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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Now I’m nowhere near being a UKIP supporter, but will say I thought their attempts to out some unsavouriness is something others could look to.
However there are reports across many media outlets they may be allowing Tommy Robinson in.
One, is this true (or is it a case of changing a rule, a consequence of which could be Tommy could join)
Two, does this make UKIP less attractive to other voters ? I know many here (and understandably so) get frustrated at the view ukip supporter = racist. Clearly this doesn’t suddenly make you racist. But are you still as behind UKIP if they are relaxing the laws. Or should the membership criteria not be something which affects party support ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Now I’m nowhere near being a UKIP supporter, but will say I thought their attempts to out some unsavouriness is something others could look to.
However there are reports across many media outlets they may be allowing Tommy Robinson in.
One, is this true (or is it a case of changing a rule, a consequence of which could be Tommy could join)
Two, does this make UKIP less attractive to other voters ? I know many here (and understandably so) get frustrated at the view ukip supporter = racist. Clearly this doesn’t suddenly make you racist. But are you still as behind UKIP if they are relaxing the laws. Or should the membership criteria not be something which affects party support ?"
I don’t see why a UKIP supporter would get frustrated at the racist label. Racism is one of their two core policies, (misinformation being the second).
“Racist might be allowed to join racist political party”. Is the biggest non-story of all time. |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
Derby |
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“Racist might be allowed to join racist political party”. Is the biggest non-story of all time."
I must have missed that report....I saw Nick Griffin had given his public support to the Labour Party, didn't realise he was joining the Labour Party as well. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
As usual, media headlines disguise the real facts!
A motion has been put forward by a UKIP member, that TR be allowed to join.
This motion is to be debated at a UKIP executive meeting this weekend, on whether it can go forward to the UKIP annual conference, and then be debated and voted on by the membership.
Tommy Robinson is a long way off becoming a UKIP member, if at all.
And that's assuming that he actually wants to join UKIP. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"As usual, media headlines disguise the real facts!
A motion has been put forward by a UKIP member, that TR be allowed to join.
This motion is to be debated at a UKIP executive meeting this weekend, on whether it can go forward to the UKIP annual conference, and then be debated and voted on by the membership.
Tommy Robinson is a long way off becoming a UKIP member, if at all.
And that's assuming that he actually wants to join UKIP."
Isn't the point that they are considering overturning the ban?
No doubt done purely for publicity and headlines but will result in attracting a certain type of person. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"As usual, media headlines disguise the real facts!
A motion has been put forward by a UKIP member, that TR be allowed to join.
This motion is to be debated at a UKIP executive meeting this weekend, on whether it can go forward to the UKIP annual conference, and then be debated and voted on by the membership.
Tommy Robinson is a long way off becoming a UKIP member, if at all.
And that's assuming that he actually wants to join UKIP.
Isn't the point that they are considering overturning the ban?
No doubt done purely for publicity and headlines but will result in attracting a certain type of person."
The UKIP Executive may feel that the Motion is not worthy to go to conference, and bin it there and then. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"As usual, media headlines disguise the real facts!
A motion has been put forward by a UKIP member, that TR be allowed to join.
This motion is to be debated at a UKIP executive meeting this weekend, on whether it can go forward to the UKIP annual conference, and then be debated and voted on by the membership.
Tommy Robinson is a long way off becoming a UKIP member, if at all.
And that's assuming that he actually wants to join UKIP.
Isn't the point that they are considering overturning the ban?
No doubt done purely for publicity and headlines but will result in attracting a certain type of person.
The UKIP Executive may feel that the Motion is not worthy to go to conference, and bin it there and then."
...but they have the publicity either way. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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“Racist might be allowed to join racist political party”. Is the biggest non-story of all time.
I must have missed that report....I saw Nick Griffin had given his public support to the Labour Party, didn't realise he was joining the Labour Party as well."
It’s s in all the papers.
I’m not a labour supporter, just because I’m not bigoted doesn’t mean I’m a labour voter. In any case Nick Griffin isn’t boosting labour by showing support, and they aren’t considering letting him join.
What did Gerard Batten say about Tommy Robinson, likened him to Ghandi and Nelson Mandela.
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"As usual, media headlines disguise the real facts!
A motion has been put forward by a UKIP member, that TR be allowed to join.
This motion is to be debated at a UKIP executive meeting this weekend, on whether it can go forward to the UKIP annual conference, and then be debated and voted on by the membership.
Tommy Robinson is a long way off becoming a UKIP member, if at all.
And that's assuming that he actually wants to join UKIP.
Isn't the point that they are considering overturning the ban?
No doubt done purely for publicity and headlines but will result in attracting a certain type of person."
He will find kindred spirits there if they let him in.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"As usual, media headlines disguise the real facts!
A motion has been put forward by a UKIP member, that TR be allowed to join.
This motion is to be debated at a UKIP executive meeting this weekend, on whether it can go forward to the UKIP annual conference, and then be debated and voted on by the membership.
Tommy Robinson is a long way off becoming a UKIP member, if at all.
And that's assuming that he actually wants to join UKIP."
A bit like Turkey joining the EU soon do you mean? |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
I think the more scary thing was that Aaron banks tried to join the Conservative party and encourage the UKIP lions to follow him to try and influence any leadership contest vote
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think the more scary thing was that Aaron banks tried to join the Conservative party and encourage the UKIP lions to follow him to try and influence any leadership contest vote
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True but some Tories joined Labour to vote for Corbyn - I know because some were bragging about it!
We may as go the whole hog and screw the world good and proper  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think the more scary thing was that Aaron banks tried to join the Conservative party and encourage the UKIP lions to follow him to try and influence any leadership contest vote
True but some Tories joined Labour to vote for Corbyn - I know because some were bragging about it!
We may as go the whole hog and screw the world good and proper "
It's not like this is the first time this sort of thing has happened.
A mate who is a Labour Party member recently joined the Conservative Party so he can influence any future leadership contest. He said it is the best £15 he has ever spent.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think the more scary thing was that Aaron banks tried to join the Conservative party and encourage the UKIP lions to follow him to try and influence any leadership contest vote
True but some Tories joined Labour to vote for Corbyn - I know because some were bragging about it!
We may as go the whole hog and screw the world good and proper
It's not like this is the first time this sort of thing has happened.
A mate who is a Labour Party member recently joined the Conservative Party so he can influence any future leadership contest. He said it is the best £15 he has ever spent.
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But is that good democracy? It's more like conspiring to influence policy as long as it's your point of view! God save the world! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I think the more scary thing was that Aaron banks tried to join the Conservative party and encourage the UKIP lions to follow him to try and influence any leadership contest vote
True but some Tories joined Labour to vote for Corbyn - I know because some were bragging about it!
We may as go the whole hog and screw the world good and proper
It's not like this is the first time this sort of thing has happened.
A mate who is a Labour Party member recently joined the Conservative Party so he can influence any future leadership contest. He said it is the best £15 he has ever spent.
But is that good democracy? It's more like conspiring to influence policy as long as it's your point of view! God save the world! "
It's the world we live in yoy have to fight fire with fire .I know of someone who is very much involved with antifa who has joined his local kippers and secretly records local meetings to use against them at a future date .  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think the more scary thing was that Aaron banks tried to join the Conservative party and encourage the UKIP lions to follow him to try and influence any leadership contest vote
True but some Tories joined Labour to vote for Corbyn - I know because some were bragging about it!
We may as go the whole hog and screw the world good and proper
It's not like this is the first time this sort of thing has happened.
A mate who is a Labour Party member recently joined the Conservative Party so he can influence any future leadership contest. He said it is the best £15 he has ever spent.
But is that good democracy? It's more like conspiring to influence policy as long as it's your point of view! God save the world! "
I suppose it is but on a tiny scale.
If you want to see how it is done on a massive scale you need to look at the lobby industry in Brussels and how they influence EU policy on behalf of multinational corporations.
https://youtu.be/QFevdq4wZRw |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I think the more scary thing was that Aaron banks tried to join the Conservative party and encourage the UKIP lions to follow him to try and influence any leadership contest vote
True but some Tories joined Labour to vote for Corbyn - I know because some were bragging about it!
We may as go the whole hog and screw the world good and proper
It's not like this is the first time this sort of thing has happened.
A mate who is a Labour Party member recently joined the Conservative Party so he can influence any future leadership contest. He said it is the best £15 he has ever spent.
But is that good democracy? It's more like conspiring to influence policy as long as it's your point of view! God save the world!
I suppose it is but on a tiny scale.
If you want to see how it is done on a massive scale you need to look at the lobby industry in Brussels and how they influence EU policy on behalf of multinational corporations.
https://youtu.be/QFevdq4wZRw"
Don’t think this is just an EU thing .... |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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If you want to see how it is done on a massive scale you need to look at the lobby industry in Brussels and how they influence EU policy on behalf of multinational corporations.
https://youtu.be/QFevdq4wZRw"
How different is that from the lobby industry that swirls through Westminster, or the legislators here who have been exposed as corrupt?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I think the more scary thing was that Aaron banks tried to join the Conservative party and encourage the UKIP lions to follow him to try and influence any leadership contest vote
True but some Tories joined Labour to vote for Corbyn - I know because some were bragging about it!
We may as go the whole hog and screw the world good and proper
It's not like this is the first time this sort of thing has happened.
A mate who is a Labour Party member recently joined the Conservative Party so he can influence any future leadership contest. He said it is the best £15 he has ever spent.
But is that good democracy? It's more like conspiring to influence policy as long as it's your point of view! God save the world!
I suppose it is but on a tiny scale.
If you want to see how it is done on a massive scale you need to look at the lobby industry in Brussels and how they influence EU policy on behalf of multinational corporations.
https://youtu.be/QFevdq4wZRw
Don’t think this is just an EU thing .... "
Of course it's not. It happens in Westminster, Berlin, Paris, Washington etc. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If you want to see how it is done on a massive scale you need to look at the lobby industry in Brussels and how they influence EU policy on behalf of multinational corporations.
https://youtu.be/QFevdq4wZRw
How different is that from the lobby industry that swirls through Westminster, or the legislators here who have been exposed as corrupt?
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It's no different, apart from the scale of the lobbying and corruption of course! |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
True.
Corrupt a Brussels decision and you swing a decision affecting 28 countries and 600 million consumers to your advantage.
Corrupt a Westminster decision and you swing a decision affecting 1 country and 65 million consumers.
The stakes are higher. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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""Fascist may be allowed to join racist party."
Well at least there would be no hiding away from UKIPs true nature then.Most of the fascists and racist our in the Labour party"
Erm! What? Haha.
You can’t just make stuff up and pretend it’s true.
Most racists go to Norwich 3 times a month.
1 in 3 pigeons has never eaten a boiled egg.
Most Green Party members can’t empathise with colour blind people.
See, it just doesn’t work. |
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""Fascist may be allowed to join racist party."
Well at least there would be no hiding away from UKIPs true nature then.Most of the fascists and racist our in the Labour party
Erm! What? Haha.
You can’t just make stuff up and pretend it’s true.
Most racists go to Norwich 3 times a month.
1 in 3 pigeons has never eaten a boiled egg.
Most Green Party members can’t empathise with colour blind people.
See, it just doesn’t work."
Antisemitism is classed as racism. Are you saying there is no antisemitism in the Labour party? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
""Fascist may be allowed to join racist party."
Well at least there would be no hiding away from UKIPs true nature then.Most of the fascists and racist our in the Labour party
Erm! What? Haha.
You can’t just make stuff up and pretend it’s true.
Most racists go to Norwich 3 times a month.
1 in 3 pigeons has never eaten a boiled egg.
Most Green Party members can’t empathise with colour blind people.
See, it just doesn’t work.
Antisemitism is classed as racism. Are you saying there is no antisemitism in the Labour party? "
Are you saying there's no anti-Muslim sentiment in UKIP?
Racist then. Right? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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""Fascist may be allowed to join racist party."
Well at least there would be no hiding away from UKIPs true nature then.Most of the fascists and racist our in the Labour party
Erm! What? Haha.
You can’t just make stuff up and pretend it’s true.
Most racists go to Norwich 3 times a month.
1 in 3 pigeons has never eaten a boiled egg.
Most Green Party members can’t empathise with colour blind people.
See, it just doesn’t work.
Antisemitism is classed as racism. Are you saying there is no antisemitism in the Labour party?
Are you saying there's no anti-Muslim sentiment in UKIP?
Racist then. Right?"
You love your labels!
There are anti-muslim sentiments/elements in every political party just as there are anti-Semitic sentiments/elements in every political party.
Does that mean every political party is racist and that every person who voted for, or who is a member of, a political party is a racist?
Does that mean you are a racist? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If UKIP really does allow Robinson (Yaxley Lennon, or whatever his name is) to join. They will blow any chance they have of making a political come back. Perhaps it could be seen as a deliberate ploy to finally destroy the party from within.
I am not going to even pretend that I give a rats arse about Islamaphobia, any more than I do about anisemitism. I believe that everybody should have the right to believe what they want, and express their beliefs similarly. In saying that, I mean that if the EDL want to have a demo, then they should be allowed to do so without interference.
But Robinson is a loud mouthed thug, and he makes anyone who expresses their worries about radical Islam in the UK look stupid. That doesn’t mean I think he deserves to be locked up, I just don’t think he should be given a stage by any political party. Tbh I doubt even the NF would have him, so why would UKIP? It doesn’t make sense, they just need our Nige back at the helm, where he belongs. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
""Fascist may be allowed to join racist party."
Well at least there would be no hiding away from UKIPs true nature then.Most of the fascists and racist our in the Labour party
Erm! What? Haha.
You can’t just make stuff up and pretend it’s true.
Most racists go to Norwich 3 times a month.
1 in 3 pigeons has never eaten a boiled egg.
Most Green Party members can’t empathise with colour blind people.
See, it just doesn’t work.
Antisemitism is classed as racism. Are you saying there is no antisemitism in the Labour party?
Are you saying there's no anti-Muslim sentiment in UKIP?
Racist then. Right?
You love your labels!
There are anti-muslim sentiments/elements in every political party just as there are anti-Semitic sentiments/elements in every political party.
Does that mean every political party is racist and that every person who voted for, or who is a member of, a political party is a racist?
Does that mean you are a racist?"
Sounds like you have agreed completely with me.
I am using the same logic expressed in the comment that I responded to.
Please think before making assumptions. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If UKIP really does allow Robinson (Yaxley Lennon, or whatever his name is) to join. They will blow any chance they have of making a political come back. Perhaps it could be seen as a deliberate ploy to finally destroy the party from within.
I am not going to even pretend that I give a rats arse about Islamaphobia, any more than I do about anisemitism. I believe that everybody should have the right to believe what they want, and express their beliefs similarly. In saying that, I mean that if the EDL want to have a demo, then they should be allowed to do so without interference.
But Robinson is a loud mouthed thug, and he makes anyone who expresses their worries about radical Islam in the UK look stupid. That doesn’t mean I think he deserves to be locked up, I just don’t think he should be given a stage by any political party. Tbh I doubt even the NF would have him, so why would UKIP? It doesn’t make sense, they just need our Nige back at the helm, where he belongs."
So anti Semitism is okay by you, islamaphobia is okay by you. But anyone who disagrees and wants to avail of the right to say and believe anything they want is, and I’ll quote you from the thread about how to argue, a “snowflake”.
Why do people who want to speak up with an opposing view to yours make you so insecure? Is dealing with non-racist people really so difficult for you that you are forced to jump to meaningless insults? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If UKIP really does allow Robinson (Yaxley Lennon, or whatever his name is) to join. They will blow any chance they have of making a political come back. Perhaps it could be seen as a deliberate ploy to finally destroy the party from within.
I am not going to even pretend that I give a rats arse about Islamaphobia, any more than I do about anisemitism. I believe that everybody should have the right to believe what they want, and express their beliefs similarly. In saying that, I mean that if the EDL want to have a demo, then they should be allowed to do so without interference.
But Robinson is a loud mouthed thug, and he makes anyone who expresses their worries about radical Islam in the UK look stupid. That doesn’t mean I think he deserves to be locked up, I just don’t think he should be given a stage by any political party. Tbh I doubt even the NF would have him, so why would UKIP? It doesn’t make sense, they just need our Nige back at the helm, where he belongs.
So anti Semitism is okay by you, islamaphobia is okay by you. But anyone who disagrees and wants to avail of the right to say and believe anything they want is, and I’ll quote you from the thread about how to argue, a “snowflake”.
Why do people who want to speak up with an opposing view to yours make you so insecure? Is dealing with non-racist people really so difficult for you that you are forced to jump to meaningless insults?"
I said I don’t give a rats arse about other people’s phobias, didn’t say they were ok, but similarly I don’t think people should be jailed for them.
As for the other stuff you mention, you appear to be going off on a tangent. I’m not insecure about anything, alright I’m scared of wasps ok? Oh and I only call someone a snowflake if I think they are a snowflake. Simpals! |
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"If UKIP really does allow Robinson (Yaxley Lennon, or whatever his name is) to join. They will blow any chance they have of making a political come back. Perhaps it could be seen as a deliberate ploy to finally destroy the party from within.
I am not going to even pretend that I give a rats arse about Islamaphobia, any more than I do about anisemitism. I believe that everybody should have the right to believe what they want, and express their beliefs similarly. In saying that, I mean that if the EDL want to have a demo, then they should be allowed to do so without interference.
But Robinson is a loud mouthed thug, and he makes anyone who expresses their worries about radical Islam in the UK look stupid. That doesn’t mean I think he deserves to be locked up, I just don’t think he should be given a stage by any political party. Tbh I doubt even the NF would have him, so why would UKIP? It doesn’t make sense, they just need our Nige back at the helm, where he belongs.
So anti Semitism is okay by you, islamaphobia is okay by you. But anyone who disagrees and wants to avail of the right to say and believe anything they want is, and I’ll quote you from the thread about how to argue, a “snowflake”.
Why do people who want to speak up with an opposing view to yours make you so insecure? Is dealing with non-racist people really so difficult for you that you are forced to jump to meaningless insults?
I said I don’t give a rats arse about other people’s phobias, didn’t say they were ok, but similarly I don’t think people should be jailed for them.
As for the other stuff you mention, you appear to be going off on a tangent. I’m not insecure about anything, alright I’m scared of wasps ok? Oh and I only call someone a snowflake if I think they are a snowflake. Simpals!"
I’m all for free speech and letting people say what they want in the public sphere. I think Germany’s law against denying the holocaust is silly, for example. I can understand why it’s a delicate issue. But essentially that’s a law against telling lies on a specific subject.
However when we move to the political sphere, this is when we start to have a problem. UKIP as a example, demonised Muslims and immigrants during the referendum to campaign for a leave vote. That kind of institutionalised organised racism used as a political tool is a problem on so many levels. |
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"If UKIP really does allow Robinson (Yaxley Lennon, or whatever his name is) to join. They will blow any chance they have of making a political come back. Perhaps it could be seen as a deliberate ploy to finally destroy the party from within.
I am not going to even pretend that I give a rats arse about Islamaphobia, any more than I do about anisemitism. I believe that everybody should have the right to believe what they want, and express their beliefs similarly. In saying that, I mean that if the EDL want to have a demo, then they should be allowed to do so without interference.
But Robinson is a loud mouthed thug, and he makes anyone who expresses their worries about radical Islam in the UK look stupid. That doesn’t mean I think he deserves to be locked up, I just don’t think he should be given a stage by any political party. Tbh I doubt even the NF would have him, so why would UKIP? It doesn’t make sense, they just need our Nige back at the helm, where he belongs.
So anti Semitism is okay by you, islamaphobia is okay by you. But anyone who disagrees and wants to avail of the right to say and believe anything they want is, and I’ll quote you from the thread about how to argue, a “snowflake”.
Why do people who want to speak up with an opposing view to yours make you so insecure? Is dealing with non-racist people really so difficult for you that you are forced to jump to meaningless insults?
I said I don’t give a rats arse about other people’s phobias, didn’t say they were ok, but similarly I don’t think people should be jailed for them.
As for the other stuff you mention, you appear to be going off on a tangent. I’m not insecure about anything, alright I’m scared of wasps ok? Oh and I only call someone a snowflake if I think they are a snowflake. Simpals!"
You don't need to worry about White, Anglo Saxon Protestants (WASPs). I know many wasps, some are even good friends. Most pose no real danger to anyone. Live and let live, that's what I say.  |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"If UKIP really does allow Robinson (Yaxley Lennon, or whatever his name is) to join. They will blow any chance they have of making a political come back. Perhaps it could be seen as a deliberate ploy to finally destroy the party from within.
I am not going to even pretend that I give a rats arse about Islamaphobia, any more than I do about anisemitism. I believe that everybody should have the right to believe what they want, and express their beliefs similarly. In saying that, I mean that if the EDL want to have a demo, then they should be allowed to do so without interference.
But Robinson is a loud mouthed thug, and he makes anyone who expresses their worries about radical Islam in the UK look stupid. That doesn’t mean I think he deserves to be locked up, I just don’t think he should be given a stage by any political party. Tbh I doubt even the NF would have him, so why would UKIP? It doesn’t make sense, they just need our Nige back at the helm, where he belongs.
So anti Semitism is okay by you, islamaphobia is okay by you. But anyone who disagrees and wants to avail of the right to say and believe anything they want is, and I’ll quote you from the thread about how to argue, a “snowflake”.
Why do people who want to speak up with an opposing view to yours make you so insecure? Is dealing with non-racist people really so difficult for you that you are forced to jump to meaningless insults?
I said I don’t give a rats arse about other people’s phobias, didn’t say they were ok, but similarly I don’t think people should be jailed for them.
As for the other stuff you mention, you appear to be going off on a tangent. I’m not insecure about anything, alright I’m scared of wasps ok? Oh and I only call someone a snowflake if I think they are a snowflake. Simpals!
I’m all for free speech and letting people say what they want in the public sphere. I think Germany’s law against denying the holocaust is silly, for example. I can understand why it’s a delicate issue. But essentially that’s a law against telling lies on a specific subject.
However when we move to the political sphere, this is when we start to have a problem. UKIP as a example, demonised Muslims and immigrants during the referendum to campaign for a leave vote. That kind of institutionalised organised racism used as a political tool is a problem on so many levels."
There is a good reason for Germany's law on holocaust denial.
Whilst it was actually taking place, people, everyday people, were denying it. People have continued to deny it since.
So, to actually confront and accept their history they have a law which forces their history to be continually confronted.
West Germany always had this. The East did not. This, together with ongoing wealth discrepancies and being less used to foreigners has contributed to that half of the country being the seat of right wing movements. |
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Ok here goes,I’m Irish I’ve lived in London nearly 20yrs, I heard about Tommy Robinson and all he stood for, how racist he was, how much he hated the Irish etc. I judged the person from what I read in the media. What the eyes see and the ears hear the mind believes. Cutting a long story short and I don’t want to bore you all but I was introduced to Tommy by someone I knew, he wanted to change my opinion of Tommy I wanted to believe he was this horrible racist monster that hated us Irish, he wasn’t , he explained his believes to me, we didn’t agree but he acknowledged my right to express my opinion. That’s just my opinion, I’m not trying to tell anyone what they should do. Am I a racist because I’ve listened ? |
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"Ok here goes,I’m Irish I’ve lived in London nearly 20yrs, I heard about Tommy Robinson and all he stood for, how racist he was, how much he hated the Irish etc. I judged the person from what I read in the media. What the eyes see and the ears hear the mind believes. Cutting a long story short and I don’t want to bore you all but I was introduced to Tommy by someone I knew, he wanted to change my opinion of Tommy I wanted to believe he was this horrible racist monster that hated us Irish, he wasn’t , he explained his believes to me, we didn’t agree but he acknowledged my right to express my opinion. That’s just my opinion, I’m not trying to tell anyone what they should do. Am I a racist because I’ve listened ? "
There was a good documentary with Mo Ansar from about 5-6 years ago. He spent a long time with him, befriending and trying to understand him. He made a few breakthroughs, and at times it look liked he got through to him. Maybe it was the way they edited the final cut.
In any case it clearly made no difference as we can all see, he’s still at it.
Ultimately the way to change these kinds of people in society is to talk to them. Will require someone with a lot more understanding and patience than me though.
Whenever a politician talks to any unsavoury characters they’re slated in the media. But if the don’t talk to them then nothing changes. Look what happened in NI when then finally started to talk.
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