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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Some are calling the polarisation of the left and right in the US the “cold civil war”
Does anyone think that the USA is on the brink of a 2nd Civil War? |
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"Some are calling the polarisation of the left and right in the US the “cold civil war”
Does anyone think that the USA is on the brink of a 2nd Civil War?"
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Yes, it's inevitable now unfortunately but such is life.
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It's not left and right though!.
It's the democrats and the progressives, the Dems are really trying there best to hold on to there core voters but "most" are leaving them be that black voters or white progressives |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"It's not left and right though!.
It's the democrats and the progressives, the Dems are really trying there best to hold on to there core voters but "most" are leaving them be that black voters or white progressives"
You think that ‘most’ of the core Democrat voters are leaving them? You do seriously write some strange bullshit on here at times. You have a Trump-like level of cognitive dissonance.
-Matt |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It's not left and right though!.
It's the democrats and the progressives, the Dems are really trying there best to hold on to there core voters but "most" are leaving them be that black voters or white progressives
You think that ‘most’ of the core Democrat voters are leaving them? You do seriously write some strange bullshit on here at times. You have a Trump-like level of cognitive dissonance.
-Matt"
What ever about the core voters ....a lot of black democratic supporters are leaving....but nice touch refraining from the trump abuse...HE is still president so prob doesn't give a shit what you think..just saying |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
Barbados |
"It's not left and right though!.
It's the democrats and the progressives, the Dems are really trying there best to hold on to there core voters but "most" are leaving them be that black voters or white progressives
You think that ‘most’ of the core Democrat voters are leaving them? You do seriously write some strange bullshit on here at times. You have a Trump-like level of cognitive dissonance.
-MattWhat ever about the core voters ....a lot of black democratic supporters are leaving....but nice touch refraining from the trump abuse...HE is still president so prob doesn't give a shit what you think..just saying "
So you admit what you wrote was just bullshit? Why write it then? Is it just to emulate your hero Trump’s knack of constant lies?
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's not left and right though!.
It's the democrats and the progressives, the Dems are really trying there best to hold on to there core voters but "most" are leaving them be that black voters or white progressives
You think that ‘most’ of the core Democrat voters are leaving them? You do seriously write some strange bullshit on here at times. You have a Trump-like level of cognitive dissonance.
-MattWhat ever about the core voters ....a lot of black democratic supporters are leaving....but nice touch refraining from the trump abuse...HE is still president so prob doesn't give a shit what you think..just saying
So you admit what you wrote was just bullshit? Why write it then? Is it just to emulate your hero Trump’s knack of constant lies?
-Matt"
Black voters have woke up to the dem's bullshit...that's why they are going with trump...the guy could cure cancer and still people like you would find fault play a different song because the anti trump bs is getting old,if people like you hate him this much now what way will your soft little hearts be when he gets a second term |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Some are calling the polarisation of the left and right in the US the “cold civil war”
Does anyone think that the USA is on the brink of a 2nd Civil War?"
I'm more worried about Trump starting a new "cold war" with China and Russia.
He is pulling out of disarmament treaties with Russia and reversing cuts in the nuclear arsenal of the US.
A new arms race beckons.
Trump's mantra is "peace through strength", an Orwellian euphemism for a bully.
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
Barbados |
"It's not left and right though!.
It's the democrats and the progressives, the Dems are really trying there best to hold on to there core voters but "most" are leaving them be that black voters or white progressives
You think that ‘most’ of the core Democrat voters are leaving them? You do seriously write some strange bullshit on here at times. You have a Trump-like level of cognitive dissonance.
-MattWhat ever about the core voters ....a lot of black democratic supporters are leaving....but nice touch refraining from the trump abuse...HE is still president so prob doesn't give a shit what you think..just saying
So you admit what you wrote was just bullshit? Why write it then? Is it just to emulate your hero Trump’s knack of constant lies?
-MattBlack voters have woke up to the dem's bullshit...that's why they are going with trump...the guy could cure cancer and still people like you would find fault play a different song because the anti trump bs is getting old,if people like you hate him this much now what way will your soft little hearts be when he gets a second term"
This actually has nothing to do with my feelings on Trump. It is very very simple. Making the statement that ‘most’ of the core Democrat voters are leaving is just simply false. False. Incorrect. Untrue. Even Albert then tried to walk it back in his next comment from ‘most’ to ‘many’. And even then I don’t know if there is any evidence to back up that claim either.
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
Barbados |
"It's not left and right though!.
It's the democrats and the progressives, the Dems are really trying there best to hold on to there core voters but "most" are leaving them be that black voters or white progressives
You think that ‘most’ of the core Democrat voters are leaving them? You do seriously write some strange bullshit on here at times. You have a Trump-like level of cognitive dissonance.
-MattWhat ever about the core voters ....a lot of black democratic supporters are leaving....but nice touch refraining from the trump abuse...HE is still president so prob doesn't give a shit what you think..just saying
So you admit what you wrote was just bullshit? Why write it then? Is it just to emulate your hero Trump’s knack of constant lies?
-MattBlack voters have woke up to the dem's bullshit...that's why they are going with trump...the guy could cure cancer and still people like you would find fault play a different song because the anti trump bs is getting old,if people like you hate him this much now what way will your soft little hearts be when he gets a second term"
Oh, and another thing. Can you point out a specific instance of ‘Dem’s bullshit’ that you think black voters have ‘woke up to’?
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"It's not left and right though!.
It's the democrats and the progressives, the Dems are really trying there best to hold on to there core voters but "most" are leaving them be that black voters or white progressives
You think that ‘most’ of the core Democrat voters are leaving them? You do seriously write some strange bullshit on here at times. You have a Trump-like level of cognitive dissonance.
-MattWhat ever about the core voters ....a lot of black democratic supporters are leaving....but nice touch refraining from the trump abuse...HE is still president so prob doesn't give a shit what you think..just saying
So you admit what you wrote was just bullshit? Why write it then? Is it just to emulate your hero Trump’s knack of constant lies?
-MattBlack voters have woke up to the dem's bullshit...that's why they are going with trump...the guy could cure cancer and still people like you would find fault play a different song because the anti trump bs is getting old,if people like you hate him this much now what way will your soft little hearts be when he gets a second term"
Black voters aren't going with Trump. A poll in August showed his support up slightly amongst black voters. (whilst it was down with all other ethnic groups) but over 85% of black voters still support the Democrats. |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
Barbados |
"Some are calling the polarisation of the left and right in the US the “cold civil war”
Does anyone think that the USA is on the brink of a 2nd Civil War?
I'm more worried about Trump starting a new "cold war" with China and Russia.
He is pulling out of disarmament treaties with Russia and reversing cuts in the nuclear arsenal of the US.
A new arms race beckons.
Trump's mantra is "peace through strength", an Orwellian euphemism for a bully.
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Trump has quite literately fabricated an imaginary ‘war’ on the southern US border in order to try and win an election.
What was the name of that film? Wag the dog?
-Matt |
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"It's not left and right though!.
It's the democrats and the progressives, the Dems are really trying there best to hold on to there core voters but "most" are leaving them be that black voters or white progressives
You think that ‘most’ of the core Democrat voters are leaving them? You do seriously write some strange bullshit on here at times. You have a Trump-like level of cognitive dissonance.
-MattWhat ever about the core voters ....a lot of black democratic supporters are leaving....but nice touch refraining from the trump abuse...HE is still president so prob doesn't give a shit what you think..just saying
So you admit what you wrote was just bullshit? Why write it then? Is it just to emulate your hero Trump’s knack of constant lies?
-MattBlack voters have woke up to the dem's bullshit...that's why they are going with trump...the guy could cure cancer and still people like you would find fault play a different song because the anti trump bs is getting old,if people like you hate him this much now what way will your soft little hearts be when he gets a second term
This actually has nothing to do with my feelings on Trump. It is very very simple. Making the statement that ‘most’ of the core Democrat voters are leaving is just simply false. False. Incorrect. Untrue. Even Albert then tried to walk it back in his next comment from ‘most’ to ‘many’. And even then I don’t know if there is any evidence to back up that claim either.
-Matt"
His approval rating amongst black voters is. 13%, up from. 9% in the. Election. That's. "many" apparently. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Some are calling the polarisation of the left and right in the US the “cold civil war”
Does anyone think that the USA is on the brink of a 2nd Civil War?
I'm more worried about Trump starting a new "cold war" with China and Russia.
He is pulling out of disarmament treaties with Russia and reversing cuts in the nuclear arsenal of the US.
A new arms race beckons.
Trump's mantra is "peace through strength", an Orwellian euphemism for a bully.
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This trump quote from this summer is as Orwellian as it gets.
"Just remember, what you’re seeing and what you’re reading is not what’s happening…” Trump
And from Orwells 1984
“The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
Wake up shepple! |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
Barbados |
"It's not left and right though!.
It's the democrats and the progressives, the Dems are really trying there best to hold on to there core voters but "most" are leaving them be that black voters or white progressives
You think that ‘most’ of the core Democrat voters are leaving them? You do seriously write some strange bullshit on here at times. You have a Trump-like level of cognitive dissonance.
-MattWhat ever about the core voters ....a lot of black democratic supporters are leaving....but nice touch refraining from the trump abuse...HE is still president so prob doesn't give a shit what you think..just saying
So you admit what you wrote was just bullshit? Why write it then? Is it just to emulate your hero Trump’s knack of constant lies?
-MattBlack voters have woke up to the dem's bullshit...that's why they are going with trump...the guy could cure cancer and still people like you would find fault play a different song because the anti trump bs is getting old,if people like you hate him this much now what way will your soft little hearts be when he gets a second term
This actually has nothing to do with my feelings on Trump. It is very very simple. Making the statement that ‘most’ of the core Democrat voters are leaving is just simply false. False. Incorrect. Untrue. Even Albert then tried to walk it back in his next comment from ‘most’ to ‘many’. And even then I don’t know if there is any evidence to back up that claim either.
-Matt
His approval rating amongst black voters is. 13%, up from. 9% in the. Election. That's. "many" apparently. "
Last I read it was just 3%, but that was a couple of months ago. With disapproval over 90%. But regardless of the actual numbers. It is neither "most" nor "many".
Unless you are Trump. In which case it is yuuuuge!
-Matt |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Some are calling the polarisation of the left and right in the US the “cold civil war”
Does anyone think that the USA is on the brink of a 2nd Civil War?
I'm more worried about Trump starting a new "cold war" with China and Russia.
He is pulling out of disarmament treaties with Russia and reversing cuts in the nuclear arsenal of the US.
A new arms race beckons.
Trump's mantra is "peace through strength", an Orwellian euphemism for a bully.
Trump has quite literately fabricated an imaginary ‘war’ on the southern US border in order to try and win an election.
What was the name of that film? Wag the dog?
-Matt"
So America should just let in a migrant caravan of thousands inverted,undocumented and using force to get to the border and which steam rolled through Mexico..exactly what planet are you living on.. |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
Barbados |
"Some are calling the polarisation of the left and right in the US the “cold civil war”
Does anyone think that the USA is on the brink of a 2nd Civil War?
I'm more worried about Trump starting a new "cold war" with China and Russia.
He is pulling out of disarmament treaties with Russia and reversing cuts in the nuclear arsenal of the US.
A new arms race beckons.
Trump's mantra is "peace through strength", an Orwellian euphemism for a bully.
Trump has quite literately fabricated an imaginary ‘war’ on the southern US border in order to try and win an election.
What was the name of that film? Wag the dog?
-MattSo America should just let in a migrant caravan of thousands inverted,undocumented and using force to get to the border and which steam rolled through Mexico..exactly what planet are you living on.."
*scrolls up*
Uhh... no. I don't think I said that at all, did I?
I've no idea what you might mean by 'inverted' migrant. But as for undocumented, well uhh... yeah... they have not reached the US yet, so will be undocumented. They also have a right to claim asylum if they get there.
But the main point is these people are several *thousand* miles away from the border and travelling on foot. Trump has supposedly sent a bunch of military to the US southern border... to do what? Play cards and paint their toenails for the next few months?
Ohhh... right... yeah... there is an election about to happen. That makes sense now.
I'm surprised Trump hasn't tried to reference our imminent invasion by Turkey that his buddy Farage was on about a few years back. That was a close call. Could have been as bad as the Bowling Green Massacre!
Good grief.
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"It's not left and right though!.
It's the democrats and the progressives, the Dems are really trying there best to hold on to there core voters but "most" are leaving them be that black voters or white progressives
You think that ‘most’ of the core Democrat voters are leaving them? You do seriously write some strange bullshit on here at times. You have a Trump-like level of cognitive dissonance.
-Matt"
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I've just come back from the east coast, it actually seemed relatively normal to be honest.
I just like winding up the posts of Doom  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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There couldn't really be a civil war in the usual sense, when you've got a far right controlled state and military apparatus.
What is more likely, although not that likely as apart from Trump and a few around him I doubt the majority of the Republican Party would go along with it, would be for Trump to either reject an election defeat, or to extend his term length indefinitely. He would be thereby curtailing their form of democracy and ushering in a military dictatorship under which there could be a left wing rebellion, but not the same as a conventional civil war. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Some are calling the polarisation of the left and right in the US the “cold civil war”
Does anyone think that the USA is on the brink of a 2nd Civil War?
I'm more worried about Trump starting a new "cold war" with China and Russia.
He is pulling out of disarmament treaties with Russia and reversing cuts in the nuclear arsenal of the US.
A new arms race beckons.
Trump's mantra is "peace through strength", an Orwellian euphemism for a bully.
Trump has quite literately fabricated an imaginary ‘war’ on the southern US border in order to try and win an election.
What was the name of that film? Wag the dog?
-MattSo America should just let in a migrant caravan of thousands inverted,undocumented and using force to get to the border and which steam rolled through Mexico..exactly what planet are you living on..
*scrolls up*
Uhh... no. I don't think I said that at all, did I?
I've no idea what you might mean by 'inverted' migrant. But as for undocumented, well uhh... yeah... they have not reached the US yet, so will be undocumented. They also have a right to claim asylum if they get there.
But the main point is these people are several *thousand* miles away from the border and travelling on foot. Trump has supposedly sent a bunch of military to the US southern border... to do what? Play cards and paint their toenails for the next few months?
Ohhh... right... yeah... there is an election about to happen. That makes sense now.
I'm surprised Trump hasn't tried to reference our imminent invasion by Turkey that his buddy Farage was on about a few years back. That was a close call. Could have been as bad as the Bowling Green Massacre!
Good grief.
-Matt"
Wrong they have the right to claim asylum in the first safe country they get to..that would me Mexico not America |
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"Wrong they have the right to claim asylum in the first safe country they get to..that would me Mexico not America "
horse crap ... go learn the rules on asylum before you spout shit |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
Barbados |
"Some are calling the polarisation of the left and right in the US the “cold civil war”
Does anyone think that the USA is on the brink of a 2nd Civil War?
I'm more worried about Trump starting a new "cold war" with China and Russia.
He is pulling out of disarmament treaties with Russia and reversing cuts in the nuclear arsenal of the US.
A new arms race beckons.
Trump's mantra is "peace through strength", an Orwellian euphemism for a bully.
Trump has quite literately fabricated an imaginary ‘war’ on the southern US border in order to try and win an election.
What was the name of that film? Wag the dog?
-MattSo America should just let in a migrant caravan of thousands inverted,undocumented and using force to get to the border and which steam rolled through Mexico..exactly what planet are you living on..
*scrolls up*
Uhh... no. I don't think I said that at all, did I?
I've no idea what you might mean by 'inverted' migrant. But as for undocumented, well uhh... yeah... they have not reached the US yet, so will be undocumented. They also have a right to claim asylum if they get there.
But the main point is these people are several *thousand* miles away from the border and travelling on foot. Trump has supposedly sent a bunch of military to the US southern border... to do what? Play cards and paint their toenails for the next few months?
Ohhh... right... yeah... there is an election about to happen. That makes sense now.
I'm surprised Trump hasn't tried to reference our imminent invasion by Turkey that his buddy Farage was on about a few years back. That was a close call. Could have been as bad as the Bowling Green Massacre!
Good grief.
-MattWrong they have the right to claim asylum in the first safe country they get to..that would me Mexico not America "
Yes, they have the right to. They don't have to though, they can seek asylum in any country.
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This is copied from the guardian.
There has, however, been a longstanding "first country of asylum" principle in international law by which countries are expected to take refugees fleeing from persecution in a neighbouring state. This principle has developed so that, in practice, an asylum seeker who had the opportunity to claim asylum in another country is liable to be returned there in order for his or her claim to be determined.
The domestic law on this issue is contained in the Asylum and Immigration (Treatment of Claimants etc) Act 2004 and the immigration rules. Schedule 3 to the 2004 act contains lists of countries that are deemed to be safe for the purposes of the refugee convention. |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"This is copied from the guardian.
There has, however, been a longstanding "first country of asylum" principle in international law by which countries are expected to take refugees fleeing from persecution in a neighbouring state. This principle has developed so that, in practice, an asylum seeker who had the opportunity to claim asylum in another country is liable to be returned there in order for his or her claim to be determined.
The domestic law on this issue is contained in the Asylum and Immigration (Treatment of Claimants etc) Act 2004 and the immigration rules. Schedule 3 to the 2004 act contains lists of countries that are deemed to be safe for the purposes of the refugee convention."
Is there a particular reason you are quoting acts of UK law in regards to an issue happening in central America?
Not quite as funny as those that blindly copy and paste US commercial code law on the bottom of their profile on here.
-Matt |
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"This is copied from the guardian.
There has, however, been a longstanding "first country of asylum" principle in international law by which countries are expected to take refugees fleeing from persecution in a neighbouring state. This principle has developed so that, in practice, an asylum seeker who had the opportunity to claim asylum in another country is liable to be returned there in order for his or her claim to be determined.
The domestic law on this issue is contained in the Asylum and Immigration (Treatment of Claimants etc) Act 2004 and the immigration rules. Schedule 3 to the 2004 act contains lists of countries that are deemed to be safe for the purposes of the refugee convention.
Is there a particular reason you are quoting acts of UK law in regards to an issue happening in central America?
Not quite as funny as those that blindly copy and paste US commercial code law on the bottom of their profile on here.
-Matt"
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If you read the first paragraph I think it says "international law" and then goes on to say how the UK applies domestic law based upon that.
Hope that helps |
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"I wonder how many yanks are seeking asylum in Mexico from this fascist racist alt right hood wearing loon trump who's intent on killing all Americans and starting a nuclear war with anybody.
  I would guess none atleast yr post isn’t over the top nuclear war lol.
All good libtards know that Donald trump is the antichrist Okies buddy but really nuclear war a tad overtop don’t ya think lol "
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Maybe.
But remember the antitrump is probably also responsible for the rabid racist anti black ebola virus, all part of the righty whiteys master plan of world domination!!! |
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"Wrong they have the right to claim asylum in the first safe country they get to..that would me Mexico not America
horse crap ... go learn the rules on asylum before you spout shit"
Spouting shit...a lefty Brit commenting on what the people or president of America should or shouldn't do in regards to securing their own borders but I'm spouting shit,yeah nice one....if the yanks listened to idiots like you America will soon look like England and parts of Europe  |
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"Wrong they have the right to claim asylum in the first safe country they get to..that would me Mexico not America
horse crap ... go learn the rules on asylum before you spout shitSpouting shit...a lefty Brit commenting on what the people or president of America should or shouldn't do in regards to securing their own borders but I'm spouting shit,yeah nice one....if the yanks listened to idiots like you America will soon look like England and parts of Europe "
And what do parts of England and Europe look like??? |
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"Wrong they have the right to claim asylum in the first safe country they get to..that would me Mexico not America
horse crap ... go learn the rules on asylum before you spout shitSpouting shit...a lefty Brit commenting on what the people or president of America should or shouldn't do in regards to securing their own borders but I'm spouting shit,yeah nice one....if the yanks listened to idiots like you America will soon look like England and parts of Europe
And what do parts of England and Europe look like??? "
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"Wrong they have the right to claim asylum in the first safe country they get to..that would me Mexico not America
horse crap ... go learn the rules on asylum before you spout shitSpouting shit...a lefty Brit commenting on what the people or president of America should or shouldn't do in regards to securing their own borders but I'm spouting shit,yeah nice one....if the yanks listened to idiots like you America will soon look like England and parts of Europe
And what do parts of England and Europe look like??? Good to see you still have that sense of humour "
So what has immigration made parts of England look like.?  |
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"Wrong they have the right to claim asylum in the first safe country they get to..that would me Mexico not America
horse crap ... go learn the rules on asylum before you spout shitSpouting shit...a lefty Brit commenting on what the people or president of America should or shouldn't do in regards to securing their own borders but I'm spouting shit,yeah nice one....if the yanks listened to idiots like you America will soon look like England and parts of Europe
And what do parts of England and Europe look like??? Good to see you still have that sense of humour
So what has immigration made parts of England look like.? "
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"This is copied from the guardian.
There has, however, been a longstanding "first country of asylum" principle in international law by which countries are expected to take refugees fleeing from persecution in a neighbouring state. This principle has developed so that, in practice, an asylum seeker who had the opportunity to claim asylum in another country is liable to be returned there in order for his or her claim to be determined.
The domestic law on this issue is contained in the Asylum and Immigration (Treatment of Claimants etc) Act 2004 and the immigration rules. Schedule 3 to the 2004 act contains lists of countries that are deemed to be safe for the purposes of the refugee convention."
did you read the whole article ? It’s interesring the selective quoting seemed to miss some other key points.
The opening paragraph summarises it a bit more fairly
"The short answer is that anyone is allowed to claim asylum anywhere, but states may lawfully remove asylum seekers to safe third countries on the grounds that they could have claimed asylum there. Also, I don't think it is right to say the UK would not "normally" be the first safe country a person seeking asylum would come to; depending on the method of transit it may well be the first country where the person has a reasonable opportunity to claim asylum."
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"Wrong they have the right to claim asylum in the first safe country they get to..that would me Mexico not America
horse crap ... go learn the rules on asylum before you spout shitSpouting shit...a lefty Brit commenting on what the people or president of America should or shouldn't do in regards to securing their own borders but I'm spouting shit,yeah nice one....if the yanks listened to idiots like you America will soon look like England and parts of Europe
And what do parts of England and Europe look like??? Good to see you still have that sense of humour
So what has immigration made parts of England look like.? "
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"Wrong they have the right to claim asylum in the first safe country they get to..that would me Mexico not America
horse crap ... go learn the rules on asylum before you spout shitSpouting shit...a lefty Brit commenting on what the people or president of America should or shouldn't do in regards to securing their own borders but I'm spouting shit,yeah nice one....if the yanks listened to idiots like you America will soon look like England and parts of Europe
And what do parts of England and Europe look like??? Good to see you still have that sense of humour
So what has immigration made parts of England look like.? islamabad .."
That’s A) bullshit, and B) made me feel sorry for anyone that has to live near you. |
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"I wonder how many yanks are seeking asylum in Mexico from this fascist racist alt right hood wearing loon trump who's intent on killing all Americans and starting a nuclear war with anybody.
I would guess none atleast yr post isn’t over the top nuclear war lol.
All good libtards know that Donald trump is the antichrist Okies buddy but really nuclear war a tad overtop don’t ya think lol .
Maybe.
But remember the antitrump is probably also responsible for the rabid racist anti black ebola virus, all part of the righty whiteys master plan of world domination!!!"
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"Wrong they have the right to claim asylum in the first safe country they get to..that would me Mexico not America
horse crap ... go learn the rules on asylum before you spout shitSpouting shit...a lefty Brit commenting on what the people or president of America should or shouldn't do in regards to securing their own borders but I'm spouting shit,yeah nice one....if the yanks listened to idiots like you America will soon look like England and parts of Europe
And what do parts of England and Europe look like??? Good to see you still have that sense of humour
So what has immigration made parts of England look like.? islamabad .."
And in that one word you only serve to further confirm your racism, I actually pity your ignorance and that you have so much hate inside.. |
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"...these people are several *thousand* miles away .."
Its about 1200 miles from border to border, on the shortest route.
However, its still a hell of a trek, and even if they make 20 miles a day, it will take them at least 60 days to get there.
I'm guessing the Mexicans will break before then and bus them up to the border.
Truth is, although I'm no Trump fan, I'm with him on this... why should they be allowed into the USA?
They are currently walking through a country that isn't the one they wanted to get away from.
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If a country or federation (such as the EU) cannot have border controls then what is the point of separate nations?
I have no problems in assisting refugees but to have an open border policy across the entire world appears to be a very dangerous line to take.
Perhaps the answer has to be to safeguard the border but to provide aid to those refugees at their borders as they leave their own lands? |
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"If a country or federation (such as the EU) cannot have border controls then what is the point of separate nations?
I have no problems in assisting refugees but to have an open border policy across the entire world appears to be a very dangerous line to take.
Perhaps the answer has to be to safeguard the border but to provide aid to those refugees at their borders as they leave their own lands?"
Or... y'know... just stop bombing the shit out of their countries?
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"If a country or federation (such as the EU) cannot have border controls then what is the point of separate nations?
I have no problems in assisting refugees but to have an open border policy across the entire world appears to be a very dangerous line to take.
Perhaps the answer has to be to safeguard the border but to provide aid to those refugees at their borders as they leave their own lands?
Or... y'know... just stop bombing the shit out of their countries?
-Matt"
i agree with that I think we should keep our noses out of all other country’s shit let them all crack on |
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"This is copied from the guardian.
There has, however, been a longstanding "first country of asylum" principle in international law by which countries are expected to take refugees fleeing from persecution in a neighbouring state. This principle has developed so that, in practice, an asylum seeker who had the opportunity to claim asylum in another country is liable to be returned there in order for his or her claim to be determined.
The domestic law on this issue is contained in the Asylum and Immigration (Treatment of Claimants etc) Act 2004 and the immigration rules. Schedule 3 to the 2004 act contains lists of countries that are deemed to be safe for the purposes of the refugee convention. did you read the whole article ? It’s interesring the selective quoting seemed to miss some other key points.
The opening paragraph summarises it a bit more fairly
The short answer is that anyone is allowed to claim asylum anywhere, but states may lawfully remove asylum seekers to safe third countries on the grounds that they could have claimed asylum there. Also, I don't think it is right to say the UK would not "normally" be the first safe country a person seeking asylum would come to; depending on the method of transit it may well be the first country where the person has a reasonable opportunity to claim asylum."
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I was just highlighting the paragraph that was seeming to be a problem on here.
Ie once you've passed through a safe country the other country is entitled to return you to it eg USA to Mexico |
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"If a country or federation (such as the EU) cannot have border controls then what is the point of separate nations?
I have no problems in assisting refugees but to have an open border policy across the entire world appears to be a very dangerous line to take.
Perhaps the answer has to be to safeguard the border but to provide aid to those refugees at their borders as they leave their own lands?
Or... y'know... just stop bombing the shit out of their countries?
-Matt i agree with that I think we should keep our noses out of all other country’s shit let them all crack on"
Leave them alone, don't deal with them and then you do not have any responsibility for assisting with the refugees?.....Not sure that is what you meant but that is how it comes across. Please clarify. |
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"This is copied from the guardian.
There has, however, been a longstanding "first country of asylum" principle in international law by which countries are expected to take refugees fleeing from persecution in a neighbouring state. This principle has developed so that, in practice, an asylum seeker who had the opportunity to claim asylum in another country is liable to be returned there in order for his or her claim to be determined.
The domestic law on this issue is contained in the Asylum and Immigration (Treatment of Claimants etc) Act 2004 and the immigration rules. Schedule 3 to the 2004 act contains lists of countries that are deemed to be safe for the purposes of the refugee convention. did you read the whole article ? It’s interesring the selective quoting seemed to miss some other key points.
The opening paragraph summarises it a bit more fairly
The short answer is that anyone is allowed to claim asylum anywhere, but states may lawfully remove asylum seekers to safe third countries on the grounds that they could have claimed asylum there. Also, I don't think it is right to say the UK would not "normally" be the first safe country a person seeking asylum would come to; depending on the method of transit it may well be the first country where the person has a reasonable opportunity to claim asylum..
I was just highlighting the paragraph that was seeming to be a problem on here.
Ie once you've passed through a safe country the other country is entitled to return you to it eg USA to Mexico"
This then depends on whether Mexico is deemed “safe”. I don’t know if the US have the equivalent of a safe list or how this is decided ... |
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"This is copied from the guardian.
There has, however, been a longstanding "first country of asylum" principle in international law by which countries are expected to take refugees fleeing from persecution in a neighbouring state. This principle has developed so that, in practice, an asylum seeker who had the opportunity to claim asylum in another country is liable to be returned there in order for his or her claim to be determined.
The domestic law on this issue is contained in the Asylum and Immigration (Treatment of Claimants etc) Act 2004 and the immigration rules. Schedule 3 to the 2004 act contains lists of countries that are deemed to be safe for the purposes of the refugee convention. did you read the whole article ? It’s interesring the selective quoting seemed to miss some other key points.
The opening paragraph summarises it a bit more fairly
The short answer is that anyone is allowed to claim asylum anywhere, but states may lawfully remove asylum seekers to safe third countries on the grounds that they could have claimed asylum there. Also, I don't think it is right to say the UK would not "normally" be the first safe country a person seeking asylum would come to; depending on the method of transit it may well be the first country where the person has a reasonable opportunity to claim asylum..
I was just highlighting the paragraph that was seeming to be a problem on here.
Ie once you've passed through a safe country the other country is entitled to return you to it eg USA to Mexico
This then depends on whether Mexico is deemed “safe”. I don’t know if the US have the equivalent of a safe list or how this is decided ..."
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United Nations list safe countries and Mexico is on it. |
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There's more billionaires in Mexico city than Washington DC.
They do have a bit of a rogue president or at least used to.
The biggest unsafe problem they have is drug cartels but hell so does the USA.
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"This is copied from the guardian.
There has, however, been a longstanding "first country of asylum" principle in international law by which countries are expected to take refugees fleeing from persecution in a neighbouring state. This principle has developed so that, in practice, an asylum seeker who had the opportunity to claim asylum in another country is liable to be returned there in order for his or her claim to be determined.
The domestic law on this issue is contained in the Asylum and Immigration (Treatment of Claimants etc) Act 2004 and the immigration rules. Schedule 3 to the 2004 act contains lists of countries that are deemed to be safe for the purposes of the refugee convention. did you read the whole article ? It’s interesring the selective quoting seemed to miss some other key points.
The opening paragraph summarises it a bit more fairly
The short answer is that anyone is allowed to claim asylum anywhere, but states may lawfully remove asylum seekers to safe third countries on the grounds that they could have claimed asylum there. Also, I don't think it is right to say the UK would not "normally" be the first safe country a person seeking asylum would come to; depending on the method of transit it may well be the first country where the person has a reasonable opportunity to claim asylum..
I was just highlighting the paragraph that was seeming to be a problem on here.
Ie once you've passed through a safe country the other country is entitled to return you to it eg USA to Mexico
This then depends on whether Mexico is deemed “safe”. I don’t know if the US have the equivalent of a safe list or how this is decided ....
United Nations list safe countries and Mexico is on it."
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"It's not left and right though!.
It's the democrats and the progressives, the Dems are really trying there best to hold on to there core voters but "most" are leaving them be that black voters or white progressives
You think that ‘most’ of the core Democrat voters are leaving them? You do seriously write some strange bullshit on here at times. You have a Trump-like level of cognitive dissonance.
-MattWhat ever about the core voters ....a lot of black democratic supporters are leaving....but nice touch refraining from the trump abuse...HE is still president so prob doesn't give a shit what you think..just saying
So you admit what you wrote was just bullshit? Why write it then? Is it just to emulate your hero Trump’s knack of constant lies?
-MattBlack voters have woke up to the dem's bullshit...that's why they are going with trump...the guy could cure cancer and still people like you would find fault play a different song because the anti trump bs is getting old,if people like you hate him this much now what way will your soft little hearts be when he gets a second term"
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"Wrong they have the right to claim asylum in the first safe country they get to..that would me Mexico not America
horse crap ... go learn the rules on asylum before you spout shitSpouting shit...a lefty Brit commenting on what the people or president of America should or shouldn't do in regards to securing their own borders but I'm spouting shit,yeah nice one....if the yanks listened to idiots like you America will soon look like England and parts of Europe
And what do parts of England and Europe look like??? Good to see you still have that sense of humour
So what has immigration made parts of England look like.? islamabad .."
You dont travel much then do you? Have you been to Islamabad lately? |
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"Some are calling the polarisation of the left and right in the US the “cold civil war”
Does anyone think that the USA is on the brink of a 2nd Civil War?
No. Do you?"
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Michael Cohen, the lawyer who was Trump's fixer when it came to paying off Stormy Daniels, has done an interview with Vanity Fair:
"During our conversation, Cohen recalled a discussion at Trump Tower, following the then-candidate’s return from a campaign rally during the 2016 election cycle. Cohen had watched the rally on TV and noticed that the crowd was largely Caucasian. He offered this observation to his boss. “I told Trump that the rally looked vanilla on television. Trump responded, ‘That’s because black people are too stupid to vote for me.’” (The White House did not respond to multiple requests for comment.)"
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"If a country or federation (such as the EU) cannot have border controls then what is the point of separate nations?
I have no problems in assisting refugees but to have an open border policy across the entire world appears to be a very dangerous line to take.
Perhaps the answer has to be to safeguard the border but to provide aid to those refugees at their borders as they leave their own lands?
Or... y'know... just stop bombing the shit out of their countries?
-Matt i agree with that I think we should keep our noses out of all other country’s shit let them all crack on
Leave them alone, don't deal with them and then you do not have any responsibility for assisting with the refugees?.....Not sure that is what you meant but that is how it comes across. Please clarify."
that’s basically it with the Middle East they have been killing eachother for thousands of yrs I’d stop all trade overseas aid no arms sales just keep our noses out there’s more than enough wealth there to look after there own Overseas aid as gone up to £14 billion now and we have food banks in the U.K. how as it come to this ffs |
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"Wrong they have the right to claim asylum in the first safe country they get to..that would me Mexico not America
horse crap ... go learn the rules on asylum before you spout shitSpouting shit...a lefty Brit commenting on what the people or president of America should or shouldn't do in regards to securing their own borders but I'm spouting shit,yeah nice one....if the yanks listened to idiots like you America will soon look like England and parts of Europe
And what do parts of England and Europe look like??? Good to see you still have that sense of humour
So what has immigration made parts of England look like.? islamabad .."
You appear to dislike people whose racial characteristics are different from yours.
By any definition, that makes you a racist.
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"If a country or federation (such as the EU) cannot have border controls then what is the point of separate nations?
I have no problems in assisting refugees but to have an open border policy across the entire world appears to be a very dangerous line to take.
Perhaps the answer has to be to safeguard the border but to provide aid to those refugees at their borders as they leave their own lands?
Or... y'know... just stop bombing the shit out of their countries?
-Matt i agree with that I think we should keep our noses out of all other country’s shit let them all crack on
Leave them alone, don't deal with them and then you do not have any responsibility for assisting with the refugees?.....Not sure that is what you meant but that is how it comes across. Please clarify. that’s basically it with the Middle East they have been killing eachother for thousands of yrs I’d stop all trade overseas aid no arms sales just keep our noses out there’s more than enough wealth there to look after there own Overseas aid as gone up to £14 billion now and we have food banks in the U.K. how as it come to this ffs"
Can I ask a simple question? Do you ever give a charitable donation to any cause? Or do you just look after your own? |
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"If a country or federation (such as the EU) cannot have border controls then what is the point of separate nations?
I have no problems in assisting refugees but to have an open border policy across the entire world appears to be a very dangerous line to take.
Perhaps the answer has to be to safeguard the border but to provide aid to those refugees at their borders as they leave their own lands?
Or... y'know... just stop bombing the shit out of their countries?
-Matt i agree with that I think we should keep our noses out of all other country’s shit let them all crack on
Leave them alone, don't deal with them and then you do not have any responsibility for assisting with the refugees?.....Not sure that is what you meant but that is how it comes across. Please clarify. that’s basically it with the Middle East they have been killing eachother for thousands of yrs I’d stop all trade overseas aid no arms sales just keep our noses out there’s more than enough wealth there to look after there own Overseas aid as gone up to £14 billion now and we have food banks in the U.K. how as it come to this ffs
Can I ask a simple question? Do you ever give a charitable donation to any cause? Or do you just look after your own?"
yes I do and some charity work but what’s yr point ? |
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"Wrong they have the right to claim asylum in the first safe country they get to..that would me Mexico not America
horse crap ... go learn the rules on asylum before you spout shitSpouting shit...a lefty Brit commenting on what the people or president of America should or shouldn't do in regards to securing their own borders but I'm spouting shit,yeah nice one....if the yanks listened to idiots like you America will soon look like England and parts of Europe
And what do parts of England and Europe look like??? Good to see you still have that sense of humour
So what has immigration made parts of England look like.? islamabad ..
You appear to dislike people whose racial characteristics are different from yours.
By any definition, that makes you a racist.
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You should have seen the pic he had with the rifle on his profile before he was “asked” to remove it, really begs the question whether he is one of those people who the authorities are monitoring in case he is plotting something. |
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"If a country or federation (such as the EU) cannot have border controls then what is the point of separate nations?
I have no problems in assisting refugees but to have an open border policy across the entire world appears to be a very dangerous line to take.
Perhaps the answer has to be to safeguard the border but to provide aid to those refugees at their borders as they leave their own lands?
Or... y'know... just stop bombing the shit out of their countries?
-Matt i agree with that I think we should keep our noses out of all other country’s shit let them all crack on
Leave them alone, don't deal with them and then you do not have any responsibility for assisting with the refugees?.....Not sure that is what you meant but that is how it comes across. Please clarify. that’s basically it with the Middle East they have been killing eachother for thousands of yrs I’d stop all trade overseas aid no arms sales just keep our noses out there’s more than enough wealth there to look after there own Overseas aid as gone up to £14 billion now and we have food banks in the U.K. how as it come to this ffs"
Do you think if we shop overseas aid that money will go to poor people in the uk.?
I agree with stopping arms sales but you realise there is a link in some instances of aid and arms sales.
That aid buys contracts.
We give aid to Saudi Arabia they buy bombs those bombs hit our foreign aid provided by oxfam in Yemen yesterday .You couldn't make it up..  |
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You should have seen the pic he had with the rifle on his profile before he was “asked” to remove it, really begs the question whether he is one of those people who the authorities are monitoring in case he is plotting something. "
How often do you read after the fact of the evidence being there in plain sight of extremist views aligned with violent imagery, but no-one joined the dots?
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"Wrong they have the right to claim asylum in the first safe country they get to..that would me Mexico not America
horse crap ... go learn the rules on asylum before you spout shitSpouting shit...a lefty Brit commenting on what the people or president of America should or shouldn't do in regards to securing their own borders but I'm spouting shit,yeah nice one....if the yanks listened to idiots like you America will soon look like England and parts of Europe
And what do parts of England and Europe look like??? Good to see you still have that sense of humour
So what has immigration made parts of England look like.? islamabad ..
You dont travel much then do you? Have you been to Islamabad lately?"
...I have traveled plenty what's your travel list look like .. |
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"If a country or federation (such as the EU) cannot have border controls then what is the point of separate nations?
I have no problems in assisting refugees but to have an open border policy across the entire world appears to be a very dangerous line to take.
Perhaps the answer has to be to safeguard the border but to provide aid to those refugees at their borders as they leave their own lands?
Or... y'know... just stop bombing the shit out of their countries?
-Matt i agree with that I think we should keep our noses out of all other country’s shit let them all crack on
Leave them alone, don't deal with them and then you do not have any responsibility for assisting with the refugees?.....Not sure that is what you meant but that is how it comes across. Please clarify. that’s basically it with the Middle East they have been killing eachother for thousands of yrs I’d stop all trade overseas aid no arms sales just keep our noses out there’s more than enough wealth there to look after there own Overseas aid as gone up to £14 billion now and we have food banks in the U.K. how as it come to this ffs"
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"Wrong they have the right to claim asylum in the first safe country they get to..that would me Mexico not America
horse crap ... go learn the rules on asylum before you spout shitSpouting shit...a lefty Brit commenting on what the people or president of America should or shouldn't do in regards to securing their own borders but I'm spouting shit,yeah nice one....if the yanks listened to idiots like you America will soon look like England and parts of Europe
And what do parts of England and Europe look like??? Good to see you still have that sense of humour
So what has immigration made parts of England look like.? islamabad ..
You appear to dislike people whose racial characteristics are different from yours.
By any definition, that makes you a racist.
You should have seen the pic he had with the rifle on his profile before he was “asked” to remove it, really begs the question whether he is one of those people who the authorities are monitoring in case he is plotting something. "
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"If a country or federation (such as the EU) cannot have border controls then what is the point of separate nations?
I have no problems in assisting refugees but to have an open border policy across the entire world appears to be a very dangerous line to take.
Perhaps the answer has to be to safeguard the border but to provide aid to those refugees at their borders as they leave their own lands?
Or... y'know... just stop bombing the shit out of their countries?
-Matt i agree with that I think we should keep our noses out of all other country’s shit let them all crack on
Leave them alone, don't deal with them and then you do not have any responsibility for assisting with the refugees?.....Not sure that is what you meant but that is how it comes across. Please clarify. that’s basically it with the Middle East they have been killing eachother for thousands of yrs I’d stop all trade overseas aid no arms sales just keep our noses out there’s more than enough wealth there to look after there own Overseas aid as gone up to £14 billion now and we have food banks in the U.K. how as it come to this ffs "
A question you should be asking your MP and government! The reason is simple the government doesn't look after everyone! Where the UK government fails it's poorer citizens charities and food banks fill the gap. How many food banks are there in the UK doing the job of government? |
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"Wrong they have the right to claim asylum in the first safe country they get to..that would me Mexico not America
horse crap ... go learn the rules on asylum before you spout shitSpouting shit...a lefty Brit commenting on what the people or president of America should or shouldn't do in regards to securing their own borders but I'm spouting shit,yeah nice one....if the yanks listened to idiots like you America will soon look like England and parts of Europe
And what do parts of England and Europe look like??? Good to see you still have that sense of humour
So what has immigration made parts of England look like.? islamabad ..
You appear to dislike people whose racial characteristics are different from yours.
By any definition, that makes you a racist.
You should have seen the pic he had with the rifle on his profile before he was “asked” to remove it, really begs the question whether he is one of those people who the authorities are monitoring in case he is plotting something. "
That anyone has pictures of guns on a profile on a site like this is bizarre.. |
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"Wrong they have the right to claim asylum in the first safe country they get to..that would me Mexico not America
horse crap ... go learn the rules on asylum before you spout shitSpouting shit...a lefty Brit commenting on what the people or president of America should or shouldn't do in regards to securing their own borders but I'm spouting shit,yeah nice one....if the yanks listened to idiots like you America will soon look like England and parts of Europe
And what do parts of England and Europe look like??? Good to see you still have that sense of humour
So what has immigration made parts of England look like.? islamabad ..
You appear to dislike people whose racial characteristics are different from yours.
By any definition, that makes you a racist.
You should have seen the pic he had with the rifle on his profile before he was “asked” to remove it, really begs the question whether he is one of those people who the authorities are monitoring in case he is plotting something. "
What a ridiculous assumption! I visited Nothe Fort in Weymouth earlier this year during summer, and had my photo taken in front of a WW2 anti aircraft gun there. It doesn't mean I intend on using it anytime soon! LOL |
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"Wrong they have the right to claim asylum in the first safe country they get to..that would me Mexico not America
horse crap ... go learn the rules on asylum before you spout shitSpouting shit...a lefty Brit commenting on what the people or president of America should or shouldn't do in regards to securing their own borders but I'm spouting shit,yeah nice one....if the yanks listened to idiots like you America will soon look like England and parts of Europe
And what do parts of England and Europe look like??? Good to see you still have that sense of humour
So what has immigration made parts of England look like.? "
Pakistan...
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"Wrong they have the right to claim asylum in the first safe country they get to..that would me Mexico not America
horse crap ... go learn the rules on asylum before you spout shitSpouting shit...a lefty Brit commenting on what the people or president of America should or shouldn't do in regards to securing their own borders but I'm spouting shit,yeah nice one....if the yanks listened to idiots like you America will soon look like England and parts of Europe
And what do parts of England and Europe look like??? Good to see you still have that sense of humour
So what has immigration made parts of England look like.?
Pakistan...
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This guy alluded to it. Immigration isn’t a problem in the Uk. Race hate crime on the other hand. Huge issue is society. |
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"Wrong they have the right to claim asylum in the first safe country they get to..that would me Mexico not America
horse crap ... go learn the rules on asylum before you spout shitSpouting shit...a lefty Brit commenting on what the people or president of America should or shouldn't do in regards to securing their own borders but I'm spouting shit,yeah nice one....if the yanks listened to idiots like you America will soon look like England and parts of Europe
And what do parts of England and Europe look like??? Good to see you still have that sense of humour
So what has immigration made parts of England look like.?
Pakistan...
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Yeah I’m always confusing South East coastal England and Pakistan.
The way to tell the difference is the number of racist assholes. Pakistan doesn’t have as many. |
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"If a country or federation (such as the EU) cannot have border controls then what is the point of separate nations?
I have no problems in assisting refugees but to have an open border policy across the entire world appears to be a very dangerous line to take.
Perhaps the answer has to be to safeguard the border but to provide aid to those refugees at their borders as they leave their own lands?
Or... y'know... just stop bombing the shit out of their countries?
-Matt i agree with that I think we should keep our noses out of all other country’s shit let them all crack on
Leave them alone, don't deal with them and then you do not have any responsibility for assisting with the refugees?.....Not sure that is what you meant but that is how it comes across. Please clarify. that’s basically it with the Middle East they have been killing eachother for thousands of yrs I’d stop all trade overseas aid no arms sales just keep our noses out there’s more than enough wealth there to look after there own Overseas aid as gone up to £14 billion now and we have food banks in the U.K. how as it come to this ffs Do you think if we shop overseas aid that money will go to poor people in the uk.?
I agree with stopping arms sales but you realise there is a link in some instances of aid and arms sales.
That aid buys contracts.
We give aid to Saudi Arabia they buy bombs those bombs hit our foreign aid provided by oxfam in Yemen yesterday .You couldn't make it up.. "
exactly bob we give money for aid and they buy bombs India spend it on space rockets so why bother and if it’s to get contracts then it’s not aid money it’s a bribe we need to feed our own first when we have no more food banks and homeless ppl then start looking at over seas aid ppl on here keep saying how much poorer we are going to be after brexit but moan when someone says cut overseas aid like you say you couldn’t make it up |
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You should have seen the pic he had with the rifle on his profile before he was “asked” to remove it, really begs the question whether he is one of those people who the authorities are monitoring in case he is plotting something.
How often do you read after the fact of the evidence being there in plain sight of extremist views aligned with violent imagery, but no-one joined the dots?
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Indeed. When you combine their blatant racism on here, their violent outbursts, and now apparently posing with a rifle on here, it does make you wonder.
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"If a country or federation (such as the EU) cannot have border controls then what is the point of separate nations?
I have no problems in assisting refugees but to have an open border policy across the entire world appears to be a very dangerous line to take.
Perhaps the answer has to be to safeguard the border but to provide aid to those refugees at their borders as they leave their own lands?
Or... y'know... just stop bombing the shit out of their countries?
-Matt"
Blimey, they kept that quiet... I didn't know the Yanks were bombing South American countries?
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"If a country or federation (such as the EU) cannot have border controls then what is the point of separate nations?
I have no problems in assisting refugees but to have an open border policy across the entire world appears to be a very dangerous line to take.
Perhaps the answer has to be to safeguard the border but to provide aid to those refugees at their borders as they leave their own lands?
Or... y'know... just stop bombing the shit out of their countries?
-Matt i agree with that I think we should keep our noses out of all other country’s shit let them all crack on
Leave them alone, don't deal with them and then you do not have any responsibility for assisting with the refugees?.....Not sure that is what you meant but that is how it comes across. Please clarify. that’s basically it with the Middle East they have been killing eachother for thousands of yrs I’d stop all trade overseas aid no arms sales just keep our noses out there’s more than enough wealth there to look after there own Overseas aid as gone up to £14 billion now and we have food banks in the U.K. how as it come to this ffs Do you think if we shop overseas aid that money will go to poor people in the uk.?
I agree with stopping arms sales but you realise there is a link in some instances of aid and arms sales.
That aid buys contracts.
We give aid to Saudi Arabia they buy bombs those bombs hit our foreign aid provided by oxfam in Yemen yesterday .You couldn't make it up.. exactly bob we give money for aid and they buy bombs India spend it on space rockets so why bother and if it’s to get contracts then it’s not aid money it’s a bribe we need to feed our own first when we have no more food banks and homeless ppl then start looking at over seas aid ppl on here keep saying how much poorer we are going to be after brexit but moan when someone says cut overseas aid like you say you couldn’t make it up "
Why is this the choice. We should do both, help people in need here, and give foreign aid, especially to countries we’ve historically played a part in causing their problems.
We don’t have to cut foreign aid to help those at home. We could spend less on Trident, or close tax dodging loop holes or save money in a variety of areas.
Of course you’re right it will be a lot harder after Brexit. And there is less than zero chance of the Tories doing any of this. But it would be possible.
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"If a country or federation (such as the EU) cannot have border controls then what is the point of separate nations?
I have no problems in assisting refugees but to have an open border policy across the entire world appears to be a very dangerous line to take.
Perhaps the answer has to be to safeguard the border but to provide aid to those refugees at their borders as they leave their own lands?
Or... y'know... just stop bombing the shit out of their countries?
-Matt i agree with that I think we should keep our noses out of all other country’s shit let them all crack on
Leave them alone, don't deal with them and then you do not have any responsibility for assisting with the refugees?.....Not sure that is what you meant but that is how it comes across. Please clarify. that’s basically it with the Middle East they have been killing eachother for thousands of yrs I’d stop all trade overseas aid no arms sales just keep our noses out there’s more than enough wealth there to look after there own Overseas aid as gone up to £14 billion now and we have food banks in the U.K. how as it come to this ffs Do you think if we shop overseas aid that money will go to poor people in the uk.?
I agree with stopping arms sales but you realise there is a link in some instances of aid and arms sales.
That aid buys contracts.
We give aid to Saudi Arabia they buy bombs those bombs hit our foreign aid provided by oxfam in Yemen yesterday .You couldn't make it up.. exactly bob we give money for aid and they buy bombs India spend it on space rockets so why bother and if it’s to get contracts then it’s not aid money it’s a bribe we need to feed our own first when we have no more food banks and homeless ppl then start looking at over seas aid ppl on here keep saying how much poorer we are going to be after brexit but moan when someone says cut overseas aid like you say you couldn’t make it up
Why is this the choice. We should do both, help people in need here, and give foreign aid, especially to countries we’ve historically played a part in causing their problems.
We don’t have to cut foreign aid to help those at home. We could spend less on Trident, or close tax dodging loop holes or save money in a variety of areas.
Of course you’re right it will be a lot harder after Brexit. And there is less than zero chance of the Tories doing any of this. But it would be possible.
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yes your right we could make cuts here and there could even make cuts in education nhs police or we could cut overseas aid I’m just saying I’d go woth cutting overseas aid because we can’t feed our own and half the bloody world why can’t we give the same amount as Germany France japan I bet no one in there country’s are saying why can’t we give as much as the U.K. |
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"If a country or federation (such as the EU) cannot have border controls then what is the point of separate nations?
I have no problems in assisting refugees but to have an open border policy across the entire world appears to be a very dangerous line to take.
Perhaps the answer has to be to safeguard the border but to provide aid to those refugees at their borders as they leave their own lands?
Or... y'know... just stop bombing the shit out of their countries?
-Matt i agree with that I think we should keep our noses out of all other country’s shit let them all crack on
Leave them alone, don't deal with them and then you do not have any responsibility for assisting with the refugees?.....Not sure that is what you meant but that is how it comes across. Please clarify. that’s basically it with the Middle East they have been killing eachother for thousands of yrs I’d stop all trade overseas aid no arms sales just keep our noses out there’s more than enough wealth there to look after there own Overseas aid as gone up to £14 billion now and we have food banks in the U.K. how as it come to this ffs Do you think if we shop overseas aid that money will go to poor people in the uk.?
I agree with stopping arms sales but you realise there is a link in some instances of aid and arms sales.
That aid buys contracts.
We give aid to Saudi Arabia they buy bombs those bombs hit our foreign aid provided by oxfam in Yemen yesterday .You couldn't make it up.. exactly bob we give money for aid and they buy bombs India spend it on space rockets so why bother and if it’s to get contracts then it’s not aid money it’s a bribe we need to feed our own first when we have no more food banks and homeless ppl then start looking at over seas aid ppl on here keep saying how much poorer we are going to be after brexit but moan when someone says cut overseas aid like you say you couldn’t make it up
Why is this the choice. We should do both, help people in need here, and give foreign aid, especially to countries we’ve historically played a part in causing their problems.
We don’t have to cut foreign aid to help those at home. We could spend less on Trident, or close tax dodging loop holes or save money in a variety of areas.
Of course you’re right it will be a lot harder after Brexit. And there is less than zero chance of the Tories doing any of this. But it would be possible.
yes your right we could make cuts here and there could even make cuts in education nhs police or we could cut overseas aid I’m just saying I’d go woth cutting overseas aid because we can’t feed our own and half the bloody world why can’t we give the same amount as Germany France japan I bet no one in there country’s are saying why can’t we give as much as the U.K. "
Fair enough. I don’t know why you’d pick overseas aid over Trident or cutting tax loop holes. I’m sure there’s a million other things I could think of that we could cut. But I’m hung over and tired. Haha |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"If a country or federation (such as the EU) cannot have border controls then what is the point of separate nations?
I have no problems in assisting refugees but to have an open border policy across the entire world appears to be a very dangerous line to take.
Perhaps the answer has to be to safeguard the border but to provide aid to those refugees at their borders as they leave their own lands?
Or... y'know... just stop bombing the shit out of their countries?
-Matt
Blimey, they kept that quiet... I didn't know the Yanks were bombing South American countries?
Can you point to a news source that names which countries in South America the Yanks are bombing please? "
They aren't.
And they aren't even bombing Central American countries like Guatemala either.
But there is a wider world out there. Open your eyes.
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"If a country or federation (such as the EU) cannot have border controls then what is the point of separate nations?
I have no problems in assisting refugees but to have an open border policy across the entire world appears to be a very dangerous line to take.
Perhaps the answer has to be to safeguard the border but to provide aid to those refugees at their borders as they leave their own lands?
Or... y'know... just stop bombing the shit out of their countries?
-Matt i agree with that I think we should keep our noses out of all other country’s shit let them all crack on
Leave them alone, don't deal with them and then you do not have any responsibility for assisting with the refugees?.....Not sure that is what you meant but that is how it comes across. Please clarify. that’s basically it with the Middle East they have been killing eachother for thousands of yrs I’d stop all trade overseas aid no arms sales just keep our noses out there’s more than enough wealth there to look after there own Overseas aid as gone up to £14 billion now and we have food banks in the U.K. how as it come to this ffs Do you think if we shop overseas aid that money will go to poor people in the uk.?
I agree with stopping arms sales but you realise there is a link in some instances of aid and arms sales.
That aid buys contracts.
We give aid to Saudi Arabia they buy bombs those bombs hit our foreign aid provided by oxfam in Yemen yesterday .You couldn't make it up.. exactly bob we give money for aid and they buy bombs India spend it on space rockets so why bother and if it’s to get contracts then it’s not aid money it’s a bribe we need to feed our own first when we have no more food banks and homeless ppl then start looking at over seas aid ppl on here keep saying how much poorer we are going to be after brexit but moan when someone says cut overseas aid like you say you couldn’t make it up
Why is this the choice. We should do both, help people in need here, and give foreign aid, especially to countries we’ve historically played a part in causing their problems.
We don’t have to cut foreign aid to help those at home. We could spend less on Trident, or close tax dodging loop holes or save money in a variety of areas.
Of course you’re right it will be a lot harder after Brexit. And there is less than zero chance of the Tories doing any of this. But it would be possible.
yes your right we could make cuts here and there could even make cuts in education nhs police or we could cut overseas aid I’m just saying I’d go woth cutting overseas aid because we can’t feed our own and half the bloody world why can’t we give the same amount as Germany France japan I bet no one in there country’s are saying why can’t we give as much as the U.K.
Fair enough. I don’t know why you’d pick overseas aid over Trident or cutting tax loop holes. I’m sure there’s a million other things I could think of that we could cut. But I’m hung over and tired. Haha"
say we cut trident our nuclear deterrent and still give money to Pakistan and India both a nuclear power would you say that made sense why would it be a bad thing to give as much as Germany or France iv never heard a good argument as to why the U.K. should give the second largest amount after the USA |
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"If a country or federation (such as the EU) cannot have border controls then what is the point of separate nations?
I have no problems in assisting refugees but to have an open border policy across the entire world appears to be a very dangerous line to take.
Perhaps the answer has to be to safeguard the border but to provide aid to those refugees at their borders as they leave their own lands?
Or... y'know... just stop bombing the shit out of their countries?
-Matt i agree with that I think we should keep our noses out of all other country’s shit let them all crack on
Leave them alone, don't deal with them and then you do not have any responsibility for assisting with the refugees?.....Not sure that is what you meant but that is how it comes across. Please clarify. that’s basically it with the Middle East they have been killing eachother for thousands of yrs I’d stop all trade overseas aid no arms sales just keep our noses out there’s more than enough wealth there to look after there own Overseas aid as gone up to £14 billion now and we have food banks in the U.K. how as it come to this ffs Do you think if we shop overseas aid that money will go to poor people in the uk.?
I agree with stopping arms sales but you realise there is a link in some instances of aid and arms sales.
That aid buys contracts.
We give aid to Saudi Arabia they buy bombs those bombs hit our foreign aid provided by oxfam in Yemen yesterday .You couldn't make it up.. exactly bob we give money for aid and they buy bombs India spend it on space rockets so why bother and if it’s to get contracts then it’s not aid money it’s a bribe we need to feed our own first when we have no more food banks and homeless ppl then start looking at over seas aid ppl on here keep saying how much poorer we are going to be after brexit but moan when someone says cut overseas aid like you say you couldn’t make it up
Why is this the choice. We should do both, help people in need here, and give foreign aid, especially to countries we’ve historically played a part in causing their problems.
We don’t have to cut foreign aid to help those at home. We could spend less on Trident, or close tax dodging loop holes or save money in a variety of areas.
Of course you’re right it will be a lot harder after Brexit. And there is less than zero chance of the Tories doing any of this. But it would be possible.
yes your right we could make cuts here and there could even make cuts in education nhs police or we could cut overseas aid I’m just saying I’d go woth cutting overseas aid because we can’t feed our own and half the bloody world why can’t we give the same amount as Germany France japan I bet no one in there country’s are saying why can’t we give as much as the U.K.
Fair enough. I don’t know why you’d pick overseas aid over Trident or cutting tax loop holes. I’m sure there’s a million other things I could think of that we could cut. But I’m hung over and tired. Haha say we cut trident our nuclear deterrent and still give money to Pakistan and India both a nuclear power would you say that made sense why would it be a bad thing to give as much as Germany or France iv never heard a good argument as to why the U.K. should give the second largest amount after the USA "
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"And country’s that have or developing nuclear weapons we could easily feed and house our own then bob ?"
If you can't feed your own people but have money to buy our weapons and build nuclear weapons then you don't need aid.They need to get their priorities right. |
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"And country’s that have or developing nuclear weapons we could easily feed and house our own then bob ?
If you can't feed your own people but have money to buy our weapons and build nuclear weapons then you don't need aid.They need to get their priorities right. "
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"And country’s that have or developing nuclear weapons we could easily feed and house our own then bob ?"
Yup, we probably could feed and house our own if we didn't spend the money on Trident.
But that is unlikely to happen.
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"Wrong they have the right to claim asylum in the first safe country they get to..that would me Mexico not America
horse crap ... go learn the rules on asylum before you spout shitSpouting shit...a lefty Brit commenting on what the people or president of America should or shouldn't do in regards to securing their own borders but I'm spouting shit,yeah nice one....if the yanks listened to idiots like you America will soon look like England and parts of Europe
And what do parts of England and Europe look like??? Good to see you still have that sense of humour
So what has immigration made parts of England look like.? islamabad ..
You appear to dislike people whose racial characteristics are different from yours.
By any definition, that makes you a racist.
You should have seen the pic he had with the rifle on his profile before he was “asked” to remove it, really begs the question whether he is one of those people who the authorities are monitoring in case he is plotting something.
What a ridiculous assumption! I visited Nothe Fort in Weymouth earlier this year during summer, and had my photo taken in front of a WW2 anti aircraft gun there. It doesn't mean I intend on using it anytime soon! LOL "
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Let us be clear, it is not the rifle that is problem it’s the person who wields it that is.
But let’s look at the facts:
1. Person has a picture of themselves holding a rifle on a swinging site.
2. Person spews hate speech in forums.
Am I wrong in being concerned about that persons behaviour?
This isn’t being personal, this is a safeguarding issue.
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"Wrong they have the right to claim asylum in the first safe country they get to..that would me Mexico not America
horse crap ... go learn the rules on asylum before you spout shitSpouting shit...a lefty Brit commenting on what the people or president of America should or shouldn't do in regards to securing their own borders but I'm spouting shit,yeah nice one....if the yanks listened to idiots like you America will soon look like England and parts of Europe
And what do parts of England and Europe look like??? Good to see you still have that sense of humour
So what has immigration made parts of England look like.?
Pakistan...
Yeah I’m always confusing South East coastal England and Pakistan.
The way to tell the difference is the number of racist assholes. Pakistan doesn’t have as many."
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"And country’s that have or developing nuclear weapons we could easily feed and house our own then bob ?
If you can't feed your own people but have money to buy our weapons and build nuclear weapons then you don't need aid.They need to get their priorities right. "
This..
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"Wrong they have the right to claim asylum in the first safe country they get to..that would me Mexico not America
horse crap ... go learn the rules on asylum before you spout shitSpouting shit...a lefty Brit commenting on what the people or president of America should or shouldn't do in regards to securing their own borders but I'm spouting shit,yeah nice one....if the yanks listened to idiots like you America will soon look like England and parts of Europe
And what do parts of England and Europe look like??? Good to see you still have that sense of humour
So what has immigration made parts of England look like.? islamabad ..
You appear to dislike people whose racial characteristics are different from yours.
By any definition, that makes you a racist.
You should have seen the pic he had with the rifle on his profile before he was “asked” to remove it, really begs the question whether he is one of those people who the authorities are monitoring in case he is plotting something.
What a ridiculous assumption! I visited Nothe Fort in Weymouth earlier this year during summer, and had my photo taken in front of a WW2 anti aircraft gun there. It doesn't mean I intend on using it anytime soon! LOL Who knew...guns scare some of the soft souls out there mate "
Not me, spent nigh on 14 yrs where they were second nature but can honestly say they never in any form became something connected with sex..
It's weird to put it mildly to have the two combined, same with anyone holding knives would be on their profile.. |
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"Let us be clear, it is not the rifle that is problem it’s the person who wields it that is.
But let’s look at the facts:
1. Person has a picture of themselves holding a rifle on a swinging site.
2. Person spews hate speech in forums.
Am I wrong in being concerned about that persons behaviour?
This isn’t being personal, this is a safeguarding issue.
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Point 1. First of all, profile critique of another posters profile without them asking or giving consent is against forum rules. Best stop before the mods slap your wrists.
Point 2. I don't see any hate speech just a person using freedom of speech to give their opinion.
Finally, you don't even know if the rifle was real, could have been an air rifle for all you know. And yes you are making It personal against the poster you're attacking. |
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"Wrong they have the right to claim asylum in the first safe country they get to..that would me Mexico not America
horse crap ... go learn the rules on asylum before you spout shitSpouting shit...a lefty Brit commenting on what the people or president of America should or shouldn't do in regards to securing their own borders but I'm spouting shit,yeah nice one....if the yanks listened to idiots like you America will soon look like England and parts of Europe
And what do parts of England and Europe look like??? Good to see you still have that sense of humour
So what has immigration made parts of England look like.? islamabad ..
You appear to dislike people whose racial characteristics are different from yours.
By any definition, that makes you a racist.
You should have seen the pic he had with the rifle on his profile before he was “asked” to remove it, really begs the question whether he is one of those people who the authorities are monitoring in case he is plotting something.
What a ridiculous assumption! I visited Nothe Fort in Weymouth earlier this year during summer, and had my photo taken in front of a WW2 anti aircraft gun there. It doesn't mean I intend on using it anytime soon! LOL Who knew...guns scare some of the soft souls out there mate "
If guns don't scare you, that's worrying. They exist to kill very efficiently at range.
I've owned guns for years, by the way. |
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