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By *abio OP Man
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
no really a which party would you vote for because that not really the great indicator...
so how do you see yourself?
me... socially liberal but fiscally conservative... i think i am a left leaning independent... or centre left but closer to the centre |
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I am a social democrat who believes in a highly regulated mixed market, strong defences and individual freedom under laws that must apply equally to all bar those who frame and administer that law, are in positions of trust and form opinions who should be held to much higher standards of probity. |
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over a year ago
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I want Brexit to happen but I don't support any parties at the moment as they all lie to gain votes. Liberal is just a fantasy party and want us to hold hands and everything will be OK, Tories like to punish people who's on benefits and labour say some of the right stuff but don't have the math's to back it up |
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Left and right doesn't really mean anything in my opinion. I am a vehement supporter of private property ownership and individual rights. So definately not left, but not necessarily right either. Left wing people struggle to understand how people can hold conservative views but not feel a need to force them upon everyone else. The government should be as small as possible and there is absolutely no need for a department of education.
Ps: the conservative party isn't conservative.
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"no really a which party would you vote for because that not really the great indicator...
so how do you see yourself?
me... socially liberal but fiscally conservative... i think i am a left leaning independent... or centre left but closer to the centre "
That describes me perfectly these days. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Left and right doesn't really mean anything in my opinion. I am a vehement supporter of private property ownership and individual rights. So definately not left, but not necessarily right either. Left wing people struggle to understand how people can hold conservative views but not feel a need to force them upon everyone else. The government should be as small as possible and there is absolutely no need for a department of education.
Ps: the conservative party isn't conservative.
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If left and right don't mean anything in your opinion, the rest of your post is bollocks then! |
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"no really a which party would you vote for because that not really the great indicator...
so how do you see yourself?
me... socially liberal but fiscally conservative... i think i am a left leaning independent... or centre left but closer to the centre "
Similar ish with some centre right stances although my levels of cynicism with the politics and politicians is leading me to the position of fuck the lot of the which I know is not normal..
Could be me age.. |
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"Left and right doesn't really mean anything in my opinion. I am a vehement supporter of private property ownership and individual rights. So definately not left, but not necessarily right either. Left wing people struggle to understand how people can hold conservative views but not feel a need to force them upon everyone else. The government should be as small as possible and there is absolutely no need for a department of education.
Ps: the conservative party isn't conservative.
If left and right don't mean anything in your opinion, the rest of your post is bollocks then! "
Not at all. Left is something you arrive at by excluding people who don't respect the two criteria i gave |
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over a year ago
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"no really a which party would you vote for because that not really the great indicator...
so how do you see yourself?
me... socially liberal but fiscally conservative... i think i am a left leaning independent... or centre left but closer to the centre
Similar ish with some centre right stances although my levels of cynicism with the politics and politicians is leading me to the position of fuck the lot of the which I know is not normal..
Could be me age.. "
A Donkey with the right colour rosette could win anywhere here.
Its a failing system that breeds apathy . |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Left and right doesn't really mean anything in my opinion. I am a vehement supporter of private property ownership and individual rights. So definately not left, but not necessarily right either. Left wing people struggle to understand how people can hold conservative views but not feel a need to force them upon everyone else. The government should be as small as possible and there is absolutely no need for a department of education.
Ps: the conservative party isn't conservative.
If left and right don't mean anything in your opinion, the rest of your post is bollocks then!
Not at all. Left is something you arrive at by excluding people who don't respect the two criteria i gave "
Oh dear, and just because I noticed your hypocritical statement. Never mind  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Nationalist, but not right wing. I believe in Socialist politics with a nationalist govt. The renationalisation of all heavy industry, and extremely strict control of immigration. Some that are already here need to go back, criminals from other nations etc... |
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"Nationalist, but not right wing. I believe in Socialist politics with a nationalist govt. The renationalisation of all heavy industry, and extremely strict control of immigration. Some that are already here need to go back, criminals from other nations etc... "
"National Socialism...?" Think we've tried that before, mate, and it didn't work out too well...
(Please take this post in the spirit it's intended - I'm not calling anyone a Nazi! The language just made me think.) |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Nationalist, but not right wing. I believe in Socialist politics with a nationalist govt. The renationalisation of all heavy industry, and extremely strict control of immigration. Some that are already here need to go back, criminals from other nations etc...
"National Socialism...?" Think we've tried that before, mate, and it didn't work out too well...
(Please take this post in the spirit it's intended - I'm not calling anyone a Nazi! The language just made me think.)"
I think that’s right, haha, some of the stuff this guy posts would make Hermann Goring wince. |
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"Nationalist, but not right wing. I believe in Socialist politics with a nationalist govt. The renationalisation of all heavy industry, and extremely strict control of immigration. Some that are already here need to go back, criminals from other nations etc...
"National Socialism...?" Think we've tried that before, mate, and it didn't work out too well...
(Please take this post in the spirit it's intended - I'm not calling anyone a Nazi! The language just made me think.)
I think that’s right, haha, some of the stuff this guy posts would make Hermann Goring wince."
Ha, I've noticed! Try not to rise to the bait normally... |
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"Nationalist, but not right wing. I believe in Socialist politics with a nationalist govt. The renationalisation of all heavy industry, and extremely strict control of immigration. Some that are already here need to go back, criminals from other nations etc...
"National Socialism...?" Think we've tried that before, mate, and it didn't work out too well...
(Please take this post in the spirit it's intended - I'm not calling anyone a Nazi! The language just made me think.)"
National socialism with a strong focus on immigrants  |
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"Left and right doesn't really mean anything in my opinion. I am a vehement supporter of private property ownership and individual rights. So definately not left, but not necessarily right either. Left wing people struggle to understand how people can hold conservative views but not feel a need to force them upon everyone else. The government should be as small as possible and there is absolutely no need for a department of education.
Ps: the conservative party isn't conservative.
If left and right don't mean anything in your opinion, the rest of your post is bollocks then!
Not at all. Left is something you arrive at by excluding people who don't respect the two criteria i gave
Oh dear, and just because I noticed your hypocritical statement. Never mind "
You not understanding it doesn't make it hypocritical |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Somewhere between Antifa and Bob Dylan .
fuck me! .... you're woody guthrie! .... i should've guessed  "
Ha ha I absolutely love woody maybe because you only need two chords . I relate to him because as he said "I love a good man outside the law, just as much as I hate a bad man inside the law."
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Left and right doesn't really mean anything in my opinion. I am a vehement supporter of private property ownership and individual rights. So definately not left, but not necessarily right either. Left wing people struggle to understand how people can hold conservative views but not feel a need to force them upon everyone else. The government should be as small as possible and there is absolutely no need for a department of education.
Ps: the conservative party isn't conservative.
If left and right don't mean anything in your opinion, the rest of your post is bollocks then!
Not at all. Left is something you arrive at by excluding people who don't respect the two criteria i gave
Oh dear, and just because I noticed your hypocritical statement. Never mind
You not understanding it doesn't make it hypocritical "
Ok, put yer dummy back in |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Left and right doesn't really mean anything in my opinion. I am a vehement supporter of private property ownership and individual rights. So definately not left, but not necessarily right either. Left wing people struggle to understand how people can hold conservative views but not feel a need to force them upon everyone else. The government should be as small as possible and there is absolutely no need for a department of education.
Ps: the conservative party isn't conservative.
If left and right don't mean anything in your opinion, the rest of your post is bollocks then!
Not at all. Left is something you arrive at by excluding people who don't respect the two criteria i gave
Oh dear, and just because I noticed your hypocritical statement. Never mind
You not understanding it doesn't make it hypocritical
Ok, put yer dummy back in "
I’m lost what “right” is, and why that’s not you (OP). |
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"Left and right doesn't really mean anything in my opinion. I am a vehement supporter of private property ownership and individual rights. So definately not left, but not necessarily right either. Left wing people struggle to understand how people can hold conservative views but not feel a need to force them upon everyone else. The government should be as small as possible and there is absolutely no need for a department of education.
Ps: the conservative party isn't conservative.
If left and right don't mean anything in your opinion, the rest of your post is bollocks then!
Not at all. Left is something you arrive at by excluding people who don't respect the two criteria i gave
Oh dear, and just because I noticed your hypocritical statement. Never mind
You not understanding it doesn't make it hypocritical
Ok, put yer dummy back in
I’m lost what “right” is, and why that’s not you (OP). "
To me, left and right have no real meaning when people say Hitler was right wing. What they really mean is that he was nationalist, but so what? When did that ever become the defining part of politics. He had no respect for individal rights or private property, he hated capitalism with a passion. So how the fuck is that not left? Oh yeah, because he was nationalist
Political left and political right are not true opposites. The far left and far right both deny individal rights and private property so the difference is trivial. Do you really care if you're being massacred by Hitler or Stalin?
Liberal and conservative are opposites. Conservative seeks to restrain individal freedom for the common good. That's not the part I disagree with, i generally disagree with doing it by law. I don't think you should put people who fall short of the common good to death or in prison for minor transgressions (e.g. I don't agree with stoning adulters to death or cutting off the hands of thieves) I think they should be persuaded why their actions are wrong. Obviously we do need law and prison for major transgressions. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Left and right doesn't really mean anything in my opinion. I am a vehement supporter of private property ownership and individual rights. So definately not left, but not necessarily right either. Left wing people struggle to understand how people can hold conservative views but not feel a need to force them upon everyone else. The government should be as small as possible and there is absolutely no need for a department of education.
Ps: the conservative party isn't conservative.
If left and right don't mean anything in your opinion, the rest of your post is bollocks then!
Not at all. Left is something you arrive at by excluding people who don't respect the two criteria i gave
Oh dear, and just because I noticed your hypocritical statement. Never mind
You not understanding it doesn't make it hypocritical
Ok, put yer dummy back in
I’m lost what “right” is, and why that’s not you (OP).
To me, left and right have no real meaning when people say Hitler was right wing. What they really mean is that he was nationalist, but so what? When did that ever become the defining part of politics. He had no respect for individal rights or private property, he hated capitalism with a passion. So how the fuck is that not left? Oh yeah, because he was nationalist
Political left and political right are not true opposites. The far left and far right both deny individal rights and private property so the difference is trivial. Do you really care if you're being massacred by Hitler or Stalin?
Liberal and conservative are opposites. Conservative seeks to restrain individal freedom for the common good. That's not the part I disagree with, i generally disagree with doing it by law. I don't think you should put people who fall short of the common good to death or in prison for minor transgressions (e.g. I don't agree with stoning adulters to death or cutting off the hands of thieves) I think they should be persuaded why their actions are wrong. Obviously we do need law and prison for major transgressions. "
I like the double axis models which have extremes of economic approach and extremes of personal freedom approach. I suspect you are taking about the freedoms. By agree a single scale doesn’t cover all nuances. |
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"Left and right doesn't really mean anything in my opinion. I am a vehement supporter of private property ownership and individual rights. So definately not left, but not necessarily right either. Left wing people struggle to understand how people can hold conservative views but not feel a need to force them upon everyone else. The government should be as small as possible and there is absolutely no need for a department of education.
Ps: the conservative party isn't conservative.
If left and right don't mean anything in your opinion, the rest of your post is bollocks then!
Not at all. Left is something you arrive at by excluding people who don't respect the two criteria i gave
Oh dear, and just because I noticed your hypocritical statement. Never mind
You not understanding it doesn't make it hypocritical
Ok, put yer dummy back in
I’m lost what “right” is, and why that’s not you (OP).
To me, left and right have no real meaning when people say Hitler was right wing. What they really mean is that he was nationalist, but so what? When did that ever become the defining part of politics. He had no respect for individal rights or private property, he hated capitalism with a passion. So how the fuck is that not left? Oh yeah, because he was nationalist
Political left and political right are not true opposites. The far left and far right both deny individal rights and private property so the difference is trivial. Do you really care if you're being massacred by Hitler or Stalin?
Liberal and conservative are opposites. Conservative seeks to restrain individal freedom for the common good. That's not the part I disagree with, i generally disagree with doing it by law. I don't think you should put people who fall short of the common good to death or in prison for minor transgressions (e.g. I don't agree with stoning adulters to death or cutting off the hands of thieves) I think they should be persuaded why their actions are wrong. Obviously we do need law and prison for major transgressions.
I like the double axis models which have extremes of economic approach and extremes of personal freedom approach. I suspect you are taking about the freedoms. By agree a single scale doesn’t cover all nuances. "
The only problem with that is that people never want to agree the labels on the boxes. Try getting one of the tree huggers on here to actually accept which countries were 'real communism' or ask them where the successful socialist country is and watch them name a capitalist one. So i prefer to keep it simple, private property - yes / no, individual freedom enshrined in law - yes/ no. |
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"The only problem with that is that people never want to agree the labels on the boxes. Try getting one of the tree huggers on here to actually accept which countries were 'real communism' or ask them where the successful socialist country is and watch them name a capitalist one. So i prefer to keep it simple, private property - yes / no, individual freedom enshrined in law - yes/ no. "
To the best of my knowledge there is and has only ever been one truly communist state in history (and even that is not completely clear-cut). That sate is The Vatican (Catholic Church) State. What most people call 'communist' are in reality single party dictatorships that run state controlled capitalist command economies. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"The only problem with that is that people never want to agree the labels on the boxes. Try getting one of the tree huggers on here to actually accept which countries were 'real communism' or ask them where the successful socialist country is and watch them name a capitalist one. So i prefer to keep it simple, private property - yes / no, individual freedom enshrined in law - yes/ no.
To the best of my knowledge there is and has only ever been one truly communist state in history (and even that is not completely clear-cut). That sate is The Vatican (Catholic Church) State. What most people call 'communist' are in reality single party dictatorships that run state controlled capitalist command economies."
That's quite a good call. The average man in the street would probably say China, Cuba and North Korea. Just shows you how hard it is to label something when you go deep into it. |
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Everybody contributes and everybody receives what is necessary?.
Just one question, what will you do with the people who don't want to contribute? Or the people who want more than is just necessary?.
These are the two questions why all communist States end up as dictatorships.
Personally I'm dandy with equal opportunities for all and unfair outcomes with a great big dollop of freedom thrown in for good measure. |
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"The only problem with that is that people never want to agree the labels on the boxes. Try getting one of the tree huggers on here to actually accept which countries were 'real communism' or ask them where the successful socialist country is and watch them name a capitalist one. So i prefer to keep it simple, private property - yes / no, individual freedom enshrined in law - yes/ no.
To the best of my knowledge there is and has only ever been one truly communist state in history (and even that is not completely clear-cut). That sate is The Vatican (Catholic Church) State. What most people call 'communist' are in reality single party dictatorships that run state controlled capitalist command economies."
Hence I don't care much for lables. There's never been a country remotely attractive to live in that didn't have private property rights. Typically a large proportion of the population kill themsleves in attempting to get out and reach a country that allows private property. A trend that continues to this very day... |
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"That's quite a good call. The average man in the street would probably say China, Cuba and North Korea. Just shows you how hard it is to label something when you go deep into it."
Thanks.
I suppose I should say that there have been and still are a number of societies around the world that are 'successfully fully functioning' self contained communist entities. However we consider them to be 'aboriginal peoples' backward in nature and anomalies to be studied. The fact that these people inhabit some of the most inhospitable parts of the world and have done so in harmony with their environments for millennia without money (capital) seems to be a basic fact we are unable to comprehend. |
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"That's quite a good call. The average man in the street would probably say China, Cuba and North Korea. Just shows you how hard it is to label something when you go deep into it.
Thanks.
I suppose I should say that there have been and still are a number of societies around the world that are 'successfully fully functioning' self contained communist entities. However we consider them to be 'aboriginal peoples' backward in nature and anomalies to be studied. The fact that these people inhabit some of the most inhospitable parts of the world and have done so in harmony with their environments for millennia without money (capital) seems to be a basic fact we are unable to comprehend."
Let's say I was willing to agree with that. Would you argue it had any relevance today to a world with 7.4 billion people? As in, maybe i can accept small scale "societies" could function successfully like that, not a million miles away from Amish people really. I just don't think it works on any kind of scale. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"The only problem with that is that people never want to agree the labels on the boxes. Try getting one of the tree huggers on here to actually accept which countries were 'real communism' or ask them where the successful socialist country is and watch them name a capitalist one. So i prefer to keep it simple, private property - yes / no, individual freedom enshrined in law - yes/ no.
To the best of my knowledge there is and has only ever been one truly communist state in history (and even that is not completely clear-cut). That sate is The Vatican (Catholic Church) State. What most people call 'communist' are in reality single party dictatorships that run state controlled capitalist command economies."
This is why people say that there has never been a communist state.
Communism as imagined as a progression from socialism, which in turn is a progression from capitalism. An industrial revolution was always a prerequisite.
Pragmatic vanguardism attempts a state managed industrial revolution under a dictatorship, and has a tendency to fail (certainly in terms of human rights). See: the USSR, China, Cuba etc etc.
Although I'd be willing to argue that the average Cuban is better off than the average person in an analogus state (Haiti for example). |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Although I'd be willing to argue that the average Cuban is better off than the average person in an analogus state (Haiti for example)."
agreed ... if you want a fucked up shit-hole for comparison then try puerto rico ... it's a fucking disgrace that should make america feel ashamed of itself |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Although I'd be willing to argue that the average Cuban is better off than the average person in an analogus state (Haiti for example).
agreed ... if you want a fucked up shit-hole for comparison then try puerto rico ... it's a fucking disgrace that should make america feel ashamed of itself"
Yeah that's a stain on America and trumps presidency not that he'll find a fuck to give over the 3000 dead ..
He's doing s fabulous job if you ask him |
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I'm not really sure.
The main parties all have ideas that I agree with.
I definitely think I'm right of centre (sometimes waaaayyyy right lol), but then I want to be all green and save the planet.
When it comes down to voting, I try to weigh up who is the best person to get things done locally, and for a few years its been the local LibDem AM.
So, to sum up, I'm a right wing Conservative socialist greenie with LibDem tendencies  |
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"I'm not really sure.
The main parties all have ideas that I agree with.
I definitely think I'm right of centre (sometimes waaaayyyy right lol), but then I want to be all green and save the planet.
When it comes down to voting, I try to weigh up who is the best person to get things done locally, and for a few years its been the local LibDem AM.
So, to sum up, I'm a right wing Conservative socialist greenie with LibDem tendencies "
I forgot to add.... I'd vote for the devil himself if it kept Corbyn out of office.
#beelzeebubforPM  |
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"I'm not really sure.
The main parties all have ideas that I agree with.
I definitely think I'm right of centre (sometimes waaaayyyy right lol), but then I want to be all green and save the planet.
When it comes down to voting, I try to weigh up who is the best person to get things done locally, and for a few years its been the local LibDem AM.
So, to sum up, I'm a right wing Conservative socialist greenie with LibDem tendencies
I forgot to add.... I'd vote for the devil himself if it kept Corbyn out of office.
#beelzeebubforPM "
If Satan was on the ballot against Corbyn then at least you know Satan's damage will be limited to 1,000 years. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Although I'd be willing to argue that the average Cuban is better off than the average person in an analogus state (Haiti for example).
agreed ... if you want a fucked up shit-hole for comparison then try puerto rico ... it's a fucking disgrace that should make america feel ashamed of itself
Yeah that's a stain on America and trumps presidency not that he'll find a fuck to give over the 3000 dead ..
He's doing s fabulous job if you ask him "
it's been a desperate shit pit for decades .... just don't get ill when you're there because there's absofuckinglutely zip medical facilities or staff |
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"I forgot to add.... I'd vote for the devil himself if it kept Corbyn out of office.
#beelzeebubforPM "
Why?
Can you name one of his positions or those of the party he leads that you are totally opposed to? |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"I forgot to add.... I'd vote for the devil himself if it kept Corbyn out of office.
#beelzeebubforPM
Why?
Can you name one of his positions or those of the party he leads that you are totally opposed to?"
Is Jeremy Corbyn the political equivalent of Marmite?
I hear a lot of Labour voters say that they love the Party but can't get with him. But then, you'd say that perhaps they aren't really Labour voters? Did Blair blur the lines on this? |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
I hold views that, each on their own, could tick a box on the left-of-centre or right-of-centre.
But overall, left-of-centre.
I value democracy, human rights etc, which is why those on either extremity rile me for their intolerance of others and their freedoms.
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"I hold views that, each on their own, could tick a box on the left-of-centre or right-of-centre.
But overall, left-of-centre.
I value democracy, human rights etc, which is why those on either extremity rile me for their intolerance of others and their freedoms.
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I like so much of what you say on nearly every subject. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I hold views that, each on their own, could tick a box on the left-of-centre or right-of-centre.
But overall, left-of-centre.
I value democracy, human rights etc, which is why those on either extremity rile me for their intolerance of others and their freedoms.
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"I hold views that, each on their own, could tick a box on the left-of-centre or right-of-centre.
But overall, left-of-centre.
I value democracy, human rights etc, which is why those on either extremity rile me for their intolerance of others and their freedoms.
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This pretty much where I stand but I conclude that I'm a right of centre Liberal. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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"I hold views that, each on their own, could tick a box on the left-of-centre or right-of-centre.
But overall, left-of-centre.
I value democracy, human rights etc, which is why those on either extremity rile me for their intolerance of others and their freedoms.
I like so much of what you say on nearly every subject."
What a kind thing to say, thank you.
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"The government should be as small as possible and there is absolutely no need for a department of education.
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I have to admit, this one has me curious...
"Absolutely no need for a department of education"?
Why so? If it were asserting that the department was a shambles and needed tearing up and starting over I could understand, possibly agree even, but absolutely no need for it whatsoever?
What's the rationale behind this? |
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"The government should be as small as possible and there is absolutely no need for a department of education.
I have to admit, this one has me curious...
"Absolutely no need for a department of education"?
Why so? If it were asserting that the department was a shambles and needed tearing up and starting over I could understand, possibly agree even, but absolutely no need for it whatsoever?
What's the rationale behind this?"
So parents are inherently interested in their kids education, it's like one of the most common priorities going. So education minister is always going to be a high priority job and a potential stepping stone to the top job, prime minister. Which virtually guarantees that every time the education minister changes, your going to get change for the sake of change, in the education system. Perpetual change provide no benefit to the children or the poor fucking teachers who have to produce the new paperwork in the right format, rather than actually spend that time on professional development.
In the state education system, 'educating children' ranks about fourth behind 1. boosting the CV of the education minister, 2. providing job opportunities for women, 3. proving a national baby sitting service for parents. The most obvious proof of this is the school day start time, which suits everyone except the kids.
There is absolutely nothing the department for education does, that couldn't be done better by the private sector. You have a ready made market of highly invested customers (i.e. parents) who simply wouldn't tolerate poor performance from the private sector, but have to in the state sector. Given the inherent limitations I've described, what the neck is the argument for an education department? |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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Ignorance was one of the five great evils slayed by Beveridge in his 1942 plan for a welfare state. The solution was to make education universal by nationalisation.
It replaced the sort of system you advocate, which allowed those who could afford education to be educated, and the rest to rely on charity.
The UK has signed up to every international charter guaranteeing the right of a child to an education.
There is no other way of doing that except through national provision.
You may think private education is better. Ido not have a problem with that.
You buy whatever you want with your money. But that is no reason to deprive everyone else of their education just so your tax bill drops and your school fees become less expensive. |
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"Ignorance was one of the five great evils slayed by Beveridge in his 1942 plan for a welfare state. The solution was to make education universal by nationalisation.
It replaced the sort of system you advocate, which allowed those who could afford education to be educated, and the rest to rely on charity.
The UK has signed up to every international charter guaranteeing the right of a child to an education.
There is no other way of doing that except through national provision.
You may think private education is better. Ido not have a problem with that.
You buy whatever you want with your money. But that is no reason to deprive everyone else of their education just so your tax bill drops and your school fees become less expensive."
100% strawman. Absolutely nowhere did I advocate any child not getting an education or relying on any form of charity. |
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"How would you ensure a private school / system does not leave anyone out ? How does anyone measure value to assess against cost ?"
Essentially the same way that countries with universal private health care systems do it. You pay into a mandatory system and the government tops up the difference of people who didn't pay in enough for every school to get a minimum amount per pupil (roughly £4k a year). You understand this isn't a cost saving idea, it wouldn't save any money, nor cost more. It's would make the quality much higher though. |
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A parent might be invested in their child's education...but that doesn't necessarily mean they'll make the right choices...
What if they decided that they wanted a school that promoted the young earth theory, because it aligned with their belief system? |
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"A parent might be invested in their child's education...but that doesn't necessarily mean they'll make the right choices...
What if they decided that they wanted a school that promoted the young earth theory, because it aligned with their belief system?"
On average, they will still make better decisions than a disinterested bureaucracy. Parents determined to teach young earth can do so today, I know some personally. Either they'll tell their kids that what school taught them was wrong or they will home school them. Ultimately, if you think the mass of people are stupid then you will of course prefer the current system. A liberal or libertarian believes in the skill of individuals and therefore would prefer the system I presented. |
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"You may think private education is better. Ido not have a problem with that.
You buy whatever you want with your money. But that is no reason to deprive everyone else of their education just so your tax bill drops and your school fees become less expensive."
Again you nearly perfectly reflect my position. But I would go further and say that it should be the goal of the state education system to be as good as the best provided by private education across the whole country and for that there needs to be centralised governance and that requires a Department of Education.
To be clear I went to a prep school from the age of 7 and an Irish boarding school from 10 till the start of the 4th year before transferring to the English state system to do 'O' levels and 'A' levels, so I have personal experience of both systems. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"You may think private education is better. Ido not have a problem with that.
You buy whatever you want with your money. But that is no reason to deprive everyone else of their education just so your tax bill drops and your school fees become less expensive.
Again you nearly perfectly reflect my position. But I would go further and say that it should be the goal of the state education system to be as good as the best provided by private education across the whole country and for that there needs to be centralised governance and that requires a Department of Education.
To be clear I went to a prep school from the age of 7 and an Irish boarding school from 10 till the start of the 4th year before transferring to the English state system to do 'O' levels and 'A' levels, so I have personal experience of both systems."
In a state of shock,I agree with Will on this one |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
upton wirral |
"I'm not really sure.
The main parties all have ideas that I agree with.
I definitely think I'm right of centre (sometimes waaaayyyy right lol), but then I want to be all green and save the planet.
When it comes down to voting, I try to weigh up who is the best person to get things done locally, and for a few years its been the local LibDem AM.
So, to sum up, I'm a right wing Conservative socialist greenie with LibDem tendencies
I forgot to add.... I'd vote for the devil himself if it kept Corbyn out of office.
#beelzeebubforPM
If Satan was on the ballot against Corbyn then at least you know Satan's damage will be limited to 1,000 years. "
Lol love it |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
upton wirral |
"i don't consider myself anywhere .... but i am proven to be absolutely on the fucking money consistantly "
If you are on the money as I am a lot then it is because you do not consider yourself to be anywhere.Polotical dogma is the root of most political and economic peoblems |
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"In a state of shock,I agree with Will on this one"
Why?
Have you not worked out I realise that there is and can never be full equality but that we should strive for equality of opportunity without stopping the ability to use ones advantages to advance the individual.
It is always a question of balance, it is just that I believe that the scales should be weighted on the side of clever not on the side of the rich. |
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"In a state of shock,I agree with Will on this one
Why?
Have you not worked out I realise that there is and can never be full equality but that we should strive for equality of opportunity without stopping the ability to use ones advantages to advance the individual.
It is always a question of balance, it is just that I believe that the scales should be weighted on the side of clever not on the side of the rich."
I'm all on board with equality of opportunity. That's why I feel sorry for people in state schools, it's an inherently inferior system. I have a friend who is a teacher, it seems like every two years she's saddled with essentially rewording lesson plans or some other paperwork to match whatever the latest buzzwords being flowed down are. I really can't understand how the subject of PE can change that often. There are private schools moving away from the 9-5 hours (Hampton court house) because of the proven damage it does to kids. Good luck negotiating that in the state sector. |
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"I'm all on board with equality of opportunity. That's why I feel sorry for people in state schools, it's an inherently inferior system. I have a friend who is a teacher, it seems like every two years she's saddled with essentially rewording lesson plans or some other paperwork to match whatever the latest buzzwords being flowed down are. I really can't understand how the subject of PE can change that often. There are private schools moving away from the 9-5 hours (Hampton court house) because of the proven damage it does to kids. Good luck negotiating that in the state sector. "
Are you agreeing with me?
(I so not object at all, in fact I am very happy if you do!). |
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"I'm all on board with equality of opportunity. That's why I feel sorry for people in state schools, it's an inherently inferior system. I have a friend who is a teacher, it seems like every two years she's saddled with essentially rewording lesson plans or some other paperwork to match whatever the latest buzzwords being flowed down are. I really can't understand how the subject of PE can change that often. There are private schools moving away from the 9-5 hours (Hampton court house) because of the proven damage it does to kids. Good luck negotiating that in the state sector.
Are you agreeing with me?
(I so not object at all, in fact I am very happy if you do!)."
Equality of opportunity? Hell to the yeah. It's an underpinning essential of capitalism. How could a free market possibly work if peoples creative potential is squashed by the postcode they are born in. Can you agree with me if a PE teacher has ~4 hours a week 'spare' (As in contracted but not allocated to lessons). Then it's a better use of that 4 hours to say, run an after school netball team than reword paper work? |
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"I'm all on board with equality of opportunity. That's why I feel sorry for people in state schools, it's an inherently inferior system. I have a friend who is a teacher, it seems like every two years she's saddled with essentially rewording lesson plans or some other paperwork to match whatever the latest buzzwords being flowed down are. I really can't understand how the subject of PE can change that often. There are private schools moving away from the 9-5 hours (Hampton court house) because of the proven damage it does to kids. Good luck negotiating that in the state sector.
Are you agreeing with me?
(I so not object at all, in fact I am very happy if you do!).
Equality of opportunity? Hell to the yeah. It's an underpinning essential of capitalism. How could a free market possibly work if peoples creative potential is squashed by the postcode they are born in. Can you agree with me if a PE teacher has ~4 hours a week 'spare' (As in contracted but not allocated to lessons). Then it's a better use of that 4 hours to say, run an after school netball team than reword paper work? "
We cross..
For a period I worked as an outdoor training instructor for Shropshire LEA.
I understand education for a time I also worked as a part time instructor in PLAS Y BRENIN.
Its not about what you can potentially teach but what you do pass on. |
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Errr... I have no idea but...I think i miggt be a lib dem, though I like the house of Lords and heredity peerage. I don't like the idea of Scottish independence, in fact I hate the idea with a passion. The only good thing about the Scottish Parliament is the building.
I want a united states of Europe but I like the pound. I want a universal basic income and less defence spending.
So I think I'm confused lib dem. ?? |
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