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"Well I do believe he likes to rub shoulders with the leadership of Hamas " Indeed. And anyone who can call a socialist dictator like Fidel Castro a champion of social justice or can claim that Venezuela was the shining light and that we should all look to Hugo Chavez for inspiration...is a little silly I think. Not to mention frightening. | |||
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"Wow you must have a sad life if grammer policing is your game!! " It's not grammar policing, it's just good manners to call someone by their proper name. It's Jeremy Corbyn....not hard is it? | |||
"I don't have issues with labour, it's his links to the ira, and a lot of ex forces, like myself would string him up for what he did " You’re a couple of years late on that one. Malfunctioning Russian bot? | |||
"I don't have issues with labour, it's his links to the ira, and a lot of ex forces, like myself would string him up for what he did " Why? You don't like that he helped broker a peace deal? I'm guessing you would rather not be *ex* forces and still be serving in NI on the border then? Don't worry, the Tories are trying to ensure you will be back there again soon! -Matt | |||
"I think you've not done yourself any favours when you can't even spell his name right! Maybe grown up discussions aren't really for you?"  | |||
"I don't have issues with labour, it's his links to the ira, and a lot of ex forces, like myself would string him up for what he did Why? You don't like that he helped broker a peace deal? I'm guessing you would rather not be *ex* forces and still be serving in NI on the border then? Don't worry, the Tories are trying to ensure you will be back there again soon! -Matt" I agree. Im ex army. 3 tours of NI but vote labour. Ive had enough of the tories giving to the rich and taking from the poor. Homeless vets. The disabled being made out to be scroungers. It has to end. Hes not perfect but the tories are killing people everyday. | |||
"I don't have issues with labour, it's his links to the ira, and a lot of ex forces, like myself would string him up for what he did " Not this one.. The tories were talking to the IRA before he did, they being the Government at the time.. Jaw jaw etc.. So your opposed to the GFA then? | |||
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" Indeed. And anyone who can call a socialist dictator like Fidel Castro a champion of social justice or can claim that Venezuela was the shining light and that we should all look to Hugo Chavez for inspiration...is a little silly I think. Not to mention frightening. " Ah, the Castro and Chavez ware terrorists meme. You do know that prior to Castro Cuba was owned and run by the US mob and that the reason Cuba and Venezuela are in the mess they are in is because the USA has been prosecuting savage economic wars against them for years and in the case of Cuba decades. The countries most deserving of the label frightening are the USA, Russia and us (UK). In the last couple of decades we (the 3 of us) have been responsible for millions of deaths round the planet and 10's of million deaths around the world in the last 70 years. | |||
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"I don't have issues with labour, it's his links to the ira, and a lot of ex forces, like myself would string him up for what he did Not this one.. The tories were talking to the IRA before he did, they being the Government at the time.. Jaw jaw etc.. So your opposed to the GFA then? " The difference is that they were talking with both sides. You cannot bring peace when only speaking with one side...... | |||
"I don't have issues with labour, it's his links to the ira, and a lot of ex forces, like myself would string him up for what he did Not this one.. The tories were talking to the IRA before he did, they being the Government at the time.. Jaw jaw etc.. So your opposed to the GFA then? The difference is that they were talking with both sides. You cannot bring peace when only speaking with one side......" True and agreed, ty for clarifying that..  | |||
"I don't have issues with labour, it's his links to the ira, and a lot of ex forces, like myself would string him up for what he did Not this one.. The tories were talking to the IRA before he did, they being the Government at the time.. Jaw jaw etc.. So your opposed to the GFA then? The difference is that they were talking with both sides. You cannot bring peace when only speaking with one side...... True and agreed, ty for clarifying that.. "Unfortunately Corbyn only seems to speak with one side...... | |||
"Corbyn, part of illuminate ? A reptilian ? " Hes the illuminati king .Here to bring about the new world order..  | |||
"I don't have issues with labour, it's his links to the ira, and a lot of ex forces, like myself would string him up for what he did Not this one.. The tories were talking to the IRA before he did, they being the Government at the time.. Jaw jaw etc.. So your opposed to the GFA then? The difference is that they were talking with both sides. You cannot bring peace when only speaking with one side...... True and agreed, ty for clarifying that..
Unfortunately Corbyn only seems to speak with one side......"Possibly but what I would say he has been consistent in his call for dialogue and peace in many conflicts, which others have not.. | |||
"I don't have issues with labour, it's his links to the ira, and a lot of ex forces, like myself would string him up for what he did Not this one.. The tories were talking to the IRA before he did, they being the Government at the time.. Jaw jaw etc.. So your opposed to the GFA then? The difference is that they were talking with both sides. You cannot bring peace when only speaking with one side...... True and agreed, ty for clarifying that..
Unfortunately Corbyn only seems to speak with one side......
Possibly but what I would say he has been consistent in his call for dialogue and peace in many conflicts, which others have not.. "It's a myth about Corbyn that he's some saintly fighter for peace. He's actually an old fashioned anti imperialist. His abiding theory is that the west is to blame for whole of the world's ills, hence anyone who is anti West is objectively on the side of the angels. So he'll meet with hamas and sinn fein but never with Irish unionists or Israeli settlers. As a lefty myself I can't abide that sort of moral equivalence | |||
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"I find it so hard to even listen to this, vile oxygen thief, anyone else find him intoralable? " . Anybody with any common sense, he's a 70s dinosaur. | |||
"the bloke speaks to unionists every day that he is in parliament and has done for decades" Who and when? | |||
"I don't have issues with labour, it's his links to the ira, and a lot of ex forces, like myself would string him up for what he did " Why what did he do? | |||
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"Be careful what you say abut JC. Got me a ban a few weeks ago. He has friends in Fab places LOL." Corbyn is a moron and if you think he's a moron exercise your right to free speech and call him a moron. | |||
"I wouldn’t piss on him if he was on fire. Loathsome creature.." Why is he? | |||
"the bloke speaks to unionists every day that he is in parliament and has done for decades Who and when?" unionists .... everyday he is in parliament  | |||
"I wouldn’t piss on him if he was on fire. Loathsome creature.." Many here could say the same about you but don't because of its offensive nature. So maybe you should remove that post before someone does take offence and complains.  | |||
"I wouldn’t piss on him if he was on fire. Loathsome creature.. Many here could say the same about you but don't because of its offensive nature. So maybe you should remove that post before someone does take offence and complains. "No let him say it but I'd like him to explain why he feels like this | |||
"Be careful what you say abut JC. Got me a ban a few weeks ago. He has friends in Fab places LOL." It will be how you worded your post rather than the subject that would earn ban. Talking about bans could end up with another so maybe best to drop it. | |||
"the bloke speaks to unionists every day that he is in parliament and has done for decades Who and when? unionists .... everyday he is in parliament "Who specifically and when? Or is this just another urban myth? | |||
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"the bloke speaks to unionists every day that he is in parliament and has done for decades Who and when? unionists .... everyday he is in parliament
Who specifically and when?
Or is this just another urban myth?"the unionists he sits opposite ... every day he is in parliament | |||
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"There is very little in life that frightens me... but the thought of a Labour Government with him, McDonnel and Abbot in it does make me worry. "Being kinder to the less well off, more respectful to the environment and less pandering to the wishes of big corporations worries you? I’m not a labour supporter, but some of the fear and misinformation around Corbyn is astounding. | |||
"the bloke speaks to unionists every day that he is in parliament and has done for decades Who and when? unionists .... everyday he is in parliament
Who specifically and when?
Or is this just another urban myth?
the unionists he sits opposite ... every day he is in parliament "Nope...he doesn't speak with them. In fact, have you not heard the phrase "While they refuse to accept the concept of a united Ireland, we cannot speak to them".....Caucasus meeting 25/5/85. ....and that was the position for so long with the Ulster Unionists who were arguably the more moderate of the two Unionist parties. Now will you actually give a fact or perhaps just outline another urban myth please? | |||
"There is very little in life that frightens me... but the thought of a Labour Government with him, McDonnel and Abbot in it does make me worry.
Being kinder to the less well off, more respectful to the environment and less pandering to the wishes of big corporations worries you?
I’m not a labour supporter, but some of the fear and misinformation around Corbyn is astounding. "Seriously? The guy is a joke, he didn't even want to be the leader of the Labour Party. Team him up in government with McDonnel fucking up the economy, and Abbot putting her foot in it every time she opens her mouth, and the country will go downhill faster than an Olympic bobsleigh team! | |||
"the bloke speaks to unionists every day that he is in parliament and has done for decades Who and when? unionists .... everyday he is in parliament
Who specifically and when?
Or is this just another urban myth?
the unionists he sits opposite ... every day he is in parliament
Nope...he doesn't speak with them.
In fact, have you not heard the phrase "While they refuse to accept the concept of a united Ireland, we cannot speak to them".....Caucasus meeting 25/5/85.
....and that was the position for so long with the Ulster Unionists who were arguably the more moderate of the two Unionist parties.
Now will you actually give a fact or perhaps just outline another urban myth please?"the unionists which he sits opposite every day he is in parliament .... fact | |||
"the bloke speaks to unionists every day that he is in parliament and has done for decades Who and when? unionists .... everyday he is in parliament
Who specifically and when?
Or is this just another urban myth?
the unionists he sits opposite ... every day he is in parliament
Nope...he doesn't speak with them.
In fact, have you not heard the phrase "While they refuse to accept the concept of a united Ireland, we cannot speak to them".....Caucasus meeting 25/5/85.
....and that was the position for so long with the Ulster Unionists who were arguably the more moderate of the two Unionist parties.
Now will you actually give a fact or perhaps just outline another urban myth please?"how many unionist parties are in parliament chap? | |||
"There is very little in life that frightens me... but the thought of a Labour Government with him, McDonnel and Abbot in it does make me worry.
Being kinder to the less well off, more respectful to the environment and less pandering to the wishes of big corporations worries you?
I’m not a labour supporter, but some of the fear and misinformation around Corbyn is astounding.
Seriously?
The guy is a joke, he didn't even want to be the leader of the Labour Party.
Team him up in government with McDonnel fucking up the economy, and Abbot putting her foot in it every time she opens her mouth, and the country will go downhill faster than an Olympic bobsleigh team!"First bit is a total untruth The rest is unsupported opinion | |||
"I wouldn’t piss on him if he was on fire. Loathsome creature.. Many here could say the same about you but don't because of its offensive nature. So maybe you should remove that post before someone does take offence and complains. "Did someone mention water sport.... always happy to demonstrate golden showers on people...any takers should contact me by the usual message system..?? | |||
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"I wouldn’t piss on him if he was on fire. Loathsome creature.. Many here could say the same about you but don't because of its offensive nature. So maybe you should remove that post before someone does take offence and complains. "He is allowed to say it. | |||
"the bloke speaks to unionists every day that he is in parliament and has done for decades Who and when? unionists .... everyday he is in parliament
Who specifically and when?
Or is this just another urban myth?
the unionists he sits opposite ... every day he is in parliament
Nope...he doesn't speak with them.
In fact, have you not heard the phrase "While they refuse to accept the concept of a united Ireland, we cannot speak to them".....Caucasus meeting 25/5/85.
....and that was the position for so long with the Ulster Unionists who were arguably the more moderate of the two Unionist parties.
Now will you actually give a fact or perhaps just outline another urban myth please?
how many unionist parties are in parliament chap?"Yes...we are talking about when he was speaking to one side only during the troubles. May I remind you that the Good Friday Agreement is 20 years old. Before that during the troubles, he refused to engage with either unionist party, but flirted quite openly with those fringe nationalist parties who refused to condemn all violence. Jump ahead to his flirtations with middle eastern groups. Whether you support one side or another, the fact that he consistently refuses to engage with the Israeli powers tells us that his motives are not to bring about an equitable peace for both sides. The point is that a peace broker needs to engage with both sides during the troubles. To engage with one side only is effectively empowering thay faction. | |||
"I wouldn’t piss on him if he was on fire. Loathsome creature.. Many here could say the same about you but don't because of its offensive nature. So maybe you should remove that post before someone does take offence and complains.
He is allowed to say it."Can I say I wouldn't piss on a Tory voter? Just checking rules? | |||
What people say about people who are not on the site ( that I am aware ) is fine | |||
"I wouldn’t piss on him if he was on fire. Loathsome creature.. Many here could say the same about you but don't because of its offensive nature. So maybe you should remove that post before someone does take offence and complains.
He is allowed to say it.
Can I say I wouldn't piss on a Tory voter? Just checking rules?"Probably a good idea that you wouldn't do that as you would most likely be arrested and put on the sex offenders register or alternatively have less teeth than you had! Lol | |||
"Yeah maybe not
What people say about people who are not on the site ( that I am aware ) is fine"Cheers Ruby so I can say it about the PM Or Nigel farage. Awesome! | |||
"I wouldn’t piss on him if he was on fire. Loathsome creature.. Many here could say the same about you but don't because of its offensive nature. So maybe you should remove that post before someone does take offence and complains.
He is allowed to say it.
Can I say I wouldn't piss on a Tory voter? Just checking rules?"What happens if it's their favourite kink? | |||
"I wouldn’t piss on him if he was on fire. Loathsome creature.. Many here could say the same about you but don't because of its offensive nature. So maybe you should remove that post before someone does take offence and complains.
He is allowed to say it.
Can I say I wouldn't piss on a Tory voter? Just checking rules?
What happens if it's their favourite kink?"I believe they have already made it illegal. Or was that just squirting and taking pics? -Matt | |||
"I wouldn’t piss on him if he was on fire. Loathsome creature.. Many here could say the same about you but don't because of its offensive nature. So maybe you should remove that post before someone does take offence and complains.
He is allowed to say it.
Can I say I wouldn't piss on a Tory voter? Just checking rules?
What happens if it's their favourite kink?
I believe they have already made it illegal. Or was that just squirting and taking pics?
-Matt""Austerity is over".....but thwy are pissing down my neck and tell8ng me it's only rain lol | |||
"the bloke speaks to unionists every day that he is in parliament and has done for decades Who and when? unionists .... everyday he is in parliament
Who specifically and when?
Or is this just another urban myth?
the unionists he sits opposite ... every day he is in parliament
Nope...he doesn't speak with them.
In fact, have you not heard the phrase "While they refuse to accept the concept of a united Ireland, we cannot speak to them".....Caucasus meeting 25/5/85.
....and that was the position for so long with the Ulster Unionists who were arguably the more moderate of the two Unionist parties.
Now will you actually give a fact or perhaps just outline another urban myth please?
how many unionist parties are in parliament chap?
Yes...we are talking about when he was speaking to one side only during the troubles. May I remind you that the Good Friday Agreement is 20 years old. Before that during the troubles, he refused to engage with either unionist party, but flirted quite openly with those fringe nationalist parties who refused to condemn all violence.
Jump ahead to his flirtations with middle eastern groups. Whether you support one side or another, the fact that he consistently refuses to engage with the Israeli powers tells us that his motives are not to bring about an equitable peace for both sides.
The point is that a peace broker needs to engage with both sides during the troubles. To engage with one side only is effectively empowering thay faction."you are talking utter bollocks now. you imply that there are only two unionist parties in parliament and if that's what you think then it is utterly pointless disuccing anything with you until you get your facts straight | |||
"the bloke speaks to unionists every day that he is in parliament and has done for decades Who and when? unionists .... everyday he is in parliament
Who specifically and when?
Or is this just another urban myth?
the unionists he sits opposite ... every day he is in parliament
Nope...he doesn't speak with them.
In fact, have you not heard the phrase "While they refuse to accept the concept of a united Ireland, we cannot speak to them".....Caucasus meeting 25/5/85.
....and that was the position for so long with the Ulster Unionists who were arguably the more moderate of the two Unionist parties.
Now will you actually give a fact or perhaps just outline another urban myth please?
how many unionist parties are in parliament chap?
Yes...we are talking about when he was speaking to one side only during the troubles. May I remind you that the Good Friday Agreement is 20 years old. Before that during the troubles, he refused to engage with either unionist party, but flirted quite openly with those fringe nationalist parties who refused to condemn all violence.
Jump ahead to his flirtations with middle eastern groups. Whether you support one side or another, the fact that he consistently refuses to engage with the Israeli powers tells us that his motives are not to bring about an equitable peace for both sides.
The point is that a peace broker needs to engage with both sides during the troubles. To engage with one side only is effectively empowering thay faction.
you are talking utter bollocks now. you imply that there are only two unionist parties in parliament and if that's what you think then it is utterly pointless disuccing anything with you until you get your facts straight"Not at all.....what i am saying is that if you put yourself out as a peace broker, then you should be talking with both sides. During troubles, Jeremy Corbyn has consistently only talked with one side ..... which indicates he was not a peace broker, simply supporting the group that suits his personal political manifesto. If he was honest and said that this was his approach, then whether we agree or disagree with his viewpoint, he may engender a little more respect. Unfortunately his association with one side and not another not only tarnishes him but does not exactly assist with removing this government. Subsequently, should the Tories win the next election as a result, he will be guilty of a serious political crime. | |||
"the bloke speaks to unionists every day that he is in parliament and has done for decades Who and when? unionists .... everyday he is in parliament
Who specifically and when?
Or is this just another urban myth?
the unionists he sits opposite ... every day he is in parliament
Nope...he doesn't speak with them.
In fact, have you not heard the phrase "While they refuse to accept the concept of a united Ireland, we cannot speak to them".....Caucasus meeting 25/5/85.
....and that was the position for so long with the Ulster Unionists who were arguably the more moderate of the two Unionist parties.
Now will you actually give a fact or perhaps just outline another urban myth please?
how many unionist parties are in parliament chap?
Yes...we are talking about when he was speaking to one side only during the troubles. May I remind you that the Good Friday Agreement is 20 years old. Before that during the troubles, he refused to engage with either unionist party, but flirted quite openly with those fringe nationalist parties who refused to condemn all violence.
Jump ahead to his flirtations with middle eastern groups. Whether you support one side or another, the fact that he consistently refuses to engage with the Israeli powers tells us that his motives are not to bring about an equitable peace for both sides.
The point is that a peace broker needs to engage with both sides during the troubles. To engage with one side only is effectively empowering thay faction.
you are talking utter bollocks now. you imply that there are only two unionist parties in parliament and if that's what you think then it is utterly pointless disuccing anything with you until you get your facts straight
Not at all.....what i am saying is that if you put yourself out as a peace broker, then you should be talking with both sides.
During troubles, Jeremy Corbyn has consistently only talked with one side ..... which indicates he was not a peace broker, simply supporting the group that suits his personal political manifesto. If he was honest and said that this was his approach, then whether we agree or disagree with his viewpoint, he may engender a little more respect.
Unfortunately his association with one side and not another not only tarnishes him but does not exactly assist with removing this government.
Subsequently, should the Tories win the next election as a result, he will be guilty of a serious political crime."Utter drivel and ignorance . | |||
"the bloke speaks to unionists every day that he is in parliament and has done for decades Who and when? unionists .... everyday he is in parliament
Who specifically and when?
Or is this just another urban myth?
the unionists he sits opposite ... every day he is in parliament
Nope...he doesn't speak with them.
In fact, have you not heard the phrase "While they refuse to accept the concept of a united Ireland, we cannot speak to them".....Caucasus meeting 25/5/85.
....and that was the position for so long with the Ulster Unionists who were arguably the more moderate of the two Unionist parties.
Now will you actually give a fact or perhaps just outline another urban myth please?
how many unionist parties are in parliament chap?
Yes...we are talking about when he was speaking to one side only during the troubles. May I remind you that the Good Friday Agreement is 20 years old. Before that during the troubles, he refused to engage with either unionist party, but flirted quite openly with those fringe nationalist parties who refused to condemn all violence.
Jump ahead to his flirtations with middle eastern groups. Whether you support one side or another, the fact that he consistently refuses to engage with the Israeli powers tells us that his motives are not to bring about an equitable peace for both sides.
The point is that a peace broker needs to engage with both sides during the troubles. To engage with one side only is effectively empowering thay faction.
you are talking utter bollocks now. you imply that there are only two unionist parties in parliament and if that's what you think then it is utterly pointless disuccing anything with you until you get your facts straight
Not at all.....what i am saying is that if you put yourself out as a peace broker, then you should be talking with both sides.
During troubles, Jeremy Corbyn has consistently only talked with one side ..... which indicates he was not a peace broker, simply supporting the group that suits his personal political manifesto. If he was honest and said that this was his approach, then whether we agree or disagree with his viewpoint, he may engender a little more respect.
Unfortunately his association with one side and not another not only tarnishes him but does not exactly assist with removing this government.
Subsequently, should the Tories win the next election as a result, he will be guilty of a serious political crime.
Utter drivel and ignorance .
"Why? | |||
"the bloke speaks to unionists every day that he is in parliament and has done for decades Who and when? unionists .... everyday he is in parliament
Who specifically and when?
Or is this just another urban myth?
the unionists he sits opposite ... every day he is in parliament
Nope...he doesn't speak with them.
In fact, have you not heard the phrase "While they refuse to accept the concept of a united Ireland, we cannot speak to them".....Caucasus meeting 25/5/85.
....and that was the position for so long with the Ulster Unionists who were arguably the more moderate of the two Unionist parties.
Now will you actually give a fact or perhaps just outline another urban myth please?
how many unionist parties are in parliament chap?
Yes...we are talking about when he was speaking to one side only during the troubles. May I remind you that the Good Friday Agreement is 20 years old. Before that during the troubles, he refused to engage with either unionist party, but flirted quite openly with those fringe nationalist parties who refused to condemn all violence.
Jump ahead to his flirtations with middle eastern groups. Whether you support one side or another, the fact that he consistently refuses to engage with the Israeli powers tells us that his motives are not to bring about an equitable peace for both sides.
The point is that a peace broker needs to engage with both sides during the troubles. To engage with one side only is effectively empowering thay faction.
you are talking utter bollocks now. you imply that there are only two unionist parties in parliament and if that's what you think then it is utterly pointless disuccing anything with you until you get your facts straight
Not at all.....what i am saying is that if you put yourself out as a peace broker, then you should be talking with both sides.
During troubles, Jeremy Corbyn has consistently only talked with one side ..... which indicates he was not a peace broker, simply supporting the group that suits his personal political manifesto. If he was honest and said that this was his approach, then whether we agree or disagree with his viewpoint, he may engender a little more respect.
Unfortunately his association with one side and not another not only tarnishes him but does not exactly assist with removing this government.
Subsequently, should the Tories win the next election as a result, he will be guilty of a serious political crime.
Utter drivel and ignorance .
Why?"I can't think of any other politician who has been consistently on the right side of history and against violence and war Name one of your conservatives who have done as much to stop violence and war over the last 40 years.. | |||
"the bloke speaks to unionists every day that he is in parliament and has done for decades Who and when? unionists .... everyday he is in parliament
Who specifically and when?
Or is this just another urban myth?
the unionists he sits opposite ... every day he is in parliament
Nope...he doesn't speak with them.
In fact, have you not heard the phrase "While they refuse to accept the concept of a united Ireland, we cannot speak to them".....Caucasus meeting 25/5/85.
....and that was the position for so long with the Ulster Unionists who were arguably the more moderate of the two Unionist parties.
Now will you actually give a fact or perhaps just outline another urban myth please?
how many unionist parties are in parliament chap?
Yes...we are talking about when he was speaking to one side only during the troubles. May I remind you that the Good Friday Agreement is 20 years old. Before that during the troubles, he refused to engage with either unionist party, but flirted quite openly with those fringe nationalist parties who refused to condemn all violence.
Jump ahead to his flirtations with middle eastern groups. Whether you support one side or another, the fact that he consistently refuses to engage with the Israeli powers tells us that his motives are not to bring about an equitable peace for both sides.
The point is that a peace broker needs to engage with both sides during the troubles. To engage with one side only is effectively empowering thay faction.
you are talking utter bollocks now. you imply that there are only two unionist parties in parliament and if that's what you think then it is utterly pointless disuccing anything with you until you get your facts straight
Not at all.....what i am saying is that if you put yourself out as a peace broker, then you should be talking with both sides.
During troubles, Jeremy Corbyn has consistently only talked with one side ..... which indicates he was not a peace broker, simply supporting the group that suits his personal political manifesto. If he was honest and said that this was his approach, then whether we agree or disagree with his viewpoint, he may engender a little more respect.
Unfortunately his association with one side and not another not only tarnishes him but does not exactly assist with removing this government.
Subsequently, should the Tories win the next election as a result, he will be guilty of a serious political crime.
Utter drivel and ignorance .
Why?
I can't think of any other politician who has been consistently on the right side of history and against violence and war
Name one of your conservatives who have done as much to stop violence and war over the last 40 years.."I see you are resorting to calling me a conservative. I have never voted conservative in my life. I have voted labour until 2017. I and others like me am the reason why a Corbyn led party will not win....we cannot support him which is a tragedy for Britain. | |||
"the bloke speaks to unionists every day that he is in parliament and has done for decades Who and when? unionists .... everyday he is in parliament
Who specifically and when?
Or is this just another urban myth?
the unionists he sits opposite ... every day he is in parliament
Nope...he doesn't speak with them.
In fact, have you not heard the phrase "While they refuse to accept the concept of a united Ireland, we cannot speak to them".....Caucasus meeting 25/5/85.
....and that was the position for so long with the Ulster Unionists who were arguably the more moderate of the two Unionist parties.
Now will you actually give a fact or perhaps just outline another urban myth please?
how many unionist parties are in parliament chap?
Yes...we are talking about when he was speaking to one side only during the troubles. May I remind you that the Good Friday Agreement is 20 years old. Before that during the troubles, he refused to engage with either unionist party, but flirted quite openly with those fringe nationalist parties who refused to condemn all violence.
Jump ahead to his flirtations with middle eastern groups. Whether you support one side or another, the fact that he consistently refuses to engage with the Israeli powers tells us that his motives are not to bring about an equitable peace for both sides.
The point is that a peace broker needs to engage with both sides during the troubles. To engage with one side only is effectively empowering thay faction.
you are talking utter bollocks now. you imply that there are only two unionist parties in parliament and if that's what you think then it is utterly pointless disuccing anything with you until you get your facts straight
Not at all.....what i am saying is that if you put yourself out as a peace broker, then you should be talking with both sides.
During troubles, Jeremy Corbyn has consistently only talked with one side ..... which indicates he was not a peace broker, simply supporting the group that suits his personal political manifesto. If he was honest and said that this was his approach, then whether we agree or disagree with his viewpoint, he may engender a little more respect.
Unfortunately his association with one side and not another not only tarnishes him but does not exactly assist with removing this government.
Subsequently, should the Tories win the next election as a result, he will be guilty of a serious political crime.
Utter drivel and ignorance .
Why?
I can't think of any other politician who has been consistently on the right side of history and against violence and war
Name one of your conservatives who have done as much to stop violence and war over the last 40 years.."but he is to old bob you like me think there should be an upper age limit and he’s way past that mate | |||
"the bloke speaks to unionists every day that he is in parliament and has done for decades Who and when? unionists .... everyday he is in parliament
Who specifically and when?
Or is this just another urban myth?
the unionists he sits opposite ... every day he is in parliament
Nope...he doesn't speak with them.
In fact, have you not heard the phrase "While they refuse to accept the concept of a united Ireland, we cannot speak to them".....Caucasus meeting 25/5/85.
....and that was the position for so long with the Ulster Unionists who were arguably the more moderate of the two Unionist parties.
Now will you actually give a fact or perhaps just outline another urban myth please?
how many unionist parties are in parliament chap?
Yes...we are talking about when he was speaking to one side only during the troubles. May I remind you that the Good Friday Agreement is 20 years old. Before that during the troubles, he refused to engage with either unionist party, but flirted quite openly with those fringe nationalist parties who refused to condemn all violence.
Jump ahead to his flirtations with middle eastern groups. Whether you support one side or another, the fact that he consistently refuses to engage with the Israeli powers tells us that his motives are not to bring about an equitable peace for both sides.
The point is that a peace broker needs to engage with both sides during the troubles. To engage with one side only is effectively empowering thay faction.
you are talking utter bollocks now. you imply that there are only two unionist parties in parliament and if that's what you think then it is utterly pointless disuccing anything with you until you get your facts straight
Not at all.....what i am saying is that if you put yourself out as a peace broker, then you should be talking with both sides.
During troubles, Jeremy Corbyn has consistently only talked with one side ..... which indicates he was not a peace broker, simply supporting the group that suits his personal political manifesto. If he was honest and said that this was his approach, then whether we agree or disagree with his viewpoint, he may engender a little more respect.
Unfortunately his association with one side and not another not only tarnishes him but does not exactly assist with removing this government.
Subsequently, should the Tories win the next election as a result, he will be guilty of a serious political crime.
Utter drivel and ignorance .
Why?
I can't think of any other politician who has been consistently on the right side of history and against violence and war
Name one of your conservatives who have done as much to stop violence and war over the last 40 years..
I see you are resorting to calling me a conservative. I have never voted conservative in my life. I have voted labour until 2017. I and others like me am the reason why a Corbyn led party will not win....we cannot support him which is a tragedy for Britain.
"Ps Wasn't it the Major Government that engaged with the Nationalist side to bring an end to violence in Ulster? | |||
" I and others like me am the reason why a Corbyn led party will not win....we cannot support him which is a tragedy for Britain. " A tragedy is a catastrophe, often resulting in a large number of deaths. Having difficulty with where to put your X on a ballot paper is a personal dilemma. | |||
"the bloke speaks to unionists every day that he is in parliament and has done for decades Who and when? unionists .... everyday he is in parliament
Who specifically and when?
Or is this just another urban myth?
the unionists he sits opposite ... every day he is in parliament
Nope...he doesn't speak with them.
In fact, have you not heard the phrase "While they refuse to accept the concept of a united Ireland, we cannot speak to them".....Caucasus meeting 25/5/85.
....and that was the position for so long with the Ulster Unionists who were arguably the more moderate of the two Unionist parties.
Now will you actually give a fact or perhaps just outline another urban myth please?
how many unionist parties are in parliament chap?
Yes...we are talking about when he was speaking to one side only during the troubles. May I remind you that the Good Friday Agreement is 20 years old. Before that during the troubles, he refused to engage with either unionist party, but flirted quite openly with those fringe nationalist parties who refused to condemn all violence.
Jump ahead to his flirtations with middle eastern groups. Whether you support one side or another, the fact that he consistently refuses to engage with the Israeli powers tells us that his motives are not to bring about an equitable peace for both sides.
The point is that a peace broker needs to engage with both sides during the troubles. To engage with one side only is effectively empowering thay faction.
you are talking utter bollocks now. you imply that there are only two unionist parties in parliament and if that's what you think then it is utterly pointless disuccing anything with you until you get your facts straight
Not at all.....what i am saying is that if you put yourself out as a peace broker, then you should be talking with both sides.
During troubles, Jeremy Corbyn has consistently only talked with one side ..... which indicates he was not a peace broker, simply supporting the group that suits his personal political manifesto. If he was honest and said that this was his approach, then whether we agree or disagree with his viewpoint, he may engender a little more respect.
Unfortunately his association with one side and not another not only tarnishes him but does not exactly assist with removing this government.
Subsequently, should the Tories win the next election as a result, he will be guilty of a serious political crime.
Utter drivel and ignorance .
Why?
I can't think of any other politician who has been consistently on the right side of history and against violence and war
Name one of your conservatives who have done as much to stop violence and war over the last 40 years.. but he is to old bob you like me think there should be an upper age limit and he’s way past that mate "Until that's a law then he's still in the game. How come he has the youth behind his ideas if he's an old and out of touch old geezer .500.000 new people joined since corbyn and most of them young people. The conservatives have the pensioners behind them.Not the youths. It's obvious that labour policies appeal to the younger voter and the cons appeal to the older... | |||
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"There is very little in life that frightens me... but the thought of a Labour Government with him, McDonnel and Abbot in it does make me worry.
Being kinder to the less well off, more respectful to the environment and less pandering to the wishes of big corporations worries you?
I’m not a labour supporter, but some of the fear and misinformation around Corbyn is astounding.
Seriously?
The guy is a joke, he didn't even want to be the leader of the Labour Party.
Team him up in government with McDonnel fucking up the economy, and Abbot putting her foot in it every time she opens her mouth, and the country will go downhill faster than an Olympic bobsleigh team!
First bit is a total untruth
The rest is unsupported opinion
"first bit is true, he actually was quoted as saying, when he entered the leadership election process "You better make sure I don't win". Unsupported opinion? Ask any economist about what will happen to the economy of the UK if McDonnal carries out even half of the plans to re-nationalise various bits that are currently in private hands. Just remember the note left on the Treasury desk by the outgoing staff of the last Labour government "All the money is gone"....and then factor in the chaos if this mob ever get their hands on the purse strings.  | |||
"Being on the “right” side isn’t the same as being part of creating peace. Helping the “wrong” side, who are often in an entrenched position, navigate a way out of this is the difficult part. While protests etc help shine spotlight on problems, and are often a necessary part of starting the ball rolling, they are not in themselves sufficient. " Without people getting the ball rolling there is nothing but the status quo on a endless loop. Still haven't seen anyone name a living conservative equivalent. | |||
"Being on the “right” side isn’t the same as being part of creating peace. Helping the “wrong” side, who are often in an entrenched position, navigate a way out of this is the difficult part. While protests etc help shine spotlight on problems, and are often a necessary part of starting the ball rolling, they are not in themselves sufficient. Without people getting the ball rolling there is nothing but the status quo on a endless loop. Still haven't seen anyone name a living conservative equivalent. " See above and discuss.... | |||
"Being on the “right” side isn’t the same as being part of creating peace. Helping the “wrong” side, who are often in an entrenched position, navigate a way out of this is the difficult part. While protests etc help shine spotlight on problems, and are often a necessary part of starting the ball rolling, they are not in themselves sufficient. Without people getting the ball rolling there is nothing but the status quo on a endless loop. Still haven't seen anyone name a living conservative equivalent. See above and discuss...." A name is all I ask .A simple request one would think. | |||
" I and others like me am the reason why a Corbyn led party will not win....we cannot support him which is a tragedy for Britain. A tragedy is a catastrophe, often resulting in a large number of deaths. Having difficulty with where to put your X on a ballot paper is a personal dilemma. " While we're talking about 'tragedy' wasn't it Jeremy Corbyn who called the death of Osama bin Laden a "tragedy". | |||
"I find it so hard to even listen to this, vile oxygen thief, anyone else find him intoralable? " I don't find him intoralable. I don't even really dislike him. I just think he's wrong. It's not a personal thing for me. | |||
"Well we’re going no where with this torture party only down the drain So I say give labour a chance We most certainly are next election Why would anyone in a stable mind continue to support this goverment bunch of tossers they are " I think it will need a bit more than 'how could it possibly be worse' to convince disolutioned Conservative voters to switch to Corbyn's Labour. | |||
" I and others like me am the reason why a Corbyn led party will not win....we cannot support him which is a tragedy for Britain. A tragedy is a catastrophe, often resulting in a large number of deaths. Having difficulty with where to put your X on a ballot paper is a personal dilemma. While we're talking about 'tragedy' wasn't it Jeremy Corbyn who called the death of Osama bin Laden a "tragedy". " I heard he cancelled Christmas | |||
"Being on the “right” side isn’t the same as being part of creating peace. Helping the “wrong” side, who are often in an entrenched position, navigate a way out of this is the difficult part. While protests etc help shine spotlight on problems, and are often a necessary part of starting the ball rolling, they are not in themselves sufficient. Without people getting the ball rolling there is nothing but the status quo on a endless loop. Still haven't seen anyone name a living conservative equivalent. See above and discuss.... A name is all I ask .A simple request one would think." De Klerk? Simple enough? Recognised that he had to deal with Mandela. Did so. South Africa may not be perfect or entirely peaceful but give credit to both of them for a relatively peaceful transition. | |||
"Be careful what you say abut JC. Got me a ban a few weeks ago. He has friends in Fab places LOL. Corbyn is a moron and if you think he's a moron exercise your right to free speech and call him a moron. "In deed. However it would probably be more convincing if you gave reasons why you think he's a moron; and even more convincing if actually attached him on his policies and why they are wrong. | |||
"Being on the “right” side isn’t the same as being part of creating peace. Helping the “wrong” side, who are often in an entrenched position, navigate a way out of this is the difficult part. While protests etc help shine spotlight on problems, and are often a necessary part of starting the ball rolling, they are not in themselves sufficient. Without people getting the ball rolling there is nothing but the status quo on a endless loop. Still haven't seen anyone name a living conservative equivalent. See above and discuss.... A name is all I ask .A simple request one would think." Lord Carrington in Zimbabwe....another relatively peaceful transition only corrupted by the resulting albeit elected regime. How many do you want? | |||
"I find it so hard to even listen to this, vile oxygen thief, anyone else find him intoralable? " Yes me | |||
"I find it so hard to even listen to this, vile oxygen thief, anyone else find him intoralable? Yes me "Would you spit on him too? | |||
"I find it so hard to even listen to this, vile oxygen thief, anyone else find him intoralable? Yes me
Would you spit on him too?"Be careful....the other option to spitting is swallowing. Just saying. | |||
"Being on the “right” side isn’t the same as being part of creating peace. Helping the “wrong” side, who are often in an entrenched position, navigate a way out of this is the difficult part. While protests etc help shine spotlight on problems, and are often a necessary part of starting the ball rolling, they are not in themselves sufficient. Without people getting the ball rolling there is nothing but the status quo on a endless loop. Still haven't seen anyone name a living conservative equivalent. See above and discuss.... A name is all I ask .A simple request one would think. Lord Carrington in Zimbabwe....another relatively peaceful transition only corrupted by the resulting albeit elected regime. How many do you want?" Really .. Zimbabwe | |||
"Being on the “right” side isn’t the same as being part of creating peace. Helping the “wrong” side, who are often in an entrenched position, navigate a way out of this is the difficult part. While protests etc help shine spotlight on problems, and are often a necessary part of starting the ball rolling, they are not in themselves sufficient. Without people getting the ball rolling there is nothing but the status quo on a endless loop. Still haven't seen anyone name a living conservative equivalent. See above and discuss.... A name is all I ask .A simple request one would think. Lord Carrington in Zimbabwe....another relatively peaceful transition only corrupted by the resulting albeit elected regime. How many do you want? Really .. Zimbabwe "Did the resulting problematic regime result from the will of the electorate or the machinations of the Tories? I am not sure that the relatively peaceful transition could have been achieved without speaking to and obtaining the trust of both sides. The fact that the resulting elected government forcibly took land and failed to protect the economy was the price. The alternative would have been to allow a bloody and violent civil war to continue......unless you would advocate armed revolution over transition by consent? | |||
"Being on the “right” side isn’t the same as being part of creating peace. Helping the “wrong” side, who are often in an entrenched position, navigate a way out of this is the difficult part. While protests etc help shine spotlight on problems, and are often a necessary part of starting the ball rolling, they are not in themselves sufficient. Without people getting the ball rolling there is nothing but the status quo on a endless loop. Still haven't seen anyone name a living conservative equivalent. See above and discuss.... A name is all I ask .A simple request one would think. Lord Carrington in Zimbabwe....another relatively peaceful transition only corrupted by the resulting albeit elected regime. How many do you want? Really .. Zimbabwe
Did the resulting problematic regime result from the will of the electorate or the machinations of the Tories?
I am not sure that the relatively peaceful transition could have been achieved without speaking to and obtaining the trust of both sides. The fact that the resulting elected government forcibly took land and failed to protect the economy was the price.
The alternative would have been to allow a bloody and violent civil war to continue......unless you would advocate armed revolution over transition by consent?"Dude it's you who has offered him in comparison to corbyn . Truth is..there is no one on the right who has a pedigree of picking the right side of history.and as for you offering up FW de Klerk .Are you sure you're a lefty.Centre righty sounds more appropriate. | |||
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"Being on the “right” side isn’t the same as being part of creating peace. Helping the “wrong” side, who are often in an entrenched position, navigate a way out of this is the difficult part. While protests etc help shine spotlight on problems, and are often a necessary part of starting the ball rolling, they are not in themselves sufficient. Without people getting the ball rolling there is nothing but the status quo on a endless loop. Still haven't seen anyone name a living conservative equivalent. See above and discuss.... A name is all I ask .A simple request one would think. Lord Carrington in Zimbabwe....another relatively peaceful transition only corrupted by the resulting albeit elected regime. How many do you want? Really .. Zimbabwe
Did the resulting problematic regime result from the will of the electorate or the machinations of the Tories?
I am not sure that the relatively peaceful transition could have been achieved without speaking to and obtaining the trust of both sides. The fact that the resulting elected government forcibly took land and failed to protect the economy was the price.
The alternative would have been to allow a bloody and violent civil war to continue......unless you would advocate armed revolution over transition by consent?
Dude it's you who has offered him in comparison to corbyn .
Truth is..there is no one on the right who has a pedigree of picking the right side of history.and as for you offering up FW de Klerk .Are you sure you're a lefty.Centre righty sounds more appropriate."Examples were asked for....while they were conservative....or ultra conservative, the resulting transition in each case was peaceful. Asking if i am centre right is what I was expecting....deflection from the debate.....a usual tactic of the under achieving left. Underachieving because Labour should have won in 2017 and failed to do so. The blame is on those that fail to recognise that while left wing policies may be desired to sort out some of our problems, the delivery needs to be by a clean skin and not by a tainted and unelectable candidate. Emily Thornberry for her sins would be able to deliver a credible and untainted leadership with the same policies. | |||
"Being on the “right” side isn’t the same as being part of creating peace. Helping the “wrong” side, who are often in an entrenched position, navigate a way out of this is the difficult part. While protests etc help shine spotlight on problems, and are often a necessary part of starting the ball rolling, they are not in themselves sufficient. Without people getting the ball rolling there is nothing but the status quo on a endless loop. Still haven't seen anyone name a living conservative equivalent. See above and discuss.... A name is all I ask .A simple request one would think. Lord Carrington in Zimbabwe....another relatively peaceful transition only corrupted by the resulting albeit elected regime. How many do you want? Really .. Zimbabwe
Did the resulting problematic regime result from the will of the electorate or the machinations of the Tories?
I am not sure that the relatively peaceful transition could have been achieved without speaking to and obtaining the trust of both sides. The fact that the resulting elected government forcibly took land and failed to protect the economy was the price.
The alternative would have been to allow a bloody and violent civil war to continue......unless you would advocate armed revolution over transition by consent?
Dude it's you who has offered him in comparison to corbyn .
Truth is..there is no one on the right who has a pedigree of picking the right side of history.and as for you offering up FW de Klerk .Are you sure you're a lefty.Centre righty sounds more appropriate.
Examples were asked for....while they were conservative....or ultra conservative, the resulting transition in each case was peaceful.
Asking if i am centre right is what I was expecting....deflection from the debate.....a usual tactic of the under achieving left.
Underachieving because Labour should have won in 2017 and failed to do so. The blame is on those that fail to recognise that while left wing policies may be desired to sort out some of our problems, the delivery needs to be by a clean skin and not by a tainted and unelectable candidate.
Emily Thornberry for her sins would be able to deliver a credible and untainted leadership with the same policies."Dude again you spend far to much time slagging off the left to be left. You gave two examples from Africa .WTF is that about , Neither politicians with influence here. You were asked a simple question.A living conservative mp to compare against corbyn..With regard to being anti war and involved in peace. Do you wish to have another go? | |||
"Being on the “right” side isn’t the same as being part of creating peace. Helping the “wrong” side, who are often in an entrenched position, navigate a way out of this is the difficult part. While protests etc help shine spotlight on problems, and are often a necessary part of starting the ball rolling, they are not in themselves sufficient. Without people getting the ball rolling there is nothing but the status quo on a endless loop. Still haven't seen anyone name a living conservative equivalent. See above and discuss.... A name is all I ask .A simple request one would think. Lord Carrington in Zimbabwe....another relatively peaceful transition only corrupted by the resulting albeit elected regime. How many do you want? Really .. Zimbabwe
Did the resulting problematic regime result from the will of the electorate or the machinations of the Tories?
I am not sure that the relatively peaceful transition could have been achieved without speaking to and obtaining the trust of both sides. The fact that the resulting elected government forcibly took land and failed to protect the economy was the price.
The alternative would have been to allow a bloody and violent civil war to continue......unless you would advocate armed revolution over transition by consent?
Dude it's you who has offered him in comparison to corbyn .
Truth is..there is no one on the right who has a pedigree of picking the right side of history.and as for you offering up FW de Klerk .Are you sure you're a lefty.Centre righty sounds more appropriate.
Examples were asked for....while they were conservative....or ultra conservative, the resulting transition in each case was peaceful.
Asking if i am centre right is what I was expecting....deflection from the debate.....a usual tactic of the under achieving left.
Underachieving because Labour should have won in 2017 and failed to do so. The blame is on those that fail to recognise that while left wing policies may be desired to sort out some of our problems, the delivery needs to be by a clean skin and not by a tainted and unelectable candidate.
Emily Thornberry for her sins would be able to deliver a credible and untainted leadership with the same policies.
Dude again you spend far to much time slagging off the left to be left.
You gave two examples from Africa .WTF is that about ,
Neither politicians with influence here.
You were asked a simple question.A living conservative mp to compare against corbyn..With regard to being anti war and involved in peace.
Do you wish to have another go? "So please,tell me why I should change my mind about him? Curious and this is a debate. | |||
"Being on the “right” side isn’t the same as being part of creating peace. Helping the “wrong” side, who are often in an entrenched position, navigate a way out of this is the difficult part. While protests etc help shine spotlight on problems, and are often a necessary part of starting the ball rolling, they are not in themselves sufficient. Without people getting the ball rolling there is nothing but the status quo on a endless loop. Still haven't seen anyone name a living conservative equivalent. See above and discuss.... A name is all I ask .A simple request one would think. Lord Carrington in Zimbabwe....another relatively peaceful transition only corrupted by the resulting albeit elected regime. How many do you want? Really .. Zimbabwe
Did the resulting problematic regime result from the will of the electorate or the machinations of the Tories?
I am not sure that the relatively peaceful transition could have been achieved without speaking to and obtaining the trust of both sides. The fact that the resulting elected government forcibly took land and failed to protect the economy was the price.
The alternative would have been to allow a bloody and violent civil war to continue......unless you would advocate armed revolution over transition by consent?
Dude it's you who has offered him in comparison to corbyn .
Truth is..there is no one on the right who has a pedigree of picking the right side of history.and as for you offering up FW de Klerk .Are you sure you're a lefty.Centre righty sounds more appropriate.
Examples were asked for....while they were conservative....or ultra conservative, the resulting transition in each case was peaceful.
Asking if i am centre right is what I was expecting....deflection from the debate.....a usual tactic of the under achieving left.
Underachieving because Labour should have won in 2017 and failed to do so. The blame is on those that fail to recognise that while left wing policies may be desired to sort out some of our problems, the delivery needs to be by a clean skin and not by a tainted and unelectable candidate.
Emily Thornberry for her sins would be able to deliver a credible and untainted leadership with the same policies.
Dude again you spend far to much time slagging off the left to be left.
You gave two examples from Africa .WTF is that about ,
Neither politicians with influence here.
You were asked a simple question.A living conservative mp to compare against corbyn..With regard to being anti war and involved in peace.
Do you wish to have another go? "The original point was a cinservative within the last 40 years dude....... Another selective memory the original request was "Name one of your conservatives who have done as much to stop violence and war over the last 40 years.." | |||
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"Well I do believe he likes to rub shoulders with the leadership of Hamas " That sounds pretty bad I must admit. Can you expand on that at all? | |||
"Firstly apologies for not checking, Auto correct (school boy error) I served 2 tours in NI And to see a member of a political party going to A terrorists Funeral,infuriates me, further more he refuses to. Wear a poppy, is plainly anti semitic, And I cannot find any way of voting Labour while he is the leader, not the kind of example, I would wish for, I have voted Labour, and am no Fan of Mrs may but, would rather not vote then vote for this pond life. " I could have sworn I saw Corbyn wearing a poppy at the Cenotaph last November.. #justsaying | |||
"Firstly apologies for not checking, Auto correct (school boy error) I served 2 tours in NI And to see a member of a political party going to A terrorists Funeral,infuriates me, further more he refuses to. Wear a poppy, is plainly anti semitic, And I cannot find any way of voting Labour while he is the leader, not the kind of example, I would wish for, I have voted Labour, and am no Fan of Mrs may but, would rather not vote then vote for this pond life. " Which terrorist funeral did he go to? Give me an example where he is anti semetic | |||
" I and others like me am the reason why a Corbyn led party will not win....we cannot support him which is a tragedy for Britain. A tragedy is a catastrophe, often resulting in a large number of deaths. Having difficulty with where to put your X on a ballot paper is a personal dilemma. While we're talking about 'tragedy' wasn't it Jeremy Corbyn who called the death of Osama bin Laden a "tragedy". " You are quoting out of context and you know it | |||
"It's not about war, peace, your missing a point, I feel my Opinion only, he is not going to be able to defeat the Conservatives, he is the most unpopular Labour leader in decades, even Blair was. more Popular He alienates,rather the reunites " Unpopular with the press barons and the Establishment who have used everything they can to smear and villify Corbyn. Popular with LP members who have joined in their thousands since Corbyn to make Labour the largest political party in Europe | |||
"It's not about war, peace, your missing a point, I feel my Opinion only, he is not going to be able to defeat the Conservatives, he is the most unpopular Labour leader in decades, even Blair was. more Popular He alienates,rather the reunites Unpopular with the press barons and the Establishment who have used everything they can to smear and villify Corbyn. Popular with LP members who have joined in their thousands since Corbyn to make Labour the largest political party in Europe " It’s not the hard core members he needs to convince. It’s the soft labour voters, which i probably fall into. | |||
"It's not about war, peace, your missing a point, I feel my Opinion only, he is not going to be able to defeat the Conservatives, he is the most unpopular Labour leader in decades, even Blair was. more Popular He alienates,rather the reunites Unpopular with the press barons and the Establishment who have used everything they can to smear and villify Corbyn. Popular with LP members who have joined in their thousands since Corbyn to make Labour the largest political party in Europe " Facts facts and more facts are irrelevant when you have hate in your heart towards the left and corbyn. Those who say he's unelectable are obviously ignoring he got 40% of the national vote last time .I guess the plastic lefties dismiss 40% as idiotic young people voting for him .I suggest they vote Tory next time or libdem if they want centre right policies. | |||
"It's not about war, peace, your missing a point, I feel my Opinion only, he is not going to be able to defeat the Conservatives, he is the most unpopular Labour leader in decades, even Blair was. more Popular He alienates,rather the reunites Unpopular with the press barons and the Establishment who have used everything they can to smear and villify Corbyn. Popular with LP members who have joined in their thousands since Corbyn to make Labour the largest political party in Europe It’s not the hard core members he needs to convince. It’s the soft labour voters, which i probably fall into. " I have said this for a long time. No need convincing the converts, it's the undecided and centre left voters he needs to win an election. | |||
"It's not about war, peace, your missing a point, I feel my Opinion only, he is not going to be able to defeat the Conservatives, he is the most unpopular Labour leader in decades, even Blair was. more Popular He alienates,rather the reunites Unpopular with the press barons and the Establishment who have used everything they can to smear and villify Corbyn. Popular with LP members who have joined in their thousands since Corbyn to make Labour the largest political party in Europe It’s not the hard core members he needs to convince. It’s the soft labour voters, which i probably fall into. I have said this for a long time. No need convincing the converts, it's the undecided and centre left voters he needs to win an election." Who will the centre left vote for if not corbyn..The liberals have disappeared and won't be elected this century .The Tories are now kippers . So there is no middle.If your a lefty and don't vote corbyn your as good as voting conservative. Your choice is binary. | |||
"Firstly apologies for not checking, Auto correct (school boy error) I served 2 tours in NI And to see a member of a political party going to A terrorists Funeral,infuriates me, further more he refuses to. Wear a poppy, is plainly anti semitic, And I cannot find any way of voting Labour while he is the leader, not the kind of example, I would wish for, I have voted Labour, and am no Fan of Mrs may but, would rather not vote then vote for this pond life. Which terrorist funeral did he go to? Give me an example where he is anti semetic " Bobby sands funeral Fact? And the hamas flags at his party Conference,are you so deluded | |||
"It's not about war, peace, your missing a point, I feel my Opinion only, he is not going to be able to defeat the Conservatives, he is the most unpopular Labour leader in decades, even Blair was. more Popular He alienates,rather the reunites Unpopular with the press barons and the Establishment who have used everything they can to smear and villify Corbyn. Popular with LP members who have joined in their thousands since Corbyn to make Labour the largest political party in Europe It’s not the hard core members he needs to convince. It’s the soft labour voters, which i probably fall into. I have said this for a long time. No need convincing the converts, it's the undecided and centre left voters he needs to win an election. Who will the centre left vote for if not corbyn..The liberals have disappeared and won't be elected this century .The Tories are now kippers . So there is no middle.If your a lefty and don't vote corbyn your as good as voting conservative. Your choice is binary. " Binary is what British politics is now. Conservative or Labour. Leave or Remain. Plenty of scope for focused individuals or small parties to come along and gain vote share. | |||
"Firstly apologies for not checking, Auto correct (school boy error) I served 2 tours in NI And to see a member of a political party going to A terrorists Funeral,infuriates me, further more he refuses to. Wear a poppy, is plainly anti semitic, And I cannot find any way of voting Labour while he is the leader, not the kind of example, I would wish for, I have voted Labour, and am no Fan of Mrs may but, would rather not vote then vote for this pond life. Which terrorist funeral did he go to? Give me an example where he is anti semetic Bobby sands funeral Fact? And the hamas flags at his party Conference,are you so deluded " Ha ha another one who believes right wing propaganda.Corbyn was not at bobby sands funeral.Its Fake news for the gullible. Go check your facts before posting otherwise you'll look a tool.. | |||
"It's not about war, peace, your missing a point, I feel my Opinion only, he is not going to be able to defeat the Conservatives, he is the most unpopular Labour leader in decades, even Blair was. more Popular He alienates,rather the reunites Unpopular with the press barons and the Establishment who have used everything they can to smear and villify Corbyn. Popular with LP members who have joined in their thousands since Corbyn to make Labour the largest political party in Europe It’s not the hard core members he needs to convince. It’s the soft labour voters, which i probably fall into. I have said this for a long time. No need convincing the converts, it's the undecided and centre left voters he needs to win an election. Who will the centre left vote for if not corbyn..The liberals have disappeared and won't be elected this century .The Tories are now kippers . So there is no middle.If your a lefty and don't vote corbyn your as good as voting conservative. Your choice is binary. Binary is what British politics is now. Conservative or Labour. Leave or Remain. Plenty of scope for focused individuals or small parties to come along and gain vote share." Really which small Party is ascending? . I voted green for 20 years(never again)they managed 1 MP the kippers only managed 1 When he switched from Tory. There is only 2 choices Your either with the conservatives or your against them. | |||
"Firstly apologies for not checking, Auto correct (school boy error) I served 2 tours in NI And to see a member of a political party going to A terrorists Funeral,infuriates me, further more he refuses to. Wear a poppy, is plainly anti semitic, And I cannot find any way of voting Labour while he is the leader, not the kind of example, I would wish for, I have voted Labour, and am no Fan of Mrs may but, would rather not vote then vote for this pond life. Which terrorist funeral did he go to? Give me an example where he is anti semetic Bobby sands funeral Fact? And the hamas flags at his party Conference,are you so deluded Ha ha another one who believes right wing propaganda.Corbyn was not at bobby sands funeral.Its Fake news for the gullible. Go check your facts before posting otherwise you'll look a tool.. "So your telling me he didn't support ira rallys he didnt lay a wreath at a hamas tomb He didn't condemn hamas flags at the Labour Party conference Your so deluded, and probably a little sad, boy fresh from Uni | |||
"It's not about war, peace, your missing a point, I feel my Opinion only, he is not going to be able to defeat the Conservatives, he is the most unpopular Labour leader in decades, even Blair was. more Popular He alienates,rather the reunites Unpopular with the press barons and the Establishment who have used everything they can to smear and villify Corbyn. Popular with LP members who have joined in their thousands since Corbyn to make Labour the largest political party in Europe It’s not the hard core members he needs to convince. It’s the soft labour voters, which i probably fall into. I have said this for a long time. No need convincing the converts, it's the undecided and centre left voters he needs to win an election. Who will the centre left vote for if not corbyn..The liberals have disappeared and won't be elected this century .The Tories are now kippers . So there is no middle.If your a lefty and don't vote corbyn your as good as voting conservative. Your choice is binary. Binary is what British politics is now. Conservative or Labour. Leave or Remain. Plenty of scope for focused individuals or small parties to come along and gain vote share. Really which small Party is ascending? . I voted green for 20 years(never again)they managed 1 MP the kippers only managed 1 When he switched from Tory. There is only 2 choices Your either with the conservatives or your against them. " The Independents focused on local issues could rise again. The centre ground is there for the taking. | |||
"Firstly apologies for not checking, Auto correct (school boy error) I served 2 tours in NI And to see a member of a political party going to A terrorists Funeral,infuriates me, further more he refuses to. Wear a poppy, is plainly anti semitic, And I cannot find any way of voting Labour while he is the leader, not the kind of example, I would wish for, I have voted Labour, and am no Fan of Mrs may but, would rather not vote then vote for this pond life. Which terrorist funeral did he go to? Give me an example where he is anti semetic Bobby sands funeral Fact? And the hamas flags at his party Conference,are you so deluded Ha ha another one who believes right wing propaganda.Corbyn was not at bobby sands funeral.Its Fake news for the gullible. Go check your facts before posting otherwise you'll look a tool..
So your telling me he didn't support ira rallys he didnt lay a wreath at a hamas tomb
He didn't condemn hamas flags at the Labour Party conference
Your so deluded, and probably a little sad, boy fresh from Uni"I'm telling you he was not at bobby sands funeral are you still saying he is?? You can read what you wrote right?? | |||
"It's not about war, peace, your missing a point, I feel my Opinion only, he is not going to be able to defeat the Conservatives, he is the most unpopular Labour leader in decades, even Blair was. more Popular He alienates,rather the reunites Unpopular with the press barons and the Establishment who have used everything they can to smear and villify Corbyn. Popular with LP members who have joined in their thousands since Corbyn to make Labour the largest political party in Europe It’s not the hard core members he needs to convince. It’s the soft labour voters, which i probably fall into. I have said this for a long time. No need convincing the converts, it's the undecided and centre left voters he needs to win an election. Who will the centre left vote for if not corbyn..The liberals have disappeared and won't be elected this century .The Tories are now kippers . So there is no middle.If your a lefty and don't vote corbyn your as good as voting conservative. Your choice is binary. Binary is what British politics is now. Conservative or Labour. Leave or Remain. Plenty of scope for focused individuals or small parties to come along and gain vote share. Really which small Party is ascending? . I voted green for 20 years(never again)they managed 1 MP the kippers only managed 1 When he switched from Tory. There is only 2 choices Your either with the conservatives or your against them. The Independents focused on local issues could rise again. The centre ground is there for the taking." I don't doubt that ,it's just that you can't vote for the invisible man/woman.At the next election your choice is binary..It will be for Sometime.Nobody wants the middle because the middle is lib dems and they are toxic.People want change and the centre is more of the same. | |||
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"Firstly apologies for not checking, Auto correct (school boy error) I served 2 tours in NI And to see a member of a political party going to A terrorists Funeral,infuriates me, further more he refuses to. Wear a poppy, is plainly anti semitic, And I cannot find any way of voting Labour while he is the leader, not the kind of example, I would wish for, I have voted Labour, and am no Fan of Mrs may but, would rather not vote then vote for this pond life. Which terrorist funeral did he go to? Give me an example where he is anti semetic Bobby sands funeral Fact? And the hamas flags at his party Conference,are you so deluded " The man photographed at Bobby Sand's funeral is Owen Carron, his parliamentary agent and the man that succeeded him as an MP. He does share an uncanny resemblance to JC though. | |||
"Firstly apologies for not checking, Auto correct (school boy error) I served 2 tours in NI And to see a member of a political party going to A terrorists Funeral,infuriates me, further more he refuses to. Wear a poppy, is plainly anti semitic, And I cannot find any way of voting Labour while he is the leader, not the kind of example, I would wish for, I have voted Labour, and am no Fan of Mrs may but, would rather not vote then vote for this pond life. Which terrorist funeral did he go to? Give me an example where he is anti semetic Bobby sands funeral Fact? And the hamas flags at his party Conference,are you so deluded " Hammas flags? Do you mean Palastinian flags? | |||
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" I and others like me am the reason why a Corbyn led party will not win....we cannot support him which is a tragedy for Britain. A tragedy is a catastrophe, often resulting in a large number of deaths. Having difficulty with where to put your X on a ballot paper is a personal dilemma. While we're talking about 'tragedy' wasn't it Jeremy Corbyn who called the death of Osama bin Laden a "tragedy". " A tragedy that he was not put on trial, I think he said. Spin works only when you have some substance to begin with. | |||
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"Firstly apologies for not checking, Auto correct (school boy error) I served 2 tours in NI And to see a member of a political party going to A terrorists Funeral,infuriates me, further more he refuses to. Wear a poppy, is plainly anti semitic, And I cannot find any way of voting Labour while he is the leader, not the kind of example, I would wish for, I have voted Labour, and am no Fan of Mrs may but, would rather not vote then vote for this pond life. " Not only that Corbyn also refused to sing the UK national anthem at an RAF veterans memorial service a couple of years ago. Corbyn's actions were Completely disrespectful to the memory of our armed service personnel who have paid the ultimate price for this country. | |||
"Well I do believe he likes to rub shoulders with the leadership of Hamas That sounds pretty bad I must admit. Can you expand on that at all?" He's shared a platform with Hamas speakers in the past (not only that the equally despicable Hezbollah too). Corbyn also called Hamas and Hezbollah his "friends". | |||
"Well I do believe he likes to rub shoulders with the leadership of Hamas That sounds pretty bad I must admit. Can you expand on that at all? He's shared a platform with Hamas speakers in the past (not only that the equally despicable Hezbollah too). Corbyn also called Hamas and Hezbollah his "friends". " And thatcher was very good friends with Pinochet who butchered thousands when in power.. | |||
"It's not about war, peace, your missing a point, I feel my Opinion only, he is not going to be able to defeat the Conservatives, he is the most unpopular Labour leader in decades, even Blair was. more Popular He alienates,rather the reunites Unpopular with the press barons and the Establishment who have used everything they can to smear and villify Corbyn. Popular with LP members who have joined in their thousands since Corbyn to make Labour the largest political party in Europe It’s not the hard core members he needs to convince. It’s the soft labour voters, which i probably fall into. I have said this for a long time. No need convincing the converts, it's the undecided and centre left voters he needs to win an election. Who will the centre left vote for if not corbyn..The liberals have disappeared and won't be elected this century .The Tories are now kippers . So there is no middle.If your a lefty and don't vote corbyn your as good as voting conservative. Your choice is binary. Binary is what British politics is now. Conservative or Labour. Leave or Remain. Plenty of scope for focused individuals or small parties to come along and gain vote share. Really which small Party is ascending? . I voted green for 20 years(never again)they managed 1 MP the kippers only managed 1 When he switched from Tory. There is only 2 choices Your either with the conservatives or your against them. " It's funny that you drone on about "facts, facts, facts" to others when you can't even get this right. Ukip had 2 MP's voted into the House of Commons, not one. | |||
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"Thatcher,s dead,corbyn isn,t " Yes hes alive but to the voters that matter ie the centrists he is unelectable | |||
"Thatcher,s dead,corbyn isn,t " So is Pinochet, Hitler, pol pot, stain etc.. We don't tend to just write out from history a person's deeds be they good or bad once they leave this mortal coil.. Interesting that you made that obvious comment, what point are you trying to make? | |||
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"Thatcher,s dead,corbyn isn,t Yes hes alive but to the voters that matter ie the centrists he is unelectable" I tend to agree however given there is no where for the liberals to go to make their views known and influence social change etc then who knows.. Look how people voted tactically at the last GE.. | |||
"Thatcher,s dead,corbyn isn,t " Corbyn looks half dead to be fair | |||
"It's not about war, peace, your missing a point, I feel my Opinion only, he is not going to be able to defeat the Conservatives, he is the most unpopular Labour leader in decades, even Blair was. more Popular He alienates,rather the reunites Unpopular with the press barons and the Establishment who have used everything they can to smear and villify Corbyn. Popular with LP members who have joined in their thousands since Corbyn to make Labour the largest political party in Europe It’s not the hard core members he needs to convince. It’s the soft labour voters, which i probably fall into. I have said this for a long time. No need convincing the converts, it's the undecided and centre left voters he needs to win an election. Who will the centre left vote for if not corbyn..The liberals have disappeared and won't be elected this century .The Tories are now kippers . So there is no middle.If your a lefty and don't vote corbyn your as good as voting conservative. Your choice is binary. Binary is what British politics is now. Conservative or Labour. Leave or Remain. Plenty of scope for focused individuals or small parties to come along and gain vote share. Really which small Party is ascending? . I voted green for 20 years(never again)they managed 1 MP the kippers only managed 1 When he switched from Tory. There is only 2 choices Your either with the conservatives or your against them. It's funny that you drone on about "facts, facts, facts" to others when you can't even get this right. Ukip had 2 MP's voted into the House of Commons, not one. " Not true at all. Only Douglas Cars well has been voted into the House Of Commons, and is still the only person to win at a GE for UKIP. The other two MPs (Spink and Reckless) have represented UKIP in the Commons by changing Party. | |||
"It's not about war, peace, your missing a point, I feel my Opinion only, he is not going to be able to defeat the Conservatives, he is the most unpopular Labour leader in decades, even Blair was. more Popular He alienates,rather the reunites Unpopular with the press barons and the Establishment who have used everything they can to smear and villify Corbyn. Popular with LP members who have joined in their thousands since Corbyn to make Labour the largest political party in Europe It’s not the hard core members he needs to convince. It’s the soft labour voters, which i probably fall into. I have said this for a long time. No need convincing the converts, it's the undecided and centre left voters he needs to win an election. Who will the centre left vote for if not corbyn..The liberals have disappeared and won't be elected this century .The Tories are now kippers . So there is no middle.If your a lefty and don't vote corbyn your as good as voting conservative. Your choice is binary. Binary is what British politics is now. Conservative or Labour. Leave or Remain. Plenty of scope for focused individuals or small parties to come along and gain vote share. Really which small Party is ascending? . I voted green for 20 years(never again)they managed 1 MP the kippers only managed 1 When he switched from Tory. There is only 2 choices Your either with the conservatives or your against them. It's funny that you drone on about "facts, facts, facts" to others when you can't even get this right. Ukip had 2 MP's voted into the House of Commons, not one. Not true at all. Only Douglas Cars well has been voted into the House Of Commons, and is still the only person to win at a GE for UKIP. The other two MPs (Spink and Reckless) have represented UKIP in the Commons by changing Party." You're wrong. Suggest you go and do some research on it. Mark Reckless was elected into Parliament for Ukip after a by-election in the constituency of Rochester and Strood. Like Carswell, Mark Reckless defected from the tories to ukip and then stood down as a Tory MP, immediately standing for re-election as a Ukip candidate. Remember Emily Thornberry looking down her nose at white van Man with an England flag on the front of his house, that happened during the by-election campaign which Mark Reckless won for Ukip. | |||
"It's not about war, peace, your missing a point, I feel my Opinion only, he is not going to be able to defeat the Conservatives, he is the most unpopular Labour leader in decades, even Blair was. more Popular He alienates,rather the reunites Unpopular with the press barons and the Establishment who have used everything they can to smear and villify Corbyn. Popular with LP members who have joined in their thousands since Corbyn to make Labour the largest political party in Europe It’s not the hard core members he needs to convince. It’s the soft labour voters, which i probably fall into. I have said this for a long time. No need convincing the converts, it's the undecided and centre left voters he needs to win an election. Who will the centre left vote for if not corbyn..The liberals have disappeared and won't be elected this century .The Tories are now kippers . So there is no middle.If your a lefty and don't vote corbyn your as good as voting conservative. Your choice is binary. Binary is what British politics is now. Conservative or Labour. Leave or Remain. Plenty of scope for focused individuals or small parties to come along and gain vote share. Really which small Party is ascending? . I voted green for 20 years(never again)they managed 1 MP the kippers only managed 1 When he switched from Tory. There is only 2 choices Your either with the conservatives or your against them. It's funny that you drone on about "facts, facts, facts" to others when you can't even get this right. Ukip had 2 MP's voted into the House of Commons, not one. Not true at all. Only Douglas Cars well has been voted into the House Of Commons, and is still the only person to win at a GE for UKIP. The other two MPs (Spink and Reckless) have represented UKIP in the Commons by changing Party. You're wrong. Suggest you go and do some research on it. Mark Reckless was elected into Parliament for Ukip after a by-election in the constituency of Rochester and Strood. Like Carswell, Mark Reckless defected from the tories to ukip and then stood down as a Tory MP, immediately standing for re-election as a Ukip candidate. Remember Emily Thornberry looking down her nose at white van Man with an England flag on the front of his house, that happened during the by-election campaign which Mark Reckless won for Ukip. " Ah yes, happy to cede that one to you. I was going on GEs, where UKIP have had little to no success. | |||
"Firstly apologies for not checking, Auto correct (school boy error) I served 2 tours in NI And to see a member of a political party going to A terrorists Funeral,infuriates me, further more he refuses to. Wear a poppy, is plainly anti semitic, And I cannot find any way of voting Labour while he is the leader, not the kind of example, I would wish for, I have voted Labour, and am no Fan of Mrs may but, would rather not vote then vote for this pond life. Not only that Corbyn also refused to sing the UK national anthem at an RAF veterans memorial service a couple of years ago. Corbyn's actions were Completely disrespectful to the memory of our armed service personnel who have paid the ultimate price for this country. " Not even that. He wore a poppy at the cenotaph last year, he didnt attend Bobby Sand's funeral......total tosh as usual from the rabid right | |||
"It's not about war, peace, your missing a point, I feel my Opinion only, he is not going to be able to defeat the Conservatives, he is the most unpopular Labour leader in decades, even Blair was. more Popular He alienates,rather the reunites Unpopular with the press barons and the Establishment who have used everything they can to smear and villify Corbyn. Popular with LP members who have joined in their thousands since Corbyn to make Labour the largest political party in Europe It’s not the hard core members he needs to convince. It’s the soft labour voters, which i probably fall into. I have said this for a long time. No need convincing the converts, it's the undecided and centre left voters he needs to win an election. Who will the centre left vote for if not corbyn..The liberals have disappeared and won't be elected this century .The Tories are now kippers . So there is no middle.If your a lefty and don't vote corbyn your as good as voting conservative. Your choice is binary. Binary is what British politics is now. Conservative or Labour. Leave or Remain. Plenty of scope for focused individuals or small parties to come along and gain vote share. Really which small Party is ascending? . I voted green for 20 years(never again)they managed 1 MP the kippers only managed 1 When he switched from Tory. There is only 2 choices Your either with the conservatives or your against them. It's funny that you drone on about "facts, facts, facts" to others when you can't even get this right. Ukip had 2 MP's voted into the House of Commons, not one. Not true at all. Only Douglas Cars well has been voted into the House Of Commons, and is still the only person to win at a GE for UKIP. The other two MPs (Spink and Reckless) have represented UKIP in the Commons by changing Party. You're wrong. Suggest you go and do some research on it. Mark Reckless was elected into Parliament for Ukip after a by-election in the constituency of Rochester and Strood. Like Carswell, Mark Reckless defected from the tories to ukip and then stood down as a Tory MP, immediately standing for re-election as a Ukip candidate. Remember Emily Thornberry looking down her nose at white van Man with an England flag on the front of his house, that happened during the by-election campaign which Mark Reckless won for Ukip. " Still a horrible nasty b*stard though. | |||
"Well I do believe he likes to rub shoulders with the leadership of Hamas That sounds pretty bad I must admit. Can you expand on that at all? He's shared a platform with Hamas speakers in the past (not only that the equally despicable Hezbollah too). Corbyn also called Hamas and Hezbollah his "friends". " Yes, so thought it might be that. Could you expand a bit more, perhaps by putting it in some sort of wider context. For example, when he referred to them as “friends” he wasn’t being entirely literal. Taken from an article in the subject that provides more background than simply jumping to context free conclusions: “Undoubtedly the use of the word ‘friends’ was inadvisable, and Corbyn has apologised since (as he did during PMQs). During a select committee meeting following the incident Corbyn explained that, as in the case of insisting on continuing conversations with members of Sinn Fein and the IRA in the late 80s and early 90s, the objective of the meeting in question had been to facilitate dialogue: ‘The language I used at that meeting was actually here in parliament and it was about encouraging the meeting to go ahead, encouraging there to be a discussion about the peace process.’ This was not an excuse invented after the fact to justify his actions. The recording of Corbyn that Cameron referred to during PMQs includes him implicitly criticising the British government’s refusal to attempt to negotiate peace talks, expressing his belief that they should be ‘talking directly to Hamas and Hezbollah’. He justifies the meetings on the grounds that he considers it ‘absolutely the right function of using parliamentary facilities to invite people from other parts of the world so that we can promote that peace, that understanding and that dialogue’. He has since been forced to make the obvious point that talking with Hezbollah and Hamas does not make him sympathetic towards their views. As he himself put it: ‘I absolutely do not approve of those organisations’?—?adding, ‘obviously, anyone who commits racist acts or is antisemitic is not a friend of mine’.” | |||
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" Indeed. And anyone who can call a socialist dictator like Fidel Castro a champion of social justice or can claim that Venezuela was the shining light and that we should all look to Hugo Chavez for inspiration...is a little silly I think. Not to mention frightening. Ah, the Castro and Chavez ware terrorists meme. You do know that prior to Castro Cuba was owned and run by the US mob and that the reason Cuba and Venezuela are in the mess they are in is because the USA has been prosecuting savage economic wars against them for years and in the case of Cuba decades. The countries most deserving of the label frightening are the USA, Russia and us (UK). In the last couple of decades we (the 3 of us) have been responsible for millions of deaths round the planet and 10's of million deaths around the world in the last 70 years." Well said. I love how in most arguments on here people just ignore the Facts that they cannot argue with so they just choose to ignore them and carry on bickering over the other stuff! | |||
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"Well we’re going no where with this torture party only down the drain So I say give labour a chance We most certainly are next election Why would anyone in a stable mind continue to support this goverment bunch of tossers they are " I would give labour a chance..... IF they existed. The current Corbyn version is run from Liverpool by Militant Tendancy (now calling themselves "momentum"). Those of us with long enough memories remember how they almost hijacked labour in the 80s. Even Derek Hatton has come crawling back from the shadows! Current Labour! Be afraid....be VERY afraid!!!! | |||
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"It's not about war, peace, your missing a point, I feel my Opinion only, he is not going to be able to defeat the Conservatives, he is the most unpopular Labour leader in decades, even Blair was. more Popular He alienates,rather the reunites Unpopular with the press barons and the Establishment who have used everything they can to smear and villify Corbyn. Popular with LP members who have joined in their thousands since Corbyn to make Labour the largest political party in Europe It’s not the hard core members he needs to convince. It’s the soft labour voters, which i probably fall into. " Beyond that he also needs to convince the disolutioned Conservative voters and the LibDem voter who doesn't believe the LibDems stand much chance. On both those he's failing badly. | |||
"It's not about war, peace, your missing a point, I feel my Opinion only, he is not going to be able to defeat the Conservatives, he is the most unpopular Labour leader in decades, even Blair was. more Popular He alienates,rather the reunites Unpopular with the press barons and the Establishment who have used everything they can to smear and villify Corbyn. Popular with LP members who have joined in their thousands since Corbyn to make Labour the largest political party in Europe It’s not the hard core members he needs to convince. It’s the soft labour voters, which i probably fall into. I have said this for a long time. No need convincing the converts, it's the undecided and centre left voters he needs to win an election. Who will the centre left vote for if not corbyn..The liberals have disappeared and won't be elected this century .The Tories are now kippers . So there is no middle.If your a lefty and don't vote corbyn your as good as voting conservative. Your choice is binary. " I disagree. The choice is not binary at all. If Labour don't put forward a platform that is convincingly center left I doubt they'll do much better next election than last. | |||
"On the news recently he left his property on his bike then cycled the wrong way up a one way street. String him up "Did you see his poppy ...It was tiny and he wore a jacket with a hood .I'm feeling discustard. | |||
"On the news recently he left his property on his bike then cycled the wrong way up a one way street. String him up
Did you see his poppy ...It was tiny and he wore a jacket with a hood .I'm feeling discustard."I'm no fan of Jeremy Corbyn but at least he turned up and I'm pretty sure he would've been there even if it had been raining, unlike one pretty well known leader visiting France the other day. | |||
"Well I do believe he likes to rub shoulders with the leadership of Hamas That sounds pretty bad I must admit. Can you expand on that at all? He's shared a platform with Hamas speakers in the past (not only that the equally despicable Hezbollah too). Corbyn also called Hamas and Hezbollah his "friends". Yes, so thought it might be that. Could you expand a bit more, perhaps by putting it in some sort of wider context. For example, when he referred to them as “friends” he wasn’t being entirely literal. Taken from an article in the subject that provides more background than simply jumping to context free conclusions: “Undoubtedly the use of the word ‘friends’ was inadvisable, and Corbyn has apologised since (as he did during PMQs). During a select committee meeting following the incident Corbyn explained that, as in the case of insisting on continuing conversations with members of Sinn Fein and the IRA in the late 80s and early 90s, the objective of the meeting in question had been to facilitate dialogue: ‘The language I used at that meeting was actually here in parliament and it was about encouraging the meeting to go ahead, encouraging there to be a discussion about the peace process.’ This was not an excuse invented after the fact to justify his actions. The recording of Corbyn that Cameron referred to during PMQs includes him implicitly criticising the British government’s refusal to attempt to negotiate peace talks, expressing his belief that they should be ‘talking directly to Hamas and Hezbollah’. He justifies the meetings on the grounds that he considers it ‘absolutely the right function of using parliamentary facilities to invite people from other parts of the world so that we can promote that peace, that understanding and that dialogue’. He has since been forced to make the obvious point that talking with Hezbollah and Hamas does not make him sympathetic towards their views. As he himself put it: ‘I absolutely do not approve of those organisations’?—?adding, ‘obviously, anyone who commits racist acts or is antisemitic is not a friend of mine’.”" People have tried and failed to talk to Hamas, Hezbollah and others, but, and here in lies the problem, they aren't interested in peace. They are backed by Iran, who's sworn intent is to "wipe Isreal off the world map", just how do you negotiate with that? Sometimes, you just have to admit that, whilst any sane rational human would want peace, you can't negotiate with certain groups, and its pointless trying. This is why Corbyn is dangerous, I don't doubt he is a man of peace, but his blinkered view about this, and other issues, means he's not fit to govern. | |||
"Well I do believe he likes to rub shoulders with the leadership of Hamas That sounds pretty bad I must admit. Can you expand on that at all? He's shared a platform with Hamas speakers in the past (not only that the equally despicable Hezbollah too). Corbyn also called Hamas and Hezbollah his "friends". Yes, so thought it might be that. Could you expand a bit more, perhaps by putting it in some sort of wider context. For example, when he referred to them as “friends” he wasn’t being entirely literal. Taken from an article in the subject that provides more background than simply jumping to context free conclusions: “Undoubtedly the use of the word ‘friends’ was inadvisable, and Corbyn has apologised since (as he did during PMQs). During a select committee meeting following the incident Corbyn explained that, as in the case of insisting on continuing conversations with members of Sinn Fein and the IRA in the late 80s and early 90s, the objective of the meeting in question had been to facilitate dialogue: ‘The language I used at that meeting was actually here in parliament and it was about encouraging the meeting to go ahead, encouraging there to be a discussion about the peace process.’ This was not an excuse invented after the fact to justify his actions. The recording of Corbyn that Cameron referred to during PMQs includes him implicitly criticising the British government’s refusal to attempt to negotiate peace talks, expressing his belief that they should be ‘talking directly to Hamas and Hezbollah’. He justifies the meetings on the grounds that he considers it ‘absolutely the right function of using parliamentary facilities to invite people from other parts of the world so that we can promote that peace, that understanding and that dialogue’. He has since been forced to make the obvious point that talking with Hezbollah and Hamas does not make him sympathetic towards their views. As he himself put it: ‘I absolutely do not approve of those organisations’?—?adding, ‘obviously, anyone who commits racist acts or is antisemitic is not a friend of mine’.” People have tried and failed to talk to Hamas, Hezbollah and others, but, and here in lies the problem, they aren't interested in peace. They are backed by Iran, who's sworn intent is to "wipe Isreal off the world map", just how do you negotiate with that? Sometimes, you just have to admit that, whilst any sane rational human would want peace, you can't negotiate with certain groups, and its pointless trying. This is why Corbyn is dangerous, I don't doubt he is a man of peace, but his blinkered view about this, and other issues, means he's not fit to govern. " Actually Hammas wanted to attend the meeting that Corbyn encouraged them to attend but Israel didn't allow them to leave Palestine | |||
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"Latest Yougov poll on who would make the best PM Don't know - 38% May - 36% Corbyn - 22% It's ridiculous that the leader of the opposition is polling so low given the current carnage we're seeing. That says it all." What do you expect when the main stream media do nothing but give him non stop bad press. He cant even go to remembrance sunday in a coat hes comfortable in with out being criticised and ridiculed for aplarently showing disrespect .
I would and will be doing so again voting for corbyn over may for PM. | |||
"Well I do believe he likes to rub shoulders with the leadership of Hamas That sounds pretty bad I must admit. Can you expand on that at all? He's shared a platform with Hamas speakers in the past (not only that the equally despicable Hezbollah too). Corbyn also called Hamas and Hezbollah his "friends". Yes, so thought it might be that. Could you expand a bit more, perhaps by putting it in some sort of wider context. For example, when he referred to them as “friends” he wasn’t being entirely literal. Taken from an article in the subject that provides more background than simply jumping to context free conclusions: “Undoubtedly the use of the word ‘friends’ was inadvisable, and Corbyn has apologised since (as he did during PMQs). During a select committee meeting following the incident Corbyn explained that, as in the case of insisting on continuing conversations with members of Sinn Fein and the IRA in the late 80s and early 90s, the objective of the meeting in question had been to facilitate dialogue: ‘The language I used at that meeting was actually here in parliament and it was about encouraging the meeting to go ahead, encouraging there to be a discussion about the peace process.’ This was not an excuse invented after the fact to justify his actions. The recording of Corbyn that Cameron referred to during PMQs includes him implicitly criticising the British government’s refusal to attempt to negotiate peace talks, expressing his belief that they should be ‘talking directly to Hamas and Hezbollah’. He justifies the meetings on the grounds that he considers it ‘absolutely the right function of using parliamentary facilities to invite people from other parts of the world so that we can promote that peace, that understanding and that dialogue’. He has since been forced to make the obvious point that talking with Hezbollah and Hamas does not make him sympathetic towards their views. As he himself put it: ‘I absolutely do not approve of those organisations’?—?adding, ‘obviously, anyone who commits racist acts or is antisemitic is not a friend of mine’.” People have tried and failed to talk to Hamas, Hezbollah and others, but, and here in lies the problem, they aren't interested in peace. They are backed by Iran, who's sworn intent is to "wipe Isreal off the world map", just how do you negotiate with that? Sometimes, you just have to admit that, whilst any sane rational human would want peace, you can't negotiate with certain groups, and its pointless trying. This is why Corbyn is dangerous, I don't doubt he is a man of peace, but his blinkered view about this, and other issues, means he's not fit to govern. " Because some people are against peace then we should just stop trying to negotiate it?! Really?! | |||
"Well I do believe he likes to rub shoulders with the leadership of Hamas That sounds pretty bad I must admit. Can you expand on that at all? He's shared a platform with Hamas speakers in the past (not only that the equally despicable Hezbollah too). Corbyn also called Hamas and Hezbollah his "friends". Yes, so thought it might be that. Could you expand a bit more, perhaps by putting it in some sort of wider context. For example, when he referred to them as “friends” he wasn’t being entirely literal. Taken from an article in the subject that provides more background than simply jumping to context free conclusions: “Undoubtedly the use of the word ‘friends’ was inadvisable, and Corbyn has apologised since (as he did during PMQs). During a select committee meeting following the incident Corbyn explained that, as in the case of insisting on continuing conversations with members of Sinn Fein and the IRA in the late 80s and early 90s, the objective of the meeting in question had been to facilitate dialogue: ‘The language I used at that meeting was actually here in parliament and it was about encouraging the meeting to go ahead, encouraging there to be a discussion about the peace process.’ This was not an excuse invented after the fact to justify his actions. The recording of Corbyn that Cameron referred to during PMQs includes him implicitly criticising the British government’s refusal to attempt to negotiate peace talks, expressing his belief that they should be ‘talking directly to Hamas and Hezbollah’. He justifies the meetings on the grounds that he considers it ‘absolutely the right function of using parliamentary facilities to invite people from other parts of the world so that we can promote that peace, that understanding and that dialogue’. He has since been forced to make the obvious point that talking with Hezbollah and Hamas does not make him sympathetic towards their views. As he himself put it: ‘I absolutely do not approve of those organisations’?—?adding, ‘obviously, anyone who commits racist acts or is antisemitic is not a friend of mine’.” People have tried and failed to talk to Hamas, Hezbollah and others, but, and here in lies the problem, they aren't interested in peace. They are backed by Iran, who's sworn intent is to "wipe Isreal off the world map", just how do you negotiate with that? Sometimes, you just have to admit that, whilst any sane rational human would want peace, you can't negotiate with certain groups, and its pointless trying. This is why Corbyn is dangerous, I don't doubt he is a man of peace, but his blinkered view about this, and other issues, means he's not fit to govern. Because some people are against peace then we should just stop trying to negotiate it?! Really?! "No, but we should bypass those at the trigger end of the equation and cut off their support by holding talks with Iran. International pressure can be brought to bare on them to stop funding terrorists, thereby reducing the terrorists ability to kill people. | |||
"Well I do believe he likes to rub shoulders with the leadership of Hamas That sounds pretty bad I must admit. Can you expand on that at all? He's shared a platform with Hamas speakers in the past (not only that the equally despicable Hezbollah too). Corbyn also called Hamas and Hezbollah his "friends". Yes, so thought it might be that. Could you expand a bit more, perhaps by putting it in some sort of wider context. For example, when he referred to them as “friends” he wasn’t being entirely literal. Taken from an article in the subject that provides more background than simply jumping to context free conclusions: “Undoubtedly the use of the word ‘friends’ was inadvisable, and Corbyn has apologised since (as he did during PMQs). During a select committee meeting following the incident Corbyn explained that, as in the case of insisting on continuing conversations with members of Sinn Fein and the IRA in the late 80s and early 90s, the objective of the meeting in question had been to facilitate dialogue: ‘The language I used at that meeting was actually here in parliament and it was about encouraging the meeting to go ahead, encouraging there to be a discussion about the peace process.’ This was not an excuse invented after the fact to justify his actions. The recording of Corbyn that Cameron referred to during PMQs includes him implicitly criticising the British government’s refusal to attempt to negotiate peace talks, expressing his belief that they should be ‘talking directly to Hamas and Hezbollah’. He justifies the meetings on the grounds that he considers it ‘absolutely the right function of using parliamentary facilities to invite people from other parts of the world so that we can promote that peace, that understanding and that dialogue’. He has since been forced to make the obvious point that talking with Hezbollah and Hamas does not make him sympathetic towards their views. As he himself put it: ‘I absolutely do not approve of those organisations’?—?adding, ‘obviously, anyone who commits racist acts or is antisemitic is not a friend of mine’.” People have tried and failed to talk to Hamas, Hezbollah and others, but, and here in lies the problem, they aren't interested in peace. They are backed by Iran, who's sworn intent is to "wipe Isreal off the world map", just how do you negotiate with that? Sometimes, you just have to admit that, whilst any sane rational human would want peace, you can't negotiate with certain groups, and its pointless trying. This is why Corbyn is dangerous, I don't doubt he is a man of peace, but his blinkered view about this, and other issues, means he's not fit to govern. Because some people are against peace then we should just stop trying to negotiate it?! Really?!
No, but we should bypass those at the trigger end of the equation and cut off their support by holding talks with Iran.
International pressure can be brought to bare on them to stop funding terrorists, thereby reducing the terrorists ability to kill people."Or there could be more international pressure out on Israel not to flaunt numerous UN resolutions with regards their illegal, unnecessary and provocative expansionist policies of settlement building beyond the recognised state if Israel. | |||
"Well I do believe he likes to rub shoulders with the leadership of Hamas That sounds pretty bad I must admit. Can you expand on that at all? He's shared a platform with Hamas speakers in the past (not only that the equally despicable Hezbollah too). Corbyn also called Hamas and Hezbollah his "friends". Yes, so thought it might be that. Could you expand a bit more, perhaps by putting it in some sort of wider context. For example, when he referred to them as “friends” he wasn’t being entirely literal. Taken from an article in the subject that provides more background than simply jumping to context free conclusions: “Undoubtedly the use of the word ‘friends’ was inadvisable, and Corbyn has apologised since (as he did during PMQs). During a select committee meeting following the incident Corbyn explained that, as in the case of insisting on continuing conversations with members of Sinn Fein and the IRA in the late 80s and early 90s, the objective of the meeting in question had been to facilitate dialogue: ‘The language I used at that meeting was actually here in parliament and it was about encouraging the meeting to go ahead, encouraging there to be a discussion about the peace process.’ This was not an excuse invented after the fact to justify his actions. The recording of Corbyn that Cameron referred to during PMQs includes him implicitly criticising the British government’s refusal to attempt to negotiate peace talks, expressing his belief that they should be ‘talking directly to Hamas and Hezbollah’. He justifies the meetings on the grounds that he considers it ‘absolutely the right function of using parliamentary facilities to invite people from other parts of the world so that we can promote that peace, that understanding and that dialogue’. He has since been forced to make the obvious point that talking with Hezbollah and Hamas does not make him sympathetic towards their views. As he himself put it: ‘I absolutely do not approve of those organisations’?—?adding, ‘obviously, anyone who commits racist acts or is antisemitic is not a friend of mine’.” People have tried and failed to talk to Hamas, Hezbollah and others, but, and here in lies the problem, they aren't interested in peace. They are backed by Iran, who's sworn intent is to "wipe Isreal off the world map", just how do you negotiate with that? Sometimes, you just have to admit that, whilst any sane rational human would want peace, you can't negotiate with certain groups, and its pointless trying. This is why Corbyn is dangerous, I don't doubt he is a man of peace, but his blinkered view about this, and other issues, means he's not fit to govern. Because some people are against peace then we should just stop trying to negotiate it?! Really?!
No, but we should bypass those at the trigger end of the equation and cut off their support by holding talks with Iran.
International pressure can be brought to bare on them to stop funding terrorists, thereby reducing the terrorists ability to kill people.
Or there could be more international pressure out on Israel not to flaunt numerous UN resolutions with regards their illegal, unnecessary and provocative expansionist policies of settlement building beyond the recognised state if Israel."I said or, but really meant and. For balance. But also talking directly with groups of possible. It’s a massive problem, and I would say every avenue should be explored where it is practical to do so. | |||
