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The corruption in the EU has now got so bad even it's own Ombudsman condemns it. The EU Ombudsman has found the EU Commission guilty of 4 counts of maladministration.
This came as evidence became clear eurocrats brazenly broke EU rules to parachute German Martin Selmayr in as Secretary General in February.
The EU Ombudsman said that "EU officials did not follow proper procedure in letter or spirit" when appointing Selmayr. The ombudsman ruled EU officials created an artificial sense of urgency to install Selmayr first as deputy and then to immediately promote him onto the top job as Secretary General. The EU Ombudsman also found that the job was never advertised and Selmayr was the only candidate.
Shocking that the EU can behave in this way, so brash and arrogant now that the top brass don't even try to hide their corruption, they flaunt it in EU citizens faces. Will Selmayr lose his job? I wouldn't hold your breath, he is the chosen one amongst his cronies Juncker and Tusk.
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"The corruption in the EU has now got so bad even it's own Ombudsman condemns it. The EU Ombudsman has found the EU Commission guilty of 4 counts of maladministration.
This came as evidence became clear eurocrats brazenly broke EU rules to parachute German Martin Selmayr in as Secretary General in February.
The EU Ombudsman said that "EU officials did not follow proper procedure in letter or spirit" when appointing Selmayr. The ombudsman ruled EU officials created an artificial sense of urgency to install Selmayr first as deputy and then to immediately promote him onto the top job as Secretary General. The EU Ombudsman also found that the job was never advertised and Selmayr was the only candidate.
Shocking that the EU can behave in this way, so brash and arrogant now that the top brass don't even try to hide their corruption, they flaunt it in EU citizens faces. Will Selmayr lose his job? I wouldn't hold your breath, he is the chosen one amongst his cronies Juncker and Tusk.
The sooner we leave this vile cesspit the better. "
Just read the Sun version written in upper case with exclamation marks and written in crayon?
Yes, Junker is not the cleanest of politicians by a country mile. He is as dodgy as hell. Like BoJo, and Rees-Mogg. As is Selmayer.
However, if the corruption is so embedded how come it was reported by an EU Agency?
It could yet lead to Juncker also getting into trouble.
Will anything happen as a consequence? I don't know but the European Parliament has been in some uproar about it for some time. It's not new news. It's a long developing story. Did you not know?
Duck houses.
Sexual assaults in the House of Commons.
We have our own problems too.
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"The corruption in the EU has now got so bad even it's own Ombudsman condemns it. The EU Ombudsman has found the EU Commission guilty of 4 counts of maladministration.
This came as evidence became clear eurocrats brazenly broke EU rules to parachute German Martin Selmayr in as Secretary General in February.
The EU Ombudsman said that "EU officials did not follow proper procedure in letter or spirit" when appointing Selmayr. The ombudsman ruled EU officials created an artificial sense of urgency to install Selmayr first as deputy and then to immediately promote him onto the top job as Secretary General. The EU Ombudsman also found that the job was never advertised and Selmayr was the only candidate.
Shocking that the EU can behave in this way, so brash and arrogant now that the top brass don't even try to hide their corruption, they flaunt it in EU citizens faces. Will Selmayr lose his job? I wouldn't hold your breath, he is the chosen one amongst his cronies Juncker and Tusk.
The sooner we leave this vile cesspit the better.
Just read the Sun version written in upper case with exclamation marks and written in crayon?
Yes, Junker is not the cleanest of politicians by a country mile. He is as dodgy as hell. Like BoJo, and Rees-Mogg. As is Selmayer.
However, if the corruption is so embedded how come it was reported by an EU Agency?
It could yet lead to Juncker also getting into trouble.
Will anything happen as a consequence? I don't know but the European Parliament has been in some uproar about it for some time. It's not new news. It's a long developing story. Did you not know?
Duck houses.
Sexual assaults in the House of Commons.
We have our own problems too.
Are we going to leave that "vile cesspit" too or do something about it?"
If at first you don't succeed, deflect, deflect and deflect again....seems like a common occurrence with you.
And your claim that it could yet lead to Juncker getting into trouble is the biggest laugh I've had on here today. Like I said, won't be holding my breath. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"The corruption in the EU has now got so bad even it's own Ombudsman condemns it. The EU Ombudsman has found the EU Commission guilty of 4 counts of maladministration.
This came as evidence became clear eurocrats brazenly broke EU rules to parachute German Martin Selmayr in as Secretary General in February.
The EU Ombudsman said that "EU officials did not follow proper procedure in letter or spirit" when appointing Selmayr. The ombudsman ruled EU officials created an artificial sense of urgency to install Selmayr first as deputy and then to immediately promote him onto the top job as Secretary General. The EU Ombudsman also found that the job was never advertised and Selmayr was the only candidate.
Shocking that the EU can behave in this way, so brash and arrogant now that the top brass don't even try to hide their corruption, they flaunt it in EU citizens faces. Will Selmayr lose his job? I wouldn't hold your breath, he is the chosen one amongst his cronies Juncker and Tusk.
The sooner we leave this vile cesspit the better.
Just read the Sun version written in upper case with exclamation marks and written in crayon?
Yes, Junker is not the cleanest of politicians by a country mile. He is as dodgy as hell. Like BoJo, and Rees-Mogg. As is Selmayer.
However, if the corruption is so embedded how come it was reported by an EU Agency?
It could yet lead to Juncker also getting into trouble.
Will anything happen as a consequence? I don't know but the European Parliament has been in some uproar about it for some time. It's not new news. It's a long developing story. Did you not know?
Duck houses.
Sexual assaults in the House of Commons.
We have our own problems too.
Are we going to leave that "vile cesspit" too or do something about it?"
At least with our own "cesspit" we can vote them out not so with EU commissioners. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"The corruption in the EU has now got so bad even it's own Ombudsman condemns it. The EU Ombudsman has found the EU Commission guilty of 4 counts of maladministration.
This came as evidence became clear eurocrats brazenly broke EU rules to parachute German Martin Selmayr in as Secretary General in February.
The EU Ombudsman said that "EU officials did not follow proper procedure in letter or spirit" when appointing Selmayr. The ombudsman ruled EU officials created an artificial sense of urgency to install Selmayr first as deputy and then to immediately promote him onto the top job as Secretary General. The EU Ombudsman also found that the job was never advertised and Selmayr was the only candidate.
Shocking that the EU can behave in this way, so brash and arrogant now that the top brass don't even try to hide their corruption, they flaunt it in EU citizens faces. Will Selmayr lose his job? I wouldn't hold your breath, he is the chosen one amongst his cronies Juncker and Tusk.
The sooner we leave this vile cesspit the better.
Just read the Sun version written in upper case with exclamation marks and written in crayon?
Yes, Junker is not the cleanest of politicians by a country mile. He is as dodgy as hell. Like BoJo, and Rees-Mogg. As is Selmayer.
However, if the corruption is so embedded how come it was reported by an EU Agency?
It could yet lead to Juncker also getting into trouble.
Will anything happen as a consequence? I don't know but the European Parliament has been in some uproar about it for some time. It's not new news. It's a long developing story. Did you not know?
Duck houses.
Sexual assaults in the House of Commons.
We have our own problems too.
Are we going to leave that "vile cesspit" too or do something about it?At least with our own "cesspit" we can vote them out not so with EU commissioners. "
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"The corruption in the EU has now got so bad even it's own Ombudsman condemns it. The EU Ombudsman has found the EU Commission guilty of 4 counts of maladministration.
This came as evidence became clear eurocrats brazenly broke EU rules to parachute German Martin Selmayr in as Secretary General in February.
The EU Ombudsman said that "EU officials did not follow proper procedure in letter or spirit" when appointing Selmayr. The ombudsman ruled EU officials created an artificial sense of urgency to install Selmayr first as deputy and then to immediately promote him onto the top job as Secretary General. The EU Ombudsman also found that the job was never advertised and Selmayr was the only candidate.
Shocking that the EU can behave in this way, so brash and arrogant now that the top brass don't even try to hide their corruption, they flaunt it in EU citizens faces. Will Selmayr lose his job? I wouldn't hold your breath, he is the chosen one amongst his cronies Juncker and Tusk.
The sooner we leave this vile cesspit the better.
Just read the Sun version written in upper case with exclamation marks and written in crayon?
Yes, Junker is not the cleanest of politicians by a country mile. He is as dodgy as hell. Like BoJo, and Rees-Mogg. As is Selmayer.
However, if the corruption is so embedded how come it was reported by an EU Agency?
It could yet lead to Juncker also getting into trouble.
Will anything happen as a consequence? I don't know but the European Parliament has been in some uproar about it for some time. It's not new news. It's a long developing story. Did you not know?
Duck houses.
Sexual assaults in the House of Commons.
We have our own problems too.
Are we going to leave that "vile cesspit" too or do something about it?
If at first you don't succeed, deflect, deflect and deflect again....seems like a common occurrence with you.
And your claim that it could yet lead to Juncker getting into trouble is the biggest laugh I've had on here today. Like I said, won't be holding my breath. "
I have only made one attempt.
I don't use your playbook.
The EU is no more corrupt than we are.
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I don’t think many people claim the Eu is perfect or anywhere close. The silver lining to this story is it was caught, reviewed and dealt with, in a seemingly professional way. There’s plenty of things closer to hand I’d like to have gone through the same process.
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"I don’t think many people claim the Eu is perfect or anywhere close. The silver lining to this story is it was caught, reviewed and dealt with, in a seemingly professional way. There’s plenty of things closer to hand I’d like to have gone through the same process.
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In what way has it been 'dealt with?' Has Selmayr lost his job as a result of the findings? Has Juncker? No.
Seems to me the EU ombudsman is just there to pay lip service, and nothing will actually happen as a result of the findings. |
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I wondered when this story would make it into the forum.
Firstly Selmayr is a rabid federalist and the EU's bully boy in chief. In all but name he is also pretty much the real commission president.
He has been Juncker's attack dog since long before Juncker got the top job and it is widely believed that Juncker would be incapable of doing the job without him. His nickname in Brussels is "The Monster"
He is also believed to be the culprit when private conversations from a meeting at No 10 were leaked during the Brexit negotiations and is the driving force behind the EU's hard line stance in the negotiations. Finally it seems he is being slapped down.
His over promotion was at the behest of Juncker himself who knowingly broke the rules to get his man at his side when there were many other more qualified potential candidates. It has to be remembered that this isn't a party political post where politicians are allowed to appoint their own people, but the head of the Brussels civil service. An appointment that not only has to be, but also has to be seen to be, squeaky clean. Selmayr's appointment was neither.
Hopefully he will soon join Schultz on the scrapheap of federalist failures.
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"I don’t think many people claim the Eu is perfect or anywhere close. The silver lining to this story is it was caught, reviewed and dealt with, in a seemingly professional way. There’s plenty of things closer to hand I’d like to have gone through the same process.
In what way has it been 'dealt with?' Has Selmayr lost his job as a result of the findings? Has Juncker? No.
Seems to me the EU ombudsman is just there to pay lip service, and nothing will actually happen as a result of the findings. "
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"I don’t think many people claim the Eu is perfect or anywhere close. The silver lining to this story is it was caught, reviewed and dealt with, in a seemingly professional way. There’s plenty of things closer to hand I’d like to have gone through the same process.
In what way has it been 'dealt with?' Has Selmayr lost his job as a result of the findings? Has Juncker? No.
Seems to me the EU ombudsman is just there to pay lip service, and nothing will actually happen as a result of the findings. "
I think this goes a bit deeper than just Juncker breaking the rules.
We've already seen a softening of the hard line coming from Paris and Berlin in the last few days, so this could be another part of it. Get rid of (or at least muzzle) the attack dog and get proper negotiations going again.
As I predicted nearly 2 years ago, calmer business heads will take control before Britain is allowed to crash out with a no deal.
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"I don’t think many people claim the Eu is perfect or anywhere close. The silver lining to this story is it was caught, reviewed and dealt with, in a seemingly professional way. There’s plenty of things closer to hand I’d like to have gone through the same process.
In what way has it been 'dealt with?' Has Selmayr lost his job as a result of the findings? Has Juncker? No.
Seems to me the EU ombudsman is just there to pay lip service, and nothing will actually happen as a result of the findings.
I think this goes a bit deeper than just Juncker breaking the rules.
We've already seen a softening of the hard line coming from Paris and Berlin in the last few days, so this could be another part of it. Get rid of (or at least muzzle) the attack dog and get proper negotiations going again.
As I predicted nearly 2 years ago, calmer business heads will take control before Britain is allowed to crash out with a no deal.
Remember you heard it here first. "
It's the withdrawal agreement which is the problem - not the trade deal! A trade deal was always on the cards - but only if the withdrawal agreement is secured. Also, the trade deal detail is yet to be decided - once that has been done, then and only then will it be clear if it's better or worse than the current deal. |
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"Also, the trade deal detail is yet to be decided - once that has been done, then and only then will it be clear if it's better or worse than the current deal. "
That is total fantasy.
From day 1 we have been told that any post brexit deal will be worse than what we have now. None outside the club can have a better or the same deal as those in the club. Refusing to accept this is lunacy, the best we can hope for is that if we accept every EU dictate we can have the same deal as being in the EU for most things but not get a say in making the rules. The sooner we admit this to ourselves the better, as it is all this 'we can do better' and 'nothing is decided' crap is damaging us. |
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"I don’t think many people claim the Eu is perfect or anywhere close. The silver lining to this story is it was caught, reviewed and dealt with, in a seemingly professional way. There’s plenty of things closer to hand I’d like to have gone through the same process.
In what way has it been 'dealt with?' Has Selmayr lost his job as a result of the findings? Has Juncker? No.
Seems to me the EU ombudsman is just there to pay lip service, and nothing will actually happen as a result of the findings.
I think this goes a bit deeper than just Juncker breaking the rules.
We've already seen a softening of the hard line coming from Paris and Berlin in the last few days, so this could be another part of it. Get rid of (or at least muzzle) the attack dog and get proper negotiations going again.
As I predicted nearly 2 years ago, calmer business heads will take control before Britain is allowed to crash out with a no deal.
Remember you heard it here first.
It's the withdrawal agreement which is the problem - not the trade deal! A trade deal was always on the cards - but only if the withdrawal agreement is secured. Also, the trade deal detail is yet to be decided - once that has been done, then and only then will it be clear if it's better or worse than the current deal. "
We can clear that one up now. Worse. Why on earth would the EU agree to a better trade deal with us than we have as a memeber. That would be insanity. Oh and we also lose our seat at the decision making table. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"The corruption in the EU has now got so bad even it's own Ombudsman condemns it. The EU Ombudsman has found the EU Commission guilty of 4 counts of maladministration.
This came as evidence became clear eurocrats brazenly broke EU rules to parachute German Martin Selmayr in as Secretary General in February.
The EU Ombudsman said that "EU officials did not follow proper procedure in letter or spirit" when appointing Selmayr. The ombudsman ruled EU officials created an artificial sense of urgency to install Selmayr first as deputy and then to immediately promote him onto the top job as Secretary General. The EU Ombudsman also found that the job was never advertised and Selmayr was the only candidate.
Shocking that the EU can behave in this way, so brash and arrogant now that the top brass don't even try to hide their corruption, they flaunt it in EU citizens faces. Will Selmayr lose his job? I wouldn't hold your breath, he is the chosen one amongst his cronies Juncker and Tusk.
The sooner we leave this vile cesspit the better. "
Erm.... you do know that the UK government does get criticised by the OBR for a lot of the same things don’t you....
Or is it just a case of bad UK practices being called out by UK organisations that apparently gives you the raging horn and that’s okay  |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"The corruption in the EU has now got so bad even it's own Ombudsman condemns it. The EU Ombudsman has found the EU Commission guilty of 4 counts of maladministration.
This came as evidence became clear eurocrats brazenly broke EU rules to parachute German Martin Selmayr in as Secretary General in February.
The EU Ombudsman said that "EU officials did not follow proper procedure in letter or spirit" when appointing Selmayr. The ombudsman ruled EU officials created an artificial sense of urgency to install Selmayr first as deputy and then to immediately promote him onto the top job as Secretary General. The EU Ombudsman also found that the job was never advertised and Selmayr was the only candidate.
Shocking that the EU can behave in this way, so brash and arrogant now that the top brass don't even try to hide their corruption, they flaunt it in EU citizens faces. Will Selmayr lose his job? I wouldn't hold your breath, he is the chosen one amongst his cronies Juncker and Tusk.
The sooner we leave this vile cesspit the better.
Just read the Sun version written in upper case with exclamation marks and written in crayon?
Yes, Junker is not the cleanest of politicians by a country mile. He is as dodgy as hell. Like BoJo, and Rees-Mogg. As is Selmayer.
However, if the corruption is so embedded how come it was reported by an EU Agency?
It could yet lead to Juncker also getting into trouble.
Will anything happen as a consequence? I don't know but the European Parliament has been in some uproar about it for some time. It's not new news. It's a long developing story. Did you not know?
Duck houses.
Sexual assaults in the House of Commons.
We have our own problems too.
Are we going to leave that "vile cesspit" too or do something about it?
If at first you don't succeed, deflect, deflect and deflect again....seems like a common occurrence with you.
And your claim that it could yet lead to Juncker getting into trouble is the biggest laugh I've had on here today. Like I said, won't be holding my breath.
I have only made one attempt.
I don't use your playbook.
The EU is no more corrupt than we are.
Was the Speaker of the House of Commons removed after the bullying allegations?"
Deflect deflect deflect!
Whatabout, whatabout, whatabout!
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"The corruption in the EU has now got so bad even it's own Ombudsman condemns it. The EU Ombudsman has found the EU Commission guilty of 4 counts of maladministration.
This came as evidence became clear eurocrats brazenly broke EU rules to parachute German Martin Selmayr in as Secretary General in February.
The EU Ombudsman said that "EU officials did not follow proper procedure in letter or spirit" when appointing Selmayr. The ombudsman ruled EU officials created an artificial sense of urgency to install Selmayr first as deputy and then to immediately promote him onto the top job as Secretary General. The EU Ombudsman also found that the job was never advertised and Selmayr was the only candidate.
Shocking that the EU can behave in this way, so brash and arrogant now that the top brass don't even try to hide their corruption, they flaunt it in EU citizens faces. Will Selmayr lose his job? I wouldn't hold your breath, he is the chosen one amongst his cronies Juncker and Tusk.
The sooner we leave this vile cesspit the better.
Just read the Sun version written in upper case with exclamation marks and written in crayon?
Yes, Junker is not the cleanest of politicians by a country mile. He is as dodgy as hell. Like BoJo, and Rees-Mogg. As is Selmayer.
However, if the corruption is so embedded how come it was reported by an EU Agency?
It could yet lead to Juncker also getting into trouble.
Will anything happen as a consequence? I don't know but the European Parliament has been in some uproar about it for some time. It's not new news. It's a long developing story. Did you not know?
Duck houses.
Sexual assaults in the House of Commons.
We have our own problems too.
Are we going to leave that "vile cesspit" too or do something about it?At least with our own "cesspit" we can vote them out not so with EU commissioners.
Can we vote out our civil servants?"
not quiet the same the civil sevice have a minister in charge of thier departments who are accountable and often get get replaced and are also elected. |
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"The corruption in the EU has now got so bad even it's own Ombudsman condemns it. The EU Ombudsman has found the EU Commission guilty of 4 counts of maladministration.
This came as evidence became clear eurocrats brazenly broke EU rules to parachute German Martin Selmayr in as Secretary General in February.
The EU Ombudsman said that "EU officials did not follow proper procedure in letter or spirit" when appointing Selmayr. The ombudsman ruled EU officials created an artificial sense of urgency to install Selmayr first as deputy and then to immediately promote him onto the top job as Secretary General. The EU Ombudsman also found that the job was never advertised and Selmayr was the only candidate.
Shocking that the EU can behave in this way, so brash and arrogant now that the top brass don't even try to hide their corruption, they flaunt it in EU citizens faces. Will Selmayr lose his job? I wouldn't hold your breath, he is the chosen one amongst his cronies Juncker and Tusk.
The sooner we leave this vile cesspit the better.
Just read the Sun version written in upper case with exclamation marks and written in crayon?
Yes, Junker is not the cleanest of politicians by a country mile. He is as dodgy as hell. Like BoJo, and Rees-Mogg. As is Selmayer.
However, if the corruption is so embedded how come it was reported by an EU Agency?
It could yet lead to Juncker also getting into trouble.
Will anything happen as a consequence? I don't know but the European Parliament has been in some uproar about it for some time. It's not new news. It's a long developing story. Did you not know?
Duck houses.
Sexual assaults in the House of Commons.
We have our own problems too.
Are we going to leave that "vile cesspit" too or do something about it?"
on another thread how to argue weren’t you going on about ppl deflecting ? Arnt you doing same there just saying |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
Derby |
"The corruption in the EU has now got so bad even it's own Ombudsman condemns it. The EU Ombudsman has found the EU Commission guilty of 4 counts of maladministration.
This came as evidence became clear eurocrats brazenly broke EU rules to parachute German Martin Selmayr in as Secretary General in February.
The EU Ombudsman said that "EU officials did not follow proper procedure in letter or spirit" when appointing Selmayr. The ombudsman ruled EU officials created an artificial sense of urgency to install Selmayr first as deputy and then to immediately promote him onto the top job as Secretary General. The EU Ombudsman also found that the job was never advertised and Selmayr was the only candidate.
Shocking that the EU can behave in this way, so brash and arrogant now that the top brass don't even try to hide their corruption, they flaunt it in EU citizens faces. Will Selmayr lose his job? I wouldn't hold your breath, he is the chosen one amongst his cronies Juncker and Tusk.
The sooner we leave this vile cesspit the better.
Just read the Sun version written in upper case with exclamation marks and written in crayon?
Yes, Junker is not the cleanest of politicians by a country mile. He is as dodgy as hell. Like BoJo, and Rees-Mogg. As is Selmayer.
However, if the corruption is so embedded how come it was reported by an EU Agency?
It could yet lead to Juncker also getting into trouble.
Will anything happen as a consequence? I don't know but the European Parliament has been in some uproar about it for some time. It's not new news. It's a long developing story. Did you not know?
Duck houses.
Sexual assaults in the House of Commons.
We have our own problems too.
Are we going to leave that "vile cesspit" too or do something about it? on another thread how to argue weren’t you going on about ppl deflecting ? Arnt you doing same there just saying "
Ha ha! I believe he also said on that thread...
"The irony is those who argue in this way are not self-aware enough to realise"
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
You chaps have got yourselves into a little frenzy haven't you? 
I could not have answered more directly. Then I drew a parallel to the UK. You really must just read what you want to Let me take you through it and you can tell me where you think otherwise:
"Yes, Junker is not the cleanest of politicians by a country mile. He is as dodgy as hell. Like BoJo, and Rees-Mogg. As is Selmayer."
This means that they are all dodgy and corrupt. Does anyone interpret this differently?
"However, if the corruption is so embedded how come it was reported by an EU Agency?"
Centaur has "uncovered" the fact that an EU agency has publicly criticised the most senior administrator in the EU. Does this investigation indicate that the Ombudsman's Office is not functioning in any way? Would it have been better to hide it?
"It could yet lead to Juncker also getting into trouble."
Is this untrue? People have long memories and he has mightily p***ed off a lot of people.
"Will anything happen as a consequence? I don't know but the European Parliament has been in some uproar about it for some time."
Is this stating anything other than I do not know the answer and that the European Parliament does not like it?
Have I indicated anywhere at all that this incident was in any way OK? Have I defended the EU at all except to say that the investigation did its job?
Centaur was getting irate, having read one of his angry publications, about poor behaviour in the EU and that he want's to leave such a terribly corrupt institution; "The corruption in the EU has now got so bad even it's own Ombudsman condemns it...The sooner we leave this vile cesspit the better."
I then drew parallels with corruption here. We do not hold ourselves to higher standards.
"Duck houses. Sexual assaults in the House of Commons. Was the Speaker of the House of Commons removed after the bullying allegations?"
Are these examples of corruption and criminality in the UK and a specific example of someone in a position of power remaining in post after a scandal?
If you want to try and mock me you are welcome to, but do it when I have actually done something worthy of it.
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"The corruption in the EU has now got so bad even it's own Ombudsman condemns it. The EU Ombudsman has found the EU Commission guilty of 4 counts of maladministration.
This came as evidence became clear eurocrats brazenly broke EU rules to parachute German Martin Selmayr in as Secretary General in February.
The EU Ombudsman said that "EU officials did not follow proper procedure in letter or spirit" when appointing Selmayr. The ombudsman ruled EU officials created an artificial sense of urgency to install Selmayr first as deputy and then to immediately promote him onto the top job as Secretary General. The EU Ombudsman also found that the job was never advertised and Selmayr was the only candidate.
Shocking that the EU can behave in this way, so brash and arrogant now that the top brass don't even try to hide their corruption, they flaunt it in EU citizens faces. Will Selmayr lose his job? I wouldn't hold your breath, he is the chosen one amongst his cronies Juncker and Tusk.
The sooner we leave this vile cesspit the better.
Just read the Sun version written in upper case with exclamation marks and written in crayon?
Yes, Junker is not the cleanest of politicians by a country mile. He is as dodgy as hell. Like BoJo, and Rees-Mogg. As is Selmayer.
However, if the corruption is so embedded how come it was reported by an EU Agency?
It could yet lead to Juncker also getting into trouble.
Will anything happen as a consequence? I don't know but the European Parliament has been in some uproar about it for some time. It's not new news. It's a long developing story. Did you not know?
Duck houses.
Sexual assaults in the House of Commons.
We have our own problems too.
Are we going to leave that "vile cesspit" too or do something about it?At least with our own "cesspit" we can vote them out not so with EU commissioners.
Can we vote out our civil servants?not quiet the same the civil sevice have a minister in charge of thier departments who are accountable and often get get replaced and are also elected. "
Ministers are not elected, they are appointed. A Peer can be a Minister. MPs are elected.
"The President of the European Union is elected for a renewable five-year term starting five months after the elections to the European Parliament. ... The President and his Commission may be removed from office by a vote of censure from Parliament." |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"The corruption in the EU has now got so bad even it's own Ombudsman condemns it. The EU Ombudsman has found the EU Commission guilty of 4 counts of maladministration.
This came as evidence became clear eurocrats brazenly broke EU rules to parachute German Martin Selmayr in as Secretary General in February.
The EU Ombudsman said that "EU officials did not follow proper procedure in letter or spirit" when appointing Selmayr. The ombudsman ruled EU officials created an artificial sense of urgency to install Selmayr first as deputy and then to immediately promote him onto the top job as Secretary General. The EU Ombudsman also found that the job was never advertised and Selmayr was the only candidate.
Shocking that the EU can behave in this way, so brash and arrogant now that the top brass don't even try to hide their corruption, they flaunt it in EU citizens faces. Will Selmayr lose his job? I wouldn't hold your breath, he is the chosen one amongst his cronies Juncker and Tusk.
The sooner we leave this vile cesspit the better. "
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"You chaps have got yourselves into a little frenzy haven't you?
I could not have answered more directly. Then I drew a parallel to the UK. You really must just read what you want to Let me take you through it and you can tell me where you think otherwise:
"Yes, Junker is not the cleanest of politicians by a country mile. He is as dodgy as hell. Like BoJo, and Rees-Mogg. As is Selmayer."
This means that they are all dodgy and corrupt. Does anyone interpret this differently?
"However, if the corruption is so embedded how come it was reported by an EU Agency?"
Centaur has "uncovered" the fact that an EU agency has publicly criticised the most senior administrator in the EU. Does this investigation indicate that the Ombudsman's Office is not functioning in any way? Would it have been better to hide it?
"It could yet lead to Juncker also getting into trouble."
Is this untrue? People have long memories and he has mightily p***ed off a lot of people.
"Will anything happen as a consequence? I don't know but the European Parliament has been in some uproar about it for some time."
Is this stating anything other than I do not know the answer and that the European Parliament does not like it?
Have I indicated anywhere at all that this incident was in any way OK? Have I defended the EU at all except to say that the investigation did its job?
Centaur was getting irate, having read one of his angry publications, about poor behaviour in the EU and that he want's to leave such a terribly corrupt institution; "The corruption in the EU has now got so bad even it's own Ombudsman condemns it...The sooner we leave this vile cesspit the better."
I then drew parallels with corruption here. We do not hold ourselves to higher standards.
"Duck houses. Sexual assaults in the House of Commons. Was the Speaker of the House of Commons removed after the bullying allegations?"
Are these examples of corruption and criminality in the UK and a specific example of someone in a position of power remaining in post after a scandal?
If you want to try and mock me you are welcome to, but do it when I have actually done something worthy of it.
Silly boys "
No. That just doesn't wash at all. Instead of looking at the corruption in the EU, you're just deflecting by saying what about our own Parliament. Your attempting to shift the focus elsewhere, anywhere but the EU. Don't point a spotlight on the EU, squirm and wriggle like a maggot until you can shine the spotlight somewhere else.
You have form for it, as you've also done it on the 'Labour MP resigns' thread.....don't look at what Labour or Corbyn are doing, what about Ukip, or the Tories. Its also made your 'How to argue' thread look farcical.
In any case, if as you say we have corruption in our own Parliament to deal with, why on earth would you want to add to it by having to deal with additional corruption in the EU as well???
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"You chaps have got yourselves into a little frenzy haven't you?
I could not have answered more directly. Then I drew a parallel to the UK. You really must just read what you want to Let me take you through it and you can tell me where you think otherwise:
"Yes, Junker is not the cleanest of politicians by a country mile. He is as dodgy as hell. Like BoJo, and Rees-Mogg. As is Selmayer."
This means that they are all dodgy and corrupt. Does anyone interpret this differently?
"However, if the corruption is so embedded how come it was reported by an EU Agency?"
Centaur has "uncovered" the fact that an EU agency has publicly criticised the most senior administrator in the EU. Does this investigation indicate that the Ombudsman's Office is not functioning in any way? Would it have been better to hide it?
"It could yet lead to Juncker also getting into trouble."
Is this untrue? People have long memories and he has mightily p***ed off a lot of people.
"Will anything happen as a consequence? I don't know but the European Parliament has been in some uproar about it for some time."
Is this stating anything other than I do not know the answer and that the European Parliament does not like it?
Have I indicated anywhere at all that this incident was in any way OK? Have I defended the EU at all except to say that the investigation did its job?
Centaur was getting irate, having read one of his angry publications, about poor behaviour in the EU and that he want's to leave such a terribly corrupt institution; "The corruption in the EU has now got so bad even it's own Ombudsman condemns it...The sooner we leave this vile cesspit the better."
I then drew parallels with corruption here. We do not hold ourselves to higher standards.
"Duck houses. Sexual assaults in the House of Commons. Was the Speaker of the House of Commons removed after the bullying allegations?"
Are these examples of corruption and criminality in the UK and a specific example of someone in a position of power remaining in post after a scandal?
If you want to try and mock me you are welcome to, but do it when I have actually done something worthy of it.
Silly boys
No. That just doesn't wash at all. Instead of looking at the corruption in the EU, you're just deflecting by saying what about our own Parliament. Your attempting to shift the focus elsewhere, anywhere but the EU. Don't point a spotlight on the EU, squirm and wriggle like a maggot until you can shine the spotlight somewhere else.
You have form for it, as you've also done it on the 'Labour MP resigns' thread.....don't look at what Labour or Corbyn are doing, what about Ukip, or the Tories. Its also made your 'How to argue' thread look farcical.
In any case, if as you say we have corruption in our own Parliament to deal with, why on earth would you want to add to it by having to deal with additional corruption in the EU as well???
Better to leave the EU, and get our own house in order then i'd stay. "
Now who's in denial? Even when it's laid out for you point by point. Still claiming the exact opposite of what I've written.
You are so determined to "win" that you don't even see when I'm agreeing with you. I did not defend Corbyn nor Junker. I did draw your attention to both the UK and UKIPs similar issues which make them perfectly pertinent when you are using identical arguments.
Drawing a parallel is a way to try and draw your attention to the fact that the things that you rant about are present here. It's supposed to make you think.
That is debate. Not what you do which is mindlessly post any random angry article the context of which you don't even grasp.
You are proving out the "How to argue thread" admirably.
Pretending that the EU is somehow evil and leaving it will fix everything is transparently nonsense as you continually demonstrate.
The EU gives us a continental level of economic and political leverage that is worth fighting corruption and the horse-trading of any political organisation. |
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Let's see if they screw Italy over like they did Greece in the coming financial shitstorm. How many rules the EU commission and the ECB break before we really see just how corrupt an entity it is |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"Let's see if they screw Italy over like they did Greece in the coming financial shitstorm. How many rules the EU commission and the ECB break before we really see just how corrupt an entity it is "
Exactly....depending on what Italy submit, and how the EU react to it, the Euro could be in one hell of a lot of trouble. Now that would be a 'clusterfuck'. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"Let's see if they screw Italy over like they did Greece in the coming financial shitstorm. How many rules the EU commission and the ECB break before we really see just how corrupt an entity it is "
What does that mean? This sounds very much the standard anti-EU rant.
A member state with full financial freedom massively overspends. It also mis-allocates EU investment with much siphoned off in corruption.
The consequences catch up.
The EU has to bail them out but n return they have to limit their spending.
Somehow this is the fault of the EU.
Your alt-truth is? |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"Let's see if they screw Italy over like they did Greece in the coming financial shitstorm. How many rules the EU commission and the ECB break before we really see just how corrupt an entity it is
What does that mean? This sounds very much the standard anti-EU rant.
A member state with full financial freedom massively overspends. It also mis-allocates EU investment with much siphoned off in corruption.
The consequences catch up.
The EU has to bail them out but n return they have to limit their spending.
Somehow this is the fault of the EU.
Your alt-truth is?"
Does the EU not have any rules on Eurozone members' expenditure then?
Why do they have to submit their spending budgets to the EU in September if they have 'full financial freedom'? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"Let's see if they screw Italy over like they did Greece in the coming financial shitstorm. How many rules the EU commission and the ECB break before we really see just how corrupt an entity it is
What does that mean? This sounds very much the standard anti-EU rant.
A member state with full financial freedom massively overspends. It also mis-allocates EU investment with much siphoned off in corruption.
The consequences catch up.
The EU has to bail them out but n return they have to limit their spending.
Somehow this is the fault of the EU.
Your alt-truth is?
Does the EU not have any rules on Eurozone members' expenditure then?
Why do they have to submit their spending budgets to the EU in September if they have 'full financial freedom'? "
How does submitting budgets stop countries from doing anything that they want to do?
They are not being submitted for approval. They are being submitted for financial monitoring. How else do you know what's happening?
Italy, specifically, chose itself to join the Euro and therefore chose, of its own accord, to follow certain financial rules.
True or false? |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"Let's see if they screw Italy over like they did Greece in the coming financial shitstorm. How many rules the EU commission and the ECB break before we really see just how corrupt an entity it is
What does that mean? This sounds very much the standard anti-EU rant.
A member state with full financial freedom massively overspends. It also mis-allocates EU investment with much siphoned off in corruption.
The consequences catch up.
The EU has to bail them out but n return they have to limit their spending.
Somehow this is the fault of the EU.
Your alt-truth is?
Does the EU not have any rules on Eurozone members' expenditure then?
Why do they have to submit their spending budgets to the EU in September if they have 'full financial freedom'?
How does submitting budgets stop countries from doing anything that they want to do?
They are not being submitted for approval. They are being submitted for financial monitoring. How else do you know what's happening?
Italy, specifically, chose itself to join the Euro and therefore chose, of its own accord, to follow certain financial rules.
True or false?"
So they don't have any rules that they have to follow, but they do have rules that they have to follow? |
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