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By *nleashedCraken OP Man over a year ago

Widnes

Vive le BREXIT

Currently Britain pays about £350 million gross, £180 million nett, into the EU budget each week.

Let's not pay the EU £180 ($240) million a week and instead lose $240 billions a day trading volume instead. That's £1,000 trading volume lost each day for each £1 saved!! And this is just one trading company.

Vive le driot

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-06/a-240-billion-a-month-market-leaves-london-because-of-brexit

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I take it you voted to stay in?

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By *heislanderMan over a year ago

cheshunt

"Vive le BREXIT

Currently Britain pays about £350 million gross, £180 million nett, into the EU budget each week.

Vive le driot

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-06/a-240-billion-a-month-market-leaves-london-because-of-brexit

How much did Britain earn from this $240 billion a day, how much did the CME group pay in tax last year ?

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By *wisted999Man over a year ago

North Bucks

The Programme I watched the other night described it well “An act of economic self harm”

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Vive le BREXIT

Currently Britain pays about £350 million gross, £180 million nett, into the EU budget each week.

Vive le driot

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-06/a-240-billion-a-month-market-leaves-london-because-of-brexit

In fairness we knew this, give or take a few quid, before the referendum. And people still voted against their own interests.

Shows the power of the elites of this country and how people’s fears of “them coming over here and doing xyz”, can convince people to do anything.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Vive le BREXIT

Currently Britain pays about £350 million gross, £180 million nett, into the EU budget each week.

Vive le driot

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-06/a-240-billion-a-month-market-leaves-london-because-of-brexit

How much did Britain earn from this $240 billion a day, how much did the CME group pay in tax last year ? "

The UK has a trade deficit with the EU as a full member.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Vive le BREXIT

Currently Britain pays about £350 million gross, £180 million nett, into the EU budget each week.

Vive le driot

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-06/a-240-billion-a-month-market-leaves-london-because-of-brexit

In fairness we knew this, give or take a few quid, before the referendum. And people still voted against their own interests.

Shows the power of the elites of this country and how people’s fears of “them coming over here and doing xyz”, can convince people to do anything. "

Maybe some people see our sovereignty and independence as being more important than a few extra quid in their pocket.

I know I do.

Our sovereignty is not for sale at any price.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Vive le BREXIT

Currently Britain pays about £350 million gross, £180 million nett, into the EU budget each week.

Vive le driot

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-06/a-240-billion-a-month-market-leaves-london-because-of-brexit

In fairness we knew this, give or take a few quid, before the referendum. And people still voted against their own interests.

Shows the power of the elites of this country and how people’s fears of “them coming over here and doing xyz”, can convince people to do anything.

Maybe some people see our sovereignty and independence as being more important than a few extra quid in their pocket.

I know I do.

Our sovereignty is not for sale at any price. "

Wait a sec. are you giving up the economic argument now, What changed your mind?

You’ve been vehemently arguing that we will be better off after Brexit.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple over a year ago

London

"Vive le BREXIT

Currently Britain pays about £350 million gross, £180 million nett, into the EU budget each week.

Vive le driot

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-06/a-240-billion-a-month-market-leaves-london-because-of-brexit

In fairness we knew this, give or take a few quid, before the referendum. And people still voted against their own interests.

Shows the power of the elites of this country and how people’s fears of “them coming over here and doing xyz”, can convince people to do anything.

Maybe some people see our sovereignty and independence as being more important than a few extra quid in their pocket.

I know I do.

Our sovereignty is not for sale at any price. "

The country with the greatest independence and sovereignty in the world is North Korea. Not a country I'd aspire to emulate.

I always find the argument re sovereignty quite curious. As if it's like pregnancy. You either have sovereignty or you don't. In reality, of course, every country limits it's sovereignty by entering into agreements and treaties with other countries.

On a separate point, the very fact that Britain is planning to leave the EU by Act of Parliament paradoxically shows membership of the EU did not impair UK Parliamentary sovereignty. If sovereignty had been lost it wouldn't have been possible to do that.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Brexit was never about economics it was always about immigration.Control of the borders.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Brexit was never about economics it was always about immigration.Control of the borders."

Name me one port, airport or tunnel where your passport is not checked to enter the UK legally?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Brexit was never about economics it was always about immigration.Control of the borders.

Name me one port, airport or tunnel where your passport is not checked to enter the UK legally? "

Any of the entry points from Ireland.

So if we get to the bare bones of it. We should ask why it was about immigration and borders. Who positioned and manipulated so many voters into being scared of people coming into the uk and why.

Anyone who actually reads up on it will find that immigrantion is a non-issue, and blown up out of all proportion.

Who really stands to gain from Brexit, who pulls the strings behind UKIP, Daily Mail, Express etc.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Vive le BREXIT

Currently Britain pays about £350 million gross, £180 million nett, into the EU budget each week.

Vive le driot

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-06/a-240-billion-a-month-market-leaves-london-because-of-brexit

In fairness we knew this, give or take a few quid, before the referendum. And people still voted against their own interests.

Shows the power of the elites of this country and how people’s fears of “them coming over here and doing xyz”, can convince people to do anything.

Maybe some people see our sovereignty and independence as being more important than a few extra quid in their pocket.

I know I do.

Our sovereignty is not for sale at any price.

Wait a sec. are you giving up the economic argument now, What changed your mind?

You’ve been vehemently arguing that we will be better off after Brexit. "

No I'm not saying that at all. I do think that we will be better off out but even if we weren't I'd still rather retain our sovereignty than sell it down the river for a few extra quid.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Brexit was never about economics it was always about immigration.Control of the borders.

Name me one port, airport or tunnel where your passport is not checked to enter the UK legally?

Any of the entry points from Ireland.

So if we get to the bare bones of it. We should ask why it was about immigration and borders. Who positioned and manipulated so many voters into being scared of people coming into the uk and why.

Anyone who actually reads up on it will find that immigrantion is a non-issue, and blown up out of all proportion.

Who really stands to gain from Brexit, who pulls the strings behind UKIP, Daily Mail, Express etc."

Ah good point - forgot about NI - always comes back to the border. Maybe we should have a referendum in NI about reunification?

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

Maybe some people see our sovereignty and independence as being more important than a few extra quid in their pocket.

I know I do.

Our sovereignty is not for sale at any price. "

I get that. I lived through it in Scotland.

It’s called nationalism. Policies wrapped in your flag that capture your heart and blind your head to their impact.

It’s a powerful play to emotions and, unfortunately, prejudices too.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

"Vive le BREXIT

Currently Britain pays about £350 million gross, £180 million nett, into the EU budget each week.

Vive le driot

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-06/a-240-billion-a-month-market-leaves-london-because-of-brexit

In fairness we knew this, give or take a few quid, before the referendum. And people still voted against their own interests.

Shows the power of the elites of this country and how people’s fears of “them coming over here and doing xyz”, can convince people to do anything.

Maybe some people see our sovereignty and independence as being more important than a few extra quid in their pocket.

I know I do.

Our sovereignty is not for sale at any price.

The country with the greatest independence and sovereignty in the world is North Korea. Not a country I'd aspire to emulate.

As was very much the case with Scotland. Its power to hold a referendum - sovereignty - had been lost and it needed the permission of the unionist centre to conduct one. The power was granted and withdrawn as soon as the referendum took place.

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By *oi_LucyCouple over a year ago

Barbados

"Brexit was never about economics it was always about immigration.Control of the borders.

Name me one port, airport or tunnel where your passport is not checked to enter the UK legally?

Any of the entry points from Ireland.

So if we get to the bare bones of it. We should ask why it was about immigration and borders. Who positioned and manipulated so many voters into being scared of people coming into the uk and why.

Anyone who actually reads up on it will find that immigrantion is a non-issue, and blown up out of all proportion.

Who really stands to gain from Brexit, who pulls the strings behind UKIP, Daily Mail, Express etc.

Ah good point - forgot about NI - always comes back to the border. Maybe we should have a referendum in NI about reunification? "

Don't worry, that border doesn't count as there aren't that many brown people or muslims in Ireland.

-Matt

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Vive le BREXIT

Currently Britain pays about £350 million gross, £180 million nett, into the EU budget each week.

Vive le driot

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-06/a-240-billion-a-month-market-leaves-london-because-of-brexit

In fairness we knew this, give or take a few quid, before the referendum. And people still voted against their own interests.

Shows the power of the elites of this country and how people’s fears of “them coming over here and doing xyz”, can convince people to do anything.

Maybe some people see our sovereignty and independence as being more important than a few extra quid in their pocket.

I know I do.

Our sovereignty is not for sale at any price.

Wait a sec. are you giving up the economic argument now, What changed your mind?

You’ve been vehemently arguing that we will be better off after Brexit.

No I'm not saying that at all. I do think that we will be better off out but even if we weren't I'd still rather retain our sovereignty than sell it down the river for a few extra quid. "

If have no issue with that if it was just you being poorer for your beliefs.

But the rest of us now have to suffer because of your williningness to surrender our prosperity over this abstract concept that being part of Europe somehow impacts our sovereignty.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Vive le BREXIT

Currently Britain pays about £350 million gross, £180 million nett, into the EU budget each week.

Vive le driot

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-06/a-240-billion-a-month-market-leaves-london-because-of-brexit

In fairness we knew this, give or take a few quid, before the referendum. And people still voted against their own interests.

Shows the power of the elites of this country and how people’s fears of “them coming over here and doing xyz”, can convince people to do anything.

Maybe some people see our sovereignty and independence as being more important than a few extra quid in their pocket.

I know I do.

Our sovereignty is not for sale at any price.

Wait a sec. are you giving up the economic argument now, What changed your mind?

You’ve been vehemently arguing that we will be better off after Brexit.

No I'm not saying that at all. I do think that we will be better off out but even if we weren't I'd still rather retain our sovereignty than sell it down the river for a few extra quid.

If have no issue with that if it was just you being poorer for your beliefs.

But the rest of us now have to suffer because of your williningness to surrender our prosperity over this abstract concept that being part of Europe somehow impacts our sovereignty.

It's called Democracy, and more people agree with me than you.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple over a year ago

London

"Vive le BREXIT

Currently Britain pays about £350 million gross, £180 million nett, into the EU budget each week.

Vive le driot

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-06/a-240-billion-a-month-market-leaves-london-because-of-brexit

In fairness we knew this, give or take a few quid, before the referendum. And people still voted against their own interests.

Shows the power of the elites of this country and how people’s fears of “them coming over here and doing xyz”, can convince people to do anything.

Maybe some people see our sovereignty and independence as being more important than a few extra quid in their pocket.

I know I do.

Our sovereignty is not for sale at any price.

Wait a sec. are you giving up the economic argument now, What changed your mind?

You’ve been vehemently arguing that we will be better off after Brexit.

No I'm not saying that at all. I do think that we will be better off out but even if we weren't I'd still rather retain our sovereignty than sell it down the river for a few extra quid.

If have no issue with that if it was just you being poorer for your beliefs.

But the rest of us now have to suffer because of your williningness to surrender our prosperity over this abstract concept that being part of Europe somehow impacts our sovereignty.

As I say the sovereignty argument is silly. The UK is a member of Nato, the commonwealth, the WTO, the council of Europe, the UN etc etc. Membership of all those organisations means the UK has to abide by their rules and to that. extent sovereignty is impaired in that the UK government can't do what the bloody hell it wants.

However, the UK entered all those organisations freely and is free to leave at any time and to that extent you can say fundamental sovereignty has not been impaired.

And we entered the EU freely and are free to leave at any time. As current events are demonstrating.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple over a year ago

London

"Vive le BREXIT

Currently Britain pays about £350 million gross, £180 million nett, into the EU budget each week.

Vive le driot

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-06/a-240-billion-a-month-market-leaves-london-because-of-brexit

In fairness we knew this, give or take a few quid, before the referendum. And people still voted against their own interests.

Shows the power of the elites of this country and how people’s fears of “them coming over here and doing xyz”, can convince people to do anything.

Maybe some people see our sovereignty and independence as being more important than a few extra quid in their pocket.

I know I do.

Our sovereignty is not for sale at any price.

Wait a sec. are you giving up the economic argument now, What changed your mind?

You’ve been vehemently arguing that we will be better off after Brexit.

No I'm not saying that at all. I do think that we will be better off out but even if we weren't I'd still rather retain our sovereignty than sell it down the river for a few extra quid.

If have no issue with that if it was just you being poorer for your beliefs.

But the rest of us now have to suffer because of your williningness to surrender our prosperity over this abstract concept that being part of Europe somehow impacts our sovereignty.

It's called Democracy, and more people agree with me than you. "

They did in 2016. Current polls suggest they don't anymore. Can we check to see what the position is now?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Vive le BREXIT

Currently Britain pays about £350 million gross, £180 million nett, into the EU budget each week.

Vive le driot

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-06/a-240-billion-a-month-market-leaves-london-because-of-brexit

In fairness we knew this, give or take a few quid, before the referendum. And people still voted against their own interests.

Shows the power of the elites of this country and how people’s fears of “them coming over here and doing xyz”, can convince people to do anything.

Maybe some people see our sovereignty and independence as being more important than a few extra quid in their pocket.

I know I do.

Our sovereignty is not for sale at any price.

Wait a sec. are you giving up the economic argument now, What changed your mind?

You’ve been vehemently arguing that we will be better off after Brexit.

No I'm not saying that at all. I do think that we will be better off out but even if we weren't I'd still rather retain our sovereignty than sell it down the river for a few extra quid.

If have no issue with that if it was just you being poorer for your beliefs.

But the rest of us now have to suffer because of your williningness to surrender our prosperity over this abstract concept that being part of Europe somehow impacts our sovereignty.

It's called Democracy, and more people agree with me than you. "

Are we really back to this argument. This is what people want, It’s happening let’s get on with it no matter how badly it fucks up the country?

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By *tace 309TV/TS over a year ago

durham

"Vive le BREXIT

Currently Britain pays about £350 million gross, £180 million nett, into the EU budget each week.

Vive le driot

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-06/a-240-billion-a-month-market-leaves-london-because-of-brexit

In fairness we knew this, give or take a few quid, before the referendum. And people still voted against their own interests.

Shows the power of the elites of this country and how people’s fears of “them coming over here and doing xyz”, can convince people to do anything.

Maybe some people see our sovereignty and independence as being more important than a few extra quid in their pocket.

I know I do.

Our sovereignty is not for sale at any price.

Wait a sec. are you giving up the economic argument now, What changed your mind?

You’ve been vehemently arguing that we will be better off after Brexit.

No I'm not saying that at all. I do think that we will be better off out but even if we weren't I'd still rather retain our sovereignty than sell it down the river for a few extra quid.

If have no issue with that if it was just you being poorer for your beliefs.

But the rest of us now have to suffer because of your williningness to surrender our prosperity over this abstract concept that being part of Europe somehow impacts our sovereignty.

It's called Democracy, and more people agree with me than you.

They did in 2016. Current polls suggest they don't anymore. Can we check to see what the position is now? "
thats the,trouble people look at polls .time and time again they get it wrong .I think you'll find the ones,who voted leave still want out . more do than ever thanks to the moaners

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By *oi_LucyCouple over a year ago

Barbados

"Vive le BREXIT

Currently Britain pays about £350 million gross, £180 million nett, into the EU budget each week.

Vive le driot

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-06/a-240-billion-a-month-market-leaves-london-because-of-brexit

In fairness we knew this, give or take a few quid, before the referendum. And people still voted against their own interests.

Shows the power of the elites of this country and how people’s fears of “them coming over here and doing xyz”, can convince people to do anything.

Maybe some people see our sovereignty and independence as being more important than a few extra quid in their pocket.

I know I do.

Our sovereignty is not for sale at any price.

Wait a sec. are you giving up the economic argument now, What changed your mind?

You’ve been vehemently arguing that we will be better off after Brexit.

No I'm not saying that at all. I do think that we will be better off out but even if we weren't I'd still rather retain our sovereignty than sell it down the river for a few extra quid.

If have no issue with that if it was just you being poorer for your beliefs.

But the rest of us now have to suffer because of your williningness to surrender our prosperity over this abstract concept that being part of Europe somehow impacts our sovereignty.

It's called Democracy, and more people agree with me than you. "

I used to believe in the tooth fairy.

I don't any more.

What is your point? Why are you so against democracy?

-Matt

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple over a year ago

London

"Vive le BREXIT

Currently Britain pays about £350 million gross, £180 million nett, into the EU budget each week.

Vive le driot

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-06/a-240-billion-a-month-market-leaves-london-because-of-brexit

In fairness we knew this, give or take a few quid, before the referendum. And people still voted against their own interests.

Shows the power of the elites of this country and how people’s fears of “them coming over here and doing xyz”, can convince people to do anything.

Maybe some people see our sovereignty and independence as being more important than a few extra quid in their pocket.

I know I do.

Our sovereignty is not for sale at any price.

Wait a sec. are you giving up the economic argument now, What changed your mind?

You’ve been vehemently arguing that we will be better off after Brexit.

No I'm not saying that at all. I do think that we will be better off out but even if we weren't I'd still rather retain our sovereignty than sell it down the river for a few extra quid.

If have no issue with that if it was just you being poorer for your beliefs.

But the rest of us now have to suffer because of your williningness to surrender our prosperity over this abstract concept that being part of Europe somehow impacts our sovereignty.

It's called Democracy, and more people agree with me than you.

They did in 2016. Current polls suggest they don't anymore. Can we check to see what the position is now? thats the,trouble people look at polls .time and time again they get it wrong .I think you'll find the ones,who voted leave still want out . more do than ever thanks to the moaners "

Well as I say, should we have another referendum to check if that's what people still want. That's democracy isn't it?

The serious point is that referendums are a fucking stupid way to make vital decisions. There's no valid reason if you say referendums are vital to making democratic decisions that you can't keep having them when the public mood appears to change.

. Of course, the reality is that it is nothing to do with democracy at all. People like me want another referendum because we think we will win. People like you don't want one for precisely the same reason.

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By *imiUKMan over a year ago

Hereford

Ah yes, the old "all Brexiteers are xenophobic" argument.

I'm anti EU, for democratic reasons. I voted remain because I thought it was the lesser of two evils, but since the referendum, the attitude of the elites to democracy has hardened my position and in a second referendum, I would vote leave.

Tony Benn explains it better than me: https://youtu.be/f0wFii8klNg

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By *imiUKMan over a year ago

Hereford

Well as I say, should we have another referendum to check if that's what people still want. That's democracy isn't it?

No.

Running a massive fear campaign in the press (see: "we'll have no food after Brexit!" and "All the Medicines will run out!" Headlines), and then forcing people to vote until they vote for the "correct" outcome is not at all democracy.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple over a year ago

London

Well as I say, should we have another referendum to check if that's what people still want. That's democracy isn't it?

No.

I'm curious. We have one referendum which shows the public wants A. There is a degree of evidence that they now want B

Why is a referendum that got the result A democratic, yet a referendum that might get the result B is not?

That's the problem with people who see referendums as the height of democracy. There's no real reason why they can't keep being repeated when there is evidence of a change of public mood.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Vive le BREXIT

Currently Britain pays about £350 million gross, £180 million nett, into the EU budget each week.

Vive le driot

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-06/a-240-billion-a-month-market-leaves-london-because-of-brexit

In fairness we knew this, give or take a few quid, before the referendum. And people still voted against their own interests.

Shows the power of the elites of this country and how people’s fears of “them coming over here and doing xyz”, can convince people to do anything.

Maybe some people see our sovereignty and independence as being more important than a few extra quid in their pocket.

I know I do.

Our sovereignty is not for sale at any price.

Wait a sec. are you giving up the economic argument now, What changed your mind?

You’ve been vehemently arguing that we will be better off after Brexit.

No I'm not saying that at all. I do think that we will be better off out but even if we weren't I'd still rather retain our sovereignty than sell it down the river for a few extra quid.

If have no issue with that if it was just you being poorer for your beliefs.

But the rest of us now have to suffer because of your williningness to surrender our prosperity over this abstract concept that being part of Europe somehow impacts our sovereignty.

It's called Democracy, and more people agree with me than you.

They did in 2016. Current polls suggest they don't anymore. Can we check to see what the position is now? "

...because polls are really reliable aren't they (NOT). I didn't like the Liverpool result in the champions league the other night can the game be replayed because I didn't like the result? Of course not and such arguments are ridiculous!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Vive le BREXIT

Currently Britain pays about £350 million gross, £180 million nett, into the EU budget each week.

Vive le driot

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-06/a-240-billion-a-month-market-leaves-london-because-of-brexit

In fairness we knew this, give or take a few quid, before the referendum. And people still voted against their own interests.

Shows the power of the elites of this country and how people’s fears of “them coming over here and doing xyz”, can convince people to do anything.

Maybe some people see our sovereignty and independence as being more important than a few extra quid in their pocket.

I know I do.

Our sovereignty is not for sale at any price.

Wait a sec. are you giving up the economic argument now, What changed your mind?

You’ve been vehemently arguing that we will be better off after Brexit.

No I'm not saying that at all. I do think that we will be better off out but even if we weren't I'd still rather retain our sovereignty than sell it down the river for a few extra quid.

If have no issue with that if it was just you being poorer for your beliefs.

But the rest of us now have to suffer because of your williningness to surrender our prosperity over this abstract concept that being part of Europe somehow impacts our sovereignty.

It's called Democracy, and more people agree with me than you.

Refer you to the channel 4 documentary earlier in the week :

Nigel Farage scored worse than Corbyn or Bojo as a leader capable of doing a better job than May!

Sunderland now are 50/50 on the vote

54% are now remain.

Facts facts facts and alternative facts

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ah yes, the old "all Brexiteers are xenophobic" argument.

Tony Benn explains it better than me: https://youtu.be/f0wFii8klNg"

I certainly don’t believe that all brexiteers are xenophobic.

I’m not a fan of the EU and believe it needs reform. But giving up all that we get from being in the EU doesn’t seem worth the “benefits”.

After all the back and forth on here, and after several threads asking for some genuine benefits to Brexit, there hasn’t been anything concrete. It’s just a load of waffle about abstract concepts to do with sovereignty, controlling our borders or just completely outlandish claims that we will all suddenly be rich.

I stand firmly behind the opinion that refarendums don’t work. People are too easily fooled into voting against their own interests. And many of the issues are too complex and time consuming for the average punter to fully consume on the run up to the vote. Personally I hadn’t thought about the Irish border, as an example.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Vive le BREXIT

Currently Britain pays about £350 million gross, £180 million nett, into the EU budget each week.

Vive le driot

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-06/a-240-billion-a-month-market-leaves-london-because-of-brexit

In fairness we knew this, give or take a few quid, before the referendum. And people still voted against their own interests.

Shows the power of the elites of this country and how people’s fears of “them coming over here and doing xyz”, can convince people to do anything.

Maybe some people see our sovereignty and independence as being more important than a few extra quid in their pocket.

I know I do.

Our sovereignty is not for sale at any price.

Wait a sec. are you giving up the economic argument now, What changed your mind?

You’ve been vehemently arguing that we will be better off after Brexit.

No I'm not saying that at all. I do think that we will be better off out but even if we weren't I'd still rather retain our sovereignty than sell it down the river for a few extra quid.

If have no issue with that if it was just you being poorer for your beliefs.

But the rest of us now have to suffer because of your williningness to surrender our prosperity over this abstract concept that being part of Europe somehow impacts our sovereignty.

It's called Democracy, and more people agree with me than you.

Are we really back to this argument. This is what people want, It’s happening let’s get on with it no matter how badly it fucks up the country?

Sorry but the whole remain campaign was based around economics in 2016 and people rejected it. The leave campaign focused on immigration and sovereignty in 2016 and people voted for it. So as I said more people agree with me than you, it's called Democracy.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Vive le BREXIT

Currently Britain pays about £350 million gross, £180 million nett, into the EU budget each week.

Vive le driot

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-06/a-240-billion-a-month-market-leaves-london-because-of-brexit

In fairness we knew this, give or take a few quid, before the referendum. And people still voted against their own interests.

Shows the power of the elites of this country and how people’s fears of “them coming over here and doing xyz”, can convince people to do anything.

Maybe some people see our sovereignty and independence as being more important than a few extra quid in their pocket.

I know I do.

Our sovereignty is not for sale at any price.

Wait a sec. are you giving up the economic argument now, What changed your mind?

You’ve been vehemently arguing that we will be better off after Brexit.

No I'm not saying that at all. I do think that we will be better off out but even if we weren't I'd still rather retain our sovereignty than sell it down the river for a few extra quid.

If have no issue with that if it was just you being poorer for your beliefs.

But the rest of us now have to suffer because of your williningness to surrender our prosperity over this abstract concept that being part of Europe somehow impacts our sovereignty.

It's called Democracy, and more people agree with me than you.

They did in 2016. Current polls suggest they don't anymore. Can we check to see what the position is now?

But this is how democracy in this country works. We don’t set the rules on day one and have to live by them for the rest of eternity. We’re constantly updating, evolving and changing the laws. To follow your argument to it’s natural conclusions. There should have been no refarendum in the first place.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Vive le BREXIT

Currently Britain pays about £350 million gross, £180 million nett, into the EU budget each week.

Vive le driot

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-06/a-240-billion-a-month-market-leaves-london-because-of-brexit

In fairness we knew this, give or take a few quid, before the referendum. And people still voted against their own interests.

Shows the power of the elites of this country and how people’s fears of “them coming over here and doing xyz”, can convince people to do anything.

Maybe some people see our sovereignty and independence as being more important than a few extra quid in their pocket.

I know I do.

Our sovereignty is not for sale at any price.

Wait a sec. are you giving up the economic argument now, What changed your mind?

You’ve been vehemently arguing that we will be better off after Brexit.

No I'm not saying that at all. I do think that we will be better off out but even if we weren't I'd still rather retain our sovereignty than sell it down the river for a few extra quid.

If have no issue with that if it was just you being poorer for your beliefs.

But the rest of us now have to suffer because of your williningness to surrender our prosperity over this abstract concept that being part of Europe somehow impacts our sovereignty.

It's called Democracy, and more people agree with me than you.

Are we really back to this argument. This is what people want, It’s happening let’s get on with it no matter how badly it fucks up the country?

Correct. Both campaigns were bullshit and neither were in touch with the reality of the situation.

Refarendums don’t work.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Vive le BREXIT

Currently Britain pays about £350 million gross, £180 million nett, into the EU budget each week.

Vive le driot

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-06/a-240-billion-a-month-market-leaves-london-because-of-brexit

In fairness we knew this, give or take a few quid, before the referendum. And people still voted against their own interests.

Shows the power of the elites of this country and how people’s fears of “them coming over here and doing xyz”, can convince people to do anything.

Maybe some people see our sovereignty and independence as being more important than a few extra quid in their pocket.

I know I do.

Our sovereignty is not for sale at any price.

Wait a sec. are you giving up the economic argument now, What changed your mind?

You’ve been vehemently arguing that we will be better off after Brexit.

No I'm not saying that at all. I do think that we will be better off out but even if we weren't I'd still rather retain our sovereignty than sell it down the river for a few extra quid.

If have no issue with that if it was just you being poorer for your beliefs.

But the rest of us now have to suffer because of your williningness to surrender our prosperity over this abstract concept that being part of Europe somehow impacts our sovereignty.

It's called Democracy, and more people agree with me than you.

Are we really back to this argument. This is what people want, It’s happening let’s get on with it no matter how badly it fucks up the country?

Did it not state on our A50 withdrawal that we are a sovereign state and always have been - if we were not a sovereign state how could we leave the EU?

Secondly immigration :

Rest of the world immigrants have ALWAYS out numbed EU immigration which our sovereign government always had control.

Wef 2004 when the eastern States joined the EU rules of freedom of movement only ALLOWS 90 DAYS.

Over 90 days immigrants were required to have:

1. Sufficient income or capital not to be a burden on the host state

2. Comprehensive medical cover so not to be a burden on the host state

3. Not be a security risk

IF THEY DIDN'T MEET THESE REQUIREMENTS THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT COULD REFUSE ENTRY.

Fact fact fact!

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple over a year ago

London

"Vive le BREXIT

Currently Britain pays about £350 million gross, £180 million nett, into the EU budget each week.

Vive le driot

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-06/a-240-billion-a-month-market-leaves-london-because-of-brexit

In fairness we knew this, give or take a few quid, before the referendum. And people still voted against their own interests.

Shows the power of the elites of this country and how people’s fears of “them coming over here and doing xyz”, can convince people to do anything.

Maybe some people see our sovereignty and independence as being more important than a few extra quid in their pocket.

I know I do.

Our sovereignty is not for sale at any price.

Wait a sec. are you giving up the economic argument now, What changed your mind?

You’ve been vehemently arguing that we will be better off after Brexit.

No I'm not saying that at all. I do think that we will be better off out but even if we weren't I'd still rather retain our sovereignty than sell it down the river for a few extra quid.

If have no issue with that if it was just you being poorer for your beliefs.

But the rest of us now have to suffer because of your williningness to surrender our prosperity over this abstract concept that being part of Europe somehow impacts our sovereignty.

It's called Democracy, and more people agree with me than you.

They did in 2016. Current polls suggest they don't anymore. Can we check to see what the position is now?

So whoever wins the champions league this season will hold it for ever and there will never be another competition?

I have to say that the use of that football analogy is perhaps the most stupid argument brexiteers use. They appear to be unaware that there is a new decision on who is the best football team in Europe, England or wherever every year.

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By *andm288Couple over a year ago

oxford

"Vive le BREXIT

Currently Britain pays about £350 million gross, £180 million nett, into the EU budget each week.

Vive le driot

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-06/a-240-billion-a-month-market-leaves-london-because-of-brexit

In fairness we knew this, give or take a few quid, before the referendum. And people still voted against their own interests.

Shows the power of the elites of this country and how people’s fears of “them coming over here and doing xyz”, can convince people to do anything.

Maybe some people see our sovereignty and independence as being more important than a few extra quid in their pocket.

I know I do.

Our sovereignty is not for sale at any price.

Wait a sec. are you giving up the economic argument now, What changed your mind?

You’ve been vehemently arguing that we will be better off after Brexit.

No I'm not saying that at all. I do think that we will be better off out but even if we weren't I'd still rather retain our sovereignty than sell it down the river for a few extra quid.

If have no issue with that if it was just you being poorer for your beliefs.

But the rest of us now have to suffer because of your williningness to surrender our prosperity over this abstract concept that being part of Europe somehow impacts our sovereignty.

It's called Democracy, and more people agree with me than you.

They did in 2016. Current polls suggest they don't anymore. Can we check to see what the position is now? "

Let’s just be clear on this

The country held a vote to leave the choices were stay in the EU or leave

It was a democratic vote

For the people that turned upto vote

The majority voted to leave

End of

If you don’t like democracy then go live in North Korea

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Vive le BREXIT

Currently Britain pays about £350 million gross, £180 million nett, into the EU budget each week.

Vive le driot

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-06/a-240-billion-a-month-market-leaves-london-because-of-brexit

In fairness we knew this, give or take a few quid, before the referendum. And people still voted against their own interests.

Shows the power of the elites of this country and how people’s fears of “them coming over here and doing xyz”, can convince people to do anything.

Maybe some people see our sovereignty and independence as being more important than a few extra quid in their pocket.

I know I do.

Our sovereignty is not for sale at any price.

Wait a sec. are you giving up the economic argument now, What changed your mind?

You’ve been vehemently arguing that we will be better off after Brexit.

No I'm not saying that at all. I do think that we will be better off out but even if we weren't I'd still rather retain our sovereignty than sell it down the river for a few extra quid.

If have no issue with that if it was just you being poorer for your beliefs.

But the rest of us now have to suffer because of your williningness to surrender our prosperity over this abstract concept that being part of Europe somehow impacts our sovereignty.

It's called Democracy, and more people agree with me than you.

They did in 2016. Current polls suggest they don't anymore. Can we check to see what the position is now?

Let’s just be clear on this

The country held a vote to leave the choices were stay in the EU or leave

It was a democratic vote

For the people that turned upto vote

The majority voted to leave

End of

If you don’t like democracy then go live in North Korea "

So democracy ends now? That’s it, no more decisions, the laws we have after March 19th are fixed forever more. Parliament can step down and that’s that.

Seems reasonable.

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By *andm288Couple over a year ago

oxford

No sorry your wrong

We will make our own laws when we leave

In clear English

THE MAJORITY OF THE BRITISH PEOPLE WHO VOTED IN THE REFERENDUM

VOTED TO LEAVE

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No sorry your wrong

We will make our own laws when we leave

In clear English

THE MAJORITY OF THE BRITISH PEOPLE WHO VOTED IN THE REFERENDUM

VOTED TO LEAVE "

Raaahhhhhh! Haha.

Actually, the majority voted join. Then there was a second referendum, and then the majority voted leave.

So you’re saying there should have been no second referendum because we’d already had one?

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By *andm288Couple over a year ago

oxford

Nope all I’m saying in the recent referendum the majority voted to leave

So that’s all to say

The majority won

If remoaners don’t like it tuff

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Nope all I’m saying in the recent referendum the majority voted to leave

So that’s all to say

The majority won

If remoaners don’t like it tuff "

Just for the record. I’m not in favour of a third referendum.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Vive le BREXIT

Currently Britain pays about £350 million gross, £180 million nett, into the EU budget each week.

Vive le driot

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-06/a-240-billion-a-month-market-leaves-london-because-of-brexit

In fairness we knew this, give or take a few quid, before the referendum. And people still voted against their own interests.

Shows the power of the elites of this country and how people’s fears of “them coming over here and doing xyz”, can convince people to do anything.

Maybe some people see our sovereignty and independence as being more important than a few extra quid in their pocket.

I know I do.

Our sovereignty is not for sale at any price.

Wait a sec. are you giving up the economic argument now, What changed your mind?

You’ve been vehemently arguing that we will be better off after Brexit.

No I'm not saying that at all. I do think that we will be better off out but even if we weren't I'd still rather retain our sovereignty than sell it down the river for a few extra quid. "

It's not just a few extra quid though, is it

You have said before that the economy of the UK is well down the list of priorities to be fair, although you've also stated we'll be so much better off, though with no facts to back up such claims.

What I can't understand though is how a bit of sovereignty which isn't tangible is far more important to you than schools, hospitals, police, social care, defence and so on, because with less money from the economy we have less of everything.

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By *oi_LucyCouple over a year ago

Barbados

"No sorry your wrong

We will make our own laws when we leave

In clear English

THE MAJORITY OF THE BRITISH PEOPLE WHO VOTED IN THE REFERENDUM

VOTED TO LEAVE "

What fucking language do you think we currently write our laws in?!

-Matt

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No sorry your wrong

We will make our own laws when we leave

In clear English

THE MAJORITY OF THE BRITISH PEOPLE WHO VOTED IN THE REFERENDUM

VOTED TO LEAVE

What fucking language do you think we currently write our laws in?!

-Matt"

Lol

Hindu ?

Silbo Gomero

maybe

Xhosa even

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No sorry your wrong

We will make our own laws when we leave

In clear English

THE MAJORITY OF THE BRITISH PEOPLE WHO VOTED IN THE REFERENDUM

VOTED TO LEAVE

What fucking language do you think we currently write our laws in?!

-Matt"

Does it say something about leave voters with comments like this or not ?

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By *oi_LucyCouple over a year ago

Barbados

"No sorry your wrong

We will make our own laws when we leave

In clear English

THE MAJORITY OF THE BRITISH PEOPLE WHO VOTED IN THE REFERENDUM

VOTED TO LEAVE

What fucking language do you think we currently write our laws in?!

-Matt

Lol

Hindu ?

Silbo Gomero

maybe

Xhosa even

Muslamic. Obviously.

-Matt

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

"Nope all I’m saying in the recent referendum the majority voted to leave

So that’s all to say

The majority won

If remoaners don’t like it tuff

Just for the record. I’m not in favour of a third referendum.

I just take exception to the argument that people voted for it, so just deal with the oncoming shit storm quietly without saying anything. Don’t try in anyway to improve the situation, don’t even talk about it. "
can you explain how yr improving the situation tho by talking about the negatives every day how does that improve anything at all ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Nope all I’m saying in the recent referendum the majority voted to leave

So that’s all to say

The majority won

If remoaners don’t like it tuff

Just for the record. I’m not in favour of a third referendum.

I just take exception to the argument that people voted for it, so just deal with the oncoming shit storm quietly without saying anything. Don’t try in anyway to improve the situation, don’t even talk about it. can you explain how yr improving the situation tho by talking about the negatives every day how does that improve anything at all ?"

First of all, I can say there are an overwhelming number of negatives, so any conversation about Brexit will inevitably include some negative points.

Secondly, I feel like we should be able to voice our dissatisfaction, the idea that we should sit silently, isn’t cool. Look at the ridicule spewed out and directed at people who protested for another vote, by one of the prominent leavers on here. And on this thread being told to stop talking about Brexit.

Thirdly, I’m not saying every single thing I or any remainers is saying is productive. Mearly that we should be allowed to try.

Fourthly, Discussion in general does help. It’s part of social change. I attended several anti-Brexit matches. (Not the peoples vote match as I’m not behind that one).

Fithly, plenty of things I say on here are counter-productive. I like poking people who make nonsensical posts, and it’s more for amusement than actually wishing to achieve anything.

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

"Nope all I’m saying in the recent referendum the majority voted to leave

So that’s all to say

The majority won

If remoaners don’t like it tuff

Just for the record. I’m not in favour of a third referendum.

I just take exception to the argument that people voted for it, so just deal with the oncoming shit storm quietly without saying anything. Don’t try in anyway to improve the situation, don’t even talk about it. can you explain how yr improving the situation tho by talking about the negatives every day how does that improve anything at all ?

First of all, I can say there are an overwhelming number of negatives, so any conversation about Brexit will inevitably include some negative points.

Thirdly, I’m not saying every single thing I or any remainers is saying is productive. Mearly that we should be allowed to try.

Fourthly, Discussion in general does help. It’s part of social change. I attended several anti-Brexit matches. (Not the peoples vote match as I’m not behind that one).

Fithly, plenty of things I say on here are counter-productive. I like poking people who make nonsensical posts, and it’s more for amusement than actually wishing to achieve anything. Great post and very honest can’t fault you Im not against talking brexit it’s just sometime the constant moaning of the same shit can be a tad boreing but hats of for being honest

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Vive le BREXIT

Currently Britain pays about £350 million gross, £180 million nett, into the EU budget each week.

Vive le driot

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-06/a-240-billion-a-month-market-leaves-london-because-of-brexit

In fairness we knew this, give or take a few quid, before the referendum. And people still voted against their own interests.

Shows the power of the elites of this country and how people’s fears of “them coming over here and doing xyz”, can convince people to do anything.

Maybe some people see our sovereignty and independence as being more important than a few extra quid in their pocket.

I know I do.

Our sovereignty is not for sale at any price.

Wait a sec. are you giving up the economic argument now, What changed your mind?

You’ve been vehemently arguing that we will be better off after Brexit.

No I'm not saying that at all. I do think that we will be better off out but even if we weren't I'd still rather retain our sovereignty than sell it down the river for a few extra quid.

If have no issue with that if it was just you being poorer for your beliefs.

But the rest of us now have to suffer because of your williningness to surrender our prosperity over this abstract concept that being part of Europe somehow impacts our sovereignty.

It's called Democracy, and more people agree with me than you.

They did in 2016. Current polls suggest they don't anymore. Can we check to see what the position is now?

Let’s just be clear on this

The country held a vote to leave the choices were stay in the EU or leave

It was a democratic vote

For the people that turned upto vote

The majority voted to leave

End of

If you don’t like democracy then go live in North Korea

So democracy ends now? That’s it, no more decisions, the laws we have after March 19th are fixed forever more. Parliament can step down and that’s that.

Seems reasonable."

This whole "so democracy ends now" argument remoaners put out is complete nonsense. We had a referendum in 2016 and were told by the government and both remain and leave campaigns that the result of the referendum would be implemented. FFS the government even spent £9 million quid of taxpayers money on a remain propaganda leaflet sent to every house in the country which promised the result would be respected and delivered/implemented.

We have general elections in this country every 5 years so of course democracy hasn't ended in the UK, to suggest otherwise is ridiculous. The EU referendum was a once in a generation opportunity to vote on this particular issue though (as the last vote before 2016 on it was 40 years ago in the 1970's (also the Scots indy ref was a once in a generation opportunity to vote on Independence for Scotland). Everyone knew this and it was made crystal clear!

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Ah yes, the old "all Brexiteers are xenophobic" argument.

Tony Benn explains it better than me: https://youtu.be/f0wFii8klNg"

Something I agree with you on Jim, or should I say I agree with Tony Benn.

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By *nleashedCraken OP Man over a year ago

Widnes

"Vive le BREXIT

Currently Britain pays about £350 million gross, £180 million nett, into the EU budget each week.

Vive le driot

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-06/a-240-billion-a-month-market-leaves-london-because-of-brexit

In fairness we knew this, give or take a few quid, before the referendum. And people still voted against their own interests.

Shows the power of the elites of this country and how people’s fears of “them coming over here and doing xyz”, can convince people to do anything.

Maybe some people see our sovereignty and independence as being more important than a few extra quid in their pocket.

I know I do.

Our sovereignty is not for sale at any price. "

I agree but and yet you seem willing to give it away for nothing or less. Not having any price doesn't normally mean nothing. Very strange attitude.

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By *nleashedCraken OP Man over a year ago

Widnes

"Vive le BREXIT

Currently Britain pays about £350 million gross, £180 million nett, into the EU budget each week.

Vive le driot

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-06/a-240-billion-a-month-market-leaves-london-because-of-brexit

In fairness we knew this, give or take a few quid, before the referendum. And people still voted against their own interests.

Shows the power of the elites of this country and how people’s fears of “them coming over here and doing xyz”, can convince people to do anything.

Maybe some people see our sovereignty and independence as being more important than a few extra quid in their pocket.

I know I do.

Our sovereignty is not for sale at any price.

Wait a sec. are you giving up the economic argument now, What changed your mind?

You’ve been vehemently arguing that we will be better off after Brexit.

No I'm not saying that at all. I do think that we will be better off out but even if we weren't I'd still rather retain our sovereignty than sell it down the river for a few extra quid.

If have no issue with that if it was just you being poorer for your beliefs.

But the rest of us now have to suffer because of your williningness to surrender our prosperity over this abstract concept that being part of Europe somehow impacts our sovereignty.

It's called Democracy, and more people agree with me than you.

In that case why not ask them again just to be sure. If Leave wins again, which according to you they would, then it's a done deal.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Nope all I’m saying in the recent referendum the majority voted to leave

So that’s all to say

The majority won

If remoaners don’t like it tuff

Just for the record. I’m not in favour of a third referendum.

I just take exception to the argument that people voted for it, so just deal with the oncoming shit storm quietly without saying anything. Don’t try in anyway to improve the situation, don’t even talk about it. can you explain how yr improving the situation tho by talking about the negatives every day how does that improve anything at all ?

First of all, I can say there are an overwhelming number of negatives, so any conversation about Brexit will inevitably include some negative points.

Thirdly, I’m not saying every single thing I or any remainers is saying is productive. Mearly that we should be allowed to try.

Fourthly, Discussion in general does help. It’s part of social change. I attended several anti-Brexit matches. (Not the peoples vote match as I’m not behind that one).

Well thank you, always willing to listen to interesting points of view.

I have two friends who voted leave, they big have reasons (completely different reasons to anything I’ve seen posted here). And they both articulate their arguments eloquently and are open to be challenged.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple over a year ago

London

"Vive le BREXIT

Currently Britain pays about £350 million gross, £180 million nett, into the EU budget each week.

Vive le driot

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-06/a-240-billion-a-month-market-leaves-london-because-of-brexit

In fairness we knew this, give or take a few quid, before the referendum. And people still voted against their own interests.

Shows the power of the elites of this country and how people’s fears of “them coming over here and doing xyz”, can convince people to do anything.

Maybe some people see our sovereignty and independence as being more important than a few extra quid in their pocket.

I know I do.

Our sovereignty is not for sale at any price.

Wait a sec. are you giving up the economic argument now, What changed your mind?

You’ve been vehemently arguing that we will be better off after Brexit.

No I'm not saying that at all. I do think that we will be better off out but even if we weren't I'd still rather retain our sovereignty than sell it down the river for a few extra quid.

If have no issue with that if it was just you being poorer for your beliefs.

But the rest of us now have to suffer because of your williningness to surrender our prosperity over this abstract concept that being part of Europe somehow impacts our sovereignty.

It's called Democracy, and more people agree with me than you.

They did in 2016. Current polls suggest they don't anymore. Can we check to see what the position is now?

Let’s just be clear on this

The country held a vote to leave the choices were stay in the EU or leave

It was a democratic vote

For the people that turned upto vote

The majority voted to leave

End of

If you don’t like democracy then go live in North Korea

So democracy ends now? That’s it, no more decisions, the laws we have after March 19th are fixed forever more. Parliament can step down and that’s that.

Seems reasonable.

In 1987 the tories won an election, where it stated quite clearly in their manifesto that the poll tax would be introduced if they won.

After winning they proceeded to implement the poll tax. It was a complete disaster leading to mass non payment, riots and the downfall of the pm.

Consequently in 1991, the new tory pm, still operating on the basis of the 1987 mandate, abolished the poll tax.

You can call that anti democratic. A government was elected promising to implement certain policies and then changed their mind.

I'd prefer to call it sensible. You think a policy is a good idea and it turns out to be a disaster. Responsible leadership then involves having the guts to say you were wrong.

I wonder if there are any lessons to be learned from the poll tax episode.

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By *nleashedCraken OP Man over a year ago

Widnes

"Nope all I’m saying in the recent referendum the majority voted to leave

So that’s all to say

The majority won

If remoaners don’t like it tuff

Just for the record. I’m not in favour of a third referendum.

I just take exception to the argument that people voted for it, so just deal with the oncoming shit storm quietly without saying anything. Don’t try in anyway to improve the situation, don’t even talk about it. can you explain how yr improving the situation tho by talking about the negatives every day how does that improve anything at all ?"

Well if there was any real positives I'm sure the BREXITERS would have mentioned them by now.

The reality is is that, because there are no real positives to BREXIT, any discussion on BREXIT is always negative. It's either talk about BREXIT negatively or don't talk about it at all. There is no other choice.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

There needs to be some material change for another referendum to take place.

Has anything changed materially since 2016?

The arguments repeated for and against in these threads are not new - people could hear them in 2016.

People campaigned on the consequences - both negative and positive.

I don't see anything materially new in the arguments.

You could argue that, two years later, the electorate has changed - people who were 16 then are now eligible to vote while some of those who voted in 2016 will no longer be with us.

We are arguing now about the implementation of the decision.

For me, that's something to argue over in manifestos at a general election.

I honestly do not think most people would thank you for asking them to go through it all again.

I'm a Brenda from Bristol in that regard.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Nope all I’m saying in the recent referendum the majority voted to leave

So that’s all to say

The majority won

If remoaners don’t like it tuff

Just for the record. I’m not in favour of a third referendum.

I just take exception to the argument that people voted for it, so just deal with the oncoming shit storm quietly without saying anything. Don’t try in anyway to improve the situation, don’t even talk about it. can you explain how yr improving the situation tho by talking about the negatives every day how does that improve anything at all ?

Well if there was any real positives I'm sure the BREXITERS would have mentioned them by now.

No, here is the real reason and It's because we had a referendum 2 years ago when all the arguments were made on both sides. Remain lost and now bitter, twisted, sore loser remoaners want to re-run the referendum again, making the same tired old arguments they lost with in 2016, while leavers have no need to because we won the argument in 2016.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Vive le BREXIT

Currently Britain pays about £350 million gross, £180 million nett, into the EU budget each week.

Vive le driot

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-06/a-240-billion-a-month-market-leaves-london-because-of-brexit

In fairness we knew this, give or take a few quid, before the referendum. And people still voted against their own interests.

Shows the power of the elites of this country and how people’s fears of “them coming over here and doing xyz”, can convince people to do anything.

Maybe some people see our sovereignty and independence as being more important than a few extra quid in their pocket.

I know I do.

Our sovereignty is not for sale at any price.

I agree but and yet you seem willing to give it away for nothing or less. Not having any price doesn't normally mean nothing. Very strange attitude.

You've clearly misunderstood or misinterpreted what I said so here it is again put another way... Our sovereignty is not for sale. Full stop. End of.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Nope all I’m saying in the recent referendum the majority voted to leave

So that’s all to say

The majority won

If remoaners don’t like it tuff

Just for the record. I’m not in favour of a third referendum.

I just take exception to the argument that people voted for it, so just deal with the oncoming shit storm quietly without saying anything. Don’t try in anyway to improve the situation, don’t even talk about it. can you explain how yr improving the situation tho by talking about the negatives every day how does that improve anything at all ?

Well if there was any real positives I'm sure the BREXITERS would have mentioned them by now.

You just proved the previous poster right, you’ve made it too easy. You can do better.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

You clearly do not understand how international treaties work.

Every international agreement cedes a degree of sovereignty in return for some perceived benefit.

It's how nations co-operate.

The only country I can think of that retains sovereignty, as a result of its isolation, is North Korea.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Nope all I’m saying in the recent referendum the majority voted to leave

So that’s all to say

The majority won

If remoaners don’t like it tuff

Just for the record. I’m not in favour of a third referendum.

I just take exception to the argument that people voted for it, so just deal with the oncoming shit storm quietly without saying anything. Don’t try in anyway to improve the situation, don’t even talk about it. can you explain how yr improving the situation tho by talking about the negatives every day how does that improve anything at all ?

Well if there was any real positives I'm sure the BREXITERS would have mentioned them by now.

Yes you won - so why are you moaning?

Who is running the brexit negotiations - Raab leaver.

Who's running our WTO schedule negotiations - Fox leaver.

The PM is committed to leave no matter what - converted leaver.

Oh and before you comment watch the channel 4 programme which had your "leader" Farage as the worst possible leader option and BOJO not far behind him - both leavers.(worse than May).

Name one remainer who is in a position of power to reverse the referendum result?

For the record I don't agree with a second vote - we need to see who was right and who was wrong! Just look at the jobs that's being lost before we have left.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

"Vive le BREXIT

Currently Britain pays about £350 million gross, £180 million nett, into the EU budget each week.

Vive le driot

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-06/a-240-billion-a-month-market-leaves-london-because-of-brexit

In fairness we knew this, give or take a few quid, before the referendum. And people still voted against their own interests.

Shows the power of the elites of this country and how people’s fears of “them coming over here and doing xyz”, can convince people to do anything.

Maybe some people see our sovereignty and independence as being more important than a few extra quid in their pocket.

I know I do.

Our sovereignty is not for sale at any price.

Wait a sec. are you giving up the economic argument now, What changed your mind?

You’ve been vehemently arguing that we will be better off after Brexit.

No I'm not saying that at all. I do think that we will be better off out but even if we weren't I'd still rather retain our sovereignty than sell it down the river for a few extra quid.

If have no issue with that if it was just you being poorer for your beliefs.

But the rest of us now have to suffer because of your williningness to surrender our prosperity over this abstract concept that being part of Europe somehow impacts our sovereignty.

It's called Democracy, and more people agree with me than you. "

Democracy is an ongoing process - that referendum was a static event quite some way in the past, when people were more ignorant than today. The UK's citizens are now wiser and the immediate concern is whether the specific deal (if they even manage to achieve it) is better or worse than remaining in the EU.

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By *avidnsa69Man over a year ago

Essex

"Vive le BREXIT

Currently Britain pays about £350 million gross, £180 million nett, into the EU budget each week.

Vive le driot

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-06/a-240-billion-a-month-market-leaves-london-because-of-brexit

How much did Britain earn from this $240 billion a day, how much did the CME group pay in tax last year ?

The UK has a trade deficit with the EU as a full member. "

You do know that the trade we do via EU membership isnt just with other EU states dont you? There are scores of EU wide deals which enable us to trade with, and make profit from, countries with which the EU has trade deals.

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By *avidnsa69Man over a year ago

Essex

Well as I say, should we have another referendum to check if that's what people still want. That's democracy isn't it?

No.

The Government publishing papers which explain the implications of no deal brexit isnt a fear campaign though, it's called sharing information. You might not like what the papers say, but ignoring it is dumb at best

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By *avidnsa69Man over a year ago

Essex

"Vive le BREXIT

Currently Britain pays about £350 million gross, £180 million nett, into the EU budget each week.

Vive le driot

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-06/a-240-billion-a-month-market-leaves-london-because-of-brexit

In fairness we knew this, give or take a few quid, before the referendum. And people still voted against their own interests.

Shows the power of the elites of this country and how people’s fears of “them coming over here and doing xyz”, can convince people to do anything.

Maybe some people see our sovereignty and independence as being more important than a few extra quid in their pocket.

I know I do.

Our sovereignty is not for sale at any price.

Wait a sec. are you giving up the economic argument now, What changed your mind?

You’ve been vehemently arguing that we will be better off after Brexit.

No I'm not saying that at all. I do think that we will be better off out but even if we weren't I'd still rather retain our sovereignty than sell it down the river for a few extra quid.

If have no issue with that if it was just you being poorer for your beliefs.

But the rest of us now have to suffer because of your williningness to surrender our prosperity over this abstract concept that being part of Europe somehow impacts our sovereignty.

It's called Democracy, and more people agree with me than you.

They did in 2016. Current polls suggest they don't anymore. Can we check to see what the position is now?

Let’s just be clear on this

The country held a vote to leave the choices were stay in the EU or leave

It was a democratic vote

For the people that turned upto vote

The majority voted to leave

End of

If you don’t like democracy then go live in North Korea "

I dont think you really "get" democracy do you? It's not a one off event

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By *avidnsa69Man over a year ago

Essex

"Nope all I’m saying in the recent referendum the majority voted to leave

So that’s all to say

The majority won

If remoaners don’t like it tuff

Just for the record. I’m not in favour of a third referendum.

I just take exception to the argument that people voted for it, so just deal with the oncoming shit storm quietly without saying anything. Don’t try in anyway to improve the situation, don’t even talk about it. can you explain how yr improving the situation tho by talking about the negatives every day how does that improve anything at all ?"

It improves things in exactly the same way that prattling on about unicorns and sunlit uplands does....ie not at all.

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By *avidnsa69Man over a year ago

Essex

"Vive le BREXIT

Currently Britain pays about £350 million gross, £180 million nett, into the EU budget each week.

Vive le driot

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-06/a-240-billion-a-month-market-leaves-london-because-of-brexit

In fairness we knew this, give or take a few quid, before the referendum. And people still voted against their own interests.

Shows the power of the elites of this country and how people’s fears of “them coming over here and doing xyz”, can convince people to do anything.

Maybe some people see our sovereignty and independence as being more important than a few extra quid in their pocket.

I know I do.

Our sovereignty is not for sale at any price.

Wait a sec. are you giving up the economic argument now, What changed your mind?

You’ve been vehemently arguing that we will be better off after Brexit.

No I'm not saying that at all. I do think that we will be better off out but even if we weren't I'd still rather retain our sovereignty than sell it down the river for a few extra quid.

If have no issue with that if it was just you being poorer for your beliefs.

But the rest of us now have to suffer because of your williningness to surrender our prosperity over this abstract concept that being part of Europe somehow impacts our sovereignty.

It's called Democracy, and more people agree with me than you.

They did in 2016. Current polls suggest they don't anymore. Can we check to see what the position is now?

Let’s just be clear on this

The country held a vote to leave the choices were stay in the EU or leave

It was a democratic vote

For the people that turned upto vote

The majority voted to leave

End of

If you don’t like democracy then go live in North Korea

So democracy ends now? That’s it, no more decisions, the laws we have after March 19th are fixed forever more. Parliament can step down and that’s that.

Seems reasonable.

I dont recall reading anywhere that there were rules about referenda being once in a generation. You just made that tosh up didnt you?

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

Well as I say, should we have another referendum to check if that's what people still want. That's democracy isn't it?

No.

The No Deal papers said we WOULDN'T run out of food and we WOULDN'T run out of medicine!

So yes remainers were going around scaremongering and saying we would run out of food and medicine were running a fear campaign!

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By *avidnsa69Man over a year ago

Essex

Well as I say, should we have another referendum to check if that's what people still want. That's democracy isn't it?

No.

The No Deal papers said we WOULDN'T run out of food and we WOULDN'T run out of medicine!

So yes remainers were going around scaremongering and saying we would run out of food and medicine were running a fear campaign!"

Those scaremongers who write for the Express, Mail and telegraph....

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Vive le BREXIT

Currently Britain pays about £350 million gross, £180 million nett, into the EU budget each week.

Vive le driot

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-06/a-240-billion-a-month-market-leaves-london-because-of-brexit

In fairness we knew this, give or take a few quid, before the referendum. And people still voted against their own interests.

Shows the power of the elites of this country and how people’s fears of “them coming over here and doing xyz”, can convince people to do anything.

Maybe some people see our sovereignty and independence as being more important than a few extra quid in their pocket.

I know I do.

Our sovereignty is not for sale at any price.

Wait a sec. are you giving up the economic argument now, What changed your mind?

You’ve been vehemently arguing that we will be better off after Brexit.

No I'm not saying that at all. I do think that we will be better off out but even if we weren't I'd still rather retain our sovereignty than sell it down the river for a few extra quid.

If have no issue with that if it was just you being poorer for your beliefs.

But the rest of us now have to suffer because of your williningness to surrender our prosperity over this abstract concept that being part of Europe somehow impacts our sovereignty.

It's called Democracy, and more people agree with me than you.

They did in 2016. Current polls suggest they don't anymore. Can we check to see what the position is now?

Let’s just be clear on this

The country held a vote to leave the choices were stay in the EU or leave

It was a democratic vote

For the people that turned upto vote

The majority voted to leave

End of

If you don’t like democracy then go live in North Korea

So democracy ends now? That’s it, no more decisions, the laws we have after March 19th are fixed forever more. Parliament can step down and that’s that.

Seems reasonable.

I dont recall reading anywhere that there were rules about referenda being once in a generation. You just made that tosh up didnt you?"

No, just quoting what leaders said at the time. Alex Salmond the then leader of the SNP said the Scots indy ref was a "once in a generation opportunity to vote on Scottish independence".

David Cameron the then Prime minister said the EU referendum was the most important vote people would make in their lifetime. People knew it was a once in a generation opportunity to vote on It.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

Well as I say, should we have another referendum to check if that's what people still want. That's democracy isn't it?

No.

The No Deal papers said we WOULDN'T run out of food and we WOULDN'T run out of medicine!

So yes remainers were going around scaremongering and saying we would run out of food and medicine were running a fear campaign!

Those scaremongers who write for the Express, Mail and telegraph...."

No more like the Guardian, The daily Mirror and the FT.

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By *athy1Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

Well as I say, should we have another referendum to check if that's what people still want. That's democracy isn't it?

No.

The No Deal papers said we WOULDN'T run out of food and we WOULDN'T run out of medicine!

So yes remainers were going around scaremongering and saying we would run out of food and medicine were running a fear campaign!

Those scaremongers who write for the Express, Mail and telegraph....

Utter crap

No more like the Guardian, The daily Mirror and the FT. "

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

Well as I say, should we have another referendum to check if that's what people still want. That's democracy isn't it?

No.

The No Deal papers said we WOULDN'T run out of food and we WOULDN'T run out of medicine!

So yes remainers were going around scaremongering and saying we would run out of food and medicine were running a fear campaign!

Those scaremongers who write for the Express, Mail and telegraph....

No more like the Guardian, The daily Mirror and the FT. "

Oh and of course the London Evening Standard run by non other than the former remain chancellor George Osborne.

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By *avidnsa69Man over a year ago

Essex

Well as I say, should we have another referendum to check if that's what people still want. That's democracy isn't it?

No.

The No Deal papers said we WOULDN'T run out of food and we WOULDN'T run out of medicine!

So yes remainers were going around scaremongering and saying we would run out of food and medicine were running a fear campaign!

Those scaremongers who write for the Express, Mail and telegraph....

No more like the Guardian, The daily Mirror and the FT.

Oh and of course the London Evening Standard run by non other than the former remain chancellor George Osborne. "

Nice whataboutery. The Mail, Express and telegraph all led on exactly the same doomladen stories....I try to keep up with what the loony right wing press write too

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By *nleashedCraken OP Man over a year ago

Widnes

"Vive le BREXIT

Currently Britain pays about £350 million gross, £180 million nett, into the EU budget each week.

Vive le driot

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-06/a-240-billion-a-month-market-leaves-london-because-of-brexit

In fairness we knew this, give or take a few quid, before the referendum. And people still voted against their own interests.

Shows the power of the elites of this country and how people’s fears of “them coming over here and doing xyz”, can convince people to do anything.

Maybe some people see our sovereignty and independence as being more important than a few extra quid in their pocket.

I know I do.

Our sovereignty is not for sale at any price.

I agree but and yet you seem willing to give it away for nothing or less. Not having any price doesn't normally mean nothing. Very strange attitude.

You've clearly misunderstood or misinterpreted what I said so here it is again put another way... Our sovereignty is not for sale. Full stop. End of. "

And I still agree. So why are you giving it away for nothing?

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By *nleashedCraken OP Man over a year ago

Widnes

"Nope all I’m saying in the recent referendum the majority voted to leave

So that’s all to say

The majority won

If remoaners don’t like it tuff

Just for the record. I’m not in favour of a third referendum.

I just take exception to the argument that people voted for it, so just deal with the oncoming shit storm quietly without saying anything. Don’t try in anyway to improve the situation, don’t even talk about it. can you explain how yr improving the situation tho by talking about the negatives every day how does that improve anything at all ?

Well if there was any real positives I'm sure the BREXITERS would have mentioned them by now.

Any comment that starts with No isn't normally considered positive.

The people were told if we left the EU:-

We would have £350 million a week which we could spent on the NHS. Boris Johnson. We now know we won't.

The day after we vote to leave, we hold all the cards and we can choose the path we want. Michael Gove. We know now that's wasn't true.

The UK will get a better trade deal with the EU than when we're outside the EU. Douglas Caswell. We now know that's not going to happen.

In short the Leave campaign told the people of Britain that they could have all the advantages of being in the EU with no obligations or downside. Many people believed. However, as with most things that sound too good to be true, it was all totally untrue. We all now know this and the reason why the hard line BREXITERS don't want the people to have the final word on this is because they know the people won't be fooled again.

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By *andS66Couple over a year ago

Derby

"Vive le BREXIT

Currently Britain pays about £350 million gross, £180 million nett, into the EU budget each week.

Vive le driot

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-06/a-240-billion-a-month-market-leaves-london-because-of-brexit

What's their t/o on that traded volume? And their profit? And their tax?

How many jobs are being transferred? How many jobs here lost?

Your comparing a $250 Billion per day trade with £180 Million a week cash.

Maybe you should go the whole hog and compare it to the UK GDP of £8 Billion per day.

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By *andS66Couple over a year ago

Derby

"Vive le BREXIT

Currently Britain pays about £350 million gross, £180 million nett, into the EU budget each week.

Vive le driot

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-06/a-240-billion-a-month-market-leaves-london-because-of-brexit

In fairness we knew this, give or take a few quid, before the referendum. And people still voted against their own interests.

Shows the power of the elites of this country and how people’s fears of “them coming over here and doing xyz”, can convince people to do anything.

Maybe some people see our sovereignty and independence as being more important than a few extra quid in their pocket.

I know I do.

Our sovereignty is not for sale at any price.

Wait a sec. are you giving up the economic argument now, What changed your mind?

You’ve been vehemently arguing that we will be better off after Brexit.

No I'm not saying that at all. I do think that we will be better off out but even if we weren't I'd still rather retain our sovereignty than sell it down the river for a few extra quid.

If have no issue with that if it was just you being poorer for your beliefs.

But the rest of us now have to suffer because of your williningness to surrender our prosperity over this abstract concept that being part of Europe somehow impacts our sovereignty.

It's called Democracy, and more people agree with me than you.

They did in 2016. Current polls suggest they don't anymore. Can we check to see what the position is now? "

I heard on the radio yesterday that it's 54% Remain, 46% Leave....

From the same poll that, days before the referendum said it was....

54% Remain, 46% Leave.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Nope all I’m saying in the recent referendum the majority voted to leave

So that’s all to say

The majority won

If remoaners don’t like it tuff

Just for the record. I’m not in favour of a third referendum.

I just take exception to the argument that people voted for it, so just deal with the oncoming shit storm quietly without saying anything. Don’t try in anyway to improve the situation, don’t even talk about it. can you explain how yr improving the situation tho by talking about the negatives every day how does that improve anything at all ?

Well if there was any real positives I'm sure the BREXITERS would have mentioned them by now.

Any comment that starts with No isn't normally considered positive.

The people were told if we left the EU:-

We would have £350 million a week which we could spent on the NHS. Boris Johnson. We now know we won't.

The day after we vote to leave, we hold all the cards and we can choose the path we want. Michael Gove. We know now that's wasn't true.

The UK will get a better trade deal with the EU than when we're outside the EU. Douglas Caswell. We now know that's not going to happen.

The remain campaign said a vote to Leave would result in a self inflicted deep and immediate recession. David Cameron. We now know that wasn't true, and UK growth has continued.

The remain campaign said a vote to leave would result in half a million job losses. Nick Clegg. We now know that wasn't true, and overall UK job numbers have increased since the vote to leave, the complete opposite to what Clegg said.

If the country votes to leave there will need to be an emergency budget. George Osborne. We now know that wasn't true and there never was an emergency budget.

In short the remain campaign told the people of Britain that voting to leave would result in a plague being visited upon all of their houses. We now know none of it was true and yet the incessant scaremongering from remoaners still continues.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You clearly do not understand how international treaties work.

Every international agreement cedes a degree of sovereignty in return for some perceived benefit.

It's how nations co-operate.

The only country I can think of that retains sovereignty, as a result of its isolation, is North Korea.

He clearly shows he knows little about a lot of things.

So our Soverginty is so important , are we to leave NATO Centaur ?

are we to leave every single international treaty that errodes our national sovereignty ?

Or is that loss of sovereignty ok ?

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

"Nope all I’m saying in the recent referendum the majority voted to leave

So that’s all to say

The majority won

If remoaners don’t like it tuff

Just for the record. I’m not in favour of a third referendum.

I just take exception to the argument that people voted for it, so just deal with the oncoming shit storm quietly without saying anything. Don’t try in anyway to improve the situation, don’t even talk about it. can you explain how yr improving the situation tho by talking about the negatives every day how does that improve anything at all ?

Well if there was any real positives I'm sure the BREXITERS would have mentioned them by now.

Any comment that starts with No isn't normally considered positive.

The people were told if we left the EU:-

We would have £350 million a week which we could spent on the NHS. Boris Johnson. We now know we won't.

The day after we vote to leave, we hold all the cards and we can choose the path we want. Michael Gove. We know now that's wasn't true.

The UK will get a better trade deal with the EU than when we're outside the EU. Douglas Caswell. We now know that's not going to happen.

The remain campaign said a vote to Leave would result in a self inflicted deep and immediate recession. David Cameron. We now know that wasn't true, and UK growth has continued.

If the country votes to leave there will need to be an emergency budget. George Osborne. We now know that wasn't true and there never was an emergency budget.

We haven't left yet.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

Your post reminds me of a survey carried out in 2016 in which a majority of Britons said migration from the EU27 should be curbed - and a majority ALSO said Britons should be able to move freely to and from the EU27

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Awesome

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Voudrais-tu du gateau?

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Nope all I’m saying in the recent referendum the majority voted to leave

So that’s all to say

The majority won

If remoaners don’t like it tuff

Just for the record. I’m not in favour of a third referendum.

I just take exception to the argument that people voted for it, so just deal with the oncoming shit storm quietly without saying anything. Don’t try in anyway to improve the situation, don’t even talk about it. can you explain how yr improving the situation tho by talking about the negatives every day how does that improve anything at all ?

Well if there was any real positives I'm sure the BREXITERS would have mentioned them by now.

Any comment that starts with No isn't normally considered positive.

The people were told if we left the EU:-

We would have £350 million a week which we could spent on the NHS. Boris Johnson. We now know we won't.

The day after we vote to leave, we hold all the cards and we can choose the path we want. Michael Gove. We know now that's wasn't true.

The UK will get a better trade deal with the EU than when we're outside the EU. Douglas Caswell. We now know that's not going to happen.

The remain campaign said a vote to Leave would result in a self inflicted deep and immediate recession. David Cameron. We now know that wasn't true, and UK growth has continued.

If the country votes to leave there will need to be an emergency budget. George Osborne. We now know that wasn't true and there never was an emergency budget.

We haven't left yet.

Are you having difficulty reading? The remain scaremongering was based on a vote to leave, not actually leaving, none of which materialised or came true.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Politicians in this country are a joke.

Justice Secretary David Gauke and Shadow Trade Secretary Barry Gardiner both appeared as guests on the Channel Four Brexit show. Both open that a best case scenario is going to be detrimental to this country yet neither of them of their parties are prepared to try to do anything about it. Too scared to do the right thing for the country and go Against result of the 2016 refarendum.

Their job should be to do what’s in the interest of the Uk. Spineless and gutless weasels

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Brexit was never about economics it was always about immigration.Control of the borders.

Name me one port, airport or tunnel where your passport is not checked to enter the UK legally?

Any of the entry points from Ireland.

So if we get to the bare bones of it. We should ask why it was about immigration and borders. Who positioned and manipulated so many voters into being scared of people coming into the uk and why.

Anyone who actually reads up on it will find that immigrantion is a non-issue, and blown up out of all proportion.

Who really stands to gain from Brexit, who pulls the strings behind UKIP, Daily Mail, Express etc.

Ah good point - forgot about NI - always comes back to the border. Maybe we should have a referendum in NI about reunification?

Don't worry, that border doesn't count as there aren't that many brown people or muslims in Ireland.

-Matt"
When was the last time you where in Ireland...and it's the the Irish people north and south who'd have said referendum not you.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Politicians in this country are a joke.

Their job should be to do what’s in the interest of the Uk. Spineless and gutless weasels "

Agree but if you were in their shoes would you give up:

£75,000pa salary?

£???? Expenses - and probably employing wife or other family?

£1m pension pot?

They look after themselves - regardless of party. Why do we need 650 -U.S. have 420 for a much bigger population?

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple over a year ago

London

"Politicians in this country are a joke.

Their job should be to do what’s in the interest of the Uk. Spineless and gutless weasels

Agree but if you were in their shoes would you give up:

£75,000pa salary?

£???? Expenses - and probably employing wife or other family?

£1m pension pot?

They look after themselves - regardless of party. Why do we need 650 -U.S. have 420 for a much bigger population? "

To fair to them, they do have a bit of a dilemma. They do feel duty bound to leave given the referendum result whilst believing it will be an economic disaster.

I think the real strategic mistake was May insisting on a hard brexit for mainly party political reasons. It would have been perfectly feasible to say that the narrowness of the result showed the country was divided down the middle and what was needed was to bring everyone together. That could be done via a soft brexit which would honoured the referendum result whilst minimising the economic fall out.

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By *oi_LucyCouple over a year ago

Barbados

"Brexit was never about economics it was always about immigration.Control of the borders.

Name me one port, airport or tunnel where your passport is not checked to enter the UK legally?

Any of the entry points from Ireland.

So if we get to the bare bones of it. We should ask why it was about immigration and borders. Who positioned and manipulated so many voters into being scared of people coming into the uk and why.

Anyone who actually reads up on it will find that immigrantion is a non-issue, and blown up out of all proportion.

Who really stands to gain from Brexit, who pulls the strings behind UKIP, Daily Mail, Express etc.

Ah good point - forgot about NI - always comes back to the border. Maybe we should have a referendum in NI about reunification?

Don't worry, that border doesn't count as there aren't that many brown people or muslims in Ireland.

-MattWhen was the last time you where in Ireland...and it's the the Irish people north and south who'd have said referendum not you."

Uh-huh.

And?

-Matt

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Politicians in this country are a joke.

Their job should be to do what’s in the interest of the Uk. Spineless and gutless weasels

Agree but if you were in their shoes would you give up:

£75,000pa salary?

£???? Expenses - and probably employing wife or other family?

£1m pension pot?

They look after themselves - regardless of party. Why do we need 650 -U.S. have 420 for a much bigger population?

To fair to them, they do have a bit of a dilemma. They do feel duty bound to leave given the referendum result whilst believing it will be an economic disaster.

I don’t think they feel duty bound. I think their parties are scared of losing votes in the next election so are just pushing on with the bullshit that is Brexit. If they had any dignity they would do something.

I would like to think that in their place I wouldn’t be complicit in the downfall of the country to save my salary and pension.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Politicians in this country are a joke.

Their job should be to do what’s in the interest of the Uk. Spineless and gutless weasels

Agree but if you were in their shoes would you give up:

£75,000pa salary?

£???? Expenses - and probably employing wife or other family?

£1m pension pot?

They look after themselves - regardless of party. Why do we need 650 -U.S. have 420 for a much bigger population?

To fair to them, they do have a bit of a dilemma. They do feel duty bound to leave given the referendum result whilst believing it will be an economic disaster.

I would like to think that in their place I wouldn’t be complicit in the downfall of the country to save my salary and pension. "

Not a dig at you in anyway - just a point that most people look after their own first.

If the brexit Secretary didn't know or understand how important the Dover - Calais crossing was then we are truly doomed! There had been numerous warnings from experts about it - but that was just project fear! Well project fear is going to bite us all on the arse - and become project fact!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Both sides made claims which were exaggerated or misrepresentative. The treasury analysis itself never said recession. That was boy George’s own spin. The 350mil was never on the table. Turkey were never joining.

Those entrenched in brexit tend to have a one eye view on how events played out. Only the other side exaggerated.

Now they fight over every small number, again misrepresenting the signal they claim while ignoring the noise.

While project fear was exaggerated it feels it is directionally right. Be it gbp growth (looking weak but not disastrous), medcines (stock piling but not nit run out), or sterling.

Tbf job losses haven’t appeared, despite the headlines of high street closures and city relocations. Not sure about house prices.

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

"Politicians in this country are a joke.

Their job should be to do what’s in the interest of the Uk. Spineless and gutless weasels

Agree but if you were in their shoes would you give up:

£75,000pa salary?

£???? Expenses - and probably employing wife or other family?

£1m pension pot?

They look after themselves - regardless of party. Why do we need 650 -U.S. have 420 for a much bigger population?

To fair to them, they do have a bit of a dilemma. They do feel duty bound to leave given the referendum result whilst believing it will be an economic disaster.

I would like to think that in their place I wouldn’t be complicit in the downfall of the country to save my salary and pension.

Not a dig at you in anyway - just a point that most people look after their own first.

To suggest that the U.K. is an island, trading nation with a reliance on a port closest to the continent to process most of its trade is just more Project Fear peddled by swivel eyed Remainers.

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