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Double standards Russia / Saudi Arabia?
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Assassination attempt by Russians = sanctions and outrage!
Saudi Arabia, routinely behead people in the street and Assassinations and now a journalist in the Turkey elsewhere = business as usual  |
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"Assassination attempt by Russians = sanctions and outrage!
Saudi Arabia, routinely behead people in the street and Assassinations and now a journalist in the Turkey elsewhere = business as usual "
The Assassination attempt was on Uk soil I suppose that had something to do with it?
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
I would imagine that the Government, along with other prominent Western Governments, is waiting for all the facts to emerge before taking a measured response.
Liam Fox, along with other Western Ministers, has pulled out of the showpiece Saudi Business Meeting this week.
Saudi is seen as a friend, whereas Russia is not. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
The British establishment’s revulsion of Russian ideology has been ingrained in its DNA since they executed the Queen’s cousins.
By contrast, the ruling Royal clique in Saudi was installed by the British.
The contrast between the response of the British establishment to two similar events is stark. |
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Hacking someone to bits in Turkey does not warrant the same response from the UK establishment as an indiscriminate use of nerve agent on UK soil, which resulted in the death and near death of UK nationals. |
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"Hacking someone to bits in Turkey does not warrant the same response from the UK establishment as an indiscriminate use of nerve agent on UK soil, which resulted in the death and near death of UK nationals. "
Agreed.
But considering that Saudi sponsors virtually all radical Islamic international terrorism against the non Sunni Muslim world this should be the straw that breaks the camels back so to speak and forces the world to shun this rouge state. But because they allow the developed (western) nations to profit from their oil and access to their market nothing will change. |
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"Seems the liberals are crying out for this to escalate into something else. They don't seem to care how its going to affect uk defence workers at all. "
clem.
When you supply arms to authoritarian regimes that use them to attack their neighbours eventually they get used to attack you. There is a good reason why the latest US arms deal is not to supply weapons to Saudi but to supply arms manufacturing plant and facilities, the Saudis are tooling up to use their wealth to attack us and our political and industrial leaders are too stupidly greedy, corrupt and short sighted to tell them to fuck off. My god we are even fighting amongst our selves for the 'prize' of giving them nuclear capabilities! |
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"Seems the liberals are crying out for this to escalate into something else. They don't seem to care how its going to affect uk defence workers at all. "
I doubt it will get that far, bit of an own goal to do that and if the Saudis then slow down oil production with the sanctions trump has put in on Irans oil it could all get a bit silly..
It's a bit like the opening chapter of how to really fuck up silencing ones critic's.. |
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"Seems the liberals are crying out for this to escalate into something else. They don't seem to care how its going to affect uk defence workers at all.
clem.
When you supply arms to authoritarian regimes that use them to attack their neighbours eventually they get used to attack you. There is a good reason why the latest US arms deal is not to supply weapons to Saudi but to supply arms manufacturing plant and facilities, the Saudis are tooling up to use their wealth to attack us and our political and industrial leaders are too stupidly greedy, corrupt and short sighted to tell them to fuck off. My god we are even fighting amongst our selves for the 'prize' of giving them nuclear capabilities!"
Why would they want to attack the west? How would they gain wealth if we weren't buying oil from them? Or are they getting twitchy now we want to use electric vehicles? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Seems the liberals are crying out for this to escalate into something else. They don't seem to care how its going to affect uk defence workers at all.
clem.
When you supply arms to authoritarian regimes that use them to attack their neighbours eventually they get used to attack you. There is a good reason why the latest US arms deal is not to supply weapons to Saudi but to supply arms manufacturing plant and facilities, the Saudis are tooling up to use their wealth to attack us and our political and industrial leaders are too stupidly greedy, corrupt and short sighted to tell them to fuck off. My god we are even fighting amongst our selves for the 'prize' of giving them nuclear capabilities!"
Some how I don't see Israel letting Saudi Arabia become nuclear capable |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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No. But both Israel and Saudi detest Iran, for different reasons. Trump and his son-in-law are building their anti-Iran coalition around both.
Interesting that EDF, the French state nuclear business and bidder for the Saudi contract, is boycotting Saudi at the moment.
The EU, the UK, China and Russia are all resisting US attempts to gang up on Iran.
Turkey meanwhile appears to have ambitions to depose Saudi in terms of leadership in the muslim world.
So many different agenda at work in that part of the world that it becomes difficult to separate the truth from the fiction and the spin. |
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"Why would they want to attack the west? How would they gain wealth if we weren't buying oil from them? Or are they getting twitchy now we want to use electric vehicles?"
Because they are the army of Allah and it is their holy duty to convert the world to Sunni Islam and impose the Sharia (their gods law) on the world, and all who refuse to convert have to be killed or enslaved. This is a crusade to them and oil revinue is the enabler. Sad thing is we are nothing more than disposable tools to be bought, used and discarded. Our lives and the lives of any who stand in their way have no value. Just to be clear, this has been Arab history for about 6000 years, the god changes but the message, the scant regard for life and the total ruthlessness in eliminating all opposition when opportunity presents itself remains constant.
We either learn from history or repeat history. At present we are repeating history. |
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"Why would they want to attack the west? How would they gain wealth if we weren't buying oil from them? Or are they getting twitchy now we want to use electric vehicles?
Because they are the army of Allah and it is their holy duty to convert the world to Sunni Islam and impose the Sharia (their gods law) on the world, and all who refuse to convert have to be killed or enslaved. This is a crusade to them and oil revinue is the enabler. Sad thing is we are nothing more than disposable tools to be bought, used and discarded. Our lives and the lives of any who stand in their way have no value. Just to be clear, this has been Arab history for about 6000 years, the god changes but the message, the scant regard for life and the total ruthlessness in eliminating all opposition when opportunity presents itself remains constant.
We either learn from history or repeat history. At present we are repeating history."
So Tommy was right all along.  |
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So Tommy was right all along. "
No.
Saudi (and the Arab world) is not the whole of Islam. The problem is the Wahhabi's and those vulnerable to their messages of hate (of whom there are many). The sad thing is it is our political and business leaders who are responsible for giving the Wahhabi's such fertile recruiting grounds across Africa, Asia and the Middle East. |
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"Seems the liberals are crying out for this to escalate into something else. They don't seem to care how its going to affect uk defence workers at all. "
Must admit that occurred to me as well.
On one hand they play the economic card when talking about Brexit and (alleged) job losses at British Aerospace but are quite happy to chuck the whole pack in the bin so they can feel good about their own piety. |
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