and enables you to biometrically pass through immigration without contact with an immigration official. I think that there will (eventually) be something like this in place and the good thing is that the background checks required (both ways) will stop our oiks and riff raff travelling abroad and will stop people of a similar disposition arriving at these shores. However complicated and/or expensive it will be - for sure it will be more complicated than it is now and people who have even minor criminal records could find themselves unable to travel. who are these oiks and riff raff that you would like to be stopped from traveling abroad then ? The ones that leave voters don't want to be able to travel. -Matt but who are these poor oiks and riff raff how would you describe them ? The same fish bites every time. They do protest too much methinks lol" just intrested to know who you the ppl are who you think are chavs oiks and riff raff after all it’s you who calls ppl by these names | |||
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"The UK has been a bit vague about people will move between the UK and the EU after Brexit. I think because whatever is put in place will need to be reciprocal. The UK Government talks about something called “the mobility framework”. One of the Brexit paper states: “UK already has existing arrangements with low-risk, non-EU countries that enable smooth access at the border, such as the Registered Traveller Scheme in place with a number of countries like the US and Japan”. That's about as detailed as it gets. Now, let's assume that scheme is replicated for the EU after Brexit. An application to become a "registered traveller" costs £70. It lasts for 12 months. Then you need to pay another £70. And so on. It will add quite a bit to the cost of that budget holiday. I think it will be more flexible than that and - in truth, nothing like as costly. Travelling to the USA you need an ESTA. The ESTA is valid for two years and has a fee of about £10. If you are a regular traveller you can apply for the Global Entry programme which lasts 5 years and enables you to biometrically pass through immigration without contact with an immigration official. I think that there will (eventually) be something like this in place and the good thing is that the background checks required (both ways) will stop our oiks and riff raff travelling abroad and will stop people of a similar disposition arriving at these shores. However complicated and/or expensive it will be - for sure it will be more complicated than it is now and people who have even minor criminal records could find themselves unable to travel. who are these oiks and riff raff that you would like to be stopped from traveling abroad then ? The ones that leave voters don't want to be able to travel. -Matt but who are these poor oiks and riff raff how would you describe them ?" I don't know. Ask a leave voter. I voted to remain. -Matt | |||
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"The UK has been a bit vague about people will move between the UK and the EU after Brexit. I think because whatever is put in place will need to be reciprocal. The UK Government talks about something called “the mobility framework”. One of the Brexit paper states: “UK already has existing arrangements with low-risk, non-EU countries that enable smooth access at the border, such as the Registered Traveller Scheme in place with a number of countries like the US and Japan”. That's about as detailed as it gets. Now, let's assume that scheme is replicated for the EU after Brexit. An application to become a "registered traveller" costs £70. It lasts for 12 months. Then you need to pay another £70. And so on. It will add quite a bit to the cost of that budget holiday. I think it will be more flexible than that and - in truth, nothing like as costly. Travelling to the USA you need an ESTA. The ESTA is valid for two years and has a fee of about £10. If you are a regular traveller you can apply for the Global Entry programme which lasts 5 years and enables you to biometrically pass through immigration without contact with an immigration official. I think that there will (eventually) be something like this in place and the good thing is that the background checks required (both ways) will stop our oiks and riff raff travelling abroad and will stop people of a similar disposition arriving at these shores. However complicated and/or expensive it will be - for sure it will be more complicated than it is now and people who have even minor criminal records could find themselves unable to travel. who are these oiks and riff raff that you would like to be stopped from traveling abroad then ? The ones that leave voters don't want to be able to travel. -Matt but who are these poor oiks and riff raff how would you describe them ? I don't know. Ask a leave voter. I voted to remain. -Matt" but it’s too-hot who calls ppl oiks riff raff and chavs and he’s a remain voter how you describe ppl as nothing to do with how you voted | |||
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"The UK has been a bit vague about people will move between the UK and the EU after Brexit. I think because whatever is put in place will need to be reciprocal. The UK Government talks about something called “the mobility framework”. One of the Brexit paper states: “UK already has existing arrangements with low-risk, non-EU countries that enable smooth access at the border, such as the Registered Traveller Scheme in place with a number of countries like the US and Japan”. That's about as detailed as it gets. Now, let's assume that scheme is replicated for the EU after Brexit. An application to become a "registered traveller" costs £70. It lasts for 12 months. Then you need to pay another £70. And so on. It will add quite a bit to the cost of that budget holiday. I think it will be more flexible than that and - in truth, nothing like as costly. Travelling to the USA you need an ESTA. The ESTA is valid for two years and has a fee of about £10. If you are a regular traveller you can apply for the Global Entry programme which lasts 5 years and enables you to biometrically pass through immigration without contact with an immigration official. I think that there will (eventually) be something like this in place and the good thing is that the background checks required (both ways) will stop our oiks and riff raff travelling abroad and will stop people of a similar disposition arriving at these shores. However complicated and/or expensive it will be - for sure it will be more complicated than it is now and people who have even minor criminal records could find themselves unable to travel." And to add to the story today straight off the press... "British travellers will not need visas to visit the European Union even if there is a no-deal Brexit, the European Commission has said. Commissioners made the recommendation to put the UK on the visa-exempt list at a meeting in Strasbourg on Tuesday. Travel advice issued by the Commission says: “The European Commission has proposed to the EU legislator to exempt UK nationals from visa requirements for short-term stays”. British travelers could still be inconvenienced by Brexit because the EU is planning to bring in a system where countries outside the bloc will need to apply for an electronic travel authorisation in advance, even if they are visa-exempt. Etias – the EU Travel Information and Authorisation System – is modelled on the US Esta system and is being introduced on security grounds." So ETIAS is coming... Anyone with a criminal record or dodgy past life had best get their sunshine holidays in pretty quickly. | |||
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"The UK has been a bit vague about people will move between the UK and the EU after Brexit. I think because whatever is put in place will need to be reciprocal. The UK Government talks about something called “the mobility framework”. One of the Brexit paper states: “UK already has existing arrangements with low-risk, non-EU countries that enable smooth access at the border, such as the Registered Traveller Scheme in place with a number of countries like the US and Japan”. That's about as detailed as it gets. Now, let's assume that scheme is replicated for the EU after Brexit. An application to become a "registered traveller" costs £70. It lasts for 12 months. Then you need to pay another £70. And so on. It will add quite a bit to the cost of that budget holiday. I think it will be more flexible than that and - in truth, nothing like as costly. Travelling to the USA you need an ESTA. The ESTA is valid for two years and has a fee of about £10. If you are a regular traveller you can apply for the Global Entry programme which lasts 5 years and enables you to biometrically pass through immigration without contact with an immigration official. I think that there will (eventually) be something like this in place and the good thing is that the background checks required (both ways) will stop our oiks and riff raff travelling abroad and will stop people of a similar disposition arriving at these shores. However complicated and/or expensive it will be - for sure it will be more complicated than it is now and people who have even minor criminal records could find themselves unable to travel. And to add to the story today straight off the press... "British travellers will not need visas to visit the European Union even if there is a no-deal Brexit, the European Commission has said. Commissioners made the recommendation to put the UK on the visa-exempt list at a meeting in Strasbourg on Tuesday. Travel advice issued by the Commission says: “The European Commission has proposed to the EU legislator to exempt UK nationals from visa requirements for short-term stays”. British travelers could still be inconvenienced by Brexit because the EU is planning to bring in a system where countries outside the bloc will need to apply for an electronic travel authorisation in advance, even if they are visa-exempt. Etias – the EU Travel Information and Authorisation System – is modelled on the US Esta system and is being introduced on security grounds." So ETIAS is coming... Anyone with a criminal record or dodgy past life had best get their sunshine holidays in pretty quickly." Ah so we are getting a "special" status then - which is great! However, it should be pointed out that it only applies to a maximum of 90 days-the current freedom of movement rules! It also only applies to holidays, business trips but doesn't apply to working! We should also be aware post brexit the UK will only accept passports - this will impact on EU tourists as they currently can travel on their ID CARDS. I have no idea of how many EU citizens visit the UK each year - but not many Europeans use a passport to travel! | |||
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"The UK has been a bit vague about people will move between the UK and the EU after Brexit. I think because whatever is put in place will need to be reciprocal. The UK Government talks about something called “the mobility framework”. One of the Brexit paper states: “UK already has existing arrangements with low-risk, non-EU countries that enable smooth access at the border, such as the Registered Traveller Scheme in place with a number of countries like the US and Japan”. That's about as detailed as it gets. Now, let's assume that scheme is replicated for the EU after Brexit. An application to become a "registered traveller" costs £70. It lasts for 12 months. Then you need to pay another £70. And so on. It will add quite a bit to the cost of that budget holiday. I think it will be more flexible than that and - in truth, nothing like as costly. Travelling to the USA you need an ESTA. The ESTA is valid for two years and has a fee of about £10. If you are a regular traveller you can apply for the Global Entry programme which lasts 5 years and enables you to biometrically pass through immigration without contact with an immigration official. I think that there will (eventually) be something like this in place and the good thing is that the background checks required (both ways) will stop our oiks and riff raff travelling abroad and will stop people of a similar disposition arriving at these shores. However complicated and/or expensive it will be - for sure it will be more complicated than it is now and people who have even minor criminal records could find themselves unable to travel. who are these oiks and riff raff that you would like to be stopped from traveling abroad then ? The ones that leave voters don't want to be able to travel. -Matt but who are these poor oiks and riff raff how would you describe them ? The same fish bites every time. They do protest too much methinks lol just intrested to know who you the ppl are who you think are chavs oiks and riff raff after all it’s you who calls ppl by these names " It's simple. If you voted leave then you're a chav, oik or riff raff and shouldn't be allowed to travel. If you voted remain then you're suave sophisticated and debonair and should be allowed to travel anywhere you want. What don't you understand?  | |||
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"The UK has been a bit vague about people will move between the UK and the EU after Brexit. I think because whatever is put in place will need to be reciprocal. The UK Government talks about something called “the mobility framework”. One of the Brexit paper states: “UK already has existing arrangements with low-risk, non-EU countries that enable smooth access at the border, such as the Registered Traveller Scheme in place with a number of countries like the US and Japan”. That's about as detailed as it gets. Now, let's assume that scheme is replicated for the EU after Brexit. An application to become a "registered traveller" costs £70. It lasts for 12 months. Then you need to pay another £70. And so on. It will add quite a bit to the cost of that budget holiday. I think it will be more flexible than that and - in truth, nothing like as costly. Travelling to the USA you need an ESTA. The ESTA is valid for two years and has a fee of about £10. If you are a regular traveller you can apply for the Global Entry programme which lasts 5 years and enables you to biometrically pass through immigration without contact with an immigration official. I think that there will (eventually) be something like this in place and the good thing is that the background checks required (both ways) will stop our oiks and riff raff travelling abroad and will stop people of a similar disposition arriving at these shores. However complicated and/or expensive it will be - for sure it will be more complicated than it is now and people who have even minor criminal records could find themselves unable to travel. who are these oiks and riff raff that you would like to be stopped from traveling abroad then ? The ones that leave voters don't want to be able to travel. -Matt but who are these poor oiks and riff raff how would you describe them ? I don't know. Ask a leave voter. I voted to remain. -Matt but it’s too-hot who calls ppl oiks riff raff and chavs and he’s a remain voter how you describe ppl as nothing to do with how you voted " Totally correct. How you describe people has absolutely nothing to do with how you voted, but everything to do with how they voted. I really don't understand how you haven't realised this yet. | |||
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"The UK has been a bit vague about people will move between the UK and the EU after Brexit. I think because whatever is put in place will need to be reciprocal. The UK Government talks about something called “the mobility framework”. One of the Brexit paper states: “UK already has existing arrangements with low-risk, non-EU countries that enable smooth access at the border, such as the Registered Traveller Scheme in place with a number of countries like the US and Japan”. That's about as detailed as it gets. Now, let's assume that scheme is replicated for the EU after Brexit. An application to become a "registered traveller" costs £70. It lasts for 12 months. Then you need to pay another £70. And so on. It will add quite a bit to the cost of that budget holiday. I think it will be more flexible than that and - in truth, nothing like as costly. Travelling to the USA you need an ESTA. The ESTA is valid for two years and has a fee of about £10. If you are a regular traveller you can apply for the Global Entry programme which lasts 5 years and enables you to biometrically pass through immigration without contact with an immigration official. I think that there will (eventually) be something like this in place and the good thing is that the background checks required (both ways) will stop our oiks and riff raff travelling abroad and will stop people of a similar disposition arriving at these shores. However complicated and/or expensive it will be - for sure it will be more complicated than it is now and people who have even minor criminal records could find themselves unable to travel. And to add to the story today straight off the press... "British travellers will not need visas to visit the European Union even if there is a no-deal Brexit, the European Commission has said. Commissioners made the recommendation to put the UK on the visa-exempt list at a meeting in Strasbourg on Tuesday. Travel advice issued by the Commission says: “The European Commission has proposed to the EU legislator to exempt UK nationals from visa requirements for short-term stays”. British travelers could still be inconvenienced by Brexit because the EU is planning to bring in a system where countries outside the bloc will need to apply for an electronic travel authorisation in advance, even if they are visa-exempt. Etias – the EU Travel Information and Authorisation System – is modelled on the US Esta system and is being introduced on security grounds." So ETIAS is coming... Anyone with a criminal record or dodgy past life had best get their sunshine holidays in pretty quickly. Ah so we are getting a "special" status then - which is great! However, it should be pointed out that it only applies to a maximum of 90 days-the current freedom of movement rules! It also only applies to holidays, business trips but doesn't apply to working! We should also be aware post brexit the UK will only accept passports - this will impact on EU tourists as they currently can travel on their ID CARDS. I have no idea of how many EU citizens visit the UK each year - but not many Europeans use a passport to travel! " Well we don't want all these pesky European foreigners coming over here spending all their money in our shops and spending the night putting their dirty, hairy, foreign arses on our British hotel beds sheets. Would you want to use a hotel bed after a hairy German had spent a night sleeping in it? No, the more difficult we make it for Johnny Foreigner the better. I think we should make them have two passports each and a visa. Vive Le BREXIT. #TakeBackControl | |||
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"The UK has been a bit vague about people will move between the UK and the EU after Brexit. I think because whatever is put in place will need to be reciprocal. The UK Government talks about something called “the mobility framework”. One of the Brexit paper states: “UK already has existing arrangements with low-risk, non-EU countries that enable smooth access at the border, such as the Registered Traveller Scheme in place with a number of countries like the US and Japan”. That's about as detailed as it gets. Now, let's assume that scheme is replicated for the EU after Brexit. An application to become a "registered traveller" costs £70. It lasts for 12 months. Then you need to pay another £70. And so on. It will add quite a bit to the cost of that budget holiday. I think it will be more flexible than that and - in truth, nothing like as costly. Travelling to the USA you need an ESTA. The ESTA is valid for two years and has a fee of about £10. If you are a regular traveller you can apply for the Global Entry programme which lasts 5 years and enables you to biometrically pass through immigration without contact with an immigration official. I think that there will (eventually) be something like this in place and the good thing is that the background checks required (both ways) will stop our oiks and riff raff travelling abroad and will stop people of a similar disposition arriving at these shores. However complicated and/or expensive it will be - for sure it will be more complicated than it is now and people who have even minor criminal records could find themselves unable to travel. And to add to the story today straight off the press... "British travellers will not need visas to visit the European Union even if there is a no-deal Brexit, the European Commission has said. Commissioners made the recommendation to put the UK on the visa-exempt list at a meeting in Strasbourg on Tuesday. Travel advice issued by the Commission says: “The European Commission has proposed to the EU legislator to exempt UK nationals from visa requirements for short-term stays”. British travelers could still be inconvenienced by Brexit because the EU is planning to bring in a system where countries outside the bloc will need to apply for an electronic travel authorisation in advance, even if they are visa-exempt. Etias – the EU Travel Information and Authorisation System – is modelled on the US Esta system and is being introduced on security grounds." So ETIAS is coming... Anyone with a criminal record or dodgy past life had best get their sunshine holidays in pretty quickly. Ah so we are getting a "special" status then - which is great! However, it should be pointed out that it only applies to a maximum of 90 days-the current freedom of movement rules! It also only applies to holidays, business trips but doesn't apply to working! We should also be aware post brexit the UK will only accept passports - this will impact on EU tourists as they currently can travel on their ID CARDS. I have no idea of how many EU citizens visit the UK each year - but not many Europeans use a passport to travel! Well we don't want all these pesky European foreigners coming over here spending all their money in our shops and spending the night putting their dirty, hairy, foreign arses on our British hotel beds sheets. Would you want to use a hotel bed after a hairy German had spent a night sleeping in it? No, the more difficult we make it for Johnny Foreigner the better. I think we should make them have two passports each and a visa. Vive Le BREXIT. #TakeBackControl" How about we say if they have a burgundy passport then they can only come in on a Monday, Wednesday, Friday. If they paint it blue then they can come in on the other days -Matt | |||
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"The UK has been a bit vague about people will move between the UK and the EU after Brexit. I think because whatever is put in place will need to be reciprocal. The UK Government talks about something called “the mobility framework”. One of the Brexit paper states: “UK already has existing arrangements with low-risk, non-EU countries that enable smooth access at the border, such as the Registered Traveller Scheme in place with a number of countries like the US and Japan”. That's about as detailed as it gets. Now, let's assume that scheme is replicated for the EU after Brexit. An application to become a "registered traveller" costs £70. It lasts for 12 months. Then you need to pay another £70. And so on. It will add quite a bit to the cost of that budget holiday. I think it will be more flexible than that and - in truth, nothing like as costly. Travelling to the USA you need an ESTA. The ESTA is valid for two years and has a fee of about £10. If you are a regular traveller you can apply for the Global Entry programme which lasts 5 years and enables you to biometrically pass through immigration without contact with an immigration official. I think that there will (eventually) be something like this in place and the good thing is that the background checks required (both ways) will stop our oiks and riff raff travelling abroad and will stop people of a similar disposition arriving at these shores. However complicated and/or expensive it will be - for sure it will be more complicated than it is now and people who have even minor criminal records could find themselves unable to travel. And to add to the story today straight off the press... "British travellers will not need visas to visit the European Union even if there is a no-deal Brexit, the European Commission has said. Commissioners made the recommendation to put the UK on the visa-exempt list at a meeting in Strasbourg on Tuesday. Travel advice issued by the Commission says: “The European Commission has proposed to the EU legislator to exempt UK nationals from visa requirements for short-term stays”. British travelers could still be inconvenienced by Brexit because the EU is planning to bring in a system where countries outside the bloc will need to apply for an electronic travel authorisation in advance, even if they are visa-exempt. Etias – the EU Travel Information and Authorisation System – is modelled on the US Esta system and is being introduced on security grounds." So ETIAS is coming... Anyone with a criminal record or dodgy past life had best get their sunshine holidays in pretty quickly. Ah so we are getting a "special" status then - which is great! However, it should be pointed out that it only applies to a maximum of 90 days-the current freedom of movement rules! It also only applies to holidays, business trips but doesn't apply to working! We should also be aware post brexit the UK will only accept passports - this will impact on EU tourists as they currently can travel on their ID CARDS. I have no idea of how many EU citizens visit the UK each year - but not many Europeans use a passport to travel! Well we don't want all these pesky European foreigners coming over here spending all their money in our shops and spending the night putting their dirty, hairy, foreign arses on our British hotel beds sheets. Would you want to use a hotel bed after a hairy German had spent a night sleeping in it? No, the more difficult we make it for Johnny Foreigner the better. I think we should make them have two passports each and a visa. Vive Le BREXIT. #TakeBackControl How about we say if they have a burgundy passport then they can only come in on a Monday, Wednesday, Friday. If they paint it blue then they can come in on the other days -Matt" How about 8 passports each. One for each day of the week and another one for bank holidays? Mondays - Red Tuesdays - Orange Wednesdays - Yellow Thursdays - Green Fridays - Blue Saturdays - Indigo Sundays - Violet Bank Holidays - Magenta That at least will stop most of them staying overnight if they even come at all. Vive Le BREXIT! #TakeBackControl | |||
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"The UK has been a bit vague about people will move between the UK and the EU after Brexit. I think because whatever is put in place will need to be reciprocal. The UK Government talks about something called “the mobility framework”. One of the Brexit paper states: “UK already has existing arrangements with low-risk, non-EU countries that enable smooth access at the border, such as the Registered Traveller Scheme in place with a number of countries like the US and Japan”. That's about as detailed as it gets. Now, let's assume that scheme is replicated for the EU after Brexit. An application to become a "registered traveller" costs £70. It lasts for 12 months. Then you need to pay another £70. And so on. It will add quite a bit to the cost of that budget holiday. I think it will be more flexible than that and - in truth, nothing like as costly. Travelling to the USA you need an ESTA. The ESTA is valid for two years and has a fee of about £10. If you are a regular traveller you can apply for the Global Entry programme which lasts 5 years and enables you to biometrically pass through immigration without contact with an immigration official. I think that there will (eventually) be something like this in place and the good thing is that the background checks required (both ways) will stop our oiks and riff raff travelling abroad and will stop people of a similar disposition arriving at these shores. However complicated and/or expensive it will be - for sure it will be more complicated than it is now and people who have even minor criminal records could find themselves unable to travel. who are these oiks and riff raff that you would like to be stopped from traveling abroad then ? The ones that leave voters don't want to be able to travel. -Matt but who are these poor oiks and riff raff how would you describe them ? The same fish bites every time. They do protest too much methinks lol just intrested to know who you the ppl are who you think are chavs oiks and riff raff after all it’s you who calls ppl by these names It's simple. If you voted leave then you're a chav, oik or riff raff and shouldn't be allowed to travel. If you voted remain then you're suave sophisticated and debonair and should be allowed to travel anywhere you want. What don't you understand? "I'd say the attitude of quite a few remainers on here rather than being suave, sophisticated and debonair, is instead Haughty, pompous, patronising, pretentious, snooty and snobbish. | |||
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"The UK has been a bit vague about people will move between the UK and the EU after Brexit. I think because whatever is put in place will need to be reciprocal. The UK Government talks about something called “the mobility framework”. One of the Brexit paper states: “UK already has existing arrangements with low-risk, non-EU countries that enable smooth access at the border, such as the Registered Traveller Scheme in place with a number of countries like the US and Japan”. That's about as detailed as it gets. Now, let's assume that scheme is replicated for the EU after Brexit. An application to become a "registered traveller" costs £70. It lasts for 12 months. Then you need to pay another £70. And so on. It will add quite a bit to the cost of that budget holiday. I think it will be more flexible than that and - in truth, nothing like as costly. Travelling to the USA you need an ESTA. The ESTA is valid for two years and has a fee of about £10. If you are a regular traveller you can apply for the Global Entry programme which lasts 5 years and enables you to biometrically pass through immigration without contact with an immigration official. I think that there will (eventually) be something like this in place and the good thing is that the background checks required (both ways) will stop our oiks and riff raff travelling abroad and will stop people of a similar disposition arriving at these shores. However complicated and/or expensive it will be - for sure it will be more complicated than it is now and people who have even minor criminal records could find themselves unable to travel. who are these oiks and riff raff that you would like to be stopped from traveling abroad then ? The ones that leave voters don't want to be able to travel. -Matt but who are these poor oiks and riff raff how would you describe them ? The same fish bites every time. They do protest too much methinks lol just intrested to know who you the ppl are who you think are chavs oiks and riff raff after all it’s you who calls ppl by these names It's simple. If you voted leave then you're a chav, oik or riff raff and shouldn't be allowed to travel. If you voted remain then you're suave sophisticated and debonair and should be allowed to travel anywhere you want. What don't you understand?
I'd say the attitude of quite a few remainers on here rather than being suave, sophisticated and debonair, is instead Haughty, pompous, patronising, pretentious, snooty and snobbish. "Oh are the peasants revolting? Give them cake .... | |||
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"Oh are the peasants revolting? Give them cake ...." My dear boy, the peasants have always been revolting, one just has to find a way to keep them in their place... A few minor wars and a healthy dose of austerity inspired xenophobia should do the trick, the NHS cuts will go a long way to keeping their numbers under control and will have them all blame Johnny Foreigner. | |||
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"it's likely raab will be an irrelevance by this time tommorrow " Good call | |||
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"Gove, Leadsome or Mcveigh next.. " We live in hope .... | |||
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