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"If the EU had just stuck to the original remit of business and goods and left the imagration aspect to individual countries then we would probably still been staying " Load of rubbish - just shows how little you actually know! In 2004 when the "eastern" countries joined there were blocks on their citizens movement within the EU to prevent mass migration. The UK government chose not to implement these rules ( not being dictated to by the EU in leavers speak), and in they came. There were equal rules when Bulgaria and Romania joined! Finally freedom of movement within the EU is only 90 days! After that period of time you are required to register with the appropriate authority. Your also required to have: 1 sufficient income/capital not to be a burden on the host state 2 have comprehensive medical cover not to be a burden on the host state 3 not be a security risk If you look at immigration figures non EU migration was always more than EU migration! | |||
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" In 2004 when the "eastern" countries joined there were blocks on their citizens movement within the EU to prevent mass migration. The UK government chose not to implement these rules ( not being dictated to by the EU in leavers speak), and in they came. There were equal rules when Bulgaria and Romania joined! Finally freedom of movement within the EU is only 90 days! After that period of time you are required to register with the appropriate authority. Your also required to have: 1 sufficient income/capital not to be a burden on the host state 2 have comprehensive medical cover not to be a burden on the host state 3 not be a security risk If you look at immigration figures non EU migration was always more than EU migration!" you shouldn't let a little thing like facts get in between racists and their agenda | |||
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"If the EU had just stuck to the original remit of business and goods and left the imagration aspect to individual countries then we would probably still been staying " The EU is not some separate entity you can divorce from individual states. The UK supported each and every reform of the structure, so if you want to blame anyone for how it has evolved you need to look closer to home. | |||
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"If ' No deal is better than a bad deal ' then would it also be fair to say that ' No BREXIT is better than a bad BREXIT '?" i have decided to change tack when it comes to the leaving conversations.... i am not going to point out the consequences of leaving anymore... i am going to let the realities of what the hard brexit will do dawn on them for themselves.... and then the best messengers are going to be those that have the "epithany" they won't ever admit it mind... but we will know!!!  | |||
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"If ' No deal is better than a bad deal ' then would it also be fair to say that ' No BREXIT is better than a bad BREXIT '? i have decided to change tack when it comes to the leaving conversations.... i am not going to point out the consequences of leaving anymore... i am going to let the realities of what the hard brexit will do dawn on them for themselves.... and then the best messengers are going to be those that have the "epithany" they won't ever admit it mind... but we will know!!! "No, they will just slowly go UNLOS as the reality dawns on them. What happened to CandM4U? Or the Scottish oil guy? Plenty of brexiters have slowly slinked off. | |||
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"If ' No deal is better than a bad deal ' then would it also be fair to say that ' No BREXIT is better than a bad BREXIT '? i have decided to change tack when it comes to the leaving conversations.... i am not going to point out the consequences of leaving anymore... i am going to let the realities of what the hard brexit will do dawn on them for themselves.... and then the best messengers are going to be those that have the "epithany" they won't ever admit it mind... but we will know!!!
No, they will just slowly go UNLOS as the reality dawns on them. What happened to CandM4U? Or the Scottish oil guy? Plenty of brexiters have slowly slinked off."Plenty of Remainers aren't here either. Maybe some of us are tired of the same arguments about Brexit rolling round and round again? | |||
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"If ' No deal is better than a bad deal ' then would it also be fair to say that ' No BREXIT is better than a bad BREXIT '? i have decided to change tack when it comes to the leaving conversations.... i am not going to point out the consequences of leaving anymore... i am going to let the realities of what the hard brexit will do dawn on them for themselves.... and then the best messengers are going to be those that have the "epithany" they won't ever admit it mind... but we will know!!!
No, they will just slowly go UNLOS as the reality dawns on them. What happened to CandM4U? Or the Scottish oil guy? Plenty of brexiters have slowly slinked off.
Plenty of Remainers aren't here either.
Maybe some of us are tired of the same arguments about Brexit rolling round and round again?" | |||
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"If ' No deal is better than a bad deal ' then would it also be fair to say that ' No BREXIT is better than a bad BREXIT '? i have decided to change tack when it comes to the leaving conversations.... i am not going to point out the consequences of leaving anymore... i am going to let the realities of what the hard brexit will do dawn on them for themselves.... and then the best messengers are going to be those that have the "epithany" they won't ever admit it mind... but we will know!!!
No, they will just slowly go UNLOS as the reality dawns on them. What happened to CandM4U? Or the Scottish oil guy? Plenty of brexiters have slowly slinked off.
Plenty of Remainers aren't here either.
Maybe some of us are tired of the same arguments about Brexit rolling round and round again?"Possibly, but I would say there are far fewer brexiters on here than there used to be. But this is purely my perception, I don't have data to substantiate my claim. | |||
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"If ' No deal is better than a bad deal ' then would it also be fair to say that ' No BREXIT is better than a bad BREXIT '? i have decided to change tack when it comes to the leaving conversations.... i am not going to point out the consequences of leaving anymore... i am going to let the realities of what the hard brexit will do dawn on them for themselves.... and then the best messengers are going to be those that have the "epithany" they won't ever admit it mind... but we will know!!!
No, they will just slowly go UNLOS as the reality dawns on them. What happened to CandM4U? Or the Scottish oil guy? Plenty of brexiters have slowly slinked off."Probably been bored to death by the drivel on here!  | |||
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"If ' No deal is better than a bad deal ' then would it also be fair to say that ' No BREXIT is better than a bad BREXIT '? i have decided to change tack when it comes to the leaving conversations.... i am not going to point out the consequences of leaving anymore... i am going to let the realities of what the hard brexit will do dawn on them for themselves.... and then the best messengers are going to be those that have the "epithany" they won't ever admit it mind... but we will know!!!
No, they will just slowly go UNLOS as the reality dawns on them. What happened to CandM4U? Or the Scottish oil guy? Plenty of brexiters have slowly slinked off.
Plenty of Remainers aren't here either.
Maybe some of us are tired of the same arguments about Brexit rolling round and round again?
Possibly, but I would say there are far fewer brexiters on here than there used to be. But this is purely my perception, I don't have data to substantiate my claim. "Make a statement, then when challenged you have no data to substantiate it. That's a common occurrence with you. | |||
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"If ' No deal is better than a bad deal ' then would it also be fair to say that ' No BREXIT is better than a bad BREXIT '? i have decided to change tack when it comes to the leaving conversations.... i am not going to point out the consequences of leaving anymore... i am going to let the realities of what the hard brexit will do dawn on them for themselves.... and then the best messengers are going to be those that have the "epithany" they won't ever admit it mind... but we will know!!!
No, they will just slowly go UNLOS as the reality dawns on them. What happened to CandM4U? Or the Scottish oil guy? Plenty of brexiters have slowly slinked off.
Plenty of Remainers aren't here either.
Maybe some of us are tired of the same arguments about Brexit rolling round and round again?
Possibly, but I would say there are far fewer brexiters on here than there used to be. But this is purely my perception, I don't have data to substantiate my claim.
Make a statement, then when challenged you have no data to substantiate it.
That's a common occurrence with you."Yeah? Why don't you give me three examples then? Or haven't you got the data to substantiate your claim? | |||
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"If the EU had just stuck to the original remit of business and goods and left the imagration aspect to individual countries then we would probably still been staying Load of rubbish - just shows how little you actually know! In 2004 when the "eastern" countries joined there were blocks on their citizens movement within the EU to prevent mass migration. The UK government chose not to implement these rules ( not being dictated to by the EU in leavers speak), and in they came. There were equal rules when Bulgaria and Romania joined! Finally freedom of movement within the EU is only 90 days! After that period of time you are required to register with the appropriate authority. Your also required to have: 1 sufficient income/capital not to be a burden on the host state 2 have comprehensive medical cover not to be a burden on the host state 3 not be a security risk If you look at immigration figures non EU migration was always more than EU migration!" It's a shame this is not broadcast much. Not sure if it's true or not but many people have told me you can still put blocks on. | |||
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"If the EU had just stuck to the original remit of business and goods and left the imagration aspect to individual countries then we would probably still been staying Load of rubbish - just shows how little you actually know! In 2004 when the "eastern" countries joined there were blocks on their citizens movement within the EU to prevent mass migration. The UK government chose not to implement these rules ( not being dictated to by the EU in leavers speak), and in they came. There were equal rules when Bulgaria and Romania joined! Finally freedom of movement within the EU is only 90 days! After that period of time you are required to register with the appropriate authority. Your also required to have: 1 sufficient income/capital not to be a burden on the host state 2 have comprehensive medical cover not to be a burden on the host state 3 not be a security risk If you look at immigration figures non EU migration was always more than EU migration! It's a shame this is not broadcast much. Not sure if it's true or not but many people have told me you can still put blocks on." Not many EU countries enforce the 90 day rule ( for EU citizens ) be fair, but for 3rd countries they do. We just recently had a Canadian renter, who has to leave shengen on 23/8 - he has used his visa and isn't allowed back in for 90 days! We will be in exactly the same boat once we leave! | |||
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"If ' No deal is better than a bad deal ' then would it also be fair to say that ' No BREXIT is better than a bad BREXIT '? i have decided to change tack when it comes to the leaving conversations.... i am not going to point out the consequences of leaving anymore... i am going to let the realities of what the hard brexit will do dawn on them for themselves.... and then the best messengers are going to be those that have the "epithany" they won't ever admit it mind... but we will know!!!
No, they will just slowly go UNLOS as the reality dawns on them. What happened to CandM4U? Or the Scottish oil guy? Plenty of brexiters have slowly slinked off.
Plenty of Remainers aren't here either.
Maybe some of us are tired of the same arguments about Brexit rolling round and round again?
Possibly, but I would say there are far fewer brexiters on here than there used to be. But this is purely my perception, I don't have data to substantiate my claim. "So it's a non-fact based claim? Lol | |||
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"If ' No deal is better than a bad deal ' then would it also be fair to say that ' No BREXIT is better than a bad BREXIT '? i have decided to change tack when it comes to the leaving conversations.... i am not going to point out the consequences of leaving anymore... i am going to let the realities of what the hard brexit will do dawn on them for themselves.... and then the best messengers are going to be those that have the "epithany" they won't ever admit it mind... but we will know!!!
No, they will just slowly go UNLOS as the reality dawns on them. What happened to CandM4U? Or the Scottish oil guy? Plenty of brexiters have slowly slinked off.
Plenty of Remainers aren't here either.
Maybe some of us are tired of the same arguments about Brexit rolling round and round again?
Possibly, but I would say there are far fewer brexiters on here than there used to be. But this is purely my perception, I don't have data to substantiate my claim.
So it's a non-fact based claim? Lol"As I have clearly stated, it's based on my perception. | |||
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"Or indeed, no EU is better than a bad EU? "if you truely truely honestly hand on your heart believe that.... you might want to listen to this... take the 10 minutes to listen to an actual international trade negoiator.... then ask again..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOQd0BExrAo | |||
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"If ' No deal is better than a bad deal ' then would it also be fair to say that ' No BREXIT is better than a bad BREXIT '? i have decided to change tack when it comes to the leaving conversations.... i am not going to point out the consequences of leaving anymore... i am going to let the realities of what the hard brexit will do dawn on them for themselves.... and then the best messengers are going to be those that have the "epithany" they won't ever admit it mind... but we will know!!!
No, they will just slowly go UNLOS as the reality dawns on them. What happened to CandM4U? Or the Scottish oil guy? Plenty of brexiters have slowly slinked off."Plenty of remainers have either gone Unlos or slinked off too. You gave 2 examples of Posters who supported Brexit. So I'll give you 2 examples of remainers who have gone, ... Olderforyounger Cutandbig Plus I was around on here during the referendum in 2016, plenty of remainers went Unlos or stopped posting when leave won. | |||
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".u can be a britex person and not racist " | |||
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"If ' No deal is better than a bad deal ' then would it also be fair to say that ' No BREXIT is better than a bad BREXIT '? i have decided to change tack when it comes to the leaving conversations.... i am not going to point out the consequences of leaving anymore... i am going to let the realities of what the hard brexit will do dawn on them for themselves.... and then the best messengers are going to be those that have the "epithany" they won't ever admit it mind... but we will know!!!
No, they will just slowly go UNLOS as the reality dawns on them. What happened to CandM4U? Or the Scottish oil guy? Plenty of brexiters have slowly slinked off.
Plenty of Remainers aren't here either.
Maybe some of us are tired of the same arguments about Brexit rolling round and round again?
Possibly, but I would say there are far fewer brexiters on here than there used to be. But this is purely my perception, I don't have data to substantiate my claim.
Make a statement, then when challenged you have no data to substantiate it.
That's a common occurrence with you."...and most Leave economic argument. You're standing in a glass house  | |||
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"Why oh why do people think it's all about racists....and people coming or not coming to the UK...u can be a britex person and not racist " They aren't. Some really, really are. Have a look at the Brexit Media Coverage thread. | |||
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"If the EU had just stuck to the original remit of business and goods and left the imagration aspect to individual countries then we would probably still been staying " Probably very true | |||
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"If the EU had just stuck to the original remit of business and goods and left the imagration aspect to individual countries then we would probably still been staying Probably very true" But the EU/EC/EEC's original remit was never just about business, it was always about working closer together, harmonising rules and, most importantly, keeping peace amongst it's members. If it had just been about business then we could have simply remained members of EFTA back in 1973, which we have been members of since 1960. This is simply just another BREXIT lie which, if they really believed, they wouldn't be trying to pull us out of EFTA now as well. | |||
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"Or indeed, no EU is better than a bad EU?" I agree, no EU is better than a bad EU but, whether the EU is good or bad, it's not in the gift of the UK alone to decide if the EU continues to exist or not. What is still in the UK's gift is:- Remain, Leave with a good deal, Leave with a bad deal, Leave with no deal. After 2 years the best BREXITers have been able to come up with is ' no deal ' or a bad deal. So, the question remains ' is no BREXIT better than a bad BREXIT ' | |||
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"If ' No deal is better than a bad deal ' then would it also be fair to say that ' No BREXIT is better than a bad BREXIT '? i have decided to change tack when it comes to the leaving conversations.... i am not going to point out the consequences of leaving anymore... i am going to let the realities of what the hard brexit will do dawn on them for themselves.... and then the best messengers are going to be those that have the "epithany" they won't ever admit it mind... but we will know!!!
No, they will just slowly go UNLOS as the reality dawns on them. What happened to CandM4U? Or the Scottish oil guy? Plenty of brexiters have slowly slinked off.
Plenty of Remainers aren't here either.
Maybe some of us are tired of the same arguments about Brexit rolling round and round again?
Possibly, but I would say there are far fewer brexiters on here than there used to be. But this is purely my perception, I don't have data to substantiate my claim. "I think it's reflective of the changed current position of UK voters' opinions, which is now predominantly to remain, rather than a no deal etc. I think it's something like over 100 constituencies have switched from brexit to remain now - and we don't have the full dire exit offer or position yet. | |||
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"If ' No deal is better than a bad deal ' then would it also be fair to say that ' No BREXIT is better than a bad BREXIT '? i have decided to change tack when it comes to the leaving conversations.... i am not going to point out the consequences of leaving anymore... i am going to let the realities of what the hard brexit will do dawn on them for themselves.... and then the best messengers are going to be those that have the "epithany" they won't ever admit it mind... but we will know!!!
No, they will just slowly go UNLOS as the reality dawns on them. What happened to CandM4U? Or the Scottish oil guy? Plenty of brexiters have slowly slinked off.
Plenty of Remainers aren't here either.
Maybe some of us are tired of the same arguments about Brexit rolling round and round again?
Possibly, but I would say there are far fewer brexiters on here than there used to be. But this is purely my perception, I don't have data to substantiate my claim.
I think it's reflective of the changed current position of UK voters' opinions, which is now predominantly to remain, rather than a no deal etc. I think it's something like over 100 constituencies have switched from brexit to remain now - and we don't have the full dire exit offer or position yet. "The reality is is that BREXIT, as the hard core BREXITers wanted it, was killed last December when regularty alignment was agreed, they just either wouldn't or couldn't accept it. Now the hard core BREXITERS just keep saying "Hard, no deal BREXIT is the only BREXIT" and every time they say they frighten a load more people away from BREXIT completely. Their very own, self inflicted Project Fear. | |||
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"If ' No deal is better than a bad deal ' then would it also be fair to say that ' No BREXIT is better than a bad BREXIT '? i have decided to change tack when it comes to the leaving conversations.... i am not going to point out the consequences of leaving anymore... i am going to let the realities of what the hard brexit will do dawn on them for themselves.... and then the best messengers are going to be those that have the "epithany" they won't ever admit it mind... but we will know!!!
No, they will just slowly go UNLOS as the reality dawns on them. What happened to CandM4U? Or the Scottish oil guy? Plenty of brexiters have slowly slinked off.
Plenty of Remainers aren't here either.
Maybe some of us are tired of the same arguments about Brexit rolling round and round again?
Possibly, but I would say there are far fewer brexiters on here than there used to be. But this is purely my perception, I don't have data to substantiate my claim.
I think it's reflective of the changed current position of UK voters' opinions, which is now predominantly to remain, rather than a no deal etc. I think it's something like over 100 constituencies have switched from brexit to remain now - and we don't have the full dire exit offer or position yet. "Is this just wishful thinking on your part or has someone been round and asked everyone in these constituencies how they would vote now? I thought not! Lol | |||
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"If ' No deal is better than a bad deal ' then would it also be fair to say that ' No BREXIT is better than a bad BREXIT '? i have decided to change tack when it comes to the leaving conversations.... i am not going to point out the consequences of leaving anymore... i am going to let the realities of what the hard brexit will do dawn on them for themselves.... and then the best messengers are going to be those that have the "epithany" they won't ever admit it mind... but we will know!!!
No, they will just slowly go UNLOS as the reality dawns on them. What happened to CandM4U? Or the Scottish oil guy? Plenty of brexiters have slowly slinked off.
Plenty of Remainers aren't here either.
Maybe some of us are tired of the same arguments about Brexit rolling round and round again?
Possibly, but I would say there are far fewer brexiters on here than there used to be. But this is purely my perception, I don't have data to substantiate my claim.
I think it's reflective of the changed current position of UK voters' opinions, which is now predominantly to remain, rather than a no deal etc. I think it's something like over 100 constituencies have switched from brexit to remain now - and we don't have the full dire exit offer or position yet.
Is this just wishful thinking on your part or has someone been round and asked everyone in these constituencies how they would vote now? I thought not! Lol "Based on a poll of around 15000 people so we know how accurate that will be!  | |||
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"If ' No deal is better than a bad deal ' then would it also be fair to say that ' No BREXIT is better than a bad BREXIT '? i have decided to change tack when it comes to the leaving conversations.... i am not going to point out the consequences of leaving anymore... i am going to let the realities of what the hard brexit will do dawn on them for themselves.... and then the best messengers are going to be those that have the "epithany" they won't ever admit it mind... but we will know!!!
No, they will just slowly go UNLOS as the reality dawns on them. What happened to CandM4U? Or the Scottish oil guy? Plenty of brexiters have slowly slinked off.
Plenty of Remainers aren't here either.
Maybe some of us are tired of the same arguments about Brexit rolling round and round again?
Possibly, but I would say there are far fewer brexiters on here than there used to be. But this is purely my perception, I don't have data to substantiate my claim.
I think it's reflective of the changed current position of UK voters' opinions, which is now predominantly to remain, rather than a no deal etc. I think it's something like over 100 constituencies have switched from brexit to remain now - and we don't have the full dire exit offer or position yet. "People will instinctively distance themselves from the disaster that brexit has now become.Only the hard core swivel eyed extremists continue to bang the drum. Unfortunatley they would send the entire country down the shitter to keep face over brexit and should be ignored. | |||
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"If ' No deal is better than a bad deal ' then would it also be fair to say that ' No BREXIT is better than a bad BREXIT '? i have decided to change tack when it comes to the leaving conversations.... i am not going to point out the consequences of leaving anymore... i am going to let the realities of what the hard brexit will do dawn on them for themselves.... and then the best messengers are going to be those that have the "epithany" they won't ever admit it mind... but we will know!!!
No, they will just slowly go UNLOS as the reality dawns on them. What happened to CandM4U? Or the Scottish oil guy? Plenty of brexiters have slowly slinked off.
Plenty of Remainers aren't here either.
Maybe some of us are tired of the same arguments about Brexit rolling round and round again?
Possibly, but I would say there are far fewer brexiters on here than there used to be. But this is purely my perception, I don't have data to substantiate my claim.
I think it's reflective of the changed current position of UK voters' opinions, which is now predominantly to remain, rather than a no deal etc. I think it's something like over 100 constituencies have switched from brexit to remain now - and we don't have the full dire exit offer or position yet.
People will instinctively distance themselves from the disaster that brexit has now become.Only the hard core swivel eyed extremists continue to bang the drum. Unfortunatley they would send the entire country down the shitter to keep face over brexit and should be ignored.
"the disaster happened when we joined up in the first place .get your facts right boyo | |||
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"If ' No deal is better than a bad deal ' then would it also be fair to say that ' No BREXIT is better than a bad BREXIT '? i have decided to change tack when it comes to the leaving conversations.... i am not going to point out the consequences of leaving anymore... i am going to let the realities of what the hard brexit will do dawn on them for themselves.... and then the best messengers are going to be those that have the "epithany" they won't ever admit it mind... but we will know!!!
No, they will just slowly go UNLOS as the reality dawns on them. What happened to CandM4U? Or the Scottish oil guy? Plenty of brexiters have slowly slinked off.
Plenty of Remainers aren't here either.
Maybe some of us are tired of the same arguments about Brexit rolling round and round again?
Possibly, but I would say there are far fewer brexiters on here than there used to be. But this is purely my perception, I don't have data to substantiate my claim.
Make a statement, then when challenged you have no data to substantiate it.
That's a common occurrence with you.
Yeah? Why don't you give me three examples then? Or haven't you got the data to substantiate your claim? "1. There would be less instances of child abuse if there were 23,000 more police officers. 2. Tailbacks at the port (of Dover) are going to cost more than £91bn a year. 3. There are far fewer brexiters on here than there used to be. | |||
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"If ' No deal is better than a bad deal ' then would it also be fair to say that ' No BREXIT is better than a bad BREXIT '? i have decided to change tack when it comes to the leaving conversations.... i am not going to point out the consequences of leaving anymore... i am going to let the realities of what the hard brexit will do dawn on them for themselves.... and then the best messengers are going to be those that have the "epithany" they won't ever admit it mind... but we will know!!!
No, they will just slowly go UNLOS as the reality dawns on them. What happened to CandM4U? Or the Scottish oil guy? Plenty of brexiters have slowly slinked off.
Plenty of Remainers aren't here either.
Maybe some of us are tired of the same arguments about Brexit rolling round and round again?
Possibly, but I would say there are far fewer brexiters on here than there used to be. But this is purely my perception, I don't have data to substantiate my claim.
I think it's reflective of the changed current position of UK voters' opinions, which is now predominantly to remain, rather than a no deal etc. I think it's something like over 100 constituencies have switched from brexit to remain now - and we don't have the full dire exit offer or position yet.
Is this just wishful thinking on your part or has someone been round and asked everyone in these constituencies how they would vote now? I thought not! Lol
Based on a poll of around 15000 people so we know how accurate that will be! "If you read the comments from the people who conducted the poll they said "we can't be sure if these poll findings would translate into a remain win in another referendum". No remainer on here is going to admit to that though, lol. | |||
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"If ' No deal is better than a bad deal ' then would it also be fair to say that ' No BREXIT is better than a bad BREXIT '? i have decided to change tack when it comes to the leaving conversations.... i am not going to point out the consequences of leaving anymore... i am going to let the realities of what the hard brexit will do dawn on them for themselves.... and then the best messengers are going to be those that have the "epithany" they won't ever admit it mind... but we will know!!!
No, they will just slowly go UNLOS as the reality dawns on them. What happened to CandM4U? Or the Scottish oil guy? Plenty of brexiters have slowly slinked off.
Plenty of Remainers aren't here either.
Maybe some of us are tired of the same arguments about Brexit rolling round and round again?
Possibly, but I would say there are far fewer brexiters on here than there used to be. But this is purely my perception, I don't have data to substantiate my claim.
I think it's reflective of the changed current position of UK voters' opinions, which is now predominantly to remain, rather than a no deal etc. I think it's something like over 100 constituencies have switched from brexit to remain now - and we don't have the full dire exit offer or position yet.
People will instinctively distance themselves from the disaster that brexit has now become.Only the hard core swivel eyed extremists continue to bang the drum. Unfortunatley they would send the entire country down the shitter to keep face over brexit and should be ignored.
the disaster happened when we joined up in the first place .get your facts right boyo "It is a fact that prior to joining the EU, we were the economic sick man of Europe. We experienced decades of strong economic growth....or did you miss that bit?? | |||
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"If ' No deal is better than a bad deal ' then would it also be fair to say that ' No BREXIT is better than a bad BREXIT '? i have decided to change tack when it comes to the leaving conversations.... i am not going to point out the consequences of leaving anymore... i am going to let the realities of what the hard brexit will do dawn on them for themselves.... and then the best messengers are going to be those that have the "epithany" they won't ever admit it mind... but we will know!!!
No, they will just slowly go UNLOS as the reality dawns on them. What happened to CandM4U? Or the Scottish oil guy? Plenty of brexiters have slowly slinked off.
Plenty of Remainers aren't here either.
Maybe some of us are tired of the same arguments about Brexit rolling round and round again?
Possibly, but I would say there are far fewer brexiters on here than there used to be. But this is purely my perception, I don't have data to substantiate my claim.
I think it's reflective of the changed current position of UK voters' opinions, which is now predominantly to remain, rather than a no deal etc. I think it's something like over 100 constituencies have switched from brexit to remain now - and we don't have the full dire exit offer or position yet.
People will instinctively distance themselves from the disaster that brexit has now become.Only the hard core swivel eyed extremists continue to bang the drum. Unfortunatley they would send the entire country down the shitter to keep face over brexit and should be ignored.
the disaster happened when we joined up in the first place .get your facts right boyo
It is a fact that prior to joining the EU, we were the economic sick man of Europe. We experienced decades of strong economic growth....or did you miss that bit?? "You're right, but then most European (and US) manufacturers weren't much better. It took the Japanese to shake them all up and improve quality and efficiency. | |||
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"If ' No deal is better than a bad deal ' then would it also be fair to say that ' No BREXIT is better than a bad BREXIT '? i have decided to change tack when it comes to the leaving conversations.... i am not going to point out the consequences of leaving anymore... i am going to let the realities of what the hard brexit will do dawn on them for themselves.... and then the best messengers are going to be those that have the "epithany" they won't ever admit it mind... but we will know!!!
No, they will just slowly go UNLOS as the reality dawns on them. What happened to CandM4U? Or the Scottish oil guy? Plenty of brexiters have slowly slinked off.
Plenty of Remainers aren't here either.
Maybe some of us are tired of the same arguments about Brexit rolling round and round again?
Possibly, but I would say there are far fewer brexiters on here than there used to be. But this is purely my perception, I don't have data to substantiate my claim.
I think it's reflective of the changed current position of UK voters' opinions, which is now predominantly to remain, rather than a no deal etc. I think it's something like over 100 constituencies have switched from brexit to remain now - and we don't have the full dire exit offer or position yet.
Is this just wishful thinking on your part or has someone been round and asked everyone in these constituencies how they would vote now? I thought not! Lol
Based on a poll of around 15000 people so we know how accurate that will be!
If you read the comments from the people who conducted the poll they said "we can't be sure if these poll findings would translate into a remain win in another referendum". No remainer on here is going to admit to that though, lol. "Look nobody knows what the result would be - guess as much as you like! As a remainer I don't think there should be another referendum - I want leave to happen now and I want to see this great success. Then we will know who is right and who is wrong! But let me tell you this the 48% aren't going to endure years and years of austerity and those who have been the leaders their "heads will fall" - MP's getting kicked out of their jobs for incompetence! But only time will tell - nobody knows fact! | |||
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"If ' No deal is better than a bad deal ' then would it also be fair to say that ' No BREXIT is better than a bad BREXIT '? i have decided to change tack when it comes to the leaving conversations.... i am not going to point out the consequences of leaving anymore... i am going to let the realities of what the hard brexit will do dawn on them for themselves.... and then the best messengers are going to be those that have the "epithany" they won't ever admit it mind... but we will know!!!
No, they will just slowly go UNLOS as the reality dawns on them. What happened to CandM4U? Or the Scottish oil guy? Plenty of brexiters have slowly slinked off.
Plenty of Remainers aren't here either.
Maybe some of us are tired of the same arguments about Brexit rolling round and round again?
Possibly, but I would say there are far fewer brexiters on here than there used to be. But this is purely my perception, I don't have data to substantiate my claim.
Make a statement, then when challenged you have no data to substantiate it.
That's a common occurrence with you.
Yeah? Why don't you give me three examples then? Or haven't you got the data to substantiate your claim?
1. There would be less instances of child abuse if there were 23,000 more police officers.
2. Tailbacks at the port (of Dover) are going to cost more than £91bn a year.
3. There are far fewer brexiters on here than there used to be."1...No facts to support this 2...No facts to support this 3...No facts to support this | |||
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"1. There would be less instances of child abuse if there were 23,000 more police officers. 2. Tailbacks at the port (of Dover) are going to cost more than £91bn a year. 3. There are far fewer brexiters on here than there used to be. 1...No facts to support this 2...No facts to support this 3...No facts to support this " there is also no facts to counter them either, so currently the claims are legitimate by default | |||
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"If ' No deal is better than a bad deal ' then would it also be fair to say that ' No BREXIT is better than a bad BREXIT '? i have decided to change tack when it comes to the leaving conversations.... i am not going to point out the consequences of leaving anymore... i am going to let the realities of what the hard brexit will do dawn on them for themselves.... and then the best messengers are going to be those that have the "epithany" they won't ever admit it mind... but we will know!!!
No, they will just slowly go UNLOS as the reality dawns on them. What happened to CandM4U? Or the Scottish oil guy? Plenty of brexiters have slowly slinked off.
Plenty of Remainers aren't here either.
Maybe some of us are tired of the same arguments about Brexit rolling round and round again?
Possibly, but I would say there are far fewer brexiters on here than there used to be. But this is purely my perception, I don't have data to substantiate my claim.
I think it's reflective of the changed current position of UK voters' opinions, which is now predominantly to remain, rather than a no deal etc. I think it's something like over 100 constituencies have switched from brexit to remain now - and we don't have the full dire exit offer or position yet.
People will instinctively distance themselves from the disaster that brexit has now become.Only the hard core swivel eyed extremists continue to bang the drum. Unfortunatley they would send the entire country down the shitter to keep face over brexit and should be ignored.
the disaster happened when we joined up in the first place .get your facts right boyo
It is a fact that prior to joining the EU, we were the economic sick man of Europe. We experienced decades of strong economic growth....or did you miss that bit??
You're right, but then most European (and US) manufacturers weren't much better.
It took the Japanese to shake them all up and improve quality and efficiency."So you are saying that there have been no benefits to being in the EU? | |||
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"1. There would be less instances of child abuse if there were 23,000 more police officers. 2. Tailbacks at the port (of Dover) are going to cost more than £91bn a year. 3. There are far fewer brexiters on here than there used to be. 1...No facts to support this 2...No facts to support this 3...No facts to support this there is also no facts to counter them either, so currently the claims are legitimate by default" Not the best defence. Though I'm not sure I need evidence to prove the point about Police numbers. We do know that crime has risen as numbers have fallen. The data has been posted more than once. | |||
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"If ' No deal is better than a bad deal ' then would it also be fair to say that ' No BREXIT is better than a bad BREXIT '? i have decided to change tack when it comes to the leaving conversations.... i am not going to point out the consequences of leaving anymore... i am going to let the realities of what the hard brexit will do dawn on them for themselves.... and then the best messengers are going to be those that have the "epithany" they won't ever admit it mind... but we will know!!!
No, they will just slowly go UNLOS as the reality dawns on them. What happened to CandM4U? Or the Scottish oil guy? Plenty of brexiters have slowly slinked off.
Plenty of Remainers aren't here either.
Maybe some of us are tired of the same arguments about Brexit rolling round and round again?
Possibly, but I would say there are far fewer brexiters on here than there used to be. But this is purely my perception, I don't have data to substantiate my claim.
I think it's reflective of the changed current position of UK voters' opinions, which is now predominantly to remain, rather than a no deal etc. I think it's something like over 100 constituencies have switched from brexit to remain now - and we don't have the full dire exit offer or position yet.
People will instinctively distance themselves from the disaster that brexit has now become.Only the hard core swivel eyed extremists continue to bang the drum. Unfortunatley they would send the entire country down the shitter to keep face over brexit and should be ignored.
the disaster happened when we joined up in the first place .get your facts right boyo
It is a fact that prior to joining the EU, we were the economic sick man of Europe. We experienced decades of strong economic growth....or did you miss that bit??
You're right, but then most European (and US) manufacturers weren't much better.
It took the Japanese to shake them all up and improve quality and efficiency.
So you are saying that there have been no benefits to being in the EU?"I am saying it took the Japanese to shake UK, US and EU manufacturers up and improve quality and efficiency. | |||
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"1. There would be less instances of child abuse if there were 23,000 more police officers. 2. Tailbacks at the port (of Dover) are going to cost more than £91bn a year. 3. There are far fewer brexiters on here than there used to be. 1...No facts to support this 2...No facts to support this 3...No facts to support this there is also no facts to counter them either, so currently the claims are legitimate by default Not the best defence. Though I'm not sure I need evidence to prove the point about Police numbers. We do know that crime has risen as numbers have fallen. The data has been posted more than once." It depends where you live in the UK. According to statistics for Humberside Police, crime levels still rose despite an increase in police numbers. In the year to September 2017, the number of police officers in Humberside Police rose by 8%. They also increased in the year to March 2018. Data released by the Office of National Statistics on 19th July 2018 shows the total recorded crime (excluding fraud) in Humberside for the 12 months ending March 2018 was 86,630. Compared to the previous 12 months this is an increase of 12%. | |||
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"If ' No deal is better than a bad deal ' then would it also be fair to say that ' No BREXIT is better than a bad BREXIT '? i have decided to change tack when it comes to the leaving conversations.... i am not going to point out the consequences of leaving anymore... i am going to let the realities of what the hard brexit will do dawn on them for themselves.... and then the best messengers are going to be those that have the "epithany" they won't ever admit it mind... but we will know!!!
No, they will just slowly go UNLOS as the reality dawns on them. What happened to CandM4U? Or the Scottish oil guy? Plenty of brexiters have slowly slinked off.
Plenty of Remainers aren't here either.
Maybe some of us are tired of the same arguments about Brexit rolling round and round again?
Possibly, but I would say there are far fewer brexiters on here than there used to be. But this is purely my perception, I don't have data to substantiate my claim.
I think it's reflective of the changed current position of UK voters' opinions, which is now predominantly to remain, rather than a no deal etc. I think it's something like over 100 constituencies have switched from brexit to remain now - and we don't have the full dire exit offer or position yet.
People will instinctively distance themselves from the disaster that brexit has now become.Only the hard core swivel eyed extremists continue to bang the drum. Unfortunatley they would send the entire country down the shitter to keep face over brexit and should be ignored.
the disaster happened when we joined up in the first place .get your facts right boyo
It is a fact that prior to joining the EU, we were the economic sick man of Europe. We experienced decades of strong economic growth....or did you miss that bit??
You're right, but then most European (and US) manufacturers weren't much better.
It took the Japanese to shake them all up and improve quality and efficiency.
So you are saying that there have been no benefits to being in the EU?
I am saying it took the Japanese to shake UK, US and EU manufacturers up and improve quality and efficiency."How were we doing relative to the rest of Europe? That's what "Sick man of Europe" means. | |||
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"1. There would be less instances of child abuse if there were 23,000 more police officers. 2. Tailbacks at the port (of Dover) are going to cost more than £91bn a year. 3. There are far fewer brexiters on here than there used to be. 1...No facts to support this 2...No facts to support this 3...No facts to support this there is also no facts to counter them either, so currently the claims are legitimate by default Not the best defence. Though I'm not sure I need evidence to prove the point about Police numbers. We do know that crime has risen as numbers have fallen. The data has been posted more than once. It depends where you live in the UK. According to statistics for Humberside Police, crime levels still rose despite an increase in police numbers. In the year to September 2017, the number of police officers in Humberside Police rose by 8%. They also increased in the year to March 2018. Data released by the Office of National Statistics on 19th July 2018 shows the total recorded crime (excluding fraud) in Humberside for the 12 months ending March 2018 was 86,630. Compared to the previous 12 months this is an increase of 12%." ...or don't live in Humberside as the national statistics tell a different story. This is from their own website: "Total recorded crime (excluding fraud) was 86,630. Compared to the previous 12 months this is an increase of 12% which is just below the national increase of 13%. Every police force in England and Wales has seen a rise in crime. The ONS has previously stated that improvements made by police forces in recording crime are a factor in this year’s increases." One year won't necessarily tell you much. More rookie cops will initially be a drain on resource as they need training and mentoring. It's the same in any organisation with a big expansion. However if you feel that the crime rate is inversely proportional to the number of police officers you can give us an idea of what policy conclusion this would lead to? | |||
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"If ' No deal is better than a bad deal ' then would it also be fair to say that ' No BREXIT is better than a bad BREXIT '? i have decided to change tack when it comes to the leaving conversations.... i am not going to point out the consequences of leaving anymore... i am going to let the realities of what the hard brexit will do dawn on them for themselves.... and then the best messengers are going to be those that have the "epithany" they won't ever admit it mind... but we will know!!!
No, they will just slowly go UNLOS as the reality dawns on them. What happened to CandM4U? Or the Scottish oil guy? Plenty of brexiters have slowly slinked off.
Plenty of Remainers aren't here either.
Maybe some of us are tired of the same arguments about Brexit rolling round and round again?
Possibly, but I would say there are far fewer brexiters on here than there used to be. But this is purely my perception, I don't have data to substantiate my claim.
I think it's reflective of the changed current position of UK voters' opinions, which is now predominantly to remain, rather than a no deal etc. I think it's something like over 100 constituencies have switched from brexit to remain now - and we don't have the full dire exit offer or position yet.
People will instinctively distance themselves from the disaster that brexit has now become.Only the hard core swivel eyed extremists continue to bang the drum. Unfortunatley they would send the entire country down the shitter to keep face over brexit and should be ignored.
the disaster happened when we joined up in the first place .get your facts right boyo
It is a fact that prior to joining the EU, we were the economic sick man of Europe. We experienced decades of strong economic growth....or did you miss that bit??
You're right, but then most European (and US) manufacturers weren't much better.
It took the Japanese to shake them all up and improve quality and efficiency.
So you are saying that there have been no benefits to being in the EU?
I am saying it took the Japanese to shake UK, US and EU manufacturers up and improve quality and efficiency.
How were we doing relative to the rest of Europe?
That's what "Sick man of Europe" means."In that case then how is the EU doing relative to the rest of the world right now? Talking about the here and now, the EU could be classed as 'the sick man of the world'. The only continent in the world with slower economic growth than the EU is Antarctica. | |||
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"In that case then how is the EU doing relative to the rest of the world right now? Talking about the here and now, the EU could be classed as 'the sick man of the world'. The only continent in the world with slower economic growth than the EU is Antarctica. " measured in GDP? if so you need to use your alex jones school of economics diploma to wipe your arse with and flush it down the toilet | |||
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"If ' No deal is better than a bad deal ' then would it also be fair to say that ' No BREXIT is better than a bad BREXIT '? i have decided to change tack when it comes to the leaving conversations.... i am not going to point out the consequences of leaving anymore... i am going to let the realities of what the hard brexit will do dawn on them for themselves.... and then the best messengers are going to be those that have the "epithany" they won't ever admit it mind... but we will know!!!
No, they will just slowly go UNLOS as the reality dawns on them. What happened to CandM4U? Or the Scottish oil guy? Plenty of brexiters have slowly slinked off.
Plenty of Remainers aren't here either.
Maybe some of us are tired of the same arguments about Brexit rolling round and round again?
Possibly, but I would say there are far fewer brexiters on here than there used to be. But this is purely my perception, I don't have data to substantiate my claim.
I think it's reflective of the changed current position of UK voters' opinions, which is now predominantly to remain, rather than a no deal etc. I think it's something like over 100 constituencies have switched from brexit to remain now - and we don't have the full dire exit offer or position yet.
People will instinctively distance themselves from the disaster that brexit has now become.Only the hard core swivel eyed extremists continue to bang the drum. Unfortunatley they would send the entire country down the shitter to keep face over brexit and should be ignored.
the disaster happened when we joined up in the first place .get your facts right boyo
It is a fact that prior to joining the EU, we were the economic sick man of Europe. We experienced decades of strong economic growth....or did you miss that bit??
You're right, but then most European (and US) manufacturers weren't much better.
It took the Japanese to shake them all up and improve quality and efficiency.
So you are saying that there have been no benefits to being in the EU?
I am saying it took the Japanese to shake UK, US and EU manufacturers up and improve quality and efficiency.
How were we doing relative to the rest of Europe?
That's what "Sick man of Europe" means."If you read what I said I agreed we were the sick man of Europe, so in relative terms not very well. I was pointing out that European (and US) manufacturers weren't exactly match fit themselves and it took the Japanese to show everyone how to improve efficiency and quality. | |||
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"If ' No deal is better than a bad deal ' then would it also be fair to say that ' No BREXIT is better than a bad BREXIT '? i have decided to change tack when it comes to the leaving conversations.... i am not going to point out the consequences of leaving anymore... i am going to let the realities of what the hard brexit will do dawn on them for themselves.... and then the best messengers are going to be those that have the "epithany" they won't ever admit it mind... but we will know!!!
No, they will just slowly go UNLOS as the reality dawns on them. What happened to CandM4U? Or the Scottish oil guy? Plenty of brexiters have slowly slinked off.
Plenty of Remainers aren't here either.
Maybe some of us are tired of the same arguments about Brexit rolling round and round again?
Possibly, but I would say there are far fewer brexiters on here than there used to be. But this is purely my perception, I don't have data to substantiate my claim.
I think it's reflective of the changed current position of UK voters' opinions, which is now predominantly to remain, rather than a no deal etc. I think it's something like over 100 constituencies have switched from brexit to remain now - and we don't have the full dire exit offer or position yet.
People will instinctively distance themselves from the disaster that brexit has now become.Only the hard core swivel eyed extremists continue to bang the drum. Unfortunatley they would send the entire country down the shitter to keep face over brexit and should be ignored.
the disaster happened when we joined up in the first place .get your facts right boyo
It is a fact that prior to joining the EU, we were the economic sick man of Europe. We experienced decades of strong economic growth....or did you miss that bit??
You're right, but then most European (and US) manufacturers weren't much better.
It took the Japanese to shake them all up and improve quality and efficiency.
So you are saying that there have been no benefits to being in the EU?
I am saying it took the Japanese to shake UK, US and EU manufacturers up and improve quality and efficiency.
How were we doing relative to the rest of Europe?
That's what "Sick man of Europe" means.
In that case then how is the EU doing relative to the rest of the world right now? Talking about the here and now, the EU could be classed as 'the sick man of the world'.
The only continent in the world with slower economic growth than the EU is Antarctica. "Four of the seven biggest economies in the world are currently members of the EU.....just saying | |||
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"If ' No deal is better than a bad deal ' then would it also be fair to say that ' No BREXIT is better than a bad BREXIT '? i have decided to change tack when it comes to the leaving conversations.... i am not going to point out the consequences of leaving anymore... i am going to let the realities of what the hard brexit will do dawn on them for themselves.... and then the best messengers are going to be those that have the "epithany" they won't ever admit it mind... but we will know!!!
No, they will just slowly go UNLOS as the reality dawns on them. What happened to CandM4U? Or the Scottish oil guy? Plenty of brexiters have slowly slinked off.
Plenty of Remainers aren't here either.
Maybe some of us are tired of the same arguments about Brexit rolling round and round again?
Possibly, but I would say there are far fewer brexiters on here than there used to be. But this is purely my perception, I don't have data to substantiate my claim.
I think it's reflective of the changed current position of UK voters' opinions, which is now predominantly to remain, rather than a no deal etc. I think it's something like over 100 constituencies have switched from brexit to remain now - and we don't have the full dire exit offer or position yet.
People will instinctively distance themselves from the disaster that brexit has now become.Only the hard core swivel eyed extremists continue to bang the drum. Unfortunatley they would send the entire country down the shitter to keep face over brexit and should be ignored.
the disaster happened when we joined up in the first place .get your facts right boyo
It is a fact that prior to joining the EU, we were the economic sick man of Europe. We experienced decades of strong economic growth....or did you miss that bit??
You're right, but then most European (and US) manufacturers weren't much better.
It took the Japanese to shake them all up and improve quality and efficiency.
So you are saying that there have been no benefits to being in the EU?
I am saying it took the Japanese to shake UK, US and EU manufacturers up and improve quality and efficiency.
How were we doing relative to the rest of Europe?
That's what "Sick man of Europe" means.
In that case then how is the EU doing relative to the rest of the world right now? Talking about the here and now, the EU could be classed as 'the sick man of the world'.
The only continent in the world with slower economic growth than the EU is Antarctica. "This yet another BREXIT lie. In the year 2015, the year figures were available for during the referendum, the EU grew by 2% while the US grew by 2.3% and the whole world grew by 3.1%. The slowest growing continent in the world was South America which grew at -0.1%. As for Antarctica; no figures for economic growth have ever been produced so it's impossible to compare. | |||
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"If ' No deal is better than a bad deal ' then would it also be fair to say that ' No BREXIT is better than a bad BREXIT '? i have decided to change tack when it comes to the leaving conversations.... i am not going to point out the consequences of leaving anymore... i am going to let the realities of what the hard brexit will do dawn on them for themselves.... and then the best messengers are going to be those that have the "epithany" they won't ever admit it mind... but we will know!!!
No, they will just slowly go UNLOS as the reality dawns on them. What happened to CandM4U? Or the Scottish oil guy? Plenty of brexiters have slowly slinked off.
Plenty of Remainers aren't here either.
Maybe some of us are tired of the same arguments about Brexit rolling round and round again?
Possibly, but I would say there are far fewer brexiters on here than there used to be. But this is purely my perception, I don't have data to substantiate my claim.
I think it's reflective of the changed current position of UK voters' opinions, which is now predominantly to remain, rather than a no deal etc. I think it's something like over 100 constituencies have switched from brexit to remain now - and we don't have the full dire exit offer or position yet.
People will instinctively distance themselves from the disaster that brexit has now become.Only the hard core swivel eyed extremists continue to bang the drum. Unfortunatley they would send the entire country down the shitter to keep face over brexit and should be ignored.
the disaster happened when we joined up in the first place .get your facts right boyo
It is a fact that prior to joining the EU, we were the economic sick man of Europe. We experienced decades of strong economic growth....or did you miss that bit??
You're right, but then most European (and US) manufacturers weren't much better.
It took the Japanese to shake them all up and improve quality and efficiency.
So you are saying that there have been no benefits to being in the EU?
I am saying it took the Japanese to shake UK, US and EU manufacturers up and improve quality and efficiency.
How were we doing relative to the rest of Europe?
That's what "Sick man of Europe" means.
In that case then how is the EU doing relative to the rest of the world right now? Talking about the here and now, the EU could be classed as 'the sick man of the world'.
The only continent in the world with slower economic growth than the EU is Antarctica.
Four of the seven biggest economies in the world are currently members of the EU.....just saying "One of those 4 is in the process of leaving....just saying. | |||
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"If ' No deal is better than a bad deal ' then would it also be fair to say that ' No BREXIT is better than a bad BREXIT '? i have decided to change tack when it comes to the leaving conversations.... i am not going to point out the consequences of leaving anymore... i am going to let the realities of what the hard brexit will do dawn on them for themselves.... and then the best messengers are going to be those that have the "epithany" they won't ever admit it mind... but we will know!!!
No, they will just slowly go UNLOS as the reality dawns on them. What happened to CandM4U? Or the Scottish oil guy? Plenty of brexiters have slowly slinked off.
Plenty of Remainers aren't here either.
Maybe some of us are tired of the same arguments about Brexit rolling round and round again?
Possibly, but I would say there are far fewer brexiters on here than there used to be. But this is purely my perception, I don't have data to substantiate my claim.
I think it's reflective of the changed current position of UK voters' opinions, which is now predominantly to remain, rather than a no deal etc. I think it's something like over 100 constituencies have switched from brexit to remain now - and we don't have the full dire exit offer or position yet.
People will instinctively distance themselves from the disaster that brexit has now become.Only the hard core swivel eyed extremists continue to bang the drum. Unfortunatley they would send the entire country down the shitter to keep face over brexit and should be ignored.
the disaster happened when we joined up in the first place .get your facts right boyo
It is a fact that prior to joining the EU, we were the economic sick man of Europe. We experienced decades of strong economic growth....or did you miss that bit??
You're right, but then most European (and US) manufacturers weren't much better.
It took the Japanese to shake them all up and improve quality and efficiency.
So you are saying that there have been no benefits to being in the EU?
I am saying it took the Japanese to shake UK, US and EU manufacturers up and improve quality and efficiency.
How were we doing relative to the rest of Europe?
That's what "Sick man of Europe" means.
In that case then how is the EU doing relative to the rest of the world right now? Talking about the here and now, the EU could be classed as 'the sick man of the world'.
The only continent in the world with slower economic growth than the EU is Antarctica.
Four of the seven biggest economies in the world are currently members of the EU.....just saying
One of those 4 is in the process of leaving....just saying. "Some countries in the EU have some of the highest growth rates in the World too - Romania is growing at around 6%! | |||
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"If ' No deal is better than a bad deal ' then would it also be fair to say that ' No BREXIT is better than a bad BREXIT '? i have decided to change tack when it comes to the leaving conversations.... i am not going to point out the consequences of leaving anymore... i am going to let the realities of what the hard brexit will do dawn on them for themselves.... and then the best messengers are going to be those that have the "epithany" they won't ever admit it mind... but we will know!!!
No, they will just slowly go UNLOS as the reality dawns on them. What happened to CandM4U? Or the Scottish oil guy? Plenty of brexiters have slowly slinked off.
Plenty of Remainers aren't here either.
Maybe some of us are tired of the same arguments about Brexit rolling round and round again?
Possibly, but I would say there are far fewer brexiters on here than there used to be. But this is purely my perception, I don't have data to substantiate my claim.
I think it's reflective of the changed current position of UK voters' opinions, which is now predominantly to remain, rather than a no deal etc. I think it's something like over 100 constituencies have switched from brexit to remain now - and we don't have the full dire exit offer or position yet.
Is this just wishful thinking on your part or has someone been round and asked everyone in these constituencies how they would vote now? I thought not! Lol "No opinion gathering or referendum is ever likely to get 100% of the electorate point of view, as you likely grasp. But the August 2018 electoral review, based on all constituencies, puts over 100 of them as now being Remain, instead of their archaic leave constituencies. A lot of MPs will find some surprises, if they are now out of step with what voters want in the current moment. | |||
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"1. There would be less instances of child abuse if there were 23,000 more police officers. 2. Tailbacks at the port (of Dover) are going to cost more than £91bn a year. 3. There are far fewer brexiters on here than there used to be. 1...No facts to support this 2...No facts to support this 3...No facts to support this there is also no facts to counter them either, so currently the claims are legitimate by default" In that case; There would be more instances of child abuse if there were 23,000 more police officers Tailbacks at the port of Dover will make the UK economy £91 Billion better off. There are fewer remainers on here than there used to be. All the above claims are legitimate by default. | |||
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"If ' No deal is better than a bad deal ' then would it also be fair to say that ' No BREXIT is better than a bad BREXIT '? i have decided to change tack when it comes to the leaving conversations.... i am not going to point out the consequences of leaving anymore... i am going to let the realities of what the hard brexit will do dawn on them for themselves.... and then the best messengers are going to be those that have the "epithany" they won't ever admit it mind... but we will know!!!
No, they will just slowly go UNLOS as the reality dawns on them. What happened to CandM4U? Or the Scottish oil guy? Plenty of brexiters have slowly slinked off.
Plenty of Remainers aren't here either.
Maybe some of us are tired of the same arguments about Brexit rolling round and round again?
Possibly, but I would say there are far fewer brexiters on here than there used to be. But this is purely my perception, I don't have data to substantiate my claim.
I think it's reflective of the changed current position of UK voters' opinions, which is now predominantly to remain, rather than a no deal etc. I think it's something like over 100 constituencies have switched from brexit to remain now - and we don't have the full dire exit offer or position yet.
Is this just wishful thinking on your part or has someone been round and asked everyone in these constituencies how they would vote now? I thought not! Lol
No opinion gathering or referendum is ever likely to get 100% of the electorate point of view, as you likely grasp. But the August 2018 electoral review, based on all constituencies, puts over 100 of them as now being Remain, instead of their archaic leave constituencies. A lot of MPs will find some surprises, if they are now out of step with what voters want in the current moment. "It was based on a poll of 15000 people if you read all the data! Highly unlikely to be accurate as you well know and mentioned by the group who carried it out but to you it's 'gospel'. The report mentioned Boris's constituency but I haven't heard anything about all these remainers asking him to change his stance! Why not!? | |||
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"If ' No deal is better than a bad deal ' then would it also be fair to say that ' No BREXIT is better than a bad BREXIT '? i have decided to change tack when it comes to the leaving conversations.... i am not going to point out the consequences of leaving anymore... i am going to let the realities of what the hard brexit will do dawn on them for themselves.... and then the best messengers are going to be those that have the "epithany" they won't ever admit it mind... but we will know!!!
No, they will just slowly go UNLOS as the reality dawns on them. What happened to CandM4U? Or the Scottish oil guy? Plenty of brexiters have slowly slinked off.
Plenty of Remainers aren't here either.
Maybe some of us are tired of the same arguments about Brexit rolling round and round again?
Possibly, but I would say there are far fewer brexiters on here than there used to be. But this is purely my perception, I don't have data to substantiate my claim.
I think it's reflective of the changed current position of UK voters' opinions, which is now predominantly to remain, rather than a no deal etc. I think it's something like over 100 constituencies have switched from brexit to remain now - and we don't have the full dire exit offer or position yet.
Is this just wishful thinking on your part or has someone been round and asked everyone in these constituencies how they would vote now? I thought not! Lol
No opinion gathering or referendum is ever likely to get 100% of the electorate point of view, as you likely grasp. But the August 2018 electoral review, based on all constituencies, puts over 100 of them as now being Remain, instead of their archaic leave constituencies. A lot of MPs will find some surprises, if they are now out of step with what voters want in the current moment. "Oh and the MP's likely to get a shock are the remain ones who vote against the wishes of the constituencies where they voted to leave!Represent the people my backside! | |||
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"Why oh why do people think it's all about racists....and people coming or not coming to the UK...u can be a britex person and not racist " And you could be a fish and not live in the sea too. | |||
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"If ' No deal is better than a bad deal ' then would it also be fair to say that ' No BREXIT is better than a bad BREXIT '? i have decided to change tack when it comes to the leaving conversations.... i am not going to point out the consequences of leaving anymore... i am going to let the realities of what the hard brexit will do dawn on them for themselves.... and then the best messengers are going to be those that have the "epithany" they won't ever admit it mind... but we will know!!!
No, they will just slowly go UNLOS as the reality dawns on them. What happened to CandM4U? Or the Scottish oil guy? Plenty of brexiters have slowly slinked off.
Plenty of Remainers aren't here either.
Maybe some of us are tired of the same arguments about Brexit rolling round and round again?
Possibly, but I would say there are far fewer brexiters on here than there used to be. But this is purely my perception, I don't have data to substantiate my claim.
So it's a non-fact based claim? Lol"I think it's called an opinion.  | |||
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"Why oh why do people think it's all about racists....and people coming or not coming to the UK...u can be a britex person and not racist And you could be a fish and not live in the sea too." do you think all leave voters are racist then ? | |||
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"If ' No deal is better than a bad deal ' then would it also be fair to say that ' No BREXIT is better than a bad BREXIT '? i have decided to change tack when it comes to the leaving conversations.... i am not going to point out the consequences of leaving anymore... i am going to let the realities of what the hard brexit will do dawn on them for themselves.... and then the best messengers are going to be those that have the "epithany" they won't ever admit it mind... but we will know!!!
No, they will just slowly go UNLOS as the reality dawns on them. What happened to CandM4U? Or the Scottish oil guy? Plenty of brexiters have slowly slinked off.
Plenty of Remainers aren't here either.
Maybe some of us are tired of the same arguments about Brexit rolling round and round again?
Possibly, but I would say there are far fewer brexiters on here than there used to be. But this is purely my perception, I don't have data to substantiate my claim.
I think it's reflective of the changed current position of UK voters' opinions, which is now predominantly to remain, rather than a no deal etc. I think it's something like over 100 constituencies have switched from brexit to remain now - and we don't have the full dire exit offer or position yet.
Is this just wishful thinking on your part or has someone been round and asked everyone in these constituencies how they would vote now? I thought not! Lol
No opinion gathering or referendum is ever likely to get 100% of the electorate point of view, as you likely grasp. But the August 2018 electoral review, based on all constituencies, puts over 100 of them as now being Remain, instead of their archaic leave constituencies. A lot of MPs will find some surprises, if they are now out of step with what voters want in the current moment.
Oh and the MP's likely to get a shock are the remain ones who vote against the wishes of the constituencies where they voted to leave!Represent the people my backside! "What about rabid Brexiteers who represent remain constituencies? I give you the Right Honourable member for the C18th | |||
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"Why oh why do people think it's all about racists....and people coming or not coming to the UK...u can be a britex person and not racist And you could be a fish and not live in the sea too. do you think all leave voters are racist then ?" Not all leave voters are racist, but all racists voted leave | |||
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"Why oh why do people think it's all about racists....and people coming or not coming to the UK...u can be a britex person and not racist And you could be a fish and not live in the sea too. do you think all leave voters are racist then ?" This is a line which only gets people angry for no reason. Are all Leave voters racist? No Are some racist? Yes Was immigration the most important part of the Leave fear campaign? Yes It's the same with the discussion about academic attainment or other demographics. Did most Leave voters have lower academic attainment? Yes Does lower academic attainment make them stupid? No Is someone refusing to see flaws in their own arguments or benefits in an opposing position stupid? Yes. Very. Were most leave voters poorer? Yes Were most Leave voters older? Yes They are just observations. They are only insulting if they are weaponised. Sometimes this information is used as an insult. That makes the individual foolish not the entire argument. Sometimes the information is used as just that. Information. | |||
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" Oh and the MP's likely to get a shock are the remain ones who vote against the wishes of the constituencies where they voted to leave!Represent the people my backside!
What about rabid Brexiteers who represent remain constituencies? I give you the Right Honourable member for the C18th "funny enough they never talk about them!!! not only moggsy.... IDS represents one of those (chingford) kate hoey (battersea) john redwood (Wokingham) teresa villiers was not only a brexiteer whos constituency voted remain, but she was secretary of state for northern ireland, that also voted to remain! | |||
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"Why oh why do people think it's all about racists....and people coming or not coming to the UK...u can be a britex person and not racist And you could be a fish and not live in the sea too. do you think all leave voters are racist then ? This is a line which only gets people angry for no reason. Are all Leave voters racist? No Are some racist? Yes Was immigration the most important part of the Leave fear campaign? Yes It's the same with the discussion about academic attainment or other demographics. Did most Leave voters have lower academic attainment? Yes Does lower academic attainment make them stupid? No Is someone refusing to see flaws in their own arguments or benefits in an opposing position stupid? Yes. Very. Were most leave voters poorer? Yes Were most Leave voters older? Yes They are just observations. They are only insulting if they are weaponised. Sometimes this information is used as an insult. That makes the individual foolish not the entire argument. Sometimes the information is used as just that. Information." Ok a question - immigration was a major factor in the leave campaign right? So why has immigration from the rest of the world been higher than immigration from the EU? We have control of the rest of the world right? Also freedom of movement EU rules only lasts for 90 days. Over 90 days there are strict criteria. Finally the latest net migration last year was 270,000 - 85,000 from the EU ( 45,000 being eastern Europeans) so that's 185,000 non EU which we control! | |||
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"Why oh why do people think it's all about racists....and people coming or not coming to the UK...u can be a britex person and not racist And you could be a fish and not live in the sea too. do you think all leave voters are racist then ? This is a line which only gets people angry for no reason. Are all Leave voters racist? No Are some racist? Yes Was immigration the most important part of the Leave fear campaign? Yes It's the same with the discussion about academic attainment or other demographics. Did most Leave voters have lower academic attainment? Yes Does lower academic attainment make them stupid? No Is someone refusing to see flaws in their own arguments or benefits in an opposing position stupid? Yes. Very. Were most leave voters poorer? Yes Were most Leave voters older? Yes They are just observations. They are only insulting if they are weaponised. Sometimes this information is used as an insult. That makes the individual foolish not the entire argument. Sometimes the information is used as just that. Information. Ok a question - immigration was a major factor in the leave campaign right? So why has immigration from the rest of the world been higher than immigration from the EU? We have control of the rest of the world right? Also freedom of movement EU rules only lasts for 90 days. Over 90 days there are strict criteria. Finally the latest net migration last year was 270,000 - 85,000 from the EU ( 45,000 being eastern Europeans) so that's 185,000 non EU which we control! " Don’t worry, May will sort it out like she did every year she was home sec... Oh. -Matt | |||
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"If ' No deal is better than a bad deal ' then would it also be fair to say that ' No BREXIT is better than a bad BREXIT '?" A bad Brexit will be better than the hilariously clinical sounding "clean break". I'd be delighted to have a Leaver explain the benefits other than not being quite as disastrous as as the worst case scenario. | |||
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"Why oh why do people think it's all about racists....and people coming or not coming to the UK...u can be a britex person and not racist And you could be a fish and not live in the sea too. do you think all leave voters are racist then ?" Do you think all fish live in the sea then? | |||
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"If ' No deal is better than a bad deal ' then would it also be fair to say that ' No BREXIT is better than a bad BREXIT '? i have decided to change tack when it comes to the leaving conversations.... i am not going to point out the consequences of leaving anymore... i am going to let the realities of what the hard brexit will do dawn on them for themselves.... and then the best messengers are going to be those that have the "epithany" they won't ever admit it mind... but we will know!!!
No, they will just slowly go UNLOS as the reality dawns on them. What happened to CandM4U? Or the Scottish oil guy? Plenty of brexiters have slowly slinked off."Because a lot of us just got bored shitless answering the same old same old same old project fear shit that was regurgitated by the same old same old same old suspects day in day out. For future threads maybe they should consider earthquakes, pestilence, plague, volcanic eruptions, fire & brimstone Etc Etc. Come on you remoaners there are only a few months left. You need to up your game a bit to get all of those in. BTW. You can forget that the EU will ban the Grand National. It's already been done. | |||
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"If the EU had just stuck to the original remit of business and goods and left the imagration aspect to individual countries then we would probably still been staying Load of rubbish - just shows how little you actually know! In 2004 when the "eastern" countries joined there were blocks on their citizens movement within the EU to prevent mass migration. The UK government chose not to implement these rules ( not being dictated to by the EU in leavers speak), and in they came. There were equal rules when Bulgaria and Romania joined! Finally freedom of movement within the EU is only 90 days! After that period of time you are required to register with the appropriate authority. Your also required to have: 1 sufficient income/capital not to be a burden on the host state 2 have comprehensive medical cover not to be a burden on the host state 3 not be a security risk If you look at immigration figures non EU migration was always more than EU migration!" Yes, this is never quoted in the MSM. The ruling classes saw cheap labour to increase profits. They have then turned this around. Why? So they can increase profit by deregulation and dismantling of Labour rights and laws. Those in jobs that can be automated or those who in repetitive task jobs should be very concerned. Take Dyson and his farms, Britains second biggest land owner by the way. He is looking to automated 90% of the work currently done by hand....  | |||
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"If ' No deal is better than a bad deal ' then would it also be fair to say that ' No BREXIT is better than a bad BREXIT '? i have decided to change tack when it comes to the leaving conversations.... i am not going to point out the consequences of leaving anymore... i am going to let the realities of what the hard brexit will do dawn on them for themselves.... and then the best messengers are going to be those that have the "epithany" they won't ever admit it mind... but we will know!!!
No, they will just slowly go UNLOS as the reality dawns on them. What happened to CandM4U? Or the Scottish oil guy? Plenty of brexiters have slowly slinked off.
Because a lot of us just got bored shitless answering the same old same old same old project fear shit that was regurgitated by the same old same old same old suspects day in day out.
For future threads maybe they should consider earthquakes, pestilence, plague, volcanic eruptions, fire & brimstone Etc Etc.
Come on you remoaners there are only a few months left. You need to up your game a bit to get all of those in.
BTW. You can forget that the EU will ban the Grand National.
It's already been done. "If you ever answered any questions with anything except an election phrase we might stop questioning. Here is a very, very simple one. If we have a WTO trade dispute will the UK Supreme Court have legal sovereignty over the decision? | |||
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"If ' No deal is better than a bad deal ' then would it also be fair to say that ' No BREXIT is better than a bad BREXIT '? i have decided to change tack when it comes to the leaving conversations.... i am not going to point out the consequences of leaving anymore... i am going to let the realities of what the hard brexit will do dawn on them for themselves.... and then the best messengers are going to be those that have the "epithany" they won't ever admit it mind... but we will know!!!
No, they will just slowly go UNLOS as the reality dawns on them. What happened to CandM4U? Or the Scottish oil guy? Plenty of brexiters have slowly slinked off.
Because a lot of us just got bored shitless answering the same old same old same old project fear shit that was regurgitated by the same old same old same old suspects day in day out.
For future threads maybe they should consider earthquakes, pestilence, plague, volcanic eruptions, fire & brimstone Etc Etc.
Come on you remoaners there are only a few months left. You need to up your game a bit to get all of those in.
BTW. You can forget that the EU will ban the Grand National.
It's already been done. "........... says the person living in "germany and spain"
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"Those who are panicking the most about the financial “consequences” of BREXIT, are the ones who have either never been poor, or have been riding the EU gravy train and think they should be able to hold the rest of us to ransom. People who are scraping by on the minimum wage, who have to go to work on the bus, and who will be working till they either croke it or until they are 75, will probably be better off. The big companies will continue to employ them, as the weaker pound will actually make their wages cheaper. Social housing rent, food prices, council tax deductions etc will all remain as affordable as they are now, as they will all need to sell the same amount and raise the same money. Real working class people will be fine, either nothing will change, or things will start looking better. As for political persuasions, none of LibLabCon represent the real working class in this country. Even comrade Corbyn has stopped pretending and is looking for the student vote. If the govt reneg on BREXIT, there will be a backlash like never seen before. Snooty fucking guardian reading, finger wagging liberals do not speak for us, only for themselves. This country was built by poor people who worked their bollocks off. We still exist, and we will take it back." Amazing, you have the ability to post on fab from a parallel universe! | |||
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"Those who are panicking the most about the financial “consequences” of BREXIT, are the ones who have either never been poor, or have been riding the EU gravy train and think they should be able to hold the rest of us to ransom. People who are scraping by on the minimum wage, who have to go to work on the bus, and who will be working till they either croke it or until they are 75, will probably be better off. The big companies will continue to employ them, as the weaker pound will actually make their wages cheaper. Social housing rent, food prices, council tax deductions etc will all remain as affordable as they are now, as they will all need to sell the same amount and raise the same money. Real working class people will be fine, either nothing will change, or things will start looking better. As for political persuasions, none of LibLabCon represent the real working class in this country. Even comrade Corbyn has stopped pretending and is looking for the student vote. If the govt reneg on BREXIT, there will be a backlash like never seen before. Snooty fucking guardian reading, finger wagging liberals do not speak for us, only for themselves. This country was built by poor people who worked their bollocks off. We still exist, and we will take it back." That's your "analysis"? None of it follows logically at all. If the pound reaches parity with both the Euro and the USA it will still cost more to build in and export from the UK due to tariffs on imports and exports. So why make new manufacturing investment in the UK? Odds on, we will reduce corporation tax in a bid to merely retain the status quo. So tax receipts and therefore money available for public spending will fall. Middle income jobs will be under severe pressure. Middle and low income jobs will become less secure and working conditions will be eroded to "increase" competitiveness. High end technical design has no such barriers so, in fact, the majority of the "elite" will be fine. A weaker pound will increase the cost of imports, so the standard of living will fall, not remain as it is now. If life gets even harder than it is now because of Brexit the backlash will be brutal. Who does represent the people? The owners of The Sun and the Mail? UKIP? What are their policies other than than blaming others for our problems? In your world, are we individually responsible for anything at all or are we all just helpless victims of some conspiracy? If you want the poor to be better off you reward education and kindness rather than ignorance selfishness from a young age. You spend your energy on providing every child an opportunity to find their talents. You do not point at someone else and blame them for everything. You look at yourself first. Throughout history teams and alliances win out over individuals. | |||
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"Those who are panicking the most about the financial “consequences” of BREXIT, are the ones who have either never been poor, or have been riding the EU gravy train and think they should be able to hold the rest of us to ransom. People who are scraping by on the minimum wage, who have to go to work on the bus, and who will be working till they either croke it or until they are 75, will probably be better off. The big companies will continue to employ them, as the weaker pound will actually make their wages cheaper. Social housing rent, food prices, council tax deductions etc will all remain as affordable as they are now, as they will all need to sell the same amount and raise the same money. Real working class people will be fine, either nothing will change, or things will start looking better. As for political persuasions, none of LibLabCon represent the real working class in this country. Even comrade Corbyn has stopped pretending and is looking for the student vote. If the govt reneg on BREXIT, there will be a backlash like never seen before. Snooty fucking guardian reading, finger wagging liberals do not speak for us, only for themselves. This country was built by poor people who worked their bollocks off. We still exist, and we will take it back." If you believe the EU is responsible for the gulf in inequality in the UK, the destruction of the UK's manufacturing base, the post-industrial wreckage of some northern towns . . . well, you will need to find someone else to blame come March 29. | |||
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"Exactly this. Brexit was orchestrated by the ultra rich specifically to furether exploit poor people. In that respect they have been extremely sussessful, As evidenced by this guy who is still arguing, after all the overwhelming facts and evidence, that Brexit will some how be beneficial to working class people. " Overwhelming facts and evidence? I have yet to hear any of this. It’s all a load of bollocks dressed up as facts in order to scare those who have trouble thinking for themselves. I underlined why I believe that BREXIT will not hurt working class people and families in particular. All I get back is same old yadda yadda rhetoric from same old remoaners. | |||
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" I underlined why I believe that BREXIT will not hurt working class people and families in particular. All I get back is same old yadda yadda rhetoric from same old remoaners." You remind me of a TV clip that does lend weight to your case. In the run-up to the referendum, when Osbourne was claiming Brexit would make each household £3k a year poorer on average, TV news interviewed a lady in Middlesboro or somewhere, and asked for her reaction. "Three thousand pounds!" she exclaimed. "I've never had three thousand pounds. I've no money now and, if I've no money then either, it won't make any difference to me." It underlined for me how one half of the country does not have a clue about life in the other half. | |||
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"Exactly this. Brexit was orchestrated by the ultra rich specifically to furether exploit poor people. In that respect they have been extremely sussessful, As evidenced by this guy who is still arguing, after all the overwhelming facts and evidence, that Brexit will some how be beneficial to working class people. Overwhelming facts and evidence? I have yet to hear any of this. It’s all a load of bollocks dressed up as facts in order to scare those who have trouble thinking for themselves. I underlined why I believe that BREXIT will not hurt working class people and families in particular. All I get back is same old yadda yadda rhetoric from same old remoaners." I’m guessing, by your views based on nothing in particular and the RANDOM words being capitalised, that you read the Express newspaper? Regardless of that jibe at you. My life is too short to attempt to educate you. There is an extensive wealth of information out there in the public domain which I would suggest that you read, but it’s too late, you and others voted this country to go to the dogs. And that’s what we’re all subjected to. It’s just bizarre that some of you are still arguing that everything is great and going to somehow help people in this country. | |||
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"Exactly this. Brexit was orchestrated by the ultra rich specifically to furether exploit poor people. In that respect they have been extremely sussessful, As evidenced by this guy who is still arguing, after all the overwhelming facts and evidence, that Brexit will some how be beneficial to working class people. Overwhelming facts and evidence? I have yet to hear any of this. It’s all a load of bollocks dressed up as facts in order to scare those who have trouble thinking for themselves. I underlined why I believe that BREXIT will not hurt working class people and families in particular. All I get back is same old yadda yadda rhetoric from same old remoaners." you call it "yadda yadda yadda" ... let me pick you up on one of the most ridicoulous things you said in the last post.... "People who are scraping by on the minimum wage, who have to go to work on the bus, and who will be working till they either croke it or until they are 75, will probably be better off. The big companies will continue to employ them, as the weaker pound will actually make their wages cheaper. Social housing rent, food prices, council tax deductions etc will all remain as affordable as they are now, as they will all need to sell the same amount and raise the same money" all sorts of "wrong" in this paragraph alone... just just to point out where you lost credibility... 1) the weaker pound stuff...... you seem to be forgetting that for and benefit exporters would get in a weekend pound would be negated and cancelled out the WTO tariffs you would have put on to those products you want in your hard brexit 2) food prices.... no, just no!!! anything imported would go up in price due to tariffs and that weaker pound you laude over!!!!! 3) social housing costs... here is a quickie... electricity, gas, oil....they are prices in US dollars... which means if the pound is weaker, we are going to be paying more!!! you pound in your pocket is not going to go as far as it does full stop!!! is as you say, you run a business... i really wonder how you stay afloat!!! | |||
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"If ' No deal is better than a bad deal ' then would it also be fair to say that ' No BREXIT is better than a bad BREXIT '? i have decided to change tack when it comes to the leaving conversations.... i am not going to point out the consequences of leaving anymore... i am going to let the realities of what the hard brexit will do dawn on them for themselves.... and then the best messengers are going to be those that have the "epithany" they won't ever admit it mind... but we will know!!!
No, they will just slowly go UNLOS as the reality dawns on them. What happened to CandM4U? Or the Scottish oil guy? Plenty of brexiters have slowly slinked off.
Because a lot of us just got bored shitless answering the same old same old same old project fear shit that was regurgitated by the same old same old same old suspects day in day out.
For future threads maybe they should consider earthquakes, pestilence, plague, volcanic eruptions, fire & brimstone Etc Etc.
Come on you remoaners there are only a few months left. You need to up your game a bit to get all of those in.
BTW. You can forget that the EU will ban the Grand National.
It's already been done.
........... says the person living in "germany and spain"
its a lot easier shouting at someone else to jump!"To (almost) quote a famous American. It's one small step for Britain, one giant leap for us (and there are lots of us) who want to see this United States of Europe nonsense put to bed for good. | |||
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"Exactly this. Brexit was orchestrated by the ultra rich specifically to furether exploit poor people. In that respect they have been extremely sussessful, As evidenced by this guy who is still arguing, after all the overwhelming facts and evidence, that Brexit will some how be beneficial to working class people. Overwhelming facts and evidence? I have yet to hear any of this. It’s all a load of bollocks dressed up as facts in order to scare those who have trouble thinking for themselves. I underlined why I believe that BREXIT will not hurt working class people and families in particular. All I get back is same old yadda yadda rhetoric from same old remoaners. you call it "yadda yadda yadda" ... let me pick you up on one of the most ridicoulous things you said in the last post.... "People who are scraping by on the minimum wage, who have to go to work on the bus, and who will be working till they either croke it or until they are 75, will probably be better off. The big companies will continue to employ them, as the weaker pound will actually make their wages cheaper. Social housing rent, food prices, council tax deductions etc will all remain as affordable as they are now, as they will all need to sell the same amount and raise the same money" all sorts of "wrong" in this paragraph alone... just just to point out where you lost credibility... 1) the weaker pound stuff...... you seem to be forgetting that for and benefit exporters would get in a weekend pound would be negated and cancelled out the WTO tariffs you would have put on to those products you want in your hard brexit 2) food prices.... no, just no!!! anything imported would go up in price due to tariffs and that weaker pound you laude over!!!!! 3) social housing costs... here is a quickie... electricity, gas, oil....they are prices in US dollars... which means if the pound is weaker, we are going to be paying more!!! you pound in your pocket is not going to go as far as it does full stop!!! is as you say, you run a business... i really wonder how you stay afloat!!!" Firstly a weaker pound benefits exporters, but more importantly manufacturers. So more jobs in the manufacturing industry. Imported food will go down in price just like everything else. It will have to, as the supermarkets will still have to sell the stuff. Too much is getting thrown away as it is, something I will bring up in another thread when I get the time. By social housing costs, I should have been more specific. I meant social housing rent, which has actually gone down recently, well mine has, that is certain. As for utility bills, the many different providers will have to cut costs as they compete against each other. Fossil fuel will become less significant over time, and that is a good thing. As for my saying I run a business, when? I have already said I work in a Cash & Carry Mr Grooverider... | |||
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" Come on you remoaners there are only a few months left. You need to up your game a bit to get all of those in. BTW. You can forget that the EU will ban the Grand National. It's already been done.
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its a lot easier shouting at someone else to jump!
To (almost) quote a famous American.
It's one small step for Britain, one giant leap for us (and there are lots of us) who want to see this United States of Europe nonsense put to bed for good."you forget the UK has so many opt-outs a "united states of europe" was never going to happen"... again... i said it easy for someone in "germany and spain" to shout "jump" at someone else standing on the edge..... I absolutely stand by that! farage shouts jump... but gets a german passport, and a EU pension lawson shouts jump... but then applies for french residency... 2 of the richest men in the UK shout jump... but then decide to leave for monaco rees-mogg shouts jump.... but the company he owns 20% of and takes a wage from whilst also working in parliament, decide to open a "dublin arm" to cover themselves from any potential losses.. | |||
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"Firstly a weaker pound benefits exporters, but more importantly manufacturers. So more jobs in the manufacturing industry." so lets try this slowly... if everyone is playing by the WTO they will have to apply on goods... at the moment your "good" is costing £100 if for example your cost have gone up because a tariff is being applied.... and that same good now costs lets say £120.... why should "company a" now buy from the uk? only the price for buying from the uk would have gone up... no one elses!!! "Imported food will go down in price just like everything else. It will have to, as the supermarkets will still have to sell the stuff. Too much is getting thrown away as it is, something I will bring up in another thread when I get the time." imported food will go up because of your weaker pound!!!! because it has cost more to produce in UK terms!!!! and then because we will then be apply a bloody tariff on it!!!! all that supply demand means is that people may buy less... not that the actual price of product will come down.... take for example... orange juice! orange juice is priced in us dollars... so your weaker pound has made that more expensive... then add tariff on top.... supermarkets aren't going to swallow the increased they will pass them on!!! "By social housing costs, I should have been more specific. I meant social housing rent, which has actually gone down recently, well mine has, that is certain. As for utility bills, the many different providers will have to cut costs as they compete against each other. Fossil fuel will become less significant over time, and that is a good thing." god no.... as you may have seen in the last couple of weeks energy surpliers are beginning to increase prices again... why... because they price has gone up and the pound is weaker!!!! "As for my saying I run a business, when? I have already said I work in a Cash & Carry Mr Grooverider..." well if you work in cash an carry then i would start looking up the import regulations booklet.... its going to be a hum-dinger for you!!! | |||
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"Those who are panicking the most about the financial “consequences” of BREXIT, are the ones who have either never been poor, or have been riding the EU gravy train and think they should be able to hold the rest of us to ransom. People who are scraping by on the minimum wage, who have to go to work on the bus, and who will be working till they either croke it or until they are 75, will probably be better off. The big companies will continue to employ them, as the weaker pound will actually make their wages cheaper. Social housing rent, food prices, council tax deductions etc will all remain as affordable as they are now, as they will all need to sell the same amount and raise the same money. Real working class people will be fine, either nothing will change, or things will start looking better. As for political persuasions, none of LibLabCon represent the real working class in this country. Even comrade Corbyn has stopped pretending and is looking for the student vote. If the govt reneg on BREXIT, there will be a backlash like never seen before. Snooty fucking guardian reading, finger wagging liberals do not speak for us, only for themselves. This country was built by poor people who worked their bollocks off. We still exist, and we will take it back." Who is this 'us' you claim to speak for? And by what mandate do you claim to speak for them? | |||
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"seriously... sometimes it is better to not speak and leave some doubt... than to open it and have everything you have confirmed... in this case that you have no clue..... Firstly a weaker pound benefits exporters, but more importantly manufacturers. So more jobs in the manufacturing industry. so lets try this slowly... if everyone is playing by the WTO they will have to apply on goods... at the moment your "good" is costing £100 if for example your cost have gone up because a tariff is being applied.... and that same good now costs lets say £120.... why should "company a" now buy from the uk? only the price for buying from the uk would have gone up... no one elses!!! Imported food will go down in price just like everything else. It will have to, as the supermarkets will still have to sell the stuff. Too much is getting thrown away as it is, something I will bring up in another thread when I get the time. imported food will go up because of your weaker pound!!!! because it has cost more to produce in UK terms!!!! and then because we will then be apply a bloody tariff on it!!!! all that supply demand means is that people may buy less... not that the actual price of product will come down.... take for example... orange juice! orange juice is priced in us dollars... so your weaker pound has made that more expensive... then add tariff on top.... supermarkets aren't going to swallow the increased they will pass them on!!! By social housing costs, I should have been more specific. I meant social housing rent, which has actually gone down recently, well mine has, that is certain. As for utility bills, the many different providers will have to cut costs as they compete against each other. Fossil fuel will become less significant over time, and that is a good thing. god no.... as you may have seen in the last couple of weeks energy surpliers are beginning to increase prices again... why... because they price has gone up and the pound is weaker!!!! As for my saying I run a business, when? I have already said I work in a Cash & Carry Mr Grooverider... well if you work in cash an carry then i would start looking up the import regulations booklet.... its going to be a hum-dinger for you!!!" All if buts and why nots, my employer is not making any different plans for BREXIT whatsoever. The wholesale business is doing better this year than it did last year. A lot more going out on delivery and ordered online, but that is progress. | |||
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"Those who are panicking the most about the financial “consequences” of BREXIT, are the ones who have either never been poor, or have been riding the EU gravy train and think they should be able to hold the rest of us to ransom. People who are scraping by on the minimum wage, who have to go to work on the bus, and who will be working till they either croke it or until they are 75, will probably be better off. The big companies will continue to employ them, as the weaker pound will actually make their wages cheaper. Social housing rent, food prices, council tax deductions etc will all remain as affordable as they are now, as they will all need to sell the same amount and raise the same money. Real working class people will be fine, either nothing will change, or things will start looking better. As for political persuasions, none of LibLabCon represent the real working class in this country. Even comrade Corbyn has stopped pretending and is looking for the student vote. If the govt reneg on BREXIT, there will be a backlash like never seen before. Snooty fucking guardian reading, finger wagging liberals do not speak for us, only for themselves. This country was built by poor people who worked their bollocks off. We still exist, and we will take it back. Who is this 'us' you claim to speak for? And by what mandate do you claim to speak for them?" I’m taking about minimum wage, working class British people. I have no mandate, but will continue to speak as I find and say what I want. | |||
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"If ' No deal is better than a bad deal ' then would it also be fair to say that ' No BREXIT is better than a bad BREXIT '? i have decided to change tack when it comes to the leaving conversations.... i am not going to point out the consequences of leaving anymore... i am going to let the realities of what the hard brexit will do dawn on them for themselves.... and then the best messengers are going to be those that have the "epithany" they won't ever admit it mind... but we will know!!!
No, they will just slowly go UNLOS as the reality dawns on them. What happened to CandM4U? Or the Scottish oil guy? Plenty of brexiters have slowly slinked off.
Because a lot of us just got bored shitless answering the same old same old same old project fear shit that was regurgitated by the same old same old same old suspects day in day out.
For future threads maybe they should consider earthquakes, pestilence, plague, volcanic eruptions, fire & brimstone Etc Etc.
Come on you remoaners there are only a few months left. You need to up your game a bit to get all of those in.
BTW. You can forget that the EU will ban the Grand National.
It's already been done.
........... says the person living in "germany and spain"
its a lot easier shouting at someone else to jump!
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It's one small step for Britain, one giant leap for us (and there are lots of us) who want to see this United States of Europe nonsense put to bed for good."There is no United States of Europe, there never will be a United States of Europe and it's not been on the agenda of anyone woth listening to since 1948. You really need to get up to speed with current affairs. | |||
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" All if buts and why nots, my employer is not making any different plans for BREXIT whatsoever. The wholesale business is doing better this year than it did last year. A lot more going out on delivery and ordered online, but that is progress." thats what you think.... i am willing to asbolutely bet someone higher up than you... or much much higher up than you, if already starting to make plans for what will come along come march 30th 2019!!! be that looking at increase supply line times, or having to stockpile or order stock earlier, to working out what mass of new forms they will need for importing and exporting.... to working out what potential tariffs will need to go on what products... someone is doing something in the background....
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"Those who are panicking the most about the financial “consequences” of BREXIT, are the ones who have either never been poor, or have been riding the EU gravy train and think they should be able to hold the rest of us to ransom. People who are scraping by on the minimum wage, who have to go to work on the bus, and who will be working till they either croke it or until they are 75, will probably be better off. The big companies will continue to employ them, as the weaker pound will actually make their wages cheaper. Social housing rent, food prices, council tax deductions etc will all remain as affordable as they are now, as they will all need to sell the same amount and raise the same money. Real working class people will be fine, either nothing will change, or things will start looking better. As for political persuasions, none of LibLabCon represent the real working class in this country. Even comrade Corbyn has stopped pretending and is looking for the student vote. If the govt reneg on BREXIT, there will be a backlash like never seen before. Snooty fucking guardian reading, finger wagging liberals do not speak for us, only for themselves. This country was built by poor people who worked their bollocks off. We still exist, and we will take it back. Who is this 'us' you claim to speak for? And by what mandate do you claim to speak for them? I’m taking about minimum wage, working class British people. I have no mandate, but will continue to speak as I find and say what I want." Good on you. I respect a person who's willing to stand up for what they believe and put their case forward. It's just extremely unfortunate that, in my opinion, what you're arguing for is more likely to make minimum wage, working class British people, along with the average wage, middle class British people, a lot worse off. | |||
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" All if buts and why nots, my employer is not making any different plans for BREXIT whatsoever. The wholesale business is doing better this year than it did last year. A lot more going out on delivery and ordered online, but that is progress. thats what you think.... i am willing to asbolutely bet someone higher up than you... or much much higher up than you, if already starting to make plans for what will come along come march 30th 2019!!! be that looking at increase supply line times, or having to stockpile or order stock earlier, to working out what mass of new forms they will need for importing and exporting.... to working out what potential tariffs will need to go on what products... someone is doing something in the background....
and if they have their heads in the sand as much as you truely seem to do then god only help them......"Stockpile? We run on one weeks stock and the place is full to bursting. We couldn’t handle anymore than we already get in. As for the amount that ends up in the skips, that is something I find disturbing, but there’s nowt I can do. All I know is that we run to full capacity week in week out. | |||
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"None of us know for sure what is going to happen next week or next year or ever we are all going to have to wait and see. Too much doom and gloom for my liking what ever happens I for one will make the best of it the best way I can end of." no no Fabio always knows what’s going to happen in the future he’s predicted chaos on the streets and the army on the streets I don’t think the average person will notice much change tbh the same shit will still be posted on here | |||
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"None of us know for sure what is going to happen next week or next year or ever we are all going to have to wait and see. Too much doom and gloom for my liking what ever happens I for one will make the best of it the best way I can end of. no no Fabio always knows what’s going to happen in the future he’s predicted chaos on the streets and the army on the streets I don’t think the average person will notice much change tbh the same shit will still be posted on here " He's going to be the next Mystic Meg although there's plenty of others on here who could be in the running for the job! | |||
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"None of us know for sure what is going to happen next week or next year or ever we are all going to have to wait and see. Too much doom and gloom for my liking what ever happens I for one will make the best of it the best way I can end of. no no Fabio always knows what’s going to happen in the future he’s predicted chaos on the streets and the army on the streets I don’t think the average person will notice much change tbh the same shit will still be posted on here " Yeah your right that's the reason I stopped posting too much bulls*it | |||
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"There’s a conviction in this post that things won’t change, which I think goes through many brexit voters thinking. However as all those things which are paid by the state are linked to taxes which are linked to economy, I’m less convinced this is true. Remember, we have state support people are willing to travel thousand of miles to leech off (apparently) so there’s a lot more muscle to cut before we hit bone. Tho I guess without minimum wage laws companies can cut wages rather than jobs ... " The EU are at present trying to stop Switzerland's minimum wage regulations from applying to EU companies, as the min wage in Switzerland is much higher than EU countries. The Swiss brought this law in to stop companies from other countries importing cheap labour, and to protect their own workers rights. The EU want to stop the Swiss using this law, thus enabling EU companies to use their own lesser paid staff to do the same job. There have been 19,200 cases of minimum wage violations in Switzerland by foreign companiesin the last 5 years. This, among other things, is making Swiss/EU framework agreement talks difficult. | |||
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"There’s a conviction in this post that things won’t change, which I think goes through many brexit voters thinking. However as all those things which are paid by the state are linked to taxes which are linked to economy, I’m less convinced this is true. Remember, we have state support people are willing to travel thousand of miles to leech off (apparently) so there’s a lot more muscle to cut before we hit bone. Tho I guess without minimum wage laws companies can cut wages rather than jobs ... The EU are at present trying to stop Switzerland's minimum wage regulations from applying to EU companies, as the min wage in Switzerland is much higher than EU countries. The Swiss brought this law in to stop companies from other countries importing cheap labour, and to protect their own workers rights. The EU want to stop the Swiss using this law, thus enabling EU companies to use their own lesser paid staff to do the same job. There have been 19,200 cases of minimum wage violations in Switzerland by foreign companiesin the last 5 years. This, among other things, is making Swiss/EU framework agreement talks difficult." Probably because Switzerland is so expensive - even the unemployed get well paid! Our Swiss neighbour complains her work pension is only going to be 3,000sf per month - so has to live in France to manage! | |||
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"None of us know for sure what is going to happen next week or next year or ever we are all going to have to wait and see. Too much doom and gloom for my liking what ever happens I for one will make the best of it the best way I can end of. no no Fabio always knows what’s going to happen in the future he’s predicted chaos on the streets and the army on the streets I don’t think the average person will notice much change tbh the same shit will still be posted on here " I agree with "nobody knows what's going to happen in the future" of your statement - but that has to apply to the leave predictions too! | |||
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"THeres another mystic meg lol" see.... attack me... fine.. have at it but i don't see you attack any of the reasoning behind the post... we can have a conversation based on reasoning.... i'm not seeing any! you can put your reasoning of what you think could possibly happen, then we can have a conversation...... so lets have a conversation | |||
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"THeres another mystic meg lol see.... attack me... fine.. have at it but i don't see you attack any of the reasoning behind the post... we can have a conversation based on reasoning.... i'm not seeing any! you can put your reasoning of what you think could possibly happen, then we can have a conversation...... so lets have a conversation" I note your use of "think could possibly happen" best to wait and see rather than making wild guesses, it will save a lot of people getting egg on their faces. | |||
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"THeres another mystic meg lol see.... attack me... fine.. have at it but i don't see you attack any of the reasoning behind the post... we can have a conversation based on reasoning.... i'm not seeing any! you can put your reasoning of what you think could possibly happen, then we can have a conversation...... so lets have a conversation" Fabio I’m not attacking you you talk a lot of sense most times iv just noticed as March draws closer there’s a lot of doom and gloom more than before ppl getting excited it’s just same shit diffrent day on here now no one not you me anyone realy as a clue how it’s going to pan out don’t see the sense in stating worse case that’s what happened before the vote and look what happened there | |||
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"so you may mock, laugh, and disregard as much as you want.... i am not going to stand around and purposely make my life poorer, the people around me poorer and people in general poorer... so if mocking me makes you feel better... i am glad it does!!!" so if yr not going to stand around and make yrself poorer what are you going to do then how are you going to make yrself richer ? | |||
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"so if you want to know another aspect of the no deal brexit.... and what it means to a lot of people, there is a brilliant person on twitter called jason hunter.... he is an actual international trade negoiator, but he also goes thru a lot of the consequences of brexit you may not know about.... so i am copy this word for word.... this is the one such project "Probably one of my fave EU projects is called PEACE. Its is a cross-border programme covering Northern Ireland and the six border counties of Ireland, was launched in 1995 as a result of the EU’s desire to respond positively to new opportunities in the Northern Ireland peace process. Since 1995, three phases have been completed with funding from both EU and national governments: PEACE I (1995-99) (€667m); PEACE II (2000-06) (€995m); and PEACE III (2007-13) (€333m). PEACE IV will run from 2014-20, with EU funding of roughly €200m. While PEACE I focused on addressing the immediate legacy of conflict, PEACE II and PEACE III focused on community reconciliation and economic development. According to NI Statistic and Research Agency (NISRA),there were 868,420 participants in PEACE II, participating in cross-border activities and reconciliation projects as well as training and development activities. One hundred thousand, seven hundred and sixty-seven people gained qualifications as a result of the programme and 77,652 entered or progressed in employment, education and training. Examples of projects include the Creggan Micro Enterprise Centre in Londonderry, which transformed a redundant factory in a community faced with multiple disadvantage and deprivation into a business development centre that now houses three micro-enterprises and has helped 20 unemployed people into employment. There is also Project Kelvin, a high-speed underwater cable that provides very fast and direct communications link from eight Northern Ireland locations and five Republic of Ireland locations to North America. The Centre for Cross Border Studies has described the PEACE programme as ‘an exemplary case for the objective of the reduction of social and economic disparities between European Regions; its exposure to these sources of European funding has proved pivotal in addressing its particular social and economic needs’. And it's called the PEACE PROGRAM FOLKS.... THE PEACE PROGRAMME and Brexiteers want OUT??? " These peace programs appear to be mostly finished! Pretty sure the government could finish funding the last one if it was worth it! So no need for all the drama. | |||
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"so you may mock, laugh, and disregard as much as you want.... i am not going to stand around and purposely make my life poorer, the people around me poorer and people in general poorer... so if mocking me makes you feel better... i am glad it does!!! so if yr not going to stand around and make yrself poorer what are you going to do then how are you going to make yrself richer ?" Posting on here probably gets him a bit of attention in an otherwise dull life! | |||
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"so you may mock, laugh, and disregard as much as you want.... i am not going to stand around and purposely make my life poorer, the people around me poorer and people in general poorer... so if mocking me makes you feel better... i am glad it does!!! so if yr not going to stand around and make yrself poorer what are you going to do then how are you going to make yrself richer ? Posting on here probably gets him a bit of attention in an otherwise dull life! "so pithy, so childish, so condescending... so if thats what you were going for, well done!!! 3 out of 3!!! again.... do you want to keep attacking me as a poster... or do you want an actual conversation? which??? any economist will tell you that "hope" is not a strategy, sticking your head in the sand and pretending not one bad thing will happen is not a strategy..... so please , tell me, whats the strategy? | |||
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"I think if you want to predict the outcome of whether or not brexit is feasible, ask your self one question and answer it honestly, Given what you know and understand about brexit so far, would vote stay or leave should there be a second referendum?" The Leavers on here will. Leavers who think that Brexit is a historic mistake will vote leave again when asked. Go figure. | |||
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"Don't pretend that there is a logical economic argument for Leaving if at the point of aski.g you change the subject or start mocking or abusing the questioner. It's all very well accusing people of being negative but if all Leavers have to say is don't be so negative then there is very little to be jolly about. I don't see why we have to "cope" or "deal with the consequences" if it's a purely voluntary decision. Why post here if you don't like the negativity? Start a happy thread listing the certain benefits of Brexit "Coming from a man who likes to show how superior he his and has mocked people on many occassions I will take that with a pinch of salt! | |||
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"so you may mock, laugh, and disregard as much as you want.... i am not going to stand around and purposely make my life poorer, the people around me poorer and people in general poorer... so if mocking me makes you feel better... i am glad it does!!! so if yr not going to stand around and make yrself poorer what are you going to do then how are you going to make yrself richer ? Posting on here probably gets him a bit of attention in an otherwise dull life!
so pithy, so childish, so condescending... so if thats what you were going for, well done!!! 3 out of 3!!!
again.... do you want to keep attacking me as a poster... or do you want an actual conversation? which???
any economist will tell you that "hope" is not a strategy, sticking your head in the sand and pretending not one bad thing will happen is not a strategy..... so please , tell me, whats the strategy?"As I said lets wait and see what happens, I'm not in to making wild predictions! Others are happy to do so but not me! | |||
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"THeres another mystic meg lol see.... attack me... fine.. have at it but i don't see you attack any of the reasoning behind the post... we can have a conversation based on reasoning.... i'm not seeing any! you can put your reasoning of what you think could possibly happen, then we can have a conversation...... so lets have a conversation Fabio I’m not attacking you you talk a lot of sense most times iv just noticed as March draws closer there’s a lot of doom and gloom more than before ppl getting excited it’s just same shit diffrent day on here now no one not you me anyone realy as a clue how it’s going to pan out don’t see the sense in stating worse case that’s what happened before the vote and look what happened there " I agree that it is not helpful to always look at the worst possible outcome. Equally, neither is looking at the best possible one. It will be somewhere in between, but from what I see it is more likely that we will all be worse off in terms of finance and "control" of our destiny as a country in the short, medium and even near long term. The fact that most Leavers absolutely will not even entertain any negative consequences of Brexit or any positives of EU membership makes the stories of a bright future very difficult to credit. | |||
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"I truly agree with you on bright side of the the independent Britain from EU. What we are lacking is the convincing reasons for these benefits. Everyone so far seems to be cold feet about the benefits and what they are. Not a single economist nor politician, including organisations seem to know the direction of an EU independent Britain. Whatever the out come, we rally behind the government that will take on this challenge and hope we will realise the benefits. " Rallying behind the government implies that the Tories have the interests of the people in mind. I would suggest that this is a false assumption and that they are doing everything they can to make the rich richer at the expense of everyone else. | |||
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"so you may mock, laugh, and disregard as much as you want.... i am not going to stand around and purposely make my life poorer, the people around me poorer and people in general poorer... so if mocking me makes you feel better... i am glad it does!!! so if yr not going to stand around and make yrself poorer what are you going to do then how are you going to make yrself richer ? Posting on here probably gets him a bit of attention in an otherwise dull life!
so pithy, so childish, so condescending... so if thats what you were going for, well done!!! 3 out of 3!!!
again.... do you want to keep attacking me as a poster... or do you want an actual conversation? which???
any economist will tell you that "hope" is not a strategy, sticking your head in the sand and pretending not one bad thing will happen is not a strategy..... so please , tell me, whats the strategy?"Are you an economist? No I thought not! My strategy would be as worthless as yours seen as neither of us are taking part in the negotiations! I will leave the sand to the ostriches, not too keen on sand in my mouth! | |||
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"Yes you are correct about the richer. Most of whom have benefited and made their wealth by exploiting EU." Indeed, they have been riding the EU gravy train for decades, and their greed knows no boundaries. I sincerely hope that they come down from all this with a mighty thud. But the most likely scenario is that they will have stashed their money and will be allowed to continue in that shite fest indefinitely. | |||
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"They have stashed away their riches, and now cannot keep up with the trade competition a well devolved EU has pulled out, hence the panic exit button to save their wicked ways "The EU is a house of cards. We withdraw ours and the rest are non too steady. In less than five years we will be talking about it in a past tense. The east will finish the job. Europe will survive without their bloody cash cow draining it. A lot of British politicians will be crying into their silken napkins, as they are going to lose big time. :D | |||
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"Yes you are correct about the richer. Most of whom have benefited and made their wealth by exploiting EU." And will now make it from exploring a non EU UK, amirite? | |||
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"Those who are panicking the most about the financial “consequences” of BREXIT, are the ones who have either never been poor, or have been riding the EU gravy train and think they should be able to hold the rest of us to ransom. People who are scraping by on the minimum wage, who have to go to work on the bus, and who will be working till they either croke it or until they are 75, will probably be better off. The big companies will continue to employ them, as the weaker pound will actually make their wages cheaper. Social housing rent, food prices, council tax deductions etc will all remain as affordable as they are now, as they will all need to sell the same amount and raise the same money. Real working class people will be fine, either nothing will change, or things will start looking better. As for political persuasions, none of LibLabCon represent the real working class in this country. Even comrade Corbyn has stopped pretending and is looking for the student vote. If the govt reneg on BREXIT, there will be a backlash like never seen before. Snooty fucking guardian reading, finger wagging liberals do not speak for us, only for themselves. This country was built by poor people who worked their bollocks off. We still exist, and we will take it back." An interesting read that's big on opinion but almost devoid of evidence, though you added some of your understanding of why things like rent etc will remain as 'affordable' as they are now. UK businesses will have to contend with potentially higher overheads, imports and exports subject to more bureaucracy, delays and costs - not to mention currency instabilities. Someone has to shoulder those costs, especially if UK prices are to remain stable. Sources for your evidence of how such a rosy future exists post-Brexit are needed, otherwise it holds the same credibility level as fairy tales. That is unless you had meant to post in the Stories and Fantasies forum, not Politics. | |||
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"Those who are panicking the most about the financial “consequences” of BREXIT, are the ones who have either never been poor, or have been riding the EU gravy train and think they should be able to hold the rest of us to ransom. People who are scraping by on the minimum wage, who have to go to work on the bus, and who will be working till they either croke it or until they are 75, will probably be better off. The big companies will continue to employ them, as the weaker pound will actually make their wages cheaper. Social housing rent, food prices, council tax deductions etc will all remain as affordable as they are now, as they will all need to sell the same amount and raise the same money. Real working class people will be fine, either nothing will change, or things will start looking better. As for political persuasions, none of LibLabCon represent the real working class in this country. Even comrade Corbyn has stopped pretending and is looking for the student vote. If the govt reneg on BREXIT, there will be a backlash like never seen before. Snooty fucking guardian reading, finger wagging liberals do not speak for us, only for themselves. This country was built by poor people who worked their bollocks off. We still exist, and we will take it back. An interesting read that's big on opinion but almost devoid of evidence, though you added some of your understanding of why things like rent etc will remain as 'affordable' as they are now. UK businesses will have to contend with potentially higher overheads, imports and exports subject to more bureaucracy, delays and costs - not to mention currency instabilities. Someone has to shoulder those costs, especially if UK prices are to remain stable. Sources for your evidence of how such a rosy future exists post-Brexit are needed, otherwise it holds the same credibility level as fairy tales. That is unless you had meant to post in the Stories and Fantasies forum, not Politics. " It is not fanaticising to believe that food prices will come down. I have had to throw so much decent food into the skip every working day. They will have to lower prices to stay in business. Price rises in tobacco products aside, if one shop drops its prices, others will have to follow suit in order to compete. The fact that our high streets are so empty are proof that businesses are no longer willing to pay huge overheads, and have moved to less expensive out of town locations. The only rent prices I mentioned were those of public housing. I know from personal experience that those prices are slowly coming down. I do not predict the “existence of a rosey future.” But I do believe we will be heading in the right direction. Govt will still try to turn the screw, but businesses will evolve. 60 odd million people is too big a market to price themselves out of. I’m no economist, but I don’t have to be, it’s hardly rocket science ffs! | |||
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"Those who are panicking the most about the financial “consequences” of BREXIT, are the ones who have either never been poor, or have been riding the EU gravy train and think they should be able to hold the rest of us to ransom. People who are scraping by on the minimum wage, who have to go to work on the bus, and who will be working till they either croke it or until they are 75, will probably be better off. The big companies will continue to employ them, as the weaker pound will actually make their wages cheaper. Social housing rent, food prices, council tax deductions etc will all remain as affordable as they are now, as they will all need to sell the same amount and raise the same money. Real working class people will be fine, either nothing will change, or things will start looking better. As for political persuasions, none of LibLabCon represent the real working class in this country. Even comrade Corbyn has stopped pretending and is looking for the student vote. If the govt reneg on BREXIT, there will be a backlash like never seen before. Snooty fucking guardian reading, finger wagging liberals do not speak for us, only for themselves. This country was built by poor people who worked their bollocks off. We still exist, and we will take it back. An interesting read that's big on opinion but almost devoid of evidence, though you added some of your understanding of why things like rent etc will remain as 'affordable' as they are now. UK businesses will have to contend with potentially higher overheads, imports and exports subject to more bureaucracy, delays and costs - not to mention currency instabilities. Someone has to shoulder those costs, especially if UK prices are to remain stable. Sources for your evidence of how such a rosy future exists post-Brexit are needed, otherwise it holds the same credibility level as fairy tales. That is unless you had meant to post in the Stories and Fantasies forum, not Politics. It is not fanaticising to believe that food prices will come down. I have had to throw so much decent food into the skip every working day. They will have to lower prices to stay in business. Price rises in tobacco products aside, if one shop drops its prices, others will have to follow suit in order to compete. The fact that our high streets are so empty are proof that businesses are no longer willing to pay huge overheads, and have moved to less expensive out of town locations. The only rent prices I mentioned were those of public housing. I know from personal experience that those prices are slowly coming down. I do not predict the “existence of a rosey future.” But I do believe we will be heading in the right direction. Govt will still try to turn the screw, but businesses will evolve. 60 odd million people is too big a market to price themselves out of. I’m no economist, but I don’t have to be, it’s hardly rocket science ffs!" When you say food price will come down , What foods do you mean ? Milk , beef , fish ??? And second if prices drop do you expect the current standards of food cheaper or do you mean you will buy meat that's hormone treated cheaper? | |||
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"Food prices won't be going down. Britain only produces 20%of its food. The rest import. " That's what I was thinking , But people promoting brexit seam to think differently , | |||
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"There will be no brexit. So be rest assured. " I've been trying to tell BREXITers that since December, when regulatory alignment was agreed, but some still haven't realised it yet. But then IMHO if they were half as smart as they think they are they'd have never voted for BREXIT in the first place. | |||
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"THeres another mystic meg lol see.... attack me... fine.. have at it but i don't see you attack any of the reasoning behind the post... we can have a conversation based on reasoning.... i'm not seeing any! you can put your reasoning of what you think could possibly happen, then we can have a conversation...... so lets have a conversation" Seriously. After two years you still expect BREXITers to put forward reasoned argument for what's likely to happen or how it's going to work? With the notable exceptions of Kentor-RU and that couple who live in Germany and Spain none of them have even tried. Not just here either but anywhere. And they wonder why more and more people are loosing faith in the whole BREXIT project. | |||
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"I truly agree with you on bright side of the the independent Britain from EU. What we are lacking is the convincing reasons for these benefits. Everyone so far seems to be cold feet about the benefits and what they are. Not a single economist nor politician, including organisations seem to know the direction of an EU independent Britain. Whatever the out come, we rally behind the government that will take on this challenge and hope we will realise the benefits. Rallying behind the government implies that the Tories have the interests of the people in mind. I would suggest that this is a false assumption and that they are doing everything they can to make the rich richer at the expense of everyone else." To be frank I honestly don't think that BREXIT will make anybody richer, including most of the already rich. Unfortunately, currently, Labour is still supporting BREXIT also. So, while it's fair to say that the [Tory] government is making a bad job of BREXIT so far, it's also fair to say that the [Labour] opposition is making a pretty poor job of it too. There are 40+ Conservative MPs who are willing to vote against BREXIT. If the Labour leadership really wanted to stop BREXIT it could have by now. You have to ask why they haven't. | |||
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"If it's the case of brexit issue that is so disturbing for the Tories, Teresa may would not last in power. There leadership thirsty and motivated people in this party. However, no one wants to come to table and take on Teresa May due to brexit. " And Jeremy & John see the consequences of BREXIT as their best chance of destroying the Conservative party electorally possible for ever but definitely for a generation. But is the damage that's going to be done really worth it? Is Labour really doing what it believes to be in the best national interest or is it doing what it believes is in Labour's best interests? | |||
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"There’s a conviction in this post that things won’t change, which I think goes through many brexit voters thinking. However as all those things which are paid by the state are linked to taxes which are linked to economy, I’m less convinced this is true. Remember, we have state support people are willing to travel thousand of miles to leech off (apparently) so there’s a lot more muscle to cut before we hit bone. Tho I guess without minimum wage laws companies can cut wages rather than jobs ... The EU are at present trying to stop Switzerland's minimum wage regulations from applying to EU companies, as the min wage in Switzerland is much higher than EU countries. The Swiss brought this law in to stop companies from other countries importing cheap labour, and to protect their own workers rights. The EU want to stop the Swiss using this law, thus enabling EU companies to use their own lesser paid staff to do the same job. There have been 19,200 cases of minimum wage violations in Switzerland by foreign companiesin the last 5 years. This, among other things, is making Swiss/EU framework agreement talks difficult. Probably because Switzerland is so expensive - even the unemployed get well paid! Our Swiss neighbour complains her work pension is only going to be 3,000sf per month - so has to live in France to manage! " Not particularly protecting workers rights though, is it? | |||
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"seriously... sometimes it is better to not speak and leave some doubt... than to open it and have everything you have confirmed... in this case that you have no clue..... Firstly a weaker pound benefits exporters, but more importantly manufacturers. So more jobs in the manufacturing industry. so lets try this slowly... if everyone is playing by the WTO they will have to apply on goods... at the moment your "good" is costing £100 if for example your cost have gone up because a tariff is being applied.... and that same good now costs lets say £120.... why should "company a" now buy from the uk? only the price for buying from the uk would have gone up... no one elses!!! Imported food will go down in price just like everything else. It will have to, as the supermarkets will still have to sell the stuff. Too much is getting thrown away as it is, something I will bring up in another thread when I get the time. imported food will go up because of your weaker pound!!!! because it has cost more to produce in UK terms!!!! and then because we will then be apply a bloody tariff on it!!!! all that supply demand means is that people may buy less... not that the actual price of product will come down.... take for example... orange juice! orange juice is priced in us dollars... so your weaker pound has made that more expensive... then add tariff on top.... supermarkets aren't going to swallow the increased they will pass them on!!! By social housing costs, I should have been more specific. I meant social housing rent, which has actually gone down recently, well mine has, that is certain. As for utility bills, the many different providers will have to cut costs as they compete against each other. Fossil fuel will become less significant over time, and that is a good thing. god no.... as you may have seen in the last couple of weeks energy surpliers are beginning to increase prices again... why... because they price has gone up and the pound is weaker!!!! As for my saying I run a business, when? I have already said I work in a Cash & Carry Mr Grooverider... well if you work in cash an carry then i would start looking up the import regulations booklet.... its going to be a hum-dinger for you!!!" The EU's external tariff barrier makes food from outside of the EU coming in 17% more expensive than it should be. That orange juice you mentioned, if it comes from the USA to the UK would be 17% more expensive as a member of the EU. A dropping of that tariff would see food prices in the UK reduced not increased. Bilateral free trade deals the UK does with other countries (like usa) after Brexit would see the tariff removed. | |||
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"seriously... sometimes it is better to not speak and leave some doubt... than to open it and have everything you have confirmed... in this case that you have no clue..... Firstly a weaker pound benefits exporters, but more importantly manufacturers. So more jobs in the manufacturing industry. so lets try this slowly... if everyone is playing by the WTO they will have to apply on goods... at the moment your "good" is costing £100 if for example your cost have gone up because a tariff is being applied.... and that same good now costs lets say £120.... why should "company a" now buy from the uk? only the price for buying from the uk would have gone up... no one elses!!! Imported food will go down in price just like everything else. It will have to, as the supermarkets will still have to sell the stuff. Too much is getting thrown away as it is, something I will bring up in another thread when I get the time. imported food will go up because of your weaker pound!!!! because it has cost more to produce in UK terms!!!! and then because we will then be apply a bloody tariff on it!!!! all that supply demand means is that people may buy less... not that the actual price of product will come down.... take for example... orange juice! orange juice is priced in us dollars... so your weaker pound has made that more expensive... then add tariff on top.... supermarkets aren't going to swallow the increased they will pass them on!!! By social housing costs, I should have been more specific. I meant social housing rent, which has actually gone down recently, well mine has, that is certain. As for utility bills, the many different providers will have to cut costs as they compete against each other. Fossil fuel will become less significant over time, and that is a good thing. god no.... as you may have seen in the last couple of weeks energy surpliers are beginning to increase prices again... why... because they price has gone up and the pound is weaker!!!! As for my saying I run a business, when? I have already said I work in a Cash & Carry Mr Grooverider... well if you work in cash an carry then i would start looking up the import regulations booklet.... its going to be a hum-dinger for you!!! The EU's external tariff barrier makes food from outside of the EU coming in 17% more expensive than it should be. That orange juice you mentioned, if it comes from the USA to the UK would be 17% more expensive as a member of the EU. A dropping of that tariff would see food prices in the UK reduced not increased. Bilateral free trade deals the UK does with other countries (like usa) after Brexit would see the tariff removed. " removing a tariff of 17% ant much help when the value of the pound has fallen by as much , the value of the pound falling is wiping out any potential savings you might have made | |||
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" The EU's external tariff barrier makes food from outside of the EU coming in 17% more expensive than it should be. That orange juice you mentioned, if it comes from the USA to the UK would be 17% more expensive as a member of the EU. A dropping of that tariff would see food prices in the UK reduced not increased. Bilateral free trade deals the UK does with other countries (like usa) after Brexit would see the tariff removed. " and if you remove food tariffs whilst everyone else is playing by WTO rules, you will destroy the UK agri-food industry (farming and fishing and plants to you and me)..... but don't take my word for that... take patrick minford's!!! I know you like to quote him and "economists for brexit" a lot... those are his words!!! | |||
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"seriously... sometimes it is better to not speak and leave some doubt... than to open it and have everything you have confirmed... in this case that you have no clue..... Firstly a weaker pound benefits exporters, but more importantly manufacturers. So more jobs in the manufacturing industry. so lets try this slowly... if everyone is playing by the WTO they will have to apply on goods... at the moment your "good" is costing £100 if for example your cost have gone up because a tariff is being applied.... and that same good now costs lets say £120.... why should "company a" now buy from the uk? only the price for buying from the uk would have gone up... no one elses!!! Imported food will go down in price just like everything else. It will have to, as the supermarkets will still have to sell the stuff. Too much is getting thrown away as it is, something I will bring up in another thread when I get the time. imported food will go up because of your weaker pound!!!! because it has cost more to produce in UK terms!!!! and then because we will then be apply a bloody tariff on it!!!! all that supply demand means is that people may buy less... not that the actual price of product will come down.... take for example... orange juice! orange juice is priced in us dollars... so your weaker pound has made that more expensive... then add tariff on top.... supermarkets aren't going to swallow the increased they will pass them on!!! By social housing costs, I should have been more specific. I meant social housing rent, which has actually gone down recently, well mine has, that is certain. As for utility bills, the many different providers will have to cut costs as they compete against each other. Fossil fuel will become less significant over time, and that is a good thing. god no.... as you may have seen in the last couple of weeks energy surpliers are beginning to increase prices again... why... because they price has gone up and the pound is weaker!!!! As for my saying I run a business, when? I have already said I work in a Cash & Carry Mr Grooverider... well if you work in cash an carry then i would start looking up the import regulations booklet.... its going to be a hum-dinger for you!!! The EU's external tariff barrier makes food from outside of the EU coming in 17% more expensive than it should be. That orange juice you mentioned, if it comes from the USA to the UK would be 17% more expensive as a member of the EU. A dropping of that tariff would see food prices in the UK reduced not increased. Bilateral free trade deals the UK does with other countries (like usa) after Brexit would see the tariff removed. removing a tariff of 17% ant much help when the value of the pound has fallen by as much , the value of the pound falling is wiping out any potential savings you might have made " With trade agreements comes regulatory alignment. We accept whatever chlorine washed, antibiotic, hormone and fish fed meat and transgenetic what and maize that they choose to dump on us. We wil also give them "access" to our health "market" and whatever else they choose. Why? Because America speaks the same language as us so are obviously our friends | |||
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"seriously... sometimes it is better to not speak and leave some doubt... than to open it and have everything you have confirmed... in this case that you have no clue..... Firstly a weaker pound benefits exporters, but more importantly manufacturers. So more jobs in the manufacturing industry. so lets try this slowly... if everyone is playing by the WTO they will have to apply on goods... at the moment your "good" is costing £100 if for example your cost have gone up because a tariff is being applied.... and that same good now costs lets say £120.... why should "company a" now buy from the uk? only the price for buying from the uk would have gone up... no one elses!!! Imported food will go down in price just like everything else. It will have to, as the supermarkets will still have to sell the stuff. Too much is getting thrown away as it is, something I will bring up in another thread when I get the time. imported food will go up because of your weaker pound!!!! because it has cost more to produce in UK terms!!!! and then because we will then be apply a bloody tariff on it!!!! all that supply demand means is that people may buy less... not that the actual price of product will come down.... take for example... orange juice! orange juice is priced in us dollars... so your weaker pound has made that more expensive... then add tariff on top.... supermarkets aren't going to swallow the increased they will pass them on!!! By social housing costs, I should have been more specific. I meant social housing rent, which has actually gone down recently, well mine has, that is certain. As for utility bills, the many different providers will have to cut costs as they compete against each other. Fossil fuel will become less significant over time, and that is a good thing. god no.... as you may have seen in the last couple of weeks energy surpliers are beginning to increase prices again... why... because they price has gone up and the pound is weaker!!!! As for my saying I run a business, when? I have already said I work in a Cash & Carry Mr Grooverider... well if you work in cash an carry then i would start looking up the import regulations booklet.... its going to be a hum-dinger for you!!! The EU's external tariff barrier makes food from outside of the EU coming in 17% more expensive than it should be. That orange juice you mentioned, if it comes from the USA to the UK would be 17% more expensive as a member of the EU. A dropping of that tariff would see food prices in the UK reduced not increased. Bilateral free trade deals the UK does with other countries (like usa) after Brexit would see the tariff removed. removing a tariff of 17% ant much help when the value of the pound has fallen by as much , the value of the pound falling is wiping out any potential savings you might have made " 6 months before the referendum, the IMF, the BoE and the OECD were all saying the pound needed to reduce in value by 20%. | |||
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"seriously... sometimes it is better to not speak and leave some doubt... than to open it and have everything you have confirmed... in this case that you have no clue..... Firstly a weaker pound benefits exporters, but more importantly manufacturers. So more jobs in the manufacturing industry. so lets try this slowly... if everyone is playing by the WTO they will have to apply on goods... at the moment your "good" is costing £100 if for example your cost have gone up because a tariff is being applied.... and that same good now costs lets say £120.... why should "company a" now buy from the uk? only the price for buying from the uk would have gone up... no one elses!!! Imported food will go down in price just like everything else. It will have to, as the supermarkets will still have to sell the stuff. Too much is getting thrown away as it is, something I will bring up in another thread when I get the time. imported food will go up because of your weaker pound!!!! because it has cost more to produce in UK terms!!!! and then because we will then be apply a bloody tariff on it!!!! all that supply demand means is that people may buy less... not that the actual price of product will come down.... take for example... orange juice! orange juice is priced in us dollars... so your weaker pound has made that more expensive... then add tariff on top.... supermarkets aren't going to swallow the increased they will pass them on!!! By social housing costs, I should have been more specific. I meant social housing rent, which has actually gone down recently, well mine has, that is certain. As for utility bills, the many different providers will have to cut costs as they compete against each other. Fossil fuel will become less significant over time, and that is a good thing. god no.... as you may have seen in the last couple of weeks energy surpliers are beginning to increase prices again... why... because they price has gone up and the pound is weaker!!!! As for my saying I run a business, when? I have already said I work in a Cash & Carry Mr Grooverider... well if you work in cash an carry then i would start looking up the import regulations booklet.... its going to be a hum-dinger for you!!! The EU's external tariff barrier makes food from outside of the EU coming in 17% more expensive than it should be. That orange juice you mentioned, if it comes from the USA to the UK would be 17% more expensive as a member of the EU. A dropping of that tariff would see food prices in the UK reduced not increased. Bilateral free trade deals the UK does with other countries (like usa) after Brexit would see the tariff removed. removing a tariff of 17% ant much help when the value of the pound has fallen by as much , the value of the pound falling is wiping out any potential savings you might have made With trade agreements comes regulatory alignment. We accept whatever chlorine washed, antibiotic, hormone and fish fed meat and transgenetic what and maize that they choose to dump on us. We wil also give them "access" to our health "market" and whatever else they choose. Why? Because America speaks the same language as us so are obviously our friends "When exporting to another country, you have to comply with their regulations. Don't you understamd that? | |||
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"seriously... sometimes it is better to not speak and leave some doubt... than to open it and have everything you have confirmed... in this case that you have no clue..... Firstly a weaker pound benefits exporters, but more importantly manufacturers. So more jobs in the manufacturing industry. so lets try this slowly... if everyone is playing by the WTO they will have to apply on goods... at the moment your "good" is costing £100 if for example your cost have gone up because a tariff is being applied.... and that same good now costs lets say £120.... why should "company a" now buy from the uk? only the price for buying from the uk would have gone up... no one elses!!! Imported food will go down in price just like everything else. It will have to, as the supermarkets will still have to sell the stuff. Too much is getting thrown away as it is, something I will bring up in another thread when I get the time. imported food will go up because of your weaker pound!!!! because it has cost more to produce in UK terms!!!! and then because we will then be apply a bloody tariff on it!!!! all that supply demand means is that people may buy less... not that the actual price of product will come down.... take for example... orange juice! orange juice is priced in us dollars... so your weaker pound has made that more expensive... then add tariff on top.... supermarkets aren't going to swallow the increased they will pass them on!!! By social housing costs, I should have been more specific. I meant social housing rent, which has actually gone down recently, well mine has, that is certain. As for utility bills, the many different providers will have to cut costs as they compete against each other. Fossil fuel will become less significant over time, and that is a good thing. god no.... as you may have seen in the last couple of weeks energy surpliers are beginning to increase prices again... why... because they price has gone up and the pound is weaker!!!! As for my saying I run a business, when? I have already said I work in a Cash & Carry Mr Grooverider... well if you work in cash an carry then i would start looking up the import regulations booklet.... its going to be a hum-dinger for you!!! The EU's external tariff barrier makes food from outside of the EU coming in 17% more expensive than it should be. That orange juice you mentioned, if it comes from the USA to the UK would be 17% more expensive as a member of the EU. A dropping of that tariff would see food prices in the UK reduced not increased. Bilateral free trade deals the UK does with other countries (like usa) after Brexit would see the tariff removed. removing a tariff of 17% ant much help when the value of the pound has fallen by as much , the value of the pound falling is wiping out any potential savings you might have made With trade agreements comes regulatory alignment. We accept whatever chlorine washed, antibiotic, hormone and fish fed meat and transgenetic what and maize that they choose to dump on us. We wil also give them "access" to our health "market" and whatever else they choose. Why? Because America speaks the same language as us so are obviously our friends
When exporting to another country, you have to comply with their regulations. Don't you understamd that?"Not if your deal changes the regulations. What have we to bargain with? No deal then it's either WTO rules or unilateral removal of our tariffs. Do you understand that? | |||
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"seriously... sometimes it is better to not speak and leave some doubt... than to open it and have everything you have confirmed... in this case that you have no clue..... Firstly a weaker pound benefits exporters, but more importantly manufacturers. So more jobs in the manufacturing industry. so lets try this slowly... if everyone is playing by the WTO they will have to apply on goods... at the moment your "good" is costing £100 if for example your cost have gone up because a tariff is being applied.... and that same good now costs lets say £120.... why should "company a" now buy from the uk? only the price for buying from the uk would have gone up... no one elses!!! Imported food will go down in price just like everything else. It will have to, as the supermarkets will still have to sell the stuff. Too much is getting thrown away as it is, something I will bring up in another thread when I get the time. imported food will go up because of your weaker pound!!!! because it has cost more to produce in UK terms!!!! and then because we will then be apply a bloody tariff on it!!!! all that supply demand means is that people may buy less... not that the actual price of product will come down.... take for example... orange juice! orange juice is priced in us dollars... so your weaker pound has made that more expensive... then add tariff on top.... supermarkets aren't going to swallow the increased they will pass them on!!! By social housing costs, I should have been more specific. I meant social housing rent, which has actually gone down recently, well mine has, that is certain. As for utility bills, the many different providers will have to cut costs as they compete against each other. Fossil fuel will become less significant over time, and that is a good thing. god no.... as you may have seen in the last couple of weeks energy surpliers are beginning to increase prices again... why... because they price has gone up and the pound is weaker!!!! As for my saying I run a business, when? I have already said I work in a Cash & Carry Mr Grooverider... well if you work in cash an carry then i would start looking up the import regulations booklet.... its going to be a hum-dinger for you!!! The EU's external tariff barrier makes food from outside of the EU coming in 17% more expensive than it should be. That orange juice you mentioned, if it comes from the USA to the UK would be 17% more expensive as a member of the EU. A dropping of that tariff would see food prices in the UK reduced not increased. Bilateral free trade deals the UK does with other countries (like usa) after Brexit would see the tariff removed. removing a tariff of 17% ant much help when the value of the pound has fallen by as much , the value of the pound falling is wiping out any potential savings you might have made 6 months before the referendum, the IMF, the BoE and the OECD were all saying the pound needed to reduce in value by 20%." You cannot control the value of your currency. That's manipulation. America has started a trade war over that. You control it with interest rates. Ours are almost zero already so cannot force sale with reductions. Alternatively you make your assets undesirables and reduce inward investment. Finally you buy foreign debt so that you sell your currency relative to that country's. That's massive public spending. Our currency was devalued because the market thinks the UK is not as good an investment as it once was. | |||
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"seriously... sometimes it is better to not speak and leave some doubt... than to open it and have everything you have confirmed... in this case that you have no clue..... Firstly a weaker pound benefits exporters, but more importantly manufacturers. So more jobs in the manufacturing industry. so lets try this slowly... if everyone is playing by the WTO they will have to apply on goods... at the moment your "good" is costing £100 if for example your cost have gone up because a tariff is being applied.... and that same good now costs lets say £120.... why should "company a" now buy from the uk? only the price for buying from the uk would have gone up... no one elses!!! Imported food will go down in price just like everything else. It will have to, as the supermarkets will still have to sell the stuff. Too much is getting thrown away as it is, something I will bring up in another thread when I get the time. imported food will go up because of your weaker pound!!!! because it has cost more to produce in UK terms!!!! and then because we will then be apply a bloody tariff on it!!!! all that supply demand means is that people may buy less... not that the actual price of product will come down.... take for example... orange juice! orange juice is priced in us dollars... so your weaker pound has made that more expensive... then add tariff on top.... supermarkets aren't going to swallow the increased they will pass them on!!! By social housing costs, I should have been more specific. I meant social housing rent, which has actually gone down recently, well mine has, that is certain. As for utility bills, the many different providers will have to cut costs as they compete against each other. Fossil fuel will become less significant over time, and that is a good thing. god no.... as you may have seen in the last couple of weeks energy surpliers are beginning to increase prices again... why... because they price has gone up and the pound is weaker!!!! As for my saying I run a business, when? I have already said I work in a Cash & Carry Mr Grooverider... well if you work in cash an carry then i would start looking up the import regulations booklet.... its going to be a hum-dinger for you!!! The EU's external tariff barrier makes food from outside of the EU coming in 17% more expensive than it should be. That orange juice you mentioned, if it comes from the USA to the UK would be 17% more expensive as a member of the EU. A dropping of that tariff would see food prices in the UK reduced not increased. Bilateral free trade deals the UK does with other countries (like usa) after Brexit would see the tariff removed. removing a tariff of 17% ant much help when the value of the pound has fallen by as much , the value of the pound falling is wiping out any potential savings you might have made 6 months before the referendum, the IMF, the BoE and the OECD were all saying the pound needed to reduce in value by 20%." Removing 17% tariff and if the pound was down 20% is an effective 3 % rise in import cost | |||
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""6 months before the referendum, the IMF, the BoE and the OECD were all saying the pound needed to reduce in value by 20%." Prove it. " http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/scr/2016/cr16168.pdf#page=51 Page 51 if my linking is bad However their model will have assumed (I think) the uk being in the EU. So whether it’s at the right value now ... or needs to drop further in light of forthcoming tarrifs .... who knows. | |||
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""6 months before the referendum, the IMF, the BoE and the OECD were all saying the pound needed to reduce in value by 20%." Prove it. http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/scr/2016/cr16168.pdf#page=51 Page 51 if my linking is bad However their model will have assumed (I think) the uk being in the EU. So whether it’s at the right value now ... or needs to drop further in light of forthcoming tarrifs .... who knows. " That says between 5 and 20%, not exactly 20%, and is only 1 out of 3 organisations mentioned. | |||
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"seriously... sometimes it is better to not speak and leave some doubt... than to open it and have everything you have confirmed... in this case that you have no clue..... Firstly a weaker pound benefits exporters, but more importantly manufacturers. So more jobs in the manufacturing industry. so lets try this slowly... if everyone is playing by the WTO they will have to apply on goods... at the moment your "good" is costing £100 if for example your cost have gone up because a tariff is being applied.... and that same good now costs lets say £120.... why should "company a" now buy from the uk? only the price for buying from the uk would have gone up... no one elses!!! Imported food will go down in price just like everything else. It will have to, as the supermarkets will still have to sell the stuff. Too much is getting thrown away as it is, something I will bring up in another thread when I get the time. imported food will go up because of your weaker pound!!!! because it has cost more to produce in UK terms!!!! and then because we will then be apply a bloody tariff on it!!!! all that supply demand means is that people may buy less... not that the actual price of product will come down.... take for example... orange juice! orange juice is priced in us dollars... so your weaker pound has made that more expensive... then add tariff on top.... supermarkets aren't going to swallow the increased they will pass them on!!! By social housing costs, I should have been more specific. I meant social housing rent, which has actually gone down recently, well mine has, that is certain. As for utility bills, the many different providers will have to cut costs as they compete against each other. Fossil fuel will become less significant over time, and that is a good thing. god no.... as you may have seen in the last couple of weeks energy surpliers are beginning to increase prices again... why... because they price has gone up and the pound is weaker!!!! As for my saying I run a business, when? I have already said I work in a Cash & Carry Mr Grooverider... well if you work in cash an carry then i would start looking up the import regulations booklet.... its going to be a hum-dinger for you!!! The EU's external tariff barrier makes food from outside of the EU coming in 17% more expensive than it should be. That orange juice you mentioned, if it comes from the USA to the UK would be 17% more expensive as a member of the EU. A dropping of that tariff would see food prices in the UK reduced not increased. Bilateral free trade deals the UK does with other countries (like usa) after Brexit would see the tariff removed. removing a tariff of 17% ant much help when the value of the pound has fallen by as much , the value of the pound falling is wiping out any potential savings you might have made 6 months before the referendum, the IMF, the BoE and the OECD were all saying the pound needed to reduce in value by 20%. You cannot control the value of your currency. That's manipulation. America has started a trade war over that. You control it with interest rates. Ours are almost zero already so cannot force sale with reductions. Alternatively you make your assets undesirables and reduce inward investment. Finally you buy foreign debt so that you sell your currency relative to that country's. That's massive public spending. Our currency was devalued because the market thinks the UK is not as good an investment as it once was. " Forgot increasing the money supply. That's basically governments borrowing to pump money into the economy. This is what both quantitative easing and the BoE action after the Brexit vote did. It has cost hundreds of billions over the last few years. | |||
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"Everyone is trying to make Brexit very complicated when it need not be! Remainers need to grow a back bone, get behind our wonderful country and make it great again without any influences from the corrupt EU. " Do you know when the UK was last great and do you know what corruption and class divide existed when this was allegedly so ? | |||
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"Everyone is trying to make Brexit very complicated when it need not be! Remainers need to grow a back bone, get behind our wonderful country and make it great again without any influences from the corrupt EU. " Nobody is trying to make Brexit very complicated. It IS very complicated. If it wasn't, why have Brexiteers been negotiating anything? | |||
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"Everyone is trying to make Brexit very complicated when it need not be! Remainers need to grow a back bone, get behind our wonderful country and make it great again without any influences from the corrupt EU. " Unravelling 40 years of agreements covering pretty much every aspect of trade, environment, travel etc was and never could not be complex.. On your backbone comment, guess what poke that type of rhetorical nonsense.. The wonderful thing called democracy means that those of us who think it's a mess can oppose it peacefully and campaign to change it and should it be the case that it comes to a point where that is an option then people can oppose it via the ballot box.. | |||
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"Everyone is trying to make Brexit very complicated when it need not be! Remainers need to grow a back bone, get behind our wonderful country and make it great again without any influences from the corrupt EU. Unravelling 40 years of agreements covering pretty much every aspect of trade, environment, travel etc was and never could not be complex.. On your backbone comment, guess what poke that type of rhetorical nonsense.. The wonderful thing called democracy means that those of us who think it's a mess can oppose it peacefully and campaign to change it and should it be the case that it comes to a point where that is an option then people can oppose it via the ballot box.. Can I ask you how are you opposing and campaigning to change brexit only asking because I read lots of stuff on here ppl saying similar but what are you all actually doing ? " | |||
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"Everyone is trying to make Brexit very complicated when it need not be! Remainers need to grow a back bone, get behind our wonderful country and make it great again without any influences from the corrupt EU. Unravelling 40 years of agreements covering pretty much every aspect of trade, environment, travel etc was and never could not be complex.. On your backbone comment, guess what poke that type of rhetorical nonsense.. The wonderful thing called democracy means that those of us who think it's a mess can oppose it peacefully and campaign to change it and should it be the case that it comes to a point where that is an option then people can oppose it via the ballot box.. Can I ask you how are you opposing and campaigning to change brexit only asking because I read lots of stuff on here ppl saying similar but what are you all actually doing ? " can I ask you how are you opposing and campaigning to change brexit because I read lots of stuff on here ppl saying similar but what are you actually doing ? | |||
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"Everyone is trying to make Brexit very complicated when it need not be! Remainers need to grow a back bone, get behind our wonderful country and make it great again without any influences from the corrupt EU. Unravelling 40 years of agreements covering pretty much every aspect of trade, environment, travel etc was and never could not be complex.. On your backbone comment, guess what poke that type of rhetorical nonsense.. The wonderful thing called democracy means that those of us who think it's a mess can oppose it peacefully and campaign to change it and should it be the case that it comes to a point where that is an option then people can oppose it via the ballot box.. Can I ask you how are you opposing and campaigning to change brexit only asking because I read lots of stuff on here ppl saying similar but what are you all actually doing ? " Any campaign needs funding and for those not actively involved that's one option.. | |||
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" Unravelling 40 years of agreements covering pretty much every aspect of trade, environment, travel etc was and never could not be complex.. " Very easy indeed, rip it up and start again! It need not be complicated unless you wish it to be! When they require our goods you can be sure that they will make a new deal! | |||
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" Unravelling 40 years of agreements covering pretty much every aspect of trade, environment, travel etc was and never could not be complex.. Very easy indeed, rip it up and start again! It need not be complicated unless you wish it to be! When they require our goods you can be sure that they will make a new deal! " What type of credibility does a person, a company or a country have after reneging on said agreements or contracts when they don't adhere to them or abide by them and just rip them up.. Trustworthy for future prospective partners? Regardless of looking like prize clowns given we helped to write the stuff.. Look at it in simpler terms, you order and pay a deposit on a kitchen and then the company tear up your agreement? Happy to live in that sort of world..? | |||
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" What type of credibility does a person, a company or a country have after reneging on said agreements or contracts when they don't adhere to them or abide by them and just rip them up.. Trustworthy for future prospective partners? Regardless of looking like prize clowns given we helped to write the stuff.. Look at it in simpler terms, you order and pay a deposit on a kitchen and then the company tear up your agreement? Happy to live in that sort of world..? " No I would not like to live in that kind of world. Digressing I would not pay for the kitchen until it had been completed. That said, the EU started this! Despite the agreed Brexit Bill the EU threatened us first on such issues. The EU said we couldn't be part of the Galileo project amongst many others to which we have subscribed and agreed to meet our commitment! Needless to say, you as a remainer will refuse to budge and neither shall we as Brexiters. | |||
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" the EU started this! " Funniest thing I’ve seen in a long time. Good work! | |||
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