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48% want a 2nd referendum

By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

More than one in three people who voted leave in the 2016 referendum want a second poll on the brexit deal, who else thinks there should be one? You wouldnt buy a house without a 2nd opinion

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

So leave voters want the opportunity to change their minds?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"So leave voters want the opportunity to change their minds?"
That is right, as they are not happy how it goes and the disarray in the government.

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By *lik and PaulCouple over a year ago

Flagrante

Maybe they just want to confirm their vote and stop all the negativity flying about.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"More than one in three people who voted leave in the 2016 referendum want a second poll on the brexit deal, who else thinks there should be one? You wouldnt buy a house without a 2nd opinion

Yeah for some leave voters, the current situation isn’t insane enough, they want even more severe Brexit. As evidence by some of the people who post on here.

Others realised what we all knew from the beginning, which is that it will be a gigantic cluster fuck, and a fight to direct the country towards the least worse option.

I am against a second referendum. We got the worst possible result last time, you clearly can’t trust people with these things.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Maybe they just want to confirm their vote and stop all the negativity flying about."

True.......

I just never got the point on people happy to vote on a blank cheque, but resisting a vote on actual specifics

But that’s me....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Trouble is every time they have a protest it’s a few thousand people, if people really wanted to make any difference then they should turn out in the millions.

If as you say many more want a second referendum the you have to have 20 million plus all down tools at the same time.

Will never happen though because enough people never agree enough to do anything about it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

They voted out they've made their bed .Time to own this shit and stop being a snowflake flip flopping about .

Some responsbility would be a welcome change.

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

Another topic to slag leave voters off atleast you guys are consistent two long yrs off fucking moaning ffs

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By *rincessvenusCouple over a year ago

Hull

you paid your money you made your choice live with it

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

Nice quote lol I am living with it it’s the same ppl posting same old shit it’s just a diffrent day it’s them needs to live with it mate

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By *ammskiMan over a year ago

lytham st.annes

"Nice quote lol I am living with it it’s the same ppl posting same old shit it’s just a diffrent day it’s them needs to live with it mate "

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"More than one in three people who voted leave in the 2016 referendum want a second poll on the brexit deal, who else thinks there should be one? You wouldnt buy a house without a 2nd opinion

Based on a sample of how many people OP?

Is this the same as your claim in another thread that 100 Leave constituencies would now vote remain, based on a sample of around 23 people per constituency?

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Maybe they just want to confirm their vote and stop all the negativity flying about."

I'd vote Leave again. Virtually none of remains ridiculous forecasts and predictions made during the referendum in 2016 have come true.

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By *tace 309TV/TS over a year ago

durham

"More than one in three people who voted leave in the 2016 referendum want a second poll on the brexit deal, who else thinks there should be one? You wouldnt buy a house without a 2nd opinion

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where did you get that figure from ..been eating too many haribos again . .we had a vote .we had a result .just respect it .its not a competition .its not best out of three . drop these crap threads,you keep putting out .I'd personally like to give you one big wooden spoon .you are a stirrer

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By *tace 309TV/TS over a year ago

durham

"More than one in three people who voted leave in the 2016 referendum want a second poll on the brexit deal, who else thinks there should be one? You wouldnt buy a house without a 2nd opinion

where did you get that figure from ..been eating too many haribos again . .we had a vote .we had a result .just respect it .its not a competition .its not best out of three . drop these crap threads,you keep putting out .I'd personally like to give you one big wooden spoon .you are a stirrer "
I'd never stop voting leave no matter how much the remoaners keep on crying about it

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"They voted out they've made their bed .Time to own this shit and stop being a snowflake flip flopping about .

Some responsbility would be a welcome change."

You know that's never going to happen. When leave voters realise what a total fuck up Brexit is, they will blame it on the people who wanted to stay in in the first place! You can see it happening already

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Maybe they just want to confirm their vote and stop all the negativity flying about.

I'd vote Leave again. Virtually none of remains ridiculous forecasts and predictions made during the referendum in 2016 have come true.

Now they are rolling out project fear again, what makes them think anyone will believe them now they've been discredited? The ridiculous nature of the things they're saying is a clear indication of how truly desperate they really are. "
the economy is a long term game. It was daft to make 2 year predictions about anything which can swing with the weather. My bigger concern would be how difficult it has been to date, given promises of easiest deal ever etc.

If you voted for ideological things such as border control and sovereignty then any brexit is okay. Even if our sovereign government ties itself to the Eu then that’s its prerogative.

If you voted because of the economy, I think we’re still in shakey ground to understand if anything leave promised (or counter acted “project fear”) then I’d say there has been neither green shoots of recovery or signs of a hard winter.

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

"They voted out they've made their bed .Time to own this shit and stop being a snowflake flip flopping about .

Some responsbility would be a welcome change.

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

"More than one in three people who voted leave in the 2016 referendum want a second poll on the brexit deal, who else thinks there should be one? You wouldnt buy a house without a 2nd opinion

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Funny that means 52% do not want another referendum so same result ha ha ha.

Now grow up and stop moaning

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"More than one in three people who voted leave in the 2016 referendum want a second poll on the brexit deal, who else thinks there should be one? You wouldnt buy a house without a 2nd opinion

Funny that means 52% do not want another referendum so same result ha ha ha.

Now grow up and stop moaning"
depends on what those who voted remain say... it’s 48% of leavers according to the above.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

"When leave voters realise what a total fuck up Brexit is, they will blame it on the people who wanted to stay in in the first place! You can see it happening already "

They are already blaming Brussels.

Complaining the EU won't let the UK keep the benefits of membership.

There must be some stupid people out there who believe their bullshit.

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By *herrypinupCouple over a year ago

Bath

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By *bandjam91Couple over a year ago

London

"More than one in three people who voted leave in the 2016 referendum want a second poll on the brexit deal, who else thinks there should be one? You wouldnt buy a house without a 2nd opinion

Based on a sample of how many people OP?

Is this the same as your claim in another thread that 100 Leave constituencies would now vote remain, based on a sample of around 23 people per constituency?

As pointed out in a previous thread the 100 constituency result was based on a sample of 15,000 people, weighted to be representative of the population.

And don't worry, if that's not enough data the Peoples Vote campaign just got a million quid donation to fund more opinion polls.

The tide's turned and the Brexit picnic blanket is going to be under water before you know it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"More than one in three people who voted leave in the 2016 referendum want a second poll on the brexit deal, who else thinks there should be one? You wouldnt buy a house without a 2nd opinion

Based on a sample of how many people OP?

Is this the same as your claim in another thread that 100 Leave constituencies would now vote remain, based on a sample of around 23 people per constituency?

As pointed out in a previous thread the 100 constituency result was based on a sample of 15,000 people, weighted to be representative of the population.

And don't worry, if that's not enough data the Peoples Vote campaign just got a million quid donation to fund more opinion polls.

The tide's turned and the Brexit picnic blanket is going to be under water before you know it.

I don’t think it is turning the tide, we don’t know what the options on the ballot paper will be, we can’t trust people to vote on these things.

I think a second referendum will only make things even worse.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"More than one in three people who voted leave in the 2016 referendum want a second poll on the brexit deal, who else thinks there should be one? You wouldnt buy a house without a 2nd opinion

Based on a sample of how many people OP?

Is this the same as your claim in another thread that 100 Leave constituencies would now vote remain, based on a sample of around 23 people per constituency?

As pointed out in a previous thread the 100 constituency result was based on a sample of 15,000 people, weighted to be representative of the population.

And don't worry, if that's not enough data the Peoples Vote campaign just got a million quid donation to fund more opinion polls.

The tide's turned and the Brexit picnic blanket is going to be under water before you know it.

I don’t think it is turning the tide, we don’t know what the options on the ballot paper will be, we can’t trust people to vote on these things.

I think a second referendum will only make things even worse. "

It’s a conundrum. A second vote would (to some) undermine democracy.

But our democracy is one of voting to give parliament the decision making power. Yet we already see a bandwagon of people complaining because the look and feel of brexit isn’t the feel they want....

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"More than one in three people who voted leave in the 2016 referendum want a second poll on the brexit deal, who else thinks there should be one? You wouldnt buy a house without a 2nd opinion

Funny that means 52% do not want another referendum so same result ha ha ha.

Now grow up and stop moaningdepends on what those who voted remain say... it’s 48% of leavers according to the above. "
That is right, it is not about remainers, but leavers.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"More than one in three people who voted leave in the 2016 referendum want a second poll on the brexit deal, who else thinks there should be one? You wouldnt buy a house without a 2nd opinion

Based on a sample of how many people OP?

Is this the same as your claim in another thread that 100 Leave constituencies would now vote remain, based on a sample of around 23 people per constituency?

As pointed out in a previous thread the 100 constituency result was based on a sample of 15,000 people, weighted to be representative of the population.

And don't worry, if that's not enough data the Peoples Vote campaign just got a million quid donation to fund more opinion polls.

The tide's turned and the Brexit picnic blanket is going to be under water before you know it.

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That is right

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By *lik and PaulCouple over a year ago

Flagrante

"More than one in three people who voted leave in the 2016 referendum want a second poll on the brexit deal, who else thinks there should be one? You wouldnt buy a house without a 2nd opinion

Based on a sample of how many people OP?

Is this the same as your claim in another thread that 100 Leave constituencies would now vote remain, based on a sample of around 23 people per constituency?

As pointed out in a previous thread the 100 constituency result was based on a sample of 15,000 people, weighted to be representative of the population.

And don't worry, if that's not enough data the Peoples Vote campaign just got a million quid donation to fund more opinion polls.

The tide's turned and the Brexit picnic blanket is going to be under water before you know it.

That is right

But it's still going to happen so now it's about making it the best it can be.

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By *bandjam91Couple over a year ago

London

"More than one in three people who voted leave in the 2016 referendum want a second poll on the brexit deal, who else thinks there should be one? You wouldnt buy a house without a 2nd opinion

Based on a sample of how many people OP?

Is this the same as your claim in another thread that 100 Leave constituencies would now vote remain, based on a sample of around 23 people per constituency?

As pointed out in a previous thread the 100 constituency result was based on a sample of 15,000 people, weighted to be representative of the population.

And don't worry, if that's not enough data the Peoples Vote campaign just got a million quid donation to fund more opinion polls.

The tide's turned and the Brexit picnic blanket is going to be under water before you know it.

That is right

But it's still going to happen so now it's about making it the best it can be."

Nothing is guaranteed at all.

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By *bandjam91Couple over a year ago

London

"More than one in three people who voted leave in the 2016 referendum want a second poll on the brexit deal, who else thinks there should be one? You wouldnt buy a house without a 2nd opinion

Based on a sample of how many people OP?

Is this the same as your claim in another thread that 100 Leave constituencies would now vote remain, based on a sample of around 23 people per constituency?

As pointed out in a previous thread the 100 constituency result was based on a sample of 15,000 people, weighted to be representative of the population.

And don't worry, if that's not enough data the Peoples Vote campaign just got a million quid donation to fund more opinion polls.

The tide's turned and the Brexit picnic blanket is going to be under water before you know it.

I don’t think it is turning the tide, we don’t know what the options on the ballot paper will be, we can’t trust people to vote on these things.

I think a second referendum will only make things even worse.

It’s a conundrum. A second vote would (to some) undermine democracy.

You can't undermine democracy with democracy

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By *lik and PaulCouple over a year ago

Flagrante

"More than one in three people who voted leave in the 2016 referendum want a second poll on the brexit deal, who else thinks there should be one? You wouldnt buy a house without a 2nd opinion

Based on a sample of how many people OP?

Is this the same as your claim in another thread that 100 Leave constituencies would now vote remain, based on a sample of around 23 people per constituency?

As pointed out in a previous thread the 100 constituency result was based on a sample of 15,000 people, weighted to be representative of the population.

And don't worry, if that's not enough data the Peoples Vote campaign just got a million quid donation to fund more opinion polls.

The tide's turned and the Brexit picnic blanket is going to be under water before you know it.

That is right

But it's still going to happen so now it's about making it the best it can be.

Nothing is guaranteed at all. "

Indeed, and while people squabble in the media it gives the impression nothing is going well behind the scenes but as with all negotiations we will never know what is truly going on. The only guarantee, as both main political parties clearly have the same mantra, is that brexit will happen in one form or another.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"More than one in three people who voted leave in the 2016 referendum want a second poll on the brexit deal, who else thinks there should be one? You wouldnt buy a house without a 2nd opinion

Based on a sample of how many people OP?

Is this the same as your claim in another thread that 100 Leave constituencies would now vote remain, based on a sample of around 23 people per constituency?

As pointed out in a previous thread the 100 constituency result was based on a sample of 15,000 people, weighted to be representative of the population.

And don't worry, if that's not enough data the Peoples Vote campaign just got a million quid donation to fund more opinion polls.

The tide's turned and the Brexit picnic blanket is going to be under water before you know it.

I don’t think it is turning the tide, we don’t know what the options on the ballot paper will be, we can’t trust people to vote on these things.

I think a second referendum will only make things even worse.

It’s a conundrum. A second vote would (to some) undermine democracy.

You can't undermine democracy with democracy "

But to some it will feel that way !

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"More than one in three people who voted leave in the 2016 referendum want a second poll on the brexit deal, who else thinks there should be one? You wouldnt buy a house without a 2nd opinion

Based on a sample of how many people OP?

Is this the same as your claim in another thread that 100 Leave constituencies would now vote remain, based on a sample of around 23 people per constituency?

As pointed out in a previous thread the 100 constituency result was based on a sample of 15,000 people, weighted to be representative of the population.

And don't worry, if that's not enough data the Peoples Vote campaign just got a million quid donation to fund more opinion polls.

The tide's turned and the Brexit picnic blanket is going to be under water before you know it.

That is right

But it's still going to happen so now it's about making it the best it can be."

I think most people agree that we’re stuck where we are. The least worse option is what we’re talking about aiming for here.

But I’m against giving the people the vote for that. Plenty of people will vote for driving the country off the cliff again. But this time with no seatbelts on.

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

According to a Lib Dem leaflet that came through my door, the Royal College of Nursing backs another referendum

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By *lik and PaulCouple over a year ago

Flagrante

"According to a Lib Dem leaflet that came through my door, the Royal College of Nursing backs another referendum "

But neither the lib dems or the royal college of nursing are in a position of power to make it happen.

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By *leasure domMan over a year ago

Edinburgh

It's hard to negotiate with gangsters and, sure enough, the EU continues to demonstrate that it is incapable of negotiating in good faith.

Against that, a strong team singing from the same hymn book is essential, without being undermined at every opportunity.

The UK is very far away from being in that resolute position.

Strong and stable, my arse!

Post-brexit, we Scots must unencumber ourselves from the onerous burden of an incompetent, crumbling, chaotic westmidden at the earliest opportunity.

Fortunately, all the arguments which have been deployed by the establishment in favour of brexit can be turned against them and in support of Scotland's huge need for self-determination.

Ruled by another country which fails to understand us and cares even less - no thanks. Bye bye.

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By *ara JTV/TS over a year ago

Bristol East

I don't want a 2nd referendum.

We made our bed, now we lie in it.

We look to the leaders of the 52 per cent for inspiration, for a vision, for a clue they know what they are doing.

We're setting sail on the good ship Britannia.

Will the waters ahead be choppy or calm?

Do you trust the captain to go down with the ship and ensure the women (that includes trans women btw) and children have done the lifejacket drill?

Rule Britannia!

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

"I don't want a 2nd referendum.

We made our bed, now we lie in it.

We look to the leaders of the 52 per cent for inspiration, for a vision, for a clue they know what they are doing.

We're setting sail on the good ship Britannia.

Will the waters ahead be choppy or calm?

Do you trust the captain to go down with the ship and ensure the women (that includes trans women btw) and children have done the lifejacket drill?

Rule Britannia!

The Brexit You Tube video is not Brittania, it is the Titanic, with the brave 52% leaders leaving the sinking ship - you should watch it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Brexiturds in goverment won't go down with the ship.Everyone knows their floaters.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"More than one in three people who voted leave in the 2016 referendum want a second poll on the brexit deal, who else thinks there should be one? You wouldnt buy a house without a 2nd opinion

Based on a sample of how many people OP?

Is this the same as your claim in another thread that 100 Leave constituencies would now vote remain, based on a sample of around 23 people per constituency?

As pointed out in a previous thread the 100 constituency result was based on a sample of 15,000 people, weighted to be representative of the population.

And don't worry, if that's not enough data the Peoples Vote campaign just got a million quid donation to fund more opinion polls.

The tide's turned and the Brexit picnic blanket is going to be under water before you know it.

Keep dreaming.

If the owner of Superdry wants to lose leave voting customers and chuck a million quid down the drain by donation to the peoples vote campaign that's upto him but I suspect he's wasting both his time and his money. As a previous Superdry customer I certainly won't be purchasing any Superdry products ever again in future and I have leave voting friends who will also be boycotting the Superdry company from now on.

The latest opinion poll on Brexit suggests the tide categorically isn't turning as 62% have not changed their mind about Brexit. Only 13% have changed their minds and the majority of those are remainers who would now vote Leave. A 2nd referendum would now deliver a bigger majority for Leave.

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By *bandjam91Couple over a year ago

London

"More than one in three people who voted leave in the 2016 referendum want a second poll on the brexit deal, who else thinks there should be one? You wouldnt buy a house without a 2nd opinion

Based on a sample of how many people OP?

Is this the same as your claim in another thread that 100 Leave constituencies would now vote remain, based on a sample of around 23 people per constituency?

As pointed out in a previous thread the 100 constituency result was based on a sample of 15,000 people, weighted to be representative of the population.

And don't worry, if that's not enough data the Peoples Vote campaign just got a million quid donation to fund more opinion polls.

The tide's turned and the Brexit picnic blanket is going to be under water before you know it.

Keep dreaming.

What poll is that then?

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By *bandjam91Couple over a year ago

London

"More than one in three people who voted leave in the 2016 referendum want a second poll on the brexit deal, who else thinks there should be one? You wouldnt buy a house without a 2nd opinion

Based on a sample of how many people OP?

Is this the same as your claim in another thread that 100 Leave constituencies would now vote remain, based on a sample of around 23 people per constituency?

As pointed out in a previous thread the 100 constituency result was based on a sample of 15,000 people, weighted to be representative of the population.

And don't worry, if that's not enough data the Peoples Vote campaign just got a million quid donation to fund more opinion polls.

The tide's turned and the Brexit picnic blanket is going to be under water before you know it.

That is right

But it's still going to happen so now it's about making it the best it can be.

Nothing is guaranteed at all.

Their mantra will change with public opinion.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"More than one in three people who voted leave in the 2016 referendum want a second poll on the brexit deal, who else thinks there should be one? You wouldnt buy a house without a 2nd opinion

Based on a sample of how many people OP?

Is this the same as your claim in another thread that 100 Leave constituencies would now vote remain, based on a sample of around 23 people per constituency?

As pointed out in a previous thread the 100 constituency result was based on a sample of 15,000 people, weighted to be representative of the population.

And don't worry, if that's not enough data the Peoples Vote campaign just got a million quid donation to fund more opinion polls.

The tide's turned and the Brexit picnic blanket is going to be under water before you know it.

Keep dreaming.

What poll is that then?"

Deltapoll for The Sun on Sunday.

The Deltapoll results will send a clear message to the Prime minister and the government that the public just want Brexit delivered. The message from the public is "just get on with it".

Not only this, Nigel Farage has also just announced his return to front line politics in the UK. He has joined up with the Leave means Leave campaign group and will be touring the country to get the Brexit message out there.

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By *bandjam91Couple over a year ago

London

"More than one in three people who voted leave in the 2016 referendum want a second poll on the brexit deal, who else thinks there should be one? You wouldnt buy a house without a 2nd opinion

Based on a sample of how many people OP?

Is this the same as your claim in another thread that 100 Leave constituencies would now vote remain, based on a sample of around 23 people per constituency?

As pointed out in a previous thread the 100 constituency result was based on a sample of 15,000 people, weighted to be representative of the population.

And don't worry, if that's not enough data the Peoples Vote campaign just got a million quid donation to fund more opinion polls.

The tide's turned and the Brexit picnic blanket is going to be under water before you know it.

Keep dreaming.

Ha, never mind I've found it. So, earlier in this thread you're laughing at a poll with a sample size of 15,000 to now be quoting one with a sample size of 1,904. Do you know how many that is per constituency? 2.92

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By *lik and PaulCouple over a year ago

Flagrante

"More than one in three people who voted leave in the 2016 referendum want a second poll on the brexit deal, who else thinks there should be one? You wouldnt buy a house without a 2nd opinion

Based on a sample of how many people OP?

Is this the same as your claim in another thread that 100 Leave constituencies would now vote remain, based on a sample of around 23 people per constituency?

As pointed out in a previous thread the 100 constituency result was based on a sample of 15,000 people, weighted to be representative of the population.

And don't worry, if that's not enough data the Peoples Vote campaign just got a million quid donation to fund more opinion polls.

The tide's turned and the Brexit picnic blanket is going to be under water before you know it.

That is right

But it's still going to happen so now it's about making it the best it can be.

Nothing is guaranteed at all.

Their mantra will change with public opinion."

Well if all the stuff that is spouted in here is to be believed then public opinion has changed....but their mantra hasn't.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Opinion polls measure the publics satisfaction with its ignorance.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"More than one in three people who voted leave in the 2016 referendum want a second poll on the brexit deal, who else thinks there should be one? You wouldnt buy a house without a 2nd opinion

Based on a sample of how many people OP?

Is this the same as your claim in another thread that 100 Leave constituencies would now vote remain, based on a sample of around 23 people per constituency?

As pointed out in a previous thread the 100 constituency result was based on a sample of 15,000 people, weighted to be representative of the population.

And don't worry, if that's not enough data the Peoples Vote campaign just got a million quid donation to fund more opinion polls.

The tide's turned and the Brexit picnic blanket is going to be under water before you know it.

Keep dreaming.

How can you have 2.92% of a person? Yet more evidence here that remainers don't live in the real world.

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

"More than one in three people who voted leave in the 2016 referendum want a second poll on the brexit deal, who else thinks there should be one? You wouldnt buy a house without a 2nd opinion

Based on a sample of how many people OP?

Is this the same as your claim in another thread that 100 Leave constituencies would now vote remain, based on a sample of around 23 people per constituency?

As pointed out in a previous thread the 100 constituency result was based on a sample of 15,000 people, weighted to be representative of the population.

And don't worry, if that's not enough data the Peoples Vote campaign just got a million quid donation to fund more opinion polls.

The tide's turned and the Brexit picnic blanket is going to be under water before you know it.

Keep dreaming.

How can you have 2.92% of a person? Yet more evidence here that remainers don't live in the real world.

I believe it is an absolute number based on the number of parliamentary seats, as opposed to a percentage.

If Brexit is so clearly what people want, and you are so convinced, then why not allow another vote - it is a democract after all. Perhaps it will return a resounding vote to continue with this shambles. The thing is most Brexiteers seem to doubt this, which is why they are so adamant that their shouldn’t be a second vote.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"More than one in three people who voted leave in the 2016 referendum want a second poll on the brexit deal, who else thinks there should be one? You wouldnt buy a house without a 2nd opinion

Based on a sample of how many people OP?

Is this the same as your claim in another thread that 100 Leave constituencies would now vote remain, based on a sample of around 23 people per constituency?

As pointed out in a previous thread the 100 constituency result was based on a sample of 15,000 people, weighted to be representative of the population.

And don't worry, if that's not enough data the Peoples Vote campaign just got a million quid donation to fund more opinion polls.

The tide's turned and the Brexit picnic blanket is going to be under water before you know it.

Keep dreaming.

How can you have 2.92% of a person? Yet more evidence here that remainers don't live in the real world.

The percentages that you've quoted don't actually add up do they?

About 1 million voters are dead and can't change their minds. 75% over 67 and more likely to vote leave.

1.4 million new voters more likely to vote Remain who didn't have a vote to change.

No methodology or actual questions available yet.

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By *lik and PaulCouple over a year ago

Flagrante

"More than one in three people who voted leave in the 2016 referendum want a second poll on the brexit deal, who else thinks there should be one? You wouldnt buy a house without a 2nd opinion

Based on a sample of how many people OP?

Is this the same as your claim in another thread that 100 Leave constituencies would now vote remain, based on a sample of around 23 people per constituency?

As pointed out in a previous thread the 100 constituency result was based on a sample of 15,000 people, weighted to be representative of the population.

And don't worry, if that's not enough data the Peoples Vote campaign just got a million quid donation to fund more opinion polls.

The tide's turned and the Brexit picnic blanket is going to be under water before you know it.

Keep dreaming.

How can you have 2.92% of a person? Yet more evidence here that remainers don't live in the real world.

I believe it is an absolute number based on the number of parliamentary seats, as opposed to a percentage.

....or a third or a fourth??.... if a second vote gave the same result all of the negativity and guessing would continue. If it returned a different result there would no doubt be as much negativity from the leave side would would, of course, want another vote....best of three, why not.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

Do die-hard Brexiteers worry that the majority of the electorate is not stupid?

Many people who voted to Remain made and make the same mistake. The lower education of those who voted to Leave does not make them stupid. It limits their opportunity to analyse data and look at the information behind the headlines.

Both campaigns treated them as stupid. Both using fear. One on economics, the other using immigration.

By far the majority do not give a toss about the EU. They have an opinion because they had to.

For most people the question is; will my life be better or worse?

Leaving the EU sounded like change for the better.

Voters are perfectly able to understand if what they are finally going to be offered will make their lives better.

Why should they not make a decision based on the reality rather than fear and undeliverable promises?

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By *ercuryMan over a year ago

Grantham

"Do die-hard Brexiteers worry that the majority of the electorate is not stupid?

Both campaigns treated them as stupid. Both using fear. One on economics, the other using immigration.

By far the majority do not give a toss about the EU. They have an opinion because they had to.

For most people the question is; will my life be better or worse?

Leaving the EU sounded like change for the better.

Voters are perfectly able to understand if what they are finally going to be offered will make their lives better.

Why should they not make a decision based on the reality rather than fear and undeliverable promises?

"The lower education of those who voted to Leave...."

How are you quantifying that remark, or is that just a sweeping statement?

Have you asked each and everyone of them what their qualifications are?

Does their vote count less if they haven't been to university?

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By *oubepoMan over a year ago

Spain Portugal France

I enjoy meeting remainers who believe they are intellectually superior to leavers and claim leavers didn't know what they were voting for.

I often slip a few questions into the conversation about the EU, just random questions to test their knowledge, on subjects such the ECJ, Schengen, the EU commission etc.

Nothing too difficult, just simple questions

Ironically, It's clear the majority of remainers didn't have a Scooby Doo what they voted for!

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"Do die-hard Brexiteers worry that the majority of the electorate is not stupid?

Both campaigns treated them as stupid. Both using fear. One on economics, the other using immigration.

By far the majority do not give a toss about the EU. They have an opinion because they had to.

For most people the question is; will my life be better or worse?

Leaving the EU sounded like change for the better.

Voters are perfectly able to understand if what they are finally going to be offered will make their lives better.

Why should they not make a decision based on the reality rather than fear and undeliverable promises?

"The lower education of those who voted to Leave...."

How are you quantifying that remark, or is that just a sweeping statement?

Have you asked each and everyone of them what their qualifications are?

Does their vote count less if they haven't been to university?

Did you read what I wrote?

There is a correlation between high levels of educational attainment and voting to Remain. This information is news to you?

The entire point of what I have written is to make it clear that this is NOT the same as being stupid bit BOTH sides of the referendum campaign did and do treat most voters as stupid.

I am saying that it will be difficult to continue the BS once an actual choice is laid out rather than promises of disaster or Eden.

What did you read? Did your confirmation bias make up my post based on a few words that lead tiu to your own conclusion?

It's a very common problem with every decision people make.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

" I enjoy meeting remainers who believe they are intellectually superior to leavers and claim leavers didn't know what they were voting for.

I often slip a few questions into the conversation about the EU, just random questions to test their knowledge, on subjects such the ECJ, Schengen, the EU commission etc.

Nothing too difficult, just simple questions

Ironically, It's clear the majority of remainers didn't have a Scooby Doo what they voted for!"

You've just done exactly the same thing as. The previous poster.

Clever you.

Many Brexiteers are equally clueless. Have a look at the cognitive bias thread or the one specifically on the ECJ or Sovereignty.

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By *oubepoMan over a year ago

Spain Portugal France

" I enjoy meeting remainers who believe they are intellectually superior to leavers and claim leavers didn't know what they were voting for.

I often slip a few questions into the conversation about the EU, just random questions to test their knowledge, on subjects such the ECJ, Schengen, the EU commission etc.

Nothing too difficult, just simple questions

Ironically, It's clear the majority of remainers didn't have a Scooby Doo what they voted for!

You've just done exactly the same thing as. The previous poster.

Clever you.

Many Brexiteers are equally clueless. Have a look at the cognitive bias thread or the one specifically on the ECJ or Sovereignty."

I'm sure your 'cognitive bias thread' on a swinging site forum is very interesting and informative

I meet UK nationals all the time, both in business and those on vacation or own second homes and Brexit is always a hot topic

It's clear in conversation, that the majority of Remainers have zero understanding of the EU, the ECJ or the Commission, yet many claim to be intellectually superior on the subject

Perhaps this false belief of superiority, lost Remain the referendum in the first place?

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

" I enjoy meeting remainers who believe they are intellectually superior to leavers and claim leavers didn't know what they were voting for.

I often slip a few questions into the conversation about the EU, just random questions to test their knowledge, on subjects such the ECJ, Schengen, the EU commission etc.

Nothing too difficult, just simple questions

Ironically, It's clear the majority of remainers didn't have a Scooby Doo what they voted for!

You've just done exactly the same thing as. The previous poster.

Clever you.

Many Brexiteers are equally clueless. Have a look at the cognitive bias thread or the one specifically on the ECJ or Sovereignty.

I'm sure your 'cognitive bias thread' on a swinging site forum is very interesting and informative

I meet UK nationals all the time, both in business and those on vacation or own second homes and Brexit is always a hot topic

It's clear in conversation, that the majority of Remainers have zero understanding of the EU, the ECJ or the Commission, yet many claim to be intellectually superior on the subject

Perhaps this false belief of superiority, lost Remain the referendum in the first place?

So your extensive polling of Leave voters indicates that they know all about the EU and the ECJ and the Commission?

I claim no intellectual superiority. Do you?

Perhaps a false belief of superiority lost the referendum for Remain. Perhaps the dame false belief will lose Leave a vote on the final deal.

How is the opinion that you have posted pertinent to the point that I made on the subject of a vote on the final Brexit deal?

Do you think that voters should not have the choice given a choice based on a known deal rather than promises and exaggerations?

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By *oubepoMan over a year ago

Spain Portugal France

" I enjoy meeting remainers who believe they are intellectually superior to leavers and claim leavers didn't know what they were voting for.

I often slip a few questions into the conversation about the EU, just random questions to test their knowledge, on subjects such the ECJ, Schengen, the EU commission etc.

Nothing too difficult, just simple questions

Ironically, It's clear the majority of remainers didn't have a Scooby Doo what they voted for!

You've just done exactly the same thing as. The previous poster.

Clever you.

Many Brexiteers are equally clueless. Have a look at the cognitive bias thread or the one specifically on the ECJ or Sovereignty.

I'm sure your 'cognitive bias thread' on a swinging site forum is very interesting and informative

I meet UK nationals all the time, both in business and those on vacation or own second homes and Brexit is always a hot topic

It's clear in conversation, that the majority of Remainers have zero understanding of the EU, the ECJ or the Commission, yet many claim to be intellectually superior on the subject

Perhaps this false belief of superiority, lost Remain the referendum in the first place?

So your extensive polling of Leave voters indicates that they know all about the EU and the ECJ and the Commission?

I claim no intellectual superiority. Do you?

Perhaps a false belief of superiority lost the referendum for Remain. Perhaps the dame false belief will lose Leave a vote on the final deal.

How is the opinion that you have posted pertinent to the point that I made on the subject of a vote on the final Brexit deal?

Do you think that voters should not have the choice given a choice based on a known deal rather than promises and exaggerations?"

There will be no immediate second referendum, or a vote on the final Brexit deal - sorry to break it to you.

So arguing about a purely hypothetical situation is totally irrelevant

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

" I enjoy meeting remainers who believe they are intellectually superior to leavers and claim leavers didn't know what they were voting for.

I often slip a few questions into the conversation about the EU, just random questions to test their knowledge, on subjects such the ECJ, Schengen, the EU commission etc.

Nothing too difficult, just simple questions

Ironically, It's clear the majority of remainers didn't have a Scooby Doo what they voted for!

You've just done exactly the same thing as. The previous poster.

Clever you.

Many Brexiteers are equally clueless. Have a look at the cognitive bias thread or the one specifically on the ECJ or Sovereignty.

I'm sure your 'cognitive bias thread' on a swinging site forum is very interesting and informative

I meet UK nationals all the time, both in business and those on vacation or own second homes and Brexit is always a hot topic

It's clear in conversation, that the majority of Remainers have zero understanding of the EU, the ECJ or the Commission, yet many claim to be intellectually superior on the subject

Perhaps this false belief of superiority, lost Remain the referendum in the first place?

So your extensive polling of Leave voters indicates that they know all about the EU and the ECJ and the Commission?

I claim no intellectual superiority. Do you?

Perhaps a false belief of superiority lost the referendum for Remain. Perhaps the dame false belief will lose Leave a vote on the final deal.

How is the opinion that you have posted pertinent to the point that I made on the subject of a vote on the final Brexit deal?

Do you think that voters should not have the choice given a choice based on a known deal rather than promises and exaggerations?

There will be no immediate second referendum, or a vote on the final Brexit deal - sorry to break it to you.

So arguing about a purely hypothetical situation is totally irrelevant

So you cannot or will not respond to a couple of very simple questions? Some not at all hypothetical.

You are the guy who made the assertion that thousands of girls were being abused in the UK but the establishment and press were covering it up right? Let alone provide evidence you could not even indicate any information regarding this.

Forgive me if I find any statement that you make extraordinarily unreliable.

Have a nice day not being in the UK.

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By *oubepoMan over a year ago

Spain Portugal France

" I enjoy meeting remainers who believe they are intellectually superior to leavers and claim leavers didn't know what they were voting for.

I often slip a few questions into the conversation about the EU, just random questions to test their knowledge, on subjects such the ECJ, Schengen, the EU commission etc.

Nothing too difficult, just simple questions

Ironically, It's clear the majority of remainers didn't have a Scooby Doo what they voted for!

You've just done exactly the same thing as. The previous poster.

Clever you.

Many Brexiteers are equally clueless. Have a look at the cognitive bias thread or the one specifically on the ECJ or Sovereignty.

I'm sure your 'cognitive bias thread' on a swinging site forum is very interesting and informative

I meet UK nationals all the time, both in business and those on vacation or own second homes and Brexit is always a hot topic

It's clear in conversation, that the majority of Remainers have zero understanding of the EU, the ECJ or the Commission, yet many claim to be intellectually superior on the subject

Perhaps this false belief of superiority, lost Remain the referendum in the first place?

So your extensive polling of Leave voters indicates that they know all about the EU and the ECJ and the Commission?

I claim no intellectual superiority. Do you?

Perhaps a false belief of superiority lost the referendum for Remain. Perhaps the dame false belief will lose Leave a vote on the final deal.

How is the opinion that you have posted pertinent to the point that I made on the subject of a vote on the final Brexit deal?

Do you think that voters should not have the choice given a choice based on a known deal rather than promises and exaggerations?

There will be no immediate second referendum, or a vote on the final Brexit deal - sorry to break it to you.

So arguing about a purely hypothetical situation is totally irrelevant

So you cannot or will not respond to a couple of very simple questions? Some not at all hypothetical.

Forgive me if I find any statement that you make extraordinarily unreliable.

Have a nice day not being in the UK."

There will be no second referendum

Lets meet back here on March 29th 2019 and see who's statements are most reliable

As for not being in the UK or a UK National - I didn't realise it was a requirement to post on here?

I thought it was the Leavers who were supposedly trying to make Johnny Foreigner feel unwelcome?

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

As asked earlier, if both sides are so convinced that they will win, then why not have another vote? We live in a democracy where people often change there minds at a general election. Given that this is more momentous than any General Election it is not unreasonable to ask the electorate to confirm if they are getting what they wanted.

Everyone bandies round statements that people knew exactly what they voted for - sorry but that it bs. This is not about IQ or any other form of intelligence measure. At the last referendum the Leave campaign made up spurious figures to appeal to people. Jacob Rees Mogg didn’t point out that it might take 50 years for us to feel better off. People made protest votes and are now questioning the mess we are getting into. Quite rightly they feel they (we) should be able to vote on whatever the outcome should be.

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By *oubepoMan over a year ago

Spain Portugal France

"As asked earlier, if both sides are so convinced that they will win, then why not have another vote? We live in a democracy where people often change there minds at a general election. Given that this is more momentous than any General Election it is not unreasonable to ask the electorate to confirm if they are getting what they wanted.

Except Jacob Rees Mogg didn't actually say it would take 50 years for you to feel better off

What he actually said was "The overwhelming opportunity for Brexit is over the next 50 years"

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

" I enjoy meeting remainers who believe they are intellectually superior to leavers and claim leavers didn't know what they were voting for.

I often slip a few questions into the conversation about the EU, just random questions to test their knowledge, on subjects such the ECJ, Schengen, the EU commission etc.

Nothing too difficult, just simple questions

Ironically, It's clear the majority of remainers didn't have a Scooby Doo what they voted for!

You've just done exactly the same thing as. The previous poster.

Clever you.

Many Brexiteers are equally clueless. Have a look at the cognitive bias thread or the one specifically on the ECJ or Sovereignty.

I'm sure your 'cognitive bias thread' on a swinging site forum is very interesting and informative

I meet UK nationals all the time, both in business and those on vacation or own second homes and Brexit is always a hot topic

It's clear in conversation, that the majority of Remainers have zero understanding of the EU, the ECJ or the Commission, yet many claim to be intellectually superior on the subject

Perhaps this false belief of superiority, lost Remain the referendum in the first place?

So your extensive polling of Leave voters indicates that they know all about the EU and the ECJ and the Commission?

I claim no intellectual superiority. Do you?

Perhaps a false belief of superiority lost the referendum for Remain. Perhaps the dame false belief will lose Leave a vote on the final deal.

How is the opinion that you have posted pertinent to the point that I made on the subject of a vote on the final Brexit deal?

Do you think that voters should not have the choice given a choice based on a known deal rather than promises and exaggerations?

There will be no immediate second referendum, or a vote on the final Brexit deal - sorry to break it to you.

So arguing about a purely hypothetical situation is totally irrelevant

So you cannot or will not respond to a couple of very simple questions? Some not at all hypothetical.

Forgive me if I find any statement that you make extraordinarily unreliable.

Have a nice day not being in the UK.

There will be no second referendum

Lets meet back here on March 29th 2019 and see who's statements are most reliable

As for not being in the UK or a UK National - I didn't realise it was a requirement to post on here?

I thought it was the Leavers who were supposedly trying to make Johnny Foreigner feel unwelcome?

You can say what you like, with or without information to back up what you state. You evidently prefer the latter approach.

Not living in a country makes it difficult to judge the daily experience of life there or judge public mood.

In my opinion.

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By *lik and PaulCouple over a year ago

Flagrante

There is a correlation between high levels of educational attainment and voting to Remain. This information is news to you?

Certainly news to me as no one can actually know the truth on this subject without actually questioning everyone who voted. Good to see its taken longer than usual with these threads though to tarnish all leave voters as thickos.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

There is a correlation between high levels of educational attainment and voting to Remain. This information is news to you?

Except I didn't.

Read again.

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By *lik and PaulCouple over a year ago

Flagrante

There is a correlation between high levels of educational attainment and voting to Remain. This information is news to you?

Except I didn't.

Read again."

No need...the simple statement above suggests it. There is no way anyone can know my educational level or indeed the way I voted or indeed if I voted at all.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Except Jacob Rees Mogg didn't actually say it would take 50 years for you to feel better off

What he actually said was "The overwhelming opportunity for Brexit is over the next 50 years"

Moggy is good at saying ambiguous vacuous statements that brexiters grab onto like a life raft when at sea in a storm .Brexiteres claim the Bank of England can't forecast 18mths ahead.However a Tory multi millionaire born to rule over the plebs can predict 50 fucking years.I can see why expats haven't a clue what is going on in the UK.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

There is a correlation between high levels of educational attainment and voting to Remain. This information is news to you?

Except I didn't.

Read again.

No need...the simple statement above suggests it. There is no way anyone can know my educational level or indeed the way I voted or indeed if I voted at all."

Only if you believe that educational attainment correlates with intelligence.

I do not.

Your prejudices, not mine.

Really, try reading my post.

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By *lik and PaulCouple over a year ago

Flagrante

There is a correlation between high levels of educational attainment and voting to Remain. This information is news to you?

Except I didn't.

Read again.

No need...the simple statement above suggests it. There is no way anyone can know my educational level or indeed the way I voted or indeed if I voted at all.

Only if you believe that educational attainment correlates with intelligence.

I do not.

Your prejudices, not mine.

Really, try reading my post."

I did

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By *oubepoMan over a year ago

Spain Portugal France

Except Jacob Rees Mogg didn't actually say it would take 50 years for you to feel better off

What he actually said was "The overwhelming opportunity for Brexit is over the next 50 years"

The Bank of England forecasts over the last 3 years, surrounding Brexit have proven to be incorrect though.

Just be glad Mark Carney doesn't do weather forecasts

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

There is a correlation between high levels of educational attainment and voting to Remain. This information is news to you?

Except I didn't.

Read again.

No need...the simple statement above suggests it. There is no way anyone can know my educational level or indeed the way I voted or indeed if I voted at all.

Only if you believe that educational attainment correlates with intelligence.

I do not.

Your prejudices, not mine.

Really, try reading my post.

I did"

So what does this phrase mean?

"The lower education of those who voted to Leave does not make them stupid."

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By *lik and PaulCouple over a year ago

Flagrante

There is a correlation between high levels of educational attainment and voting to Remain. This information is news to you?

Except I didn't.

Read again.

No need...the simple statement above suggests it. There is no way anyone can know my educational level or indeed the way I voted or indeed if I voted at all.

Only if you believe that educational attainment correlates with intelligence.

I do not.

Your prejudices, not mine.

Really, try reading my post.

I did

So what does this phrase mean?

"The lower education of those who voted to Leave does not make them stupid.""
....followed by "It limits their opportunity to analyse data and look at the information behind the headlines" would suggest you don't think they have the ability to do this....so maybe not thickos...maybe not quite intelligent enough....bottom line is no one knows.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There is an interesting article from the LSE (London school of economics ).I won't post the like because some if the more unsavoury forum posters will report me .However here's an snippet.

Much research has already been done on the predictors of the view that Britain should leave the European Union. We thus know that older people, males, whites, and the less well educated are more inclined to vote for Brexit than their counterparts. We also know that those with socially conservative values and opinions on issues such as immigration, raising of children, and law and order are much more likely to prefer Leave over Remain. It is further common knowledge that opinions on UK’s membership of the EU are not exactly static: While 53.8 per cent of the British public wanted the UK to leave the EU in June 2011, this percentage declined to 37.0 in May 2015 before it rose again to more than 50 in 2016.

The article The goes on to show a graph where remain leads over leave at the end of 2017 into 2018.

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By *laytimenowMan over a year ago

Essex

Except Jacob Rees Mogg didn't actually say it would take 50 years for you to feel better off

What he actually said was "The overwhelming opportunity for Brexit is over the next 50 years"

The Bank of England forecasts over the last 3 years, surrounding Brexit have proven to be incorrect though.

Just be glad Mark Carney doesn't do weather forecasts "

Maybe Carney's decision to give the Banks an extra £150 billion, to stop any run on stocks shares etc eased all that.

Funny how people forget some facts while busying themselves with pointless petty argument.

I voted remain , & want the vote to be honoured.

I shall then laugh & point my finger angrily at those who led the leave vote & bray for treason to be punished !!

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

Except Jacob Rees Mogg didn't actually say it would take 50 years for you to feel better off

What he actually said was "The overwhelming opportunity for Brexit is over the next 50 years"

& you only pick up on the Jacom RM bit?

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By *oubepoMan over a year ago

Spain Portugal France

Except Jacob Rees Mogg didn't actually say it would take 50 years for you to feel better off

What he actually said was "The overwhelming opportunity for Brexit is over the next 50 years"

The Bank of England forecasts over the last 3 years, surrounding Brexit have proven to be incorrect though.

Just be glad Mark Carney doesn't do weather forecasts

Maybe Carney's decision to give the Banks an extra £150 billion, to stop any run on stocks shares etc eased all that.

Funny how people forget some facts while busying themselves with pointless petty argument.

I voted remain , & want the vote to be honoured.

I shall then laugh & point my finger angrily at those who led the leave vote & bray for treason to be punished !!"

I don't think anyone has forgotten Mark Carney released 150 billion - Im sure most people just assumed he might have factored that significant amount into his calculations, when offering a number forecasts - which proved to be incorrect

His doom and gloom forecasts have been wide of the mark, suggesting he's either playing a part in 'Profect Fear' or he's completely incompetent .... or possibly both?

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

Except Jacob Rees Mogg didn't actually say it would take 50 years for you to feel better off

What he actually said was "The overwhelming opportunity for Brexit is over the next 50 years"

The Bank of England forecasts over the last 3 years, surrounding Brexit have proven to be incorrect though.

Just be glad Mark Carney doesn't do weather forecasts

Maybe Carney's decision to give the Banks an extra £150 billion, to stop any run on stocks shares etc eased all that.

Funny how people forget some facts while busying themselves with pointless petty argument.

I voted remain , & want the vote to be honoured.

I shall then laugh & point my finger angrily at those who led the leave vote & bray for treason to be punished !!

His doom and gloom forecasts have been wide of the mark, suggesting he's either playing a part in 'Profect Fear' or he's completely incompetent .... or possibly both?

And yet he has won awards for being the best central banker in world

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

There is a correlation between high levels of educational attainment and voting to Remain. This information is news to you?

Except I didn't.

Read again.

No need...the simple statement above suggests it. There is no way anyone can know my educational level or indeed the way I voted or indeed if I voted at all.

Only if you believe that educational attainment correlates with intelligence.

I do not.

Your prejudices, not mine.

Really, try reading my post.

I did

So what does this phrase mean?

"The lower education of those who voted to Leave does not make them stupid."....followed by "It limits their opportunity to analyse data and look at the information behind the headlines" would suggest you don't think they have the ability to do this....so maybe not thickos...maybe not quite intelligent enough....bottom line is no one knows."

Not sure why you need me to conform to your opinion about those who voted Remain.

Perhaps you would like to start a new thread on the purpose of education? You appear to think that it has no value other than to learn information a narrow subject. Do you learn nothing else?

Anyway, this distracts from the actual point.

Both Leave AND Remain treated the public as if they were stupid.

They are not.

Most give very little of a toss about the EU. They care about their prosperity and those they care about.

With an actual proposal in place they can make a decision based on fact rather than various fictions and half-truths.

Wouldn't you agree?

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By *lik and PaulCouple over a year ago

Flagrante

Not sure why you need me to conform to your opinion about those who voted Remain.

Nothing to conform to as I have no opinion on anyone who voted either remain or leave so I don't know where you get that from.

Perhaps you would like to start a new thread on the purpose of education? You appear to think that it has no value other than to learn information a narrow subject. Do you learn nothing else?

Education isn't a narrow subject and I haven't stated this either. The points in this thread, made by others, appear to question the abilities of certain sections of voters...I simply don't hold with those views.

Anyway, this distracts from the actual point.

Both Leave AND Remain treated the public as if they were stupid.

They are not.

Most give very little of a toss about the EU. They care about their prosperity and those they care about.

With an actual proposal in place they can make a decision based on fact rather than various fictions and half-truths.

Wouldn't you agree?"

Once a final decision is made on the terms of the withdrawal from the EU we may or may not get a vote on these terms. What we won't be getting, unless there is a major shift from the main political parties, is a second referendum. It will be, these are the terms, yes or no, and if no it'll be a no deal break.

Again...only my opinion as no one actually knows.

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By *laytimenowMan over a year ago

Essex

Except Jacob Rees Mogg didn't actually say it would take 50 years for you to feel better off

What he actually said was "The overwhelming opportunity for Brexit is over the next 50 years"

The Bank of England forecasts over the last 3 years, surrounding Brexit have proven to be incorrect though.

Just be glad Mark Carney doesn't do weather forecasts

Maybe Carney's decision to give the Banks an extra £150 billion, to stop any run on stocks shares etc eased all that.

Funny how people forget some facts while busying themselves with pointless petty argument.

I voted remain , & want the vote to be honoured.

I shall then laugh & point my finger angrily at those who led the leave vote & bray for treason to be punished !!

His doom and gloom forecasts have been wide of the mark, suggesting he's either playing a part in 'Profect Fear' or he's completely incompetent .... or possibly both?

And yet he has won awards for being the best central banker in world

Sterling falling back to $1.29 & down again against the Euro.

Interest rates up to a 9 year high, with moelre rises to come.

Seems the closer we get to

Brexit-Day the more of his predictions are starting to be applied.

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

Except Jacob Rees Mogg didn't actually say it would take 50 years for you to feel better off

What he actually said was "The overwhelming opportunity for Brexit is over the next 50 years"

The Bank of England forecasts over the last 3 years, surrounding Brexit have proven to be incorrect though.

Just be glad Mark Carney doesn't do weather forecasts

Maybe Carney's decision to give the Banks an extra £150 billion, to stop any run on stocks shares etc eased all that.

Funny how people forget some facts while busying themselves with pointless petty argument.

I voted remain , & want the vote to be honoured.

I shall then laugh & point my finger angrily at those who led the leave vote & bray for treason to be punished !!

His doom and gloom forecasts have been wide of the mark, suggesting he's either playing a part in 'Profect Fear' or he's completely incompetent .... or possibly both?

And yet he has won awards for being the best central banker in world

Sterling falling back to $1.29 & down again against the Euro.

Interest rates up to a 9 year high, with moelre rises to come.

Seems the closer we get to

Brexit-Day the more of his predictions are starting to be applied.

How's inflation doing since the referendum?

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By *laytimenowMan over a year ago

Essex

Except Jacob Rees Mogg didn't actually say it would take 50 years for you to feel better off

What he actually said was "The overwhelming opportunity for Brexit is over the next 50 years"

The Bank of England forecasts over the last 3 years, surrounding Brexit have proven to be incorrect though.

Just be glad Mark Carney doesn't do weather forecasts

Maybe Carney's decision to give the Banks an extra £150 billion, to stop any run on stocks shares etc eased all that.

Funny how people forget some facts while busying themselves with pointless petty argument.

I voted remain , & want the vote to be honoured.

I shall then laugh & point my finger angrily at those who led the leave vote & bray for treason to be punished !!

His doom and gloom forecasts have been wide of the mark, suggesting he's either playing a part in 'Profect Fear' or he's completely incompetent .... or possibly both?

Personally i think Carney

is right & that the

LOONEY LEAVE BRIGADE are just to stubborn to take there head from out of the sand , just in case they ser the onrushing tide that is going to consume them.

I wonder if Noahs ark is still around ?

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By *laytimenowMan over a year ago

Essex

" I enjoy meeting remainers who believe they are intellectually superior to leavers and claim leavers didn't know what they were voting for.

I often slip a few questions into the conversation about the EU, just random questions to test their knowledge, on subjects such the ECJ, Schengen, the EU commission etc.

Nothing too difficult, just simple questions

Ironically, It's clear the majority of remainers didn't have a Scooby Doo what they voted for!"

Good luck with leaves infactuation with controlling the borders.

Dover & Customs Clearance .

https://youtu.be/SDvYt_BFaWk

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By *bandjam91Couple over a year ago

London

There is a correlation between high levels of educational attainment and voting to Remain. This information is news to you?

I think you misunderstand correlation. It doesn't mean true in every case but it does show patterns. And the pattern between higher educational attainment and voting remain is there. This is the former president of YouGov explaining:

“Overall, people who left school at 15 or 16 voted around two to one for Brexit. [For] people who got up to A-level or equivalent qualification [it was] 50:50. Graduates voted two to one to remain in the EU.

So yes, there is quite a clear educational gradient in the way people voted in the referendum.”

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By *bandjam91Couple over a year ago

London

Not sure why you need me to conform to your opinion about those who voted Remain.

Nothing to conform to as I have no opinion on anyone who voted either remain or leave so I don't know where you get that from.

Perhaps you would like to start a new thread on the purpose of education? You appear to think that it has no value other than to learn information a narrow subject. Do you learn nothing else?

Anyway, this distracts from the actual point.

Both Leave AND Remain treated the public as if they were stupid.

They are not.

Most give very little of a toss about the EU. They care about their prosperity and those they care about.

With an actual proposal in place they can make a decision based on fact rather than various fictions and half-truths.

Wouldn't you agree?

Again...only my opinion as no one actually knows."

If public opinion can be shown to have shifted then there will be another vote. That's why Julian Dunkerton is paying for £1 million quid's worth of polling.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

And this entire thread is the reason why when the technical reports on a no deal brexit are released on Thursday I do wonder if anyone will actually take in any of the assessments ....

No one believes anything and yet they still want you to plan which they don’t think is necessary but if it all goes tits up you will get the blame for not preparing

Is this about right???

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

"And this entire thread is the reason why when the technical reports on a no deal brexit are released on Thursday I do wonder if anyone will actually take in any of the assessments ....

No one believes anything and yet they still want you to plan which they don’t think is necessary but if it all goes tits up you will get the blame for not preparing

Is this about right???"

I do like the youtube video though, Boris would be first on the lifeboats...

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

Labour MP, remainer and shadow international trade secretary Barry Gardiner doesn't want a 2nd referendum. Speaking on a BBC radio show earlier today he said the result of the 2016 EU referendum must be honoured and delivered. He said Parliament voted by majority to let the people decide this matter and as a democratic country we must accept and deliver on the result.

He said failure to do so would embolden the far right and lead to a big rise in support for the far right in the UK, as when people see that their democratic vote for change is being ignored it undermines democracy and then people turn to more extreme parties, measures and methods to get their message across. He said a 2nd referendum would lead to social and civil unrest in the UK and even though he is a remainer he accepts Brexit must be delivered.

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

"Labour MP, remainer and shadow international trade secretary Barry Gardiner doesn't want a 2nd referendum. Speaking on a BBC radio show earlier today he said the result of the 2016 EU referendum must be honoured and delivered. He said Parliament voted by majority to let the people decide this matter and as a democratic country we must accept and deliver on the result.

Doesn’t mean he’s right though. Brexit is not going to stop the far right being emboldened, we have already seen a small number of right wing tories holding the country to ransom. I feel we would be less likely to become a nasty country by allowing another vote.

If the vote had been for remain, Farage has admitted he would have continued to campaign for a 2nd, 3rd vote - so it seems reasonable that remainers can ask for the same.

As I pointed out earlier, what is being delivered is not what people thought they were voting for. So once we know what we are getting, then we deserve the right to consider it. If a snake oil salesman con’s you once, do you have to allow it twice...?

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By *bandjam91Couple over a year ago

London

He's talking rubbish. As has been repeatedly pointed out you can't undermine democracy with democracy.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It’s clear a fair few see any recite as being an attempt to pervert democracy. The whole “keep going until they win” comment is odd. It kind of makes it feel like there’s luck involved, like rock, paper, scissors. Why is the last vote a valid measure of the will of the people, but the next wouldn’t be?

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

He's talking rubbish. As has been repeatedly pointed out you can't undermine democracy with democracy."

You are undermining democracy though because the result still hasn't been delivered and implemented yet. Leavers have had to wait several months for the Prime minister to trigger article 50 and then we've had to wait for the 2 year article 50 period to expire before we can actually leave. Over 2 years now and we still haven't left yet. For democracy to take its course the result must be fully delivered and implemented first.

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By *oubepoMan over a year ago

Spain Portugal France

He's talking rubbish. As has been repeatedly pointed out you can't undermine democracy with democracy."

How is a is a campaign lead by George Soros to overturn a democratic decision your country made, seen as democracy?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

He's talking rubbish. As has been repeatedly pointed out you can't undermine democracy with democracy.

Interestingly the only person who seemed to want a quick trigger of article 50 was JC.

But that’s an aside.

I don’t see why we have to go down a one way street before we’re allowed to vote whether it was the right street to go down. I take your point many will see it as too soon, and so would rather wait and se me before deciding if they voted right or not, but that doesn’t mean now is not the right time.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We need to have a referendum.

To decide if we should have a second referendum.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

He's talking rubbish. As has been repeatedly pointed out you can't undermine democracy with democracy.

That is one of your worst arguments yet.

If it becomes apparent that the actual terms of leaving are not what were promised then why does the electorate have to accept it?

You have continued to understand what was in the minds of everyone that voted Leave. That's utter nonsense. Every single person voted for their own individual reasons based on their understanding of the truths, half truths, exaggerations and lies presented to them by both sides.

The reality is that the final deal removes this ambiguity. They will have a far better understanding of the consequences to themselves as individuals.

Don't treat them as stupid. Don't treat them as robots.

The point of democracy is to be able to change your mind as the circumstances dictate, not blindly follow a course set by someone else.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

He's talking rubbish. As has been repeatedly pointed out you can't undermine democracy with democracy.

How is a is a campaign lead by George Soros to overturn a democratic decision your country made, seen as democracy?

1. George Soros is not leading any campaign.

2. Overturning a democratic decision with a national vote is...democracy

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By *hargMan over a year ago

Erskine

Brexit has been handled badly.

But we voted out and that has to happen.

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By *oubepoMan over a year ago

Spain Portugal France

He's talking rubbish. As has been repeatedly pointed out you can't undermine democracy with democracy.

That is one of your worst arguments yet.

If it becomes apparent that the actual terms of leaving are not what were promised then why does the electorate have to accept it?

The reality is that the final deal removes this ambiguity. They will have a far better understanding of the consequences to themselves as individuals.

Don't treat them as stupid. Don't treat them as robots.

The point of democracy is to be able to change your mind as the circumstances dictate, not blindly follow a course set by someone else."

"The point of democracy is to be able to change your mind" .... Really!

Perhaps you could hold a referendum every 3 months to see if anyone has changed their minds?

Alternatively, you could respect the democratic vote of your people, accept that your side lost and more importantly, accept there will be no second referendum?

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

He's talking rubbish. As has been repeatedly pointed out you can't undermine democracy with democracy.

That is one of your worst arguments yet.

If it becomes apparent that the actual terms of leaving are not what were promised then why does the electorate have to accept it?

The reality is that the final deal removes this ambiguity. They will have a far better understanding of the consequences to themselves as individuals.

Don't treat them as stupid. Don't treat them as robots.

The point of democracy is to be able to change your mind as the circumstances dictate, not blindly follow a course set by someone else.

"The point of democracy is to be able to change your mind" .... Really!

Perhaps you could hold a referendum every 3 months to see if anyone has changed their minds?

Alternatively, you could respect the democratic vote of your people, accept that your side lost and more importantly, accept there will be no second referendum? "

The only reason Brexiteers are scared of another vote is that they fear losing it. It is perfectly reasonable to have another vote once we see what is actually on the table. You never know, people might vote for Brexit, so have some confidence and support it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Brexit has been handled badly.

But we voted out and that has to happen."

Brexit is going exactly as expected, badly. A second referendum makes no sense. We need to stop having referendums as the public clearly can’t be trusted with such big important decisions.

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

"Brexit has been handled badly.

But we voted out and that has to happen.

Brexit is going exactly as expected, badly. A second referendum makes no sense. We need to stop having referendums as the public clearly can’t be trusted with such big important decisions. "

But the current crop of politicians have equally proven they are incompetent. They are supposed to reflect the will of the people and the impending exit does nothing of the sort. It does not give hard brexiteers what they want, nor does it give the rest of us what we want. So a clear mandate in a second referendum, with perhaps an obligation to vote as only a minority of overall voters actually voted for brexit. You can see why this is so devisive - at least if we were obliged to vote (as the Australians are) then the outcome is not as ambiguous.

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By *lik and PaulCouple over a year ago

Flagrante

"Brexit has been handled badly.

But we voted out and that has to happen.

Brexit is going exactly as expected, badly. A second referendum makes no sense. We need to stop having referendums as the public clearly can’t be trusted with such big important decisions.

I personally like the obliged to vote principle but I think the Australian system allows for a none of the above answer. People might also simply tick any box as they were made to do it so not ideal.

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By *oubepoMan over a year ago

Spain Portugal France

He's talking rubbish. As has been repeatedly pointed out you can't undermine democracy with democracy.

That is one of your worst arguments yet.

If it becomes apparent that the actual terms of leaving are not what were promised then why does the electorate have to accept it?

The reality is that the final deal removes this ambiguity. They will have a far better understanding of the consequences to themselves as individuals.

Don't treat them as stupid. Don't treat them as robots.

The point of democracy is to be able to change your mind as the circumstances dictate, not blindly follow a course set by someone else.

"The point of democracy is to be able to change your mind" .... Really!

Perhaps you could hold a referendum every 3 months to see if anyone has changed their minds?

Alternatively, you could respect the democratic vote of your people, accept that your side lost and more importantly, accept there will be no second referendum?

I'm not sure Brexiteers are scared of another referendum - The simple truth is - there is no need to hold another

Where would democracy be if a percentage of the losing minority side, are allowed to continually ask for another rerun of a referendum or election?

It's never going to happen - it wouldn't even happen in my country, so it certainly won't happen in yours

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Brexit has been handled badly.

But we voted out and that has to happen.

Brexit is going exactly as expected, badly. A second referendum makes no sense. We need to stop having referendums as the public clearly can’t be trusted with such big important decisions.

Or a simple test that you have to take to make sure people understand what they’re voting on. 10 basic questions about the EU have to be answered before you can vote. This will force people to research and find out some facts before voting.

If they did that in the first place we wouldn’t be in this mess in the first place.

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By *lik and PaulCouple over a year ago

Flagrante

"Brexit has been handled badly.

But we voted out and that has to happen.

Brexit is going exactly as expected, badly. A second referendum makes no sense. We need to stop having referendums as the public clearly can’t be trusted with such big important decisions.

That's an interesting concept...i wonder what the outcome would have been with the first referendum in 1975 if this had been in place. I heard stories of a Soviet takeover of western Europe if we didn't vote yes... that's proper project fear.

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By *oubepoMan over a year ago

Spain Portugal France

"Brexit has been handled badly.

But we voted out and that has to happen.

Brexit is going exactly as expected, badly. A second referendum makes no sense. We need to stop having referendums as the public clearly can’t be trusted with such big important decisions.

If they did that in the first place we wouldn’t be in this mess in the first place."

If everybody had a true understanding of the EU, Leave would have won by a Landslide

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"Brexit has been handled badly.

But we voted out and that has to happen.

Brexit is going exactly as expected, badly. A second referendum makes no sense. We need to stop having referendums as the public clearly can’t be trusted with such big important decisions.

If they did that in the first place we wouldn’t be in this mess in the first place.

If everybody had a true understanding of the EU, Leave would have won by a Landslide

Hardly, most of the complaints people have are dispelled when they understand

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

"Brexit has been handled badly.

But we voted out and that has to happen.

Brexit is going exactly as expected, badly. A second referendum makes no sense. We need to stop having referendums as the public clearly can’t be trusted with such big important decisions.

If they did that in the first place we wouldn’t be in this mess in the first place.

If everybody had a true understanding of the EU, Leave would have won by a Landslide

Hardly, most of the complaints people have are dispelled when they understand "

Exactly! If we end up putting people like Farage in as an MEP because we show no interest, then we end up not engaging with the EU and getting the most out of it.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

He's talking rubbish. As has been repeatedly pointed out you can't undermine democracy with democracy.

That is one of your worst arguments yet.

If it becomes apparent that the actual terms of leaving are not what were promised then why does the electorate have to accept it?

The reality is that the final deal removes this ambiguity. They will have a far better understanding of the consequences to themselves as individuals.

Don't treat them as stupid. Don't treat them as robots.

The point of democracy is to be able to change your mind as the circumstances dictate, not blindly follow a course set by someone else.

"The point of democracy is to be able to change your mind" .... Really!

Perhaps you could hold a referendum every 3 months to see if anyone has changed their minds?

Alternatively, you could respect the democratic vote of your people, accept that your side lost and more importantly, accept there will be no second referendum? "

Why not just have a general election every 5 years to see if anyone's changed their minds?

Oh...wait...

Obviously when one party wins an election all of the others respect the democratic vote of the people, accept their side lost and make no effort to protest or influence legislation or policy.

I don't have to accept anything. Certainly not on your say so based on your grasp of democracy.

Remind me when women got the vote in Switzerland.

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

He's talking rubbish. As has been repeatedly pointed out you can't undermine democracy with democracy.

That is one of your worst arguments yet.

If it becomes apparent that the actual terms of leaving are not what were promised then why does the electorate have to accept it?

The reality is that the final deal removes this ambiguity. They will have a far better understanding of the consequences to themselves as individuals.

Don't treat them as stupid. Don't treat them as robots.

The point of democracy is to be able to change your mind as the circumstances dictate, not blindly follow a course set by someone else.

"The point of democracy is to be able to change your mind" .... Really!

Perhaps you could hold a referendum every 3 months to see if anyone has changed their minds?

Alternatively, you could respect the democratic vote of your people, accept that your side lost and more importantly, accept there will be no second referendum?

Why not just have a general election every 5 years to see if anyone's changed their minds?

Oh...wait...

Obviously when one party wins an election all of the others respect the democratic vote of the people, accept their side lost and make no effort to protest or influence legislation or policy.

I don't have to accept anything. Certainly not on your say so based on your grasp of democracy.

Remind me when women got the vote in Switzerland."
ppl keep saying this we don’t have to accept anything like you say but really apart from going on sites and having a little moan which is fine it’s your right not arguing with that but when you say you don’t have to accept it what else can you do tho there’s not going to be a second vote and you know this so I fail to see the point so in reality you do have to accept it you don’t have to like it tho

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

He's talking rubbish. As has been repeatedly pointed out you can't undermine democracy with democracy.

That is one of your worst arguments yet.

If it becomes apparent that the actual terms of leaving are not what were promised then why does the electorate have to accept it?

The reality is that the final deal removes this ambiguity. They will have a far better understanding of the consequences to themselves as individuals.

Don't treat them as stupid. Don't treat them as robots.

The point of democracy is to be able to change your mind as the circumstances dictate, not blindly follow a course set by someone else.

"The point of democracy is to be able to change your mind" .... Really!

Perhaps you could hold a referendum every 3 months to see if anyone has changed their minds?

Alternatively, you could respect the democratic vote of your people, accept that your side lost and more importantly, accept there will be no second referendum?

Why not just have a general election every 5 years to see if anyone's changed their minds?

Oh...wait...

Obviously when one party wins an election all of the others respect the democratic vote of the people, accept their side lost and make no effort to protest or influence legislation or policy.

I don't have to accept anything. Certainly not on your say so based on your grasp of democracy.

Remind me when women got the vote in Switzerland. ppl keep saying this we don’t have to accept anything like you say but really apart from going on sites and having a little moan which is fine it’s your right not arguing with that but when you say you don’t have to accept it what else can you do tho there’s not going to be a second vote and you know this so I fail to see the point so in reality you do have to accept it you don’t have to like it tho "

The person you replied to is clearly a sufferer of Brexit anxiety disorder, which is now a known mental health condition diagnosed by psychiatrists, shrinks and health professionals. It may help him to cope in the short term with his mental illness by having a moan on here, but really he should be seeking help from a mental health professional. Labour and Conservative both share around 80% of the vote and both parties are adamant they will NOT hold another referendum. The government certainly won't call one and the Leadership/front bench of the Labour party don't want one as expressed by Barry Gardiner yesterday (and Corbyn is really a Brexiter anyway). Deluded mentally ill remoaners can bitch, whine and howl at the moon all they like, we're leaving the EU in March and the deadline to reach a deal is Oct/Nov just 3 short months away.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

He's talking rubbish. As has been repeatedly pointed out you can't undermine democracy with democracy.

That is one of your worst arguments yet.

If it becomes apparent that the actual terms of leaving are not what were promised then why does the electorate have to accept it?

The reality is that the final deal removes this ambiguity. They will have a far better understanding of the consequences to themselves as individuals.

Don't treat them as stupid. Don't treat them as robots.

The point of democracy is to be able to change your mind as the circumstances dictate, not blindly follow a course set by someone else.

"The point of democracy is to be able to change your mind" .... Really!

Perhaps you could hold a referendum every 3 months to see if anyone has changed their minds?

Alternatively, you could respect the democratic vote of your people, accept that your side lost and more importantly, accept there will be no second referendum?

Why not just have a general election every 5 years to see if anyone's changed their minds?

Oh...wait...

Obviously when one party wins an election all of the others respect the democratic vote of the people, accept their side lost and make no effort to protest or influence legislation or policy.

I don't have to accept anything. Certainly not on your say so based on your grasp of democracy.

I "know" nothing of the sort.

If the negotiated deal looks bad enough there is no reason why there would not be.

Government's with majorities will change policy if there is strong enough public disapproval.

This is absolutely no different.

Why was there a referendum in the first place if it turns out that only 52% voted to Leave?

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

Do you honestly believe hand on heart there will be a second vote ?

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By *oubepoMan over a year ago

Spain Portugal France

He's talking rubbish. As has been repeatedly pointed out you can't undermine democracy with democracy.

That is one of your worst arguments yet.

If it becomes apparent that the actual terms of leaving are not what were promised then why does the electorate have to accept it?

The reality is that the final deal removes this ambiguity. They will have a far better understanding of the consequences to themselves as individuals.

Don't treat them as stupid. Don't treat them as robots.

The point of democracy is to be able to change your mind as the circumstances dictate, not blindly follow a course set by someone else.

"The point of democracy is to be able to change your mind" .... Really!

Perhaps you could hold a referendum every 3 months to see if anyone has changed their minds?

Alternatively, you could respect the democratic vote of your people, accept that your side lost and more importantly, accept there will be no second referendum?

Why not just have a general election every 5 years to see if anyone's changed their minds?

Oh...wait...

Obviously when one party wins an election all of the others respect the democratic vote of the people, accept their side lost and make no effort to protest or influence legislation or policy.

I don't have to accept anything. Certainly not on your say so based on your grasp of democracy.

Remind me when women got the vote in Switzerland."

Yes, precisely.

You have a General Election every 5 years. The losers have to accept they can't force another election after 3 months, simply because they lost and don't like the decision

The same as you might get a chance of an EU referendum perhaps in 40 years. Although it's highly unlikely the EU will exist as we know it by then

As I said before - Let's meet back here on March 30th 2019 and see if you got your second referendum?

It will also prove who has a better understanding of European politics and the democratic process

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Do you honestly believe hand on heart there will be a second vote ?"

No and nor should we. There is potential to make the situation worse.

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By *oubepoMan over a year ago

Spain Portugal France

He's talking rubbish. As has been repeatedly pointed out you can't undermine democracy with democracy.

That is one of your worst arguments yet.

If it becomes apparent that the actual terms of leaving are not what were promised then why does the electorate have to accept it?

The reality is that the final deal removes this ambiguity. They will have a far better understanding of the consequences to themselves as individuals.

Don't treat them as stupid. Don't treat them as robots.

The point of democracy is to be able to change your mind as the circumstances dictate, not blindly follow a course set by someone else.

"The point of democracy is to be able to change your mind" .... Really!

Perhaps you could hold a referendum every 3 months to see if anyone has changed their minds?

Alternatively, you could respect the democratic vote of your people, accept that your side lost and more importantly, accept there will be no second referendum?

Why not just have a general election every 5 years to see if anyone's changed their minds?

Oh...wait...

Obviously when one party wins an election all of the others respect the democratic vote of the people, accept their side lost and make no effort to protest or influence legislation or policy.

I don't have to accept anything. Certainly not on your say so based on your grasp of democracy.

I have been reading up on this mental illness afflicting Remainers recently.

It would certainly explain both delusionary and obsessive behaviour witnessed on this forum at times

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

He's talking rubbish. As has been repeatedly pointed out you can't undermine democracy with democracy.

That is one of your worst arguments yet.

If it becomes apparent that the actual terms of leaving are not what were promised then why does the electorate have to accept it?

The reality is that the final deal removes this ambiguity. They will have a far better understanding of the consequences to themselves as individuals.

Don't treat them as stupid. Don't treat them as robots.

The point of democracy is to be able to change your mind as the circumstances dictate, not blindly follow a course set by someone else.

"The point of democracy is to be able to change your mind" .... Really!

Perhaps you could hold a referendum every 3 months to see if anyone has changed their minds?

Alternatively, you could respect the democratic vote of your people, accept that your side lost and more importantly, accept there will be no second referendum?

Why not just have a general election every 5 years to see if anyone's changed their minds?

Oh...wait...

Obviously when one party wins an election all of the others respect the democratic vote of the people, accept their side lost and make no effort to protest or influence legislation or policy.

I don't have to accept anything. Certainly not on your say so based on your grasp of democracy.

Remind me when women got the vote in Switzerland.

Yes, precisely.

You have a General Election every 5 years. The losers have to accept they can't force another election after 3 months, simply because they lost and don't like the decision

The same as you might get a chance of an EU referendum perhaps in 40 years. Although it's highly unlikely the EU will exist as we know it by then

As I said before - Let's meet back here on March 30th 2019 and see if you got your second referendum?

It will also prove who has a better understanding of European politics and the democratic process

Fully agree. The EU will be gone in 40 years, the Eurozone will inevitably crash at some point as it's an unsustainable currency and the EU is already in steep decline economically, unemployment and debt is rife in the Southern states and Eurosceptic sentiment is surging all over the EU to unprecedented levels. The European MEP elections will be very interesting next year, the UK will be gone by then but even without the bulk of Eurosceptic British MEP's from ukip and the Tories, the European Parliament is projected and forecast to be filled with an overall majority of Eurosceptic MEP's from all over Europe for the first time ever.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yep leave , no need for another referendum.

This is the way the EU always does it, another vote . Bullshit,leave now stop dealing with these parasites.

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By *heislanderMan over a year ago

cheshunt

I had a bet on Poet’s Word in the Juddmonte International Stakes, he finished second. I’d like them to run the race again, in hindsight I should have backed Roaring Lion ??

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"Do you honestly believe hand on heart there will be a second vote ?"

A deal on trade in goods and produce but not services. Taking EU regulation and paying to maintain regulatory bodies. Having no meaningful say. Not free to do any meaningful trade deals. Reduced EU immigration

This is the most likely deal to be done. Otherwise no deal.

How acceptable would this be to you or anybody else?

I would take the bad deal over no deal and I would take no Brexit over both.

It depends on events.

The start of a global recession (which is overdue) or people come back from their holidays genuinely feeling poorer because they couldn't spend as freely or money isn't going as far at home because there is an uptick in inflation or another big company goes to the wall.

A combination of any of these, perfectly conceivable events, could lead to a big change in public mood.

Is any government brave enough to push an unpopular deal through if this turns out to be the case?

The fact that the referendum vote coincided with the Syrian and African migration crisis in Europe most certainly had an effect on the result of the first referendum.

The arguments about "respecting democracy" are for me not sensible because saying that it was in anyway clear what a vote to Leave meant is demonstrably false.

So I have no idea. The possibility is not a remote one despite claims to the contrary.

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

You gave me the poltians answer there a simple yes or no would of done to many ifs and buts

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

He's talking rubbish. As has been repeatedly pointed out you can't undermine democracy with democracy.

That is one of your worst arguments yet.

If it becomes apparent that the actual terms of leaving are not what were promised then why does the electorate have to accept it?

The reality is that the final deal removes this ambiguity. They will have a far better understanding of the consequences to themselves as individuals.

Don't treat them as stupid. Don't treat them as robots.

The point of democracy is to be able to change your mind as the circumstances dictate, not blindly follow a course set by someone else.

"The point of democracy is to be able to change your mind" .... Really!

Perhaps you could hold a referendum every 3 months to see if anyone has changed their minds?

Alternatively, you could respect the democratic vote of your people, accept that your side lost and more importantly, accept there will be no second referendum?

Why not just have a general election every 5 years to see if anyone's changed their minds?

Oh...wait...

Obviously when one party wins an election all of the others respect the democratic vote of the people, accept their side lost and make no effort to protest or influence legislation or policy.

I don't have to accept anything. Certainly not on your say so based on your grasp of democracy.

Remind me when women got the vote in Switzerland.

Yes, precisely.

You have a General Election every 5 years. The losers have to accept they can't force another election after 3 months, simply because they lost and don't like the decision

The same as you might get a chance of an EU referendum perhaps in 40 years. Although it's highly unlikely the EU will exist as we know it by then

As I said before - Let's meet back here on March 30th 2019 and see if you got your second referendum?

It will also prove who has a better understanding of European politics and the democratic process

Remind me after how many years the last general election was called?

Remind me when Switzerland gave women the vote based on their democratic system of referenda?

Remind me what happened when the Swiss voted to limit EU migration in breach of their trade agreement.

Explain democracy and the will of the people and how referenda work again?

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"You gave me the poltians answer there a simple yes or no would of done to many ifs and buts "

It's not a simple yes or no. It is all about the ifs and the buts.

If there had not been an immigration crisis at precisely the time of the referendum are you certain that the result would have been the same? That's looking at it in retrospect changing only one variable.

My answer is that I do not know.

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By *oubepoMan over a year ago

Spain Portugal France

"You gave me the poltians answer there a simple yes or no would of done to many ifs and buts "

A politicians answer with a bit of scaremongering thrown in for good luck

No doubt if EasyUK's World recession doesn't get you, the post Brexit super gonorrhoea and shortage of sandwiches will

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

“There is a proper role for referendums in constitutional change, but only if done properly. If it is not done properly, it can be a dangerous tool,” he said, going on to quote ex-Prime Minister Clement Attlee by saying the referendum is the “device of demagogues and dictators.”

“Referendums should be held when the electorate are in the best possible position to make a judgment,” the Tory politician added. “They should be held when people can view all the arguments for and against and when those arguments have been rigorously tested. In short, referendums should be held when people know exactly what they are getting.

“We should not ask people to vote on a blank sheet of paper and tell them to trust us to fill in the details afterwards.”

Those wise words were spoken by … David Davis

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"You gave me the poltians answer there a simple yes or no would of done to many ifs and buts

A politicians answer with a bit of scaremongering thrown in for good luck

No doubt if EasyUK's World recession doesn't get you, the post Brexit super gonorrhoea and shortage of sandwiches will "

I made my best efforts to give a genuine answer. I don't pretend to know something that I do not.

How are you doing on answering direct questions old chap?

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

"You gave me the poltians answer there a simple yes or no would of done to many ifs and buts

It's not a simple yes or no. It is all about the ifs and the buts.

My answer is that I do not know."
no not certain I think it would of still been leave tho the immigration levels have been very high for a long time but no one can be certain your right about that

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

"“There is a proper role for referendums in constitutional change, but only if done properly. If it is not done properly, it can be a dangerous tool,” he said, going on to quote ex-Prime Minister Clement Attlee by saying the referendum is the “device of demagogues and dictators.”

“We should not ask people to vote on a blank sheet of paper and tell them to trust us to fill in the details afterwards.”

Those wise words were spoken by … David Davis"

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By *oubepoMan over a year ago

Spain Portugal France

He's talking rubbish. As has been repeatedly pointed out you can't undermine democracy with democracy.

That is one of your worst arguments yet.

If it becomes apparent that the actual terms of leaving are not what were promised then why does the electorate have to accept it?

The reality is that the final deal removes this ambiguity. They will have a far better understanding of the consequences to themselves as individuals.

Don't treat them as stupid. Don't treat them as robots.

The point of democracy is to be able to change your mind as the circumstances dictate, not blindly follow a course set by someone else.

"The point of democracy is to be able to change your mind" .... Really!

Perhaps you could hold a referendum every 3 months to see if anyone has changed their minds?

Alternatively, you could respect the democratic vote of your people, accept that your side lost and more importantly, accept there will be no second referendum?

Why not just have a general election every 5 years to see if anyone's changed their minds?

Oh...wait...

Obviously when one party wins an election all of the others respect the democratic vote of the people, accept their side lost and make no effort to protest or influence legislation or policy.

I don't have to accept anything. Certainly not on your say so based on your grasp of democracy.

Remind me when women got the vote in Switzerland.

Yes, precisely.

You have a General Election every 5 years. The losers have to accept they can't force another election after 3 months, simply because they lost and don't like the decision

The same as you might get a chance of an EU referendum perhaps in 40 years. Although it's highly unlikely the EU will exist as we know it by then

As I said before - Let's meet back here on March 30th 2019 and see if you got your second referendum?

It will also prove who has a better understanding of European politics and the democratic process

Remind me after how many years the last general election was called?

Remind me when Switzerland gave women the vote based on their democratic system of referenda?

Remind me what happened when the Swiss voted to limit EU migration in breach of their trade agreement.

Explain democracy and the will of the people and how referenda work again?"

Lets deal with question 1 first

If I recall correctly, it was the current Government who called the election, in hope it would strengthen their hand

The call for a GE in 2017 had nothing to do with losers forcing the Tory hand, nor did Teresa May offer one, based on a minority of sore losers who couldn't accept the result of the 2015 election

That would of course be undemocratic and foolish