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Growth of GDP in the Eurozone has slumped to a 4 year low, halving from 0.4% in the last quarter to 0.2% now. It's pretty clear that the Eurozone is circling the drain, while economic growth in the UK was revised up from 1.3% to 1.6% in the chancellor's budget.  |
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"Growth of GDP in the Eurozone has slumped to a 4 year low, halving from 0.4% in the last quarter to 0.2% now. It's pretty clear that the Eurozone is circling the drain, while economic growth in the UK was revised up from 1.3% to 1.6% in the chancellor's budget. "
Comeback to me when you have the moving average.
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"Yet ireland is nearing full employment (less than 2% unemployed) we will be importing many UK workers post brexit as job creation keeps growing here.
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Yes I think the Irish could do very well from brexit. |
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Well when the UK econony has been doing so bad for so long it has the gap to fill.
And its Italy thats dragging the average down with 0% growth (the eurosceptic party someone on here has been talking up for a while).
Also worth noting that the World Cup is still included in these figures and countries involved like France (.4% growth) and England got a boost from that. |
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"Growth of GDP in the Eurozone has slumped to a 4 year low, halving from 0.4% in the last quarter to 0.2% now. It's pretty clear that the Eurozone is circling the drain, while economic growth in the UK was revised up from 1.3% to 1.6% in the chancellor's budget. "
Thing is, your banging on about how well we are doing while we're still an EU member state vs the Eurozone, so you're saying being an EU member is being good for us.
Now depending on what deal we get from Brexit will have a huge impact on "how well" we'll be doing 12 / 24 months afterwards. |
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"Growth of GDP in the Eurozone has slumped to a 4 year low, halving from 0.4% in the last quarter to 0.2% now. It's pretty clear that the Eurozone is circling the drain, while economic growth in the UK was revised up from 1.3% to 1.6% in the chancellor's budget. "
You do know that UK manufacturing is in recession don't you? Two quarters of negative growth |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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For someone who wants nothing to do with the EU, your continued posting about what’s happening in a few of its member states is peculiar to say the least.
PS I understand the economic illiteracy of your fascist chums in Italy is what is dragging down growth. |
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"Growth of GDP in the Eurozone has slumped to a 4 year low, halving from 0.4% in the last quarter to 0.2% now. It's pretty clear that the Eurozone is circling the drain, while economic growth in the UK was revised up from 1.3% to 1.6% in the chancellor's budget.
Thing is, your banging on about how well we are doing while we're still an EU member state vs the Eurozone, so you're saying being an EU member is being good for us.
Now depending on what deal we get from Brexit will have a huge impact on "how well" we'll be doing 12 / 24 months afterwards."
Thing is though the whole world knows we're leaving the EU, and yet we still continue to outperform the Eurozone. Onwards and upwards for the UK while the Eurozone continues to go backwards.
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"For someone who wants nothing to do with the EU, your continued posting about what’s happening in a few of its member states is peculiar to say the least.
PS I understand the economic illiteracy of your fascist chums in Italy is what is dragging down growth."
Where on the thread have I posted to what is happening in 'a few member states'? Would appreciate it if you could quote where I've done that but I think you'll struggle. I've only posted about the growth of the Eurozone as a whole on this thread, which as I said in the OP, is now at a 4 year low on 0.2%. |
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"Growth of GDP in the Eurozone has slumped to a 4 year low, halving from 0.4% in the last quarter to 0.2% now. It's pretty clear that the Eurozone is circling the drain, while economic growth in the UK was revised up from 1.3% to 1.6% in the chancellor's budget.
Thing is, your banging on about how well we are doing while we're still an EU member state vs the Eurozone, so you're saying being an EU member is being good for us.
Now depending on what deal we get from Brexit will have a huge impact on "how well" we'll be doing 12 / 24 months afterwards.
Thing is though the whole world knows we're leaving the EU, and yet we still continue to outperform the Eurozone. Onwards and upwards for the UK while the Eurozone continues to go backwards.
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So growth is going backwards now?
Did you read this in the Express?
You’re really amusing, it’s fun to see someone so blinded by an obsessive hate towards everything Europe that jump on any minuscule piece of news, ignoring the 99% of reports that contradict your preconceived ideas and believing the 1% you read in the Express/Daily Mail.
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"Growth of GDP in the Eurozone has slumped to a 4 year low, halving from 0.4% in the last quarter to 0.2% now. It's pretty clear that the Eurozone is circling the drain, while economic growth in the UK was revised up from 1.3% to 1.6% in the chancellor's budget.
Thing is, your banging on about how well we are doing while we're still an EU member state vs the Eurozone, so you're saying being an EU member is being good for us.
Now depending on what deal we get from Brexit will have a huge impact on "how well" we'll be doing 12 / 24 months afterwards.
Thing is though the whole world knows we're leaving the EU, and yet we still continue to outperform the Eurozone. Onwards and upwards for the UK while the Eurozone continues to go backwards.
So growth is going backwards now?
Did you read this in the Express?
You’re really amusing, it’s fun to see someone so blinded by an obsessive hate towards everything Europe that jump on any minuscule piece of news, ignoring the 99% of reports that contradict your preconceived ideas and believing the 1% you read in the Express/Daily Mail.
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"Oh dear the vultures are circling...on the eu ...will not be the same in 5 years time .."
We can all be smug if the UK does well from Brexit. It would be good for us!
However we should not be smug if the EU is in decline after we leave. Who is our largest export market? What would the effect on our economy be should our largest customers contract?
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Indeed, the one's hoping the EU fails seem to think we'll not be affected somehow "
When nationalism enters the brain, rational thinking flies out.
The Little Englanders want the EU to disintegrate because then they believe they can be top dogs and divide and rule.
As things stand, a united Europe leaves them firmly in the shade, just a shouty lot hurling abuse from an increasingly peripheral offshore island.
Sure, Brexit is an irritant. But it does not come anywhere near the top of the European priorities at the moment.
Ultimately, it is a UK decision to sever ties. Brexit will be whatever the UK makes of it, not the EU. It has bigger fish to fry.
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"Growth of GDP in the Eurozone has slumped to a 4 year low, halving from 0.4% in the last quarter to 0.2% now. It's pretty clear that the Eurozone is circling the drain, while economic growth in the UK was revised up from 1.3% to 1.6% in the chancellor's budget.
Thing is, your banging on about how well we are doing while we're still an EU member state vs the Eurozone, so you're saying being an EU member is being good for us.
Now depending on what deal we get from Brexit will have a huge impact on "how well" we'll be doing 12 / 24 months afterwards.
Thing is though the whole world knows we're leaving the EU, and yet we still continue to outperform the Eurozone. Onwards and upwards for the UK while the Eurozone continues to go backwards.
So growth is going backwards now?
Did you read this in the Express?
You’re really amusing, it’s fun to see someone so blinded by an obsessive hate towards everything Europe that jump on any minuscule piece of news, ignoring the 99% of reports that contradict your preconceived ideas and believing the 1% you read in the Express/Daily Mail.
Try using Google, you'll find it was also reported in the pro EU Guardian and the FT. "
There’s still economic growth, just less of it. My criticism is based on the poor interpretation of the facts by you the Express and Daily Mail.
You seem to believe any anti-European propaganda without question, and fiercely attack anyone and everything that is more measured and balanced. |
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I’d be wary before using this as evidence for brexit.
One, it’s a three month number. Swallows and summer and all that.
Two, it’s an average across many countries. Most could be better than the UK, with one bad Italian apple bringing it down.
Three, gdp isn’t a great measure in isolation. You can grow gdp by growing your population. Which is good but not great. Especially if you plan to curb population growth.
And fourth, it gives no indication of how the uk would have performed if we weren’t leaving. Maybe we would have cleaned up more if we were staying? Who knows.
This isn’t an anti brexit post. The same arguments could have been made if the eurozone outpaced us. |
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"Growth of GDP in the Eurozone has slumped to a 4 year low, halving from 0.4% in the last quarter to 0.2% now. It's pretty clear that the Eurozone is circling the drain, while economic growth in the UK was revised up from 1.3% to 1.6% in the chancellor's budget.
a) as everyone as pointed you are comparing last quaters numbers to next years forecasts...
conclusion: you are a dingbat who is comparing apples to oranges....
b) if you want to REALLY compare the numbers....
OBR forecast for 19/20 growth for the UK Economy has been uprated from 1.3 to 1.6%
European commission Forecast for the 19/20 growth for the European Economy is 2.3% for the whole EU, 2.0% for the Eurozone
Conclusion: you are in fact... a dingbat who is gloating over slower GDP growth!!! well done you!!!!!
honestly.... my god you are a prize plum!!!
p.s i can do it country by country if you wish.... "
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"Growth of GDP in the Eurozone has slumped to a 4 year low, halving from 0.4% in the last quarter to 0.2% now. It's pretty clear that the Eurozone is circling the drain, while economic growth in the UK was revised up from 1.3% to 1.6% in the chancellor's budget.
Thing is, your banging on about how well we are doing while we're still an EU member state vs the Eurozone, so you're saying being an EU member is being good for us.
Now depending on what deal we get from Brexit will have a huge impact on "how well" we'll be doing 12 / 24 months afterwards."
So when we haven't done so well, is that also because we're an EU member state, so being an EU member is not good for us? |
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"Growth of GDP in the Eurozone has slumped to a 4 year low, halving from 0.4% in the last quarter to 0.2% now. It's pretty clear that the Eurozone is circling the drain, while economic growth in the UK was revised up from 1.3% to 1.6% in the chancellor's budget.
a) as everyone as pointed you are comparing last quaters numbers to next years forecasts...
conclusion: you are a dingbat who is comparing apples to oranges....
b) if you want to REALLY compare the numbers....
OBR forecast for 19/20 growth for the UK Economy has been uprated from 1.3 to 1.6%
European commission Forecast for the 19/20 growth for the European Economy is 2.3% for the whole EU, 2.0% for the Eurozone
Conclusion: you are in fact... a dingbat who is gloating over slower GDP growth!!! well done you!!!!!
honestly.... my god you are a prize plum!!!
p.s i can do it country by country if you wish.... "
To be balanced, unless OBR have a “non leaving” forecast, it’s still not informing the argument. Maybe we’d be one of the Poorer performers if we stayed and 1.6% is better than where we would be. Who knows ? |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"Growth of GDP in the Eurozone has slumped to a 4 year low, halving from 0.4% in the last quarter to 0.2% now. It's pretty clear that the Eurozone is circling the drain, while economic growth in the UK was revised up from 1.3% to 1.6% in the chancellor's budget.
a) as everyone as pointed you are comparing last quaters numbers to next years forecasts...
conclusion: you are a dingbat who is comparing apples to oranges....
b) if you want to REALLY compare the numbers....
OBR forecast for 19/20 growth for the UK Economy has been uprated from 1.3 to 1.6%
European commission Forecast for the 19/20 growth for the European Economy is 2.3% for the whole EU, 2.0% for the Eurozone
Conclusion: you are in fact... a dingbat who is gloating over slower GDP growth!!! well done you!!!!!
honestly.... my god you are a prize plum!!!
p.s i can do it country by country if you wish....
To be balanced, unless OBR have a “non leaving” forecast, it’s still not informing the argument. Maybe we’d be one of the Poorer performers if we stayed and 1.6% is better than where we would be. Who knows ?"
the OBR took that into consideration last year when they revised all of the future forecasts shaprly downwards.....
this is basically taken in from "full on shitshow" to "its still a shitshow, but only marginally better than we thought"....
but hey... lets all go "full centy" and celebrate! |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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the other thing that "dingbat" failed to also recognise/acknowledge is that the UK has gone from being the strongest growing economy in EU.... to being the Weakest growing economy in the EU!
so yey... lets cheer for revised upward figures, but it doesn't mask what has happened to the forecasts and the reality since the vote.... |
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"Growth of GDP in the Eurozone has slumped to a 4 year low, halving from 0.4% in the last quarter to 0.2% now. It's pretty clear that the Eurozone is circling the drain, while economic growth in the UK was revised up from 1.3% to 1.6% in the chancellor's budget.
Thing is, your banging on about how well we are doing while we're still an EU member state vs the Eurozone, so you're saying being an EU member is being good for us.
Now depending on what deal we get from Brexit will have a huge impact on "how well" we'll be doing 12 / 24 months afterwards.
Thing is though the whole world knows we're leaving the EU, and yet we still continue to outperform the Eurozone. Onwards and upwards for the UK while the Eurozone continues to go backwards.
So growth is going backwards now?
Did you read this in the Express?
You’re really amusing, it’s fun to see someone so blinded by an obsessive hate towards everything Europe that jump on any minuscule piece of news, ignoring the 99% of reports that contradict your preconceived ideas and believing the 1% you read in the Express/Daily Mail.
Try using Google, you'll find it was also reported in the pro EU Guardian and the FT.
There’s still economic growth, just less of it. My criticism is based on the poor interpretation of the facts by you the Express and Daily Mail.
You seem to believe any anti-European propaganda without question, and fiercely attack anyone and everything that is more measured and balanced. "
You seem to be really struggling with this. There is no 'interpretation' of the facts, only the facts as they stand, and the numbers quoted will be the same whatever news source you care to look at. |
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"I’d be wary before using this as evidence for brexit.
One, it’s a three month number. Swallows and summer and all that.
Two, it’s an average across many countries. Most could be better than the UK, with one bad Italian apple bringing it down.
Three, gdp isn’t a great measure in isolation. You can grow gdp by growing your population. Which is good but not great. Especially if you plan to curb population growth.
And fourth, it gives no indication of how the uk would have performed if we weren’t leaving. Maybe we would have cleaned up more if we were staying? Who knows.
This isn’t an anti brexit post. The same arguments could have been made if the eurozone outpaced us. "
On your point one, you say it's a 3 month number but it's also a 4 year low in terms of growth for the Eurozone. Eurozone growth hasn't been as low as 0.2% since 2014. |
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"Growth of GDP in the Eurozone has slumped to a 4 year low, halving from 0.4% in the last quarter to 0.2% now. It's pretty clear that the Eurozone is circling the drain, while economic growth in the UK was revised up from 1.3% to 1.6% in the chancellor's budget.
a) as everyone as pointed you are comparing last quaters numbers to next years forecasts...
conclusion: you are a dingbat who is comparing apples to oranges....
b) if you want to REALLY compare the numbers....
OBR forecast for 19/20 growth for the UK Economy has been uprated from 1.3 to 1.6%
European commission Forecast for the 19/20 growth for the European Economy is 2.3% for the whole EU, 2.0% for the Eurozone
Conclusion: you are in fact... a dingbat who is gloating over slower GDP growth!!! well done you!!!!!
honestly.... my god you are a prize plum!!!
p.s i can do it country by country if you wish.... "
You really must be incredibly naive Fabio if you believe that European commission forecast for the Eurozone in 19/20.
The UK growth of 1.3% increase to 1.6% is at least plausible, a rise of 0.3% which is well within the uk's capability.
The European Commission on the other hand are telling you that Eurozone growth will shoot up from 0.2% now to 2.0% in 19/20. If you believe the Eurozone is going to shoot up that much (a rise of 1.8%) then frankly you'll believe anything. |
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"the other thing that "dingbat" failed to also recognise/acknowledge is that the UK has gone from being the strongest growing economy in EU.... to being the Weakest growing economy in the EU!
so yey... lets cheer for revised upward figures, but it doesn't mask what has happened to the forecasts and the reality since the vote...."
If people are so confident we’re going to be worse off, is it not time to invest? |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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You really must be incredibly naive Fabio if you believe that European commission forecast for the Eurozone in 19/20.
The UK growth of 1.3% increase to 1.6% is at least plausible, a rise of 0.3% which is well within the uk's capability.
The European Commission on the other hand are telling you that Eurozone growth will shoot up from 0.2% now to 2.0% in 19/20. If you believe the Eurozone is going to shoot up that much (a rise of 1.8%) then frankly you'll believe anything. "
Lolol
You find some "experts" whose figures fit your narrative and they are to be trusted.
Those same "experts" whose figures do not fit your narrative, of course, they are not to be trusted.
if I could be bothered, I'm sure I could scroll through your posts and find you trashing those same British "experts" when pessimistic about the impact of Brexit on UK growth.
The forecast for annual growth in the Eurozone in the last 12 months was 1.8%. The actual growth was 1.7%.
The UK forecast is based on trade between the UK and EU27 being largely unaffected by the UK's exit from the EU on March 27.
Which is quite a big unknown to factor into any forecasts.
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By *ara JTV/TS
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And I love it how you deliberately confuse quarterly figures for the Eurozone with annual figures for the UK, as if they are comparable.
You would not survive very long as a spin doctor - your story is full of holes.
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"Growth of GDP in the Eurozone has slumped to a 4 year low, halving from 0.4% in the last quarter to 0.2% now. It's pretty clear that the Eurozone is circling the drain, while economic growth in the UK was revised up from 1.3% to 1.6% in the chancellor's budget.
Thing is, your banging on about how well we are doing while we're still an EU member state vs the Eurozone, so you're saying being an EU member is being good for us.
Now depending on what deal we get from Brexit will have a huge impact on "how well" we'll be doing 12 / 24 months afterwards.
Thing is though the whole world knows we're leaving the EU, and yet we still continue to outperform the Eurozone. Onwards and upwards for the UK while the Eurozone continues to go backwards.
So growth is going backwards now?
Did you read this in the Express?
You’re really amusing, it’s fun to see someone so blinded by an obsessive hate towards everything Europe that jump on any minuscule piece of news, ignoring the 99% of reports that contradict your preconceived ideas and believing the 1% you read in the Express/Daily Mail.
Try using Google, you'll find it was also reported in the pro EU Guardian and the FT.
There’s still economic growth, just less of it. My criticism is based on the poor interpretation of the facts by you the Express and Daily Mail.
You seem to believe any anti-European propaganda without question, and fiercely attack anyone and everything that is more measured and balanced.
You seem to be really struggling with this. There is no 'interpretation' of the facts, only the facts as they stand, and the numbers quoted will be the same whatever news source you care to look at. "
I’ll remind you. Your interpretation in the first post was “. It's pretty clear that the Eurozone is circling the drain”.
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There are facts: spurs lost their last game, Brighton won there’s.
There is context: spurs lost to Man City. Brighton beat wolves.
There is interpretation and prediction: this means Brighton is better than spurs. Brighton will finish above spurs.
Quoting one three month gdp is fact. Going straight to interpretation tends to show vested interest ! |
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"And I love it how you deliberately confuse quarterly figures for the Eurozone with annual figures for the UK, as if they are comparable.
You would not survive very long as a spin doctor - your story is full of holes.
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A bit like using an old image of a run down British seaside town in an election campaign - which has subsequently been transformed - but it was like that some years ago - surely the US has "it's own shitholes" it could use? Why use a British town - maybe they were responsible for their own? |
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"Growth of GDP in the Eurozone has slumped to a 4 year low, halving from 0.4% in the last quarter to 0.2% now. It's pretty clear that the Eurozone is circling the drain, while economic growth in the UK was revised up from 1.3% to 1.6% in the chancellor's budget.
Thing is, your banging on about how well we are doing while we're still an EU member state vs the Eurozone, so you're saying being an EU member is being good for us.
Now depending on what deal we get from Brexit will have a huge impact on "how well" we'll be doing 12 / 24 months afterwards.
So when we haven't done so well, is that also because we're an EU member state, so being an EU member is not good for us?"
We we're doing very well until the referendum result then growth hit the skids somewhat.
Obviously you could argue it was mainly the Brexit result or you could argue it was going to happen anyway, one side would be easier to argue for than the other. |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"Growth of GDP in the Eurozone has slumped to a 4 year low, halving from 0.4% in the last quarter to 0.2% now. It's pretty clear that the Eurozone is circling the drain, while economic growth in the UK was revised up from 1.3% to 1.6% in the chancellor's budget.
Thing is, your banging on about how well we are doing while we're still an EU member state vs the Eurozone, so you're saying being an EU member is being good for us.
Now depending on what deal we get from Brexit will have a huge impact on "how well" we'll be doing 12 / 24 months afterwards.
So when we haven't done so well, is that also because we're an EU member state, so being an EU member is not good for us?
We we're doing very well until the referendum result then growth hit the skids somewhat.
Obviously you could argue it was mainly the Brexit result or you could argue it was going to happen anyway, one side would be easier to argue for than the other."
There were two very minor, technical recessions in the 30 years before we joined the EU, with no job losses....
And there have been 5 recessions during our membership in the EU... so you're saying being an EU member is bad for us....
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"Growth of GDP in the Eurozone has slumped to a 4 year low, halving from 0.4% in the last quarter to 0.2% now. It's pretty clear that the Eurozone is circling the drain, while economic growth in the UK was revised up from 1.3% to 1.6% in the chancellor's budget.
Thing is, your banging on about how well we are doing while we're still an EU member state vs the Eurozone, so you're saying being an EU member is being good for us.
Now depending on what deal we get from Brexit will have a huge impact on "how well" we'll be doing 12 / 24 months afterwards.
So when we haven't done so well, is that also because we're an EU member state, so being an EU member is not good for us?
We we're doing very well until the referendum result then growth hit the skids somewhat.
Obviously you could argue it was mainly the Brexit result or you could argue it was going to happen anyway, one side would be easier to argue for than the other.
There were two very minor, technical recessions in the 30 years before we joined the EU, with no job losses....
And there have been 5 recessions during our membership in the EU... so you're saying being an EU member is bad for us....
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Please provide your source so it can be checked?
I personally remember that we had loads of problems especially when we went to the IMF for a bailout (Wilson) and inflation at around 27%- so would welcome your source of knowledge - thank you in advance.
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"Growth of GDP in the Eurozone has slumped to a 4 year low, halving from 0.4% in the last quarter to 0.2% now. It's pretty clear that the Eurozone is circling the drain, while economic growth in the UK was revised up from 1.3% to 1.6% in the chancellor's budget.
Thing is, your banging on about how well we are doing while we're still an EU member state vs the Eurozone, so you're saying being an EU member is being good for us.
Now depending on what deal we get from Brexit will have a huge impact on "how well" we'll be doing 12 / 24 months afterwards.
So when we haven't done so well, is that also because we're an EU member state, so being an EU member is not good for us?
We we're doing very well until the referendum result then growth hit the skids somewhat.
Obviously you could argue it was mainly the Brexit result or you could argue it was going to happen anyway, one side would be easier to argue for than the other.
There were two very minor, technical recessions in the 30 years before we joined the EU, with no job losses....
And there have been 5 recessions during our membership in the EU... so you're saying being an EU member is bad for us....
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If the recessions we're caused by being in the EU then yes during those EU administered recessions membership would have been bad.
We're they though ? Over to you |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"Growth of GDP in the Eurozone has slumped to a 4 year low, halving from 0.4% in the last quarter to 0.2% now. It's pretty clear that the Eurozone is circling the drain, while economic growth in the UK was revised up from 1.3% to 1.6% in the chancellor's budget.
Thing is, your banging on about how well we are doing while we're still an EU member state vs the Eurozone, so you're saying being an EU member is being good for us.
Now depending on what deal we get from Brexit will have a huge impact on "how well" we'll be doing 12 / 24 months afterwards.
So when we haven't done so well, is that also because we're an EU member state, so being an EU member is not good for us?
We we're doing very well until the referendum result then growth hit the skids somewhat.
Obviously you could argue it was mainly the Brexit result or you could argue it was going to happen anyway, one side would be easier to argue for than the other.
There were two very minor, technical recessions in the 30 years before we joined the EU, with no job losses....
And there have been 5 recessions during our membership in the EU... so you're saying being an EU member is bad for us....
Please provide your source so it can be checked?
I personally remember that we had loads of problems especially when we went to the IMF for a bailout (Wilson) and inflation at around 27%- so would welcome your source of knowledge - thank you in advance.
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You only have to google....
UK IMF bailout.....1976
Inflation 27%......1974/75
Recessions.....1956. 2 quarters
...............1961 2 quarters
...............1973/74 3 quarters
...............1975. 2 quarters
...............1980/81 5 quarters
...............1990/91 5 quarters
...............2008/09 5 quarters
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"Growth of GDP in the Eurozone has slumped to a 4 year low, halving from 0.4% in the last quarter to 0.2% now. It's pretty clear that the Eurozone is circling the drain, while economic growth in the UK was revised up from 1.3% to 1.6% in the chancellor's budget.
Thing is, your banging on about how well we are doing while we're still an EU member state vs the Eurozone, so you're saying being an EU member is being good for us.
Now depending on what deal we get from Brexit will have a huge impact on "how well" we'll be doing 12 / 24 months afterwards.
So when we haven't done so well, is that also because we're an EU member state, so being an EU member is not good for us?
We we're doing very well until the referendum result then growth hit the skids somewhat.
Obviously you could argue it was mainly the Brexit result or you could argue it was going to happen anyway, one side would be easier to argue for than the other.
There were two very minor, technical recessions in the 30 years before we joined the EU, with no job losses....
And there have been 5 recessions during our membership in the EU... so you're saying being an EU member is bad for us....
Please provide your source so it can be checked?
I personally remember that we had loads of problems especially when we went to the IMF for a bailout (Wilson) and inflation at around 27%- so would welcome your source of knowledge - thank you in advance.
You only have to google....
UK IMF bailout.....1976
Inflation 27%......1974/75
Recessions.....1956. 2 quarters
...............1961 2 quarters
...............1973/74 3 quarters
...............1975. 2 quarters
...............1980/81 5 quarters
...............1990/91 5 quarters
...............2008/09 5 quarters
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Thank you - i will look further. But don't you think that a lot of the UK's economic problems are due to property values? When we get a realignment in property values out economy tanks?"
Globalisation.
It used to be said when the USA sneezed, the UK caught a cold.
By 2030, China will be bigger economically than the USA.
And by 2050, India and China together will be bigger than the combined GDP of the G7.
The slowdown in growth in the Eurozone is in part due to a slowdown in China and the effect on European exports. The rest of it is caused by stagnation in Italy and its economic illiterates at the wheel.
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over a year ago
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"Growth of GDP in the Eurozone has slumped to a 4 year low, halving from 0.4% in the last quarter to 0.2% now. It's pretty clear that the Eurozone is circling the drain, while economic growth in the UK was revised up from 1.3% to 1.6% in the chancellor's budget.
Thing is, your banging on about how well we are doing while we're still an EU member state vs the Eurozone, so you're saying being an EU member is being good for us.
Now depending on what deal we get from Brexit will have a huge impact on "how well" we'll be doing 12 / 24 months afterwards.
So when we haven't done so well, is that also because we're an EU member state, so being an EU member is not good for us?
We we're doing very well until the referendum result then growth hit the skids somewhat.
Obviously you could argue it was mainly the Brexit result or you could argue it was going to happen anyway, one side would be easier to argue for than the other.
There were two very minor, technical recessions in the 30 years before we joined the EU, with no job losses....
And there have been 5 recessions during our membership in the EU... so you're saying being an EU member is bad for us....
Please provide your source so it can be checked?
I personally remember that we had loads of problems especially when we went to the IMF for a bailout (Wilson) and inflation at around 27%- so would welcome your source of knowledge - thank you in advance.
You only have to google....
UK IMF bailout.....1976
Inflation 27%......1974/75
Recessions.....1956. 2 quarters
...............1961 2 quarters
...............1973/74 3 quarters
...............1975. 2 quarters
...............1980/81 5 quarters
...............1990/91 5 quarters
...............2008/09 5 quarters
Thank you - i will look further. But don't you think that a lot of the UK's economic problems are due to property values? When we get a realignment in property values out economy tanks?"
Or is it the other way round...property prices fall when the economy dips?
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"Growth of GDP in the Eurozone has slumped to a 4 year low, halving from 0.4% in the last quarter to 0.2% now. It's pretty clear that the Eurozone is circling the drain, while economic growth in the UK was revised up from 1.3% to 1.6% in the chancellor's budget.
Thing is, your banging on about how well we are doing while we're still an EU member state vs the Eurozone, so you're saying being an EU member is being good for us.
Now depending on what deal we get from Brexit will have a huge impact on "how well" we'll be doing 12 / 24 months afterwards.
So when we haven't done so well, is that also because we're an EU member state, so being an EU member is not good for us?
We we're doing very well until the referendum result then growth hit the skids somewhat.
Obviously you could argue it was mainly the Brexit result or you could argue it was going to happen anyway, one side would be easier to argue for than the other.
There were two very minor, technical recessions in the 30 years before we joined the EU, with no job losses....
And there have been 5 recessions during our membership in the EU... so you're saying being an EU member is bad for us....
Please provide your source so it can be checked?
I personally remember that we had loads of problems especially when we went to the IMF for a bailout (Wilson) and inflation at around 27%- so would welcome your source of knowledge - thank you in advance.
You only have to google....
UK IMF bailout.....1976
Inflation 27%......1974/75
Recessions.....1956. 2 quarters
...............1961 2 quarters
...............1973/74 3 quarters
...............1975. 2 quarters
...............1980/81 5 quarters
...............1990/91 5 quarters
...............2008/09 5 quarters
Thank you - i will look further. But don't you think that a lot of the UK's economic problems are due to property values? When we get a realignment in property values out economy tanks?
Or is it the other way round...property prices fall when the economy dips?
I bought a property in 1989, and by end of 92 it had lost about 40% of its value."
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Thank you - i will look further. But don't you think that a lot of the UK's economic problems are due to property values? When we get a realignment in property values out economy tanks?
Globalisation.
It used to be said when the USA sneezed, the UK caught a cold.
By 2030, China will be bigger economically than the USA.
And by 2050, India and China together will be bigger than the combined GDP of the G7.
The slowdown in growth in the Eurozone is in part due to a slowdown in China and the effect on European exports. The rest of it is caused by stagnation in Italy and its economic illiterates at the wheel.
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Thank you - i will look further. But don't you think that a lot of the UK's economic problems are due to property values? When we get a realignment in property values out economy tanks?
Globalisation.
It used to be said when the USA sneezed, the UK caught a cold.
By 2030, China will be bigger economically than the USA.
And by 2050, India and China together will be bigger than the combined GDP of the G7.
The slowdown in growth in the Eurozone is in part due to a slowdown in China and the effect on European exports. The rest of it is caused by stagnation in Italy and its economic illiterates at the wheel.
That would be the USA, China and India that the EU doesn't have trade deals with. "
woukd trade deals make China go faster ? |
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Thing is though the whole world knows we're leaving the EU, and yet we still continue to outperform the Eurozone. Onwards and upwards for the UK while the Eurozone continues to go backwards.
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How is the Eurozone going backwards centaur when their still growing ?
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Thing is though the whole world knows we're leaving the EU, and yet we still continue to outperform the Eurozone. Onwards and upwards for the UK while the Eurozone continues to go backwards.
How is the Eurozone going backwards centaur when their still growing ?
This reply will be interesting to read "
I’m going to guess..... he won’t reply. Or if he does it will be along the lines of either
1. But Corbyn didn’t sign the Anti Semitic thing.
2. But an economist somewhere said Brexit might be ok
3. Something about “Loony left”, “snowflakes” or “libtards” |
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Thing is though the whole world knows we're leaving the EU, and yet we still continue to outperform the Eurozone. Onwards and upwards for the UK while the Eurozone continues to go backwards.
How is the Eurozone going backwards centaur when their still growing ?
This reply will be interesting to read
I’m going to guess..... he won’t reply. Or if he does it will be along the lines of either
1. But Corbyn didn’t sign the Anti Semitic thing.
2. But an economist somewhere said Brexit might be ok
3. Something about “Loony left”, “snowflakes” or “libtards”"
Yep, add this to the list of questions never answered by centy because he'd have to contradict himself
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By *ara JTV/TS
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That would be the USA, China and India that the EU doesn't have trade deals with. "
Not sure what your point is.
The EU is China's largest trading partner, and China is the EU's second largest trade partner after the United States.
Most of this trade is in industrial and manufactured goods. Between 2009 and 2010 alone EU exports to China increased by 38% and China's exports to the EU increased by 31%.
In the context of the OP, it helps to explain why Eurozone growth is slightly lower at 1.7 %.
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That would be the USA, China and India that the EU doesn't have trade deals with.
Not sure what your point is.
The EU is China's largest trading partner, and China is the EU's second largest trade partner after the United States.
Most of this trade is in industrial and manufactured goods. Between 2009 and 2010 alone EU exports to China increased by 38% and China's exports to the EU increased by 31%.
In the context of the OP, it helps to explain why Eurozone growth is slightly lower at 1.7 %.
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As we see from the news JLR are down in sales which is mainly due to a big drop in China. The reason being is the Trump trade was is hurting the Chinese economy causing it to slow down. Which is why the world doesn't want trade war's ! So it comes back to America first but he clearly doesn't understand trade unless he selling more than he is buying. A classic example is tv's bought in America are mainly built in Korea and sold for $200 approximately - they can't make them for that price so they don't. So who wins? Do you want a US brand at $100 more? As a car advert says "you do the maths"! |
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The American economy depends on the "Made in China" logo on all the products they consume, China does not depend on "Made in the USA" what so ever.
There will only be one real looser out of this and it won't be China. |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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That would be the USA, China and India that the EU doesn't have trade deals with.
Not sure what your point is.
The EU is China's largest trading partner, and China is the EU's second largest trade partner after the United States.
Most of this trade is in industrial and manufactured goods. Between 2009 and 2010 alone EU exports to China increased by 38% and China's exports to the EU increased by 31%.
In the context of the OP, it helps to explain why Eurozone growth is slightly lower at 1.7 %.
As we see from the news JLR are down in sales which is mainly due to a big drop in China. The reason being is the Trump trade was is hurting the Chinese economy causing it to slow down. Which is why the world doesn't want trade war's ! So it comes back to America first but he clearly doesn't understand trade unless he selling more than he is buying. A classic example is tv's bought in America are mainly built in Korea and sold for $200 approximately - they can't make them for that price so they don't. So who wins? Do you want a US brand at $100 more? As a car advert says "you do the maths"!"
Thats part of the problem, no country can prosper long term if the trade is out of balance, if jobs go abroad then those workers wont have money to buy goods where ever they are made. Many complain about the rich folk getting even richer well if trade balances become to far out of kilter then the affect on countries will be the same, yes I know the US is still rich as a whole but thre poor there are complaining and one way trump sees to rebalance that is to slow imports, in reality its a very complex issue with of course population numbers and environmental issues to consider as well |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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That would be the USA, China and India that the EU doesn't have trade deals with.
Not sure what your point is.
The EU is China's largest trading partner, and China is the EU's second largest trade partner after the United States.
Most of this trade is in industrial and manufactured goods. Between 2009 and 2010 alone EU exports to China increased by 38% and China's exports to the EU increased by 31%.
In the context of the OP, it helps to explain why Eurozone growth is slightly lower at 1.7 %.
As we see from the news JLR are down in sales which is mainly due to a big drop in China. The reason being is the Trump trade was is hurting the Chinese economy causing it to slow down. Which is why the world doesn't want trade war's ! So it comes back to America first but he clearly doesn't understand trade unless he selling more than he is buying. A classic example is tv's bought in America are mainly built in Korea and sold for $200 approximately - they can't make them for that price so they don't. So who wins? Do you want a US brand at $100 more? As a car advert says "you do the maths"!
Thats part of the problem, no country can prosper long term if the trade is out of balance, if jobs go abroad then those workers wont have money to buy goods where ever they are made. Many complain about the rich folk getting even richer well if trade balances become to far out of kilter then the affect on countries will be the same, yes I know the US is still rich as a whole but thre poor there are complaining and one way trump sees to rebalance that is to slow imports, in reality its a very complex issue with of course population numbers and environmental issues to consider as well"
Exactly. Hence the '4 freedoms' of the EU single market. The idea that workers, jobs, capital can all move freely means that they can balance out an equalise as necessary and you don't end up with jobs or finances being moved, but people being unable to follow. Obviously that only works within the single market, but that is as least the idea behind it.
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Exactly. Hence the '4 freedoms' of the EU single market. The idea that workers, jobs, capital can all move freely means that they can balance out an equalise as necessary and you don't end up with jobs or finances being moved, but people being unable to follow. Obviously that only works within the single market, but that is as least the idea behind it.
-Matt"
if an economy as big as the US is losing out to the likes of china/india or other low cost areas then the world needs to take note,many would say that the creation of the Euro was to help the german exporters which of course it has done but ask the greeks and increasingly the Italians and it doesnt look so great, in time the people who live in china/India etc will want to buy the luxury goods that cost a lot of money and it will balance up again, of course as long as the current rich countries havent descended into civil war, this unhappiness is one of the drivers that led to brexit but the clever people are more concerned about their own well being to accept that and just call leave voters old/thick or racist, those that blame immigration MIGHT be blaming the wrong target but their concerns about their families futures need addressing and if they arent then trouble will increase, as many love to point out europe needs to look back to the late 20s/30s to see how it ends |
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Exactly. Hence the '4 freedoms' of the EU single market. The idea that workers, jobs, capital can all move freely means that they can balance out an equalise as necessary and you don't end up with jobs or finances being moved, but people being unable to follow. Obviously that only works within the single market, but that is as least the idea behind it.
-Matt
if an economy as big as the US is losing out to the likes of china/india or other low cost areas then the world needs to take note,many would say that the creation of the Euro was to help the german exporters which of course it has done but ask the greeks and increasingly the Italians and it doesnt look so great, in time the people who live in china/India etc will want to buy the luxury goods that cost a lot of money and it will balance up again, of course as long as the current rich countries havent descended into civil war, this unhappiness is one of the drivers that led to brexit but the clever people are more concerned about their own well being to accept that and just call leave voters old/thick or racist, those that blame immigration MIGHT be blaming the wrong target but their concerns about their families futures need addressing and if they arent then trouble will increase, as many love to point out europe needs to look back to the late 20s/30s to see how it ends"
Once upon a time the countries of the world were ruled by governments, today they world is run by big business! It's never going to be "fair" because it's all about maximum profit as opposed to "moral responsibility ". Hence companies make goods where it's cheaper labour - some exceptions to the rule. But it's like taxes - head offices are domiciled in low tax countries. How do you fix it - global cooperation to plug the loopholes? |
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"comparing figures from the last quarter to figures from a period in the future pmsl ... comedy gold "
Ok then, let's compare the last quarter of growth in the Eurozone to the last quarter of growth in the UK.
The last quarter of growth for the Eurozone was 0.2%
The last quarter of growth for the UK was 0.6%
That makes UK growth 3 times better than the Eurozone. |
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Thing is though the whole world knows we're leaving the EU, and yet we still continue to outperform the Eurozone. Onwards and upwards for the UK while the Eurozone continues to go backwards.
How is the Eurozone going backwards centaur when their still growing ?
This reply will be interesting to read "
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If anyone needed any more further proof that the EU is going backwards while the UK continues to outperform the EU and the Eurozone the latest job figures make interesting reading.
Youth unemployment in Spain of 34%
Youth unemployment in Italy of 32%
Youth unemployment in France of 20.4%
Meanwhile youth unemployment in the UK is down at 11.5%
Overall unemployment of 15% in Spain.
Overall unemployment of 10% in Italy.
Overall unemployment of 9.3% in France.
Meanwhile overall unemployment in the UK is down at just 4%.
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"comparing figures from the last quarter to figures from a period in the future pmsl ... comedy gold
Ok then, let's compare the last quarter of growth in the Eurozone to the last quarter of growth in the UK.
The last quarter of growth for the Eurozone was 0.2%
The last quarter of growth for the UK was 0.6%
That makes UK growth 3 times better than the Eurozone. "
One swallow etc
Some of the underlying trends look less hot. All the growth was in July (hot month, World Cup) and investments into businesses was down (an early indicator ?)
A wins a win, but I’m not sure if we’re “in form”, turned the corner or if it’s a one off result.
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"If anyone needed any more further proof that the EU is going backwards while the UK continues to outperform the EU and the Eurozone the latest job figures make interesting reading.
Youth unemployment in Spain of 34%
Youth unemployment in Italy of 32%
Youth unemployment in France of 20.4%
Meanwhile youth unemployment in the UK is down at 11.5%
Overall unemployment of 15% in Spain.
Overall unemployment of 10% in Italy.
Overall unemployment of 9.3% in France.
Meanwhile overall unemployment in the UK is down at just 4%.
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How many jobs does the UK have on Zero Hours contracts? How many Zero Hour contracts do the above countries have ? I will help you - France has 0! |
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"If anyone needed any more further proof that the EU is going backwards while the UK continues to outperform the EU and the Eurozone the latest job figures make interesting reading.
Youth unemployment in Spain of 34%
Youth unemployment in Italy of 32%
Youth unemployment in France of 20.4%
Meanwhile youth unemployment in the UK is down at 11.5%
Overall unemployment of 15% in Spain.
Overall unemployment of 10% in Italy.
Overall unemployment of 9.3% in France.
Meanwhile overall unemployment in the UK is down at just 4%.
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You obviously pick the snap shots to fit your argument. If you look at the full picture it tells a different story.
Do you not get tired of constantly flogging this dead horse and being proved wrong?
I admire your resilience though. |
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"If anyone needed any more further proof that the EU is going backwards while the UK continues to outperform the EU and the Eurozone the latest job figures make interesting reading.
Youth unemployment in Spain of 34%
Youth unemployment in Italy of 32%
Youth unemployment in France of 20.4%
Meanwhile youth unemployment in the UK is down at 11.5%
Overall unemployment of 15% in Spain.
Overall unemployment of 10% in Italy.
Overall unemployment of 9.3% in France.
Meanwhile overall unemployment in the UK is down at just 4%.
How many jobs does the UK have on Zero Hours contracts? How many Zero Hour contracts do the above countries have ? I will help you - France has 0! "
Help you again as at November 2017 the UK had a mere 1.8 million zero hour contracts. Now spin that - amazing what you can do with figures! |
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"And I love it how you deliberately confuse quarterly figures for the Eurozone with annual figures for the UK, as if they are comparable.
You would not survive very long as a spin doctor - your story is full of holes.
A bit like using an old image of a run down British seaside town in an election campaign - which has subsequently been transformed - but it was like that some years ago - surely the US has "it's own shitholes" it could use? Why use a British town - maybe they were responsible for their own?
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To be fair, Jaywick is Just one step up from shithole now.
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"If anyone needed any more further proof that the EU is going backwards while the UK continues to outperform the EU and the Eurozone the latest job figures make interesting reading.
Youth unemployment in Spain of 34%
Youth unemployment in Italy of 32%
Youth unemployment in France of 20.4%
Meanwhile youth unemployment in the UK is down at 11.5%
Overall unemployment of 15% in Spain.
Overall unemployment of 10% in Italy.
Overall unemployment of 9.3% in France.
Meanwhile overall unemployment in the UK is down at just 4%.
How many jobs does the UK have on Zero Hours contracts? How many Zero Hour contracts do the above countries have ? I will help you - France has 0!
Help you again as at November 2017 the UK had a mere 1.8 million zero hour contracts. Now spin that - amazing what you can do with figures!"
What's the matter, touched a nerve that the UK is outperforming France, Lol. |
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Thing is though the whole world knows we're leaving the EU, and yet we still continue to outperform the Eurozone. Onwards and upwards for the UK while the Eurozone continues to go backwards.
How is the Eurozone going backwards centaur when their still growing ?
This reply will be interesting to read
Just incase you missed it again "
Ignored / side stepped again.
I've never known someone who is constantly so inconsistent in their alternative facts fantasy.
When the UK growth hit the skids after the referendum you were championing it as still growing even though it nearly stalled, yet when the EU growth figures as a whole is low you don't champion it as good growth but circling the drain.
I wonder if you're even capable of being even minded at all or are you just so tainted from your bitterness towards the EU it's just beyond your capability.
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"If anyone needed any more further proof that the EU is going backwards while the UK continues to outperform the EU and the Eurozone the latest job figures make interesting reading.
Youth unemployment in Spain of 34%
Youth unemployment in Italy of 32%
Youth unemployment in France of 20.4%
Meanwhile youth unemployment in the UK is down at 11.5%
Overall unemployment of 15% in Spain.
Overall unemployment of 10% in Italy.
Overall unemployment of 9.3% in France.
Meanwhile overall unemployment in the UK is down at just 4%.
You obviously pick the snap shots to fit your argument. If you look at the full picture it tells a different story.
Do you not get tired of constantly flogging this dead horse and being proved wrong?
I admire your resilience though. "
The full picture has been laid out in the thread. The UK GDP growth is better than the Eurozone (3 times better in the last quarter in fact). And the UK jobs market is outperforming that of major EU countries like Spain, Italy and France (and actually a lot more EU countries besides).
So do you care to point out where exactly do you think I've been proved wrong? |
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over a year ago
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but that still doesn't answer your first post centy... lets go back and refresh your memory shall we....
"Growth of GDP in the Eurozone has slumped to a 4 year low, halving from 0.4% in the last quarter to 0.2% now. It's pretty clear that the Eurozone is circling the drain, while economic growth in the UK was revised up from 1.3% to 1.6% in the chancellor's budget. "
if the OBR have revised their economic GDP growth figures up from 1.3 to 1.6% for 19/20
and the European Commison (who do the same statistics for the Eurozone) using exactly the same statistical methods project that the Economic GDP Growth figures for the Eurozone for 19/20 is 2%
which economic area's growth is "growing faster????
since the both use exactly the same methods to work out these figures.... you have to accept that both are legitimate, or neither is!
after all, if all international figures were not calculated the same, you wouldn't be able to make the comparisons....
so... again... based on the projected economic figures... which area will is more likely to have the higher growth? the UK or the Eurozone....
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"so the UK economy is booming because of EU membership ... good work  "
So by that logic when the UK has done badly in the past that was also because of our EU membership was it?
Anything bad it's because of Brexit, anything good it's because we haven't left yet, lol, your posts are comedy gold on here. |
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"If anyone needed any more further proof that the EU is going backwards while the UK continues to outperform the EU and the Eurozone the latest job figures make interesting reading.
Youth unemployment in Spain of 34%
Youth unemployment in Italy of 32%
Youth unemployment in France of 20.4%
Meanwhile youth unemployment in the UK is down at 11.5%
Overall unemployment of 15% in Spain.
Overall unemployment of 10% in Italy.
Overall unemployment of 9.3% in France.
Meanwhile overall unemployment in the UK is down at just 4%.
How many jobs does the UK have on Zero Hours contracts? How many Zero Hour contracts do the above countries have ? I will help you - France has 0!
Help you again as at November 2017 the UK had a mere 1.8 million zero hour contracts. Now spin that - amazing what you can do with figures!
What's the matter, touched a nerve that the UK is outperforming France, Lol. "
No not at all - just making the point the French would not work on that basis - we don't envy anyone working on Zero Hours contracts! Are you on one? |
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Thing is though the whole world knows we're leaving the EU, and yet we still continue to outperform the Eurozone. Onwards and upwards for the UK while the Eurozone continues to go backwards.
How is the Eurozone going backwards centaur when their still growing ?
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Ignored / side stepped again.
I've never known someone who is constantly so inconsistent in their alternative facts fantasy.
When the UK growth hit the skids after the referendum you were championing it as still growing even though it nearly stalled, yet when the EU growth figures as a whole is low you don't champion it as good growth but circling the drain.
I wonder if you're even capable of being even minded at all or are you just so tainted from your bitterness towards the EU it's just beyond your capability.
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You're another one Andy who blames anything bad on Brexit, and any good news that comes along its the same old "because we haven't left yet" line. JandS challenged you over this earlier in the thread and I notice you never gave a proper response and chose to ignore it, Pot and Kettle springs to mind!!! |
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we certainly aren't booming because we are no longer a member of the eu, because we are a member of the EU, so the booming economy is because we are a member of the EU .... maybe there is one or two idiotic clowns who find that simple truth too difficult to understand |
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"we certainly aren't booming because we are no longer a member of the eu, because we are a member of the EU, so the booming economy is because we are a member of the EU .... maybe there is one or two idiotic clowns who find that simple truth too difficult to understand"
And as JandS pointed out earlier in the thread, we had 3 major recessions since joining the EU in the 1970's, by your logic the UK did piss poor during those recessions because of our membership of the EU. |
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"If anyone needed any more further proof that the EU is going backwards while the UK continues to outperform the EU and the Eurozone the latest job figures make interesting reading.
Youth unemployment in Spain of 34%
Youth unemployment in Italy of 32%
Youth unemployment in France of 20.4%
Meanwhile youth unemployment in the UK is down at 11.5%
Overall unemployment of 15% in Spain.
Overall unemployment of 10% in Italy.
Overall unemployment of 9.3% in France.
Meanwhile overall unemployment in the UK is down at just 4%.
How many jobs does the UK have on Zero Hours contracts? How many Zero Hour contracts do the above countries have ? I will help you - France has 0!
Help you again as at November 2017 the UK had a mere 1.8 million zero hour contracts. Now spin that - amazing what you can do with figures!
What's the matter, touched a nerve that the UK is outperforming France, Lol.
No not at all - just making the point the French would not work on that basis - we don't envy anyone working on Zero Hours contracts! Are you on one? "
No I'm in full time employment thanks, but I don't have this snooty, snobbish attitude you seem to have by looking down your nose at people on zero hours contracts. Many people prefer the flexibility that a zero hours contract job brings them, they are working and paying tax to the UK treasury so I only see that as a good thing. And if those jobs help to put France's jobs figures in the shade then all the better. |
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"glad that we have cleared up the insoluble fact that we are booming because we are EU members "
And again your logic says we've had 3 major recessions over the last 40 years because of our EU membership. Glad we cleared that up. |
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"If anyone needed any more further proof that the EU is going backwards while the UK continues to outperform the EU and the Eurozone the latest job figures make interesting reading.
Youth unemployment in Spain of 34%
Youth unemployment in Italy of 32%
Youth unemployment in France of 20.4%
Meanwhile youth unemployment in the UK is down at 11.5%
Overall unemployment of 15% in Spain.
Overall unemployment of 10% in Italy.
Overall unemployment of 9.3% in France.
Meanwhile overall unemployment in the UK is down at just 4%.
How many jobs does the UK have on Zero Hours contracts? How many Zero Hour contracts do the above countries have ? I will help you - France has 0!
Help you again as at November 2017 the UK had a mere 1.8 million zero hour contracts. Now spin that - amazing what you can do with figures!
What's the matter, touched a nerve that the UK is outperforming France, Lol.
No not at all - just making the point the French would not work on that basis - we don't envy anyone working on Zero Hours contracts! Are you on one?
No I'm in full time employment thanks, but I don't have this snooty, snobbish attitude you seem to have by looking down your nose at people on zero hours contracts. Many people prefer the flexibility that a zero hours contract job brings them, they are working and paying tax to the UK treasury so I only see that as a good thing. And if those jobs help to put France's jobs figures in the shade then all the better. "
Many people? I'll wager not 1.8m of them. There is no need to use zero hours contracts to have a flexible workforce, there are, and always have been plenty of ways of building flexibility into working hours which do not include the punitive and restrictive elements of zero hours contracts. |
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"If anyone needed any more further proof that the EU is going backwards while the UK continues to outperform the EU and the Eurozone the latest job figures make interesting reading.
Youth unemployment in Spain of 34%
Youth unemployment in Italy of 32%
Youth unemployment in France of 20.4%
Meanwhile youth unemployment in the UK is down at 11.5%
Overall unemployment of 15% in Spain.
Overall unemployment of 10% in Italy.
Overall unemployment of 9.3% in France.
Meanwhile overall unemployment in the UK is down at just 4%.
How many jobs does the UK have on Zero Hours contracts? How many Zero Hour contracts do the above countries have ? I will help you - France has 0!
Help you again as at November 2017 the UK had a mere 1.8 million zero hour contracts. Now spin that - amazing what you can do with figures!
What's the matter, touched a nerve that the UK is outperforming France, Lol.
No not at all - just making the point the French would not work on that basis - we don't envy anyone working on Zero Hours contracts! Are you on one?
No I'm in full time employment thanks, but I don't have this snooty, snobbish attitude you seem to have by looking down your nose at people on zero hours contracts. Many people prefer the flexibility that a zero hours contract job brings them, they are working and paying tax to the UK treasury so I only see that as a good thing. And if those jobs help to put France's jobs figures in the shade then all the better. "
On the contrary I think it's modern day slavery having to have a zero hour contract! Nothing snooty at all, in fact why would a rich country like Britain (5/6th in the World ) feel an unsecured job as fair in 2018? Perhaps you may end up on one of brexit goes wrong? Finally I have tried to explain zero hours contracts to the French - they just don't understand why anyone would take one with absolutely no guarantees! |
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Thing is though the whole world knows we're leaving the EU, and yet we still continue to outperform the Eurozone. Onwards and upwards for the UK while the Eurozone continues to go backwards.
How is the Eurozone going backwards centaur when their still growing ?
This reply will be interesting to read
Just incase you missed it again
Ignored / side stepped again.
I've never known someone who is constantly so inconsistent in their alternative facts fantasy.
When the UK growth hit the skids after the referendum you were championing it as still growing even though it nearly stalled, yet when the EU growth figures as a whole is low you don't champion it as good growth but circling the drain.
I wonder if you're even capable of being even minded at all or are you just so tainted from your bitterness towards the EU it's just beyond your capability.
You're another one Andy who blames anything bad on Brexit, and any good news that comes along its the same old "because we haven't left yet" line. JandS challenged you over this earlier in the thread and I notice you never gave a proper response and chose to ignore it, Pot and Kettle springs to mind!!!"
Such a stupid reply as ever while shooting yourself in the foot, like normal.
1. I don't blame everything bad on Brexit, I only post facts and challenge mainly your fiction, which if the facts don't fit your narrative that's not my problem is it
2. I responded to J&S twice about recessions, which they sort of implied the recessions we're caused by the EU.
So I agreed with them that being a member during the EU created recessions was bad for us, IF THE RECESSIONS WERE EU CAUSED!!
I asked for evidence from J&S that they were EU fault recessions but they didn't answer.... just like you Centy....
So as is the norm for you Centy, you contradict yourself or post pure bollocks, you then are picked up on it by someone but you either totally ignore the question or you attack the poster asking you the question and make up lies like you have done her yet again.
so please read before you post your bullshit and try for once to actually answer a question properly |
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As nobody listens. Satire it is then. Daily mash
THE apple crops are looking much better this year, Leave voters have confirmed.
Britain’s orchards are now full of large juicy apples, after last year’s crop withered and died despite an early blossom.
UKIP voter Roy Hobbs said: “Last year we sacrificed a policeman who was also a virgin, but without success. This year, the crops will not fail.
“We voted to leave the EU and now the branches are positively groaned with the biggest, reddest apples we have ever sense.
“We will drink cider and eat apple pie, apple jam and other apple-based products. Probably there will be some sort of barn dance with flags.”
However fellow villagers and student Nikki Hollis has been condemned as a heathen after questioning the economic effects of leaving the EU.
Hobbs added: “But the orchard gods are appeased. What else matters? There are delicious apples for everyone.
“Well, not foreigners obviously. They can get their own fucking apples.” |
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