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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Whether you agree with ukip or not, their splintering from the tories created a change in the political dynamic.
Given the swing to the “far” left of labour, and that the LD are still reeling from their time in the coalition, could we see a new, centrist party being created ? Or maybe the more radical changes suggested by Cable will mean a return to some kind of significance for LD?
There feels to be a void atm at least ... thoughts ? |
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We have been here before and not that long ago.
Anyone remember the SDLP?
Anyone remember the Liberal Party?
Anyone remember he SDLP and Liberal Party uniting to form the LibDems?
Anyone notice that the Lib and the LibDems have about the same share of the vote and the same number of seats in the Commons?
If you want to know how something is going to turn out look at history and see how it turned out last time it was tried. Then remember the definition of madness and ask yourself if those proposing to do the same again are expecting a different outcome.
In my opinion this is just another case of political madness. 
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"We have been here before and not that long ago.
Anyone remember the SDLP?
Anyone remember the Liberal Party?
Anyone remember he SDLP and Liberal Party uniting to form the LibDems?
Anyone notice that the Lib and the LibDems have about the same share of the vote and the same number of seats in the Commons?
If you want to know how something is going to turn out look at history and see how it turned out last time it was tried. Then remember the definition of madness and ask yourself if those proposing to do the same again are expecting a different outcome.
In my opinion this is just another case of political madness.
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I have to agree with looking at history as this is a guide to all things political.
I do,however feel there is not only a more militant left and right in politics but there is also the euro divisions as well.Things seem to be more complex than at any previous time in our modern history so maybe a centrist party may do better than in the past.The divisions in this country are not only wide but there is a nastiness with them for which I do blame the internet in a big way.
Neverless the internet does exist so a new way is coming,when and in what form I am not sure but as Dylan said the times they are a changing but more so now than when he wrote it |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
There's a purge coming in the Labour Party, and it will swing further to the left.
Moderates are already anxious, and Tony Blair is on the prowl again. Would he become the catalyst for mass Labour party defections? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"There's a purge coming in the Labour Party, and it will swing further to the left.
Moderates are already anxious, and Tony Blair is on the prowl again. Would he become the catalyst for mass Labour party defections? "
Let’s hope the popular war criminal Tony Blair stays hidden away and out of public life. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There's a purge coming in the Labour Party, and it will swing further to the left.
Moderates are already anxious, and Tony Blair is on the prowl again. Would he become the catalyst for mass Labour party defections?
Let’s hope the popular war criminal Tony Blair stays hidden away and out of public life."
Nah bring him back. He is even more of a vote loser than Corbyn! :D |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"There's a purge coming in the Labour Party, and it will swing further to the left.
Moderates are already anxious, and Tony Blair is on the prowl again. Would he become the catalyst for mass Labour party defections?
Let’s hope the popular war criminal Tony Blair stays hidden away and out of public life.
Nah bring him back. He is even more of a vote loser than Corbyn! :D"
How do you work that out he won three election |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There's a purge coming in the Labour Party, and it will swing further to the left.
Moderates are already anxious, and Tony Blair is on the prowl again. Would he become the catalyst for mass Labour party defections?
Let’s hope the popular war criminal Tony Blair stays hidden away and out of public life.
Nah bring him back. He is even more of a vote loser than Corbyn! :DHow do you work that out he won three election"
Everybody knows him as a war monger, some (like me) even think war criminal. He wouldn’t win another election, no way... |
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"There's a purge coming in the Labour Party, and it will swing further to the left.
Moderates are already anxious, and Tony Blair is on the prowl again. Would he become the catalyst for mass Labour party defections?
Let’s hope the popular war criminal Tony Blair stays hidden away and out of public life."
What war was that then ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There's a purge coming in the Labour Party, and it will swing further to the left.
Moderates are already anxious, and Tony Blair is on the prowl again. Would he become the catalyst for mass Labour party defections?
Let’s hope the popular war criminal Tony Blair stays hidden away and out of public life.
What war was that then ?"
Iraq war II
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By (user no longer on site)
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"There's a purge coming in the Labour Party, and it will swing further to the left.
Moderates are already anxious, and Tony Blair is on the prowl again. Would he become the catalyst for mass Labour party defections?
Let’s hope the popular war criminal Tony Blair stays hidden away and out of public life.
Nah bring him back. He is even more of a vote loser than Corbyn! :DHow do you work that out he won three election
Everybody knows him as a war monger, some (like me) even think war criminal. He wouldn’t win another election, no way..."
He made a decision based on a dodgy dossier supplied by the US (the very same right wingers whom you support)! |
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"There's a purge coming in the Labour Party, and it will swing further to the left.
Moderates are already anxious, and Tony Blair is on the prowl again. Would he become the catalyst for mass Labour party defections?
Let’s hope the popular war criminal Tony Blair stays hidden away and out of public life.
What war was that then ?
Iraq war II
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As said it was a U.S lead invasion which led to a war .
How you lot can claim he is a war criminal is laughable .
British history is littered with war crime which i am sure YOU are very proud of .
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"There's a purge coming in the Labour Party, and it will swing further to the left.
Moderates are already anxious, and Tony Blair is on the prowl again. Would he become the catalyst for mass Labour party defections?
Let’s hope the popular war criminal Tony Blair stays hidden away and out of public life.
Nah bring him back. He is even more of a vote loser than Corbyn! :DHow do you work that out he won three election
Everybody knows him as a war monger, some (like me) even think war criminal. He wouldn’t win another election, no way...
He made a decision based on a dodgy dossier supplied by the US (the very same right wingers whom you support)!"
Our own British Intelligence also said Saddam Hussain had weapons of Mass destruction which he could fire within 45 minutes. Or at least that was the way Blair sexed the intelligence up in order to sell it to Parliament. It was all lies, there was never any weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. |
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"There's a purge coming in the Labour Party, and it will swing further to the left.
Moderates are already anxious, and Tony Blair is on the prowl again. Would he become the catalyst for mass Labour party defections?
Let’s hope the popular war criminal Tony Blair stays hidden away and out of public life.
Nah bring him back. He is even more of a vote loser than Corbyn! :DHow do you work that out he won three election
Everybody knows him as a war monger, some (like me) even think war criminal. He wouldn’t win another election, no way...
He made a decision based on a dodgy dossier supplied by the US (the very same right wingers whom you support)!
Our own British Intelligence also said Saddam Hussain had weapons of Mass destruction which he could fire within 45 minutes. Or at least that was the way Blair sexed the intelligence up in order to sell it to Parliament. It was all lies, there was never any weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. "
There was it was onnthe front cover of the Sun !
Big picture of a corrugated tin roof over some roughly thrown together bits of wood Bear Grylls style !!!
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"There's a purge coming in the Labour Party, and it will swing further to the left.
Moderates are already anxious, and Tony Blair is on the prowl again. Would he become the catalyst for mass Labour party defections? "
I find the talk of "purges" quite interesting. The Labour Party is quite a democratic organisation. The current deselections and votes of no confidence were democratic votes, carried by a majority.
Party members are becoming increasingly discontent with MPs attempting to work against their own party. You think a Labour
MP who said she had no confidence in the leadership in her own election campaign wouldn't be deselected? |
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"There's a purge coming in the Labour Party, and it will swing further to the left.
Moderates are already anxious, and Tony Blair is on the prowl again. Would he become the catalyst for mass Labour party defections?
I find the talk of "purges" quite interesting. The Labour Party is quite a democratic organisation. The current deselections and votes of no confidence were democratic votes, carried by a majority.
Party members are becoming increasingly discontent with MPs attempting to work against their own party. You think a Labour
MP who said she had no confidence in the leadership in her own election campaign wouldn't be deselected? "
Why are party members not discontent with Corbyn then? He has worked against/voted against his own party more than any other Labour MP in history. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"There's a purge coming in the Labour Party, and it will swing further to the left.
Moderates are already anxious, and Tony Blair is on the prowl again. Would he become the catalyst for mass Labour party defections?
I find the talk of "purges" quite interesting. The Labour Party is quite a democratic organisation. The current deselections and votes of no confidence were democratic votes, carried by a majority.
Party members are becoming increasingly discontent with MPs attempting to work against their own party. You think a Labour
MP who said she had no confidence in the leadership in her own election campaign wouldn't be deselected?
Why are party members not discontent with Corbyn then? He has worked against/voted against his own party more than any other Labour MP in history. "
Defying the whip is one thing, campaigning for re-election in order to oppose the party you belong to is another.
What's worrying the Blairites is the strength of the following that the left has now in Labour (unsurprisingly, given that it's a socialist party), and now that some of the measures that Blair put in to circumvent the democratic process have gone, this leaves them open to being voted out. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"There's a purge coming in the Labour Party, and it will swing further to the left.
Moderates are already anxious, and Tony Blair is on the prowl again. Would he become the catalyst for mass Labour party defections?
Let’s hope the popular war criminal Tony Blair stays hidden away and out of public life.
Nah bring him back. He is even more of a vote loser than Corbyn! :DHow do you work that out he won three election
Everybody knows him as a war monger, some (like me) even think war criminal. He wouldn’t win another election, no way...
He made a decision based on a dodgy dossier supplied by the US (the very same right wingers whom you support)!"
I have never supported the Bush family... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"From vince cable I doubt it but I agree with his ideology the whole system needs a complete overhaul x"
It's a shame as I think Vince is very sensible in his assesments of situations. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"There's a purge coming in the Labour Party, and it will swing further to the left.
Moderates are already anxious, and Tony Blair is on the prowl again. Would he become the catalyst for mass Labour party defections?
I find the talk of "purges" quite interesting. The Labour Party is quite a democratic organisation. The current deselections and votes of no confidence were democratic votes, carried by a majority.
Party members are becoming increasingly discontent with MPs attempting to work against their own party. You think a Labour
MP who said she had no confidence in the leadership in her own election campaign wouldn't be deselected?
Why are party members not discontent with Corbyn then? He has worked against/voted against his own party more than any other Labour MP in history.
Defying the whip is one thing, campaigning for re-election in order to oppose the party you belong to is another.
What's worrying the Blairites is the strength of the following that the left has now in Labour (unsurprisingly, given that it's a socialist party), and now that some of the measures that Blair put in to circumvent the democratic process have gone, this leaves them open to being voted out."
But would the Labour Party be electable as a Far Left Party?
The Unions will back JC but they are gathering support for Labour to back a second referendum, something that JC vehemently wants to avoid. |
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"There's a purge coming in the Labour Party, and it will swing further to the left.
Moderates are already anxious, and Tony Blair is on the prowl again. Would he become the catalyst for mass Labour party defections?
Let’s hope the popular war criminal Tony Blair stays hidden away and out of public life.
Nah bring him back. He is even more of a vote loser than Corbyn! :D"
Well he's hated my the hard left and the anti EU right so, IMHO, any one hated by both those populist groups has to be worth listening to.
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"There's a purge coming in the Labour Party, and it will swing further to the left.
Moderates are already anxious, and Tony Blair is on the prowl again. Would he become the catalyst for mass Labour party defections?
Let’s hope the popular war criminal Tony Blair stays hidden away and out of public life.
Nah bring him back. He is even more of a vote loser than Corbyn! :DHow do you work that out he won three election
Everybody knows him as a war monger, some (like me) even think war criminal. He wouldn’t win another election, no way..."
That's all just part of the joint left/right populist movement to undermine the centre. I'm not sure I'd want Tony as the leader of a new centrist party or movement but I wouldn't mind his backing.
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"There's a purge coming in the Labour Party, and it will swing further to the left.
Moderates are already anxious, and Tony Blair is on the prowl again. Would he become the catalyst for mass Labour party defections?
Let’s hope the popular war criminal Tony Blair stays hidden away and out of public life.
Nah bring him back. He is even more of a vote loser than Corbyn! :DHow do you work that out he won three election
Everybody knows him as a war monger, some (like me) even think war criminal. He wouldn’t win another election, no way...
He made a decision based on a dodgy dossier supplied by the US (the very same right wingers whom you support)!
Our own British Intelligence also said Saddam Hussain had weapons of Mass destruction which he could fire within 45 minutes. Or at least that was the way Blair sexed the intelligence up in order to sell it to Parliament. It was all lies, there was never any weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. "
But was it a lie?
It's always amazes me how people change history after the event to fit what they want. The fact is the Americans thought he had WMDs, the British thought he had WMDs, the French thought he had WMDs, even the Russians thought he had WMDs and Saddam Hussein said he had WMDs. Turned out they were all wrong. Does being wrong make them all Liars?
Far more likely, and in many ways far more worrying, is fact that this was a colossal failing of all the major intelligence agencies around the world. But let's not worry about that, let's just use it as a tool for minor, national party political point scoring.
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"There's a purge coming in the Labour Party, and it will swing further to the left.
Moderates are already anxious, and Tony Blair is on the prowl again. Would he become the catalyst for mass Labour party defections?
I find the talk of "purges" quite interesting. The Labour Party is quite a democratic organisation. The current deselections and votes of no confidence were democratic votes, carried by a majority.
Party members are becoming increasingly discontent with MPs attempting to work against their own party. You think a Labour
MP who said she had no confidence in the leadership in her own election campaign wouldn't be deselected?
Why are party members not discontent with Corbyn then? He has worked against/voted against his own party more than any other Labour MP in history.
Defying the whip is one thing, campaigning for re-election in order to oppose the party you belong to is another.
What's worrying the Blairites is the strength of the following that the left has now in Labour (unsurprisingly, given that it's a socialist party), and now that some of the measures that Blair put in to circumvent the democratic process have gone, this leaves them open to being voted out."
I think what probably worries them more is that they believe the party is moving too far off the centre ground where most elections are won in the UK.
IMHO the only reason why Labour is doing as well as it's doing is because the centre is just as or more worried by BREXIT than it is by Corbyn. But whatever happens that won't last, especially as Corbyn is being seen by more and more in the centre as pretty ineffective in stopping a hard BREXIT. |
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As a country we are so weak and vulnerable at the moment Russia are coming in to see where the cracks are if there was a world war now I do think we would loose x |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"As a country we are so weak and vulnerable at the moment Russia are coming in to see where the cracks are if there was a world war now I do think we would loose x"
If there had been a world war at any time since the last, we would have lost. So no change there. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"As a country we are so weak and vulnerable at the moment Russia are coming in to see where the cracks are if there was a world war now I do think we would loose x
If there had been a world war at any time since the last, we would have lost. So no change there. "
What happened to the bulldog spirit that we all should be having over Brexit. Surely that would win the day in a war |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I can see no advantage for labour merging with the libs.
Labour hoovered up the young vote and the libs are tainted by their coalition with the Tories and the lie they told the youth about tuition fees .That stain won't wash out ..Vince will soon leave and his party will fade even more because of their weak position .Labour see themselves in ascendancy .The libs are reaching out to the the labour party as a life saver for them not the other way round .Libs aren't bad people just yesterday's party and out of touch . |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"There's a purge coming in the Labour Party, and it will swing further to the left.
Moderates are already anxious, and Tony Blair is on the prowl again. Would he become the catalyst for mass Labour party defections?
Let’s hope the popular war criminal Tony Blair stays hidden away and out of public life.
Nah bring him back. He is even more of a vote loser than Corbyn! :DHow do you work that out he won three election
Everybody knows him as a war monger, some (like me) even think war criminal. He wouldn’t win another election, no way...
He made a decision based on a dodgy dossier supplied by the US (the very same right wingers whom you support)!
Our own British Intelligence also said Saddam Hussain had weapons of Mass destruction which he could fire within 45 minutes. Or at least that was the way Blair sexed the intelligence up in order to sell it to Parliament. It was all lies, there was never any weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
But was it a lie?
It's always amazes me how people change history after the event to fit what they want. The fact is the Americans thought he had WMDs, the British thought he had WMDs, the French thought he had WMDs, even the Russians thought he had WMDs and Saddam Hussein said he had WMDs. Turned out they were all wrong. Does being wrong make them all Liars?
Far more likely, and in many ways far more worrying, is fact that this was a colossal failing of all the major intelligence agencies around the world. But let's not worry about that, let's just use it as a tool for minor, national party political point scoring.
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Bush & Blair hyped the intelligence that supported their policy goals – while ignoring or playing down dissents or caveats from within their own intelligence communities.
The intelligence was used for political purposes,
But let's not worry about that! |
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