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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
the problem is the DUP basically want a hard brexit with free movement of trade and no borders... which is all incompatible...
they know this.... but are waving their mp's at TM because the tories are so weak....
they are going to end up being cast as the really bad guys, which is why they are trying to turn it back at the EU..... |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
anyway we find out next week what will happen one way or another.... if nothing looks like it will agreed at the EU summit next week, then the follow on one in november wont be scheduled.... and we will know we will fall out will no deal because time will run out before it can get ratified... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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in poker terms, the dup have gone all in.... after march 29th they will be a gutless husk of an irrelevance with nothing left to offer.... they will disappear up their own arsehole politically speaking ... a dangerous and self destructive play when they become useless to the torys |
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The backstop is a pipe-dream sold to the gullible in order to give time to precondition the population of NI to he return of 'the troubles'. NI and the UK has had 20 years of relative sectarian peace so it is time for the Tories and their Unionist allies to reignite the near 500 conflict started by Thomas Cromwell to cement Henry VIII's power over England and subjugation of the Catholic population of Ireland.
It's a well proven tactic used by the Tories that when facing political defeat start a war in a colony, send the troops and ride the wave of nationalist fervour to another term in government. |
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Theresa May just seems intent on giving the ultra right wing nutjobs as many opportunities and reasons to continuously demand and achieve closer movement towards their desired position of no deal. The backstop rearing its head again is one of those, where they will achieve everyone else compromising but themselves. May has no depth or integrity in this matter. There should have been red lines created and enforced against the extremists who have zero interest in the uks wellbeing nor its citizens, only focusing on what a tiny minority stands to gain from this.
Article 50 should not have been triggered before the government had a cast iron position on Northern Ireland and other issues - instead, almost 2 years on, they have not even done this. They should be sacked and charlatans like Boris and Rees Mogg barred from political positions for their disruptive influences, leading to this position of government failure
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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Article 50 should not have been triggered before the government had a cast iron position on Northern Ireland and other issues - instead, almost 2 years on, they have not even done this. They should be sacked and charlatans like Boris and Rees Mogg barred from political positions for their disruptive influences, leading to this position of government failure
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The whole thing, from the moment Cameron declared his intent to hold a referendum, has been done on the back of a fag packet.
The lack of planning has been an abysmal failure of governance on a scale I cannot recall ever seeing in my lifetime. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Article 50 should not have been triggered before the government had a cast iron position on Northern Ireland and other issues - instead, almost 2 years on, they have not even done this. They should be sacked and charlatans like Boris and Rees Mogg barred from political positions for their disruptive influences, leading to this position of government failure
The whole thing, from the moment Cameron declared his intent to hold a referendum, has been done on the back of a fag packet.
The lack of planning has been an abysmal failure of governance on a scale I cannot recall ever seeing in my lifetime."
Only because someone lost the fag packet  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I think It's just another way of dragging it out for another 12 months which will certainly be the end of the currant government.
Trouble is if Labour get back in you might as well pull the ladder up because they will start borrowing more money and out us right back to the start again.
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"I think It's just another way of dragging it out for another 12 months which will certainly be the end of the currant government.
Trouble is if Labour get back in you might as well pull the ladder up because they will start borrowing more money and out us right back to the start again.
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Your post illustrates that you are completely ignoring the point of view of the people of Northern Ireland. They voted convincingly (not marginally) to stay in the EU and yet they are being dragged out and having 20 years of relative peace put in jeapordy because of the blinkered wishes of English Nationalists who are seemingly unable to grasp the wider implications of Brexit on anyone else other than those who voted for Brexit at any and all cost. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I think It's just another way of dragging it out for another 12 months which will certainly be the end of the currant government.
Trouble is if Labour get back in you might as well pull the ladder up because they will start borrowing more money and out us right back to the start again.
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Actually borrowing money isn't a bad thing - it depends on what your borrowing it for. If it's used on infrastructure it's good debt as it produces wealth - assets, employment, tax. So not all bad! |
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"I think It's just another way of dragging it out for another 12 months which will certainly be the end of the currant government.
Trouble is if Labour get back in you might as well pull the ladder up because they will start borrowing more money and out us right back to the start again.
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Whilst the fiscally responsible Tory cretins have actually managed to screw the country whilst also increasing the national debt. It's the work of economic illiterates |
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By *ollie1Couple
over a year ago
murcia spain |
we were sold a load of lies by self seeking people and swallowed them
watched rees mog on question time being accused of having money in dublin which he angrily denied
he reeled off a whole list of countries where fund money was but strangely never mentioned the uk |
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Article 50 should not have been triggered before the government had a cast iron position on Northern Ireland and other issues - instead, almost 2 years on, they have not even done this. They should be sacked and charlatans like Boris and Rees Mogg barred from political positions for their disruptive influences, leading to this position of government failure
The whole thing, from the moment Cameron declared his intent to hold a referendum, has been done on the back of a fag packet.
The lack of planning has been an abysmal failure of governance on a scale I cannot recall ever seeing in my lifetime."
I agree 100%  |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
upton wirral |
"anyway we find out next week what will happen one way or another.... if nothing looks like it will agreed at the EU summit next week, then the follow on one in november wont be scheduled.... and we will know we will fall out will no deal because time will run out before it can get ratified..."
So negative so sad
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"I think It's just another way of dragging it out for another 12 months which will certainly be the end of the currant government.
Trouble is if Labour get back in you might as well pull the ladder up because they will start borrowing more money and out us right back to the start again.
Actually borrowing money isn't a bad thing - it depends on what your borrowing it for. If it's used on infrastructure it's good debt as it produces wealth - assets, employment, tax. So not all bad!"
Not true,not all infrastructure produces a return and all loans must eventually be repaid |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The backstop is a pipe-dream sold to the gullible in order to give time to precondition the population of NI to he return of 'the troubles'. NI and the UK has had 20 years of relative sectarian peace so it is time for the Tories and their Unionist allies to reignite the near 500 conflict started by Thomas Cromwell to cement Henry VIII's power over England and subjugation of the Catholic population of Ireland.
It's a well proven tactic used by the Tories that when facing political defeat start a war in a colony, send the troops and ride the wave of nationalist fervour to another term in government. "
Top marks for imagination anyway |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
Barbados |
"I think It's just another way of dragging it out for another 12 months which will certainly be the end of the currant government.
Trouble is if Labour get back in you might as well pull the ladder up because they will start borrowing more money and out us right back to the start again.
Actually borrowing money isn't a bad thing - it depends on what your borrowing it for. If it's used on infrastructure it's good debt as it produces wealth - assets, employment, tax. So not all bad!Not true,not all infrastructure produces a return and all loans must eventually be repaid"
I think the point being made is that borrowing money to invest in infrastructure is actually a tangible thing to invest in. Borrowing money to just plug a hole in finances due to going on a vanity trip of self ham to appease the right wing lunatics is not.
-Matt |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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for the brextremists demanding the retention of sovereignty, then borrowing to build infrastructure would be a priority, rather than to sell the sovereignty and control of our infrastructure to foreign countries .... unless they hadn't thought things through properly lol |
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"we were sold a load of lies by self seeking people and swallowed them
watched rees mog on question time being accused of having money in dublin which he angrily denied
he reeled off a whole list of countries where fund money was but strangely never mentioned the uk"
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I don't think everybody was, just gullible people like yourself maybe?. |
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"for the brextremists demanding the retention of sovereignty, then borrowing to build infrastructure would be a priority, rather than to sell the sovereignty and control of our infrastructure to foreign countries .... unless they hadn't thought things through properly lol"
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I don't think you've thought it through either to be honest, I mean the minute you sell your sovereignty that's the last thing you can ever borrow again.
Even Jeremy Corbyn knows this! And he's a complete retard. |
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Well it seems clear the DUP are happy for there to be no backstop for NI. Mind you, they voted against the Good Friday agreement. We have a Pm who is now a hostage to the DUP, to her own right wing brexiteers and to some of her own cabinet. This is all going swimmingly  |
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By *amnlisaCouple
over a year ago
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When you realise the DUP want a hard border to emphasise the difference between the North and South of the island of Ireland everything else falls in place. They want a hard border with permanent checkpoints. They want a return of the army on the streets. They want no gay marriage and no abortion. They want their own little kingdom to control. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"When you realise the DUP want a hard border to emphasise the difference between the North and South of the island of Ireland everything else falls in place. They want a hard border with permanent checkpoints. They want a return of the army on the streets. They want no gay marriage and no abortion. They want their own little kingdom to control. "
That's so sad - it's not progress it's going backwards! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I think It's just another way of dragging it out for another 12 months which will certainly be the end of the currant government.
Trouble is if Labour get back in you might as well pull the ladder up because they will start borrowing more money and out us right back to the start again.
Actually borrowing money isn't a bad thing - it depends on what your borrowing it for. If it's used on infrastructure it's good debt as it produces wealth - assets, employment, tax. So not all bad!Not true,not all infrastructure produces a return and all loans must eventually be repaid"
You answered and contradicted at the same time. Let's take Hinkley as an example. I personally think it's "bad" infrastructure because of the utimate price "the consumer " is going to have to pay for the expensive electricity! However, that said look at the employment created in the area, the spending in the local area. The cost of materials for the project - manufactured somewhere - all wealth creation! |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
The Brexiteer guide to Britain's borders with the EU:
NI/Ireland - we must have free movement across the border
England/France - we must not have free movement across the border.
That'll work, eh?
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"The cost of materials for the project - manufactured somewhere - all wealth creation! "
In France and Portugal mostly.
All of it able to be moved freely under the terms of the Euratom Treaty.
That is, until March 29 next year.
In the absence of an agreement that recognises UK safeguards after date, a manufacturer of nuclear technology in France and Portugal will be prohibited from exporting it to the UK.
Same goes for the nuclear fuel that runs the existing power stations.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The cost of materials for the project - manufactured somewhere - all wealth creation!
In France and Portugal mostly.
All of it able to be moved freely under the terms of the Euratom Treaty.
That is, until March 29 next year.
In the absence of an agreement that recognises UK safeguards after date, a manufacturer of nuclear technology in France and Portugal will be prohibited from exporting it to the UK.
Same goes for the nuclear fuel that runs the existing power stations.
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I meant the building materials - never thought about the nukes! |
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"The Brexiteer guide to Britain's borders with the EU:
NI/Ireland - we must have free movement across the border
England/France - we must not have free movement across the border.
That'll work, eh?
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Does England/France border have a good Friday agreement to take into consideration????
No. Thought not! |
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"Get ready for a General election. The governments position is hopeless. And it will be a de facto referendum IMO."
A general election, in relation to BREXIT is pointless unless one of two main parties stands on a solid remain platform. And even then there are a lot of people who would never vote Conservative and others who would never vote Labour regardless of the party's stand on BREXIT compared to their own.
If Theresa May can't come back with a deal that she can get through Parliament then the only way forward is a 3rd referendum. But even that might not fully solve it, especially if the result is as close as last time.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The Brexiteer guide to Britain's borders with the EU:
NI/Ireland - we must have free movement across the border
England/France - we must not have free movement across the border.
That'll work, eh?
Does England/France border have a good Friday agreement to take into consideration????
No. Thought not!"
And your point?
The fact that the GFA exits is the problem - we can always break the treaty - aka Trump it. Easy - just do it? |
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