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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Released today after doing half of his term. What happens now, born in Welling UK - what can we do?

Also is the justice system right 5 years should mean they do 5 years - if they are good - if not they do longer.

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By *0tt0nSu3Woman over a year ago

London

"Released today after doing half of his term. What happens now, born in Welling UK - what can we do?

Also is the justice system right 5 years should mean they do 5 years - if they are good - if not they do longer. "

I suspect it's to do with resources. He's too expensive to keep in there. They probably spent a pretty penny monitoring him.

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By *ercuryMan over a year ago

Grantham

He's out after 26 months under very strict license conditions.

Has to live in a bail hostel, can't associate with certain people and can't travel outside of London.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We will be spending shit loads of money on this scum for years to come

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By *illwill69uMan over a year ago

moston

He is a poster-boy for return of the Treason Act and capital punishment for treason and inciting treason.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"We will be spending shit loads of money on this scum for years to come

That's the inevitable cost of living in a free ish society, separates us from the vile fuckers that choudry and others would want us to live under..

It's the same costs that we incur for others..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Released today after doing half of his term. What happens now, born in Welling UK - what can we do?

Also is the justice system right 5 years should mean they do 5 years - if they are good - if not they do longer. "

They should try the US 4/40 model. It’s dead simple. The offender does four years, then is let out on licence (something like our own MAPPA 3 probation). If they break the terms of their licence, then they have to go back to prison for the other 36 years of their sentence.

If we did it here we would need a lot more probation officers.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

"He is a poster-boy for return of the Treason Act and capital punishment for treason and inciting treason."

You want to execute people for things they say?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"He is a poster-boy for return of the Treason Act and capital punishment for treason and inciting treason.

You want to execute people for things they say?

Well you would not like what he would want done to you

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple over a year ago

canterbury

whatever happens ..we, the great british tax payer will keep paying...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It said on the radio that his prison costs were a fraction of what it will now cost to monitor him.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don't think anyone should only serve half sentences either, that's the biggest injustice that goes on everyday.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"He is a poster-boy for return of the Treason Act and capital punishment for treason and inciting treason.

You want to execute people for things they say?

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..you do realise that him and a large majority like him...radical and moderate ( if there is such a thing ) Muslims adhere to the Koran and the Hadith,and in their eyes Islam is the superior religion on earth and should be treated as such and that no man made laws that contradicts the Koran should be respected ( prob why sharia courts are springing up throughout the uk )...and what should worry people who enjoys the freedom's we have including yourself to express ourselfs in certain ways....they believe all nations must submit to Islam and that sharia should be the code of conduct world wide.....( fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah..Koran chapter 8 verse 39 ) ..but hey religion of peace and all that yeah..

MR S.

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By *omfilthMan over a year ago

Gloucester

I wonder if the Muslim council of Britain put the pressure on and the government gave in and released him??

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"whatever happens ..we, the great british tax payer will keep paying..."

Yes but he is a British citizen! No easy solution is there?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And the press pandering to him by giving him the press coverage that he wanted

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"He is a poster-boy for return of the Treason Act and capital punishment for treason and inciting treason.

You want to execute people for things they say?

..you do realise that him and a large majority like him...radical and moderate ( if there is such a thing ) Muslims adhere to the Koran and the Hadith,and in their eyes Islam is the superior religion on earth and should be treated as such and that no man made laws that contradicts the Koran should be respected ( prob why sharia courts are springing up throughout the uk )...and what should worry people who enjoys the freedom's we have including yourself to express ourselfs in certain ways....they believe all nations must submit to Islam and that sharia should be the code of conduct world wide.....( fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah..Koran chapter 8 verse 39 ) ..but hey religion of peace and all that yeah..

MR S."

This

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I wonder if the Muslim council of Britain put the pressure on and the government gave in and released him??"
would that be the same Muslim council of Britain that got a young squaddie his ticket because he got his pic taken with Tommy Robinson...yes yes it would..if that's not political correctness gone F##KING arse about face I don't know what isn't...a group with links to Islamist terrorist's complain to goverment about a picture of a critic of Islamists and a group of squaddies and the great British goverment bow dow to PC correctness by a minority group and S##T themselves and throw a young soldier under the bus..MR S

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Choudry and Tommy Robinson are both hate mongers and can both do one.

So much race hate on this site lately. It used to be about swinging and fun.

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By *lbert_shlossedMan over a year ago

Manchester

I really don't care what he says he's a complete fruitcake, let him talk as much and as often as he wants.

Eventually his own beliefs hang himself

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"He is a poster-boy for return of the Treason Act and capital punishment for treason and inciting treason.

You want to execute people for things they say?

MR S."

As an atheist who in part teaches science as a profession and as community outreach, I understand your concerns.

However, the triumph of the Western legal system is that our courts presume innocence until proven guilty, and freedom from guilt by association.

We have to apply that to society down to every individual.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Let’s break all stuff down below

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*Every religion is like that, and self help book. Take Dianetics for example, self help turned into scientology.

“and that no man made laws that contradicts the Koran should be respected”

*All religious “systems” say a higher power trumps human law.

“ ( prob why sharia courts are springing up throughout the uk )”

*Get your facts straight, Sharia courts are not there to remove UK law, they are there to settle family disputes, divorces and money issues.

*You think an entire legal system could be based on that? Duuuuuh, I don’t think so.

“...and what should worry people who enjoys the freedom's we have including yourself to express ourselfs in certain ways”

*Like all religions they restrict people in certain ways, just saying, like eating no meat, or no contraception, no sex before marriage, becoming detached from property or personal items, or celibacy. Hell they all do it!

“....they believe all nations must submit to Islam and that sharia should be the code of conduct world wide.....( fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah..Koran chapter 8 verse 39 ) ..but hey religion of peace and all that yeah..

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*Like all religions again, all systems want to be the number one way of telling you what to do or how to live your life.

*The worst people are the ones who justify the atrocities they commit and utilise religion or systems as the driver.

*Think the Pogroms, the inquistion, the ethnic cleansing in bosnia, the armenian cleansings, the reducation of the uighurs, the aboriginals who were taken from their family and “westernised” by the australian government, pol pot and the khemer rouge, stalins reign of terror.

*All actions, based on religion or systems, through a mistaken sense of moral superiority.

*So before people get on their high horses. Think there are dickheads everywhere, anjem is one, tommy is another. All religious and racial extremists are cunts. Plain and simple.

*I know that is the “populist view” of that issue!

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

"He is a poster-boy for return of the Treason Act and capital punishment for treason and inciting treason.

You want to execute people for things they say?

MR S."

You could make exactly the same argument about christianity and its texts that encourage genocide of non-believers.

Both the bible and the koran contain elements that are utterly disgusting.

I recall a study carried out in Amsterdam. People were read excerpts and asked to identify the book they came from. Most replied "koran". The answer was "bible".

But to suggest that a majority - muslim or christian - adhere to every word in their textbooks . . . well, that is prejudice on a gargantuan scale.

Just as there are christians past and present who justify their violence against non-believers, so too there are muslims who do the same.

Both are scum. Always have been and always will be.

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By *oan of DArcCouple over a year ago

Glasgow

"He is a poster-boy for return of the Treason Act and capital punishment for treason and inciting treason.

You want to execute people for things they say?

Well you would not like what he would want done to you

All sounding a bit Al Qaedaish

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By *oan of DArcCouple over a year ago

Glasgow

"He is a poster-boy for return of the Treason Act and capital punishment for treason and inciting treason.

You want to execute people for things they say?

MR S.

You could make exactly the same argument about christianity and its texts that encourage genocide of non-believers.

Both the bible and the koran contain elements that are utterly disgusting.

I recall a study carried out in Amsterdam. People were read excerpts and asked to identify the book they came from. Most replied "koran". The answer was "bible".

But to suggest that a majority - muslim or christian - adhere to every word in their textbooks . . . well, that is prejudice on a gargantuan scale.

Just as there are christians past and present who justify their violence against non-believers, so too there are muslims who do the same.

Both are scum. Always have been and always will be.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

He's a groomer of vulnerable people much like a pedophile .A pathetic human being that without his ability to to communicate his hate is a nobody.

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By *oan of DArcCouple over a year ago

Glasgow

"I wonder if the Muslim council of Britain put the pressure on and the government gave in and released him??would that be the same Muslim council of Britain that got a young squaddie his ticket because he got his pic taken with Tommy Robinson...yes yes it would..if that's not political correctness gone F##KING arse about face I don't know what isn't...a group with links to Islamist terrorist's complain to goverment about a picture of a critic of Islamists and a group of squaddies and the great British goverment bow dow to PC correctness by a minority group and S##T themselves and throw a young soldier under the bus..MR S"

Why would a member of the serving military want to have his picture taken with the leader of a far right organisation?

What would be your view of a Muslim soldier being pictured with Anjem Choudary?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"He is a poster-boy for return of the Treason Act and capital punishment for treason and inciting treason.

You want to execute people for things they say?

Well you would not like what he would want done to you

Don’t they push gay people off the top of tall buildings? Blimey, there are many reasons why people should not be singled out because of who they are, and we have the law to enforce that here. But the jihadists don’t just insult people, they beat torture and kill them.

Perhaps these things need to be explained again, just so we are all sure. Choudry is pro ISIS, and therefore wants to push gay people off those skyscrapers, behead those who refuse to convert to Suni Islam, and stone people to death in the street for minor sexual indiscretions including adultery.

But we must be careful not to seem unkind, give him the chance to actually do something himself first. It’s not his fault those of whom he incites with his poison, actually commit horrendous crimes, is it?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why would a member of the serving military want to have his picture taken with the leader of a far right organisation?

What would be your view of a Muslim soldier being pictured with Anjem Choudary? "
So your happy with a Muslim organisation with links to hate speech dictating to the British military...your armed forces by the way..and calling the shoots..as for far right I'm tired of hearing that PC BULL#####.....it's not just whites that support Tommy Robinson...i just wonder why people like you get so upset about him and the things he's highlighted happening in your country when the BBC / CHANNEL 4 or SKY NEWS is either deliberately silent or just doesn't care .....but yeah he's far right because he's seeing what your not.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What's the final solution for the Muslim problem.? What would Tommy. do?

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By *oan of DArcCouple over a year ago

Glasgow

Why would a member of the serving military want to have his picture taken with the leader of a far right organisation?

What would be your view of a Muslim soldier being pictured with Anjem Choudary? So your happy with a Muslim organisation with links to hate speech dictating to the British military...your armed forces by the way..and calling the shoots..as for far right I'm tired of hearing that PC BULL#####.....it's not just whites that support Tommy Robinson...i just wonder why people like you get so upset about him and the things he's highlighted happening in your country when the BBC / CHANNEL 4 or SKY NEWS is either deliberately silent or just doesn't care .....but yeah he's far right because he's seeing what your not."

Forgive me, I posed a simple question.

What would be your view of a Muslim soldier being pictured with Anjem Choudary or any Islamist for that matter?

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By *oan of DArcCouple over a year ago

Glasgow

"He is a poster-boy for return of the Treason Act and capital punishment for treason and inciting treason.

You want to execute people for things they say?

Well you would not like what he would want done to you

I haven't seen anyone on this thread supporting Choudary's views or being sympathetic to his plight.

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

Sake I’d shit this is about choudry but we end up with what about Christianity and the white haters like tommy this is what’s happening as soon as the Asian grooming gangs are mentioned on here

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By *oan of DArcCouple over a year ago

Glasgow

White haters? That's quite a leap.

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

Lol well tommy is a hater and white isn’t he

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By *oan of DArcCouple over a year ago

Glasgow

"Lol well tommy is a hater and white isn’t he "

Sorry I responded to a post I didn't understand.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Sake I’d shit this is about choudry but we end up with what about Christianity and the white haters like tommy this is what’s happening as soon as the Asian grooming gangs are mentioned on here "
Just Asian ( sorry Muslim ) r##e gangs...let's not do a sky news here....a minority ( which is growing ) is dictating to the majority in England,you guys are all ready heading quietly to a twin legal system in the uk...one the law of the land in England the other sharia courts...choudry wants sharia...sharia is a part of Islam and Islam is not tolerance and peace and teddy bears ...my god you had an off duty soldier hacked to death in broad daylight on the streets off England amongst a litany of other terrorist attacks and anyone who high lights this or anything else is far right...

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By *otlovefun42Couple over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

Just moving away from the religious debate for a moment.

I always thought that to be released early, on license, from a prison sentence you had to:

1. Have been of good behaviour while in prison.

2. Show remorse for your crime.

3. Not be a danger to society.

Maybe he could tick the box on number one but I very much doubt he has shown any remorse and he is still seen as dangerous.

So the question is. Why the hell is he out?

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

and yet nothing about the cardiff gang of groomers who were convicted exactly 24 hrs before....

if you end up mentioning one... but not mentioning the other, then people will ask if there is a motive behind doing that........

best guess is that is don't serve the narrative someone people are pushing....

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Just moving away from the religious debate for a moment.

I always thought that to be released early, on license, from a prison sentence you had to:

1. Have been of good behaviour while in prison.

2. Show remorse for your crime.

3. Not be a danger to society.

Maybe he could tick the box on number one but I very much doubt he has shown any remorse and he is still seen as dangerous.

So the question is. Why the hell is he out?"

To coin a phrase " the law is an ass"

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

He obviously hates the west and is an extreme Islamic. However he is a British citizen born here 51yrs ago and has "British rights"! The question is if he hates the UK so much why stay? Go to Afghanistan or wherever his views are tolerated - yes/no?

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Just moving away from the religious debate for a moment.

I always thought that to be released early, on license, from a prison sentence you had to:

1. Have been of good behaviour while in prison.

2. Show remorse for your crime.

3. Not be a danger to society.

Maybe he could tick the box on number one but I very much doubt he has shown any remorse and he is still seen as dangerous.

So the question is. Why the hell is he out?"

the problem is that is not a judges decision... its a law decision because it this government that but this is place (basically anyone who is sentenced to more that 5 years is eligable to basically serve half in jail and half on license if they are deemed not to be a danger to the public)

his licensing restrictions are so severe that it is deemed he can't be a danger... for example,

not allowed to talk to the press,

not allowed to go online,

not allowed to publically speak at events,

not allow to talk to certain individuals,

only allowed to go to certain mosques,

not allowed to travel outside the m25,

under house arrest after 8pm,

will be electronically tagged,

and so on and so on.... and if he breaks any of the 25 restrictions then he will go straight back to jail to serve out the rest of his term

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"He obviously hates the west and is an extreme Islamic. However he is a British citizen born here 51yrs ago and has "British rights"! The question is if he hates the UK so much why stay? Go to Afghanistan or wherever his views are tolerated - yes/no?"

Because that’s the way with religions, they see it as thier right to spread it as far over the world as possible.

Just like the Mormons who travel a role the world preaching thier teaching trying to recruit more followers.

Only difference is they don’t want to kill everyone who does not comply with them

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Just moving away from the religious debate for a moment.

I always thought that to be released early, on license, from a prison sentence you had to:

1. Have been of good behaviour while in prison.

2. Show remorse for your crime.

3. Not be a danger to society.

Maybe he could tick the box on number one but I very much doubt he has shown any remorse and he is still seen as dangerous.

So the question is. Why the hell is he out?

his licensing restrictions are so severe that it is deemed he can't be a danger... for example,

not allowed to talk to the press,

not allowed to go online,

not allowed to publically speak at events,

not allow to talk to certain individuals,

only allowed to go to certain mosques,

not allowed to travel outside the m25,

under house arrest after 8pm,

will be electronically tagged,

and so on and so on.... and if he breaks any of the 25 restrictions then he will go straight back to jail to serve out the rest of his term"

This is true but him with crowds of photographers publishing phots of him grinning like a Cheshire Cat speaks volumes to his followers and other idiots

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Because that’s the way with religions, they see it as thier right to spread it as far over the world as possible.

Just like the Mormons who travel a role the world preaching thier teaching trying to recruit more followers.

Only difference is they don’t want to kill everyone who does not comply with them"

But what's the solution - loads of opinions but no solutions!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Because that’s the way with religions, they see it as thier right to spread it as far over the world as possible.

Just like the Mormons who travel a role the world preaching thier teaching trying to recruit more followers.

Only difference is they don’t want to kill everyone who does not comply with them

But what's the solution - loads of opinions but no solutions! "

If we were Russians it would be easy but as British we are bound by a sence of fair play

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Because that’s the way with religions, they see it as thier right to spread it as far over the world as possible.

Just like the Mormons who travel a role the world preaching thier teaching trying to recruit more followers.

Only difference is they don’t want to kill everyone who does not comply with them"

Historically, Extremists, and I mean all extremists killed everyone who did not comply.

It’s time you took a history lesson, human history has been littered with blood at the hand of extremists.

Narrow thought, leads to narrow Ideas, leads to a narrow mind. Expand your outlook, and realise.

Man is not a perfect being, hypocrisy is everywhere.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The main difference is that many people have moved on from the dark ages but some still cling to them.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Sake I’d shit this is about choudry but we end up with what about Christianity and the white haters like tommy this is what’s happening as soon as the Asian grooming gangs are mentioned on here Just Asian ( sorry Muslim ) r##e gangs...let's not do a sky news here....a minority ( which is growing ) is dictating to the majority in England,you guys are all ready heading quietly to a twin legal system in the uk...one the law of the land in England the other sharia courts...choudry wants sharia...sharia is a part of Islam and Islam is not tolerance and peace and teddy bears ...my god you had an off duty soldier hacked to death in broad daylight on the streets off England amongst a litany of other terrorist attacks and anyone who high lights this or anything else is far right..."

Just to be clear. All intolerant people of various degrees, from you and your I’ll informed rant, to Tommy Robinson, to Choudry, to Trump, to Abu Hamza etc are all parts of the same hate filled problem.

Should there be a line between free speech and hate speech? For me personally, people will say and think anything anyway. So we should not have regulation to stop them. But all reasonable people should correct them, and have the freedom to call them out on their bullshit. This would be a much more effective method of ridding their views from society.

The right wingers love to use “free speech” to defend hate speech, then bitch and moan when other people use the same freedom to tell them that their rhetoric is a load of bollocks.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why would a member of the serving military want to have his picture taken with the leader of a far right organisation?

Well I can say this for tommy, he’s got you convinced, it didn’t take much for you to be groomed, just like anjem did to those muslims.

Here’s another thing, a person who shows a picture of himself with a rifle, is making up for some deficiency

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

"Sake I’d shit this is about choudry but we end up with what about Christianity and the white haters like tommy this is what’s happening as soon as the Asian grooming gangs are mentioned on here

and yet nothing about the cardiff gang of groomers who were convicted exactly 24 hrs before....

if you end up mentioning one... but not mentioning the other, then people will ask if there is a motive behind doing that........

best guess is that is don't serve the narrative someone people are pushing...."
_abio iv never read a post of you where u come out against Asian grooming gangs it’s weird mate was this Cardiff grooming gang all British white men targeting Asian school girls iv not read anything about them ?

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By *oan of DArcCouple over a year ago

Glasgow

",you guys are all ready heading quietly to a twin legal system in the uk...one the law of the land in England the other sharia courts..."

If you know how English law works youll know we're not heading to a 'twin legal system' or anything like it.

It's that kind of false assumption rhetoric that gives succour to the extremists on both sides.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

I don't recall Tommy Robinson latching onto the case of Leigh McMillan.

He was a leading figure in the English Defence League.

In February, he was jailed for 17 years for grooming, assaulting and attempting to r*pe a 10 year old girl.

Perhaps I missed the publicity?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Because that’s the way with religions, they see it as thier right to spread it as far over the world as possible.

Just like the Mormons who travel a role the world preaching thier teaching trying to recruit more followers.

Only difference is they don’t want to kill everyone who does not comply with them

Historically, Extremists, and I mean all extremists killed everyone who did not comply.

It’s time you took a history lesson, human history has been littered with blood at the hand of extremists.

Narrow thought, leads to narrow Ideas, leads to a narrow mind. Expand your outlook, and realise.

Man is not a perfect being, hypocrisy is everywhere. "

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

"Sake I’d shit this is about choudry but we end up with what about Christianity and the white haters like tommy this is what’s happening as soon as the Asian grooming gangs are mentioned on here Just Asian ( sorry Muslim ) r##e gangs...let's not do a sky news here....a minority ( which is growing ) is dictating to the majority in England,you guys are all ready heading quietly to a twin legal system in the uk...one the law of the land in England the other sharia courts...choudry wants sharia...sharia is a part of Islam and Islam is not tolerance and peace and teddy bears ...my god you had an off duty soldier hacked to death in broad daylight on the streets off England amongst a litany of other terrorist attacks and anyone who high lights this or anything else is far right..."

Jeeeze!

You join a golf club and you abide by their rules.

But their rules do not trump the law of the land.

Some people choose to join a community group and abide by sharia rules.

Similarly, those rules do not trump the law of the land.

Twin legal system? Lololololol

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By *oan of DArcCouple over a year ago

Glasgow

"Sake I’d shit this is about choudry but we end up with what about Christianity and the white haters like tommy this is what’s happening as soon as the Asian grooming gangs are mentioned on here Just Asian ( sorry Muslim ) r##e gangs...let's not do a sky news here....a minority ( which is growing ) is dictating to the majority in England,you guys are all ready heading quietly to a twin legal system in the uk...one the law of the land in England the other sharia courts...choudry wants sharia...sharia is a part of Islam and Islam is not tolerance and peace and teddy bears ...my god you had an off duty soldier hacked to death in broad daylight on the streets off England amongst a litany of other terrorist attacks and anyone who high lights this or anything else is far right...

Jeeeze!

You join a golf club and you abide by their rules.

But their rules do not trump the law of the land.

Some people choose to join a community group and abide by sharia rules.

Similarly, those rules do not trump the law of the land.

Twin legal system? Lololololol

Great examples there

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By *oan of DArcCouple over a year ago

Glasgow

" and anyone who high lights this or anything else is far right..."

No not 'anyone', just the far right ones.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Because that’s the way with religions, they see it as thier right to spread it as far over the world as possible.

Just like the Mormons who travel a role the world preaching thier teaching trying to recruit more followers.

Only difference is they don’t want to kill everyone who does not comply with them"
Exactly

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why would a member of the serving military want to have his picture taken with the leader of a far right organisation?

Well I can say this for tommy, he’s got you convinced, it didn’t take much for you to be groomed, just like anjem did to those muslims.

Here’s another thing, a person who shows a picture of himself with a rifle, is making up for some deficiency

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oh shit...i better change it so my deficiency offends your little heart...or may guns scare you

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Sake I’d shit this is about choudry but we end up with what about Christianity and the white haters like tommy this is what’s happening as soon as the Asian grooming gangs are mentioned on here Just Asian ( sorry Muslim ) r##e gangs...let's not do a sky news here....a minority ( which is growing ) is dictating to the majority in England,you guys are all ready heading quietly to a twin legal system in the uk...one the law of the land in England the other sharia courts...choudry wants sharia...sharia is a part of Islam and Islam is not tolerance and peace and teddy bears ...my god you had an off duty soldier hacked to death in broad daylight on the streets off England amongst a litany of other terrorist attacks and anyone who high lights this or anything else is far right...

Jeeeze!

You join a golf club and you abide by their rules.

But their rules do not trump the law of the land.

Some people choose to join a community group and abide by sharia rules.

Similarly, those rules do not trump the law of the land.

Twin legal system? Lololololol

"
So it's all a big lie that their are no sharia courts in the uk and that no go areas exist in the uk..

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By *oan of DArcCouple over a year ago

Glasgow

Only difference is they don’t want to kill everyone who does not comply with them

Exactly"

More nonesense.

In my five decades of life I've never encountered a Muslim who wants to kill me or has done me harm other than feed me a maliciously hot curry on a particularly racous Friday night.

That's not to say such Muslims don't exist but they're very much in the minority.

What's your day to day experience of Muslims? Met many who want to kill you?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Sake I’d shit this is about choudry but we end up with what about Christianity and the white haters like tommy this is what’s happening as soon as the Asian grooming gangs are mentioned on here

and yet nothing about the cardiff gang of groomers who were convicted exactly 24 hrs before....

if you end up mentioning one... but not mentioning the other, then people will ask if there is a motive behind doing that........

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

"Sake I’d shit this is about choudry but we end up with what about Christianity and the white haters like tommy this is what’s happening as soon as the Asian grooming gangs are mentioned on here

and yet nothing about the cardiff gang of groomers who were convicted exactly 24 hrs before....

if you end up mentioning one... but not mentioning the other, then people will ask if there is a motive behind doing that........

best guess is that is don't serve the narrative someone people are pushing...._abio iv never read a post of you where u come out against Asian grooming gangs it’s weird mate was this Cardiff grooming gang all British white men targeting Asian school girls iv not read anything about them ?husband and wife. I don’t know the ethnicity of the victims. Does it matter ?"
well a husband and wife are hardly an organized grooming gang and the Asian gangs target young white British girls so I’d say it does

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Sake I’d shit this is about choudry but we end up with what about Christianity and the white haters like tommy this is what’s happening as soon as the Asian grooming gangs are mentioned on here

and yet nothing about the cardiff gang of groomers who were convicted exactly 24 hrs before....

if you end up mentioning one... but not mentioning the other, then people will ask if there is a motive behind doing that........

best guess is that is don't serve the narrative someone people are pushing...._abio iv never read a post of you where u come out against Asian grooming gangs it’s weird mate was this Cardiff grooming gang all British white men targeting Asian school girls iv not read anything about them ?husband and wife. I don’t know the ethnicity of the victims. Does it matter ? well a husband and wife are hardly an organized grooming gang and the Asian gangs target young white British girls so I’d say it does "
id agree it’s not a gang... but they had a number of victims, not too far off the recent gang.

Still don’t know why what race they “target” makes a difference ? Or indeed that race of the perpetrators.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Only difference is they don’t want to kill everyone who does not comply with them

Exactly

More nonesense.

In my five decades of life I've never encountered a Muslim who wants to kill me or has done me harm other than feed me a maliciously hot curry on a particularly racous Friday night.

That's not to say such Muslims don't exist but they're very much in the minority.

What's your day to day experience of Muslims? Met many who want to kill you?

Not really as I don’t mix with many Muslims

I think it’s all a croc of doodahh the same as any other religions

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

"Sake I’d shit this is about choudry but we end up with what about Christianity and the white haters like tommy this is what’s happening as soon as the Asian grooming gangs are mentioned on here

and yet nothing about the cardiff gang of groomers who were convicted exactly 24 hrs before....

if you end up mentioning one... but not mentioning the other, then people will ask if there is a motive behind doing that........

best guess is that is don't serve the narrative someone people are pushing...._abio iv never read a post of you where u come out against Asian grooming gangs it’s weird mate was this Cardiff grooming gang all British white men targeting Asian school girls iv not read anything about them ?husband and wife. I don’t know the ethnicity of the victims. Does it matter ? well a husband and wife are hardly an organized grooming gang and the Asian gangs target young white British girls so I’d say it does id agree it’s not a gang... but they had a number of victims, not too far off the recent gang.

Still don’t know why what race they “target” makes a difference ? Or indeed that race of the perpetrators. "
because it’s not just a sex crime it’s also a race crime aswell if it was white male gangs targeting young Asian girls do you not think it would be a race crime also ?

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

"Sake I’d shit this is about choudry but we end up with what about Christianity and the white haters like tommy this is what’s happening as soon as the Asian grooming gangs are mentioned on here Just Asian ( sorry Muslim ) r##e gangs...let's not do a sky news here....a minority ( which is growing ) is dictating to the majority in England,you guys are all ready heading quietly to a twin legal system in the uk...one the law of the land in England the other sharia courts...choudry wants sharia...sharia is a part of Islam and Islam is not tolerance and peace and teddy bears ...my god you had an off duty soldier hacked to death in broad daylight on the streets off England amongst a litany of other terrorist attacks and anyone who high lights this or anything else is far right...

Jeeeze!

You join a golf club and you abide by their rules.

But their rules do not trump the law of the land.

Some people choose to join a community group and abide by sharia rules.

Similarly, those rules do not trump the law of the land.

Twin legal system? Lololololol

So it's all a big lie that their are no sharia courts in the uk and that no go areas exist in the uk.."

I'd stop listening to Donald Trump if I was you

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Sake I’d shit this is about choudry but we end up with what about Christianity and the white haters like tommy this is what’s happening as soon as the Asian grooming gangs are mentioned on here Just Asian ( sorry Muslim ) r##e gangs...let's not do a sky news here....a minority ( which is growing ) is dictating to the majority in England,you guys are all ready heading quietly to a twin legal system in the uk...one the law of the land in England the other sharia courts...choudry wants sharia...sharia is a part of Islam and Islam is not tolerance and peace and teddy bears ...my god you had an off duty soldier hacked to death in broad daylight on the streets off England amongst a litany of other terrorist attacks and anyone who high lights this or anything else is far right...

Jeeeze!

You join a golf club and you abide by their rules.

But their rules do not trump the law of the land.

Some people choose to join a community group and abide by sharia rules.

Similarly, those rules do not trump the law of the land.

Twin legal system? Lololololol

So it's all a big lie that their are no sharia courts in the uk and that no go areas exist in the uk..

I'd stop listening to Donald Trump if I was you

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Yeah because it's trump putting that out there..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Sake I’d shit this is about choudry but we end up with what about Christianity and the white haters like tommy this is what’s happening as soon as the Asian grooming gangs are mentioned on here

and yet nothing about the cardiff gang of groomers who were convicted exactly 24 hrs before....

if you end up mentioning one... but not mentioning the other, then people will ask if there is a motive behind doing that........

best guess is that is don't serve the narrative someone people are pushing...._abio iv never read a post of you where u come out against Asian grooming gangs it’s weird mate was this Cardiff grooming gang all British white men targeting Asian school girls iv not read anything about them ?husband and wife. I don’t know the ethnicity of the victims. Does it matter ? well a husband and wife are hardly an organized grooming gang and the Asian gangs target young white British girls so I’d say it does id agree it’s not a gang... but they had a number of victims, not too far off the recent gang.

Still don’t know why what race they “target” makes a difference ? Or indeed that race of the perpetrators. because it’s not just a sex crime it’s also a race crime aswell if it was white male gangs targeting young Asian girls do you not think it would be a race crime also ?"
can white people not target white victims ? Tbh I feel focusing on race of the perpetrators and victims risks providing a platform for another agenda, rather than protecting the vunerable. The news coverage and out rage for the Cardiff couple has been minimal.

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

Can Asian not target Asian girls then ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Sake I’d shit this is about choudry but we end up with what about Christianity and the white haters like tommy this is what’s happening as soon as the Asian grooming gangs are mentioned on here Just Asian ( sorry Muslim ) r##e gangs...let's not do a sky news here....a minority ( which is growing ) is dictating to the majority in England,you guys are all ready heading quietly to a twin legal system in the uk...one the law of the land in England the other sharia courts...choudry wants sharia...sharia is a part of Islam and Islam is not tolerance and peace and teddy bears ...my god you had an off duty soldier hacked to death in broad daylight on the streets off England amongst a litany of other terrorist attacks and anyone who high lights this or anything else is far right...

Jeeeze!

You join a golf club and you abide by their rules.

But their rules do not trump the law of the land.

Some people choose to join a community group and abide by sharia rules.

Similarly, those rules do not trump the law of the land.

Twin legal system? Lololololol

"
Good to see you can know law so well so I'm sure your good at figures....2004 survey showed 26% of British Muslims had no loyalty to Britain.....13% DEFENDED Islamic terrorism and 1% were engaged in terrorist activity at home or abroad or supported such activity but you'll say 1% is a small number ( I'm sure ye will ) so that leaves you with only sixteen thousand terrorists or terrorist supporters amount British Muslims..but it's such a small number and it was waay back in 2004 so I'm sure you'll be fine..

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By *oan of DArcCouple over a year ago

Glasgow

"Sake I’d shit this is about choudry but we end up with what about Christianity and the white haters like tommy this is what’s happening as soon as the Asian grooming gangs are mentioned on here Just Asian ( sorry Muslim ) r##e gangs...let's not do a sky news here....a minority ( which is growing ) is dictating to the majority in England,you guys are all ready heading quietly to a twin legal system in the uk...one the law of the land in England the other sharia courts...choudry wants sharia...sharia is a part of Islam and Islam is not tolerance and peace and teddy bears ...my god you had an off duty soldier hacked to death in broad daylight on the streets off England amongst a litany of other terrorist attacks and anyone who high lights this or anything else is far right...

Jeeeze!

You join a golf club and you abide by their rules.

But their rules do not trump the law of the land.

Some people choose to join a community group and abide by sharia rules.

Similarly, those rules do not trump the law of the land.

Twin legal system? Lololololol

Good to see you can know law so well so I'm sure your good at figures....2004 survey showed 26% of British Muslims had no loyalty to Britain.....13% DEFENDED Islamic terrorism and 1% were engaged in terrorist activity at home or abroad or supported such activity but you'll say 1% is a small number ( I'm sure ye will ) so that leaves you with only sixteen thousand terrorists or terrorist supporters amount British Muslims..but it's such a small number and it was waay back in 2004 so I'm sure you'll be fine.."

Could you provide a link to this 14 year old 'survey' so we can make a full assessment of salient points? Thanks

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By *oan of DArcCouple over a year ago

Glasgow

"Can Asian not target Asian girls then ?"

Would that make it a little more acceptable for you?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Can Asian not target Asian girls then ?"

If they had been preying in Asian girls thier own community would have got more involved bacause they were white blind eyes were turned

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By *oan of DArcCouple over a year ago

Glasgow

What's your day to day experience of Muslims? Met many who want to kill you?

Not really as I don’t mix with many Muslims

I think it’s all a croc of doodahh the same as any other religions "

You can 'mix' with Muslims without being inculcated you know!

Ps I think Islam is a crock of doodah too but am still able to count Muslims I know as friends.

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By *oan of DArcCouple over a year ago

Glasgow

"Can Asian not target Asian girls then ?

If they had been preying in Asian girls thier own community would have got more involved bacause they were white blind eyes were turned "

*Sigh* like the football coach abuses, care home abuses, celebrity abuses, Catholic school abuses??

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Sake I’d shit this is about choudry but we end up with what about Christianity and the white haters like tommy this is what’s happening as soon as the Asian grooming gangs are mentioned on here Just Asian ( sorry Muslim ) r##e gangs...let's not do a sky news here....a minority ( which is growing ) is dictating to the majority in England,you guys are all ready heading quietly to a twin legal system in the uk...one the law of the land in England the other sharia courts...choudry wants sharia...sharia is a part of Islam and Islam is not tolerance and peace and teddy bears ...my god you had an off duty soldier hacked to death in broad daylight on the streets off England amongst a litany of other terrorist attacks and anyone who high lights this or anything else is far right...

Jeeeze!

You join a golf club and you abide by their rules.

But their rules do not trump the law of the land.

Some people choose to join a community group and abide by sharia rules.

Similarly, those rules do not trump the law of the land.

Twin legal system? Lololololol

Could you provide a link to this 14 year old 'survey' so we can make a full assessment of salient points? Thanks

....

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

"Can Asian not target Asian girls then ?

Would that make it a little more acceptable for you?"
don’t be so stupid why say that I was pointing out it’s a race crime aswel as a sex crime because of how they see young white girls

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Can Asian not target Asian girls then ?

If they had been preying in Asian girls thier own community would have got more involved bacause they were white blind eyes were turned

*Sigh* like the football coach abuses, care home abuses, celebrity abuses, Catholic school abuses??"

Yes blind eyes were also turned there as well but this was a group of 12 Asian men, are you trying to say that nobody else in thier community did not know ?

It is as abhorrent to me as it is to you but something on that scale is hard to hind for so long

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Can Asian not target Asian girls then ?

If they had been preying in Asian girls thier own community would have got more involved bacause they were white blind eyes were turned

*Sigh* like the football coach abuses, care home abuses, celebrity abuses, Catholic school abuses??"
And none of that abuse should have been allowed only a twisted individual would think so but it was condemned...it was highlighted and hopefully justice served....or do you think because those abuses happend..at risk white girl's should be ignored for political correctness and multiculturalism

..Huddersfield..Muslim R##E gang of 20 men used,abused and degraded white English girls as young as 11,one piece of scum fled to Pakistan..the shock huh..but the real kick in the face to these young girls was the English justice system..these F###S got between 5/6 years...are you ok with that...choudry preaches hate from the Koran...a book that is utterly contemptuous to all non Muslims ( a clue for you there that's us including u )...and a religion still rooted in 7th century teachings which people like u think are compatible with democracy and equality so is it any wonder Muslim men treat non Muslims especially women with contempt as has been the case with every R##E gang that has been uncovered...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Anyone care to guess the religion of the ringleader of this “Muslim” r@pe gang ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Anyone care to guess the religion of the ringleader of this “Muslim” r@pe gang ?"
well it wasn't the Dali lama...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why would a member of the serving military want to have his picture taken with the leader of a far right organisation?

Well I can say this for tommy, he’s got you convinced, it didn’t take much for you to be groomed, just like anjem did to those muslims.

Here’s another thing, a person who shows a picture of himself with a rifle, is making up for some deficiency

oh shit...i better change it so my deficiency offends your little heart...or may guns scare you "

Oh not at all, but when someone is holding a rifle in a picture on a swinging site it does beg the question, is there something mentally wrong the person

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Can Asian not target Asian girls then ?

If they had been preying in Asian girls thier own community would have got more involved bacause they were white blind eyes were turned

*Sigh* like the football coach abuses, care home abuses, celebrity abuses, Catholic school abuses??And none of that abuse should have been allowed only a twisted individual would think so but it was condemned...it was highlighted and hopefully justice served....or do you think because those abuses happend..at risk white girl's should be ignored for political correctness and multiculturalism

7th century teaching, christianity is 1st Century teaching, are you saying christianity is not compatible also then?

I am 100% certain there are many “men” who treat women contempt, you don’t need to be muslim to be a pussy grabbing, sexist, cheating bigot, look who in the white house now

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why would a member of the serving military want to have his picture taken with the leader of a far right organisation?

Well I can say this for tommy, he’s got you convinced, it didn’t take much for you to be groomed, just like anjem did to those muslims.

Here’s another thing, a person who shows a picture of himself with a rifle, is making up for some deficiency

oh shit...i better change it so my deficiency offends your little heart...or may guns scare you

Oh not at all, but when someone is holding a rifle in a picture on a swinging site it does beg the question, is there something mentally wrong the person

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so it's mentally wrong to serves ones country.....hope you don't think that of your fellow country men who wear a uniform and pick up a rifle..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Can Asian not target Asian girls then ?

If they had been preying in Asian girls thier own community would have got more involved bacause they were white blind eyes were turned

7th century teaching, christianity is 1st Century teaching, are you saying christianity is not compatible also then?

I am 100% certain there are many “men” who treat women contempt, you don’t need to be muslim to be a pussy grabbing, sexist, cheating bigot, look who in the white house now

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slowly....very slowly Christianity has got with the times as such...last time I looked if I want to leave the Christian church to be a Buddhist i can,knowing i won't be killed for it....can't say the same for Islam...as for your other claim yes there are men who are the above hell there are women who are no angels either...but if western men are such pussys i suggest you research honour killings ( mostly an Islamic practice ) or fgm..actually look up the Muslim practice of m'uta...go on goggle it...or Iran a beacon of Liberty

...Atefeh Rajabi was hanged in a public square after being charged with " adultery " which really Ment she was R###D she was 15...so spare me the BS on trump.....2002 Mecca...15 schoolgirls burnt to death in a fire because religious officials wouldn't let them seek refuge outside without their head coverings.....but yeah your right western men are pigs

...the lovely Koran again 4:34...Men have authority over women,for that God has preferred in bounty one of them over the other another and for that they have expended of their property...and those ( women ) you fear may be rebellious,admonish them to their couches and beat them....so do me a favour stop being an apologist for Islam / Islamic extremists there is enough of ye about already..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Self hating white liberal snowflakes will forever attempt to deflect away from the crimes committed by these Muslim fundamentalist, by harping on about the Christian fundamentalists of the distant past. Even though it is soooo predictable, and in real time totally irrelevant.

Yes we had the crusades, when was that again, and why is it relevant? We had which hunts and killed people for nothing. Yet again a long long time ago and utterly irrelevant.

What is happening NOW, not just in the Islamic world, but here in the UK, is unacceptable and inexcusable. Yet we have the same crap emanating from the same sources, who quite obviously would take sides with the devil himself, if patriotic Brits were on the other side.

In fact I’m almost desensitised to them these days. Their drivel is pathetic, and oh so predictable.

Choudary is a monster, I don’t care where he was born. He doesn’t belong among the good people in this country. He could no doubt have all the changes he wants if he relocated to Pakistan, or any of many other Islamic countries. The problem he would have is that he would be largely anonymous in one of those places, because all of what he is asking for is already there.

So fuck off Choudary, take all your mates, don’t let the door hit your arse and don’t come back, ever.

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

Only difference is they don’t want to kill everyone who does not comply with them

Exactly

More nonesense.

In my five decades of life I've never encountered a Muslim who wants to kill me or has done me harm other than feed me a maliciously hot curry on a particularly racous Friday night.

That's not to say such Muslims don't exist but they're very much in the minority.

What's your day to day experience of Muslims? Met many who want to kill you?

Exactly

There are people in this country who are losing all sense of perspective about this. We lived in Bolton for a few years and many of our neighbours were Muslims. They were overwhelmingly friendly and neighbourly and always displayed very strong family values with all ages in every generation having family responsibilities.

Radicalisation is clearly a problem as is this issue with Grooming, but it is not mainstream - nowhere even close. If it was everyone else would have been dead long ago lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Only difference is they don’t want to kill everyone who does not comply with them

Exactly

More nonesense.

In my five decades of life I've never encountered a Muslim who wants to kill me or has done me harm other than feed me a maliciously hot curry on a particularly racous Friday night.

That's not to say such Muslims don't exist but they're very much in the minority.

What's your day to day experience of Muslims? Met many who want to kill you?

Exactly

Radicalisation is clearly a problem as is this issue with Grooming, but it is not mainstream - nowhere even close. If it was everyone else would have been dead long ago lol"
I would love to see in 15/20 years time you still think so....

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

I seem to recall the Sun splashing that on its front page.

It was followed by an apology when shown to be fake news.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"He's a groomer of vulnerable people much like a pedophile .A pathetic human being that without his ability to to communicate his hate is a nobody."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I seem to recall the Sun splashing that on its front page.

It was followed by an apology when shown to be fake news.

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fake news or as it has been the case in the past that if something offends Muslims sensibility's it's taken down straight away....as it seems when the Muslim nation is offended in some small way no matter how trivial it responds violently.....or was the Charlie hebdo murders fake news too.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

No, it was shown to be fake news.

People complained in their thousands to the press body.

The Sun completely misinterpreted the survey in order to make the story fit a narrative to smear every muslim.

Just as you are doing.

When it comes to Islamic terrorism, by the far the greatest number of victims are . . . other muslims.

Just as most people during the Irish troubles could distinguish between an Irish citizen and an Irish criminal, so most people today can distinguish between a muslim citizen and a muslim criminal.

Despite your best attempts to smear all as terrorist fanatics.

Are you a Russian bot?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Varied comments but what are the solutions? How do we solve the problem of

"Freed terrorists or those returning from the likes of Syria?

How do we prevent radicalisation?

As much as we moan about it what should the government be doing (other than brexit)?

I personally think we start with sentencing - if someone is sentenced to 5 years that's what they do - if they are a model prisoner - if not they get time added on.

Terrorism by its very nature is it ever safe to let them out?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No, it was shown to be fake news.

People complained in their thousands to the press body.

The Sun completely misinterpreted the survey in order to make the story fit a narrative to smear every muslim.

Just as you are doing.

When it comes to Islamic terrorism, by the far the greatest number of victims are . . . other muslims.

Just as most people during the Irish troubles could distinguish between an Irish citizen and an Irish criminal, so most people today can distinguish between a muslim citizen and a muslim criminal.

Despite your best attempts to smear all as terrorist fanatics.

Are you a Russian bot?

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il laugh at the Russian bot...il peg you as some one very disappointed Clinton lost the presidency to trump if so get over it...as for the Irish comparison don't even go there both are nothing alike

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By *omfilthMan over a year ago

Gloucester

I seem to recall the Sun splashing that on its front page.

It was followed by an apology when shown to be fake news.

fake news or as it has been the case in the past that if something offends Muslims sensibility's it's taken down straight away....as it seems when the Muslim nation is offended in some small way no matter how trivial it responds violently.....or was the Charlie hebdo murders fake news too."

Fake news has to be banned! Only the facts need to be reported on

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By *oan of DArcCouple over a year ago

Glasgow

"Varied comments but what are the solutions? How do we solve the problem of

"Freed terrorists or those returning from the likes of Syria?

How do we prevent radicalisation?

As much as we moan about it what should the government be doing (other than brexit)?

I personally think we start with sentencing - if someone is sentenced to 5 years that's what they do - if they are a model prisoner - if not they get time added on.

Terrorism by its very nature is it ever safe to let them out?"

Potential solutions?

Let's stop demonising a whole religion/culture based on the activities of a minority. Impressionable youth are drawn to the fringes if they're not embraced by the mainstream.

The problem with Islamic terrorism is that often the perpetrators are dead, killed by their own hand. So we need to support and develop the Prevent agenda to stop young Muslims being indoctrinated into extremism.

Have a programme of moving extremists around different prisons to reduce the influence of extremist leaders within prisons, also watch closely who these prisoners congregate with and disrupt their associations (sure this is probably done already).

Promote inclusivity and equality in schools/colleges/workplaces, Muslims don't have three heads but some need to be encouraged to participate, women especially who have a big influence on their children.

Convicted terrorists already receive mandatory life sentences with high minimums, let's make sure they spend the best part of their lives in jail.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Regarding schools I would ban all faith schools .No Islamic schools no catholic schools .It's religious apartheid and only creates problems.You want integration then start with children .Thats your only hope .

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By *rMrsWestMidsCouple over a year ago

Dudley

"Regarding schools I would ban all faith schools .No Islamic schools no catholic schools .It's religious apartheid and only creates problems.You want integration then start with children .Thats your only hope ."

No idea about Islamic schools but catholic/CofE schools have a mix of pupils from all backgrounds/faiths they are not exclusively for children of that faith so there is no apartheid going on !

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

"He is a poster-boy for return of the Treason Act and capital punishment for treason and inciting treason."
Oh I do agree,bring it on

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By *oan of DArcCouple over a year ago

Glasgow

".you won't GET integration with Islam...you have one choice CONVERT or Die "

Oh please!!

Do you know how foolish that statement makes you look?!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

".you won't GET integration with Islam...you have one choice CONVERT or Die

Oh please!!

Do you know how foolish that statement makes you look?!

"
Maybe to a liberal like you.....or maybe you should open a history book...or better yet talk to the victims of the 22 or so Asian ( ie muslin ) R##E gangs who's victims are mostly white..Christian..English girls to see what Muslim men think of them...but then it doesn't affect some one like you so it seems your fine with that and ANYONE who speaks out against it in yours liberal...leftist mind is a racist and islamiphob.....see how that works out for you in a few years

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

".you won't GET integration with Islam...you have one choice CONVERT or Die

Oh please!!

Do you know how foolish that statement makes you look?!

When did telling the truth make one look foolish? Oh hang on, it’s when the ones pointing the finger at you are pc drones and members of self interest groups.

If they get their way, we will have to convert or die. Anjem Choudary will end up with a seat in Parliament. Way to go libtards!

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By *ingdong11Man over a year ago

emsworth

Why would a member of the serving military want to have his picture taken with the leader of a far right organisation?

Forgive me, I posed a simple question.

What would be your view of a Muslim soldier being pictured with Anjem Choudary or any Islamist for that matter?"

Comparing tommy robinson to anjem choudary is moronic , i have never heard TR call for all non whites or non christians to be killed , because he is against religous extremism he gets called far right ......... if you actually listen to what he says in interviews , he is all for gay rights , gay marriage , peaceful religious worship and has nothing against muslims that want to integrate .

If you actually listened to him properly , he is closer to being a liberal than right wing.

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By *oan of DArcCouple over a year ago

Glasgow

" has nothing against muslims that want to integrate .

Yes but does he and his acolytes want to integrate with Muslims?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

" has nothing against muslims that want to integrate .

Yes but does he and his acolytes want to integrate with Muslims?"

We had an au-pair in the 90's - lovely girl - learnt so much about their culture.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" has nothing against muslims that want to integrate .

Yes but does he and his acolytes want to integrate with Muslims?"
Acolytes...

...think you have things the wrong way around...choudry has Acolytes...last time I checked ( and il make a list if you want ) it wasn't Jews for example blowing up buses...mowing people down as they walked to work...hacking and stabbing people and openly calling for the death of British soldiers and demanding sharia law for England....but yeah Tommy Robinson is the problem....for pointing out what msm media won't and what people like you refuse to see..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" has nothing against muslims that want to integrate .

Yes but does he and his acolytes want to integrate with Muslims?Acolytes...

You, Choudry, Robinson, all the same kind of hate filled people.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" has nothing against muslims that want to integrate .

Yes but does he and his acolytes want to integrate with Muslims?Acolytes...

You, Choudry, Robinson, all the same kind of hate filled people."

No they are not the same, even though I don’t like Robinson I will stick up for him on this.

Choudary is a religious fundamentalist, who has been stirring up hatred of the West among his fellow Islamists. His preaching of hatred includes encouraging Muslims who reside here to go to the Middle East and join ISIS. One of the killers of Lee Rigby was among his flock, as well as poppy burners and the like. He continued to incite hatred and push for Sharia law in this land. His incitement is not only for violence, but for murder and terrorism.

Robinson spoke out against the Islamification of England, the disrespect being shown by groups like that of Choudary’s against our dead servicemen, and the Sharia courts that are popping up throughout this land. Later, as news came through about the grooming, raping, drugging and prostitution of little white girls by mainly Pakistani Muslims, he spoke out about this too. The only thing he encouraged was public outrage and protests. He tried to get his message across to the masses, but was not successful, because he is a crap orator who cannot finish a sentence without swearing.

I would say that Choudary is a big little man, and Robinson is a little big man.

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By *oan of DArcCouple over a year ago

Glasgow

" has nothing against muslims that want to integrate .

Yes but does he and his acolytes want to integrate with Muslims?Acolytes...

Do you know what acolytes mean?

Your comment's incongruous to the post I was responding to.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" has nothing against muslims that want to integrate .

Yes but does he and his acolytes want to integrate with Muslims?Acolytes...

You, Choudry, Robinson, all the same kind of hate filled people."
Priceless...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" has nothing against muslims that want to integrate .

Yes but does he and his acolytes want to integrate with Muslims?Acolytes...

Do you know what acolytes mean?

Your comment's incongruous to the post I was responding to."
il check just to make sure and get back to you

...what I will do is put you in the same box as Naz Shah..an English MP who had on her Twitter page ( I'm sure it's down now )...."abused girls in Rotherham and elsewhere just need to shut their mouths for the good of cultural diversity"........my god have you people lost your bloody minds....your letting your own be used and abused so you can get a warm fluffy feeling about yourselfs as you label anyone who disagrees with you as racists,islamophic,far right and any other crap you can label them in you feel good quest for multiculturalism,inclusivity and coexist bull#### at the expense of others.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

correction .... tommy robnoxious robinson is merely a right wing extremist cunt ... nothing more nothing less .... shit like him and his supporters need to be permanently removed from life in this country

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

But Anjem Choudary is ok, yes? Sounds like you are an “extremist cunt!”

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

But Anjem Choudary is ok, yes? Sounds like you are an “extremist cunt!”

so as usual you make shit up which you then pretend i said and then you go on to call me a cunt .... good work

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

I agree up to a point. If people want their children educated in a faith school, that should be their choice. But like any private school, it should be funded by those parents, not by the taxpayer.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

But Anjem Choudary is ok, yes? Sounds like you are an “extremist cunt!”

so as usual you make shit up which you then pretend i said and then you go on to call me a cunt .... good work

This is a thread about Anjem Choudary, and you didn’t mention his name, or say anything about his supporters. You just ranted about Robinson and his supporters, calling them cunts and saying they want removing from life in this country.

So what about Cowdary and his supporters? Come on!

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

"correction .... tommy robnoxious robinson is merely a right wing extremist cunt ... nothing more nothing less .... shit like him and his supporters need to be permanently removed from life in this country"
do you think choudry should be removed from this country aswell or just Robinson and his supporters ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So I guess this means your a fan muslambs and a corbyn loving anti Semite .Seems legit as you've disrespected our tommy.

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

So I guess this means your a fan muslambs and a corbyn loving anti Semite .Seems legit as you've disrespected our tommy.

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aslong as you don’t disrespect choudry and his friends tho eh bob

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So I guess this means your a fan muslambs and a corbyn loving anti Semite .Seems legit as you've disrespected our tommy.

aslong as you don’t disrespect choudry and his friends tho eh bob "

WoW LoL

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

But Anjem Choudary is ok, yes? Sounds like you are an “extremist cunt!”

so as usual you make shit up which you then pretend i said and then you go on to call me a cunt .... good work

and that makes it ok for you to break several forum rules including bitching about my post followed by attacking me with personal abuse? i see

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

Just waiting for the other two to pop up with some rants about how vile Robinson is ( which he is btw ) and totally ignor anything about choudry lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Just waiting for the other two to pop up with some rants about how vile Robinson is ( which he is btw ) and totally ignor anything about choudry lol "

I can fill in while you're waiting dude ..has anyone mentioned Jimi saville yet?

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

Not yet bob or the Catholic Church but give it time tho it’s only early but one things for sure the same ppl who do won’t mention the Asian grooming gangs that I have noticed it does make you wonder why tho

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not yet bob or the Catholic Church but give it time tho it’s only early but one things for sure the same ppl who do won’t mention the Asian grooming gangs that I have noticed it does make you wonder why tho "
Not sure i follow here but i know il be labelled as racist / islamophic all the usual far left BS names....what the church did was wrong what the BBC did was wrong....and you think it only happened in the Catholic Church,really ..R##E of any form is Fking wrong......but this was race hate and R##E combined..the girls where abused because 1 they were white 2 non Muslim 3 no one cared about them....but somehow what happened these girls is seen as less important...why because they where sacrificed in the name of political correctness and the need of the British public to not be seen as racist...so they chose to ignore from the Police right down to social services those that needed them most while a shit bag like choudry got to freely preach and spew hate in public for years from a book most adhere to...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yeah if you don't condemn those grooming gangs you've got to wonder .I see only a few have condemned what happened on Ryan air ...Its makes me wonder..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yeah if you don't condemn those grooming gangs you've got to wonder .I see only a few have condemned what happened on Ryan air ...Its makes me wonder..

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What happened on Ryan air

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

It was some lowlife saying shouting racist remarks to an old lady they should of opened the door and chucked him out

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yeah if you don't condemn those grooming gangs you've got to wonder .I see only a few have condemned what happened on Ryan air ...Its makes me wonder..

Yes, the incident on Ryanair was just as bad as the grooming gangs

For fucks sake, what planet are you from?

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

Yeah if you don't condemn those grooming gangs you've got to wonder .I see only a few have condemned what happened on Ryan air ...Its makes me wonder..

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bob there’s not even a thread about Ryan air iv looked so how can ppl comment anyway

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yeah if you don't condemn those grooming gangs you've got to wonder .I see only a few have condemned what happened on Ryan air ...Its makes me wonder..

Yes, the incident on Ryanair was just as bad as the grooming gangs

For fucks sake, what planet are you from?

"
Busting a gut overseas.....dick...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yeah if you don't condemn those grooming gangs you've got to wonder .I see only a few have condemned what happened on Ryan air ...Its makes me wonder..

bob there’s not even a thread about Ryan air iv looked so how can ppl comment anyway "

I know shocking isn't it .I think Fabio mentioned it in another thread ...

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

Aw I could of guessed it would be _abio like lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yeah if you don't condemn those grooming gangs you've got to wonder .I see only a few have condemned what happened on Ryan air ...Its makes me wonder..

Yes, the incident on Ryanair was just as bad as the grooming gangs

For fucks sake, what planet are you from?

Busting a gut overseas.....dick..."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Aw I could of guessed it would be _abio like lol"

Good old Fabio...You would miss him if he left be honest .I miss CLCC.Good times.

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

"Aw I could of guessed it would be _abio like lol

Good old Fabio...You would miss him if he left be honest .I miss CLCC.Good times. "
lmao I would like iv spoke to him a few times at clubf he’s a top bloke tbh the only thing I miss about clcc is his wife’s pics lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Is it an assumption all the victims were white ? I can’t find it from a quick google ... and would have thought someone somewhere would have majored on this ...

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

Realy so do you think a lot of the young girls were Asian aswell I don’t know the numbers either but I’d guess it will be almost allwhite British

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By *hetalkingstoveMan over a year ago

London

"Is it an assumption all the victims were white ? I can’t find it from a quick google ... and would have thought someone somewhere would have majored on this ..."

I would imagine (or hope, at least) that the victims have been given anonymity and the press will minimise reporting on anything that could identify them.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Realy so do you think a lot of the young girls were Asian aswell I don’t know the numbers either but I’d guess it will be almost allwhite British "
i don’t know. That’s why i asked. Feels like a sensible first question before deciding it’s a hate crime.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Is it an assumption all the victims were white ? I can’t find it from a quick google ... and would have thought someone somewhere would have majored on this ...

I would imagine (or hope, at least) that the victims have been given anonymity and the press will minimise reporting on anything that could identify them. "

Agreed. Although not all members of the (self proclaimed) media would necessarily follow this. Was there anything in the prosecution which suggested it was race fuelled ? And before someone jumps on me, I’m just looking for some supporting evidence of the claim rather than denying it to be true.

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

Yeah if you don't condemn those grooming gangs you've got to wonder .I see only a few have condemned what happened on Ryan air ...Its makes me wonder..

Yes, the incident on Ryanair was just as bad as the grooming gangs

For fucks sake, what planet are you from?

Busting a gut overseas.....dick..."

How are the Catholic priests these days...?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Is it an assumption all the victims were white ? I can’t find it from a quick google ... and would have thought someone somewhere would have majored on this ..."
Majored in on this lol,the media have just about reported on it....it was being brought to light nearly ten years ago...by Tommy Robinson no less...but sure what would he know right he just spouts hate speech..if your a leftist

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

But Anjem Choudary is ok, yes? Sounds like you are an “extremist cunt!”

so as usual you make shit up which you then pretend i said and then you go on to call me a cunt .... good work

So what about Cowdary and his supporters? Come on!"

...is it Peacehaven you hail from

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

But Anjem Choudary is ok, yes? Sounds like you are an “extremist cunt!”

so as usual you make shit up which you then pretend i said and then you go on to call me a cunt .... good work

So what about Cowdary and his supporters? Come on!

...is it Peacehaven you hail from

No it’s where I used to live and work. I’m in Saltdean now..

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

If there was a racial element to the grooming gangs, the charge would have been aggravated, i.e. additional tariff on top of the core crime for a crime motivated by racial hatred.

I'm not aware they were charged with aggravation.

That means they did not have enough evidence. Or there was none.

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

If it was mainly white British men praying on mostly Asian girls would you think it was just a sex crime then

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If there was a racial element to the grooming gangs, the charge would have been aggravated, i.e. additional tariff on top of the core crime for a crime motivated by racial hatred.

I'm not aware they were charged with aggravation.

That means they did not have enough evidence. Or there was none.

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The Police in the Rotherham case where more afraid of being labelled racist then of actually doing their job.....so do you really think the police would bring the race element into it...their to bloody politically correct then and now to do their jobs...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If it was mainly white British men praying on mostly Asian girls would you think it was just a sex crime then "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If there was a racial element to the grooming gangs, the charge would have been aggravated, i.e. additional tariff on top of the core crime for a crime motivated by racial hatred.

I'm not aware they were charged with aggravation.

That means they did not have enough evidence. Or there was none.

The Police in the Rotherham case where more afraid of being labelled racist then of actually doing their job.....so do you really think the police would bring the race element into it...their to bloody politically correct then and now to do their jobs..."
the police wouldn’t be the ones prosecuting. It would be the cps.

Iirc from the report in Rotherham there were believed to be Pakistani victims, but the nature of the community meant it was more shrouded.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If there was a racial element to the grooming gangs, the charge would have been aggravated, i.e. additional tariff on top of the core crime for a crime motivated by racial hatred.

I'm not aware they were charged with aggravation.

That means they did not have enough evidence. Or there was none.

The Police in the Rotherham case where more afraid of being labelled racist then of actually doing their job.....so do you really think the police would bring the race element into it...their to bloody politically correct then and now to do their jobs...the police wouldn’t be the ones prosecuting. It would be the cps.

Iirc from the report in Rotherham there were believed to be Pakistani victims, but the nature of the community meant it was more shrouded.

"
Is that Ment to take away from the fact that the vast majority where white,vulnerable English girls

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If there was a racial element to the grooming gangs, the charge would have been aggravated, i.e. additional tariff on top of the core crime for a crime motivated by racial hatred.

I'm not aware they were charged with aggravation.

That means they did not have enough evidence. Or there was none.

The Police in the Rotherham case where more afraid of being labelled racist then of actually doing their job.....so do you really think the police would bring the race element into it...their to bloody politically correct then and now to do their jobs...the police wouldn’t be the ones prosecuting. It would be the cps.

Iirc from the report in Rotherham there were believed to be Pakistani victims, but the nature of the community meant it was more shrouded.

Is that Ment to take away from the fact that the vast majority where white,vulnerable English girls "

No. Not at all. But as the vast majority of vunerable girls are white, I’m asking if this is a race crime, or just a horrific crime. And I only ask because no one has yet shown this to be true, rather than claiming it to be false. I know to many, who struggle to hold more than one idea at a time, this makes me a snowflake, or a sympathisier or what have you, but I believe sex crimes of any nature, by any race, on any race, is horrific. And if we start to use such crimes to score points in other battles, without a true basis for introducing them into these conflicts, we are belittling the victims and making light of their ordeals.

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By *agermeisterMan over a year ago

Leeds

"If there was a racial element to the grooming gangs, the charge would have been aggravated, i.e. additional tariff on top of the core crime for a crime motivated by racial hatred.

I'm not aware they were charged with aggravation.

That means they did not have enough evidence. Or there was none.

The Police in the Rotherham case where more afraid of being labelled racist then of actually doing their job.....so do you really think the police would bring the race element into it...their to bloody politically correct then and now to do their jobs...the police wouldn’t be the ones prosecuting. It would be the cps.

Iirc from the report in Rotherham there were believed to be Pakistani victims, but the nature of the community meant it was more shrouded.

Is that Ment to take away from the fact that the vast majority where white,vulnerable English girls "

Why were they white English and vulnerable? Because maybe their white English parents were fucking useless and/or abusive?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If there was a racial element to the grooming gangs, the charge would have been aggravated, i.e. additional tariff on top of the core crime for a crime motivated by racial hatred.

I'm not aware they were charged with aggravation.

That means they did not have enough evidence. Or there was none.

The Police in the Rotherham case where more afraid of being labelled racist then of actually doing their job.....so do you really think the police would bring the race element into it...their to bloody politically correct then and now to do their jobs...the police wouldn’t be the ones prosecuting. It would be the cps.

Iirc from the report in Rotherham there were believed to be Pakistani victims, but the nature of the community meant it was more shrouded.

Is that Ment to take away from the fact that the vast majority where white,vulnerable English girls

Why were they white English and vulnerable? Because maybe their white English parents were fucking useless and/or abusive?"

Fucking hell - are you saying it's the parents' fault that their daughters were abused?

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By *lbert_shlossedMan over a year ago

Manchester

"If there was a racial element to the grooming gangs, the charge would have been aggravated, i.e. additional tariff on top of the core crime for a crime motivated by racial hatred.

I'm not aware they were charged with aggravation.

That means they did not have enough evidence. Or there was none.

The Police in the Rotherham case where more afraid of being labelled racist then of actually doing their job.....so do you really think the police would bring the race element into it...their to bloody politically correct then and now to do their jobs...the police wouldn’t be the ones prosecuting. It would be the cps.

Iirc from the report in Rotherham there were believed to be Pakistani victims, but the nature of the community meant it was more shrouded.

Is that Ment to take away from the fact that the vast majority where white,vulnerable English girls

Why were they white English and vulnerable? Because maybe their white English parents were fucking useless and/or abusive?"
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That's a disgusting thing to say, I hope your ashamed of yourself.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I blame Jimmy Saville

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By *heislanderMan over a year ago

cheshunt

"If there was a racial element to the grooming gangs, the charge would have been aggravated, i.e. additional tariff on top of the core crime for a crime motivated by racial hatred.

I'm not aware they were charged with aggravation.

That means they did not have enough evidence. Or there was none.

The Police in the Rotherham case where more afraid of being labelled racist then of actually doing their job.....so do you really think the police would bring the race element into it...their to bloody politically correct then and now to do their jobs...the police wouldn’t be the ones prosecuting. It would be the cps.

Iirc from the report in Rotherham there were believed to be Pakistani victims, but the nature of the community meant it was more shrouded.

Is that Ment to take away from the fact that the vast majority where white,vulnerable English girls

Why were they white English and vulnerable? Because maybe their white English parents were fucking useless and/or abusive?"

Really? Does it matter what race or colour they were? Why are people making excuses for Paedophiles and rapists ?

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By *andS66Couple over a year ago

Derby

"If there was a racial element to the grooming gangs, the charge would have been aggravated, i.e. additional tariff on top of the core crime for a crime motivated by racial hatred.

I'm not aware they were charged with aggravation.

That means they did not have enough evidence. Or there was none.

The Police in the Rotherham case where more afraid of being labelled racist then of actually doing their job.....so do you really think the police would bring the race element into it...their to bloody politically correct then and now to do their jobs...the police wouldn’t be the ones prosecuting. It would be the cps.

Iirc from the report in Rotherham there were believed to be Pakistani victims, but the nature of the community meant it was more shrouded.

Is that Ment to take away from the fact that the vast majority where white,vulnerable English girls

Why were they white English and vulnerable? Because maybe their white English parents were fucking useless and/or abusive?"

Oh well, that makes it ok then....

You vile person.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If there was a racial element to the grooming gangs, the charge would have been aggravated, i.e. additional tariff on top of the core crime for a crime motivated by racial hatred.

I'm not aware they were charged with aggravation.

That means they did not have enough evidence. Or there was none.

The Police in the Rotherham case where more afraid of being labelled racist then of actually doing their job.....so do you really think the police would bring the race element into it...their to bloody politically correct then and now to do their jobs...the police wouldn’t be the ones prosecuting. It would be the cps.

Iirc from the report in Rotherham there were believed to be Pakistani victims, but the nature of the community meant it was more shrouded.

Is that Ment to take away from the fact that the vast majority where white,vulnerable English girls

Why were they white English and vulnerable? Because maybe their white English parents were fucking useless and/or abusive?"
Your a F##KING W##KER

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I blame Jimmy Saville

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Not funny

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By *illwill69uMan over a year ago

moston

"You want to execute people for things they say?

If those people are clever qualified lawyers who use speech to convince 120 vulnerable individuals to kill and die for a cause they are unwilling to die for themselves, yes.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

"If it was mainly white British men praying on mostly Asian girls would you think it was just a sex crime then "

It does not matter what any of us believe, or want to believe - it is what stands up in a court of law that matters.

It appears to me that a group of predatory men found a cohort of girls who were pliable when presented with adult male attention, drugs and alcohol.

What was it about that cohort that made them more vulnerable than, say, any other cohort?

There are difficult questions, difficult social and economic issues, in there that can become obscured very easily by the lens of race and prejudice.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If it was mainly white British men praying on mostly Asian girls would you think it was just a sex crime then

It does not matter what any of us believe, or want to believe - it is what stands up in a court of law that matters.

It appears to me that a group of predatory men found a cohort of girls who were pliable when presented with adult male attention, drugs and alcohol.

What was it about that cohort that made them more vulnerable than, say, any other cohort?

There are difficult questions, difficult social and economic issues, in there that can become obscured very easily by the lens of race and prejudice.

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A group..you make it sound like a few bad apples did this...and your nieve if you think race wasn't a factor in any of this..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If it was mainly white British men praying on mostly Asian girls would you think it was just a sex crime then

It does not matter what any of us believe, or want to believe - it is what stands up in a court of law that matters.

It appears to me that a group of predatory men found a cohort of girls who were pliable when presented with adult male attention, drugs and alcohol.

What was it about that cohort that made them more vulnerable than, say, any other cohort?

There are difficult questions, difficult social and economic issues, in there that can become obscured very easily by the lens of race and prejudice.

I agree “class” is as much a common on denominator as race and one easily ignored for headlines. If we wish to avoid repeats we need to look at this. It really does suprise me many ignore this.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

A group..you make it sound like a few bad apples did this...and your nieve if you think race wasn't a factor in any of this.."

A gang of "bad apples", yes.

I'm sure the prosecution would have looked for evidence of a racial crime.

The fact that the crime sheet had no racial aggravation suggests to me the primary factor was the pliability and vulnerability of the cohort.

Would it have mattered to this gang whether they were white, brown or black? I don't know and I suspect you don't either.

Or was it simply this cohort was more vulnerable than any other? And if so, why?

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

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A group..you make it sound like a few bad apples did this...and your nieve if you think race wasn't a factor in any of this..

A gang of "bad apples", yes.

I'm sure the prosecution would have looked for evidence of a racial crime.

The fact that the crime sheet had no racial aggravation suggests to me the primary factor was the pliability and vulnerability of the cohort.

Would it have mattered to this gang whether they were white, brown or black? I don't know and I suspect you don't either.

Or was it simply this cohort was more vulnerable than any other? And if so, why?

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but if it was all white males targetting mainly all Asian girls do you think it would be called a race crime aswell as a sex crime ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A group..you make it sound like a few bad apples did this...and your nieve if you think race wasn't a factor in any of this..

A gang of "bad apples", yes.

I'm sure the prosecution would have looked for evidence of a racial crime.

The fact that the crime sheet had no racial aggravation suggests to me the primary factor was the pliability and vulnerability of the cohort.

Would it have mattered to this gang whether they were white, brown or black? I don't know and I suspect you don't either.

Or was it simply this cohort was more vulnerable than any other? And if so, why?

but if it was all white males targetting mainly all Asian girls do you think it would be called a race crime aswell as a sex crime ?"

If it was done in Asia, I’d suggest it may not. If I commit crimes at random in the Uk, most of my victims will be white. You’d need to show I made efforts to just target white victims to say it was racist. I have seen nothing (yet) to suggest this, be it from the trail, or even confirmation all victims were white. It’s supposition (at the moment) just because the victims were (on the whole) a different race to the perpetrators.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

A group..you make it sound like a few bad apples did this...and your nieve if you think race wasn't a factor in any of this..

A gang of "bad apples", yes.

I'm sure the prosecution would have looked for evidence of a racial crime.

The fact that the crime sheet had no racial aggravation suggests to me the primary factor was the pliability and vulnerability of the cohort.

Would it have mattered to this gang whether they were white, brown or black? I don't know and I suspect you don't either.

Or was it simply this cohort was more vulnerable than any other? And if so, why?

but if it was all white males targetting mainly all Asian girls do you think it would be called a race crime aswell as a sex crime ?"

Straw man.

Where is your evidence that the motivating factor in this case was ethnicity rather than pliability?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A group..you make it sound like a few bad apples did this...and your nieve if you think race wasn't a factor in any of this..

A gang of "bad apples", yes.

I'm sure the prosecution would have looked for evidence of a racial crime.

The fact that the crime sheet had no racial aggravation suggests to me the primary factor was the pliability and vulnerability of the cohort.

Would it have mattered to this gang whether they were white, brown or black? I don't know and I suspect you don't either.

Or was it simply this cohort was more vulnerable than any other? And if so, why?

but if it was all white males targetting mainly all Asian girls do you think it would be called a race crime aswell as a sex crime ?"

Like when European pedophiles move to Thailand and Cambodia and prey on Asian kids???

Can we class this a race crime also?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A group..you make it sound like a few bad apples did this...and your nieve if you think race wasn't a factor in any of this..

A gang of "bad apples", yes.

I'm sure the prosecution would have looked for evidence of a racial crime.

The fact that the crime sheet had no racial aggravation suggests to me the primary factor was the pliability and vulnerability of the cohort.

Would it have mattered to this gang whether they were white, brown or black? I don't know and I suspect you don't either.

Or was it simply this cohort was more vulnerable than any other? And if so, why?

but if it was all white males targetting mainly all Asian girls do you think it would be called a race crime aswell as a sex crime ?

Straw man.

Where is your evidence that the motivating factor in this case was ethnicity rather than pliability?"
Rochdale 24 Muslim R###ISTS.....Rotherham 18 Muslim R###ISTS......Newcastle 19 Muslim R###ISTS....Oxford 14 Muslim R###ISTS......Telford 6 Muslim R###ISTS.....Bristol 13 Muslim R###ISTS.....Huddersfield 20 Muslim R###ISTS....Leeds 6 Muslim R###ISTS.....Dewsbury 4 Muslim R###ISTS.....Derby 2 Muslim R###ISTS......Peterborough 6 Muslim R###ISTS.....Middlesborough 3 Muslim R###ISTS and out of all those scum,one white guy....who's a piece of s##te to just like the rest...that's a lot of bad apples and if you can't see it wasnt race motivated I don't know what will...all those bad apples bar one was white...their victims...WHITE....and the scary thing is apart from it being the tip of the ice berg...liberals and far left will defend these scum

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple over a year ago

London

Given that there have been far more Catholic priest sex offenders than Muslim grooming gang sex offenders, can we say that Catholics are more prone to be sexual abusers than other people and than Catholicism endorses child abuse?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A group..you make it sound like a few bad apples did this...and your nieve if you think race wasn't a factor in any of this..

A gang of "bad apples", yes.

I'm sure the prosecution would have looked for evidence of a racial crime.

The fact that the crime sheet had no racial aggravation suggests to me the primary factor was the pliability and vulnerability of the cohort.

Would it have mattered to this gang whether they were white, brown or black? I don't know and I suspect you don't either.

Or was it simply this cohort was more vulnerable than any other? And if so, why?

but if it was all white males targetting mainly all Asian girls do you think it would be called a race crime aswell as a sex crime ?

Straw man.

Where is your evidence that the motivating factor in this case was ethnicity rather than pliability?Rochdale 24 Muslim R###ISTS.....Rotherham 18 Muslim R###ISTS......Newcastle 19 Muslim R###ISTS....Oxford 14 Muslim R###ISTS......Telford 6 Muslim R###ISTS.....Bristol 13 Muslim R###ISTS.....Huddersfield 20 Muslim R###ISTS....Leeds 6 Muslim R###ISTS.....Dewsbury 4 Muslim R###ISTS.....Derby 2 Muslim R###ISTS......Peterborough 6 Muslim R###ISTS.....Middlesborough 3 Muslim R###ISTS and out of all those scum,one white guy....who's a piece of s##te to just like the rest...that's a lot of bad apples and if you can't see it wasnt race motivated I don't know what will...all those bad apples bar one was white...their victims...WHITE....and the scary thing is apart from it being the tip of the ice berg...liberals and far left will defend these scum "

Nobody defended rapists on this thread of anywhere I’ve seen. Where are you getting this from.

The problem is when people try to turn these horrific crimes into weapons in their perceived race war.

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