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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
Reuters is reporting a survey that says EU citizens are fed up changing the clocks twice a year.
I am one of them.
The EU will now consider a proposal to cease the practice, and stick with summer time all year round.
I am all for that - changing clocks does nothing to change the hours of daylight and darkness.
Apparently, all member states and the Euro Parliament need to agree.
Do you think the UK should support this? |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"Reuters is reporting a survey that says EU citizens are fed up changing the clocks twice a year.
I am one of them.
The EU will now consider a proposal to cease the practice, and stick with summer time all year round.
I am all for that - changing clocks does nothing to change the hours of daylight and darkness.
Apparently, all member states and the Euro Parliament need to agree.
Do you think the UK should support this?"
Can't see a problem with it. It has its historical links in allowing more daylight to bring the harvest in, in days long gone by. |
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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
I know the farming community and schools in northern Britain are worried about moving to summer time all year round.
Or they have been in the past.
The solution seems simple - change your start and finish hours to fit the daylight in your own neighbourhood. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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God I hope they stop this archaic practice of putting the clocks back and forward .Its ridiculous and serves no purpose for 99% of people here.The farmers will moan but that's what they do anyways .
No doubt the brexit loons will do the opposite the EU does just because they hate the EU . |
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Another reason why I'm glad we're leaving the loony EU for me if they go forward with this. Daylight saving boots productivity and the EU will become less productive than it already is. The UK will stay as we currently are and remain more productive. |
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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"Daylight saving boots productivity "
Where is your evidence?
Changing clocks twice a year does not change the hours of daylight and darkness.
It is clearly unpopular with the public. |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
Barbados |
"Another reason why I'm glad we're leaving the loony EU for me if they go forward with this. Daylight saving boots productivity and the EU will become less productive than it already is. The UK will stay as we currently are and remain more productive. "
Which bit of ‘EU ciizens’ are you failing to understand or purposefully trying to ignore in order to further your agenda?
-Matt |
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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
Reminds me of a quote attributed to a native north american:
"Only the government would believe that you could cut a foot off the top of a blanket, sew it to the bottom, and have a longer blanket." |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Daylight saving boots productivity
Where is your evidence?
Changing clocks twice a year does not change the hours of daylight and darkness.
It is clearly unpopular with the public."
As per the racism thread we should all just ignore this lunatics posts.
I read that Russia tried staying for a couple of years but it didn’t work out. For some unspecified reason.
I personally don’t like how winter time brings it darker earlier. I have always said I’d much prefer to stay on summer time. |
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Britain tried this in the late 60's/early 70's.
The biggest problem was a spike in early morning traffic accidents especially with kids going to school in the dark. I can actually remember it myself and having to wear reflective armbands.
To be fair there was a reduction in the evenings but with lots of other things going on at the time (introduction of the breathalyser being one) the figures were inconclusive.
As for Britain following the EU lead. I don't think that the issue should be politicised but I do think that individual countries should be free to choose what is best for them and this is another one where (as much as the EU would like it to be) one size doesn't fit all.
The impact on Mediterranean countries would be minimal as they have a much smaller range between summer and winter daylight.
However it could cause big problems for northern European countries that do have a big range. Northern England, Scotland and Northern Ireland being good examples.
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God it must be a real pain in the arse having clocks that you have to adjust twice a year.
Wait no I don't have any, they do it themselves  .
I think mines broke, it's saying August when it's clearly April 1st  |
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"Plus I hate to be a stick in the mud but changing the hours does effect the times of daylight and darkness hence why the flipping do it  "
It's also why it boosts productivity in the economy, as daylight saving helps those who work in outdoor jobs to work longer hours. |
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"It's also why it boosts productivity in the economy, as daylight saving helps those who work in outdoor jobs to work longer hours. "
That is bull. As is the claim it cuts down on accidents. In fact there is a growing body of evidence that it actually increases RTC's, but like so many 'great ideas' once they have been adopted reversing them is near on impossible because it entails people admitting they made a mistake. |
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"It's also why it boosts productivity in the economy, as daylight saving helps those who work in outdoor jobs to work longer hours.
That is bull. As is the claim it cuts down on accidents. In fact there is a growing body of evidence that it actually increases RTC's, but like so many 'great ideas' once they have been adopted reversing them is near on impossible because it entails people admitting they made a mistake."
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Again I hate to be a stick in the mud but what's reversing about it, what your actually saying is you want to stick with the "great idea" permanently. Unless your abdicating to stay on GMT all year round? Which is a bit bonkers to be honest |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There's some on here who'd rather turn the clocks back to the 1950s than just 30 minutes lol"
That's were we are headed with this brexit time machine .Back to the good old days.Where rose tinted glasses are free and mandatory .  |
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"Unless your abdicating to stay on GMT all year round? Which is a bit bonkers to be honest
Actually that is exactly what I am saying we should do, and I am in some very good company."
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But nobody wants to stay on GMT in the summer, it would be the dawn chorus at 2:15 and nobody likes the dark early nights of winter under GMT either!.
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"It wouldn't be good for NI and Eire to be in different time zones. I wonder if that was in the GFA? "
The US gets on with different time zones ok and we are in a different zone to a lot of the EU anyway.
For those in the north of the UK it wouldnt get light till nearly nine meaning kids going to school in the dark which must raise some concerns over road safety
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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"Plus I hate to be a stick in the mud but changing the hours does effect the times of daylight and darkness hence why the flipping do it
It's also why it boosts productivity in the economy, as daylight saving helps those who work in outdoor jobs to work longer hours. "
Are you in control of the solar system or something?
Get real.
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"Another reason why I'm glad we're leaving the loony EU for me if they go forward with this. Daylight saving boots productivity and the EU will become less productive than it already is. The UK will stay as we currently are and remain more productive. "
Doh. You do realise that daylight saving time is summer time don't you? So, actually you agree with the EU.  |
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"Another reason why I'm glad we're leaving the loony EU for me if they go forward with this. Daylight saving boosts productivity and the EU will become less productive than it already is. The UK will stay as we currently are and remain more productive.
Doh. You do realise that daylight saving time is summer time don't you? So, actually you agree with the EU. "
No, you're the one who has misunderstood. The EU proposal is to not alter clocks twice a year, as we do in the UK. I don't agree with the proposal and think we're just fine as we are thanks. For the reasons already given by myself and others on the thread, our own system works better for productivity for those who work outdoors and gives them more daylight hours during the working day, all year round not just in summer, and as others have pointed out there is safety issues around children going to school in the dark and traffic accidents. Its yet another example of EU meddling. We're just fine as we are altering the clock's twice a year. |
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over a year ago
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"Another reason why I'm glad we're leaving the loony EU for me if they go forward with this. Daylight saving boosts productivity and the EU will become less productive than it already is. The UK will stay as we currently are and remain more productive.
Doh. You do realise that daylight saving time is summer time don't you? So, actually you agree with the EU.
No, you're the one who has misunderstood. The EU proposal is to not alter clocks twice a year, as we do in the UK. I don't agree with the proposal and think we're just fine as we are thanks. For the reasons already given by myself and others on the thread, our own system works better for productivity for those who work outdoors and gives them more daylight hours during the working day, all year round not just in summer, and as others have pointed out there is safety issues around children going to school in the dark and traffic accidents. Its yet another example of EU meddling. We're just fine as we are altering the clock's twice a year. "
You know if it was the US suggesting this you would be all over it like a rash, because it's the EU your dead against it or anything else. I think you need to grow up and act your age instead of your shoe size! |
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"Another reason why I'm glad we're leaving the loony EU for me if they go forward with this. Daylight saving boots productivity and the EU will become less productive than it already is. The UK will stay as we currently are and remain more productive.
Doh. You do realise that daylight saving time is summer time don't you? So, actually you agree with the EU. "
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Are you
Read the thread at least, the EU are planning on scrapping daylight saving time.
We use daylight saving time because otherwise it would be the dawn chorus at 2am in most Northern parts of Britain, most people in Britain Dislike GMT not BST |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Another reason why I'm glad we're leaving the loony EU for me if they go forward with this. Daylight saving boosts productivity and the EU will become less productive than it already is. The UK will stay as we currently are and remain more productive.
Doh. You do realise that daylight saving time is summer time don't you? So, actually you agree with the EU.
No, you're the one who has misunderstood. The EU proposal is to not alter clocks twice a year, as we do in the UK. I don't agree with the proposal and think we're just fine as we are thanks. For the reasons already given by myself and others on the thread, our own system works better for productivity for those who work outdoors and gives them more daylight hours during the working day, all year round not just in summer, and as others have pointed out there is safety issues around children going to school in the dark and traffic accidents. Its yet another example of EU meddling. We're just fine as we are altering the clock's twice a year.
You know if it was the US suggesting this you would be all over it like a rash, because it's the EU your dead against it or anything else. I think you need to grow up and act your age instead of your shoe size!"
For the far right America is great the EU shite unless it's a far right party making gains then it's fucking awesome. |
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By *ara J OP TV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
Basically, the world is heading towards a trio of henchmen - Putin, Trump and Xi - and everybody is expected to be in one of their gangs.
The EU is a threat to the oligopoly, so it must be destroyed. The UK is playing its part, helped by Trump and Putin. I suspect the UK will find out soon it has backed the wrong horse.
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"Another reason why I'm glad we're leaving the loony EU for me if they go forward with this. Daylight saving boots productivity and the EU will become less productive than it already is. The UK will stay as we currently are and remain more productive.
Doh. You do realise that daylight saving time is summer time don't you? So, actually you agree with the EU. .
Are you
Read the thread at least, the EU are planning on scrapping daylight saving time.
We use daylight saving time because otherwise it would be the dawn chorus at 2am in most Northern parts of Britain, most people in Britain Dislike GMT not BST "
Belfast would also have to chose between aligning with Dublin time or London time. Considering Northern Ireland is part of the UK then they would adopt London time. You'd then have 2 different time zones on the Island of Ireland. Yet more EU meddling which we don't need. |
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"Another reason why I'm glad we're leaving the loony EU for me if they go forward with this. Daylight saving boots productivity and the EU will become less productive than it already is. The UK will stay as we currently are and remain more productive.
Doh. You do realise that daylight saving time is summer time don't you? So, actually you agree with the EU. .
Are you
Read the thread at least, the EU are planning on scrapping daylight saving time.
We use daylight saving time because otherwise it would be the dawn chorus at 2am in most Northern parts of Britain, most people in Britain Dislike GMT not BST "
"Daylight saving" is actually a bit of a misnomer. and I would assume (hope) that everyone on here knows that it doesn't "save" daylight.
What it does however is to try to keep the natural phenomenon of the Earths wobble in some kind of sync with our clocks.
On or close to the equator the wobble is hardly noticeable but the further away you go towards the poles it becomes much more noticeable to the point of 24 hour daylight or darkness once you get above the Arctic circle.
For northern European countries neither time zone is perfect so that is why we change our clocks twice a year.
If we stayed on GMT all year round then (as said above) you would be getting the dawn chorus at 2am and those nice daylight summer evenings in the garden would be an hour shorter, but no change in the winter.
The other alternative is to stick with BST all year. On the up side that would mean that daylight on winter afternoons would be an hour longer, but in the mornings would be an hour shorter.
The third way is to change between the two and get the best of both, which is what I prefer.
From an EU point of view it is a bit more complicated. The southern countries (Spain Italy Greece Etc.) shouldn't have much of a problem adjusting to the same time all year as their range between summer/winter daylight is shorter. However the northern countries, Denmark Sweden Holland Belgium and even northern parts of France and Germany, would have similar problems to the UK.
Also it doesn't help when you have say Warsaw and Cadiz in the same time zone.
To me, if it aint broke, don't mend it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Another reason why I'm glad we're leaving the loony EU for me if they go forward with this. Daylight saving boots productivity and the EU will become less productive than it already is. The UK will stay as we currently are and remain more productive.
Doh. You do realise that daylight saving time is summer time don't you? So, actually you agree with the EU. .
Are you
Read the thread at least, the EU are planning on scrapping daylight saving time.
We use daylight saving time because otherwise it would be the dawn chorus at 2am in most Northern parts of Britain, most people in Britain Dislike GMT not BST
Belfast would also have to chose between aligning with Dublin time or London time. Considering Northern Ireland is part of the UK then they would adopt London time. You'd then have 2 different time zones on the Island of Ireland. Yet more EU meddling which we don't need. "
sounds like your a fan of regulatory alignment. |
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"Another reason why I'm glad we're leaving the loony EU for me if they go forward with this. Daylight saving boots productivity and the EU will become less productive than it already is. The UK will stay as we currently are and remain more productive.
Doh. You do realise that daylight saving time is summer time don't you? So, actually you agree with the EU. .
Are you
Read the thread at least, the EU are planning on scrapping daylight saving time.
We use daylight saving time because otherwise it would be the dawn chorus at 2am in most Northern parts of Britain, most people in Britain Dislike GMT not BST
Belfast would also have to chose between aligning with Dublin time or London time. Considering Northern Ireland is part of the UK then they would adopt London time. You'd then have 2 different time zones on the Island of Ireland. Yet more EU meddling which we don't need. sounds like your a fan of regulatory alignment. "
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It's not regulatory alignment, it's longitudinal alignment, that's why the West coast of Africa run GMT or Portugal and Ireland, Spain and France technically should run on GMT but choose to run on ECT which means they have lighter nights and darker mornings than what they should have but due to Spain's further position South on that longitude doesn't really bother them, a bit like Mali (even further south but still on same longitude) who run on GMT only have a two difference between summer and winter |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I love the use of the words “EU Citizens.” Proof in the belief of the EU as a federal superstate. Also why do they feel the need to have every nation to abandon DST? I can understand why countries like Finland would benefit from such a change, as they have such little daylight to begin with. But it wouldn’t change much here. Indeed I have always looked forward to the extra daylight we get when we change to bst. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Another reason why I'm glad we're leaving the loony EU for me if they go forward with this. Daylight saving boots productivity and the EU will become less productive than it already is. The UK will stay as we currently are and remain more productive.
Doh. You do realise that daylight saving time is summer time don't you? So, actually you agree with the EU. .
Are you
Read the thread at least, the EU are planning on scrapping daylight saving time.
We use daylight saving time because otherwise it would be the dawn chorus at 2am in most Northern parts of Britain, most people in Britain Dislike GMT not BST
Belfast would also have to chose between aligning with Dublin time or London time. Considering Northern Ireland is part of the UK then they would adopt London time. You'd then have 2 different time zones on the Island of Ireland. Yet more EU meddling which we don't need. sounds like your a fan of regulatory alignment. .
It's not regulatory alignment, it's longitudinal alignment, that's why the West coast of Africa run GMT or Portugal and Ireland, Spain and France technically should run on GMT but choose to run on ECT which means they have lighter nights and darker mornings than what they should have but due to Spain's further position South on that longitude doesn't really bother them, a bit like Mali (even further south but still on same longitude) who run on GMT only have a two difference between summer and winter"
Agreed it makes sense to be aligned... but the decision to change the clocks is less about longitude. More about countries. Plenty don’t. And nor did we until 1916. And we also took a different approach during the war. |
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"Another reason why I'm glad we're leaving the loony EU for me if they go forward with this. Daylight saving boots productivity and the EU will become less productive than it already is. The UK will stay as we currently are and remain more productive.
Doh. You do realise that daylight saving time is summer time don't you? So, actually you agree with the EU. .
Are you
Read the thread at least, the EU are planning on scrapping daylight saving time.
We use daylight saving time because otherwise it would be the dawn chorus at 2am in most Northern parts of Britain, most people in Britain Dislike GMT not BST
Belfast would also have to chose between aligning with Dublin time or London time. Considering Northern Ireland is part of the UK then they would adopt London time. You'd then have 2 different time zones on the Island of Ireland. Yet more EU meddling which we don't need. sounds like your a fan of regulatory alignment. .
It's not regulatory alignment, it's longitudinal alignment, that's why the West coast of Africa run GMT or Portugal and Ireland, Spain and France technically should run on GMT but choose to run on ECT which means they have lighter nights and darker mornings than what they should have but due to Spain's further position South on that longitude doesn't really bother them, a bit like Mali (even further south but still on same longitude) who run on GMT only have a two difference between summer and winter
Agreed it makes sense to be aligned... but the decision to change the clocks is less about longitude. More about countries. Plenty don’t. And nor did we until 1916. And we also took a different approach during the war. "
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Plenty don't because there much further south, plenty to do when there much further north (like us) because otherwise we'd be getting daylight and birds singing at 2am in the North of Britain, do you think that's practicable?.
Of course before 1916 many many people started work at 4am so it probably didn't bother them to much unlike today where most folks don't.
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"Another reason why I'm glad we're leaving the loony EU for me if they go forward with this. Daylight saving boots productivity and the EU will become less productive than it already is. The UK will stay as we currently are and remain more productive.
Doh. You do realise that daylight saving time is summer time don't you? So, actually you agree with the EU. .
Are you
Read the thread at least, the EU are planning on scrapping daylight saving time.
We use daylight saving time because otherwise it would be the dawn chorus at 2am in most Northern parts of Britain, most people in Britain Dislike GMT not BST
Belfast would also have to chose between aligning with Dublin time or London time. Considering Northern Ireland is part of the UK then they would adopt London time. You'd then have 2 different time zones on the Island of Ireland. Yet more EU meddling which we don't need. sounds like your a fan of regulatory alignment. .
It's not regulatory alignment, it's longitudinal alignment, that's why the West coast of Africa run GMT or Portugal and Ireland, Spain and France technically should run on GMT but choose to run on ECT which means they have lighter nights and darker mornings than what they should have but due to Spain's further position South on that longitude doesn't really bother them, a bit like Mali (even further south but still on same longitude) who run on GMT only have a two difference between summer and winter
Agreed it makes sense to be aligned... but the decision to change the clocks is less about longitude. More about countries. Plenty don’t. And nor did we until 1916. And we also took a different approach during the war. .
Plenty don't because there much further south, plenty to do when there much further north (like us) because otherwise we'd be getting daylight and birds singing at 2am in the North of Britain, do you think that's practicable?.
Of course before 1916 many many people started work at 4am so it probably didn't bother them to much unlike today where most folks don't.
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It’s all relative as whatever you help on the am side you take away in the pm side.
I’m not denying there are advantages and disadvantages. I’m just tempted to use this to satire the brexit arguments of sovereignty, we coped before, make the best of it etc etc.
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"Funnily enough a YouGov poll has youngsters being okay with the clock changes and oldies wanting it to stop."
Thats because they dont get up early enough to notice its dark in the morning, some dont realise there are two 5 oclocks in every day |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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some people like to bash the EU with a big stick regardless just because they are so blinkered....
bearing in mind the irony of the proposal is that for 6 months of the year, they brits would be on the same time as those "pesky europeans" you hate so much.....
its never been an exact science.... because in a sense it doesn't really make sence that the uk and ireland is in a different timeszone that france... which is a different timezone from spain.....
they have the same arguement in the states that furthest western states of the eastern time zone, should be in the central time zone..... but then you'd have scenario's where for example the far western part of florida is in a different timezone from the rest of the state.... the same thing happens in texas where the far western bit is on mountain time, whereas the rest of the state is in central..... |
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"some people like to bash the EU with a big stick regardless just because they are so blinkered....
bearing in mind the irony of the proposal is that for 6 months of the year, they brits would be on the same time as those "pesky europeans" you hate so much.....
its never been an exact science.... because in a sense it doesn't really make sence that the uk and ireland is in a different timeszone that france... which is a different timezone from spain.....
they have the same arguement in the states that furthest western states of the eastern time zone, should be in the central time zone..... but then you'd have scenario's where for example the far western part of florida is in a different timezone from the rest of the state.... the same thing happens in texas where the far western bit is on mountain time, whereas the rest of the state is in central....."
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Just for clarity.
Britain, France and Spain fall entirely in the GMT meridian, Portugal is half in half out along with Ireland.
Daylight saving is not used via longitudinal position, it's used via your latitudinal position. |
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To save the confusion that some people seem to have, Equatorial Guinea doesn't need daylight saving time because there on the bleeding equator, it's 12hrs daylight and 12hrs darkness all day everyday all year, despite being on the same longitude as Sweden meaning the same time zone.
Sweden needs daylight saving time!
Equatorial Guinea less so. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Daylight saving time is an antiquated practice and serves no purpose in the modern world.It was invented during the First World War to save energy and help the war effort.
Before 1916 how did they cope? |
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"Daylight saving time is an antiquated practice and serves no purpose in the modern world.It was invented during the First World War to save energy and help the war effort.
Before 1916 how did they cope? "
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They got up for work at 3am.
Good luck with that |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Daylight saving time is an antiquated practice and serves no purpose in the modern world.It was invented during the First World War to save energy and help the war effort.
Before 1916 how did they cope? .
They got up for work at 3am.
Good luck with that"
Bollocks they did . |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"Daylight saving time is an antiquated practice and serves no purpose in the modern world.It was invented during the First World War to save energy and help the war effort.
Before 1916 how did they cope? "
I thought you were a greeny, perhaps saving energy would have had a purpose today too in your mind |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Daylight saving time is an antiquated practice and serves no purpose in the modern world.It was invented during the First World War to save energy and help the war effort.
Before 1916 how did they cope?
I thought you were a greeny, perhaps saving energy would have had a purpose today too in your mind "
Yeah i am and it's never been proven that it saved energy and if you would like proof we could measure the global energy usage and then next year ditch daylight saving and see if it would save or increase energy use . |
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"People have been getting up at dawn and finishing work at sunset since the dawn of time .Regardless of the illusion of time the Swiss have sold you. "
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I don't, I get up at 7 in the summer and leave for work at 8:10 |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Reuters is reporting a survey that says EU citizens are fed up changing the clocks twice a year.
I am one of them.
The EU will now consider a proposal to cease the practice, and stick with summer time all year round.
I am all for that - changing clocks does nothing to change the hours of daylight and darkness.
Apparently, all member states and the Euro Parliament need to agree.
Do you think the UK should support this?"
Yes yes yes |
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"I love the use of the words “EU Citizens.” Proof in the belief of the EU as a federal superstate. Also why do they feel the need to have every nation to abandon DST? I can understand why countries like Finland would benefit from such a change, as they have such little daylight to begin with. But it wouldn’t change much here. Indeed I have always looked forward to the extra daylight we get when we change to bst."
The proposal isn't to scrap Daylight Saving Time (despite many headlines stating that). The proposal is to consult on making either Daylight Saving Time, otherwise known as Summer Time, or wintertime permanent by stopping clock changes.
There are still many arguments for and against all cases but the EU isn't trying to steal your long summer evenings, but you might end up with lingers one's in the winter too. |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
Barbados |
"Daylight saving time is an antiquated practice and serves no purpose in the modern world.It was invented during the First World War to save energy and help the war effort.
Before 1916 how did they cope? "
Tsk, tsk bob... c'mon... the phrase is:
"How did they cope before we joined the EU?!"
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