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over a year ago
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I treat most things I hear or read about in the news with a level of scepticism to be honest. I don’t necessarily always believe it’s our Government that might *always* be the baddies though! On this case, I genuinely don’t know! |
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I also found it pretty strange the Russians would use such an incriminating method to kill someone in foreign soil. Unless they’re trying to send a message to other spies to keep their mouth shut... |
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Something isn't right that's for sure, if Vlad sent two of his top guys over to bump them off why would they stay in a budget hotel in east London and why would they discard the leftover substance in a public bin ?? They would have been a lot more pro than that, something stinks about the whole affair. |
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"Something isn't right that's for sure, if Vlad sent two of his top guys over to bump them off why would they stay in a budget hotel in east London and why would they discard the leftover substance in a public bin ?? They would have been a lot more pro than that, something stinks about the whole affair."
I hadn't realised their was a minimum standard of accommodation for travelling assassins? I've gotta say, I'm convinced now.... |
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"Something isn't right that's for sure, if Vlad sent two of his top guys over to bump them off why would they stay in a budget hotel in east London and why would they discard the leftover substance in a public bin ?? They would have been a lot more pro than that, something stinks about the whole affair."
You think they all stay at the Savoy?
Best way to hide evidence, dump it in a public bin.
Bin gets empied and taken to a dump where it literally becomes looking for a needle in a hay stack.
I think some people watch too much telly. |
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"Something isn't right that's for sure, if Vlad sent two of his top guys over to bump them off why would they stay in a budget hotel in east London and why would they discard the leftover substance in a public bin ?? They would have been a lot more pro than that, something stinks about the whole affair.
I hadn't realised their was a minimum standard of accommodation for travelling assassins? I've gotta say, I'm convinced now...."
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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago
the land of saints & sinners |
It’s equally difficult to believe that the UK government fabricated the poisoning of two Russian emigrés, the death of one UK citizen and the poisoning of two others. Not mentioning the millions spent on the investigation. All to discredit the Russian president and create a diplomatic row....
Much easier ways to go about that.
We are never going to know all facts as the police and intelligence services are not exactly going to publish to ‘joe public’ all their findings and sources..
I do take a sceptical view on the stories fed by our less than competent politicians of all parties...
I certainly don’t subscribe to the view that because we are not given all the information a conspiracy is afoot.
It is far to easy for conspiracy fantasists to make 2+2 = 27.
Most governments are probably too incompetent run a conspiracy.....
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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This is a corrupt public official, who took bribes from the British taxpayer in return for selling his country's secrets, and who was serving a long jail sentence.
If the Russians wanted him eliminated, they had every opportunity to do so.
Which makes me wonder what new mischief this guy was up to that he needed to be eliminated.
Recurring story that he was involved with Spanish intelligence and their work on organised crime.
I doubt there is any sympathy for the guy in Russia.
Reverse the scenario. A British government official sells British secrets in exchange for foreign cash, then gets sprung from jail here and moves to that foreign country where his hosts treat him to a comfortable life. We would see him as an odious creature.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Strange then that the daughter is allegedly returning home to Russia.
And then there are the two alleged drug addicts who had a handy bottle of Novichoc in their kitchen.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Im not smart enough to care who that is
You must have been living in a cave to not know who the skripal's are. Some people really do try too hard sometimes "
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"Im not smart enough to care who that is
You must have been living in a cave to not know who the skripal's are. Some people really do try too hard sometimes "
Ah come on! You must remember the spice girls thread! |
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GRU like the CIA or SIS work to a whole different tune yeah could of been the top echelons of government could of authorised it or two GRU operators went and cleaned up what the government couldn't and returned some of the honour lost after the fall of the Soviet union |
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By *rbrooks OP Man
over a year ago
birmingham |
forgot to mention the d-notice the government have slapped on the press - preventing them revealing the the link between sktipal and Christopher Steele (the producer of the golden shower dossier on Trump)
that makes me more suspicious |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I'm sure the Russians have faster acting and more effective undetectable poisons. If I was Putin and they were my operatives I would have had them sent to Siberia for total incompetence. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm sure the Russians have faster acting and more effective undetectable poisons. If I was Putin and they were my operatives I would have had them sent to Siberia for total incompetence."
this also makes me a bit suspicious, surely the Ruskis are more efficient than what's happened in Salisbury |
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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago
the land of saints & sinners |
"I'm sure the Russians have faster acting and more effective undetectable poisons. If I was Putin and they were my operatives I would have had them sent to Siberia for total incompetence."
They probably have already been sent there.... or even disposed of.... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm sure the Russians have faster acting and more effective undetectable poisons. If I was Putin and they were my operatives I would have had them sent to Siberia for total incompetence.
They probably have already been sent there.... or even disposed of...."
Well I do hope their assassins were more efficient, if novochoc was actually used, its not a very good deadly toxin. Killed the wrong person... unless that was the actual target.
As far as the hotel is concerned I have worked for companies that have crap expenses saving booking teams too. |
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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago
the land of saints & sinners |
"It's not like they have form is it? Just ask Georgi Markov, and Alexander Litvinenko."
Georgi Markov was assassinated on the orders of the Bulgarian secret service.....
As far as I’m aware Bulgaria and Russia or USSR as it was back in 1978 are not and were not the same country .... |
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"It's not like they have form is it? Just ask Georgi Markov, and Alexander Litvinenko.
Georgi Markov was assassinated on the orders of the Bulgarian secret service.....
As far as I’m aware Bulgaria and Russia or USSR as it was back in 1978 are not and were not the same country ...."
But allegedly they did ask the kgb for help. |
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"i also don't see how two people can touch a knob covered in a slimey substance. if the one touched it they would know it was slimey and immediately tell the other not to touch it "
I don't remember slimy being reported? |
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"It's not like they have form is it? Just ask Georgi Markov, and Alexander Litvinenko.
Georgi Markov was assassinated on the orders of the Bulgarian secret service.....
As far as I’m aware Bulgaria and Russia or USSR as it was back in 1978 are not and were not the same country ....
But allegedly they did ask the kgb for help. "
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"i also don't see how two people can touch a knob covered in a slimey substance. if the one touched it they would know it was slimey and immediately tell the other not to touch it
I don't remember slimy being reported?"
Knobs are usually slimey after being touched |
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By *ky19Man
over a year ago
Plymouth OYO Hotel |
"Plastic Sherlocks are everywhere these days . "
I agree. Better to just stick the telly on and let that tell it like it is. I agree that people who look at evidence are loons. The professionals on the TV have this covered.
(Oh alright I'm not above a tiny bit of sarcasm) 
Seriously though I think its a sign of good mental health to question, if there's reason to, like evidence coming to light that doesn't add up to what's we've so far heard. That's how we improve our understanding and get a better idea what happened.
Columbo would probably be locked up in a straightjacket these days lol. |
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By *tirluvMan
over a year ago
the right frame of mind -London |
I am just amazed they used a train on a weekend to get there and back -what are the chances that it wasn't either going to be cancelled, delayed or plagued with a rail replacement service -truly a james Bond level of unbelievable luck ? |
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She used the word “conclude” during her announcement.
That is enough, in my opinion, to show they have no idea. But knowing that the uk and russia have no extradition treaty. Meaning those accused will never be prosecuted for any offence.
To me shows they have no idea, and its easier to accusse those who will never face justice.
Its actions like May’s that have led to the start of wars. |
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"Something isn't right that's for sure, if Vlad sent two of his top guys over to bump them off why would they stay in a budget hotel in east London and why would they discard the leftover substance in a public bin ?? They would have been a lot more pro than that, something stinks about the whole affair.
I hadn't realised their was a minimum standard of accommodation for travelling assassins? I've gotta say, I'm convinced now...."
I’m actually howling wtf defo can’t be them they stayed in a budget hotel case closed then lmao |
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By *rbrooks OP Man
over a year ago
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"i also don't see how two people can touch a knob covered in a slimey substance. if the one touched it they would know it was slimey and immediately tell the other not to touch it
I don't remember slimy being reported?"
Rowley said it was slimy when he was assembling the perfume bottle and got some on his hands. still gave it to dawn sturgess for some reason though |
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By *rbrooks OP Man
over a year ago
birmingham |
"Something isn't right that's for sure, if Vlad sent two of his top guys over to bump them off why would they stay in a budget hotel in east London and why would they discard the leftover substance in a public bin ?? They would have been a lot more pro than that, something stinks about the whole affair.
I hadn't realised their was a minimum standard of accommodation for travelling assassins? I've gotta say, I'm convinced now.... I’m actually howling wtf defo can’t be them they stayed in a budget hotel case closed then lmao "
they must have a lot of money to afford two separate trips to Salisbury and back to London |
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"Something isn't right that's for sure, if Vlad sent two of his top guys over to bump them off why would they stay in a budget hotel in east London and why would they discard the leftover substance in a public bin ?? They would have been a lot more pro than that, something stinks about the whole affair.
I hadn't realised their was a minimum standard of accommodation for travelling assassins? I've gotta say, I'm convinced now.... I’m actually howling wtf defo can’t be them they stayed in a budget hotel case closed then lmao
they must have a lot of money to afford two separate trips to Salisbury and back to London"
The government funded spies? |
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By *ky19Man
over a year ago
Plymouth OYO Hotel |
Found a good poem(!) on the issue, but its very long, and can't post links?
I haven't had a proper look at the photoshopped pic, but I have seen the one with people in hazmat suits and everything, but ordinary civilians walking past about 15 feet away lol.
I feel sick when I hear about what used to happen on witch hunts, when all someone had to do was point at a random woman and shout "she's a witch!!!" resulting in a baying mob of crazed animals.
This mentality exists the same today, but instead of witches, its the Russians, Colonel Gaddafi etc and we bay for blood because we are told so by our TV. We are told they did it and if were honest we just accept it without much evidence, or even properly establishing what has happened. |
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By *ky19Man
over a year ago
Plymouth OYO Hotel |
We can all be fooled, especially when we set out to be well meaning, but I am seeing we fall for the same shit over and over and over again, as in 2003.
A couple of excerpts from that poem. I haven't looked into this but see the signs of another false flag:
"Then someone observed something really quite odd –
that the door didn’t seem to have bothered the plod
who was tasked with the duty of guarding the place,
long before it was clear that a poison was traced."...
"...The West didn’t wait, we accepted the claim
that the evil Assad was entirely to blame.
He was guilty of war crimes, as evidence proved –
for the good of the people, he must be removed!
Notwithstanding the signs that the Syrians may seem
broadly in favour of Mr. A’s ‘regime’
and the fact that with Russia they had some protection
from outside attacks, or their own insurrection.
Our Washington friends would insist that they need some
of Uncle Sam’s good ol’ American freedom
which had been so successful, I’m frequently told,
where nations had hardships, and oil, gas, and gold.
The narrative blaming Assad for the crimes
was reported as fact in The Sun and The Times
and most western leaders were keen to appease the
hawkish intentions of Boris and Theresa.
But a doubt did remain that the entire event
might have been a ‘false flag’, with malicious intent..."
I heard on the radio that the Russians were highly suspicious this has been carried out by British Intelligence.
I haven't done my homework on this, but to be honest, early on I'm inclined to believe their version more. |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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If it had been carried out by us then I dont think the bottle would have been left lying about for any old person to pick up, also the "evidence" has been shown to several other countries via the UN and they have concluded that the ruskies are to blame, however I believe very little these days that I dont see with my own eyes so anything is possible |
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"If it had been carried out by us then I dont think the bottle would have been left lying about for any old person to pick up, also the "evidence" has been shown to several other countries via the UN and they have concluded that the ruskies are to blame, however I believe very little these days that I dont see with my own eyes so anything is possible"
I have to agree with you on this point. However I take my hat off to the "audit trail" the police have put together - it's taken a long time but the two Russians have been pinpointed on cctv all over the place. They may have gone to Salisbury as tourists but they left very quickly once the deed had been done! |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
The two Russians have been on tv this morning claiming they went to Salisbury to visit the cathedral... and if they passed the skriple house it was purely coincidental.....
So.... other than our resident RT slappies, anyone buying this? |
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"The two Russians have been on tv this morning claiming they went to Salisbury to visit the cathedral... and if they passed the skriple house it was purely coincidental.....
So.... other than our resident RT slappies, anyone buying this? "
I can see how an hour would be more than enough time for a tourist in Salisbury. but no, not buying it... |
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"The two Russians have been on tv this morning claiming they went to Salisbury to visit the cathedral... and if they passed the skriple house it was purely coincidental.....
So.... other than our resident RT slappies, anyone buying this?
I can see how an hour would be more than enough time for a tourist in Salisbury. but no, not buying it..."
The house is basically on the way to the cathedral. Its hard not to walk past it. I myself often walk up that cul-de-sac when I'm trying to get to the other side of the city.... |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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The house is basically on the way to the cathedral. Its hard not to walk past it. I myself often walk up that cul-de-sac when I'm trying to get to the other side of the city...."
We have a new suspect!
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The house is basically on the way to the cathedral. Its hard not to walk past it. I myself often walk up that cul-de-sac when I'm trying to get to the other side of the city....
We have a new suspect!
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Hiding in plain sight! |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"The two Russians have been on tv this morning claiming they went to Salisbury to visit the cathedral... and if they passed the skriple house it was purely coincidental.....
So.... other than our resident RT slappies, anyone buying this?
I can see how an hour would be more than enough time for a tourist in Salisbury. but no, not buying it...
The house is basically on the way to the cathedral. Its hard not to walk past it. I myself often walk up that cul-de-sac when I'm trying to get to the other side of the city...."
Apparently the house is in the other direction of the walk between the railway station and the cathedral
I have heard of taxi drivers taking advantage of locals.. but they were apparently on foot |
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And if they happened to have been walking past the house, as it was the obvious route choice, knocked on the door for guidance etc, it would be understandable and one of those seemingly unlikely coincidences, the occupant formerly from Russia.
It's fairly ridiculous that this claptrap is being delivered isn't it! Rather than going to Salisbury train station for information for the second trip, they could have got it in London and then stayed overnight for a longer trip or just gone once. 2 trips is just even more suspicious than one. |
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"And if they happened to have been walking past the house, as it was the obvious route choice, knocked on the door for guidance etc, it would be understandable and one of those seemingly unlikely coincidences, the occupant formerly from Russia.
It's fairly ridiculous that this claptrap is being delivered isn't it! Rather than going to Salisbury train station for information for the second trip, they could have got it in London and then stayed overnight for a longer trip or just gone once. 2 trips is just even more suspicious than one. "
Perhaps they are train enthusiasts? |
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"And if they happened to have been walking past the house, as it was the obvious route choice, knocked on the door for guidance etc, it would be understandable and one of those seemingly unlikely coincidences, the occupant formerly from Russia.
It's fairly ridiculous that this claptrap is being delivered isn't it! Rather than going to Salisbury train station for information for the second trip, they could have got it in London and then stayed overnight for a longer trip or just gone once. 2 trips is just even more suspicious than one.
Perhaps they are train enthusiasts?"
Don't try and derail the thread.. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"But is Salisbury that fantastic that you have to go there two days on the trot....
One day for the cathedral and one day out to Stonehenge "
It’s a comedy sketch for a domestic audience. No sympathy for those who sell out the motherland for an envelope stuffed with taxpayer £s. |
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"But is Salisbury that fantastic that you have to go there two days on the trot....
One day for the cathedral and one day out to Stonehenge "
Can just imagine the annoyance, smuggle a nerve agent past customs, get dumped in a crappy 2 star hotel, struggle to Salisbury on a crappy Sunday service train, then realise you forgot the perfume bottle, so have to go back to London also on a sunday train to fetch the toxin... And to top it all off the target lived! |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"But is Salisbury that fantastic that you have to go there two days on the trot....
One day for the cathedral and one day out to Stonehenge
Can just imagine the annoyance, smuggle a nerve agent past customs, get dumped in a crappy 2 star hotel, struggle to Salisbury on a crappy Sunday service train, then realise you forgot the perfume bottle, so have to go back to London also on a sunday train to fetch the toxin... And to top it all off the target lived! "
I would guess the toxin came in a diplomatic bag |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"But is Salisbury that fantastic that you have to go there two days on the trot....
One day for the cathedral and one day out to Stonehenge
I would guess the toxin came in a diplomatic bag"
What does it tell you about homeland security, the ability to detect chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear weapons coming into the UK? Whatever airport it came through, it tells you we are defenceless against CBRN. But the good news is there is a hospital in every area that is geared up for their detonation. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
What it tells you is that someone can waltz into this country with chemicals. And once in, they can choose door handles on a tube train rather than a door handle in a housing estate. Sends out quite a message to the world. About us. And about them. |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"But is Salisbury that fantastic that you have to go there two days on the trot....
One day for the cathedral and one day out to Stonehenge
I would guess the toxin came in a diplomatic bag
What does it tell you about homeland security, the ability to detect chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear weapons coming into the UK? Whatever airport it came through, it tells you we are defenceless against CBRN. But the good news is there is a hospital in every area that is geared up for their detonation."
Diplomatic bags dont get checked tho do they so it would be easy to get into the country |
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"But is Salisbury that fantastic that you have to go there two days on the trot....
One day for the cathedral and one day out to Stonehenge
I would guess the toxin came in a diplomatic bag
What does it tell you about homeland security, the ability to detect chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear weapons coming into the UK? Whatever airport it came through, it tells you we are defenceless against CBRN. But the good news is there is a hospital in every area that is geared up for their detonation."
Did you miss the bit about all the help from porton down? Or just choosing to ignore that? |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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Diplomatic bags dont get checked tho do they so it would be easy to get into the country"
That is the easy answer that avoids a difficult question.
We'll probably never know how it arrived here.
I'd want to know just how effective our CBRN detection capability is.
But I suspect any probing would get brushed aside on the grounds of information prejudicial to national security.
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"There alibi on Russian telly is pathetic a real admission of guilt"
I don't think they are worried in the slightest - there will never be a trial.
It's a comedy sketch.
What do you think of the UK state eliminating British citizens who are deemed a threat to national security?
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over a year ago
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"There alibi on Russian telly is pathetic a real admission of guilt
I don't think they are worried in the slightest - there will never be a trial.
It's a comedy sketch.
What do you think of the UK state eliminating British citizens who are deemed a threat to national security?
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David Kelly.  |
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Diplomatic bags dont get checked tho do they so it would be easy to get into the country
That is the easy answer that avoids a difficult question.
We'll probably never know how it arrived here.
I'd want to know just how effective our CBRN detection capability is.
But I suspect any probing would get brushed aside on the grounds of information prejudicial to national security.
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We must control our boarders even more thoroughly!  |
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"There alibi on Russian telly is pathetic a real admission of guilt
I don't think they are worried in the slightest - there will never be a trial.
It's a comedy sketch.
What do you think of the UK state eliminating British citizens who are deemed a threat to national security?
•Coughs
David Kelly. "
It was suicide! Ask the Israelis! |
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over a year ago
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"There alibi on Russian telly is pathetic a real admission of guilt
I don't think they are worried in the slightest - there will never be a trial.
It's a comedy sketch.
What do you think of the UK state eliminating British citizens who are deemed a threat to national security?
•Coughs
David Kelly.
It was suicide! Ask the Israelis! "
Ha ha if Mossad was guilty of half the things they get blamed for I'd want them to be our secret service . |
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"But is Salisbury that fantastic that you have to go there two days on the trot....
One day for the cathedral and one day out to Stonehenge
I would guess the toxin came in a diplomatic bag
What does it tell you about homeland security, the ability to detect chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear weapons coming into the UK? Whatever airport it came through, it tells you we are defenceless against CBRN. But the good news is there is a hospital in every area that is geared up for their detonation."
Home Office Project Cyclamen.....it's on the net (so look it up) and very actively enforced....just ask those who pass through ports who have just had medical scans, or importers of higher ionising radiating level goods from tiles and cement through to medical isotopes. Plently of delays when alarms are raised.
In ignorance, don't confuse small bottles of nerve agent possibly smuggled in diplomatic bags with items which produce ionizing radiation. |
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"But is Salisbury that fantastic that you have to go there two days on the trot....
One day for the cathedral and one day out to Stonehenge
I would guess the toxin came in a diplomatic bag
What does it tell you about homeland security, the ability to detect chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear weapons coming into the UK? Whatever airport it came through, it tells you we are defenceless against CBRN. But the good news is there is a hospital in every area that is geared up for their detonation.
Home Office Project Cyclamen.....it's on the net (so look it up) and very actively enforced....just ask those who pass through ports who have just had medical scans, or importers of higher ionising radiating level goods from tiles and cement through to medical isotopes. Plently of delays when alarms are raised.
In ignorance, don't confuse small bottles of nerve agent possibly smuggled in diplomatic bags with items which produce ionizing radiation."
You and your facts whaddya you know!? |
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"But is Salisbury that fantastic that you have to go there two days on the trot....
One day for the cathedral and one day out to Stonehenge
I would guess the toxin came in a diplomatic bag
What does it tell you about homeland security, the ability to detect chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear weapons coming into the UK? Whatever airport it came through, it tells you we are defenceless against CBRN. But the good news is there is a hospital in every area that is geared up for their detonation.
Home Office Project Cyclamen.....it's on the net (so look it up) and very actively enforced....just ask those who pass through ports who have just had medical scans, or importers of higher ionising radiating level goods from tiles and cement through to medical isotopes. Plently of delays when alarms are raised.
In ignorance, don't confuse small bottles of nerve agent possibly smuggled in diplomatic bags with items which produce ionizing radiation.
You and your facts whaddya you know!?"
Seriously speaking, people should check their facts before spreading (shuddering to use a Trump phrase...) Fake News or subscribing to (shuddering to use a Brexit analogy)...Project Fear. |
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Hmmmmmm. People are convinced "we'll never know the full story."
Are you president Putin?
Are you one of the accused?
Are you one of the victims?
Are you a credible witness?
Are you a member of the police investigating the incident?
Are you the home Secretary?
Are you the head of either of our security services?
Are you an investigative journalis?
No?
Do you ocassionaly get your tits or cock out on Fab?
Yes.
Then you'll probably never know the full story.....
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