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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Tom Watson, has asked the question to the NCA, whether or not there is an investigation into the leave campaign and its links to russia. There appears to be a big question related to the actual legitmacy of the referendum now.
If collusion is suspected, then there might be an investigation similar to the one conducted in the states.
Is it time? Your thoughts?
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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This country, and more recently the United States, has a long history of meddling in other countries, overthrowing regimes we do not like, installing puppet governments etc.
Some "fake news" on social media, some roubles to pay for the DUP adverts, seems quite tame by comparison.
it does not invalidate the result. |
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"This country, and more recently the United States, has a long history of meddling in other countries, overthrowing regimes we do not like, installing puppet governments etc.
Some "fake news" on social media, some roubles to pay for the DUP adverts, seems quite tame by comparison.
it does not invalidate the result."
America did interfere in the referendum when Obama came over here and threatened the British people that we better do as he says and vote remain like good little children or we'd be at the back of his queue.
He didn't reckon on pro Brexit Trump getting elected though and putting us at the front of the queue. |
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"This country, and more recently the United States, has a long history of meddling in other countries, overthrowing regimes we do not like, installing puppet governments etc.
Some "fake news" on social media, some roubles to pay for the DUP adverts, seems quite tame by comparison.
it does not invalidate the result.
America did interfere in the referendum when Obama came over here and threatened the British people that we better do as he says and vote remain like good little children or we'd be at the back of his queue.
He didn't reckon on pro Brexit Trump getting elected though and putting us at the front of the queue. "
But it's going to take 2 years to do the deal and providing its 100% in favour of the U.S. ( negotiations are to.be done in secret) Good deal good deal! |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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He didn't reckon on pro Brexit Trump getting elected though and putting us at the front of the queue. "
I admire your, um, optimism.
I think our place in the queue slipped after we rebuffed the US demands to join the gang being formed for regime change in Iran.
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"This country, and more recently the United States, has a long history of meddling in other countries, overthrowing regimes we do not like, installing puppet governments etc.
Some "fake news" on social media, some roubles to pay for the DUP adverts, seems quite tame by comparison.
it does not invalidate the result.
America did interfere in the referendum when Obama came over here and threatened the British people that we better do as he says and vote remain like good little children or we'd be at the back of his queue.
He didn't reckon on pro Brexit Trump getting elected though and putting us at the front of the queue. "
Stop making things up.
Obama voiced an opinion on people's opinions about the USA. And you're comparing that to possible criminal activity.
Also, Trump's a proven liar and if you trust anything he says then you're worse than naive. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Tom Watson, has asked the question to the NCA, whether or not there is an investigation into the leave campaign and its links to russia. There appears to be a big question related to the actual legitmacy of the referendum now.
If collusion is suspected, then there might be an investigation similar to the one conducted in the states.
Is it time? Your thoughts?
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This pathetic excuse I have heard from a remainer so sad |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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We waited years for the promised referendum.
When it came we voted 100% leave and there were certainly no Russians pulling our strings!
Accusations of meddling is just sour grapes from the remainers. We all had our own minds and fortunately the British people had faith and made the right choice!
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"We waited years for the promised referendum.
When it came we voted 100% leave and there were certainly no Russians pulling our strings!
Accusations of meddling is just sour grapes from the remainers. We all had our own minds and fortunately the British people had faith and made the right choice!
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We need to look at the facts, who utimately benefits?, To believe that Russia, a country who has killed people on our soil, would not have a vested interest in destablising Western europe is naïve.
Its seems when protecting democracy, the hawks become doves, and vice versa.
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"We waited years for the promised referendum.
When it came we voted 100% leave and there were certainly no Russians pulling our strings!
Accusations of meddling is just sour grapes from the remainers. We all had our own minds and fortunately the British people had faith and made the right choice!
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We waited years for the promised referendum.
When it came we voted 100% leave and there were certainly no Russians pulling our strings!
Accusations of meddling is just sour grapes from the remainers. We all had our own minds and fortunately the British people had faith and made the right choice!
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As above surely you see that a weaker, poorer uk and a more divided Europe is to Russia’s advantage. Of course they would pull strings in the background to manipulate the referendum. They’re doing it other places, why not here.
I’m not for one second suggesting another vote by the way. But it’s realistic expectation to have a full investigation into it. |
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How is it that the idea of another state interfering in the democracy of state in order to further its own aims is somehow not true because it sheds an uncomfortable light on the process of this vote in question..
It's been going on in some shape or form for ever and we in the west have been up to our eyeballs in it.. |
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"We waited years for the promised referendum.
When it came we voted 100% leave and there were certainly no Russians pulling our strings!
Accusations of meddling is just sour grapes from the remainers. We all had our own minds and fortunately the British people had faith and made the right choice!
As above surely you see that a weaker, poorer uk and a more divided Europe is to Russia’s advantage. Of course they would pull strings in the background to manipulate the referendum. They’re doing it other places, why not here.
I’m not for one second suggesting another vote by the way. But it’s realistic expectation to have a full investigation into it."
Your whole argument starts on a false premise that the UK will be weaker and poorer. That is nothing more than an assumption on your part. As for a divided Europe, well Brussels is more than capable of doing that on its own as it has already shown.
But keep on pointing the finger at the Russian bogey men, you seem that paranoid about Russians you probably check under your bed before you go to sleep to see if any are hiding there to get you in the night. In reality Russia can't and won't do anything while Nato remains in place. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"We waited years for the promised referendum.
When it came we voted 100% leave and there were certainly no Russians pulling our strings!
Accusations of meddling is just sour grapes from the remainers. We all had our own minds and fortunately the British people had faith and made the right choice!
As above surely you see that a weaker, poorer uk and a more divided Europe is to Russia’s advantage. Of course they would pull strings in the background to manipulate the referendum. They’re doing it other places, why not here.
I’m not for one second suggesting another vote by the way. But it’s realistic expectation to have a full investigation into it.
Your whole argument starts on a false premise that the UK will be weaker and poorer. That is nothing more than an assumption on your part. As for a divided Europe, well Brussels is more than capable of doing that on its own as it has already shown.
But keep on pointing the finger at the Russian bogey men, you seem that paranoid about Russians you probably check under your bed before you go to sleep to see if any are hiding there to get you in the night. In reality Russia can't and won't do anything while Nato remains in place. "
You are failing to see the whole picture, who controls NATO?, this is the truest maxim, if Russia cannot go through NATO, they sure as hell will try to bypass it entirely.
Its not conspiracy, its fact. The problem is that there are many Russian Sympathisers in the west. Oh sure when the far left were in cahoots with red russia everyone on the right screamed They were traitors, now the far right are in bed with them and the same thing applies, anyone who supports or sympathises with them are traitors to this nation simple as |
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You are failing to see the whole picture, who controls NATO?, this is the truest maxim, if Russia cannot go through NATO, they sure as hell will try to bypass it entirely.
Its not conspiracy, its fact. The problem is that there are many Russian Sympathisers in the west. Oh sure when the far left were in cahoots with red russia everyone on the right screamed They were traitors, now the far right are in bed with them and the same thing applies, anyone who supports or sympathises with them are traitors to this nation simple as "
This..
It was true when this lefty was in BAOR and its true now, the subversion has not stopped its just gone with the tech..
Back in those days the Russians were all over the unions and they care not which group or side they can use to further their aims..
Anyone who doubts what has gone on needs only to look at the history of the world post ww2.. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"We waited years for the promised referendum.
When it came we voted 100% leave and there were certainly no Russians pulling our strings!
Accusations of meddling is just sour grapes from the remainers. We all had our own minds and fortunately the British people had faith and made the right choice!
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Actually, we voted 52% Leave.
I don't make significant decisions based on faith if I can help it.
Do you make a habit of it? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"We waited years for the promised referendum.
When it came we voted 100% leave and there were certainly no Russians pulling our strings!
Accusations of meddling is just sour grapes from the remainers. We all had our own minds and fortunately the British people had faith and made the right choice!
As above surely you see that a weaker, poorer uk and a more divided Europe is to Russia’s advantage. Of course they would pull strings in the background to manipulate the referendum. They’re doing it other places, why not here.
I’m not for one second suggesting another vote by the way. But it’s realistic expectation to have a full investigation into it.
Your whole argument starts on a false premise that the UK will be weaker and poorer. That is nothing more than an assumption on your part. As for a divided Europe, well Brussels is more than capable of doing that on its own as it has already shown.
But keep on pointing the finger at the Russian bogey men, you seem that paranoid about Russians you probably check under your bed before you go to sleep to see if any are hiding there to get you in the night. In reality Russia can't and won't do anything while Nato remains in place. "
Did Trump interfere in the Brexit negotiations by saying that he'd give us a good deal?
How about threatening the the stability of the WTO? Does that affect us somehow?
Does threatening UK companies with secondary sanctions for trading with Iran somehow impinge on our sovereignty?
So, to be clear, we should not investigate any country under any circumstances for possible interference in the referendum? |
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"We waited years for the promised referendum.
When it came we voted 100% leave and there were certainly no Russians pulling our strings!
Accusations of meddling is just sour grapes from the remainers. We all had our own minds and fortunately the British people had faith and made the right choice!
Actually, we voted 52% Leave.
I don't make significant decisions based on faith if I can help it.
Do you make a habit of it?"
When they said we voted 100% leave I assume they were speaking for themselves, not the whole country.  |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"We waited years for the promised referendum.
When it came we voted 100% leave and there were certainly no Russians pulling our strings!
Accusations of meddling is just sour grapes from the remainers. We all had our own minds and fortunately the British people had faith and made the right choice!
Actually, we voted 52% Leave.
I don't make significant decisions based on faith if I can help it.
Do you make a habit of it?
When they said we voted 100% leave I assume they were speaking for themselves, not the whole country. "
Speaking for others again?
After all, you do represent all Leave voters. You can read their hearts right? You know exactly what they all think. Why they voted. What they knew and didn't know
You are correct though. It may have been a personal view that I misunderstood.
I'm still interested in knowing if faith is a good decision making tool  |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"We waited years for the promised referendum.
When it came we voted 100% leave and there were certainly no Russians pulling our strings!
Accusations of meddling is just sour grapes from the remainers. We all had our own minds and fortunately the British people had faith and made the right choice!
Actually, we voted 52% Leave.
I don't make significant decisions based on faith if I can help it.
Do you make a habit of it?
When they said we voted 100% leave I assume they were speaking for themselves, not the whole country. "
You missed responding to something more complicated.
No surprise there |
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"We waited years for the promised referendum.
When it came we voted 100% leave and there were certainly no Russians pulling our strings!
Accusations of meddling is just sour grapes from the remainers. We all had our own minds and fortunately the British people had faith and made the right choice!
As above surely you see that a weaker, poorer uk and a more divided Europe is to Russia’s advantage. Of course they would pull strings in the background to manipulate the referendum. They’re doing it other places, why not here.
I’m not for one second suggesting another vote by the way. But it’s realistic expectation to have a full investigation into it.
Your whole argument starts on a false premise that the UK will be weaker and poorer. That is nothing more than an assumption on your part. As for a divided Europe, well Brussels is more than capable of doing that on its own as it has already shown.
But keep on pointing the finger at the Russian bogey men, you seem that paranoid about Russians you probably check under your bed before you go to sleep to see if any are hiding there to get you in the night. In reality Russia can't and won't do anything while Nato remains in place.
Did Trump interfere in the Brexit negotiations by saying that he'd give us a good deal?
How about threatening the the stability of the WTO? Does that affect us somehow?
Does threatening UK companies with secondary sanctions for trading with Iran somehow impinge on our sovereignty?
So, to be clear, we should not investigate any country under any circumstances for possible interference in the referendum?"
Remoaners can investigate all they like, doubt they'll prove anything in a court of law. When Facebook were questioned on Russian interference in the EU referendum by a House of Commons committee they said all they could find with regard to Russia was a Russian funded poster costing a couple of quid. Wow, big deal, what are you going to do about it? Even in the USA with the Democrats (and some Republicans) digging for dirt on Trump and Russian collusion night and day for nearly 2 years solid still no charges of Russian collusion have been brought forward and no convictions in any court of law with regard to Russian collusion. Giving up on that line now the Libtards have thrown their weight behind completely unrelated issues surrounding Stormy Daniels or any other jumped up charge they can dream up. The desperation from the Dems is plain for all to see. To say it's a witch hunt is an understatement of epic proportions. Roll on the mid term elections the American people will deliver their own verdict and i suspect the Democrats won't like it. |
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"We waited years for the promised referendum.
When it came we voted 100% leave and there were certainly no Russians pulling our strings!
Accusations of meddling is just sour grapes from the remainers. We all had our own minds and fortunately the British people had faith and made the right choice!
Actually, we voted 52% Leave.
I don't make significant decisions based on faith if I can help it.
Do you make a habit of it?
When they said we voted 100% leave I assume they were speaking for themselves, not the whole country.
You missed responding to something more complicated.
No surprise there "
If you can't even understand they were referring to themselves with the 100% comment and not the country, I doubt you'd be able to understand anything more complicated to be honest. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"We waited years for the promised referendum.
When it came we voted 100% leave and there were certainly no Russians pulling our strings!
Accusations of meddling is just sour grapes from the remainers. We all had our own minds and fortunately the British people had faith and made the right choice!
As above surely you see that a weaker, poorer uk and a more divided Europe is to Russia’s advantage. Of course they would pull strings in the background to manipulate the referendum. They’re doing it other places, why not here.
I’m not for one second suggesting another vote by the way. But it’s realistic expectation to have a full investigation into it.
Your whole argument starts on a false premise that the UK will be weaker and poorer. That is nothing more than an assumption on your part. As for a divided Europe, well Brussels is more than capable of doing that on its own as it has already shown.
But keep on pointing the finger at the Russian bogey men, you seem that paranoid about Russians you probably check under your bed before you go to sleep to see if any are hiding there to get you in the night. In reality Russia can't and won't do anything while Nato remains in place.
Did Trump interfere in the Brexit negotiations by saying that he'd give us a good deal?
How about threatening the the stability of the WTO? Does that affect us somehow?
Does threatening UK companies with secondary sanctions for trading with Iran somehow impinge on our sovereignty?
So, to be clear, we should not investigate any country under any circumstances for possible interference in the referendum?
Remoaners can investigate all they like, doubt they'll prove anything in a court of law. When Facebook were questioned on Russian interference in the EU referendum by a House of Commons committee they said all they could find with regard to Russia was a Russian funded poster costing a couple of quid. Wow, big deal, what are you going to do about it? Even in the USA with the Democrats (and some Republicans) digging for dirt on Trump and Russian collusion night and day for nearly 2 years solid still no charges of Russian collusion have been brought forward and no convictions in any court of law with regard to Russian collusion. Giving up on that line now the Libtards have thrown their weight behind completely unrelated issues surrounding Stormy Daniels or any other jumped up charge they can dream up. The desperation from the Dems is plain for all to see. To say it's a witch hunt is an understatement of epic proportions. Roll on the mid term elections the American people will deliver their own verdict and i suspect the Democrats won't like it. "
You are right. If security services are involved it usually is difficult to prove anything in a court of law. That's rather the point of them.
I wouldn't say there is much desperation in the Democrats at the moment. After all, a whole bunch of namby pamby snowflake former security and armed forces chefs just roundly condemned Trump for removing John Brennan's (the former head of the CIA) security clearance because he dared to criticise him.
I forgot that there is a conspiracy by the FBI and CIA against him though. Fake news from them about Russian interference in the US elections. After all, Trump asked Putin who said that it wasn't him
Everyone surrounding him seems unable to keep their fingers out of cookie jars too.
Remind me how many senior staff members have "left" his administration.
I have no idea if the referendum was influenced by Russia. Why not let's have a look see? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"We waited years for the promised referendum.
When it came we voted 100% leave and there were certainly no Russians pulling our strings!
Accusations of meddling is just sour grapes from the remainers. We all had our own minds and fortunately the British people had faith and made the right choice!
Actually, we voted 52% Leave.
I don't make significant decisions based on faith if I can help it.
Do you make a habit of it?
When they said we voted 100% leave I assume they were speaking for themselves, not the whole country.
You missed responding to something more complicated.
No surprise there
If you can't even understand they were referring to themselves with the 100% comment and not the country, I doubt you'd be able to understand anything more complicated to be honest. "
Considering some of the things that you have blindly cut and pasted that's entertaining  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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You are failing to see the whole picture, who controls NATO?, this is the truest maxim, if Russia cannot go through NATO, they sure as hell will try to bypass it entirely.
Its not conspiracy, its fact. The problem is that there are many Russian Sympathisers in the west. Oh sure when the far left were in cahoots with red russia everyone on the right screamed They were traitors, now the far right are in bed with them and the same thing applies, anyone who supports or sympathises with them are traitors to this nation simple as
This..
It was true when this lefty was in BAOR and its true now, the subversion has not stopped its just gone with the tech..
Back in those days the Russians were all over the unions and they care not which group or side they can use to further their aims..
Anyone who doubts what has gone on needs only to look at the history of the world post ww2.. "
See a certain someone cannot doubt the logic of our arguments. You support Russia you are a collaborator. Simple as. |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"We waited years for the promised referendum.
When it came we voted 100% leave and there were certainly no Russians pulling our strings!
Accusations of meddling is just sour grapes from the remainers. We all had our own minds and fortunately the British people had faith and made the right choice!
As above surely you see that a weaker, poorer uk and a more divided Europe is to Russia’s advantage. Of course they would pull strings in the background to manipulate the referendum. They’re doing it other places, why not here.
I’m not for one second suggesting another vote by the way. But it’s realistic expectation to have a full investigation into it.
Your whole argument starts on a false premise that the UK will be weaker and poorer. That is nothing more than an assumption on your part. As for a divided Europe, well Brussels is more than capable of doing that on its own as it has already shown.
But keep on pointing the finger at the Russian bogey men, you seem that paranoid about Russians you probably check under your bed before you go to sleep to see if any are hiding there to get you in the night. In reality Russia can't and won't do anything while Nato remains in place.
Did Trump interfere in the Brexit negotiations by saying that he'd give us a good deal?
How about threatening the the stability of the WTO? Does that affect us somehow?
Does threatening UK companies with secondary sanctions for trading with Iran somehow impinge on our sovereignty?
So, to be clear, we should not investigate any country under any circumstances for possible interference in the referendum?
Remoaners can investigate all they like, doubt they'll prove anything in a court of law. When Facebook were questioned on Russian interference in the EU referendum by a House of Commons committee they said all they could find with regard to Russia was a Russian funded poster costing a couple of quid. Wow, big deal, what are you going to do about it? Even in the USA with the Democrats (and some Republicans) digging for dirt on Trump and Russian collusion night and day for nearly 2 years solid still no charges of Russian collusion have been brought forward and no convictions in any court of law with regard to Russian collusion. Giving up on that line now the Libtards have thrown their weight behind completely unrelated issues surrounding Stormy Daniels or any other jumped up charge they can dream up. The desperation from the Dems is plain for all to see. To say it's a witch hunt is an understatement of epic proportions. Roll on the mid term elections the American people will deliver their own verdict and i suspect the Democrats won't like it. "
You are joking, right? No... I suspect not.
Every single stone turned over shows more and more ties between Trump, Kushner and Manafort with Russia oligarchs, Saudis and others. How can you still turn a blind eye to all this and just pretend it is not there?
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" As above surely you see that a weaker, poorer uk and a more divided Europe is to Russia’s advantage. Of course they would pull strings in the background to manipulate the referendum. They’re doing it other places, why not here.
I’m not for one second suggesting another vote by the way. But it’s realistic expectation to have a full investigation into it."
So the Russian's influenced your vote?
You need to trust us on this one, they did not influence ours!
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By (user no longer on site)
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" As above surely you see that a weaker, poorer uk and a more divided Europe is to Russia’s advantage. Of course they would pull strings in the background to manipulate the referendum. They’re doing it other places, why not here.
I’m not for one second suggesting another vote by the way. But it’s realistic expectation to have a full investigation into it.
So the Russian's influenced your vote?
You need to trust us on this one, they did not influence ours!
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Asking if the Russians influenced my vote is such a bizarre response to my post. I don’t know what to say.
I didn’t vote to leave the EU.
I don’t know which way you voted or why. I genuinely feel it would be worthwhile investigating another nation state attempting to influence the referendum.
I’m sure the irony isn’t lost here, one of the things leavers said they wanted to leave for was to stop other countries interfering in UK business. Except of course if it’s the Russians trying to destabilise the uk. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
" As above surely you see that a weaker, poorer uk and a more divided Europe is to Russia’s advantage. Of course they would pull strings in the background to manipulate the referendum. They’re doing it other places, why not here.
I’m not for one second suggesting another vote by the way. But it’s realistic expectation to have a full investigation into it.
So the Russian's influenced your vote?
You need to trust us on this one, they did not influence ours!
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Do you represent everyone who voted then or can you only really speak for yourself? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Honestly ... as much as I tried to get my info direct from the source and explore different POV.... I couldn’t say hand on heart there was not nefarious influences on me ... that’s the whole point ! |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"Honestly ... as much as I tried to get my info direct from the source and explore different POV.... I couldn’t say hand on heart there was not nefarious influences on me ... that’s the whole point !"
That is the danger of people being "certain" that they are right.
Unless you question your own views and see the positives in the opposing one you cannot identify your own weaknesses and fix them.
I don't know for certain that I haven't been influenced either which is why u try to seek out opposing views and look at the original data. If you don't you are always getting "a version". |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Just to clarify, the Russian's did not influence our own personal vote of Brexit!
Leaving the EU was a No Brainer to us! Why would you want to remain part of such a corrupt unelected mostly faceless organisation that attempts to tell us how to run our own country! Madness
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By *oyce69Man
over a year ago
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"Just to clarify, the Russian's did not influence our own personal vote of Brexit!
Leaving the EU was a No Brainer to us! Why would you want to remain part of such a corrupt unelected mostly faceless organisation that attempts to tell us how to run our own country! Madness
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Just to clarify, the Russian's did not influence our own personal vote of Brexit!
Leaving the EU was a No Brainer to us! Why would you want to remain part of such a corrupt unelected mostly faceless organisation that attempts to tell us how to run our own country! Madness
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They are elected. Our European members of parliament were part of the decision making process. They provide generally good directives providing among other things workers rights, human rights, environmental protection etc etc
I trust them way more than the Tories.
This post demonstrates the gross misunderstanding that sun, Mail, express readers have of the EU. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I and my entire family voted leave, I even drove some elderly leavers to the polling station and back,
It had absolutely fuck all to do with the Russians. I’m not even aware they had anything invested in our leaving the EU.
Sounds like remoaners attempting to render our referendum victory null and void. Grasping at straws me thinks. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"I and my entire family voted leave, I even drove some elderly leavers to the polling station and back,
It had absolutely fuck all to do with the Russians. I’m not even aware they had anything invested in our leaving the EU.
Sounds like remoaners attempting to render our referendum victory null and void. Grasping at straws me thinks."
Really?
You don't see the advantage to Russia of breaking up an economic and political power block next door to them?
You don't see the advantage to Russia of disrupting the relationships within NATO?
OK. |
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"I and my entire family voted leave, I even drove some elderly leavers to the polling station and back,
It had absolutely fuck all to do with the Russians. I’m not even aware they had anything invested in our leaving the EU.
Sounds like remoaners attempting to render our referendum victory null and void. Grasping at straws me thinks.
Really?
You don't see the advantage to Russia of breaking up an economic and political power block next door to them?
You don't see the advantage to Russia of disrupting the relationships within NATO?
OK."
Of course not, like most leave voters he had no idea what the consequences of leaving are. |
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"I and my entire family voted leave, I even drove some elderly leavers to the polling station and back,
It had absolutely fuck all to do with the Russians. I’m not even aware they had anything invested in our leaving the EU.
Sounds like remoaners attempting to render our referendum victory null and void. Grasping at straws me thinks.
Really?
You don't see the advantage to Russia of breaking up an economic and political power block next door to them?
You don't see the advantage to Russia of disrupting the relationships within NATO?
OK."
This is a direct accusation that Russia was responsible for the referendum result. An accusation that is both baseless and stupid.
Both sides had their own campaigns during the run up to the referendum, and there was no mention of Russia anywhere. On the other hand, Obama came here with his pathetic threats. Why is it that everyone seems to have forgotten that? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"I and my entire family voted leave, I even drove some elderly leavers to the polling station and back,
It had absolutely fuck all to do with the Russians. I’m not even aware they had anything invested in our leaving the EU.
Sounds like remoaners attempting to render our referendum victory null and void. Grasping at straws me thinks.
Really?
You don't see the advantage to Russia of breaking up an economic and political power block next door to them?
You don't see the advantage to Russia of disrupting the relationships within NATO?
OK.
This is a direct accusation that Russia was responsible for the referendum result. An accusation that is both baseless and stupid.
Both sides had their own campaigns during the run up to the referendum, and there was no mention of Russia anywhere. On the other hand, Obama came here with his pathetic threats. Why is it that everyone seems to have forgotten that?"
Nope. It's a question about if Russia attempted to influence the referendum result. It may not have tried to or it may not have made any significant difference.
You would not wish to know if another country had tried to covertly influence our democracy at all, ever?
China and Japan also encouraged us not to leave the EU. What's your point? They were pretty open about it.
Trump threatened our country saying that our democratically elected Prime minister's Brexit plan would kill and chance of a US-UK trade deal.
Trump has threatened great British companies secondary sanctions of they do business with Iran even though our sovereign national policy is to honour the nuclear deal with them. |
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"I and my entire family voted leave, I even drove some elderly leavers to the polling station and back,
It had absolutely fuck all to do with the Russians. I’m not even aware they had anything invested in our leaving the EU.
Sounds like remoaners attempting to render our referendum victory null and void. Grasping at straws me thinks.
Really?
You don't see the advantage to Russia of breaking up an economic and political power block next door to them?
You don't see the advantage to Russia of disrupting the relationships within NATO?
OK.
This is a direct accusation that Russia was responsible for the referendum result. An accusation that is both baseless and stupid.
Both sides had their own campaigns during the run up to the referendum, and there was no mention of Russia anywhere. On the other hand, Obama came here with his pathetic threats. Why is it that everyone seems to have forgotten that?
Nope. It's a question about if Russia attempted to influence the referendum result. It may not have tried to or it may not have made any significant difference.
You would not wish to know if another country had tried to covertly influence our democracy at all, ever?
China and Japan also encouraged us not to leave the EU. What's your point? They were pretty open about it.
Trump threatened our country saying that our democratically elected Prime minister's Brexit plan would kill and chance of a US-UK trade deal.
Trump has threatened great British companies secondary sanctions of they do business with Iran even though our sovereign national policy is to honour the nuclear deal with them."
Still no proof at all, remoaners grasping at straws. Using a remark made by the President well after the referendum in an attempt to play down the attempt, in the run up to our referendum, by serving president Obama, to threaten us that we would be bottom of any list in any trade deal with the US if we voted leave.
The nuclear deal with Iran has nothing to do with nations doing business with them. However, I’m not at all rash with Trumps Zionist stance on this. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"I and my entire family voted leave, I even drove some elderly leavers to the polling station and back,
It had absolutely fuck all to do with the Russians. I’m not even aware they had anything invested in our leaving the EU.
Sounds like remoaners attempting to render our referendum victory null and void. Grasping at straws me thinks.
Really?
You don't see the advantage to Russia of breaking up an economic and political power block next door to them?
You don't see the advantage to Russia of disrupting the relationships within NATO?
OK.
This is a direct accusation that Russia was responsible for the referendum result. An accusation that is both baseless and stupid.
Both sides had their own campaigns during the run up to the referendum, and there was no mention of Russia anywhere. On the other hand, Obama came here with his pathetic threats. Why is it that everyone seems to have forgotten that?
Nope. It's a question about if Russia attempted to influence the referendum result. It may not have tried to or it may not have made any significant difference.
You would not wish to know if another country had tried to covertly influence our democracy at all, ever?
China and Japan also encouraged us not to leave the EU. What's your point? They were pretty open about it.
Trump threatened our country saying that our democratically elected Prime minister's Brexit plan would kill and chance of a US-UK trade deal.
Trump has threatened great British companies secondary sanctions of they do business with Iran even though our sovereign national policy is to honour the nuclear deal with them.
Still no proof at all, remoaners grasping at straws. Using a remark made by the President well after the referendum in an attempt to play down the attempt, in the run up to our referendum, by serving president Obama, to threaten us that we would be bottom of any list in any trade deal with the US if we voted leave.
The nuclear deal with Iran has nothing to do with nations doing business with them. However, I’m not at all rash with Trumps Zionist stance on this. "
No proof. Circumstantial evidence. That's how most criminal cases work. You can't get proof until we investigate. Should we investigate or not?
Why is Obama saying we will be ay the back of the queue for a trade deal more of a threat and less acceptable than Trump telling us that our chosen negotiation strategy will kill a trade deal?
The nuclear deal with Iran lifts a range of trade sanctions. America is re-imposing them and will prosecute any British companies that trade in the US but also trade with Iran as per our sovereign foreign policy. |
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"You should wear a tin foil hat to make sure those pesky Russian bots don't get at your brainwaves.
This is like a thread full of Alex Jones conspiracy theory bullshit.
What next flat earth bots"
Goodness knows what the Russians must think of us. Everything is being blamed on them, just because, like the US, they have a strong leader who cares about his own nation first and foremost. |
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"You should wear a tin foil hat to make sure those pesky Russian bots don't get at your brainwaves.
This is like a thread full of Alex Jones conspiracy theory bullshit.
What next flat earth bots
Goodness knows what the Russians must think of us. Everything is being blamed on them, just because, like the US, they have a strong leader who cares about his own nation first and foremost."
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Be thankful those Russian bots are doing all the hard work for us!, if only they could make a cup of tea and some toast as well we'd all be on easy Street. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"You should wear a tin foil hat to make sure those pesky Russian bots don't get at your brainwaves.
This is like a thread full of Alex Jones conspiracy theory bullshit.
What next flat earth bots
Goodness knows what the Russians must think of us. Everything is being blamed on them, just because, like the US, they have a strong leader who cares about his own nation first and foremost..
Be thankful those Russian bots are doing all the hard work for us!, if only they could make a cup of tea and some toast as well we'd all be on easy Street. "
Surely everybody wants to know the truth?
Why are those who voted to leave so scared of an investigation. If there was no Russian interference, then thats fine, wouldn’t you want to feel vindicated, when its proven wrong?
In this day and age the truth is far more malleable than people think. Unfortunately, humans are not geared to filter the contant barrage of information, so its difficult to discern fact from fiction.
Informed choice is difficult, getting bottom to an answer requires time and effort, research many are not willing to do, therefore they accept what ever is given, because they “trust” the source.
Left or Right, you have to be fairly skeptical of the information presented. Everyone has a narrative or an agenda.
The internet itself is just pure unadulterated information. There are sites which attempt to conduct unbiased and unopinionated fact verification like factcheck.org or fullfact.org should be the first place people look for when getting correct information. They are pretty damn good at it as they dedicate resource to it.
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There should be an official investigation, so that the UK understands the legitimacy of the referendum as well as prepares to ensure that future votes are safer.
It's clear that substantial foreign voting and election manipulation or fraud is underway and that this could have massive national security and economic impacts.
The conservatives have struggled to do anything since the vote and their failing competence in shown via inability to manage the Brexit referendum and results in an authoritative and timely manner. |
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"There should be an official investigation, so that the UK understands the legitimacy of the referendum as well as prepares to ensure that future votes are safer.
It's clear that substantial foreign voting and election manipulation or fraud is underway and that this could have massive national security and economic impacts.
The conservatives have struggled to do anything since the vote and their failing competence in shown via inability to manage the Brexit referendum and results in an authoritative and timely manner."
Agree but it will be brushed under the carpet - #cover-up |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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Microsoft says it has detected Russian attempts to hack offices in Germany connected to the European election.
Evidence too from Italy that the populists trying to destabise the EU are funded by Putin. |
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The illegal activities and suspected foreign involvement should have resulted in the result being suspended, whilst an appropriate investigation was implemented. Article 50 certainly should not have been triggered, which is like launching nuclear bombs when you are unsure of gaining approval. |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
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oooo the russians are poking there nose into other ppls elections.shock horror.oh thats right what the west have been doing for years.but as long as the russians are doing it we should all be shocked.yet wen the west destabilise countrys it move along nothing to see here.it happens the world over and allways has done.just with the dawn of the internet you dont need actual bodies on the hround anymore.i really cant belive peeps are only just waking up to how the world operates |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"The illegal activities and suspected foreign involvement should have resulted in the result being suspended, whilst an appropriate investigation was implemented. Article 50 certainly should not have been triggered, which is like launching nuclear bombs when you are unsure of gaining approval. "
I dont think you can equate brexit with launching a nuclear bomb i know you remainers are getting a bit dramatic but come on.
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"Microsoft says it has detected Russian attempts to hack offices in Germany connected to the European election.
Evidence too from Italy that the populists trying to destabise the EU are funded by Putin."
Maybe Microsoft can reveal who are funding the new independent group (tiggers) in the UK. Surely it must be Putin and the Russians  |
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"oooo the russians are poking there nose into other ppls elections.shock horror.oh thats right what the west have been doing for years.but as long as the russians are doing it we should all be shocked.yet wen the west destabilise countrys it move along nothing to see here.it happens the world over and allways has done.just with the dawn of the internet you dont need actual bodies on the hround anymore.i really cant belive peeps are only just waking up to how the world operates"
You do know that the Russians have been doing this since Lenin’s time. Saying the west have also done it does not excuse Putin’s KGB tactics. |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
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"oooo the russians are poking there nose into other ppls elections.shock horror.oh thats right what the west have been doing for years.but as long as the russians are doing it we should all be shocked.yet wen the west destabilise countrys it move along nothing to see here.it happens the world over and allways has done.just with the dawn of the internet you dont need actual bodies on the hround anymore.i really cant belive peeps are only just waking up to how the world operates
You do know that the Russians have been doing this since Lenin’s time. Saying the west have also done it does not excuse Putin’s KGB tactics."
i didnt say it excused it i said most major powers ate all ways trying to destabilise other goverments.its the way the world ticks along |
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"This country, and more recently the United States, has a long history of meddling in other countries, overthrowing regimes we do not like, installing puppet governments etc.
Some "fake news" on social media, some roubles to pay for the DUP adverts, seems quite tame by comparison.
it does not invalidate the result."
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NBC's Dilanian: Senate Probe Finds No Evidence Of Russian Collusion In Trump Campaign
Posted By Ian Schwartz
On Date February 12, 2019
NBC's Dilanian: Senate Probe Finds No Evidence Of Russian Collusion In Trump Campaign
NBC News' intelligence and national security reporter Ken Dilanian reports that the Senate Intelligence Committee has come to a bipartisan conclusion that there is no direct evidence of a conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia.
KEN DILANIAN, NBC NEWS INTELLIGENCE AND NATIONAL SECURITY REPORTER: Hallie, after two years and after interviewing more than 200 witnesses, the Senate Intelligence Committee has not uncovered any direct evidence of a conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia. That's according to sources on both the Republican and the Democratic side of the aisle
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"oooo the russians are poking there nose into other ppls elections.shock horror.oh thats right what the west have been doing for years.but as long as the russians are doing it we should all be shocked.yet wen the west destabilise countrys it move along nothing to see here.it happens the world over and allways has done.just with the dawn of the internet you dont need actual bodies on the hround anymore.i really cant belive peeps are only just waking up to how the world operates
You do know that the Russians have been doing this since Lenin’s time. Saying the west have also done it does not excuse Putin’s KGB tactics."
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Country's have been spying on each other since the dawn of nation states.
It's really really really not unusual |
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