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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
North West |
WARNING - BREXIT CONTENT....
I am in the early days of exploring the possibility of setting up a beverage business and up until about two months ago, there was no question in my mind that it was going to be based in Liverpool.
As the research became more and more real and money started to be spent on sampling and tax advice I became inexorably drawn towards setting up this company in Amsterdam and not Liverpool.
The main blender for this type of beverage is in Amsterdam and they already supply many clients who bottle, label, pack and distribute from a facility near Liverpool.
The issue now is that the logistics surrounding the importation from the Netherlands of the bulk beverage and the subsequent exporting of the final product is going to change. The blender in Amsterdam has recently set up a huge new bottling and labelling facility of their own and they are now poaching new and existing distributors who want to retain the most seamless production process possible.
The really daft thing about this is the end products will still be sold in the UK, but instead of much of the production being based here, it will probably be based in the EU unless some sort of Customs Union can be agreed between the UK and the EU.
This is my little real-world experience of how Brexit is affecting my thought processes in setting up this business.
So I have a question for Brexit supporting Fabsters. Do you think that I should still bottle, label, pack and distribute from the UK and just accept that I will be dealing with hurdles and extra admin/cost from the word go? Or do you think that I should follow the logical path and set up in the Single Market and make the whole logistical process much simpler?
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over a year ago
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Pretend brexit hasn’t happened. Would you use the Dutch bottling co anyway ? If not, why were you going to use Liverpool ? The factory feels like the bigger change in decision not brexit. |
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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
North West |
"Pretend brexit hasn’t happened. Would you use the Dutch bottling co anyway ? If not, why were you going to use Liverpool ? The factory feels like the bigger change in decision not brexit. "
What I am proposing to do is nothing new, it is mainly a marketing exercise albeit an investment in the product, design and labelling is needed at the outset. The Amsterdam Company supplies hundreds of distributors already and delivers bulk products to the Liverpool bottling facility every day. But this seemingly will change after Brexit.
I wanted to do this from home (UK) because for the last ten years I have spent a great deal of time in the United States and now that I am in the process of selling those businesses I wanted my next Project to be nearer home. I know the facility in Liverpool, I know the business model and it would simply be a case of making an investment and then putting my marketing skills (or otherwise lol) to work.
Having production, bottling, labelling, packaging and distribution all under one roof will remove a potential future customs a headache and result in only one duty and tax return on the final sale. That is how it would be now having the bulk product delivered to Liverpool, but of course, that is all going to change fairly soon.
This experience has made me wonder how existing and much bigger players than I could ever dream of becoming are going to deal with this same issue.
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"WARNING - BREXIT CONTENT....
I am in the early days of exploring the possibility of setting up a beverage business and up until about two months ago, there was no question in my mind that it was going to be based in Liverpool.
As the research became more and more real and money started to be spent on sampling and tax advice I became inexorably drawn towards setting up this company in Amsterdam and not Liverpool.
The main blender for this type of beverage is in Amsterdam and they already supply many clients who bottle, label, pack and distribute from a facility near Liverpool.
The issue now is that the logistics surrounding the importation from the Netherlands of the bulk beverage and the subsequent exporting of the final product is going to change. The blender in Amsterdam has recently set up a huge new bottling and labelling facility of their own and they are now poaching new and existing distributors who want to retain the most seamless production process possible.
The really daft thing about this is the end products will still be sold in the UK, but instead of much of the production being based here, it will probably be based in the EU unless some sort of Customs Union can be agreed between the UK and the EU.
This is my little real-world experience of how Brexit is affecting my thought processes in setting up this business.
So I have a question for Brexit supporting Fabsters. Do you think that I should still bottle, label, pack and distribute from the UK and just accept that I will be dealing with hurdles and extra admin/cost from the word go? Or do you think that I should follow the logical path and set up in the Single Market and make the whole logistical process much simpler?
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let me guess this all came to you while sat in your hot tub looking at planes in the sky thinking of brexit and how to start another thread again lol if you had a pound for every brexit thread you’ve started you wouldn’t need to start a buisness up lol |
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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
North West |
"WARNING - BREXIT CONTENT....
I am in the early days of exploring the possibility of setting up a beverage business and up until about two months ago, there was no question in my mind that it was going to be based in Liverpool.
As the research became more and more real and money started to be spent on sampling and tax advice I became inexorably drawn towards setting up this company in Amsterdam and not Liverpool.
The main blender for this type of beverage is in Amsterdam and they already supply many clients who bottle, label, pack and distribute from a facility near Liverpool.
The issue now is that the logistics surrounding the importation from the Netherlands of the bulk beverage and the subsequent exporting of the final product is going to change. The blender in Amsterdam has recently set up a huge new bottling and labelling facility of their own and they are now poaching new and existing distributors who want to retain the most seamless production process possible.
The really daft thing about this is the end products will still be sold in the UK, but instead of much of the production being based here, it will probably be based in the EU unless some sort of Customs Union can be agreed between the UK and the EU.
This is my little real-world experience of how Brexit is affecting my thought processes in setting up this business.
So I have a question for Brexit supporting Fabsters. Do you think that I should still bottle, label, pack and distribute from the UK and just accept that I will be dealing with hurdles and extra admin/cost from the word go? Or do you think that I should follow the logical path and set up in the Single Market and make the whole logistical process much simpler?
let me guess this all came to you while sat in your hot tub looking at planes in the sky thinking of brexit and how to start another thread again lol if you had a pound for every brexit thread you’ve started you wouldn’t need to start a buisness up lol "
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
If they are still importing into the UK I cant see what difference brexit will make, it looks fromwhat I understand from your post is that instead of selling wholesale to liverpool and another comapny doing the bottling etc they are cutting that part out by doing it themselves and taking both parts of the profit. IMVHO that is a business decision and nothing to do with brexit at all |
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Hope the OP doesn't want to sell this (Dutch produced) product to companies like wetherspoons in the UK, as the UK's biggest pub chain has already ditched all EU produced beers, wines and spirits in favour of UK produced varieties or from the rest of the world outside of the EU. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Pretend brexit hasn’t happened. Would you use the Dutch bottling co anyway ? If not, why were you going to use Liverpool ? The factory feels like the bigger change in decision not brexit.
What I am proposing to do is nothing new, it is mainly a marketing exercise albeit an investment in the product, design and labelling is needed at the outset. The Amsterdam Company supplies hundreds of distributors already and delivers bulk products to the Liverpool bottling facility every day. But this seemingly will change after Brexit.
I wanted to do this from home (UK) because for the last ten years I have spent a great deal of time in the United States and now that I am in the process of selling those businesses I wanted my next Project to be nearer home. I know the facility in Liverpool, I know the business model and it would simply be a case of making an investment and then putting my marketing skills (or otherwise lol) to work.
Having production, bottling, labelling, packaging and distribution all under one roof will remove a potential future customs a headache and result in only one duty and tax return on the final sale. That is how it would be now having the bulk product delivered to Liverpool, but of course, that is all going to change fairly soon.
This experience has made me wonder how existing and much bigger players than I could ever dream of becoming are going to deal with this same issue.
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I’m still not clear what liverpool is offering the new Dutch bottling company isn’t. |
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"WARNING - BREXIT CONTENT....
I am in the early days of exploring the possibility of setting up a beverage business and up until about two months ago, there was no question in my mind that it was going to be based in Liverpool.
As the research became more and more real and money started to be spent on sampling and tax advice I became inexorably drawn towards setting up this company in Amsterdam and not Liverpool.
The main blender for this type of beverage is in Amsterdam and they already supply many clients who bottle, label, pack and distribute from a facility near Liverpool.
The issue now is that the logistics surrounding the importation from the Netherlands of the bulk beverage and the subsequent exporting of the final product is going to change. The blender in Amsterdam has recently set up a huge new bottling and labelling facility of their own and they are now poaching new and existing distributors who want to retain the most seamless production process possible.
The really daft thing about this is the end products will still be sold in the UK, but instead of much of the production being based here, it will probably be based in the EU unless some sort of Customs Union can be agreed between the UK and the EU.
This is my little real-world experience of how Brexit is affecting my thought processes in setting up this business.
So I have a question for Brexit supporting Fabsters. Do you think that I should still bottle, label, pack and distribute from the UK and just accept that I will be dealing with hurdles and extra admin/cost from the word go? Or do you think that I should follow the logical path and set up in the Single Market and make the whole logistical process much simpler?
let me guess this all came to you while sat in your hot tub looking at planes in the sky thinking of brexit and how to start another thread again lol if you had a pound for every brexit thread you’ve started you wouldn’t need to start a buisness up lol "
Too true!
He could always sit in the hot tub and bottle it himself, he wouldn't have time to think of anymore brexit threads then!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Hope the OP doesn't want to sell this (Dutch produced) product to companies like wetherspoons in the UK, as the UK's biggest pub chain has already ditched all EU produced beers, wines and spirits in favour of UK produced varieties or from the rest of the world outside of the EU. "
They will do for 6 months or so after leaving and then slowly re introduce them again, just a clever marketing strategy |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
Derby |
"WARNING - BREXIT CONTENT....
I am in the early days of exploring the possibility of setting up a beverage business and up until about two months ago, there was no question in my mind that it was going to be based in Liverpool.
As the research became more and more real and money started to be spent on sampling and tax advice I became inexorably drawn towards setting up this company in Amsterdam and not Liverpool.
The main blender for this type of beverage is in Amsterdam and they already supply many clients who bottle, label, pack and distribute from a facility near Liverpool.
The issue now is that the logistics surrounding the importation from the Netherlands of the bulk beverage and the subsequent exporting of the final product is going to change. The blender in Amsterdam has recently set up a huge new bottling and labelling facility of their own and they are now poaching new and existing distributors who want to retain the most seamless production process possible.
The really daft thing about this is the end products will still be sold in the UK, but instead of much of the production being based here, it will probably be based in the EU unless some sort of Customs Union can be agreed between the UK and the EU.
This is my little real-world experience of how Brexit is affecting my thought processes in setting up this business.
So I have a question for Brexit supporting Fabsters. Do you think that I should still bottle, label, pack and distribute from the UK and just accept that I will be dealing with hurdles and extra admin/cost from the word go? Or do you think that I should follow the logical path and set up in the Single Market and make the whole logistical process much simpler?
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We think you'd be better off moving to Amsterdam.....
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"WARNING - BREXIT CONTENT....
I am in the early days of exploring the possibility of setting up a beverage business and up until about two months ago, there was no question in my mind that it was going to be based in Liverpool.
As the research became more and more real and money started to be spent on sampling and tax advice I became inexorably drawn towards setting up this company in Amsterdam and not Liverpool.
The main blender for this type of beverage is in Amsterdam and they already supply many clients who bottle, label, pack and distribute from a facility near Liverpool.
The issue now is that the logistics surrounding the importation from the Netherlands of the bulk beverage and the subsequent exporting of the final product is going to change. The blender in Amsterdam has recently set up a huge new bottling and labelling facility of their own and they are now poaching new and existing distributors who want to retain the most seamless production process possible.
The really daft thing about this is the end products will still be sold in the UK, but instead of much of the production being based here, it will probably be based in the EU unless some sort of Customs Union can be agreed between the UK and the EU.
This is my little real-world experience of how Brexit is affecting my thought processes in setting up this business.
So I have a question for Brexit supporting Fabsters. Do you think that I should still bottle, label, pack and distribute from the UK and just accept that I will be dealing with hurdles and extra admin/cost from the word go? Or do you think that I should follow the logical path and set up in the Single Market and make the whole logistical process much simpler?
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I think there would be problems when Brexit at first happens,maybe delay 12 months and see how things are then hopefully put your faith in Liverpool |
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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
North West |
"If they are still importing into the UK I cant see what difference brexit will make, it looks fromwhat I understand from your post is that instead of selling wholesale to liverpool and another comapny doing the bottling etc they are cutting that part out by doing it themselves and taking both parts of the profit. IMVHO that is a business decision and nothing to do with brexit at all"
In this particular model there is an existing supplier of bulk products and that supplier is a blender in Amsterdam. Currently the supplier sends different blended products in bulk to Liverpool for the accounts of a number of different beverage companies and each of these companies has their own contract with both the supplier in Amsterdam and the finisher in Liverpool. At the moment everything is streamlined because the beverage companies are importing bulk product internally and then exporting (and selling locally). There is only one border to consider if selling externally and none at all internally.
The issue will arise when both the import of the bulk product and the subsequent export of the finished product have to cross customs borders twice and be subject to different controls and checks each way.
It seems that a very long standing arrangement that has worked well for these U.K. based beverage companies will no longer be as simple as it has been for many years going forwards. For a new business it is clearly a no-brainer as it is pointless making hurdles when they need not exist. |
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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
North West |
"Pretend brexit hasn’t happened. Would you use the Dutch bottling co anyway ? If not, why were you going to use Liverpool ? The factory feels like the bigger change in decision not brexit.
What I am proposing to do is nothing new, it is mainly a marketing exercise albeit an investment in the product, design and labelling is needed at the outset. The Amsterdam Company supplies hundreds of distributors already and delivers bulk products to the Liverpool bottling facility every day. But this seemingly will change after Brexit.
I wanted to do this from home (UK) because for the last ten years I have spent a great deal of time in the United States and now that I am in the process of selling those businesses I wanted my next Project to be nearer home. I know the facility in Liverpool, I know the business model and it would simply be a case of making an investment and then putting my marketing skills (or otherwise lol) to work.
Having production, bottling, labelling, packaging and distribution all under one roof will remove a potential future customs a headache and result in only one duty and tax return on the final sale. That is how it would be now having the bulk product delivered to Liverpool, but of course, that is all going to change fairly soon.
This experience has made me wonder how existing and much bigger players than I could ever dream of becoming are going to deal with this same issue.
I’m still not clear what liverpool is offering the new Dutch bottling company isn’t. "
Liverpool is the long standing, existing model. It is what I learned years ago and is something that has been working and is working for a number of different companies. The Amsterdam blender has been sending bulk products to Liverpool in huge quantities for different companies for years and years.
Suddenly though it looks like the model will become unnecessarily complicated. |
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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
North West |
"WARNING - BREXIT CONTENT....
I am in the early days of exploring the possibility of setting up a beverage business and up until about two months ago, there was no question in my mind that it was going to be based in Liverpool.
As the research became more and more real and money started to be spent on sampling and tax advice I became inexorably drawn towards setting up this company in Amsterdam and not Liverpool.
The main blender for this type of beverage is in Amsterdam and they already supply many clients who bottle, label, pack and distribute from a facility near Liverpool.
The issue now is that the logistics surrounding the importation from the Netherlands of the bulk beverage and the subsequent exporting of the final product is going to change. The blender in Amsterdam has recently set up a huge new bottling and labelling facility of their own and they are now poaching new and existing distributors who want to retain the most seamless production process possible.
The really daft thing about this is the end products will still be sold in the UK, but instead of much of the production being based here, it will probably be based in the EU unless some sort of Customs Union can be agreed between the UK and the EU.
This is my little real-world experience of how Brexit is affecting my thought processes in setting up this business.
So I have a question for Brexit supporting Fabsters. Do you think that I should still bottle, label, pack and distribute from the UK and just accept that I will be dealing with hurdles and extra admin/cost from the word go? Or do you think that I should follow the logical path and set up in the Single Market and make the whole logistical process much simpler?
I think there would be problems when Brexit at first happens,maybe delay 12 months and see how things are then hopefully put your faith in Liverpool"
I would like to do that but everything that I am hearing from the Govt, Raab and other Brexiters is that there will not be a Customs Union and therefore a UK based Company woukd suffer a competitive disadvantage by having to import in bulk across a customs border and then export again back across the border.
Unless the process is going to be as seamless as it is today, it would be stupid to start something new with these obstructions on the horizon. Existing organisations who are already set up may choose to bite the bullet and see how things pan out but according to the calls that I have had, not all are going to take the risk. |
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Question:
Do you at any point think you may want to sell into the single market (any part of it)?
If that is a possibility no matter how remote of how far in the future then you need to set up production in the Netherlands, if not then it is purely a question of determining which production location has the lowest gross unit cost (including logistics and import costs).
I suspect that a purely UK based business will be better served with a Liverpool production location but that if selling any product into the EU (thinking Ireland mainly) then the cost balance will quickly change. |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
Derby |
"If they are still importing into the UK I cant see what difference brexit will make, it looks fromwhat I understand from your post is that instead of selling wholesale to liverpool and another comapny doing the bottling etc they are cutting that part out by doing it themselves and taking both parts of the profit. IMVHO that is a business decision and nothing to do with brexit at all
In this particular model there is an existing supplier of bulk products and that supplier is a blender in Amsterdam. Currently the supplier sends different blended products in bulk to Liverpool for the accounts of a number of different beverage companies and each of these companies has their own contract with both the supplier in Amsterdam and the finisher in Liverpool. At the moment everything is streamlined because the beverage companies are importing bulk product internally and then exporting (and selling locally). There is only one border to consider if selling externally and none at all internally.
The issue will arise when both the import of the bulk product and the subsequent export of the finished product have to cross customs borders twice and be subject to different controls and checks each way.
It seems that a very long standing arrangement that has worked well for these U.K. based beverage companies will no longer be as simple as it has been for many years going forwards. For a new business it is clearly a no-brainer as it is pointless making hurdles when they need not exist. "
So it's a no-brainer, and yet you're still unsure what to do? |
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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
North West |
"If they are still importing into the UK I cant see what difference brexit will make, it looks fromwhat I understand from your post is that instead of selling wholesale to liverpool and another comapny doing the bottling etc they are cutting that part out by doing it themselves and taking both parts of the profit. IMVHO that is a business decision and nothing to do with brexit at all
In this particular model there is an existing supplier of bulk products and that supplier is a blender in Amsterdam. Currently the supplier sends different blended products in bulk to Liverpool for the accounts of a number of different beverage companies and each of these companies has their own contract with both the supplier in Amsterdam and the finisher in Liverpool. At the moment everything is streamlined because the beverage companies are importing bulk product internally and then exporting (and selling locally). There is only one border to consider if selling externally and none at all internally.
The issue will arise when both the import of the bulk product and the subsequent export of the finished product have to cross customs borders twice and be subject to different controls and checks each way.
It seems that a very long standing arrangement that has worked well for these U.K. based beverage companies will no longer be as simple as it has been for many years going forwards. For a new business it is clearly a no-brainer as it is pointless making hurdles when they need not exist.
So it's a no-brainer, and yet you're still unsure what to do?"
Yes. I absolutely know what to do but how ironic that god knows how many new and existing businesses are being caught up in this completely unavoidable nonsense and as a result will be basing themselves in the EU whilst still selling to the U.K.
It is not uncommon. Our neighbour works for a food packaging company near Wigan and they have a sprawling network of raw produce suppliers with two thirds coming from the EU. They have been told categorically that a Brexit that creates barriers will highly likely result in job losses and potentially full closure and relocation.
Still the U.K. could always adopt the Minford concept of economics and apply a zero tariff to all imports and that would make importing the raw material cheaper. But it would also mean the importation of finished foodstuffs and products at zero tariffs from third world suppliers and that would put even more U.K. manufacturers out of business.
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"WARNING - BREXIT CONTENT....
I am in the early days of exploring the possibility of setting up a beverage business and up until about two months ago, there was no question in my mind that it was going to be based in Liverpool.
As the research became more and more real and money started to be spent on sampling and tax advice I became inexorably drawn towards setting up this company in Amsterdam and not Liverpool.
The main blender for this type of beverage is in Amsterdam and they already supply many clients who bottle, label, pack and distribute from a facility near Liverpool.
The issue now is that the logistics surrounding the importation from the Netherlands of the bulk beverage and the subsequent exporting of the final product is going to change. The blender in Amsterdam has recently set up a huge new bottling and labelling facility of their own and they are now poaching new and existing distributors who want to retain the most seamless production process possible.
The really daft thing about this is the end products will still be sold in the UK, but instead of much of the production being based here, it will probably be based in the EU unless some sort of Customs Union can be agreed between the UK and the EU.
This is my little real-world experience of how Brexit is affecting my thought processes in setting up this business.
So I have a question for Brexit supporting Fabsters. Do you think that I should still bottle, label, pack and distribute from the UK and just accept that I will be dealing with hurdles and extra admin/cost from the word go? Or do you think that I should follow the logical path and set up in the Single Market and make the whole logistical process much simpler?
let me guess this all came to you while sat in your hot tub looking at planes in the sky thinking of brexit and how to start another thread again lol if you had a pound for every brexit thread you’ve started you wouldn’t need to start a buisness up lol "
And if you had a pound for every Anti-BREXIT post you've replied to without actually addressing the issue raised you'd be able live of it. |
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Haven't read everything but 2 things come to mind -
Size of UK customer sales vs no-UK
Costs of handling all non-UK overseas, so it doesn't enter the UK. I don't know your product but if it's not a USP that it's UK bottled for the international market, you could outsource the lot, if it would reduce headaches and risk?
How much could you load the logistics issues and potential consequential losses onto your suppliers, who seem to be managing much, if not most of the process? As bulk producers who ship across complex network, they presumably have Service Level Agreements with all parties that serve to punitively redress supply issues? Maybe you couldpiggyback on to those?
This problem highlights the uncertainty and risk that brexit imposes. The current cost of brexit is £500 million each week and rising - at government level. The economy is likely to be losing far more, as the Conservatives have still to agree amongst themselves critical points that should have been done before they triggered Article50. So the negotiations are behind schedule and the world is forced to have a resolution imposed upon it with virtually no notice at all. It emphasizes the sheer incompetence of the UK and degrades the prospect of the Uk as an attractive business centre.
It's clear that all citizens here stand to lose heavily but those responsible for those losses will not face losses proportionate to the damages resultant from their choices.
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"WARNING - BREXIT CONTENT....
I am in the early days of exploring the possibility of setting up a beverage business and up until about two months ago, there was no question in my mind that it was going to be based in Liverpool.
As the research became more and more real and money started to be spent on sampling and tax advice I became inexorably drawn towards setting up this company in Amsterdam and not Liverpool.
The main blender for this type of beverage is in Amsterdam and they already supply many clients who bottle, label, pack and distribute from a facility near Liverpool.
The issue now is that the logistics surrounding the importation from the Netherlands of the bulk beverage and the subsequent exporting of the final product is going to change. The blender in Amsterdam has recently set up a huge new bottling and labelling facility of their own and they are now poaching new and existing distributors who want to retain the most seamless production process possible.
The really daft thing about this is the end products will still be sold in the UK, but instead of much of the production being based here, it will probably be based in the EU unless some sort of Customs Union can be agreed between the UK and the EU.
This is my little real-world experience of how Brexit is affecting my thought processes in setting up this business.
So I have a question for Brexit supporting Fabsters. Do you think that I should still bottle, label, pack and distribute from the UK and just accept that I will be dealing with hurdles and extra admin/cost from the word go? Or do you think that I should follow the logical path and set up in the Single Market and make the whole logistical process much simpler?
let me guess this all came to you while sat in your hot tub looking at planes in the sky thinking of brexit and how to start another thread again lol if you had a pound for every brexit thread you’ve started you wouldn’t need to start a buisness up lol
And if you had a pound for every Anti-BREXIT post you've replied to without actually addressing the issue raised you'd be able live of it."
yes true but iv only replied not started a thread can you see the difference lol |
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"WARNING - BREXIT CONTENT....
I am in the early days of exploring the possibility of setting up a beverage business and up until about two months ago, there was no question in my mind that it was going to be based in Liverpool.
As the research became more and more real and money started to be spent on sampling and tax advice I became inexorably drawn towards setting up this company in Amsterdam and not Liverpool.
The main blender for this type of beverage is in Amsterdam and they already supply many clients who bottle, label, pack and distribute from a facility near Liverpool.
The issue now is that the logistics surrounding the importation from the Netherlands of the bulk beverage and the subsequent exporting of the final product is going to change. The blender in Amsterdam has recently set up a huge new bottling and labelling facility of their own and they are now poaching new and existing distributors who want to retain the most seamless production process possible.
The really daft thing about this is the end products will still be sold in the UK, but instead of much of the production being based here, it will probably be based in the EU unless some sort of Customs Union can be agreed between the UK and the EU.
This is my little real-world experience of how Brexit is affecting my thought processes in setting up this business.
So I have a question for Brexit supporting Fabsters. Do you think that I should still bottle, label, pack and distribute from the UK and just accept that I will be dealing with hurdles and extra admin/cost from the word go? Or do you think that I should follow the logical path and set up in the Single Market and make the whole logistical process much simpler?
let me guess this all came to you while sat in your hot tub looking at planes in the sky thinking of brexit and how to start another thread again lol if you had a pound for every brexit thread you’ve started you wouldn’t need to start a buisness up lol
And if you had a pound for every Anti-BREXIT post you've replied to without actually addressing the issue raised you'd be able live of it. yes true but iv only replied not started a thread can you see the difference lol"
Yes. ToHot is raising important issues that need to be addressed whilst you're just trying to shut any discussion on BREXIT.
At least that's what it looks like to me. |
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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
North West |
"WARNING - BREXIT CONTENT....
I am in the early days of exploring the possibility of setting up a beverage business and up until about two months ago, there was no question in my mind that it was going to be based in Liverpool.
As the research became more and more real and money started to be spent on sampling and tax advice I became inexorably drawn towards setting up this company in Amsterdam and not Liverpool.
The main blender for this type of beverage is in Amsterdam and they already supply many clients who bottle, label, pack and distribute from a facility near Liverpool.
The issue now is that the logistics surrounding the importation from the Netherlands of the bulk beverage and the subsequent exporting of the final product is going to change. The blender in Amsterdam has recently set up a huge new bottling and labelling facility of their own and they are now poaching new and existing distributors who want to retain the most seamless production process possible.
The really daft thing about this is the end products will still be sold in the UK, but instead of much of the production being based here, it will probably be based in the EU unless some sort of Customs Union can be agreed between the UK and the EU.
This is my little real-world experience of how Brexit is affecting my thought processes in setting up this business.
So I have a question for Brexit supporting Fabsters. Do you think that I should still bottle, label, pack and distribute from the UK and just accept that I will be dealing with hurdles and extra admin/cost from the word go? Or do you think that I should follow the logical path and set up in the Single Market and make the whole logistical process much simpler?
let me guess this all came to you while sat in your hot tub looking at planes in the sky thinking of brexit and how to start another thread again lol if you had a pound for every brexit thread you’ve started you wouldn’t need to start a buisness up lol
And if you had a pound for every Anti-BREXIT post you've replied to without actually addressing the issue raised you'd be able live of it. yes true but iv only replied not started a thread can you see the difference lol
Yes. ToHot is raising important issues that need to be addressed whilst you're just trying to shut any discussion on BREXIT.
At least that's what it looks like to me."
That is exactly how it goes. No discussion of the content, no debate, no questioning - just try to shut down the type of message by attacking the messenger. It is not even subtle.
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"WARNING - BREXIT CONTENT....
I am in the early days of exploring the possibility of setting up a beverage business and up until about two months ago, there was no question in my mind that it was going to be based in Liverpool.
As the research became more and more real and money started to be spent on sampling and tax advice I became inexorably drawn towards setting up this company in Amsterdam and not Liverpool.
The main blender for this type of beverage is in Amsterdam and they already supply many clients who bottle, label, pack and distribute from a facility near Liverpool.
The issue now is that the logistics surrounding the importation from the Netherlands of the bulk beverage and the subsequent exporting of the final product is going to change. The blender in Amsterdam has recently set up a huge new bottling and labelling facility of their own and they are now poaching new and existing distributors who want to retain the most seamless production process possible.
The really daft thing about this is the end products will still be sold in the UK, but instead of much of the production being based here, it will probably be based in the EU unless some sort of Customs Union can be agreed between the UK and the EU.
This is my little real-world experience of how Brexit is affecting my thought processes in setting up this business.
So I have a question for Brexit supporting Fabsters. Do you think that I should still bottle, label, pack and distribute from the UK and just accept that I will be dealing with hurdles and extra admin/cost from the word go? Or do you think that I should follow the logical path and set up in the Single Market and make the whole logistical process much simpler?
let me guess this all came to you while sat in your hot tub looking at planes in the sky thinking of brexit and how to start another thread again lol if you had a pound for every brexit thread you’ve started you wouldn’t need to start a buisness up lol
And if you had a pound for every Anti-BREXIT post you've replied to without actually addressing the issue raised you'd be able live of it. yes true but iv only replied not started a thread can you see the difference lol
Yes. ToHot is raising important issues that need to be addressed whilst you're just trying to shut any discussion on BREXIT.
At least that's what it looks like to me.
That is exactly how it goes. No discussion of the content, no debate, no questioning - just try to shut down the type of message by attacking the messenger. It is not even subtle.
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god sake guys that’s all yous do negative talk every day same old shit we get it yr against leaving but it’s day in day out you can’t realy moan if some folk make a little joke |
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"WARNING - BREXIT CONTENT....
I am in the early days of exploring the possibility of setting up a beverage business and up until about two months ago, there was no question in my mind that it was going to be based in Liverpool.
As the research became more and more real and money started to be spent on sampling and tax advice I became inexorably drawn towards setting up this company in Amsterdam and not Liverpool.
The main blender for this type of beverage is in Amsterdam and they already supply many clients who bottle, label, pack and distribute from a facility near Liverpool.
The issue now is that the logistics surrounding the importation from the Netherlands of the bulk beverage and the subsequent exporting of the final product is going to change. The blender in Amsterdam has recently set up a huge new bottling and labelling facility of their own and they are now poaching new and existing distributors who want to retain the most seamless production process possible.
The really daft thing about this is the end products will still be sold in the UK, but instead of much of the production being based here, it will probably be based in the EU unless some sort of Customs Union can be agreed between the UK and the EU.
This is my little real-world experience of how Brexit is affecting my thought processes in setting up this business.
So I have a question for Brexit supporting Fabsters. Do you think that I should still bottle, label, pack and distribute from the UK and just accept that I will be dealing with hurdles and extra admin/cost from the word go? Or do you think that I should follow the logical path and set up in the Single Market and make the whole logistical process much simpler?
let me guess this all came to you while sat in your hot tub looking at planes in the sky thinking of brexit and how to start another thread again lol if you had a pound for every brexit thread you’ve started you wouldn’t need to start a buisness up lol
And if you had a pound for every Anti-BREXIT post you've replied to without actually addressing the issue raised you'd be able live of it. yes true but iv only replied not started a thread can you see the difference lol
Yes. ToHot is raising important issues that need to be addressed whilst you're just trying to shut any discussion on BREXIT.
At least that's what it looks like to me.
That is exactly how it goes. No discussion of the content, no debate, no questioning - just try to shut down the type of message by attacking the messenger. It is not even subtle.
god sake guys that’s all yous do negative talk every day same old shit we get it yr against leaving but it’s day in day out you can’t realy moan if some folk make a little joke "
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I'm at a loss to understand the whole tariffs thing.
Surely, we just say to the EU, "Look guys, if you put tariffs on ours, we will put tariffs on yours, so hows about we just "suck it and see" without tariffs?".
Unfortunately, I do know that, for various reasons, it isn't this simple, already, some coastal EU countries are rattling their cages about fishing quotas in UK waters, basically saying "if we don't get access, we will veto any deals".
The EU negotiators should tell them to shut the fuck up, get a deal done, and then see how things go. |
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"I'm at a loss to understand the whole tariffs thing.
Surely, we just say to the EU, "Look guys, if you put tariffs on ours, we will put tariffs on yours, so hows about we just "suck it and see" without tariffs?".
Unfortunately, I do know that, for various reasons, it isn't this simple, already, some coastal EU countries are rattling their cages about fishing quotas in UK waters, basically saying "if we don't get access, we will veto any deals".
The EU negotiators should tell them to shut the fuck up, get a deal done, and then see how things go."
The main reason we can't do that is it would then be against WTO rules. We would not be allowed to favour any one nation.
Unless we agreed a trade deal.
Which we already have.
Which we are walking away from.
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