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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Car sales jumped by 23.1 % last month. 94094 vehicles sold .

Sorry to disappoint all the merchants of doom and gloom on here . And for good measure the FTSE is close to an all time high. Great news for those saving for retirement or pensioners dependent on dividend income .

In addition after Brexit we will save a further 5.1 billion with the removal of red tape .

Project Fear looks laughable now .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Sales are down 4.2pc for the year despite this august boom. Suggestion is the boom is from sale prices due to off loading older models in advance of septembers new emission regs.

I’m not sure car dealers will be cheering quite yet.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And point of pedantry, high FTSE is not good if you’re saving. Buy low, sell high.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And point of pedantry, high FTSE is not good if you’re saving. Buy low, sell high.

That’s not how Brexit works! Don’t analyse anything. Just grab any vaguely positive sounding news reported in the Daily Express, believe it 100% without question or thought and attribute it to regaining sovereignty.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Car sales jumped by 23.1 % last month. 94094 vehicles sold .

In addition after Brexit we will save a further 5.1 billion with the removal of red tape .

Project Fear looks laughable now . "

Fake news

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Car sales jumped by 23.1 % last month. 94094 vehicles sold .

In addition after Brexit we will save a further 5.1 billion with the removal of red tape .

Project Fear looks laughable now . "

Pound Sterling also shot up in value today against the US dollar and the Euro.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Car sales jumped by 23.1 % last month. 94094 vehicles sold .

In addition after Brexit we will save a further 5.1 billion with the removal of red tape .

Project Fear looks laughable now .

Pound Sterling also shot up in value today against the US dollar and the Euro.

From 1.11e to 1.11e.

LBC just talked about the gain. The fact it “lost” some of its gain later was almost an aside. And the fact it gained after a fall so all in it’s been flat was also ignored. There are lies, dammed lies, and headlines.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Car sales jumped by 23.1 % last month. 94094 vehicles sold .

In addition after Brexit we will save a further 5.1 billion with the removal of red tape .

Project Fear looks laughable now .

Pound Sterling also shot up in value today against the US dollar and the Euro.

From 1.11e to 1.11e.

Shush don't spoil their fake news party.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

How many of the cars were made in Britain, and how much of the cash generated flows intothe pockets of shareholders overseas?

That would give a more meaningful insight of industrial growth than simple rejoicing at growing consumerism.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

To be fair, it's not just newspapers that are at it. The BBC news let an MP prattle on all the money the UK will be putting into this and that instead of EU and it went completely unchallenged. A shocking piece of bias from the national broadcaster

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"How many of the cars were made in Britain, and how much of the cash generated flows intothe pockets of shareholders overseas?

That would give a more meaningful insight of industrial growth than simple rejoicing at growing consumerism."

If UK consumers were really concerned about the long term economic prospects of the UK economy they wouldn't be splashing out on high value ticket items like cars. It seems the only ones who are fretting about it are rabid remoaners.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How many of the cars were made in Britain, and how much of the cash generated flows intothe pockets of shareholders overseas?

That would give a more meaningful insight of industrial growth than simple rejoicing at growing consumerism.

Do you genuinely believe all the things you say on here? Or are you just saying this stuff for a laugh/troll?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Households are now spending more than they bring in for the first time since 1988. A lot of people could be in trouble if this confidence is miss placed ... especially if we get a housing correction some want ...

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

How much of new sales in the car sector is actually sales or is actually people leasing them is another thing..

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"Car sales jumped by 23.1 % last month. 94094 vehicles sold .

In addition after Brexit we will save a further 5.1 billion with the removal of red tape .

Project Fear looks laughable now . "

Some 94,094 new vehicles were registered in the UK in August, says the SMMT

Rise was inflated by dealers shifting cars that fail to meet new emissions rules

All models sold with the 68 plate must adhere to new WLTP standards

Those that couldn't adhere to these limits were offered with huge discounts in August

Do you understand what drives share prices?

The FTSE 100 is dominated by global companies that earn their money in foreign currency so profits have "increased" due to the currency change and the strength of non-UK markets. QE and profits have also been used to buy back shares and artificially inflate share prices.

Happy to find out where you have information that indicates otherwise.

Do you think that Bull markets never end?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Car sales jumped by 23.1 % last month. 94094 vehicles sold .

In addition after Brexit we will save a further 5.1 billion with the removal of red tape .

Project Fear looks laughable now .

Some 94,094 new vehicles were registered in the UK in August, says the SMMT

Rise was inflated by dealers shifting cars that fail to meet new emissions rules

All models sold with the 68 plate must adhere to new WLTP standards

Those that couldn't adhere to these limits were offered with huge discounts in August

Do you understand what drives share prices?

Happy to find out where you have information that indicates otherwise.

Do you think that Bull markets never end?"
Hi. Personally I do not need to understand anything . My preference in life is to do things and reap the rewards . It is quite possible so spend so much time trying to understand things that you get nothing done .

Some of the best decisions I have made in life were done on the spur of the moment.

I do not need to know how my computer works . It just needs to work when it is switched on . The same scenario applies to driving my car

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Not sure I understand how your analogy applies to your OP but lets play.

My car is moving. This good news

(But this is because we’ve added some petrol. And you’re facing down hill.)

I don’t need to know how my car works. I just need to know it moves.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"How many of the cars were made in Britain, and how much of the cash generated flows intothe pockets of shareholders overseas?

That would give a more meaningful insight of industrial growth than simple rejoicing at growing consumerism.

Do you genuinely believe all the things you say on here? Or are you just saying this stuff for a laugh/troll?"
It can hardly be considered to be trolling if someone is pointing out the number of new cars sold and people's confidence in the future of the UK.

8 out of 11 formula 1 racing teams are based in the UK because of out engineering excellence .

And just to further reinforce people's confidence in the UK we have record low levels of unemployment and the FTSE at an all time high.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"Car sales jumped by 23.1 % last month. 94094 vehicles sold .

In addition after Brexit we will save a further 5.1 billion with the removal of red tape .

Project Fear looks laughable now .

Some 94,094 new vehicles were registered in the UK in August, says the SMMT

Rise was inflated by dealers shifting cars that fail to meet new emissions rules

All models sold with the 68 plate must adhere to new WLTP standards

Those that couldn't adhere to these limits were offered with huge discounts in August

Do you understand what drives share prices?

Happy to find out where you have information that indicates otherwise.

Do you think that Bull markets never end? Hi. Personally I do not need to understand anything . My preference in life is to do things and reap the rewards . It is quite possible so spend so much time trying to understand things that you get nothing done .

Some of the best decisions I have made in life were done on the spur of the moment.

I do not need to know how my computer works . It just needs to work when it is switched on . The same scenario applies to driving my car "

I think it best not to run a country on that basis don't you?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Car sales jumped by 23.1 % last month. 94094 vehicles sold .

In addition after Brexit we will save a further 5.1 billion with the removal of red tape .

Project Fear looks laughable now .

Some 94,094 new vehicles were registered in the UK in August, says the SMMT

Rise was inflated by dealers shifting cars that fail to meet new emissions rules

All models sold with the 68 plate must adhere to new WLTP standards

Those that couldn't adhere to these limits were offered with huge discounts in August

Do you understand what drives share prices?

Happy to find out where you have information that indicates otherwise.

Some of the best decisions I have made in life were done on the spur of the moment.

I do not need to know how my computer works . It just needs to work when it is switched on . The same scenario applies to driving my car

I think it best not to run a country on that basis don't you?"
I cannot see any reason as to why not. Any leader needs to be able delegate tasks. What matters to me is someone's track history . I judge people on what they achieve, not what they understand.

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By *bandjam91Couple over a year ago

London

"How many of the cars were made in Britain, and how much of the cash generated flows intothe pockets of shareholders overseas?

That would give a more meaningful insight of industrial growth than simple rejoicing at growing consumerism.

Do you genuinely believe all the things you say on here? Or are you just saying this stuff for a laugh/troll? It can hardly be considered to be trolling if someone is pointing out the number of new cars sold and people's confidence in the future of the UK.

8 out of 11 formula 1 racing teams are based in the UK because of out engineering excellence .

And just to further reinforce people's confidence in the UK we have record low levels of unemployment and the FTSE at an all time high. "

Yes pumpkin, now it's time for your nap.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"Car sales jumped by 23.1 % last month. 94094 vehicles sold .

In addition after Brexit we will save a further 5.1 billion with the removal of red tape .

Project Fear looks laughable now .

Some 94,094 new vehicles were registered in the UK in August, says the SMMT

Rise was inflated by dealers shifting cars that fail to meet new emissions rules

All models sold with the 68 plate must adhere to new WLTP standards

Those that couldn't adhere to these limits were offered with huge discounts in August

Do you understand what drives share prices?

Happy to find out where you have information that indicates otherwise.

Some of the best decisions I have made in life were done on the spur of the moment.

I do not need to know how my computer works . It just needs to work when it is switched on . The same scenario applies to driving my car

I think it best not to run a country on that basis don't you? I cannot see any reason as to why not. Any leader needs to be able delegate tasks. What matters to me is someone's track history . I judge people on what they achieve, not what they understand. "

So how do you know the consequences of any decisions that you make?

How do you know how to react to circumstances?

This is genuinely interesting because you are saying that the best decisions are made in complete ignorance.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Car sales jumped by 23.1 % last month. 94094 vehicles sold .

In addition after Brexit we will save a further 5.1 billion with the removal of red tape .

Project Fear looks laughable now .

Pound Sterling also shot up in value today against the US dollar and the Euro.

Now you are joking! Stop reading the Express "pound soars" - so I get excited and think about transferring some sterling at a good rate. The FX rate is £1= €1.10995 it's gone up €0.00340!!

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"Car sales jumped by 23.1 % last month. 94094 vehicles sold .

In addition after Brexit we will save a further 5.1 billion with the removal of red tape .

Project Fear looks laughable now . "

Save £5.1bn from which red tape? Give me the top 5 at least. Centaur couldn't come up with anything when he claimed this. Why don't you give a go?

Perhaps you don't need to know. You just believe what your told by an unnamed individual?

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"Car sales jumped by 23.1 % last month. 94094 vehicles sold .

In addition after Brexit we will save a further 5.1 billion with the removal of red tape .

Project Fear looks laughable now .

Pound Sterling also shot up in value today against the US dollar and the Euro.

How many threads can you write the same nonsense in?

You are a bot

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Car sales jumped by 23.1 % last month. 94094 vehicles sold .

In addition after Brexit we will save a further 5.1 billion with the removal of red tape .

Project Fear looks laughable now .

Some 94,094 new vehicles were registered in the UK in August, says the SMMT

Rise was inflated by dealers shifting cars that fail to meet new emissions rules

All models sold with the 68 plate must adhere to new WLTP standards

Those that couldn't adhere to these limits were offered with huge discounts in August

Do you understand what drives share prices?

Happy to find out where you have information that indicates otherwise.

Some of the best decisions I have made in life were done on the spur of the moment.

I do not need to know how my computer works . It just needs to work when it is switched on . The same scenario applies to driving my car

If you do this, you need to make sure you choose the right measure of achievement to judge success against. As already covered a single month of units sold isn’t great ... especially when year to date it’s down ... and the spike was due to having to sell old stock at reduced prices ...

I don’t know much about f1 but I’d need o know the nationalities of the engineers before making claims about the uks prowess. Two of the biggest football teams are based in Manchester. I’d be reluctant to say this means Mancunians are world class footballers.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Car sales jumped by 23.1 % last month. 94094 vehicles sold .

In addition after Brexit we will save a further 5.1 billion with the removal of red tape .

Project Fear looks laughable now .

Save £5.1bn from which red tape? Give me the top 5 at least. Centaur couldn't come up with anything when he claimed this. Why don't you give a go?

Perhaps you don't need to know. You just believe what your told by an unnamed individual?"

I didn't claim this, it is the EU's own findings on Brexit that has claimed this. I just quoted what the EU found. The EU's own papers say if the UK scrapped just 7 EU regulations then UK businesses could save billions after Brexit.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Strictly speaking someone (I forget who) claimed it was in an internal Eu document. However they (as far as I know) gave no more details than this, and there has been (again as far as I know) no corroboration from anyone else who has seen this document.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Car sales jumped by 23.1 % last month. 94094 vehicles sold .

In addition after Brexit we will save a further 5.1 billion with the removal of red tape .

Project Fear looks laughable now .

Save £5.1bn from which red tape? Give me the top 5 at least. Centaur couldn't come up with anything when he claimed this. Why don't you give a go?

Perhaps you don't need to know. You just believe what your told by an unnamed individual?

So now suddenly you listen to the EU? On this statement alone?!? You’re an extremely bizarre human.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

In a parallel universe the Op travelled several times to observe and assess his broker's performance in house, has asked on here for advice on pest control, white goods renewal and got wrongly defrauded via here by a scam..

Oh yes and used to go on and on and on about data and seeking advice before making certain decisions..

But now they fly by the seat of their pants on gut instinct..

Truly it's a bizarre thing although a tad entertaining..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" Hi. Personally I do not need to understand anything ."

This pretty much sums up 99% of leavers. As we can see by the leave voters who post here there is a gross misunderstanding and lack of knowledge around the EU.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Strictly speaking someone (I forget who) claimed it was in an internal Eu document. However they (as far as I know) gave no more details than this, and there has been (again as far as I know) no corroboration from anyone else who has seen this document. "

And yet the Trump hating remoaners jump all over 'anonymous stories' coming out of the White House as if they were proven fact.

Why are people like you so ready and willing to accept an anonymous source from within the White House, and on a similar level you denounce an anonymous source coming from within the EU as nonsense????

Or is Trump bad, EU good all you want to hear?

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

" Hi. Personally I do not need to understand anything .

This pretty much sums up 99% of leavers. As we can see by the leave voters who post here there is a gross misunderstanding and lack of knowledge around the EU.

"
99% is this your own poll then lol

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

And yet the Trump hating remoaners jump all over 'anonymous stories' coming out of the White House as if they were proven fact.

Or is Trump bad, EU good all you want to hear? "

Bob Woodward's book was on the record and all the conversations are recorded.

I'll go with that one.

The anonymous source, not so much. It is at least specific and context is given.

Your "information" doesn't tell us anything useful. If one of the EU regulations is the Basel III requirement for banks to increase capital then that would be billions on its own. Except that it's an international requirement that has been enacted through EU law.

It might be something else but you have absolutely no clue what do you?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" Hi. Personally I do not need to understand anything .

This pretty much sums up 99% of leavers. As we can see by the leave voters who post here there is a gross misunderstanding and lack of knowledge around the EU.

99% is this your own poll then lol"

Just read the absolutely rhubarb the leavers post on here. It’s so silly it’s all beyond ridicule .

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

" Hi. Personally I do not need to understand anything .

This pretty much sums up 99% of leavers. As we can see by the leave voters who post here there is a gross misunderstanding and lack of knowledge around the EU.

"
My guess is that those who voted to leave are more open minded and forward looking that those who voted to remain.

A few little tweaks to duty rates will make no difference to anyone . In any event duties simply cancel out at a global level.

Anyone with common sense wants value for money. Those supporting the EU were unable to put forward any convincing argument that this is the case.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" Hi. Personally I do not need to understand anything .

This pretty much sums up 99% of leavers. As we can see by the leave voters who post here there is a gross misunderstanding and lack of knowledge around the EU.

My guess is that those who voted to leave are more open minded and forward looking that those who voted to remain.

A few little tweaks to duty rates will make no difference to anyone . In any event duties simply cancel out at a global level.

Anyone with common sense wants value for money. Those supporting the EU were unable to put forward any convincing argument that this is the case. "

Oh boy are you in for a big surprise haha

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

"And point of pedantry, high FTSE is not good if you’re saving. Buy low, sell high.

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

"How many of the cars were made in Britain, and how much of the cash generated flows intothe pockets of shareholders overseas?

That would give a more meaningful insight of industrial growth than simple rejoicing at growing consumerism.

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By *oi_LucyCouple over a year ago

Barbados

" Hi. Personally I do not need to understand anything .

This pretty much sums up 99% of leavers. As we can see by the leave voters who post here there is a gross misunderstanding and lack of knowledge around the EU.

My guess is that those who voted to leave are more open minded and forward looking that those who voted to remain.

A few little tweaks to duty rates will make no difference to anyone . In any event duties simply cancel out at a global level.

Anyone with common sense wants value for money. Those supporting the EU were unable to put forward any convincing argument that this is the case. "

Pat, you really do amaze me. How can you claim that those who voted to leave are more open minded in one sentence, then in the sentence directly after it say 'duties simply cancel out on a global level' despite this having been explained to you numerous times that it doesn't? You are just demonstrating the exact opposite thing you are trying to claim!

I can't speak for all leavers (or all remainers) but I can see right in front of me a someone who takes a position and belligerently sticks to it regardless of how many times it is explained to them that they are plain wrong. It is not even as though this is a subjective point. Its not even that someone is trying to claim one state of affairs would be 'better' or 'worse' than the other. It is just simple mathematics.

-Matt

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And yet the Trump hating remoaners jump all over 'anonymous stories' coming out of the White House as if they were proven fact.

Or is Trump bad, EU good all you want to hear? "

Strawman. I’m suspicious of all unsubstantiated claims and look to go to source to understand context and reduce the chance of only seeing part if a story. I will admit there are times I don’t always live up to this standard and will happily hold my hands up if called out.

Presumably by jumping on the eu story as fact, you follow suit with the trump story ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Who cares, once Italy defaults later this year it's all downhill to the shitstorm of the millennium

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

" Hi. Personally I do not need to understand anything .

This pretty much sums up 99% of leavers. As we can see by the leave voters who post here there is a gross misunderstanding and lack of knowledge around the EU.

My guess is that those who voted to leave are more open minded and forward looking that those who voted to remain.

A few little tweaks to duty rates will make no difference to anyone . In any event duties simply cancel out at a global level.

Anyone with common sense wants value for money. Those supporting the EU were unable to put forward any convincing argument that this is the case.

-Matt"
How could duties not can do at a global level ?

If the UK pays £2 duty to France and France receives the £2 the net value of the transaction at world level is nil.

Maybe your reasoning needs reviewing? . A fee tweaks to duties will make no difference to the UK.

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By *inkywife1981Couple over a year ago

A town near you

"Car sales jumped by 23.1 % last month. 94094 vehicles sold .

In addition after Brexit we will save a further 5.1 billion with the removal of red tape .

Project Fear looks laughable now .

Pound Sterling also shot up in value today against the US dollar and the Euro.

From 1.11e to 1.11e.

I'm 38. My whole life the pound has gone up and down in value against the dollar/now euro. Why now is this a yard stick to measure the effects of brexit?

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By *oi_LucyCouple over a year ago

Barbados

" Hi. Personally I do not need to understand anything .

This pretty much sums up 99% of leavers. As we can see by the leave voters who post here there is a gross misunderstanding and lack of knowledge around the EU.

My guess is that those who voted to leave are more open minded and forward looking that those who voted to remain.

A few little tweaks to duty rates will make no difference to anyone . In any event duties simply cancel out at a global level.

Anyone with common sense wants value for money. Those supporting the EU were unable to put forward any convincing argument that this is the case.

-Matt How could duties not can do at a global level ?

If the UK pays £2 duty to France and France receives the £2 the net value of the transaction at world level is nil.

Maybe your reasoning needs reviewing? . A fee tweaks to duties will make no difference to the UK."

Because, as has been explained to you many many times, that it means that BOTH the consumer in the UK and the consumer in France end up paying a duty. Neither seller receives the duty (the governments do). The end result is the item or service being purchased is more expensive to the end buyer, and hence they are going to buy less of it, meaning the seller is going to sell less of it. Hence there will be less overall trade, and higher prices.

So in a very macroscopic sense it doesn't make a difference no, but at that level, nothing would make a difference as there would be no trade at all.

-Matt

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By *avidnsa69Man over a year ago

Essex

"Car sales jumped by 23.1 % last month. 94094 vehicles sold .

In addition after Brexit we will save a further 5.1 billion with the removal of red tape .

Project Fear looks laughable now .

Pound Sterling also shot up in value today against the US dollar and the Euro.

Shot up? Utter tosh. Pound rose 0.5% against Euro. Still lower than it was two weeks ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And point of pedantry, high FTSE is not good if you’re saving. Buy low, sell high.

You can’t just say the opposite of the truth as if it’s fact. That’s Centaurs exclusive right.

Leavers are constantly proven wrong time after time. The situation is explained and they are shown to be in the wrong.

Non-leavers make points, show information, data, sources, examples, principals about how things work.

Leavers, (at least the ones on here), use stock catchphrases such as“remoaner”, “libtard”, “take back control” which are entirely meaningless. Oh and insults, plenty of insults.

One leave even admitted to not understanding anything, but ploughed on with the arguing regardless.

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By *andS66Couple over a year ago

Derby

"And point of pedantry, high FTSE is not good if you’re saving. Buy low, sell high.

You can’t just say the opposite of the truth as if it’s fact. That’s Centaurs exclusive right.

Leavers are constantly proven wrong time after time. The situation is explained and they are shown to be in the wrong.

Non-leavers make points, show information, data, sources, examples, principals about how things work.

Leavers, (at least the ones on here), use stock catchphrases such as“remoaner”, “libtard”, “take back control” which are entirely meaningless. Oh and insults, plenty of insults.

One leave even admitted to not understanding anything, but ploughed on with the arguing regardless."

You mean the facts like;

Deep and profound recession

800,000 job losses

6% drop in GDP

18% drop in house prices

30 Billion Emergency Tax-Raising Budget

All within 2 years following a vote to leave

Those facts?

Or just grabbing any vaguely negative sounding news reported in the Guardian, believe it 100% without question or thought and attribute it to Brexit.

Or analysis by remainers ('non-leavers' in your terms) such as 'car sales have slumped because of Brexit, absolutely nothing to do with government policy on diesel'

Or stock catchphrases and insults such as Brextremist, Gammon, and Racist?

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"And point of pedantry, high FTSE is not good if you’re saving. Buy low, sell high.

You can’t just say the opposite of the truth as if it’s fact. That’s Centaurs exclusive right.

Leavers are constantly proven wrong time after time. The situation is explained and they are shown to be in the wrong.

Non-leavers make points, show information, data, sources, examples, principals about how things work.

Leavers, (at least the ones on here), use stock catchphrases such as“remoaner”, “libtard”, “take back control” which are entirely meaningless. Oh and insults, plenty of insults.

One leave even admitted to not understanding anything, but ploughed on with the arguing regardless.

You mean the facts like;

Deep and profound recession

800,000 job losses

6% drop in GDP

18% drop in house prices

30 Billion Emergency Tax-Raising Budget

All within 2 years following a vote to leave

Those facts?

Or just grabbing any vaguely negative sounding news reported in the Guardian, believe it 100% without question or thought and attribute it to Brexit.

Or analysis by remainers ('non-leavers' in your terms) such as 'car sales have slumped because of Brexit, absolutely nothing to do with government policy on diesel'

Or stock catchphrases and insults such as Brextremist, Gammon, and Racist?

£150bn spent on maintaining stability after the referendum vote.

Growth falling from the highest to the lowest in the GDP meaning less money to the country and individuals.

Increased inflation raising costs to individuals and companies.

Weaker currency increasing the cost of imports and all dollar based commodities.

Increased price of holidays.

You can deny this all you wish but they are objectively true.

A spike in the purchase of UK assets by foreigners but no investment in capital equipment to improve future productivity due to uncertainty.

Some exporters have increased sales but not production due to the cost of imported inputs rising and skills shortages.

The exaggerated claims by the Remain campaign were based on the Bank of England and government doing nothing which was nonsense and they shouldn't have said any such thing.

The claims of Brexit causing this or that economic indicator to change are posted just as frequently if not more so by Brexit supporters. Specifically the last statistic on car sales.

What positive aspects of the EU or negatives of Brexit have you ever identified?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And point of pedantry, high FTSE is not good if you’re saving. Buy low, sell high.

You can’t just say the opposite of the truth as if it’s fact. That’s Centaurs exclusive right.

Leavers are constantly proven wrong time after time. The situation is explained and they are shown to be in the wrong.

Non-leavers make points, show information, data, sources, examples, principals about how things work.

Leavers, (at least the ones on here), use stock catchphrases such as“remoaner”, “libtard”, “take back control” which are entirely meaningless. Oh and insults, plenty of insults.

One leave even admitted to not understanding anything, but ploughed on with the arguing regardless.

You mean the facts like;

Deep and profound recession

800,000 job losses

6% drop in GDP

18% drop in house prices

30 Billion Emergency Tax-Raising Budget

All within 2 years following a vote to leave

Those facts?

Or just grabbing any vaguely negative sounding news reported in the Guardian, believe it 100% without question or thought and attribute it to Brexit.

Or analysis by remainers ('non-leavers' in your terms) such as 'car sales have slumped because of Brexit, absolutely nothing to do with government policy on diesel'

Or stock catchphrases and insults such as Brextremist, Gammon, and Racist?

"
this thread was started as a good news antioroject fear evidence. The economy is complicated. If you can find reasons for metrics to move other than brexit, it works both ways.

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By *rench letterCouple over a year ago

Chorley,

There is never any good news in England all ways crap and allways will be.

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By *ammskiMan over a year ago

lytham st.annes

"There is never any good news in England all ways crap and allways will be. "
i,m not surprised you think like that,you live in Chorley FFS !!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Car sales jumped by 23.1 % last month. 94094 vehicles sold .

In addition after Brexit we will save a further 5.1 billion with the removal of red tape .

Project Fear looks laughable now . "

The FTSE 100 doesn't reflect the UK Economy though which on here is bounded about as a Brexit boom.

The FTSE 250 is a little closer to a glimps in to the UK's economy, but still not anywhere accurate.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Well apparently Boris has admitted to friends he has "fucked up"! He should have backed remain. The EU is best for the economy! So the good news is he's probably pissed off the Tories wanting him to be P.M.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There is never any good news in England all ways crap and allways will be. i,m not surprised you think like that,you live in Chorley FFS !!!"

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"And point of pedantry, high FTSE is not good if you’re saving. Buy low, sell high.

You can’t just say the opposite of the truth as if it’s fact. That’s Centaurs exclusive right.

Leavers are constantly proven wrong time after time. The situation is explained and they are shown to be in the wrong.

Non-leavers make points, show information, data, sources, examples, principals about how things work.

Leavers, (at least the ones on here), use stock catchphrases such as“remoaner”, “libtard”, “take back control” which are entirely meaningless. Oh and insults, plenty of insults.

One leave even admitted to not understanding anything, but ploughed on with the arguing regardless."
If you had bothered to read the posters post a little more carefully what he stated was that it was not necessary to understand certain things. That does not mean that they don't understand .

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Car sales jumped by 23.1 % last month. 94094 vehicles sold .

In addition after Brexit we will save a further 5.1 billion with the removal of red tape .

Project Fear looks laughable now .

Some 94,094 new vehicles were registered in the UK in August, says the SMMT

Rise was inflated by dealers shifting cars that fail to meet new emissions rules

All models sold with the 68 plate must adhere to new WLTP standards

Those that couldn't adhere to these limits were offered with huge discounts in August

Do you understand what drives share prices?

Happy to find out where you have information that indicates otherwise.

Some of the best decisions I have made in life were done on the spur of the moment.

I do not need to know how my computer works . It just needs to work when it is switched on . The same scenario applies to driving my car

So how do you know the consequences of any decisions that you make?

How do you know how to react to circumstances?

This is genuinely interesting because you are saying that the best decisions are made in complete ignorance."
I never said that the best decisions are made in complete ignorance. It may be that some people have sufficient knowledge, experience and confidence to make snap decisions and do not spend too much time analysing data.

As no one can predict the future sometimes it is a bit pointless spending too much time analysing it.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"And point of pedantry, high FTSE is not good if you’re saving. Buy low, sell high.

You can’t just say the opposite of the truth as if it’s fact. That’s Centaurs exclusive right.

Leavers are constantly proven wrong time after time. The situation is explained and they are shown to be in the wrong.

Non-leavers make points, show information, data, sources, examples, principals about how things work.

Leavers, (at least the ones on here), use stock catchphrases such as“remoaner”, “libtard”, “take back control” which are entirely meaningless. Oh and insults, plenty of insults.

One leave even admitted to not understanding anything, but ploughed on with the arguing regardless. If you had bothered to read the posters post a little more carefully what he stated was that it was not necessary to understand certain things. That does not mean that they don't understand . "

Actually the meaning of;

"Personally I do not need to understand anything"

is pretty unambiguous with or without context.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

" Hi. Personally I do not need to understand anything .

This pretty much sums up 99% of leavers. As we can see by the leave voters who post here there is a gross misunderstanding and lack of knowledge around the EU.

My guess is that those who voted to leave are more open minded and forward looking that those who voted to remain.

A few little tweaks to duty rates will make no difference to anyone . In any event duties simply cancel out at a global level.

Anyone with common sense wants value for money. Those supporting the EU were unable to put forward any convincing argument that this is the case.

-Matt How could duties not can do at a global level ?

If the UK pays £2 duty to France and France receives the £2 the net value of the transaction at world level is nil.

Maybe your reasoning needs reviewing? . A fee tweaks to duties will make no difference to the UK.

So in a very macroscopic sense it doesn't make a difference no, but at that level, nothing would make a difference as there would be no trade at all.

-Matt"
It is difficult to see how any amendements to duty rates will make any real difference. The average is around 1 % . Your assumption of prices increasing is based on the assumption that the government keep the duty and do not use it to reduce other taxes .

You would also need to offset other savings such as reduced costs if we do not have to adhere to EU regulations.

Duties which we pay to countries outside the EU will also reduce substantially.

In this case we would expect prices to fall ( not rise as you claim) .

Luckily this is only an internet forum so it is irrelevant whether anyone is right or wrong .

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"Car sales jumped by 23.1 % last month. 94094 vehicles sold .

In addition after Brexit we will save a further 5.1 billion with the removal of red tape .

Project Fear looks laughable now .

Some 94,094 new vehicles were registered in the UK in August, says the SMMT

Rise was inflated by dealers shifting cars that fail to meet new emissions rules

All models sold with the 68 plate must adhere to new WLTP standards

Those that couldn't adhere to these limits were offered with huge discounts in August

Do you understand what drives share prices?

Happy to find out where you have information that indicates otherwise.

Some of the best decisions I have made in life were done on the spur of the moment.

I do not need to know how my computer works . It just needs to work when it is switched on . The same scenario applies to driving my car

So how do you know the consequences of any decisions that you make?

How do you know how to react to circumstances?

This is genuinely interesting because you are saying that the best decisions are made in complete ignorance. I never said that the best decisions are made in complete ignorance. It may be that some people have sufficient knowledge, experience and confidence to make snap decisions and do not spend too much time analysing data.

As no one can predict the future sometimes it is a bit pointless spending too much time analysing it."

"Personally I do not need to understand anything"

Did you mean to use different words?

You are saying that you are so smart and experienced that you can operate on pure instinct?

Impressive

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By *oi_LucyCouple over a year ago

Barbados

" Hi. Personally I do not need to understand anything .

This pretty much sums up 99% of leavers. As we can see by the leave voters who post here there is a gross misunderstanding and lack of knowledge around the EU.

My guess is that those who voted to leave are more open minded and forward looking that those who voted to remain.

A few little tweaks to duty rates will make no difference to anyone . In any event duties simply cancel out at a global level.

Anyone with common sense wants value for money. Those supporting the EU were unable to put forward any convincing argument that this is the case.

-Matt How could duties not can do at a global level ?

If the UK pays £2 duty to France and France receives the £2 the net value of the transaction at world level is nil.

Maybe your reasoning needs reviewing? . A fee tweaks to duties will make no difference to the UK.

So in a very macroscopic sense it doesn't make a difference no, but at that level, nothing would make a difference as there would be no trade at all.

-Matt It is difficult to see how any amendements to duty rates will make any real difference. The average is around 1 % . Your assumption of prices increasing is based on the assumption that the government keep the duty and do not use it to reduce other taxes .

You would also need to offset other savings such as reduced costs if we do not have to adhere to EU regulations.

Duties which we pay to countries outside the EU will also reduce substantially.

In this case we would expect prices to fall ( not rise as you claim) .

Luckily this is only an internet forum so it is irrelevant whether anyone is right or wrong . "

Please name me one single EU regulation that we will save money from by not needing. And how much will we save? And what will be the implications of it not being their on others?

Bearing in mind if you are talking about any regulations relating to the standards of goods and services we sell to the EU of course they will have to stay or have an equivalence, as otherwise EU countries wont accept them anyway. Or we can’t just remove the EU standard safety compliance check for some product that we sell to the EU as they won’t accept it.

As for duty rates not making a difference, then why do so many leavers want them scrapped because they claim that by the U.K. having to enforce them on out-of-EU imports, it makes things more expensive?

-Matt

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

" Hi. Personally I do not need to understand anything .

This pretty much sums up 99% of leavers. As we can see by the leave voters who post here there is a gross misunderstanding and lack of knowledge around the EU.

My guess is that those who voted to leave are more open minded and forward looking that those who voted to remain.

A few little tweaks to duty rates will make no difference to anyone . In any event duties simply cancel out at a global level.

Anyone with common sense wants value for money. Those supporting the EU were unable to put forward any convincing argument that this is the case.

-Matt How could duties not can do at a global level ?

If the UK pays £2 duty to France and France receives the £2 the net value of the transaction at world level is nil.

Maybe your reasoning needs reviewing? . A fee tweaks to duties will make no difference to the UK.

So in a very macroscopic sense it doesn't make a difference no, but at that level, nothing would make a difference as there would be no trade at all.

You would also need to offset other savings such as reduced costs if we do not have to adhere to EU regulations.

Duties which we pay to countries outside the EU will also reduce substantially.

In this case we would expect prices to fall ( not rise as you claim) .

Luckily this is only an internet forum so it is irrelevant whether anyone is right or wrong . "

The average WTO tariff is 9%

We have a national debt, budget deficit and we are still making budget cuts. What's your assumption on tax reductions?

What are the increased costs of setting up our own regulatory agencies?

What are the costs of multiple production lines if standards diverge?

What are the costs of longer transport times for goods produce?

What are the costs of EU companies transferring to other EU firms because it's so much easier?

The average EU external tariff is 1.5% so we don't pay that much already. Except in specific sectors which, again we cannot substitute as easily as the EU.

It really is so much easier not knowing anything.

I see why you enjoy it so much

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Hi. Personally I do not need to understand anything . "

I can honestly say after reading quite a lot about your minor tweaks & economic posts I can now fully understand how you come to your view points

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

To get back to the car sales . . .

The Office of National Statistics on July 26 sounded a bit of a warning about increasing household debt levels.

Last year, on average every household spent £900 more than it took in, i.e. they borrowed £25bn.

It is the first time since 1988 households have been overspending for a whole year.

Even in the run-up to the financial crisis of 2008 and 2009 – when 100% (and more) mortgages were offered to home buyers without a deposit – the country did not reach a point where the average household was a net borrower.

Savings are in decline, borrowing is on the rise.

Unsecured consumer credit borrowing – things like car loans and credit cards – has been growing rapidly since 2015, outstripping income growth and prompting warnings to private banks from the Bank of England about their underwriting standards.

The growth in car sales indicates that consumerism is increasing. But the growth is coming from greater personal indebtedness, not increased productivity.

And if that borrowing is flowing out of the country through the purchase of foreign-made cars, it may not be quite the cause for celebration the OP believes it is.

By consistently spending more than they earn, households are becoming increasingly vulnerable to economic shocks.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

" Hi. Personally I do not need to understand anything .

This pretty much sums up 99% of leavers. As we can see by the leave voters who post here there is a gross misunderstanding and lack of knowledge around the EU.

My guess is that those who voted to leave are more open minded and forward looking that those who voted to remain.

A few little tweaks to duty rates will make no difference to anyone . In any event duties simply cancel out at a global level.

Anyone with common sense wants value for money. Those supporting the EU were unable to put forward any convincing argument that this is the case.

-Matt How could duties not can do at a global level ?

If the UK pays £2 duty to France and France receives the £2 the net value of the transaction at world level is nil.

Maybe your reasoning needs reviewing? . A fee tweaks to duties will make no difference to the UK.

So in a very macroscopic sense it doesn't make a difference no, but at that level, nothing would make a difference as there would be no trade at all.

You would also need to offset other savings such as reduced costs if we do not have to adhere to EU regulations.

Duties which we pay to countries outside the EU will also reduce substantially.

In this case we would expect prices to fall ( not rise as you claim) .

Luckily this is only an internet forum so it is irrelevant whether anyone is right or wrong .

The average WTO tariff is 9%

We have a national debt, budget deficit and we are still making budget cuts. What's your assumption on tax reductions?

What are the increased costs of setting up our own regulatory agencies?

What are the costs of multiple production lines if standards diverge?

What are the costs of longer transport times for goods produce?

What are the costs of EU companies transferring to other EU firms because it's so much easier?

The average EU external tariff is 1.5% so we don't pay that much already. Except in specific sectors which, again we cannot substitute as easily as the EU.

It really is so much easier not knowing anything.

I see why you enjoy it so much

"
Reality check. I would not want to waste too much of my life answering those questions . If you know the answers why ask, if you don't just research the answers on Google.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don’t know, you post something positive, and all these PODs try to hang up and piss on your chips.

Fuck em!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Actually car sales figures are manipulated by the manufacturer's. They offer their dealerships huge bonuses if they hit their sales targets and it's not uncommon for dealerships to "buy" the cars and register them to hit said bonuses!Therefore affecting the number of registrations - theses are usually around the quarter months - March, June, Sept & December.

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By *andS66Couple over a year ago

Derby

The average EU external tariff is 1.5% so we don't pay that much already.

The EU sets relatively high import tariffs on agricultural products compared to everything else. The average EU tariff on agriculture was roughly 11% in 2016, compared to about 4% for other products.

Tariffs on dairy products are as high as 36% on average, those on clothing can average just under 12%, and those on footwear face about 4%.

The lowest earning 10% spend about 22% of their income on food and clothes. The highest earning 10% spend about 11% of their income on food and clothes.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

The average EU external tariff is 1.5% so we don't pay that much already.

The EU sets relatively high import tariffs on agricultural products compared to everything else. The average EU tariff on agriculture was roughly 11% in 2016, compared to about 4% for other products.

Tariffs on dairy products are as high as 36% on average, those on clothing can average just under 12%, and those on footwear face about 4%.

The lowest earning 10% spend about 22% of their income on food and clothes. The highest earning 10% spend about 11% of their income on food and clothes."

There are no tariffs with the EU. Zero. They are also our closest neighbours so transport costs are low and times are short.

There are quota exemptions that are tariff free from all of the EU trade agreements.

Food and clothing is historically cheap in this country. That's why obesity and food waste is such a big problem.

We would also start paying duty and having customs checks imposed in our supply chain making our industry less competitive.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Wait, brexit is going to solve obesity ?

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"I don’t know, you post something positive, and all these PODs try to hang up and piss on your chips.

Fuck em!"

The point is that it sounds positive but isn't.

It's like sugar making people feel like everything is going well when it is not.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

The average EU external tariff is 1.5% so we don't pay that much already.

The EU sets relatively high import tariffs on agricultural products compared to everything else. The average EU tariff on agriculture was roughly 11% in 2016, compared to about 4% for other products.

Tariffs on dairy products are as high as 36% on average, those on clothing can average just under 12%, and those on footwear face about 4%.

The lowest earning 10% spend about 22% of their income on food and clothes. The highest earning 10% spend about 11% of their income on food and clothes.

There are no tariffs with the EU. Zero. They are also our closest neighbours so transport costs are low and times are short.

There are quota exemptions that are tariff free from all of the EU trade agreements.

Food and clothing is historically cheap in this country. That's why obesity and food waste is such a big problem.

We would also start paying duty and having customs checks imposed in our supply chain making our industry less competitive."

You make it all sound so good, it's free , it's wonderful. Bullshit! It isn't free trade when you're paying around £9 billion a year in Membership fees. We pay this £9 billion a year to the EU and in return we get a trade deficit, with other shitty strings attached like free movement and uncontrolled immigration, lost sovereignty, and our owm laws and courts being demoted beneath foreign laws and courts. It's not free and it's not wonderful.