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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
The French navy have stood by and watched 40 French scallop boats ram, throw rocks at and try and foul propellers of 5 British boats fishing legally of the French coast.So much for European rules seems the French don't have to abide by them. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
The French can only fish for scallops from October until May, whilst UK fisherman can fish all through the scallop season.
Previous years have had a loose verbal agreement to keep the peace, but no such agreement this year.
The relevant French ministry needs to be reminding their fisherman of their legal obligations. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"I expect nothing less from the French fishermen but for the French navy to just standby and do nothing sums up the whole eu to me. "
Why? The French Navy has nothing to do with the EU. Fishing rights however do. So if you really cared about UK fishermen being able to fish those waters, you would want the UK to remain in the EU. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I expect nothing less from the French fishermen but for the French navy to just standby and do nothing sums up the whole eu to me.
Why? The French Navy has nothing to do with the EU. Fishing rights however do. So if you really cared about UK fishermen being able to fish those waters, you would want the UK to remain in the EU."
Said by someone who is in "Malaga & London". You know after brexit you will only have 90 days in Spain - unless you buy an annual visa? |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"I expect nothing less from the French fishermen but for the French navy to just standby and do nothing sums up the whole eu to me.
Why? The French Navy has nothing to do with the EU. Fishing rights however do. So if you really cared about UK fishermen being able to fish those waters, you would want the UK to remain in the EU.
Said by someone who is in "Malaga & London". You know after brexit you will only have 90 days in Spain - unless you buy an annual visa?"
speculation and scaremongering nothing has been agreed yet.Do you really believe Spain wants to get rid of all the people who are bringing money into thier community's.Also I might only spend 90 days a year here so wouldn't affect me you don't know. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I expect nothing less from the French fishermen but for the French navy to just standby and do nothing sums up the whole eu to me.
Why? The French Navy has nothing to do with the EU. Fishing rights however do. So if you really cared about UK fishermen being able to fish those waters, you would want the UK to remain in the EU.
Said by someone who is in "Malaga & London". You know after brexit you will only have 90 days in Spain - unless you buy an annual visa?speculation and scaremongering nothing has been agreed yet.Do you really believe Spain wants to get rid of all the people who are bringing money into thier community's.Also I might only spend 90 days a year here so wouldn't affect me you don't know. "
Just look at shengen rules for 3rd countries - all very clear and might I ask do you pay income tax in Spain? Or are you just a migrant living there using the infrastructure but not contributing to it - like all the migrants we want to stop coming to the UK? |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
No I pay income tax in the UK.I also pay taxes on my property in Spain.I take nothing from the Spanish I contribute by spending some of my UK income in thier country.Like a lot of people do. |
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"I expect nothing less from the French fishermen but for the French navy to just standby and do nothing sums up the whole eu to me. "
 yep, it seems EU rules only suit countries like France when it suits. The French fishermen who did that blockade need to be hauled before the courts and prosecuted for their illegal activity. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"No I pay income tax in the UK.I also pay taxes on my property in Spain.I take nothing from the Spanish I contribute by spending some of my UK income in thier country.Like a lot of people do."
Ah so you don't use roads, you don't use airports. You own a property so you should pay local rates - bet it's a small amount too! Your exactly the MIGRANT who pays tax to the UK but lives in Spain. You know like the foreigners in the UK who get child benefit but send it back to their home country. The EU want people who live and pay income tax in the EU that's what benefits the host state! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Hand caught scallops are environmental friendly .Dredging for scallops is devastating for the sea floor environment,so I have zero sympathy for scallop dredgers be they French or British .
.I also noticed this scallop war involved the British vessel the Honey bourse III, from hull which has twice been fined by the UK’s Marine Management vessel Organisation for plundering under-sized scallops with the penalties running into the tens of thousands of pounds.
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By *edonistsatplayCouple
over a year ago
Portsmouth, North Brittany, France |
"Hand caught scallops are environmental friendly .Dredging for scallops is devastating for the sea floor environment,so I have zero sympathy for scallop dredgers be they French or British .
.I also noticed this scallop war involved the British vessel the Honey bourse III, from hull which has twice been fined by the UK’s Marine Management vessel Organisation for plundering under-sized scallops with the penalties running into the tens of thousands of pounds.
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notice that the other thing that has been somewhat glossed over is that the French fishermen are NOT ALLOWED to fish for scallops under French law. It's the 'closed season' and the rule was put in place to allow the stocks and sea bed to recover.
So, the French fishermen have to watch the British vessels come over and carry on regardless, which would probably piss me off a bit to.
Not saying it's right to carry on like a bunch of kids squabbling in a playground apart from the fact that its downright dangerous for all involved  |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
Can't see how you work that out I pay rates, car tax for roads ( seems to me its mainly tourists or ex pats who use the toll roads too) pretty sure airport tax is included in the flight price and spend money earned and tax paid in the UK here.Considering I only spend a few months here I think they get a good deal out of me
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Hand caught scallops are environmental friendly .Dredging for scallops is devastating for the sea floor environment,so I have zero sympathy for scallop dredgers be they French or British .
.I also noticed this scallop war involved the British vessel the Honey bourse III, from hull which has twice been fined by the UK’s Marine Management vessel Organisation for plundering under-sized scallops with the penalties running into the tens of thousands of pounds.
notice that the other thing that has been somewhat glossed over is that the French fishermen are NOT ALLOWED to fish for scallops under French law. It's the 'closed season' and the rule was put in place to allow the stocks and sea bed to recover.
So, the French fishermen have to watch the British vessels come over and carry on regardless, which would probably piss me off a bit to.
Not saying it's right to carry on like a bunch of kids squabbling in a playground apart from the fact that its downright dangerous for all involved "
Its a ridiculous situation where a neighbouring country can fish in your closed season. |
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"There ya go it’s all the British fishermen’s fault"
Yep, in this case it is. Having over dredged all he UK and open water banks leaving only adolescent scallops they are now moving in on the French scallop grounds that are closed to the French Scallop dredgers by French law because English law says they can.
Remember the first and second cod wars? They were caused by the same greedy English fishermen using English law to justify destroying others fishing grounds because English law says they can after they fucked their own fishing grounds.
Come 30 March next year if the scallop dredgers try this on again they will find that the French navy will take action and the English fishing fleet will be the target. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Can't see how you work that out I pay rates, car tax for roads ( seems to me its mainly tourists or ex pats who use the toll roads too) pretty sure airport tax is included in the flight price and spend money earned and tax paid in the UK here.Considering I only spend a few months here I think they get a good deal out of me
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If your not a permanent resident there then it's a fair point. But if you hate the EU so much why buy in Spain - buy in the UK and support your own country. |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
I never said I hate the eu I have some very good friends from different countries have no problem with free movement of people either.I voted out because I detest the eu commission and all it stands for.It's a club where they are only in it for themself.They don't pay tax in thier own country they pay an eu community tax which starts at 8 per cent.Ex politicians can get back on the gravy train by being a eu advisor (just look at kinnock and his wife)I could go on about a lot of things I don't like but it's us mugs who are paying them and thier over inflated pensions.That's why they don't want it to fail nothing to do with us little people. |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
I think we should be allowed to fish our own waters just like everyone else should fish thiers.International waters there has to be an agreement to preserve fish stocks.This story is an eu directive and the French should respect that I could just imagine the outrage if it was the other way round. In fact knowing us if it was I reckon our fishermen would all end up in court. |
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"I think we should be allowed to fish our own waters just like everyone else should fish thiers.International waters there has to be an agreement to preserve fish stocks.This story is an eu directive and the French should respect that I could just imagine the outrage if it was the other way round. In fact knowing us if it was I reckon our fishermen would all end up in court. "
As far as I know no EU fishing fleet has attempted to deliberately fish in any closed area of British territorial waters claiming that they could because their own government gave them permission. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"I think we should be allowed to fish our own waters just like everyone else should fish thiers.International waters there has to be an agreement to preserve fish stocks.This story is an eu directive and the French should respect that I could just imagine the outrage if it was the other way round. In fact knowing us if it was I reckon our fishermen would all end up in court. "
So you don't believe that British fishermen should be allowed to fish those waters in the first place? |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"I think we should be allowed to fish our own waters just like everyone else should fish thiers.International waters there has to be an agreement to preserve fish stocks.This story is an eu directive and the French should respect that I could just imagine the outrage if it was the other way round. In fact knowing us if it was I reckon our fishermen would all end up in court. "
I believe it's actually a French Government environment directive that restricts French scallop fishing, and not an EU directive.
The bottom line is UK fisherman have the right to be there. It's outside of the 12 mile line, and fishermen will always go where the catch is to be found.
People can use the moral argument as much as they like but they cannot legally stop us fishing there. French bullyboy tactics are wrong. If they have a problem, they should be seeking the French Government to alter things. |
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By *ostafun OP Man
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"I think we should be allowed to fish our own waters just like everyone else should fish thiers.International waters there has to be an agreement to preserve fish stocks.This story is an eu directive and the French should respect that I could just imagine the outrage if it was the other way round. In fact knowing us if it was I reckon our fishermen would all end up in court.
So you don't believe that British fishermen should be allowed to fish those waters in the first place? "
I didn't say that. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"I think we should be allowed to fish our own waters just like everyone else should fish thiers.International waters there has to be an agreement to preserve fish stocks.This story is an eu directive and the French should respect that I could just imagine the outrage if it was the other way round. In fact knowing us if it was I reckon our fishermen would all end up in court.
So you don't believe that British fishermen should be allowed to fish those waters in the first place? I didn't say that. "
These are French waters aren't they? If not, then why are the French passing laws about it? |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"I think we should be allowed to fish our own waters just like everyone else should fish thiers.International waters there has to be an agreement to preserve fish stocks.This story is an eu directive and the French should respect that I could just imagine the outrage if it was the other way round. In fact knowing us if it was I reckon our fishermen would all end up in court.
So you don't believe that British fishermen should be allowed to fish those waters in the first place? I didn't say that.
These are French waters aren't they? If not, then why are the French passing laws about it? "
The Bay Of Seine is in EU waters. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"I think we should be allowed to fish our own waters just like everyone else should fish thiers.International waters there has to be an agreement to preserve fish stocks.This story is an eu directive and the French should respect that I could just imagine the outrage if it was the other way round. In fact knowing us if it was I reckon our fishermen would all end up in court.
So you don't believe that British fishermen should be allowed to fish those waters in the first place? I didn't say that.
These are French waters aren't they? If not, then why are the French passing laws about it?
The Bay Of Seine is in EU waters."
it is actually in french territorial waters... which is why the french government ban on their trawlers doing this at this time of year takes precendent... |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"I think we should be allowed to fish our own waters just like everyone else should fish thiers.International waters there has to be an agreement to preserve fish stocks.This story is an eu directive and the French should respect that I could just imagine the outrage if it was the other way round. In fact knowing us if it was I reckon our fishermen would all end up in court.
So you don't believe that British fishermen should be allowed to fish those waters in the first place? I didn't say that.
These are French waters aren't they? If not, then why are the French passing laws about it?
The Bay Of Seine is in EU waters.
it is actually in french territorial waters... which is why the french government ban on their trawlers doing this at this time of year takes precendent..."
No, the BBC map clearly shows it outside of the 12 mile limit. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"I think we should be allowed to fish our own waters just like everyone else should fish thiers.International waters there has to be an agreement to preserve fish stocks.This story is an eu directive and the French should respect that I could just imagine the outrage if it was the other way round. In fact knowing us if it was I reckon our fishermen would all end up in court.
So you don't believe that British fishermen should be allowed to fish those waters in the first place? I didn't say that.
These are French waters aren't they? If not, then why are the French passing laws about it?
The Bay Of Seine is in EU waters.
it is actually in french territorial waters... which is why the french government ban on their trawlers doing this at this time of year takes precendent..."
And there is no such thing as "EU waters" there are just the collective waters of the member states of the EU. |
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"No, the BBC map clearly shows it outside of the 12 mile limit."
12 miles is bull, that is the criminal law limit.
Territorial waters for the purposes of mineral and fishing rights is 200 nautical miles. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"No, the BBC map clearly shows it outside of the 12 mile limit.
12 miles is bull, that is the criminal law limit.
Territorial waters for the purposes of mineral and fishing rights is 200 nautical miles."
You may want to check that against the 2013 United Nations definition. |
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"You may want to check that against the 2013 United Nations definition."
I am so sorry, I used the wrong term to refer to the 200 nautical mile exclusive economic zone. Which makes all waters within 200 NAUTICAL MILES of a countries coast their TERRITORIAL WATERS FOR THE PURPOSES OF ALL ECONOMIC EXPLOITATION. Which is what I said...
Unless you are claiming that the UK has some sort of veto over France or any other country exercising its powers over EEZ waters... |
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"I think we should be allowed to fish our own waters just like everyone else should fish thiers.International waters there has to be an agreement to preserve fish stocks.This story is an eu directive and the French should respect that I could just imagine the outrage if it was the other way round. In fact knowing us if it was I reckon our fishermen would all end up in court.
I believe it's actually a French Government environment directive that restricts French scallop fishing, and not an EU directive.
The bottom line is UK fisherman have the right to be there. It's outside of the 12 mile line, and fishermen will always go where the catch is to be found.
People can use the moral argument as much as they like but they cannot legally stop us fishing there. French bullyboy tactics are wrong. If they have a problem, they should be seeking the French Government to alter things."
We've also seen similar bullyboy tactics used by Spanish ships in and around Gibraltar waters where they've rammed British boats or attempted blockade. The French have now demonstrated they are no different to the Spanish. The sooner we are out of the EU and free of this kind of thing the better. International boundaries in territorial waters will have to be respected after Brexit, there will be no blurring of lines through Membership of the EU. France can keep its waters, Spain can keep its waters and we the UK can keep ours. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"You may want to check that against the 2013 United Nations definition.
I am so sorry, I used the wrong term to refer to the 200 nautical mile exclusive economic zone. Which makes all waters within 200 NAUTICAL MILES of a countries coast their TERRITORIAL WATERS FOR THE PURPOSES OF ALL ECONOMIC EXPLOITATION. Which is what I said...
Unless you are claiming that the UK has some sort of veto over France or any other country exercising its powers over EEZ waters..."
It's been that was since the 3rd UN Convention on the Laws of the Sea since 1973. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"I think we should be allowed to fish our own waters just like everyone else should fish thiers.International waters there has to be an agreement to preserve fish stocks.This story is an eu directive and the French should respect that I could just imagine the outrage if it was the other way round. In fact knowing us if it was I reckon our fishermen would all end up in court.
I believe it's actually a French Government environment directive that restricts French scallop fishing, and not an EU directive.
The bottom line is UK fisherman have the right to be there. It's outside of the 12 mile line, and fishermen will always go where the catch is to be found.
People can use the moral argument as much as they like but they cannot legally stop us fishing there. French bullyboy tactics are wrong. If they have a problem, they should be seeking the French Government to alter things.
We've also seen similar bullyboy tactics used by Spanish ships in and around Gibraltar waters where they've rammed British boats or attempted blockade. The French have now demonstrated they are no different to the Spanish. The sooner we are out of the EU and free of this kind of thing the better. International boundaries in territorial waters will have to be respected after Brexit, there will be no blurring of lines through Membership of the EU. France can keep its waters, Spain can keep its waters and we the UK can keep ours. "
So you don't want these British fishermen to be able to fish these waters at all then? |
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"I think we should be allowed to fish our own waters just like everyone else should fish thiers.International waters there has to be an agreement to preserve fish stocks.This story is an eu directive and the French should respect that I could just imagine the outrage if it was the other way round. In fact knowing us if it was I reckon our fishermen would all end up in court.
I believe it's actually a French Government environment directive that restricts French scallop fishing, and not an EU directive.
The bottom line is UK fisherman have the right to be there. It's outside of the 12 mile line, and fishermen will always go where the catch is to be found.
People can use the moral argument as much as they like but they cannot legally stop us fishing there. French bullyboy tactics are wrong. If they have a problem, they should be seeking the French Government to alter things.
We've also seen similar bullyboy tactics used by Spanish ships in and around Gibraltar waters where they've rammed British boats or attempted blockade. The French have now demonstrated they are no different to the Spanish. The sooner we are out of the EU and free of this kind of thing the better. International boundaries in territorial waters will have to be respected after Brexit, there will be no blurring of lines through Membership of the EU. France can keep its waters, Spain can keep its waters and we the UK can keep ours.
So you don't want these British fishermen to be able to fish these waters at all then? "
The uk fishermen have full legal right to fish there up until our exit from the EU in March 2019. The French have no right to ram British ships or attempt blockade while we remain a member of the EU. And no, after March 2019 I don't want uk ships fishing there, but it's a 2 way street, French and Spanish ships should not be allowed to fish in UK waters after March 2019 either. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
The only other territory to leave the EU did so in order to protect their fisheries being opened up to other nations.
Greenland.
If I'm reading this correct, I do have some sympathy for the French fishing fleet.
Imagine if the UK Government told the UK fleet it had to stay in port for, say, four months, while other countries were free to fish their grounds.
It does not seem to make sense.
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"I think we should be allowed to fish our own waters just like everyone else should fish thiers.International waters there has to be an agreement to preserve fish stocks.This story is an eu directive and the French should respect that I could just imagine the outrage if it was the other way round. In fact knowing us if it was I reckon our fishermen would all end up in court.
I believe it's actually a French Government environment directive that restricts French scallop fishing, and not an EU directive.
The bottom line is UK fisherman have the right to be there. It's outside of the 12 mile line, and fishermen will always go where the catch is to be found.
People can use the moral argument as much as they like but they cannot legally stop us fishing there. French bullyboy tactics are wrong. If they have a problem, they should be seeking the French Government to alter things.
We've also seen similar bullyboy tactics used by Spanish ships in and around Gibraltar waters where they've rammed British boats or attempted blockade. The French have now demonstrated they are no different to the Spanish. The sooner we are out of the EU and free of this kind of thing the better. International boundaries in territorial waters will have to be respected after Brexit, there will be no blurring of lines through Membership of the EU. France can keep its waters, Spain can keep its waters and we the UK can keep ours.
So you don't want these British fishermen to be able to fish these waters at all then?
The uk fishermen have full legal right to fish there up until our exit from the EU in March 2019. The French have no right to ram British ships or attempt blockade while we remain a member of the EU. And no, after March 2019 I don't want uk ships fishing there, but it's a 2 way street, French and Spanish ships should not be allowed to fish in UK waters after March 2019 either. "
Exactly, so you can't cry big-bad-EU when you voted to strip the rights of the fishermen to fish these waters at all. |
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"I think we should be allowed to fish our own waters just like everyone else should fish thiers.International waters there has to be an agreement to preserve fish stocks.This story is an eu directive and the French should respect that I could just imagine the outrage if it was the other way round. In fact knowing us if it was I reckon our fishermen would all end up in court.
I believe it's actually a French Government environment directive that restricts French scallop fishing, and not an EU directive.
The bottom line is UK fisherman have the right to be there. It's outside of the 12 mile line, and fishermen will always go where the catch is to be found.
People can use the moral argument as much as they like but they cannot legally stop us fishing there. French bullyboy tactics are wrong. If they have a problem, they should be seeking the French Government to alter things.
We've also seen similar bullyboy tactics used by Spanish ships in and around Gibraltar waters where they've rammed British boats or attempted blockade. The French have now demonstrated they are no different to the Spanish. The sooner we are out of the EU and free of this kind of thing the better. International boundaries in territorial waters will have to be respected after Brexit, there will be no blurring of lines through Membership of the EU. France can keep its waters, Spain can keep its waters and we the UK can keep ours.
So you don't want these British fishermen to be able to fish these waters at all then?
The uk fishermen have full legal right to fish there up until our exit from the EU in March 2019. The French have no right to ram British ships or attempt blockade while we remain a member of the EU. And no, after March 2019 I don't want uk ships fishing there, but it's a 2 way street, French and Spanish ships should not be allowed to fish in UK waters after March 2019 either.
Exactly, so you can't cry big-bad-EU when you voted to strip the rights of the fishermen to fish these waters at all. "
As you love to keep telling everyone 'we haven't left yet', so until March 2019 we have full access to these waters, the French should abide by the rules and respect the rule of law instead of behaving like little pirate babies. |
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By *edonistsatplayCouple
over a year ago
Portsmouth, North Brittany, France |
"I think we should be allowed to fish our own waters just like everyone else should fish thiers.International waters there has to be an agreement to preserve fish stocks.This story is an eu directive and the French should respect that I could just imagine the outrage if it was the other way round. In fact knowing us if it was I reckon our fishermen would all end up in court.
I believe it's actually a French Government environment directive that restricts French scallop fishing, and not an EU directive.
The bottom line is UK fisherman have the right to be there. It's outside of the 12 mile line, and fishermen will always go where the catch is to be found.
People can use the moral argument as much as they like but they cannot legally stop us fishing there. French bullyboy tactics are wrong. If they have a problem, they should be seeking the French Government to alter things.
We've also seen similar bullyboy tactics used by Spanish ships in and around Gibraltar waters where they've rammed British boats or attempted blockade. The French have now demonstrated they are no different to the Spanish. The sooner we are out of the EU and free of this kind of thing the better. International boundaries in territorial waters will have to be respected after Brexit, there will be no blurring of lines through Membership of the EU. France can keep its waters, Spain can keep its waters and we the UK can keep ours.
So you don't want these British fishermen to be able to fish these waters at all then?
The uk fishermen have full legal right to fish there up until our exit from the EU in March 2019. The French have no right to ram British ships or attempt blockade while we remain a member of the EU. And no, after March 2019 I don't want uk ships fishing there, but it's a 2 way street, French and Spanish ships should not be allowed to fish in UK waters after March 2019 either.
Exactly, so you can't cry big-bad-EU when you voted to strip the rights of the fishermen to fish these waters at all. "
The most ironic thing is that most of the fish and shell fish caught in the UK is shipped abroad... 2 lorry loads a week from the Portsmouth based fishing fleet go on the ferry to France.
Apparently (although I stand to be corrected) the UK as a nation eat less than a kg of fish per person per year and most of that is wrapped in batter or breadcrumbs!  |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
Some might say that it is strange that this is the first time ever that a bilateral agreement has not been reached for British boats to not fish at this time.
Some might say that it is strange that this is the first time ever that large Scottish dredging boats have made the trip down.
Some might say that it was a deliberate provocation to drum up some nationalistic fervour whilst the mood is turning against Brexit.
Some might say that this will not generate much good will in the negotiating process and increases the chance of no deal.
It is a rum set of circumstances isn't it?
It is not the business of the French Navy. If they were Police there may be a point to be made.
The French fishermen should not be doing this though as it endangers both themselves and the British boats (which are substantially bigger and actually less at risk). |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"I think we should be allowed to fish our own waters just like everyone else should fish thiers.International waters there has to be an agreement to preserve fish stocks.This story is an eu directive and the French should respect that I could just imagine the outrage if it was the other way round. In fact knowing us if it was I reckon our fishermen would all end up in court.
I believe it's actually a French Government environment directive that restricts French scallop fishing, and not an EU directive.
The bottom line is UK fisherman have the right to be there. It's outside of the 12 mile line, and fishermen will always go where the catch is to be found.
People can use the moral argument as much as they like but they cannot legally stop us fishing there. French bullyboy tactics are wrong. If they have a problem, they should be seeking the French Government to alter things.
We've also seen similar bullyboy tactics used by Spanish ships in and around Gibraltar waters where they've rammed British boats or attempted blockade. The French have now demonstrated they are no different to the Spanish. The sooner we are out of the EU and free of this kind of thing the better. International boundaries in territorial waters will have to be respected after Brexit, there will be no blurring of lines through Membership of the EU. France can keep its waters, Spain can keep its waters and we the UK can keep ours.
So you don't want these British fishermen to be able to fish these waters at all then?
The uk fishermen have full legal right to fish there up until our exit from the EU in March 2019. The French have no right to ram British ships or attempt blockade while we remain a member of the EU. And no, after March 2019 I don't want uk ships fishing there, but it's a 2 way street, French and Spanish ships should not be allowed to fish in UK waters after March 2019 either.
Exactly, so you can't cry big-bad-EU when you voted to strip the rights of the fishermen to fish these waters at all.
As you love to keep telling everyone 'we haven't left yet', so until March 2019 we have full access to these waters, the French should abide by the rules and respect the rule of law instead of behaving like little pirate babies. "
I agree, they should. Aren't you glad we have the ECJ that the fishermen can go to?
But I would like to see British fishermen to be able to fish the waters they have fished for years, yet you voted to take that away from them. You have also previously said that we should have left before now, so you would have taken it away from them before now. |
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Does anyone care about the sustainbilty of scallop beds and the destructive practice of dredging for them.I am guessing not.
Its massively destructive to the ecosystem.
So short sighted and an obscenely ignorant form of fishing. |
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"I think we should be allowed to fish our own waters just like everyone else should fish thiers.International waters there has to be an agreement to preserve fish stocks.This story is an eu directive and the French should respect that I could just imagine the outrage if it was the other way round. In fact knowing us if it was I reckon our fishermen would all end up in court.
I believe it's actually a French Government environment directive that restricts French scallop fishing, and not an EU directive.
The bottom line is UK fisherman have the right to be there. It's outside of the 12 mile line, and fishermen will always go where the catch is to be found.
People can use the moral argument as much as they like but they cannot legally stop us fishing there. French bullyboy tactics are wrong. If they have a problem, they should be seeking the French Government to alter things.
We've also seen similar bullyboy tactics used by Spanish ships in and around Gibraltar waters where they've rammed British boats or attempted blockade. The French have now demonstrated they are no different to the Spanish. The sooner we are out of the EU and free of this kind of thing the better. International boundaries in territorial waters will have to be respected after Brexit, there will be no blurring of lines through Membership of the EU. France can keep its waters, Spain can keep its waters and we the UK can keep ours.
So you don't want these British fishermen to be able to fish these waters at all then?
The uk fishermen have full legal right to fish there up until our exit from the EU in March 2019. The French have no right to ram British ships or attempt blockade while we remain a member of the EU. And no, after March 2019 I don't want uk ships fishing there, but it's a 2 way street, French and Spanish ships should not be allowed to fish in UK waters after March 2019 either.
Exactly, so you can't cry big-bad-EU when you voted to strip the rights of the fishermen to fish these waters at all.
As you love to keep telling everyone 'we haven't left yet', so until March 2019 we have full access to these waters, the French should abide by the rules and respect the rule of law instead of behaving like little pirate babies.
I agree, they should. Aren't you glad we have the ECJ that the fishermen can go to?
But I would like to see British fishermen to be able to fish the waters they have fished for years, yet you voted to take that away from them. You have also previously said that we should have left before now, so you would have taken it away from them before now."
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"Some might say that it is strange that this is the first time ever that a bilateral agreement has not been reached for British boats to not fish at this time.
Some might say that it is strange that this is the first time ever that large Scottish dredging boats have made the trip down.
Some might say that it was a deliberate provocation to drum up some nationalistic fervour whilst the mood is turning against Brexit.
Some might say that this will not generate much good will in the negotiating process and increases the chance of no deal.
It is a rum set of circumstances isn't it?
It is not the business of the French Navy. If they were Police there may be a point to be made.
The French fishermen should not be doing this though as it endangers both themselves and the British boats (which are substantially bigger and actually less at risk)."
fucking typical on here it endangers the French aswell as the British boats ffs I hope the French boats sink it’s them that are the aggressor lets not speak up for the victims wouldn’t want to upset someone |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"Some might say that it is strange that this is the first time ever that a bilateral agreement has not been reached for British boats to not fish at this time.
Some might say that it is strange that this is the first time ever that large Scottish dredging boats have made the trip down.
Some might say that it was a deliberate provocation to drum up some nationalistic fervour whilst the mood is turning against Brexit.
Some might say that this will not generate much good will in the negotiating process and increases the chance of no deal.
It is a rum set of circumstances isn't it?
It is not the business of the French Navy. If they were Police there may be a point to be made.
The French fishermen should not be doing this though as it endangers both themselves and the British boats (which are substantially bigger and actually less at risk). fucking typical on here it endangers the French aswell as the British boats ffs I hope the French boats sink it’s them that are the aggressor lets not speak up for the victims wouldn’t want to upset someone "
Get a grip.
I said that the French boats shouldn't be doing what they are.
Not enough for you? I need to get a pitchfork and a burning torch?
Have you seen the size differential between these vessels?
There is a serious danger to the French boats. It is their fault for putting themselves in harm's way but they must clearly feel strongly.
If it was us it would be plucky Brits standing up to Goliath.
Empathy. |
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"Does anyone care about the sustainbilty of scallop beds and the destructive practice of dredging for them.I am guessing not.
Its massively destructive to the ecosystem.
So short sighted and an obscenely ignorant form of fishing."
I find it all a bit sad that people think it’s ok to literally dredge the shit out of the scallop beds to satisfy the poncy set who scoff them by the plate full 
How many tones are they pulling out of the sea every time ?
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"Does anyone care about the sustainbilty of scallop beds and the destructive practice of dredging for them.I am guessing not.
Its massively destructive to the ecosystem.
So short sighted and an obscenely ignorant form of fishing.
I find it all a bit sad that people think it’s ok to literally dredge the shit out of the scallop beds to satisfy the poncy set who scoff them by the plate full
How many tones are they pulling out of the sea every time ?
They will never t be happy until scallops are indangered "
Thats kinda why the french government put this restriction on place, as a measure to try and govern and control the stocks to keep everyone happy....
so i can see why the french fisherman are mad that whilst they not fishing now to protect the long term, only for the british to go in gun ho and not care.... but they could have gone about this differently.... |
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"Does anyone care about the sustainbilty of scallop beds and the destructive practice of dredging for them.I am guessing not.
Its massively destructive to the ecosystem.
So short sighted and an obscenely ignorant form of fishing.
I find it all a bit sad that people think it’s ok to literally dredge the shit out of the scallop beds to satisfy the poncy set who scoff them by the plate full
How many tones are they pulling out of the sea every time ?
They will never t be happy until scallops are indangered
Thats kinda why the french government put this restriction on place, as a measure to try and govern and control the stocks to keep everyone happy....
so i can see why the french fisherman are mad that whilst they not fishing now to protect the long term, only for the british to go in gun ho and not care.... but they could have gone about this differently...."
The UK government has opened a public consultation asking how we think they should manage our fisheries after Brexit through a new Fisheries Bill. ‘Sustainable Fisheries For Future Generations’ was published in July 2018 and they are now asking for everyone's feedback on this document through a public consultation.
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"I expect nothing less from the French fishermen but for the French navy to just standby and do nothing sums up the whole eu to me.
Why? The French Navy has nothing to do with the EU. Fishing rights however do. So if you really cared about UK fishermen being able to fish those waters, you would want the UK to remain in the EU.
Said by someone who is in "Malaga & London". You know after brexit you will only have 90 days in Spain - unless you buy an annual visa?speculation and scaremongering nothing has been agreed yet.Do you really believe Spain wants to get rid of all the people who are bringing money into thier community's.Also I might only spend 90 days a year here so wouldn't affect me you don't know. "
Pal, I visit Barcelona, Valencia, Granada and Madrid a lot for work and to see Spanish friends whilst there.
Everyone everywhere who are no wealthy say the same thing. "We want second home owning British, Germans and Nordics to have a property value tax rise, or have a land value purchasing cap as it pushes up apartment/house costs for us."
The other one is "we want the British and Germans who retire here to have to integrate, we do not like having prime suburbs becoming 'british enclaves', they say the same thing about other nationalities coming to Britain, it applies here. Learn the language and stop socialising only with your own nationality."
The air of superiority you have about putting money in is horrendous. People talk about the EU being horrid for southern European nations and yet the citizens of Spain and Italy lose out more because of northern European retirees and holiday home owners more than anything. |
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"No I pay income tax in the UK.I also pay taxes on my property in Spain.I take nothing from the Spanish I contribute by spending some of my UK income in thier country.Like a lot of people do."
So you don't use the roads, electricity, street lights or anything else while in Spain then? |
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"Can't see how you work that out I pay rates, car tax for roads ( seems to me its mainly tourists or ex pats who use the toll roads too) pretty sure airport tax is included in the flight price and spend money earned and tax paid in the UK here.Considering I only spend a few months here I think they get a good deal out of me
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"I think we should be allowed to fish our own waters just like everyone else should fish thiers.International waters there has to be an agreement to preserve fish stocks.This story is an eu directive and the French should respect that I could just imagine the outrage if it was the other way round. In fact knowing us if it was I reckon our fishermen would all end up in court.
I believe it's actually a French Government environment directive that restricts French scallop fishing, and not an EU directive.
The bottom line is UK fisherman have the right to be there. It's outside of the 12 mile line, and fishermen will always go where the catch is to be found.
People can use the moral argument as much as they like but they cannot legally stop us fishing there. French bullyboy tactics are wrong. If they have a problem, they should be seeking the French Government to alter things.
We've also seen similar bullyboy tactics used by Spanish ships in and around Gibraltar waters where they've rammed British boats or attempted blockade. The French have now demonstrated they are no different to the Spanish. The sooner we are out of the EU and free of this kind of thing the better. International boundaries in territorial waters will have to be respected after Brexit, there will be no blurring of lines through Membership of the EU. France can keep its waters, Spain can keep its waters and we the UK can keep ours.
So you don't want these British fishermen to be able to fish these waters at all then?
The uk fishermen have full legal right to fish there up until our exit from the EU in March 2019. The French have no right to ram British ships or attempt blockade while we remain a member of the EU. And no, after March 2019 I don't want uk ships fishing there, but it's a 2 way street, French and Spanish ships should not be allowed to fish in UK waters after March 2019 either. "
As a lot of Spanish fishing boats fish in UK waters using legally bought British quotas, it's unlikely that they still won't be fishing in British waters long after BREXIT. In fact if anything they may well be fishing more in British waters as currently their British quota can be used to fish anywhere in EU waters but, after BREXIT, it will probably have to be used exclusively in British waters.
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"There ya go it’s all the British fishermen’s fault
Yep, in this case it is. Having over dredged all he UK and open water banks leaving only adolescent scallops they are now moving in on the French scallop grounds that are closed to the French Scallop dredgers by French law because English law says they can.
Remember the first and second cod wars? They were caused by the same greedy English fishermen using English law to justify destroying others fishing grounds because English law says they can after they fucked their own fishing grounds.
Come 30 March next year if the scallop dredgers try this on again they will find that the French navy will take action and the English fishing fleet will be the target."
You really haven't got the foggiest idea about what any of the Cod wars were about, or anything else to do with fishing for that matter. BTW there were three Cod wars not two.
"English" (or British if you like) law had bugger all to do with anything.
After WW2 international law allowed British boats to fish up to 4 miles from the Icelandic coast, as they had done for centuries. In 1958 the Icelandic's unilaterally declared a 12 mile limit (first Cod war) then increased it to 50 miles (second Cod war) then finally to 200 miles (third Cod war) Every time against international law and every time used their military to illegally enforce it.
Ultimately Britain only backed down after Icelandic threats to pull out of NATO forced the Americans to intervene.
I would just add that in the 60's and 70's British waters were far from "fucked". Although after 40 odd years of EU membership, they are now.
Go stand in the centre of Fleetwood or Grimsby and start talking about "greedy" British fishermen. |
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"I think we should be allowed to fish our own waters just like everyone else should fish thiers.International waters there has to be an agreement to preserve fish stocks.This story is an eu directive and the French should respect that I could just imagine the outrage if it was the other way round. In fact knowing us if it was I reckon our fishermen would all end up in court.
I believe it's actually a French Government environment directive that restricts French scallop fishing, and not an EU directive.
The bottom line is UK fisherman have the right to be there. It's outside of the 12 mile line, and fishermen will always go where the catch is to be found.
People can use the moral argument as much as they like but they cannot legally stop us fishing there. French bullyboy tactics are wrong. If they have a problem, they should be seeking the French Government to alter things.
We've also seen similar bullyboy tactics used by Spanish ships in and around Gibraltar waters where they've rammed British boats or attempted blockade. The French have now demonstrated they are no different to the Spanish. The sooner we are out of the EU and free of this kind of thing the better. International boundaries in territorial waters will have to be respected after Brexit, there will be no blurring of lines through Membership of the EU. France can keep its waters, Spain can keep its waters and we the UK can keep ours.
So you don't want these British fishermen to be able to fish these waters at all then?
The uk fishermen have full legal right to fish there up until our exit from the EU in March 2019. The French have no right to ram British ships or attempt blockade while we remain a member of the EU. And no, after March 2019 I don't want uk ships fishing there, but it's a 2 way street, French and Spanish ships should not be allowed to fish in UK waters after March 2019 either.
Exactly, so you can't cry big-bad-EU when you voted to strip the rights of the fishermen to fish these waters at all.
As you love to keep telling everyone 'we haven't left yet', so until March 2019 we have full access to these waters, the French should abide by the rules and respect the rule of law instead of behaving like little pirate babies.
I agree, they should. Aren't you glad we have the ECJ that the fishermen can go to?
But I would like to see British fishermen to be able to fish the waters they have fished for years, yet you voted to take that away from them. You have also previously said that we should have left before now, so you would have taken it away from them before now.
British fishermen mainly hate the EU and it's fishing policy. The Scottish fishing community is the main reason SNP lost previously safe seats to the Tories in the Scottish general election. As the SNP wants to remain in the EU. While the fishing community does not. "
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"There ya go it’s all the British fishermen’s fault
Yep, in this case it is. Having over dredged all he UK and open water banks leaving only adolescent scallops they are now moving in on the French scallop grounds that are closed to the French Scallop dredgers by French law because English law says they can.
Remember the first and second cod wars? They were caused by the same greedy English fishermen using English law to justify destroying others fishing grounds because English law says they can after they fucked their own fishing grounds.
Come 30 March next year if the scallop dredgers try this on again they will find that the French navy will take action and the English fishing fleet will be the target.
You really haven't got the foggiest idea about what any of the Cod wars were about, or anything else to do with fishing for that matter. BTW there were three Cod wars not two.
"English" (or British if you like) law had bugger all to do with anything.
After WW2 international law allowed British boats to fish up to 4 miles from the Icelandic coast, as they had done for centuries. In 1958 the Icelandic's unilaterally declared a 12 mile limit (first Cod war) then increased it to 50 miles (second Cod war) then finally to 200 miles (third Cod war) Every time against international law and every time used their military to illegally enforce it.
Ultimately Britain only backed down after Icelandic threats to pull out of NATO forced the Americans to intervene.
I would just add that in the 60's and 70's British waters were far from "fucked". Although after 40 odd years of EU membership, they are now.
Go stand in the centre of Fleetwood or Grimsby and start talking about "greedy" British fishermen."
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"There ya go it’s all the British fishermen’s fault
Yep, in this case it is. Having over dredged all he UK and open water banks leaving only adolescent scallops they are now moving in on the French scallop grounds that are closed to the French Scallop dredgers by French law because English law says they can.
Remember the first and second cod wars? They were caused by the same greedy English fishermen using English law to justify destroying others fishing grounds because English law says they can after they fucked their own fishing grounds.
Come 30 March next year if the scallop dredgers try this on again they will find that the French navy will take action and the English fishing fleet will be the target.
You really haven't got the foggiest idea about what any of the Cod wars were about, or anything else to do with fishing for that matter. BTW there were three Cod wars not two.
"English" (or British if you like) law had bugger all to do with anything.
After WW2 international law allowed British boats to fish up to 4 miles from the Icelandic coast, as they had done for centuries. In 1958 the Icelandic's unilaterally declared a 12 mile limit (first Cod war) then increased it to 50 miles (second Cod war) then finally to 200 miles (third Cod war) Every time against international law and every time used their military to illegally enforce it.
Ultimately Britain only backed down after Icelandic threats to pull out of NATO forced the Americans to intervene.
I would just add that in the 60's and 70's British waters were far from "fucked". Although after 40 odd years of EU membership, they are now.
Go stand in the centre of Fleetwood or Grimsby and start talking about "greedy" British fishermen.
If you hate the EU so much why don't you go back to the UK? Probably Afd will kick foreigners out given enough time!"
I don't hate Germany and I don't hate Spain, or any other European country. I just despise the institution that is the EU. As do many Germans, an increasing number of Spaniards, and as you should know better than most, a good number of French.
To have good trade and political relations doesn't need a united states of Europe. That is where the current version of the EU is heading and it must be stopped.
To me Brexit is only a side show, the thin end of the wedge. I want contagion, I want other countries to follow Britain's lead. Then when this EU collapses (which one day it will) something new that actually works for the people of Europe, rather than the political class and multi nationals, will replace it. |
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"There ya go it’s all the British fishermen’s fault
Yep, in this case it is. Having over dredged all he UK and open water banks leaving only adolescent scallops they are now moving in on the French scallop grounds that are closed to the French Scallop dredgers by French law because English law says they can.
Remember the first and second cod wars? They were caused by the same greedy English fishermen using English law to justify destroying others fishing grounds because English law says they can after they fucked their own fishing grounds.
Come 30 March next year if the scallop dredgers try this on again they will find that the French navy will take action and the English fishing fleet will be the target.
You really haven't got the foggiest idea about what any of the Cod wars were about, or anything else to do with fishing for that matter. BTW there were three Cod wars not two.
"English" (or British if you like) law had bugger all to do with anything.
After WW2 international law allowed British boats to fish up to 4 miles from the Icelandic coast, as they had done for centuries. In 1958 the Icelandic's unilaterally declared a 12 mile limit (first Cod war) then increased it to 50 miles (second Cod war) then finally to 200 miles (third Cod war) Every time against international law and every time used their military to illegally enforce it.
Ultimately Britain only backed down after Icelandic threats to pull out of NATO forced the Americans to intervene.
I would just add that in the 60's and 70's British waters were far from "fucked". Although after 40 odd years of EU membership, they are now.
Go stand in the centre of Fleetwood or Grimsby and start talking about "greedy" British fishermen.
If you hate the EU so much why don't you go back to the UK? Probably Afd will kick foreigners out given enough time!
I don't hate Germany and I don't hate Spain, or any other European country. I just despise the institution that is the EU. As do many Germans, an increasing number of Spaniards, and as you should know better than most, a good number of French.
To have good trade and political relations doesn't need a united states of Europe. That is where the current version of the EU is heading and it must be stopped.
To me Brexit is only a side show, the thin end of the wedge. I want contagion, I want other countries to follow Britain's lead. Then when this EU collapses (which one day it will) something new that actually works for the people of Europe, rather than the political class and multi nationals, will replace it."
There is an implicit assumption on your part that tearing down the EU will lead to something better.
Rather like invading Iraq or Afghanistan would lead to something better.
Tearing down is easy...
Should the USA, India, China and Germany be broken up?
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"There ya go it’s all the British fishermen’s fault
Yep, in this case it is. Having over dredged all he UK and open water banks leaving only adolescent scallops they are now moving in on the French scallop grounds that are closed to the French Scallop dredgers by French law because English law says they can.
Remember the first and second cod wars? They were caused by the same greedy English fishermen using English law to justify destroying others fishing grounds because English law says they can after they fucked their own fishing grounds.
Come 30 March next year if the scallop dredgers try this on again they will find that the French navy will take action and the English fishing fleet will be the target.
You really haven't got the foggiest idea about what any of the Cod wars were about, or anything else to do with fishing for that matter. BTW there were three Cod wars not two.
"English" (or British if you like) law had bugger all to do with anything.
After WW2 international law allowed British boats to fish up to 4 miles from the Icelandic coast, as they had done for centuries. In 1958 the Icelandic's unilaterally declared a 12 mile limit (first Cod war) then increased it to 50 miles (second Cod war) then finally to 200 miles (third Cod war) Every time against international law and every time used their military to illegally enforce it.
Ultimately Britain only backed down after Icelandic threats to pull out of NATO forced the Americans to intervene.
I would just add that in the 60's and 70's British waters were far from "fucked". Although after 40 odd years of EU membership, they are now.
Go stand in the centre of Fleetwood or Grimsby and start talking about "greedy" British fishermen."
I remember you posted a pretty good piece on fisheries and the EU's Common Fisheries Policy in one of the referendum threads and, having looked into it I have to agree that the CFP has not benefited British fishermen much. However this partly due to the British government has allowed British fishermen to sell their quotas openly and quite a lot have been sold to fisherman in other EU countries. No other EU country that I know of allows this. Leaving the EU won't actually solve this problem and could, as I pointed out in my last post, actually make the problem worse. |
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Nigel Farage love him or hate had an interesting conversation on his LBC show with an official I think from the British Fisheries.No wonder our guys are frustrated. Maybe another reason Brexit maybe good. Cant believe I am saying this twice in one day and I voted to remain. |
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"Nigel Farage love him or hate had an interesting conversation on his LBC show with an official I think from the British Fisheries.No wonder our guys are frustrated. Maybe another reason Brexit maybe good. Cant believe I am saying this twice in one day and I voted to remain."
Not much information to go on there 
What would the national position be if the reverse were happening?
Outrage? |
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"Nigel Farage love him or hate had an interesting conversation on his LBC show with an official I think from the British Fisheries.No wonder our guys are frustrated. Maybe another reason Brexit maybe good. Cant believe I am saying this twice in one day and I voted to remain.
Not much information to go on there
What would the national position be if the reverse were happening?
Outrage?"
Google it. Put your feet up and listen. |
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"What's Nigel's position on dredged scallops versus hand caught?
I will ask him when I next see him."
So he discussed scallop fishing yet didn't mention the ecological disaster created by dredging.Hes useless.
Much like his time as an mep while a member of the influential European parliament fisheries committee ,over three years, he turned up to one of 42 meetings. |
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"What's Nigel's position on dredged scallops versus hand caught?
I will ask him when I next see him.
So he discussed scallop fishing yet didn't mention the ecological disaster created by dredging.Hes useless.
Much like his time as an mep while a member of the influential European parliament fisheries committee ,over three years, he turned up to one of 42 meetings. "
What I meant was listen to the guy he was speaking to. |
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"What's Nigel's position on dredged scallops versus hand caught?
I will ask him when I next see him.
So he discussed scallop fishing yet didn't mention the ecological disaster created by dredging.Hes useless.
Much like his time as an mep while a member of the influential European parliament fisheries committee ,over three years, he turned up to one of 42 meetings. "
I do actually have some first hand experience on the dredging issue.
Many years ago I sat on a fisheries committee that tried to ban the use of "chain matrix" in our area.
Just for the ones who don't know much about beam trawling I will, briefly, explain what a chain matrix, and its relationship with a beam trawl actually is.
A beam trawl, as opposed to a door trawl, is fished hard on the bottom and is favoured when fishing on a flat sandy seabed.
The beam itself carries the upper part of the net and sits just above the bottom. It is supported by what are known as shoes which, for want of a better expression, ski along the bottom. The lower half of the net is also connected to the shoes and has a heavy chain which dredges the bottom, and its main purpose is to catch flat fish (Plaice, Sole Etc.) that can be just under the sand.
Beam trawls have been used for decades (if not centuries) and, although not perfect, the environmental damage they caused was minimal.
Then some bright spark had the idea of towing a large mat made of chain (chain matrix) just in front of the beam. This ploughed the bottom much deeper than the chain on the beam trawl itself and considerably boosted catches.
However the environmental damage was far worse and areas where they had been used were taking years to recover.
So, back to us trying to ban them in our area.
Our scientific advisers were telling us that this kind of fishing was unsustainable, especially in Liverpool bay, and parts of the bay was looking like a ploughed field with very little regeneration. I would add that at that time most of the boats using this method were Dutch and Spanish.
We agreed to the ban, but like everything else, had to be passed on to MAFF.
MAFF refused to rule one way or another and passed it up to Brussels.
Do I really need to tell you the answer?
To the best of my knowledge this method is still being used for flat fish (and almost certainly Scallops) to this day.
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"What's Nigel's position on dredged scallops versus hand caught?
I will ask him when I next see him.
So he discussed scallop fishing yet didn't mention the ecological disaster created by dredging.Hes useless.
Much like his time as an mep while a member of the influential European parliament fisheries committee ,over three years, he turned up to one of 42 meetings.
I do actually have some first hand experience on the dredging issue.
Many years ago I sat on a fisheries committee that tried to ban the use of "chain matrix" in our area.
Just for the ones who don't know much about beam trawling I will, briefly, explain what a chain matrix, and its relationship with a beam trawl actually is.
A beam trawl, as opposed to a door trawl, is fished hard on the bottom and is favoured when fishing on a flat sandy seabed.
The beam itself carries the upper part of the net and sits just above the bottom. It is supported by what are known as shoes which, for want of a better expression, ski along the bottom. The lower half of the net is also connected to the shoes and has a heavy chain which dredges the bottom, and its main purpose is to catch flat fish (Plaice, Sole Etc.) that can be just under the sand.
Beam trawls have been used for decades (if not centuries) and, although not perfect, the environmental damage they caused was minimal.
Then some bright spark had the idea of towing a large mat made of chain (chain matrix) just in front of the beam. This ploughed the bottom much deeper than the chain on the beam trawl itself and considerably boosted catches.
However the environmental damage was far worse and areas where they had been used were taking years to recover.
So, back to us trying to ban them in our area.
Our scientific advisers were telling us that this kind of fishing was unsustainable, especially in Liverpool bay, and parts of the bay was looking like a ploughed field with very little regeneration. I would add that at that time most of the boats using this method were Dutch and Spanish.
We agreed to the ban, but like everything else, had to be passed on to MAFF.
MAFF refused to rule one way or another and passed it up to Brussels.
Do I really need to tell you the answer?
To the best of my knowledge this method is still being used for flat fish (and almost certainly Scallops) to this day.
"
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"What's Nigel's position on dredged scallops versus hand caught?
I will ask him when I next see him.
So he discussed scallop fishing yet didn't mention the ecological disaster created by dredging.Hes useless.
Much like his time as an mep while a member of the influential European parliament fisheries committee ,over three years, he turned up to one of 42 meetings.
I do actually have some first hand experience on the dredging issue.
Many years ago I sat on a fisheries committee that tried to ban the use of "chain matrix" in our area.
Just for the ones who don't know much about beam trawling I will, briefly, explain what a chain matrix, and its relationship with a beam trawl actually is.
A beam trawl, as opposed to a door trawl, is fished hard on the bottom and is favoured when fishing on a flat sandy seabed.
The beam itself carries the upper part of the net and sits just above the bottom. It is supported by what are known as shoes which, for want of a better expression, ski along the bottom. The lower half of the net is also connected to the shoes and has a heavy chain which dredges the bottom, and its main purpose is to catch flat fish (Plaice, Sole Etc.) that can be just under the sand.
Beam trawls have been used for decades (if not centuries) and, although not perfect, the environmental damage they caused was minimal.
Then some bright spark had the idea of towing a large mat made of chain (chain matrix) just in front of the beam. This ploughed the bottom much deeper than the chain on the beam trawl itself and considerably boosted catches.
However the environmental damage was far worse and areas where they had been used were taking years to recover.
So, back to us trying to ban them in our area.
Our scientific advisers were telling us that this kind of fishing was unsustainable, especially in Liverpool bay, and parts of the bay was looking like a ploughed field with very little regeneration. I would add that at that time most of the boats using this method were Dutch and Spanish.
We agreed to the ban, but like everything else, had to be passed on to MAFF.
MAFF refused to rule one way or another and passed it up to Brussels.
Do I really need to tell you the answer?
To the best of my knowledge this method is still being used for flat fish (and almost certainly Scallops) to this day.
"
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"What's Nigel's position on dredged scallops versus hand caught?
I will ask him when I next see him.
So he discussed scallop fishing yet didn't mention the ecological disaster created by dredging.Hes useless.
Much like his time as an mep while a member of the influential European parliament fisheries committee ,over three years, he turned up to one of 42 meetings.
I do actually have some first hand experience on the dredging issue.
Many years ago I sat on a fisheries committee that tried to ban the use of "chain matrix" in our area.
Just for the ones who don't know much about beam trawling I will, briefly, explain what a chain matrix, and its relationship with a beam trawl actually is.
A beam trawl, as opposed to a door trawl, is fished hard on the bottom and is favoured when fishing on a flat sandy seabed.
The beam itself carries the upper part of the net and sits just above the bottom. It is supported by what are known as shoes which, for want of a better expression, ski along the bottom. The lower half of the net is also connected to the shoes and has a heavy chain which dredges the bottom, and its main purpose is to catch flat fish (Plaice, Sole Etc.) that can be just under the sand.
Beam trawls have been used for decades (if not centuries) and, although not perfect, the environmental damage they caused was minimal.
Then some bright spark had the idea of towing a large mat made of chain (chain matrix) just in front of the beam. This ploughed the bottom much deeper than the chain on the beam trawl itself and considerably boosted catches.
However the environmental damage was far worse and areas where they had been used were taking years to recover.
So, back to us trying to ban them in our area.
Our scientific advisers were telling us that this kind of fishing was unsustainable, especially in Liverpool bay, and parts of the bay was looking like a ploughed field with very little regeneration. I would add that at that time most of the boats using this method were Dutch and Spanish.
We agreed to the ban, but like everything else, had to be passed on to MAFF.
MAFF refused to rule one way or another and passed it up to Brussels.
Do I really need to tell you the answer?
To the best of my knowledge this method is still being used for flat fish (and almost certainly Scallops) to this day.
"
Scallops are not caught with beam trawls - they are caught with scallop dredges and it is true that the teeth on these heavy bits of gear do damage the seabed habitats and other non-target organisms. Heavy chain mats on beam trawls are mainly now used in the sole fisheries mainly in the southern North Sea but even there are largely being replaced with electropulse trawls - however despite these being probably less damaging to the seabed there are arguments about their overall impacts.
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Nobody comes out of this well
The French fisherman, while frustrated, are not acting legally
The authorities (French and brits?) for not enforcing the law
The French and British government for finding an agreement this time and (in guessing) using this as a pawn in the wider game (or allowing the wider negotiations get in the way here)
The Britain’s farmers, for looking to fill their boots (boats) at the first opportunity.
Because there does seem to be an issue here, hence the French law, hence the agreements which are usually in place. |
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"What's Nigel's position on dredged scallops versus hand caught?
I will ask him when I next see him.
So he discussed scallop fishing yet didn't mention the ecological disaster created by dredging.Hes useless.
Much like his time as an mep while a member of the influential European parliament fisheries committee ,over three years, he turned up to one of 42 meetings.
I do actually have some first hand experience on the dredging issue.
Many years ago I sat on a fisheries committee that tried to ban the use of "chain matrix" in our area.
Just for the ones who don't know much about beam trawling I will, briefly, explain what a chain matrix, and its relationship with a beam trawl actually is.
A beam trawl, as opposed to a door trawl, is fished hard on the bottom and is favoured when fishing on a flat sandy seabed.
The beam itself carries the upper part of the net and sits just above the bottom. It is supported by what are known as shoes which, for want of a better expression, ski along the bottom. The lower half of the net is also connected to the shoes and has a heavy chain which dredges the bottom, and its main purpose is to catch flat fish (Plaice, Sole Etc.) that can be just under the sand.
Beam trawls have been used for decades (if not centuries) and, although not perfect, the environmental damage they caused was minimal.
Then some bright spark had the idea of towing a large mat made of chain (chain matrix) just in front of the beam. This ploughed the bottom much deeper than the chain on the beam trawl itself and considerably boosted catches.
However the environmental damage was far worse and areas where they had been used were taking years to recover.
So, back to us trying to ban them in our area.
Our scientific advisers were telling us that this kind of fishing was unsustainable, especially in Liverpool bay, and parts of the bay was looking like a ploughed field with very little regeneration. I would add that at that time most of the boats using this method were Dutch and Spanish.
We agreed to the ban, but like everything else, had to be passed on to MAFF.
MAFF refused to rule one way or another and passed it up to Brussels.
Do I really need to tell you the answer?
To the best of my knowledge this method is still being used for flat fish (and almost certainly Scallops) to this day.
Why wouldn't MAFF make a decision - is it not their responsibility? "
Apparently (at the time) not.
It was nearly 30 years ago but as I remember it our people argued that it was the responsibility of MAFF. The reasons given (again as I remember) were pretty vague but the general consensus was that MAFF bottled it and sending it to Brussels was their way of kicking it into the long grass.
However it doesn't alter the fact that Brussels refused to allow it. |
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"What's Nigel's position on dredged scallops versus hand caught?
I will ask him when I next see him.
So he discussed scallop fishing yet didn't mention the ecological disaster created by dredging.Hes useless.
Much like his time as an mep while a member of the influential European parliament fisheries committee ,over three years, he turned up to one of 42 meetings.
I do actually have some first hand experience on the dredging issue.
Many years ago I sat on a fisheries committee that tried to ban the use of "chain matrix" in our area.
Just for the ones who don't know much about beam trawling I will, briefly, explain what a chain matrix, and its relationship with a beam trawl actually is.
A beam trawl, as opposed to a door trawl, is fished hard on the bottom and is favoured when fishing on a flat sandy seabed.
The beam itself carries the upper part of the net and sits just above the bottom. It is supported by what are known as shoes which, for want of a better expression, ski along the bottom. The lower half of the net is also connected to the shoes and has a heavy chain which dredges the bottom, and its main purpose is to catch flat fish (Plaice, Sole Etc.) that can be just under the sand.
Beam trawls have been used for decades (if not centuries) and, although not perfect, the environmental damage they caused was minimal.
Then some bright spark had the idea of towing a large mat made of chain (chain matrix) just in front of the beam. This ploughed the bottom much deeper than the chain on the beam trawl itself and considerably boosted catches.
However the environmental damage was far worse and areas where they had been used were taking years to recover.
So, back to us trying to ban them in our area.
Our scientific advisers were telling us that this kind of fishing was unsustainable, especially in Liverpool bay, and parts of the bay was looking like a ploughed field with very little regeneration. I would add that at that time most of the boats using this method were Dutch and Spanish.
We agreed to the ban, but like everything else, had to be passed on to MAFF.
MAFF refused to rule one way or another and passed it up to Brussels.
Do I really need to tell you the answer?
To the best of my knowledge this method is still being used for flat fish (and almost certainly Scallops) to this day.
Scallops are not caught with beam trawls - they are caught with scallop dredges and it is true that the teeth on these heavy bits of gear do damage the seabed habitats and other non-target organisms. Heavy chain mats on beam trawls are mainly now used in the sole fisheries mainly in the southern North Sea but even there are largely being replaced with electropulse trawls - however despite these being probably less damaging to the seabed there are arguments about their overall impacts.
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OK I will stand corrected on Scallops (never fished for them)
I used to skipper a charter fishing boat and occasionally would help out a friend on his inshore trawler (he used a door trawl) Then (for my sins) got involved in the political side of fishing.
Nice to know that after all these years that chain matrix are finally being phased out. |
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"What's Nigel's position on dredged scallops versus hand caught?
I will ask him when I next see him.
So he discussed scallop fishing yet didn't mention the ecological disaster created by dredging.Hes useless.
Much like his time as an mep while a member of the influential European parliament fisheries committee ,over three years, he turned up to one of 42 meetings.
I do actually have some first hand experience on the dredging issue.
Many years ago I sat on a fisheries committee that tried to ban the use of "chain matrix" in our area.
Just for the ones who don't know much about beam trawling I will, briefly, explain what a chain matrix, and its relationship with a beam trawl actually is.
A beam trawl, as opposed to a door trawl, is fished hard on the bottom and is favoured when fishing on a flat sandy seabed.
The beam itself carries the upper part of the net and sits just above the bottom. It is supported by what are known as shoes which, for want of a better expression, ski along the bottom. The lower half of the net is also connected to the shoes and has a heavy chain which dredges the bottom, and its main purpose is to catch flat fish (Plaice, Sole Etc.) that can be just under the sand.
Beam trawls have been used for decades (if not centuries) and, although not perfect, the environmental damage they caused was minimal.
Then some bright spark had the idea of towing a large mat made of chain (chain matrix) just in front of the beam. This ploughed the bottom much deeper than the chain on the beam trawl itself and considerably boosted catches.
However the environmental damage was far worse and areas where they had been used were taking years to recover.
So, back to us trying to ban them in our area.
Our scientific advisers were telling us that this kind of fishing was unsustainable, especially in Liverpool bay, and parts of the bay was looking like a ploughed field with very little regeneration. I would add that at that time most of the boats using this method were Dutch and Spanish.
We agreed to the ban, but like everything else, had to be passed on to MAFF.
MAFF refused to rule one way or another and passed it up to Brussels.
Do I really need to tell you the answer?
To the best of my knowledge this method is still being used for flat fish (and almost certainly Scallops) to this day.
Why wouldn't MAFF make a decision - is it not their responsibility?
Apparently (at the time) not.
It was nearly 30 years ago but as I remember it our people argued that it was the responsibility of MAFF. The reasons given (again as I remember) were pretty vague but the general consensus was that MAFF bottled it and sending it to Brussels was their way of kicking it into the long grass.
However it doesn't alter the fact that Brussels refused to allow it."
Ah ok so when it comes to a difficult decision let someone else take the blame. There are going to be lots of difficult decisions to make - who will they blame then? |
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"What's Nigel's position on dredged scallops versus hand caught?
I will ask him when I next see him.
So he discussed scallop fishing yet didn't mention the ecological disaster created by dredging.Hes useless.
Much like his time as an mep while a member of the influential European parliament fisheries committee ,over three years, he turned up to one of 42 meetings.
I do actually have some first hand experience on the dredging issue.
Many years ago I sat on a fisheries committee that tried to ban the use of "chain matrix" in our area.
Just for the ones who don't know much about beam trawling I will, briefly, explain what a chain matrix, and its relationship with a beam trawl actually is.
A beam trawl, as opposed to a door trawl, is fished hard on the bottom and is favoured when fishing on a flat sandy seabed.
The beam itself carries the upper part of the net and sits just above the bottom. It is supported by what are known as shoes which, for want of a better expression, ski along the bottom. The lower half of the net is also connected to the shoes and has a heavy chain which dredges the bottom, and its main purpose is to catch flat fish (Plaice, Sole Etc.) that can be just under the sand.
Beam trawls have been used for decades (if not centuries) and, although not perfect, the environmental damage they caused was minimal.
Then some bright spark had the idea of towing a large mat made of chain (chain matrix) just in front of the beam. This ploughed the bottom much deeper than the chain on the beam trawl itself and considerably boosted catches.
However the environmental damage was far worse and areas where they had been used were taking years to recover.
So, back to us trying to ban them in our area.
Our scientific advisers were telling us that this kind of fishing was unsustainable, especially in Liverpool bay, and parts of the bay was looking like a ploughed field with very little regeneration. I would add that at that time most of the boats using this method were Dutch and Spanish.
We agreed to the ban, but like everything else, had to be passed on to MAFF.
MAFF refused to rule one way or another and passed it up to Brussels.
Do I really need to tell you the answer?
To the best of my knowledge this method is still being used for flat fish (and almost certainly Scallops) to this day.
Why wouldn't MAFF make a decision - is it not their responsibility?
Apparently (at the time) not.
It was nearly 30 years ago but as I remember it our people argued that it was the responsibility of MAFF. The reasons given (again as I remember) were pretty vague but the general consensus was that MAFF bottled it and sending it to Brussels was their way of kicking it into the long grass.
However it doesn't alter the fact that Brussels refused to allow it.
Ah ok so when it comes to a difficult decision let someone else take the blame. There are going to be lots of difficult decisions to make - who will they blame then?"
Maybe they will get off their fat arses and get on with doing what they are paid for. |
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"There ya go it’s all the British fishermen’s fault
Yep, in this case it is. Having over dredged all he UK and open water banks leaving only adolescent scallops they are now moving in on the French scallop grounds that are closed to the French Scallop dredgers by French law because English law says they can.
Remember the first and second cod wars? They were caused by the same greedy English fishermen using English law to justify destroying others fishing grounds because English law says they can after they fucked their own fishing grounds.
Come 30 March next year if the scallop dredgers try this on again they will find that the French navy will take action and the English fishing fleet will be the target."
If the French navy are stupid enough to fire upon British vessels, then the British navy will have to get involved. Then the French will have to Surrender, as per usual. |
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If the French navy are stupid enough to fire upon British vessels, then the British navy will have to get involved."
What British Navy?
We now have to use an inshore minesweeper to escort Russian aircraft carrier flotillas through the North Sea and English Channel. |
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"There ya go it’s all the British fishermen’s fault
Yep, in this case it is. Having over dredged all he UK and open water banks leaving only adolescent scallops they are now moving in on the French scallop grounds that are closed to the French Scallop dredgers by French law because English law says they can.
Remember the first and second cod wars? They were caused by the same greedy English fishermen using English law to justify destroying others fishing grounds because English law says they can after they fucked their own fishing grounds.
Come 30 March next year if the scallop dredgers try this on again they will find that the French navy will take action and the English fishing fleet will be the target.
If the French navy are stupid enough to fire upon British vessels, then the British navy will have to get involved. Then the French will have to Surrender, as per usual."
Sadly not.
Nelson could put his telescope to his good eye when looking at today's Royal Navy and still say "I see no ships"
And yes I do know he really said signal. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"There ya go it’s all the British fishermen’s fault
Yep, in this case it is. Having over dredged all he UK and open water banks leaving only adolescent scallops they are now moving in on the French scallop grounds that are closed to the French Scallop dredgers by French law because English law says they can.
Remember the first and second cod wars? They were caused by the same greedy English fishermen using English law to justify destroying others fishing grounds because English law says they can after they fucked their own fishing grounds.
Come 30 March next year if the scallop dredgers try this on again they will find that the French navy will take action and the English fishing fleet will be the target.
If the French navy are stupid enough to fire upon British vessels, then the British navy will have to get involved. Then the French will have to Surrender, as per usual."
You want 2 NATO allies shooting at each other? |
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"There ya go it’s all the British fishermen’s fault
Yep, in this case it is. Having over dredged all he UK and open water banks leaving only adolescent scallops they are now moving in on the French scallop grounds that are closed to the French Scallop dredgers by French law because English law says they can.
Remember the first and second cod wars? They were caused by the same greedy English fishermen using English law to justify destroying others fishing grounds because English law says they can after they fucked their own fishing grounds.
Come 30 March next year if the scallop dredgers try this on again they will find that the French navy will take action and the English fishing fleet will be the target.
If the French navy are stupid enough to fire upon British vessels, then the British navy will have to get involved. Then the French will have to Surrender, as per usual.
You want 2 NATO allies shooting at each other? "
Over fucking scallops!! We need to return to seasonal eating then we wouldn't feel the need to plunder other people's waters when they are attempting to replenish stocks. It is just bloody rude! Can you imagine if the French came over to machine gun our game birds while it wasn't shooting season?!? |
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"I know so rude I mean 35 French boats ramming 5 uk boats us brits are so rude how dare we lol"
Not the best behaviour, but I can understand their frustration, for sure! Doesn't make the British fishermen any less rude tho does it? Retaliation does not negate the original action |
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"I know so rude I mean 35 French boats ramming 5 uk boats us brits are so rude how dare we lol
Not the best behaviour, but I can understand their frustration, for sure! Doesn't make the British fishermen any less rude tho does it? Retaliation does not negate the original action"
what was the retaliation from the brits then what are they supposed to do they weren’t fishing illegally |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"I know so rude I mean 35 French boats ramming 5 uk boats us brits are so rude how dare we lol"
If the British were fishing legally (which I believe they were) then the French shouldn't get in their way. They were in the wrong for what they did, but we are talking about civilian fishermen and minor damage to a few boats. People suggesting that this should escalate to a hot war between 2 nuclear powers who are long standing allies is quite frankly nuts. |
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"I know so rude I mean 35 French boats ramming 5 uk boats us brits are so rude how dare we lol
Not the best behaviour, but I can understand their frustration, for sure! Doesn't make the British fishermen any less rude tho does it? Retaliation does not negate the original action what was the retaliation from the brits then what are they supposed to do they weren’t fishing illegally "
Just because it wasn't illegal doesn't make it ok! They knew the reason the french have their no fishing rule at that time, being legal is a shitty excuse for many things, this included |
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Maybe the French should come over and do the same to the waters our government have designated no fishing zones to allow our fish stocks to recover. I hear that the big French deepsea fishing boats makes ours look like toys (a bit like whats going on now but in reverse).
What would you all think if they did that? |
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By *omaMan
over a year ago
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"Will we be allowed to fish those waters at all after Brexit? "
I've heard/read that this area is in International Waters so anyone can legally fish there, whether in or outside the EU |
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"Will we be allowed to fish those waters at all after Brexit?
I've heard/read that this area is in International Waters so anyone can legally fish there, whether in or outside the EU "
No international waters are outside the 200 nm EEZ limit - these waters are within the French EEZ which in the Channel runs upto the median line with the UK. But these waters come under the CFP i.e.they are treated as a common pooled resource for EU fisheries purposes so if UK vessels have sufficient quota they are quite legal to fish there. The problem is the French have a national closed season in their waters but that doesn't apply to the UK vessels because the French closed season is not a CFP rule. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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Who will actually respond to the question:
What would your reaction be if large French ships came and fished legally in British waters during a closed season that everyone traditionally observed?
What if British fishermen took direct action in the same way?
Would you condemn them outright or would you disapprove of their actions but understand their motivation? |
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"Who will actually respond to the question:
What would your reaction be if large French ships came and fished legally in British waters during a closed season that everyone traditionally observed?
What if British fishermen took direct action in the same way?
Would you condemn them outright or would you disapprove of their actions but understand their motivation?"
what would your reaction be if 35 British boats attacked 5 French boats ? |
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over a year ago
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"Who will actually respond to the question:
What would your reaction be if large French ships came and fished legally in British waters during a closed season that everyone traditionally observed?
What if British fishermen took direct action in the same way?
Would you condemn them outright or would you disapprove of their actions but understand their motivation? what would your reaction be if 35 British boats attacked 5 French boats ?"
Under the same circumstances I'd have the same opinion. The law says that they shouldn't and it is dangerous and stupid. As the other boats are bigger it would indicate to me that they must feel strongly to take that risk.
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"Who will actually respond to the question:
What would your reaction be if large French ships came and fished legally in British waters during a closed season that everyone traditionally observed?
What if British fishermen took direct action in the same way?
Would you condemn them outright or would you disapprove of their actions but understand their motivation?"
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I'm guessing the British would do that always do when somebody abides by the law but we disagree with them, fuck all but moan a bit.
The French regardless of whether it's illegal or not are likely to kick off and set fire to stuff (Revolution is part of their culture) also there a bunch of untrustworthy shitbags who are massively racist, xenophobic and anti-Semitic.
The major difference being the British would prosecute the offenders and the French will do fuck all and silently pat them on the back. |
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"Will we be allowed to fish those waters at all after Brexit?
I've heard/read that this area is in International Waters so anyone can legally fish there, whether in or outside the EU
No international waters are outside the 200 nm EEZ limit - these waters are within the French EEZ which in the Channel runs upto the median line with the UK. But these waters come under the CFP i.e.they are treated as a common pooled resource for EU fisheries purposes so if UK vessels have sufficient quota they are quite legal to fish there. The problem is the French have a national closed season in their waters but that doesn't apply to the UK vessels because the French closed season is not a CFP rule."
Under EU law for EU member states any EU member states boats can legally fish 12 miles off the french coast (apart from France as their own domestic law doesn't allow french boats to fish that area during certain part of the year). UK boats were fishing beyond the 12 mile coast limit and so were fishing perfectly legally. The French fishermen were behaving like Somali pirates and should be fully prosecuted under EU law (although I won't be holding my breath for this to happen any time soon if at all). |
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By *asyukMan
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"Will we be allowed to fish those waters at all after Brexit?
I've heard/read that this area is in International Waters so anyone can legally fish there, whether in or outside the EU
No international waters are outside the 200 nm EEZ limit - these waters are within the French EEZ which in the Channel runs upto the median line with the UK. But these waters come under the CFP i.e.they are treated as a common pooled resource for EU fisheries purposes so if UK vessels have sufficient quota they are quite legal to fish there. The problem is the French have a national closed season in their waters but that doesn't apply to the UK vessels because the French closed season is not a CFP rule.
Under EU law for EU member states any EU member states boats can legally fish 12 miles off the french coast (apart from France as their own domestic law doesn't allow french boats to fish that area during certain part of the year). UK boats were fishing beyond the 12 mile coast limit and so were fishing perfectly legally. The French fishermen were behaving like Somali pirates and should be fully prosecuted under EU law (although I won't be holding my breath for this to happen any time soon if at all). "
What would your reaction be if large French ships came and fished legally in British waters during a closed season that everyone traditionally observed?
What if British fishermen took direct action in the same way?
Would you condemn them outright or would you disapprove of their actions but understand their motivation? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"Who will actually respond to the question:
What would your reaction be if large French ships came and fished legally in British waters during a closed season that everyone traditionally observed?
What if British fishermen took direct action in the same way?
Would you condemn them outright or would you disapprove of their actions but understand their motivation?.
I'm guessing the British would do that always do when somebody abides by the law but we disagree with them, fuck all but moan a bit.
The French regardless of whether it's illegal or not are likely to kick off and set fire to stuff (Revolution is part of their culture) also there a bunch of untrustworthy shitbags who are massively racist, xenophobic and anti-Semitic.
The major difference being the British would prosecute the offenders and the French will do fuck all and silently pat them on the back."
That wasn't actually the question was it?
What if it was the same situation reversed?
The French are xenophobic and how exactly does your post indicate that you and we the British are not?
My recollection may be hazy but the miners did not roll their eyes and tut their shoulders when the coal mines were legally shut down did they?
Are you saying that the British are spineless and don't stand up for themselves? Easily bullied and pushed around? |
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"Who will actually respond to the question:
What would your reaction be if large French ships came and fished legally in British waters during a closed season that everyone traditionally observed?
What if British fishermen took direct action in the same way?
Would you condemn them outright or would you disapprove of their actions but understand their motivation?.
I'm guessing the British would do that always do when somebody abides by the law but we disagree with them, fuck all but moan a bit.
The French regardless of whether it's illegal or not are likely to kick off and set fire to stuff (Revolution is part of their culture) also there a bunch of untrustworthy shitbags who are massively racist, xenophobic and anti-Semitic.
The major difference being the British would prosecute the offenders and the French will do fuck all and silently pat them on the back.
That wasn't actually the question was it?
What if it was the same situation reversed?
The French are xenophobic and how exactly does your post indicate that you and we the British are not?
My recollection may be hazy but the miners did not roll their eyes and tut their shoulders when the coal mines were legally shut down did they?
Are you saying that the British are spineless and don't stand up for themselves? Easily bullied and pushed around?"
I didn't read what he said like that at all. I interpreted it as the British respect the rule of law and the French clearly do not.
Do you see respecting the rule of law to somehow be cowardly? Are you implying that people who respect the rule of law are spineless???  |
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"Who will actually respond to the question:
What would your reaction be if large French ships came and fished legally in British waters during a closed season that everyone traditionally observed?
What if British fishermen took direct action in the same way?
Would you condemn them outright or would you disapprove of their actions but understand their motivation? what would your reaction be if 35 British boats attacked 5 French boats ?
Under the same circumstances I'd have the same opinion. The law says that they shouldn't and it is dangerous and stupid. As the other boats are bigger it would indicate to me that they must feel strongly to take that risk.
Your turn."
if it was the British I’d think the same way that it’s fucking stupid why endanger the lives of ppl who are trying to make a living doing the same job as they are I think the French should of took it up woth there own government rather than risk lives at sea |
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"Who will actually respond to the question:
What would your reaction be if large French ships came and fished legally in British waters during a closed season that everyone traditionally observed?
What if British fishermen took direct action in the same way?
Would you condemn them outright or would you disapprove of their actions but understand their motivation?.
I'm guessing the British would do that always do when somebody abides by the law but we disagree with them, fuck all but moan a bit.
The French regardless of whether it's illegal or not are likely to kick off and set fire to stuff (Revolution is part of their culture) also there a bunch of untrustworthy shitbags who are massively racist, xenophobic and anti-Semitic.
The major difference being the British would prosecute the offenders and the French will do fuck all and silently pat them on the back.
That wasn't actually the question was it?
What if it was the same situation reversed?
The French are xenophobic and how exactly does your post indicate that you and we the British are not?
My recollection may be hazy but the miners did not roll their eyes and tut their shoulders when the coal mines were legally shut down did they?
Are you saying that the British are spineless and don't stand up for themselves? Easily bullied and pushed around?"
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Go live there for awhile, see what your personal findings are, I did and I gave them.
You asked a question I answered it. |
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"Who will actually respond to the question:
What would your reaction be if large French ships came and fished legally in British waters during a closed season that everyone traditionally observed?
What if British fishermen took direct action in the same way?
Would you condemn them outright or would you disapprove of their actions but understand their motivation?.
I'm guessing the British would do that always do when somebody abides by the law but we disagree with them, fuck all but moan a bit.
The French regardless of whether it's illegal or not are likely to kick off and set fire to stuff (Revolution is part of their culture) also there a bunch of untrustworthy shitbags who are massively racist, xenophobic and anti-Semitic.
The major difference being the British would prosecute the offenders and the French will do fuck all and silently pat them on the back.
That wasn't actually the question was it?
What if it was the same situation reversed?
The French are xenophobic and how exactly does your post indicate that you and we the British are not?
My recollection may be hazy but the miners did not roll their eyes and tut their shoulders when the coal mines were legally shut down did they?
Are you saying that the British are spineless and don't stand up for themselves? Easily bullied and pushed around?.
Go live there for awhile, see what your personal findings are, I did and I gave them.
You asked a question I answered it."
You'll find that when Easyuk doesn't like an answer he just continues to ask the same question over and over, lol. It's his bog standard way of dealing with things in here. Bless. |
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The furious French fisher folk plan to continue this protest.I hope our brave British fisher folk would do the same to protect our native species from plunder from foreign interlopers on seasonal ground. |
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" Why? The French Navy has nothing to do with the EU. Fishing rights however do. So if you really cared about UK fishermen being able to fish those waters, you would want the UK to remain in the EU."
Are you having a Larf? UK remaining in the EU, stuff that we will be so much better off out of it!
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"Who will actually respond to the question:
What would your reaction be if large French ships came and fished legally in British waters during a closed season that everyone traditionally observed?
What if British fishermen took direct action in the same way?
Would you condemn them outright or would you disapprove of their actions but understand their motivation?.
I'm guessing the British would do that always do when somebody abides by the law but we disagree with them, fuck all but moan a bit.
The French regardless of whether it's illegal or not are likely to kick off and set fire to stuff (Revolution is part of their culture) also there a bunch of untrustworthy shitbags who are massively racist, xenophobic and anti-Semitic.
The major difference being the British would prosecute the offenders and the French will do fuck all and silently pat them on the back.
That wasn't actually the question was it?
What if it was the same situation reversed?
The French are xenophobic and how exactly does your post indicate that you and we the British are not?
My recollection may be hazy but the miners did not roll their eyes and tut their shoulders when the coal mines were legally shut down did they?
Are you saying that the British are spineless and don't stand up for themselves? Easily bullied and pushed around?
I didn't read what he said like that at all. I interpreted it as the British respect the rule of law and the French clearly do not.
Do you see respecting the rule of law to somehow be cowardly? Are you implying that people who respect the rule of law are spineless??? "
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" Over fucking scallops!! We need to return to seasonal eating then we wouldn't feel the need to plunder other people's waters when they are attempting to replenish stocks. It is just bloody rude! Can you imagine if the French came over to machine gun our game birds while it wasn't shooting season?!? "
Are you really for real?
Whilst we are in the EU everyone except the UK are plundering our own waters!
Whatever we think about it, the British were not breaking any laws.
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By *asyukMan
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" Over fucking scallops!! We need to return to seasonal eating then we wouldn't feel the need to plunder other people's waters when they are attempting to replenish stocks. It is just bloody rude! Can you imagine if the French came over to machine gun our game birds while it wasn't shooting season?!?
Are you really for real?
Whilst we are in the EU everyone except the UK are plundering our won waters!
Whatever we think about it, the British were not breaking any laws.
Wake up and smell the Coffee!"
Did UK fishermen sell their licences? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"Who will actually respond to the question:
What would your reaction be if large French ships came and fished legally in British waters during a closed season that everyone traditionally observed?
What if British fishermen took direct action in the same way?
Would you condemn them outright or would you disapprove of their actions but understand their motivation?.
I'm guessing the British would do that always do when somebody abides by the law but we disagree with them, fuck all but moan a bit.
The French regardless of whether it's illegal or not are likely to kick off and set fire to stuff (Revolution is part of their culture) also there a bunch of untrustworthy shitbags who are massively racist, xenophobic and anti-Semitic.
The major difference being the British would prosecute the offenders and the French will do fuck all and silently pat them on the back.
That wasn't actually the question was it?
What if it was the same situation reversed?
The French are xenophobic and how exactly does your post indicate that you and we the British are not?
My recollection may be hazy but the miners did not roll their eyes and tut their shoulders when the coal mines were legally shut down did they?
Are you saying that the British are spineless and don't stand up for themselves? Easily bullied and pushed around?.
Go live there for awhile, see what your personal findings are, I did and I gave them.
You asked a question I answered it.
You'll find that when Easyuk doesn't like an answer he just continues to ask the same question over and over, lol. It's his bog standard way of dealing with things in here. Bless. "
Actually I ask the question until it is actually answered.
The questions were:
"What would your reaction be if large French ships came and fished legally in British waters during a closed season that everyone traditionally observed?
What if British fishermen took direct action in the same way?"
I did not ask:
"What would you imagine would happen if large French ships came and fished legally in British waters during a closed season that everyone traditionally observed?"
They are quite different questions. The clue is in the words.
Here's one you haven't answered for several years.
Did British fishermen sell their fishing rights? |
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There is not really a question to answer as such!
The British were attempting to fish perfectly legally in International Waters.
The French were attempting to stop this. The French should have taken the issue up with whoever banned them from Fishing, not the innocent British!
To touch on another of your questions; the EU are currently plundering British waters on a daily basis, whilst our own industry is almost dead!
I believe after Brexit we get our waters back and can prevent them from being plundered by foreigners!
Rule Brittania. |
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over a year ago
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"There is not really a question to answer as such!
The British were attempting to fish perfectly legally in International Waters.
The French were attempting to stop this. The French should have taken the issue up with whoever banned them from Fishing, not the innocent British!
To touch on another of your questions; the EU are currently plundering British waters on a daily basis, whilst our own industry is almost dead!
I believe after Brexit we get our waters back and can prevent them from being plundered by foreigners!
Rule Brittania."
What would your reaction be if large French ships came and fished legally in British waters during a closed season that everyone traditionally observed?
What if British fishermen took direct action in the same way?
Did British fishermen sell their rights over the course of the last 40 years? Do you think that changes because we leave the EU? |
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"There ya go it’s all the British fishermen’s fault
Yep, in this case it is. Having over dredged all he UK and open water banks leaving only adolescent scallops they are now moving in on the French scallop grounds that are closed to the French Scallop dredgers by French law because English law says they can.
Remember the first and second cod wars? They were caused by the same greedy English fishermen using English law to justify destroying others fishing grounds because English law says they can after they fucked their own fishing grounds.
Come 30 March next year if the scallop dredgers try this on again they will find that the French navy will take action and the English fishing fleet will be the target.
If the French navy are stupid enough to fire upon British vessels, then the British navy will have to get involved. Then the French will have to Surrender, as per usual.
You want 2 NATO allies shooting at each other? "
No, but if they fire on any of our ships we have to return fire. I’d pull the trigger myself tbh. |
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"There is not really a question to answer as such!
The British were attempting to fish perfectly legally in International Waters.
The French were attempting to stop this. The French should have taken the issue up with whoever banned them from Fishing, not the innocent British!
To touch on another of your questions; the EU are currently plundering British waters on a daily basis, whilst our own industry is almost dead!
I believe after Brexit we get our waters back and can prevent them from being plundered by foreigners!
Rule Brittania."
Too bloody right! |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"There is not really a question to answer as such!
The British were attempting to fish perfectly legally in International Waters.
The French were attempting to stop this. The French should have taken the issue up with whoever banned them from Fishing, not the innocent British!
To touch on another of your questions; the EU are currently plundering British waters on a daily basis, whilst our own industry is almost dead!
I believe after Brexit we get our waters back and can prevent them from being plundered by foreigners!
Rule Brittania.
Too bloody right!"
What would your reaction be if large French ships came and fished legally in British waters during a closed season that everyone traditionally observed?
What if British fishermen took direct action in the same way?
Did British fishermen sell their rights over the course of the last 40 years? Do you think that changes because we leave the EU? |
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"There is not really a question to answer as such!
The British were attempting to fish perfectly legally in International Waters.
The French were attempting to stop this. The French should have taken the issue up with whoever banned them from Fishing, not the innocent British!
To touch on another of your questions; the EU are currently plundering British waters on a daily basis, whilst our own industry is almost dead!
I believe after Brexit we get our waters back and can prevent them from being plundered by foreigners!
Rule Brittania.
Too bloody right!
What would your reaction be if large French ships came and fished legally in British waters during a closed season that everyone traditionally observed?
What if British fishermen took direct action in the same way?
Did British fishermen sell their rights over the course of the last 40 years? Do you think that changes because we leave the EU?"
French, and moreso Spanish ships have been overfishing British waters for decades now. When we leave the EU they can fuck right off, if our fishermen need support, then I’m one of many who would volunteer. But the reality is, it should be the Royal Navy. |
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By *asyukMan
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"There is not really a question to answer as such!
The British were attempting to fish perfectly legally in International Waters.
The French were attempting to stop this. The French should have taken the issue up with whoever banned them from Fishing, not the innocent British!
To touch on another of your questions; the EU are currently plundering British waters on a daily basis, whilst our own industry is almost dead!
I believe after Brexit we get our waters back and can prevent them from being plundered by foreigners!
Rule Brittania.
Too bloody right!
What would your reaction be if large French ships came and fished legally in British waters during a closed season that everyone traditionally observed?
What if British fishermen took direct action in the same way?
Did British fishermen sell their rights over the course of the last 40 years? Do you think that changes because we leave the EU?
French, and moreso Spanish ships have been overfishing British waters for decades now. When we leave the EU they can fuck right off, if our fishermen need support, then I’m one of many who would volunteer. But the reality is, it should be the Royal Navy."
Shall we try that again?
What would your reaction be if large French ships came and fished legally in British waters during a closed season that everyone traditionally observed?
What if British fishermen took direct action in the same way?
Did British fishermen sell their rights over the course of the last 40 years? Do you think that changes because we leave the EU? |
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"There is not really a question to answer as such!
The British were attempting to fish perfectly legally in International Waters.
The French were attempting to stop this. The French should have taken the issue up with whoever banned them from Fishing, not the innocent British!
To touch on another of your questions; the EU are currently plundering British waters on a daily basis, whilst our own industry is almost dead!
I believe after Brexit we get our waters back and can prevent them from being plundered by foreigners!
Rule Brittania.
Too bloody right!
What would your reaction be if large French ships came and fished legally in British waters during a closed season that everyone traditionally observed?
What if British fishermen took direct action in the same way?
Did British fishermen sell their rights over the course of the last 40 years? Do you think that changes because we leave the EU?
French, and moreso Spanish ships have been overfishing British waters for decades now. When we leave the EU they can fuck right off, if our fishermen need support, then I’m one of many who would volunteer. But the reality is, it should be the Royal Navy.
Shall we try that again?
What would your reaction be if large French ships came and fished legally in British waters during a closed season that everyone traditionally observed?
What if British fishermen took direct action in the same way?
Did British fishermen sell their rights over the course of the last 40 years? Do you think that changes because we leave the EU?"
Once we have left the EU I would expect any of their ships fishing in our waters to be repelled with whatever force is needed.
I don’t believe that our fishermen themselves sold any of their rights over the last four decades. I don’t even believe we had any proper rights, as the EU took control of all our waters. So all our old territories should be restored after we leave that stinking federation. |
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"There is not really a question to answer as such!
The British were attempting to fish perfectly legally in International Waters.
The French were attempting to stop this. The French should have taken the issue up with whoever banned them from Fishing, not the innocent British!
To touch on another of your questions; the EU are currently plundering British waters on a daily basis, whilst our own industry is almost dead!
I believe after Brexit we get our waters back and can prevent them from being plundered by foreigners!
Rule Brittania.
Too bloody right!
What would your reaction be if large French ships came and fished legally in British waters during a closed season that everyone traditionally observed?
What if British fishermen took direct action in the same way?
Did British fishermen sell their rights over the course of the last 40 years? Do you think that changes because we leave the EU?
French, and moreso Spanish ships have been overfishing British waters for decades now. When we leave the EU they can fuck right off, if our fishermen need support, then I’m one of many who would volunteer. But the reality is, it should be the Royal Navy.
Shall we try that again?
What would your reaction be if large French ships came and fished legally in British waters during a closed season that everyone traditionally observed?
What if British fishermen took direct action in the same way?
Did British fishermen sell their rights over the course of the last 40 years? Do you think that changes because we leave the EU?
Once we have left the EU I would expect any of their ships fishing in our waters to be repelled with whatever force is needed.
I don’t believe that our fishermen themselves sold any of their rights over the last four decades. I don’t even believe we had any proper rights, as the EU took control of all our waters. So all our old territories should be restored after we leave that stinking federation."
Interesting perspective and a nodding acquaintance with reality.
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"There is not really a question to answer as such!
The British were attempting to fish perfectly legally in International Waters.
The French were attempting to stop this. The French should have taken the issue up with whoever banned them from Fishing, not the innocent British!
To touch on another of your questions; the EU are currently plundering British waters on a daily basis, whilst our own industry is almost dead!
I believe after Brexit we get our waters back and can prevent them from being plundered by foreigners!
Rule Brittania.
Too bloody right!
What would your reaction be if large French ships came and fished legally in British waters during a closed season that everyone traditionally observed?
What if British fishermen took direct action in the same way?
Did British fishermen sell their rights over the course of the last 40 years? Do you think that changes because we leave the EU?
French, and moreso Spanish ships have been overfishing British waters for decades now. When we leave the EU they can fuck right off, if our fishermen need support, then I’m one of many who would volunteer. But the reality is, it should be the Royal Navy.
Shall we try that again?
What would your reaction be if large French ships came and fished legally in British waters during a closed season that everyone traditionally observed?
What if British fishermen took direct action in the same way?
Did British fishermen sell their rights over the course of the last 40 years? Do you think that changes because we leave the EU?
Once we have left the EU I would expect any of their ships fishing in our waters to be repelled with whatever force is needed.
I don’t believe that our fishermen themselves sold any of their rights over the last four decades. I don’t even believe we had any proper rights, as the EU took control of all our waters. So all our old territories should be restored after we leave that stinking federation.
Interesting perspective and a nodding acquaintance with reality.
What does your chum Centaur think?"
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"There is not really a question to answer as such!
The British were attempting to fish perfectly legally in International Waters.
The French were attempting to stop this. The French should have taken the issue up with whoever banned them from Fishing, not the innocent British!
To touch on another of your questions; the EU are currently plundering British waters on a daily basis, whilst our own industry is almost dead!
I believe after Brexit we get our waters back and can prevent them from being plundered by foreigners!
Rule Brittania.
Too bloody right!
What would your reaction be if large French ships came and fished legally in British waters during a closed season that everyone traditionally observed?
What if British fishermen took direct action in the same way?
Did British fishermen sell their rights over the course of the last 40 years? Do you think that changes because we leave the EU?
French, and moreso Spanish ships have been overfishing British waters for decades now. When we leave the EU they can fuck right off, if our fishermen need support, then I’m one of many who would volunteer. But the reality is, it should be the Royal Navy.
Shall we try that again?
What would your reaction be if large French ships came and fished legally in British waters during a closed season that everyone traditionally observed?
What if British fishermen took direct action in the same way?
Did British fishermen sell their rights over the course of the last 40 years? Do you think that changes because we leave the EU?
Once we have left the EU I would expect any of their ships fishing in our waters to be repelled with whatever force is needed.
I don’t believe that our fishermen themselves sold any of their rights over the last four decades. I don’t even believe we had any proper rights, as the EU took control of all our waters. So all our old territories should be restored after we leave that stinking federation."
You still won't believe it I'm sure, but an interesting article from...1996.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/britains-fishy-role-in-the-quota-hopping-scandal-1315516.html |
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"There is not really a question to answer as such!
The British were attempting to fish perfectly legally in International Waters.
The French were attempting to stop this. The French should have taken the issue up with whoever banned them from Fishing, not the innocent British!
To touch on another of your questions; the EU are currently plundering British waters on a daily basis, whilst our own industry is almost dead!
I believe after Brexit we get our waters back and can prevent them from being plundered by foreigners!
Rule Brittania.
Too bloody right!
What would your reaction be if large French ships came and fished legally in British waters during a closed season that everyone traditionally observed?
What if British fishermen took direct action in the same way?
Did British fishermen sell their rights over the course of the last 40 years? Do you think that changes because we leave the EU?
French, and moreso Spanish ships have been overfishing British waters for decades now. When we leave the EU they can fuck right off, if our fishermen need support, then I’m one of many who would volunteer. But the reality is, it should be the Royal Navy.
Shall we try that again?
What would your reaction be if large French ships came and fished legally in British waters during a closed season that everyone traditionally observed?
What if British fishermen took direct action in the same way?
Did British fishermen sell their rights over the course of the last 40 years? Do you think that changes because we leave the EU?
Once we have left the EU I would expect any of their ships fishing in our waters to be repelled with whatever force is needed.
I don’t believe that our fishermen themselves sold any of their rights over the last four decades. I don’t even believe we had any proper rights, as the EU took control of all our waters. So all our old territories should be restored after we leave that stinking federation."
Hopefully we can get our old territories of India and America back ,because that's some prime real estate.
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Well the french arr trying to practice sustainable levels while us brits are just dredge the fuck out of everything. Not suprised the sea creatures are dying out |
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"Well the french arr trying to practice sustainable levels while us brits are just dredge the fuck out of everything. Not suprised the sea creatures are dying out "
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Surely operating within an eu quota? |
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"Surely operating within an eu quota?
do you support these quotas as being viable then? guess you must be to ask that question in the way that you have
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" What would your reaction be if large French ships came and fished legally in British waters during a closed season that everyone traditionally observed?
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I have said this before, so please do not try to ignore it again!
The British were NOT fishing in French waters, they were fishing in International waters!
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"Surely operating within an eu quota?
do you support these quotas as being viable then? guess you must be to ask that question in the way that you have
Do you blame "the brits" for over fishing every species? Do you assume it's "the brits" continually paying scant regard to quoats, whereas all other fishing nations operate well within them? "
ok ... i see that what i asked was an extremely challenging question for you so let me help you focus ... was that a yes or a no?
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"Well the french arr trying to practice sustainable levels while us brits are just dredge the fuck out of everything. Not suprised the sea creatures are dying out "
Don't be stupid old boy, the British fishing industry has been crippled by the EU.
Hopefully it will recover after Brexit.
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Well the french arr trying to practice sustainable levels while us brits are just dredge the fuck out of everything. Not suprised the sea creatures are dying out "
It is the opposite of that,it is why our fishing fleet has become so small and why fishermen want out of the EU
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"Surely operating within an eu quota?
do you support these quotas as being viable then? guess you must be to ask that question in the way that you have
Do you blame "the brits" for over fishing every species? Do you assume it's "the brits" continually paying scant regard to quoats, whereas all other fishing nations operate well within them? "
where there has been local "bans" in the past everyone has abided by then, and its normally dealt with at governmental level...
this issue here is that the french government put in a ban of fishing at certain times of the year to help preserve stocks... and this was actually in process of being discussed with the british government at the time....
so it could be argued that this particular boat took advantage of the fact that no final agreement had been reached yet... so where the french fisherman by their law could not fish in this area at this point in time... in theory the uk could....
i can see why the french fishermen are pissed because the ban was in effect put in place for enviromental reasons.... only to see this english boat trample on that....
the other thing is that this particular boat has "previous" for circumventing EU quotas and has been fined twice for overfishing above their quota..... |
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"Surely operating within an eu quota?
do you support these quotas as being viable then? guess you must be to ask that question in the way that you have
Do you blame "the brits" for over fishing every species? Do you assume it's "the brits" continually paying scant regard to quoats, whereas all other fishing nations operate well within them?
where there has been local "bans" in the past everyone has abided by then, and its normally dealt with at governmental level...
this issue here is that the french government put in a ban of fishing at certain times of the year to help preserve stocks... and this was actually in process of being discussed with the british government at the time....
so it could be argued that this particular boat took advantage of the fact that no final agreement had been reached yet... so where the french fisherman by their law could not fish in this area at this point in time... in theory the uk could....
i can see why the french fishermen are pissed because the ban was in effect put in place for enviromental reasons.... only to see this english boat trample on that....
the other thing is that this particular boat has "previous" for circumventing EU quotas and has been fined twice for overfishing above their quota....."
but does fandangoid agree with the quota that's been set?
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" do you support these quotas as being viable then? guess you must be to ask that question in the way that you have
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The quota's are a complete joke!
A boat hauls aboard a full net of Cod, but they have already reached their quota of Cod, so they have to throw it back (mostly dead).
They then throw their nets again to try and catch some Haddock (because they haven't reached their quota of Haddock), but they haul aboard another net full of Cod.
Can you see where this is going????
Until they can educate the fish not to enter the net if the quota has already been met, then it makes those quota's meaningless, destructive and completely senseless.
You will presume from the above that we do not support the quota's.
In English the answer is NO we do NOT support the quota's
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" What would your reaction be if large French ships came and fished legally in British waters during a closed season that everyone traditionally observed?
I have said this before, so please do not try to ignore it again!
The British were NOT fishing in French waters, they were fishing in International waters!
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No they were not - you obviously have not read the earlier posts explaining the definition of EEZs and EU community waters. |
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" What would your reaction be if large French ships came and fished legally in British waters during a closed season that everyone traditionally observed?
I have said this before, so please do not try to ignore it again!
The British were NOT fishing in French waters, they were fishing in International waters!
No they were not - you obviously have not read the earlier posts explaining the definition of EEZs and EU community waters."
careful ... never let facts get in the way of an alt right agenda |
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"Well the french arr trying to practice sustainable levels while us brits are just dredge the fuck out of everything. Not suprised the sea creatures are dying out .
This is the whole crux of the problem., who sets the rules on how much and what motives are behind setting the limits.
Surely operating within an eu quota?"
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"Well the french arr trying to practice sustainable levels while us brits are just dredge the fuck out of everything. Not suprised the sea creatures are dying out
Don't be stupid old boy, the British fishing industry has been crippled by the EU.
Hopefully it will recover after Brexit.
Rule Brittania! "
We sold our fishing rights and choose not to enforce laws that would have prevented that from happening.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/britains-fishy-role-in-the-quota-hopping-scandal-1315516.html
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" No they were not - you obviously have not read the earlier posts explaining the definition of EEZs and EU community waters."
Almost the same thing! Either way, the British fisherman were perfectly entitled to legally fish there!
The French need to take up their issue with whoever is preventing them from fishing the same waters, not the British.
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" No they were not - you obviously have not read the earlier posts explaining the definition of EEZs and EU community waters.
Almost the same thing! Either way, the British fisherman were perfectly entitled to legally fish there!
The French need to take up their issue with whoever is preventing them from fishing the same waters, not the British.
Rule Brittania! Rule Brexit!"
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" do you support these quotas as being viable then? guess you must be to ask that question in the way that you have
The quota's are a complete joke!
A boat hauls aboard a full net of Cod, but they have already reached their quota of Cod, so they have to throw it back (mostly dead).
They then throw their nets again to try and catch some Haddock (because they haven't reached their quota of Haddock), but they haul aboard another net full of Cod.
Can you see where this is going????
Until they can educate the fish not to enter the net if the quota has already been met, then it makes those quota's meaningless, destructive and completely senseless.
You will presume from the above that we do not support the quota's.
In English the answer is NO we do NOT support the quota's
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I suppose they could put up a little sign on the mouth of the net.
HADDOCK ONLY NO COD ALLOWED.  |
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" do you support these quotas as being viable then? guess you must be to ask that question in the way that you have
The quota's are a complete joke!
A boat hauls aboard a full net of Cod, but they have already reached their quota of Cod, so they have to throw it back (mostly dead).
They then throw their nets again to try and catch some Haddock (because they haven't reached their quota of Haddock), but they haul aboard another net full of Cod.
Can you see where this is going????
Until they can educate the fish not to enter the net if the quota has already been met, then it makes those quota's meaningless, destructive and completely senseless.
You will presume from the above that we do not support the quota's.
In English the answer is NO we do NOT support the quota's
I suppose they could put up a little sign on the mouth of the net.
HADDOCK ONLY NO COD ALLOWED. "
Surely we should be doing this at our borders ? What’s the point of voting to regain control if we carry on letting in those pesky cod anyway. |
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" What would your reaction be if large French ships came and fished legally in British waters during a closed season that everyone traditionally observed?
I have said this before, so please do not try to ignore it again!
The British were NOT fishing in French waters, they were fishing in International waters!
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Do be careful when using facts, the anyone but Britain brigade will ignore you, or blatantly try to twist things. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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" What would your reaction be if large French ships came and fished legally in British waters during a closed season that everyone traditionally observed?
I have said this before, so please do not try to ignore it again!
The British were NOT fishing in French waters, they were fishing in International waters!
Do be careful when using facts, the anyone but Britain brigade will ignore you, or blatantly try to twist things."
No.
Not supporting Brexit does not mean someone is against Britain in the same way that supporting Brexit does not make someone racist.
That is utter drivel. People don't want Brexit because they think that will be the best outcome for the country just as those who want to Leave believe the same think.
Get a grip. |
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" What would your reaction be if large French ships came and fished legally in British waters during a closed season that everyone traditionally observed?
I have said this before, so please do not try to ignore it again!
The British were NOT fishing in French waters, they were fishing in International waters!
Do be careful when using facts, the anyone but Britain brigade will ignore you, or blatantly try to twist things."
Wasn’t this shown to not be fact? Or at least someone suggested you could have French waters outside the 12m zone, but different have different rules |
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"Surely operating within an eu quota?
do you support these quotas as being viable then? guess you must be to ask that question in the way that you have
Do you blame "the brits" for over fishing every species? Do you assume it's "the brits" continually paying scant regard to quoats, whereas all other fishing nations operate well within them?
where there has been local "bans" in the past everyone has abided by then, and its normally dealt with at governmental level...
this issue here is that the french government put in a ban of fishing at certain times of the year to help preserve stocks... and this was actually in process of being discussed with the british government at the time....
so it could be argued that this particular boat took advantage of the fact that no final agreement had been reached yet... so where the french fisherman by their law could not fish in this area at this point in time... in theory the uk could....
i can see why the french fishermen are pissed because the ban was in effect put in place for enviromental reasons.... only to see this english boat trample on that....
the other thing is that this particular boat has "previous" for circumventing EU quotas and has been fined twice for overfishing above their quota.....
but does fandangoid agree with the quota that's been set?
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"Surely operating within an eu quota?
do you support these quotas as being viable then? guess you must be to ask that question in the way that you have
Do you blame "the brits" for over fishing every species? Do you assume it's "the brits" continually paying scant regard to quoats, whereas all other fishing nations operate well within them?
where there has been local "bans" in the past everyone has abided by then, and its normally dealt with at governmental level...
this issue here is that the french government put in a ban of fishing at certain times of the year to help preserve stocks... and this was actually in process of being discussed with the british government at the time....
so it could be argued that this particular boat took advantage of the fact that no final agreement had been reached yet... so where the french fisherman by their law could not fish in this area at this point in time... in theory the uk could....
i can see why the french fishermen are pissed because the ban was in effect put in place for enviromental reasons.... only to see this english boat trample on that....
the other thing is that this particular boat has "previous" for circumventing EU quotas and has been fined twice for overfishing above their quota.....
but does fandangoid agree with the quota that's been set?
This is how we debate now is it? For fuck sake! "
Bruce Almighty seems to have a problem with you Clem. |
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"Surely operating within an eu quota?
do you support these quotas as being viable then? guess you must be to ask that question in the way that you have
Do you blame "the brits" for over fishing every species? Do you assume it's "the brits" continually paying scant regard to quoats, whereas all other fishing nations operate well within them?
where there has been local "bans" in the past everyone has abided by then, and its normally dealt with at governmental level...
this issue here is that the french government put in a ban of fishing at certain times of the year to help preserve stocks... and this was actually in process of being discussed with the british government at the time....
so it could be argued that this particular boat took advantage of the fact that no final agreement had been reached yet... so where the french fisherman by their law could not fish in this area at this point in time... in theory the uk could....
i can see why the french fishermen are pissed because the ban was in effect put in place for enviromental reasons.... only to see this english boat trample on that....
the other thing is that this particular boat has "previous" for circumventing EU quotas and has been fined twice for overfishing above their quota.....
but does fandangoid agree with the quota that's been set?
This is how we debate now is it? For fuck sake!
Bruce Almighty seems to have a problem with you Clem. "
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Has anyone mentioned the failed Financial agreement between the French & British Fisherman ?
Every year the British pay a
Sum of money ( tax compensation ) to the there French counterparts.
This year a deal wasnt made.
I think the french have a right to say , whays going on ? |
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"Surely operating within an eu quota?
do you support these quotas as being viable then? guess you must be to ask that question in the way that you have
Do you blame "the brits" for over fishing every species? Do you assume it's "the brits" continually paying scant regard to quoats, whereas all other fishing nations operate well within them?
where there has been local "bans" in the past everyone has abided by then, and its normally dealt with at governmental level...
this issue here is that the french government put in a ban of fishing at certain times of the year to help preserve stocks... and this was actually in process of being discussed with the british government at the time....
so it could be argued that this particular boat took advantage of the fact that no final agreement had been reached yet... so where the french fisherman by their law could not fish in this area at this point in time... in theory the uk could....
i can see why the french fishermen are pissed because the ban was in effect put in place for enviromental reasons.... only to see this english boat trample on that....
the other thing is that this particular boat has "previous" for circumventing EU quotas and has been fined twice for overfishing above their quota.....
but does fandangoid agree with the quota that's been set?
This is how we debate now is it? For fuck sake!
Bruce Almighty seems to have a problem with you Clem.
seems the new debating etiquette is ask clam a question and cuntuar answers for him "
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"Surely operating within an eu quota?
do you support these quotas as being viable then? guess you must be to ask that question in the way that you have
Do you blame "the brits" for over fishing every species? Do you assume it's "the brits" continually paying scant regard to quoats, whereas all other fishing nations operate well within them?
where there has been local "bans" in the past everyone has abided by then, and its normally dealt with at governmental level...
this issue here is that the french government put in a ban of fishing at certain times of the year to help preserve stocks... and this was actually in process of being discussed with the british government at the time....
so it could be argued that this particular boat took advantage of the fact that no final agreement had been reached yet... so where the french fisherman by their law could not fish in this area at this point in time... in theory the uk could....
i can see why the french fishermen are pissed because the ban was in effect put in place for enviromental reasons.... only to see this english boat trample on that....
the other thing is that this particular boat has "previous" for circumventing EU quotas and has been fined twice for overfishing above their quota.....
but does fandangoid agree with the quota that's been set?
This is how we debate now is it? For fuck sake!
Bruce Almighty seems to have a problem with you Clem.
seems the new debating etiquette is ask clam a question and cuntuar answers for him
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Weird isn't it? A ukip supporter being nice to a remain and labour voting, union member. Maybe that's what happens when you're not a cunt all the time.  |
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"Surely operating within an eu quota?
do you support these quotas as being viable then? guess you must be to ask that question in the way that you have
Do you blame "the brits" for over fishing every species? Do you assume it's "the brits" continually paying scant regard to quoats, whereas all other fishing nations operate well within them?
where there has been local "bans" in the past everyone has abided by then, and its normally dealt with at governmental level...
this issue here is that the french government put in a ban of fishing at certain times of the year to help preserve stocks... and this was actually in process of being discussed with the british government at the time....
so it could be argued that this particular boat took advantage of the fact that no final agreement had been reached yet... so where the french fisherman by their law could not fish in this area at this point in time... in theory the uk could....
i can see why the french fishermen are pissed because the ban was in effect put in place for enviromental reasons.... only to see this english boat trample on that....
the other thing is that this particular boat has "previous" for circumventing EU quotas and has been fined twice for overfishing above their quota.....
but does fandangoid agree with the quota that's been set?
This is how we debate now is it? For fuck sake!
Bruce Almighty seems to have a problem with you Clem.
seems the new debating etiquette is ask clam a question and cuntuar answers for him
Weird isn't it? A ukip supporter being nice to a remain and labour voting, union member. Maybe that's what happens when you're not a cunt all the time. "
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"Surely operating within an eu quota?
do you support these quotas as being viable then? guess you must be to ask that question in the way that you have
Do you blame "the brits" for over fishing every species? Do you assume it's "the brits" continually paying scant regard to quoats, whereas all other fishing nations operate well within them?
where there has been local "bans" in the past everyone has abided by then, and its normally dealt with at governmental level...
this issue here is that the french government put in a ban of fishing at certain times of the year to help preserve stocks... and this was actually in process of being discussed with the british government at the time....
so it could be argued that this particular boat took advantage of the fact that no final agreement had been reached yet... so where the french fisherman by their law could not fish in this area at this point in time... in theory the uk could....
i can see why the french fishermen are pissed because the ban was in effect put in place for enviromental reasons.... only to see this english boat trample on that....
the other thing is that this particular boat has "previous" for circumventing EU quotas and has been fined twice for overfishing above their quota.....
but does fandangoid agree with the quota that's been set?
This is how we debate now is it? For fuck sake!
Bruce Almighty seems to have a problem with you Clem.
seems the new debating etiquette is ask clam a question and cuntuar answers for him
Weird isn't it? A ukip supporter being nice to a remain and labour voting, union member. Maybe that's what happens when you're not a cunt all the time.
you wouldn't know though "
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Not exactly "french" fishermen more like "british" fishermen. A 70 year old retired British Naval captain and two other Brits have been sentenced by a French court last week. The capt got 30 months and banned from France for the rest of his life (10 yrs), so could live longer, for trying to smuggle 10 Vietnamese accross the channel. Their boat was stopped just off the French coast. They paid €9,000 each to the smugglers - so greed takes over - a retired RN captain! Obviously not a "gentleman " and one of the "elitists " |
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