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Three of the Rochdale grooming gang to be deported and loose their citizenship!
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"They are back in the community at the moment! They have been released from prison!" Did they serve their sentence?. | |||
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"They are back in the community at the moment! They have been released from prison! Did they serve their sentence?." They are out on licence. Now they have lost their appeal, I would hope that they are rounded up and placed into custody before deportation. | |||
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"They are back in the community at the moment! They have been released from prison! Did they serve their sentence?. They are out on licence. Now they have lost their appeal, I would hope that they are rounded up and placed into custody before deportation." How could they be deported without first being "rounded up and placed into custody"? | |||
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"They are back in the community at the moment! They have been released from prison! Did they serve their sentence?. They are out on licence. Now they have lost their appeal, I would hope that they are rounded up and placed into custody before deportation. How could they be deported without first being "rounded up and placed into custody"? " I mean that they should go back into custody immediately. They do have one more appeal left but they should not be out on the streets anymore. | |||
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"They are back in the community at the moment! They have been released from prison! Did they serve their sentence?. They are out on licence. Now they have lost their appeal, I would hope that they are rounded up and placed into custody before deportation. How could they be deported without first being "rounded up and placed into custody"? I mean that they should go back into custody immediately. They do have one more appeal left but they should not be out on the streets anymore." They have 2 appeals left. | |||
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"They are back in the community at the moment! They have been released from prison! Did they serve their sentence?. They are out on licence. Now they have lost their appeal, I would hope that they are rounded up and placed into custody before deportation. How could they be deported without first being "rounded up and placed into custody"? I mean that they should go back into custody immediately. They do have one more appeal left but they should not be out on the streets anymore." But if they are out on licence, isn't that at the end of a prison sentence of between 12m and 4 years? Therefore regardless of the appeal, unless they break their conditions they wouldn't go back into custody to serve the remainder of their sentence? | |||
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"They are back in the community at the moment! They have been released from prison! Did they serve their sentence?. They are out on licence. Now they have lost their appeal, I would hope that they are rounded up and placed into custody before deportation. How could they be deported without first being "rounded up and placed into custody"? I mean that they should go back into custody immediately. They do have one more appeal left but they should not be out on the streets anymore. But if they are out on licence, isn't that at the end of a prison sentence of between 12m and 4 years? Therefore regardless of the appeal, unless they break their conditions they wouldn't go back into custody to serve the remainder of their sentence? " So you're quite happy to see them "see out" the rest of the sentence on the streets of Rochdale? I agree that things have to be done in the correct manner but being out on the streets, when they are facing a one way ticket to Pakistan, is fraught with danger. | |||
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"They are back in the community at the moment! They have been released from prison! Did they serve their sentence?. They are out on licence. Now they have lost their appeal, I would hope that they are rounded up and placed into custody before deportation. How could they be deported without first being "rounded up and placed into custody"? I mean that they should go back into custody immediately. They do have one more appeal left but they should not be out on the streets anymore. But if they are out on licence, isn't that at the end of a prison sentence of between 12m and 4 years? Therefore regardless of the appeal, unless they break their conditions they wouldn't go back into custody to serve the remainder of their sentence? So you're quite happy to see them "see out" the rest of the sentence on the streets of Rochdale? I agree that things have to be done in the correct manner but being out on the streets, when they are facing a one way ticket to Pakistan, is fraught with danger." I'm happy that NOMS seems to be working as it should and they are not being treated any better or worse than anyone else convicted of the same crime. | |||
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". They are worried about people calling them racist. " No they're not worried about that, if they were non-whites wouldn't be over represented in the prison population. The claim is often used by ineffective public service managers to conceal poor performance or far right groups to give the impression non-whites receive favourable treatment in the criminal justice system. Any decent copper with clear, corroborated evidence of sexual grooming of children would have no hesitation in arresting the perpetrators. | |||
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"Iv noticed when ever there’s a post on here about the grooming gangs certain ppl who practalcally live on here and post on every other subject always seem to swerve this subject Very strange " Call them out foxy .  | |||
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". They are worried about people calling them racist. No they're not worried about that, if they were non-whites wouldn't be over represented in the prison population. The claim is often used by ineffective public service managers to conceal poor performance or far right groups to give the impression non-whites receive favourable treatment in the criminal justice system. Any decent copper with clear, corroborated evidence of sexual grooming of children would have no hesitation in arresting the perpetrators." oh they are tho if you had wached the tv show about the rochdale gangs that’s exactly what happened | |||
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". They are worried about people calling them racist. No they're not worried about that, if they were non-whites wouldn't be over represented in the prison population. The claim is often used by ineffective public service managers to conceal poor performance or far right groups to give the impression non-whites receive favourable treatment in the criminal justice system. Any decent copper with clear, corroborated evidence of sexual grooming of children would have no hesitation in arresting the perpetrators." So the “overrepresentation” of non whites in the prison population is because the old bill are racist? Nothing to do with the fact that certain groups are more likely to become criminals?? Oh now I understand, NOT! Perhaps the CPS are also racist, I mean the police arrest people, but they can’t take them to court without the CPS. The magistrates and judges must also be racist too. Blimey all these racists in officialdom!  | |||
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". So the “overrepresentation” of non whites in the prison population is because the old bill are racist? Nothing to do with the fact that certain groups are more likely to become criminals?? Oh now I understand, NOT! Perhaps the CPS are also racist, I mean the police arrest people, but they can’t take them to court without the CPS. The magistrates and judges must also be racist too. Blimey all these racists in officialdom! "Do you know what 'over-represented' means? | |||
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". They are worried about people calling them racist. No they're not worried about that, if they were non-whites wouldn't be over represented in the prison population. The claim is often used by ineffective public service managers to conceal poor performance or far right groups to give the impression non-whites receive favourable treatment in the criminal justice system. Any decent copper with clear, corroborated evidence of sexual grooming of children would have no hesitation in arresting the perpetrators. So the “overrepresentation” of non whites in the prison population is because the old bill are racist? Nothing to do with the fact that certain groups are more likely to become criminals?? Oh now I understand, NOT! Perhaps the CPS are also racist, I mean the police arrest people, but they can’t take them to court without the CPS. The magistrates and judges must also be racist too. Blimey all these racists in officialdom! "Nobody has called anyone racist. | |||
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". They are worried about people calling them racist. No they're not worried about that, if they were non-whites wouldn't be over represented in the prison population. The claim is often used by ineffective public service managers to conceal poor performance or far right groups to give the impression non-whites receive favourable treatment in the criminal justice system. Any decent copper with clear, corroborated evidence of sexual grooming of children would have no hesitation in arresting the perpetrators. So the “overrepresentation” of non whites in the prison population is because the old bill are racist? Nothing to do with the fact that certain groups are more likely to become criminals?? Oh now I understand, NOT! Perhaps the CPS are also racist, I mean the police arrest people, but they can’t take them to court without the CPS. The magistrates and judges must also be racist too. Blimey all these racists in officialdom! "Take a deep breath....  | |||
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". They are worried about people calling them racist. No they're not worried about that, if they were non-whites wouldn't be over represented in the prison population. The claim is often used by ineffective public service managers to conceal poor performance or far right groups to give the impression non-whites receive favourable treatment in the criminal justice system. Any decent copper with clear, corroborated evidence of sexual grooming of children would have no hesitation in arresting the perpetrators. oh they are tho if you had wached the tv show about the rochdale gangs that’s exactly what happened " These weren't the 'decent' coppers I was referring to. | |||
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". So the “overrepresentation” of non whites in the prison population is because the old bill are racist? Nothing to do with the fact that certain groups are more likely to become criminals?? Oh now I understand, NOT! Perhaps the CPS are also racist, I mean the police arrest people, but they can’t take them to court without the CPS. The magistrates and judges must also be racist too. Blimey all these racists in officialdom!
Do you know what 'over-represented' means?"Yes, why would you ask? | |||
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". So the “overrepresentation” of non whites in the prison population is because the old bill are racist? Nothing to do with the fact that certain groups are more likely to become criminals?? Oh now I understand, NOT! Perhaps the CPS are also racist, I mean the police arrest people, but they can’t take them to court without the CPS. The magistrates and judges must also be racist too. Blimey all these racists in officialdom!
Do you know what 'over-represented' means?
Yes, why would you ask?"Not judging by your post. It just means that there are are a higher proportion of non-whites than you would expect based on the general population. If law enforcement was really concerned about convicting "too many" non-whites then this would not be the case. Don't be so quick to take offence. | |||
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"Good that they have been convicted. The law has to be applied equally so unfortunately if the law says that they are released on license then that's what must be done. You cannot apply the law differently for the same criminal act. Of this doesn't happen and legal decisions are made by politicians or the general public/press then we do not have an independent judiciary. I'm interested in a few points here: There is certainly a larger proportion of non-white perpetrators of this type of crime. About 71%. About 17% are white. Is there a different motivation/reason that this type of crime happens between the two groups? What proportion of the UK male muslim/Asian/non-white population do the total number of men involved in this crime represent? Is it possibly that they are all just nasty, predatory, manipulative men? Do all muslims or non-whites condone this behaviour? Are they all liable? As 100% of paedophile gangs are white is there a particular problem in the white population with this type of crime?" the grooming gangs are paedos tho nearly all the cases involved kids so your 100% is way off | |||
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". So the “overrepresentation” of non whites in the prison population is because the old bill are racist? Nothing to do with the fact that certain groups are more likely to become criminals?? Oh now I understand, NOT! Perhaps the CPS are also racist, I mean the police arrest people, but they can’t take them to court without the CPS. The magistrates and judges must also be racist too. Blimey all these racists in officialdom!
Do you know what 'over-represented' means?
Yes, why would you ask?
Not judging by your post.
It just means that there are are a higher proportion of non-whites than you would expect based on the general population.
If law enforcement was really concerned about convicting "too many" non-whites then this would not be the case.
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"Good that they have been convicted. The law has to be applied equally so unfortunately if the law says that they are released on license then that's what must be done. You cannot apply the law differently for the same criminal act. Of this doesn't happen and legal decisions are made by politicians or the general public/press then we do not have an independent judiciary. I'm interested in a few points here: There is certainly a larger proportion of non-white perpetrators of this type of crime. About 71%. About 17% are white. Is there a different motivation/reason that this type of crime happens between the two groups? What proportion of the UK male muslim/Asian/non-white population do the total number of men involved in this crime represent? Is it possibly that they are all just nasty, predatory, manipulative men? Do all muslims or non-whites condone this behaviour? Are they all liable? As 100% of paedophile gangs are white is there a particular problem in the white population with this type of crime? the grooming gangs are paedos tho nearly all the cases involved kids so your 100% is way off " They didn't care if they were under aged or not. They targeted them because they were vulnerable. This is Type 1 Paedophiles specifically target children because that's what turns them on. This is Type 2 Have a look see. It would still be interesting if you also made an effort to respond to the other points raised. | |||
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" They didn't care if they were under aged or not. They targeted them because they were vulnerable. " Excellent point, the unique feature of the victims is that they were mainly vulnerable, I'd hazard a guess few were the daughters of doctors or solicitors. Stretching my own social thinking they perhaps became prey to a malignant nighttime culture.. take aways and taxi drivers-a large proportion being Muslim and a significant minority of those being perverts. This was a systemic problem-care services unable to discharge their responsibilities to vulnerable children from chaotic backgrounds with a range of emotional needs, and a criminal justice system which took a long time to believe the accounts given by victims who they perceived as unreliable. Abusers are naturally attracted to scenarios where they're unlikely to be caught. | |||
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". So the “overrepresentation” of non whites in the prison population is because the old bill are racist? Nothing to do with the fact that certain groups are more likely to become criminals?? Oh now I understand, NOT! Perhaps the CPS are also racist, I mean the police arrest people, but they can’t take them to court without the CPS. The magistrates and judges must also be racist too. Blimey all these racists in officialdom!
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Yes, why would you ask?
Not judging by your post.
It just means that there are are a higher proportion of non-whites than you would expect based on the general population.
If law enforcement was really concerned about convicting "too many" non-whites then this would not be the case.
Don't be so quick to take offence."The way the word is used in this instance, suggests that a lot of those prisoners were not guilty in the first place. Or perhaps that crimes committed by white people are overlooked. | |||
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" They didn't care if they were under aged or not. They targeted them because they were vulnerable. Excellent point, the unique feature of the victims is that they were mainly vulnerable, I'd hazard a guess few were the daughters of doctors or solicitors. Stretching my own social thinking they perhaps became prey to a malignant nighttime culture.. take aways and taxi drivers-a large proportion being Muslim and a significant minority of those being perverts. This was a systemic problem-care services unable to discharge their responsibilities to vulnerable children from chaotic backgrounds with a range of emotional needs, and a criminal justice system which took a long time to believe the accounts given by victims who they perceived as unreliable. Abusers are naturally attracted to scenarios where they're unlikely to be caught. " At the risk of sounding like a mutual appreciation society, that is an interesting connection. Criminals tend to act in part, due to opportunity. They wouldn't necessarily plan it, but act on their inclinations when it is available to them. The late night world if kebab shops and minicabs is heavily populated by Asian and specifically Muslim men. Jon Worboys exploited this same thing as a black cab driver. Preying on lone women who'd had too much to drink. Would the incidence of this crime be equally high if there were as many white men in this part of the economy? Are 70% of minicab drivers Asian muslim? Could be based on nothing but what I see. | |||
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"They are back in the community at the moment! They have been released from prison! Did they serve their sentence?. They are out on licence. Now they have lost their appeal, I would hope that they are rounded up and placed into custody before deportation. How could they be deported without first being "rounded up and placed into custody"? "
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" They didn't care if they were under aged or not. They targeted them because they were vulnerable. Excellent point, the unique feature of the victims is that they were mainly vulnerable, I'd hazard a guess few were the daughters of doctors or solicitors. Stretching my own social thinking they perhaps became prey to a malignant nighttime culture.. take aways and taxi drivers-a large proportion being Muslim and a significant minority of those being perverts. This was a systemic problem-care services unable to discharge their responsibilities to vulnerable children from chaotic backgrounds with a range of emotional needs, and a criminal justice system which took a long time to believe the accounts given by victims who they perceived as unreliable. Abusers are naturally attracted to scenarios where they're unlikely to be caught. At the risk of sounding like a mutual appreciation society, that is an interesting connection. Criminals tend to act in part, due to opportunity. They wouldn't necessarily plan it, but act on their inclinations when it is available to them. The late night world if kebab shops and minicabs is heavily populated by Asian and specifically Muslim men. Jon Worboys exploited this same thing as a black cab driver. Preying on lone women who'd had too much to drink. Would the incidence of this crime be equally high if there were as many white men in this part of the economy? Are 70% of minicab drivers Asian muslim? Could be based on nothing but what I see." It was ORGANISED crime. Not opportunism. Read the Court of Appeal Judgment from this week about the removal of their citizenship. The CA said ORGANISED CRIME. This is nothing like Worboys. | |||
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" They didn't care if they were under aged or not. They targeted them because they were vulnerable. Excellent point, the unique feature of the victims is that they were mainly vulnerable, I'd hazard a guess few were the daughters of doctors or solicitors. Stretching my own social thinking they perhaps became prey to a malignant nighttime culture.. take aways and taxi drivers-a large proportion being Muslim and a significant minority of those being perverts. This was a systemic problem-care services unable to discharge their responsibilities to vulnerable children from chaotic backgrounds with a range of emotional needs, and a criminal justice system which took a long time to believe the accounts given by victims who they perceived as unreliable. Abusers are naturally attracted to scenarios where they're unlikely to be caught. At the risk of sounding like a mutual appreciation society, that is an interesting connection. Criminals tend to act in part, due to opportunity. They wouldn't necessarily plan it, but act on their inclinations when it is available to them. The late night world if kebab shops and minicabs is heavily populated by Asian and specifically Muslim men. Jon Worboys exploited this same thing as a black cab driver. Preying on lone women who'd had too much to drink. Would the incidence of this crime be equally high if there were as many white men in this part of the economy? Are 70% of minicab drivers Asian muslim? Could be based on nothing but what I see. It was ORGANISED crime. Not opportunism. Read the Court of Appeal Judgment from this week about the removal of their citizenship. The CA said ORGANISED CRIME. This is nothing like Worboys. " The 'opportunity' arose. They built an infrastructure around it, I don't think anyone's completely denying that. | |||
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" They didn't care if they were under aged or not. They targeted them because they were vulnerable. Excellent point, the unique feature of the victims is that they were mainly vulnerable, I'd hazard a guess few were the daughters of doctors or solicitors. Stretching my own social thinking they perhaps became prey to a malignant nighttime culture.. take aways and taxi drivers-a large proportion being Muslim and a significant minority of those being perverts. This was a systemic problem-care services unable to discharge their responsibilities to vulnerable children from chaotic backgrounds with a range of emotional needs, and a criminal justice system which took a long time to believe the accounts given by victims who they perceived as unreliable. Abusers are naturally attracted to scenarios where they're unlikely to be caught. At the risk of sounding like a mutual appreciation society, that is an interesting connection. Criminals tend to act in part, due to opportunity. They wouldn't necessarily plan it, but act on their inclinations when it is available to them. The late night world if kebab shops and minicabs is heavily populated by Asian and specifically Muslim men. Jon Worboys exploited this same thing as a black cab driver. Preying on lone women who'd had too much to drink. Would the incidence of this crime be equally high if there were as many white men in this part of the economy? Are 70% of minicab drivers Asian muslim? Could be based on nothing but what I see. It was ORGANISED crime. Not opportunism. Read the Court of Appeal Judgment from this week about the removal of their citizenship. The CA said ORGANISED CRIME. This is nothing like Worboys. " I'm not sure materially there's a lot of difference Warboys, he also worked in the shadows. I'm sure given the opportunity to acquire more victims he would have been happy to join an organised group, likewise I'm sure some of the Asian predators will have abused in isolation when the opportunities arose. | |||
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" They didn't care if they were under aged or not. They targeted them because they were vulnerable. Excellent point, the unique feature of the victims is that they were mainly vulnerable, I'd hazard a guess few were the daughters of doctors or solicitors. Stretching my own social thinking they perhaps became prey to a malignant nighttime culture.. take aways and taxi drivers-a large proportion being Muslim and a significant minority of those being perverts. This was a systemic problem-care services unable to discharge their responsibilities to vulnerable children from chaotic backgrounds with a range of emotional needs, and a criminal justice system which took a long time to believe the accounts given by victims who they perceived as unreliable. Abusers are naturally attracted to scenarios where they're unlikely to be caught. At the risk of sounding like a mutual appreciation society, that is an interesting connection. Criminals tend to act in part, due to opportunity. They wouldn't necessarily plan it, but act on their inclinations when it is available to them. The late night world if kebab shops and minicabs is heavily populated by Asian and specifically Muslim men. Jon Worboys exploited this same thing as a black cab driver. Preying on lone women who'd had too much to drink. Would the incidence of this crime be equally high if there were as many white men in this part of the economy? Are 70% of minicab drivers Asian muslim? Could be based on nothing but what I see. It was ORGANISED crime. Not opportunism. Read the Court of Appeal Judgment from this week about the removal of their citizenship. The CA said ORGANISED CRIME. This is nothing like Worboys. " It was organised, but how did it start? Is it not at all possible that driving around talking their passengers they found out that they were young, naive, d*unk, taking drugs? Knowing this they cynically took advantage of it. That doesn't mean that it wasn't then organised. Are all Asians and Muslims likely to organise the abuse of vulnerable girls? | |||
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"If it wasn’t organized and done so well it wouldn’t of gone on for so many years amazes me how some ppl can’t see that they are just dirty animal scum " They are dirty animal scum. It was organised. Who said that wasn't true? | |||
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"If it wasn’t organized and done so well it wouldn’t of gone on for so many years amazes me how some ppl can’t see that they are just dirty animal scum " They're just 'evil dirty scum', don't see where anyone's denied that, it's hardly a controversial statement given their crimes! | |||
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"And castrate them too x" Hmm, who else did forced sterilisation? Let me think... let me think... | |||
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"And castrate them too x Hmm, who else did forced sterilisation? Let me think... let me think..." Castration for all pedophiles and sex offenders | |||
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"If it wasn’t organized and done so well it wouldn’t of gone on for so many years amazes me how some ppl can’t see that they are just dirty animal scum " No one has disagreed with any of those points, anyone who preys on kids is the same albeit they may not be organised but if anyone thinks that such vile behaviours are limited to one group in society then its a la la land world they live in.. The outcry with some and not referring to yourself is distinctly louder with some on here because there is inherent racism with some whenever a Muslim or Muslims in this case are involved.. It's almost like some bizarre alternative universe where such sick and vile crimes never happened till recently.. | |||
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"It's crimes like this that as part of the punishment you should be stripped of your human rights. None of this taking the case to the ECHR over being reported to Pakistan infringes their human rights " My point is only that the same crime should have the same punishment. Fair enough? | |||
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"It's crimes like this that as part of the punishment you should be stripped of your human rights. None of this taking the case to the ECHR over being reported to Pakistan infringes their human rights My point is only that the same crime should have the same punishment. Fair enough?" That's exactly right though I think the point of the post is that they have lost their British citizenship. I would imagine that most white perpetrators of the same crime, have only British citizenship, and as pointed out on a recent thread, cannot be stripped of this. | |||
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"It's crimes like this that as part of the punishment you should be stripped of your human rights. None of this taking the case to the ECHR over being reported to Pakistan infringes their human rights " Then they are no longer human rights, but privileges. I believe it is the UN, not the ECHR, that stipulates someone cannot be made stateless. That doesn't apply in cases of dual citizenship where the acquired nationality is removed because of criminal behaviour. | |||
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"It's crimes like this that as part of the punishment you should be stripped of your human rights. None of this taking the case to the ECHR over being reported to Pakistan infringes their human rights Then they are no longer human rights, but privileges. I believe it is the UN, not the ECHR, that stipulates someone cannot be made stateless. That doesn't apply in cases of dual citizenship where the acquired nationality is removed because of criminal behaviour. " Any convicted criminal using the Human Rights card to soften their own punishment after destroying the Human Rights of their victims should not sit well with any decent human being. | |||
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" Any convicted criminal using the Human Rights card to soften their own punishment after destroying the Human Rights of their victims should not sit well with any decent human being." Which human right or rights do you object to? The right to life, for example? The right not to be tortured? The right to a fair trial? I'm not aware any of those convicted sought to soften the punishment by resorting to human rights law. They served the required term before being released on licence. | |||
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"It's crimes like this that as part of the punishment you should be stripped of your human rights. None of this taking the case to the ECHR over being reported to Pakistan infringes their human rights Then they are no longer human rights, but privileges. I believe it is the UN, not the ECHR, that stipulates someone cannot be made stateless. That doesn't apply in cases of dual citizenship where the acquired nationality is removed because of criminal behaviour. Any convicted criminal using the Human Rights card to soften their own punishment after destroying the Human Rights of their victims should not sit well with any decent human being." These options don't actually exist to help the guilty. They exist to help the innocent. They don't soften the punishment as far as I'm aware. Unfortunately the option has to be open to everyone. It's imperfect but I think that the process works more or less. | |||
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"They are back in the community at the moment! They have been released from prison!" That means they will disappear into the community and do the same thing again,our legal system is so sad. Should be out of prison driven to the airport and frogmarched onto the plane. | |||
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"Forgetting the appalling PC brigade, I personally would recommend chemical and permanent castration for the lot of them, and then export them in wooded crates back to their homeland to be stoned." Is there such a thing as temporary castration? | |||
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"You have two types of people the ones who live in peace and harmony and the others who don't respect humanity, respect women and young girls and think it's okay to target the defenceless and the weak. Yes I think it's a big cultural problem x" How can it be a cultural problem if its neither uniform across a culture, nor confined to a single culture? | |||
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"Despite all the statistics being thrown around, such as most peado being white which isn't surprising given that white people make up the majority of the UK population. Then you have grooming gangs as identified as mostly being Asian men which sticks out because they make up very little of the overall UK population. Imagine if it transpired that gangs of white men were groom8ng young Muslim girls in a country with a small white population we would have to say that their is a problem with white males in that country. " Even the ones who didn't abuse children? Do you know how daft that sounds? | |||
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"It's funny how the people who are most upset about this sort of thing happening are the same sort of people who vote for the party who have cut 23,000 police in the last 8 years. Also less social workers, less probation officers, less prison staff, less children and family support etc etc etc. " You think people who vote for liberal or labour think it's not such a serious crime as those who vote tory would think? Do you count yourself amongst those who think it's not such a serious crime as someone who votes tory would think? | |||
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"It's funny how the people who are most upset about this sort of thing happening are the same sort of people who vote for the party who have cut 23,000 police in the last 8 years. Also less social workers, less probation officers, less prison staff, less children and family support etc etc etc. You think people who vote for liberal or labour think it's not such a serious crime as those who vote tory would think? Do you count yourself amongst those who think it's not such a serious crime as someone who votes tory would think?" I think the people who shout the loudest about it are the ones who chose to strip the myriad of overlapping and complementary support services away that would have stopped it happening in the first place. | |||
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"It's funny how the people who are most upset about this sort of thing happening are the same sort of people who vote for the party who have cut 23,000 police in the last 8 years. Also less social workers, less probation officers, less prison staff, less children and family support etc etc etc. You think people who vote for liberal or labour think it's not such a serious crime as those who vote tory would think? Do you count yourself amongst those who think it's not such a serious crime as someone who votes tory would think? I think the people who shout the loudest about it are the ones who chose to strip the myriad of overlapping and complementary support services away that would have stopped it happening in the first place." So what you are saying is that it has happened only during tory governments, and that tory governments and those who vote tory are to blame for it? And for that reason you aren't quite so upset about it. Wow. | |||
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"Despite all the statistics being thrown around, such as most peado being white which isn't surprising given that white people make up the majority of the UK population. Then you have grooming gangs as identified as mostly being Asian men which sticks out because they make up very little of the overall UK population. Imagine if it transpired that gangs of white men were groom8ng young Muslim girls in a country with a small white population we would have to say that their is a problem with white males in that country. " Like when you go somewhere like Cambodia you mean, and there are hordes of geriatric white men preying on pre-teen girls? The problem here really is that people are focusing on the wrong demographic... There actually *is* one sub-section of society that is responsible for the vast majority of child sexual abuse, probably in the high 90%. Not only that, but this demographic has infiltrated every level of society and social mechanism - they have got into positions of power in the constabulary, the judiciary, the government, the media... They exercise huge influence within the four estates and shape social opinion; any criticism of them is met with a huge backlash against the person doing the criticising and there will be some that do their utmost to discredit them and paint those people as some kind of lunatic extremist. As such, there are swathes of people too afraid to criticism them, for fear of being labelled and having their careers destroyed, and as a society nobody is really coming out and saying it how it is - that there is a cultural problem within this particular demographic to do with abusing children. No-one is saying it, because they are too scared, because this demographic is far too powerful... | |||
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"Despite all the statistics being thrown around, such as most peado being white which isn't surprising given that white people make up the majority of the UK population. Then you have grooming gangs as identified as mostly being Asian men which sticks out because they make up very little of the overall UK population. Imagine if it transpired that gangs of white men were groom8ng young Muslim girls in a country with a small white population we would have to say that their is a problem with white males in that country. Like when you go somewhere like Cambodia you mean, and there are hordes of geriatric white men preying on pre-teen girls? The problem here really is that people are focusing on the wrong demographic... There actually *is* one sub-section of society that is responsible for the vast majority of child sexual abuse, probably in the high 90%. Not only that, but this demographic has infiltrated every level of society and social mechanism - they have got into positions of power in the constabulary, the judiciary, the government, the media... They exercise huge influence within the four estates and shape social opinion; any criticism of them is met with a huge backlash against the person doing the criticising and there will be some that do their utmost to discredit them and paint those people as some kind of lunatic extremist. As such, there are swathes of people too afraid to criticism them, for fear of being labelled and having their careers destroyed, and as a society nobody is really coming out and saying it how it is - that there is a cultural problem within this particular demographic to do with abusing children. No-one is saying it, because they are too scared, because this demographic is far too powerful..." Why don't you name them then if you know who they are! | |||
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"I'm going to guess white people .Do I win prize .
It's not white people.
And thinking about it, this demographic pretty much hold sway over the 5th estate as well.
Can no-one guess who they are? This is their power...we've been conditioned not to see it..."So you don't know either! lol | |||
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"I'm going to guess white people .Do I win prize .
It's not white people.
And thinking about it, this demographic pretty much hold sway over the 5th estate as well.
Can no-one guess who they are? This is their power...we've been conditioned not to see it...
So you don't know either! lol"It's men | |||
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It's not white people.
And thinking about it, this demographic pretty much hold sway over the 5th estate as well.
Can no-one guess who they are? This is their power...we've been conditioned not to see it...
So you don't know either! lol
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"It's funny how the people who are most upset about this sort of thing happening are the same sort of people who vote for the party who have cut 23,000 police in the last 8 years. Also less social workers, less probation officers, less prison staff, less children and family support etc etc etc. You think people who vote for liberal or labour think it's not such a serious crime as those who vote tory would think? Do you count yourself amongst those who think it's not such a serious crime as someone who votes tory would think? I think the people who shout the loudest about it are the ones who chose to strip the myriad of overlapping and complementary support services away that would have stopped it happening in the first place. So what you are saying is that it has happened only during tory governments, and that tory governments and those who vote tory are to blame for it? And for that reason you aren't quite so upset about it. Wow. " No, I am not saying child abuse only happened during Tory governments. What I am saying is that drastic cuts to police and other services happens during Tory governments (and Tory led coalitions). Like I said, there has been a fall of 23,000 police officers since 2010. I think it's obvious to most people that less instances of child abuse if there were 23,000 more police officers than there are today. Therefore those who voted for such cuts are very much responsible. I do think that child sexual abuse and exploitation is very much a bad thing, that's why I vote to fund services that would stop it. Others vote to cut funding for such services, you would have to ask them why they would do such a thing. | |||
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"I'm going to guess white people .Do I win prize .
Those white people really are the worst, aren't they? "I think I've been unfair on women. tbh.I should of guessed white males are the biggest offenders . It's obvious when you think about the demographics
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"I'm going to guess white people .Do I win prize .
It's not white people.
And thinking about it, this demographic pretty much hold sway over the 5th estate as well.
Can no-one guess who they are? This is their power...we've been conditioned not to see it...
So you don't know either! lol
It's men
Here was me thinking you had some massive scoop to disclose! "I am of course being facetitious, even though all of those things I said are true... But could you imagine the backlash if people reacted to men the way they react to Muslims? | |||
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"I'm going to guess white people .Do I win prize .
It's not white people.
And thinking about it, this demographic pretty much hold sway over the 5th estate as well.
Can no-one guess who they are? This is their power...we've been conditioned not to see it...
So you don't know either! lol
It's men
Here was me thinking you had some massive scoop to disclose!
I am of course being facetitious, even though all of those things I said are true...
But could you imagine the backlash if people reacted to men the way they react to Muslims?"I think it would be same reaction if gangs of white taxi drivers up and down the country were abusing young girls but they would be caught quicker by the police how do you think the Muslim community would react if gangs of white taxi drivers were abusing young Muslim girls up and down the country pls don’t have a hissy fit I’m just turning the table like you have ? | |||
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"I'm going to guess white people .Do I win prize .
It's not white people.
And thinking about it, this demographic pretty much hold sway over the 5th estate as well.
Can no-one guess who they are? This is their power...we've been conditioned not to see it...
So you don't know either! lol
It's men
Here was me thinking you had some massive scoop to disclose!
I am of course being facetitious, even though all of those things I said are true...
But could you imagine the backlash if people reacted to men the way they react to Muslims? I think it would be same reaction if gangs of white taxi drivers up and down the country were abusing young girls but they would be caught quicker by the police how do you think the Muslim community would react if gangs of white taxi drivers were abusing young Muslim girls up and down the country pls don’t have a hissy fit I’m just turning the table like you have ?"They would say there was a problem with people like YOU. Would that be fair? | |||
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"I'm going to guess white people .Do I win prize .
It's not white people.
And thinking about it, this demographic pretty much hold sway over the 5th estate as well.
Can no-one guess who they are? This is their power...we've been conditioned not to see it...
So you don't know either! lol
It's men
Here was me thinking you had some massive scoop to disclose!
I am of course being facetitious, even though all of those things I said are true...
But could you imagine the backlash if people reacted to men the way they react to Muslims? I think it would be same reaction if gangs of white taxi drivers up and down the country were abusing young girls but they would be caught quicker by the police how do you think the Muslim community would react if gangs of white taxi drivers were abusing young Muslim girls up and down the country pls don’t have a hissy fit I’m just turning the table like you have ?
They would say there was a problem with people like YOU. Would that be fair?"I would say not,if by you,you mean white males. Just like not all muslims are peadophiles a minority are. The same would be true for white idegenous people. | |||
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"I'm going to guess white people .Do I win prize .
It's not white people.
And thinking about it, this demographic pretty much hold sway over the 5th estate as well.
Can no-one guess who they are? This is their power...we've been conditioned not to see it...
So you don't know either! lol
It's men
Here was me thinking you had some massive scoop to disclose!
I am of course being facetitious, even though all of those things I said are true...
But could you imagine the backlash if people reacted to men the way they react to Muslims? I think it would be same reaction if gangs of white taxi drivers up and down the country were abusing young girls but they would be caught quicker by the police how do you think the Muslim community would react if gangs of white taxi drivers were abusing young Muslim girls up and down the country pls don’t have a hissy fit I’m just turning the table like you have ?
They would say there was a problem with people like YOU. Would that be fair?"do you mean white males or me personally lol | |||
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"But could you imagine the backlash if people reacted to men the way they react to Muslims? I think it would be same reaction if gangs of white taxi drivers up and down the country were abusing young girls but they would be caught quicker by the police how do you think the Muslim community would react if gangs of white taxi drivers were abusing young Muslim girls up and down the country pls don’t have a hissy fit I’m just turning the table like you have ?" I don't think you've really understood the point. The scenario that I painted - the one in which there was some huge conspiracy that stretched across every echelon of society is one that people like to try and insist is in place for the protection of Muslims. It doesn't exist. That's not to say there were not massive failings, but that was due to incompetence rather than conspiracy. However, the situation that I painted *does* actually exist - though perhaps not to the exact degree in which I've portrayed it, nevertheless it is not a hypothetical. Men do most of the child abuse. Men exercise most of the power in the police, the courts, in politics and in the media. Men have and will continue to protect other men from receiving justice for their crimes or being criticised for their actions, and anyone who has the temerity to point this out gets labelled a man-hating feminazi. In other words - all of the conspiracies that people *think* are protecting Muslims (but don't actually exist) but *are* in place to protect men, who - let's not forget - are almost always the one fucking kids. So why is there no-one saying "Let's do X and Y to men! Men have got a cultural problem! They don't fit in with our social values!" This is not a rant by the way. These are genuine questions that I'd like someone to try and answer | |||
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"It's funny how the people who are most upset about this sort of thing happening are the same sort of people who vote for the party who have cut 23,000 police in the last 8 years. Also less social workers, less probation officers, less prison staff, less children and family support etc etc etc. You think people who vote for liberal or labour think it's not such a serious crime as those who vote tory would think? Do you count yourself amongst those who think it's not such a serious crime as someone who votes tory would think? I think the people who shout the loudest about it are the ones who chose to strip the myriad of overlapping and complementary support services away that would have stopped it happening in the first place. So what you are saying is that it has happened only during tory governments, and that tory governments and those who vote tory are to blame for it? And for that reason you aren't quite so upset about it. Wow. No, I am not saying child abuse only happened during Tory governments. What I am saying is that drastic cuts to police and other services happens during Tory governments (and Tory led coalitions). Like I said, there has been a fall of 23,000 police officers since 2010. I think it's obvious to most people that less instances of child abuse if there were 23,000 more police officers than there are today. Therefore those who voted for such cuts are very much responsible. I do think that child sexual abuse and exploitation is very much a bad thing, that's why I vote to fund services that would stop it. Others vote to cut funding for such services, you would have to ask them why they would do such a thing." I have to say I am not comfortable with your last paragraph. You think child sexual abuse and exploitation is a "bad thing" is that it like its go sit on the naughty step !!! You seem to think that funding cuts are more of a "bad thing" Whilst I dont agree with wholesale funding cuts and there may be an arguement for some cuts, I havent done the research, however no matter how much funding and police you have we will never be able to stop all the abuse. But on the whole we do need more police and more funding across the whole spectrum. But sexual abuse,exploitation of children and adults is truly abhorrent and the full weight of the law should be used,regardless of race,creed or colour | |||
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"It's funny how the people who are most upset about this sort of thing happening are the same sort of people who vote for the party who have cut 23,000 police in the last 8 years. Also less social workers, less probation officers, less prison staff, less children and family support etc etc etc. You think people who vote for liberal or labour think it's not such a serious crime as those who vote tory would think? Do you count yourself amongst those who think it's not such a serious crime as someone who votes tory would think? I think the people who shout the loudest about it are the ones who chose to strip the myriad of overlapping and complementary support services away that would have stopped it happening in the first place. So what you are saying is that it has happened only during tory governments, and that tory governments and those who vote tory are to blame for it? And for that reason you aren't quite so upset about it. Wow. No, I am not saying child abuse only happened during Tory governments. What I am saying is that drastic cuts to police and other services happens during Tory governments (and Tory led coalitions). Like I said, there has been a fall of 23,000 police officers since 2010. I think it's obvious to most people that less instances of child abuse if there were 23,000 more police officers than there are today. Therefore those who voted for such cuts are very much responsible. I do think that child sexual abuse and exploitation is very much a bad thing, that's why I vote to fund services that would stop it. Others vote to cut funding for such services, you would have to ask them why they would do such a thing. I have to say I am not comfortable with your last paragraph. You think child sexual abuse and exploitation is a "bad thing" is that it like its go sit on the naughty step !!! You seem to think that funding cuts are more of a "bad thing" Whilst I dont agree with wholesale funding cuts and there may be an arguement for some cuts, I havent done the research, however no matter how much funding and police you have we will never be able to stop all the abuse. But on the whole we do need more police and more funding across the whole spectrum. But sexual abuse,exploitation of children and adults is truly abhorrent and the full weight of the law should be used,regardless of race,creed or colour" I totally agree the whole spectrum needs to be looked at from the abuse to the making and distributors of child pornography to grooming and for these sick individuals to be castrated and the loss of their masculinity is a start as we have not got enough room in the prisons to lock them all up. | |||
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"I'm going to guess white people .Do I win prize .
It's not white people.
And thinking about it, this demographic pretty much hold sway over the 5th estate as well.
Can no-one guess who they are? This is their power...we've been conditioned not to see it...
So you don't know either! lol
It's men
Here was me thinking you had some massive scoop to disclose!
I am of course being facetitious, even though all of those things I said are true...
But could you imagine the backlash if people reacted to men the way they react to Muslims? I think it would be same reaction if gangs of white taxi drivers up and down the country were abusing young girls but they would be caught quicker by the police how do you think the Muslim community would react if gangs of white taxi drivers were abusing young Muslim girls up and down the country pls don’t have a hissy fit I’m just turning the table like you have ?
They would say there was a problem with people like YOU. Would that be fair?
I would say not,if by you,you mean white males.
Just like not all muslims are peadophiles a minority are.
The same would be true for white idegenous people."Perhaps you haven't read this thread well. People have said that this is a cultural problem, not the fault of the individuals. | |||
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"I'm going to guess white people .Do I win prize .
It's not white people.
And thinking about it, this demographic pretty much hold sway over the 5th estate as well.
Can no-one guess who they are? This is their power...we've been conditioned not to see it...
So you don't know either! lol
It's men
Here was me thinking you had some massive scoop to disclose!
I am of course being facetitious, even though all of those things I said are true...
But could you imagine the backlash if people reacted to men the way they react to Muslims? I think it would be same reaction if gangs of white taxi drivers up and down the country were abusing young girls but they would be caught quicker by the police how do you think the Muslim community would react if gangs of white taxi drivers were abusing young Muslim girls up and down the country pls don’t have a hissy fit I’m just turning the table like you have ?
They would say there was a problem with people like YOU. Would that be fair?
I would say not,if by you,you mean white males.
Just like not all muslims are peadophiles a minority are.
The same would be true for white idegenous people.
Perhaps you haven't read this thread well. People have said that this is a cultural problem, not the fault of the individuals. "Cultural, institutionalised it is an epidemic which ever way you look at it x | |||
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"I'm going to guess white people .Do I win prize .
It's not white people.
And thinking about it, this demographic pretty much hold sway over the 5th estate as well.
Can no-one guess who they are? This is their power...we've been conditioned not to see it...
So you don't know either! lol
It's men
Here was me thinking you had some massive scoop to disclose!
I am of course being facetitious, even though all of those things I said are true...
But could you imagine the backlash if people reacted to men the way they react to Muslims? I think it would be same reaction if gangs of white taxi drivers up and down the country were abusing young girls but they would be caught quicker by the police how do you think the Muslim community would react if gangs of white taxi drivers were abusing young Muslim girls up and down the country pls don’t have a hissy fit I’m just turning the table like you have ?
They would say there was a problem with people like YOU. Would that be fair?
I would say not,if by you,you mean white males.
Just like not all muslims are peadophiles a minority are.
The same would be true for white idegenous people.
Perhaps you haven't read this thread well. People have said that this is a cultural problem, not the fault of the individuals. "_lcc do you think it’s a cultural problem ? | |||
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"I'm going to guess white people .Do I win prize .
It's not white people.
And thinking about it, this demographic pretty much hold sway over the 5th estate as well.
Can no-one guess who they are? This is their power...we've been conditioned not to see it...
So you don't know either! lol
It's men
Here was me thinking you had some massive scoop to disclose!
I am of course being facetitious, even though all of those things I said are true...
But could you imagine the backlash if people reacted to men the way they react to Muslims? I think it would be same reaction if gangs of white taxi drivers up and down the country were abusing young girls but they would be caught quicker by the police how do you think the Muslim community would react if gangs of white taxi drivers were abusing young Muslim girls up and down the country pls don’t have a hissy fit I’m just turning the table like you have ?
They would say there was a problem with people like YOU. Would that be fair?
I would say not,if by you,you mean white males.
Just like not all muslims are peadophiles a minority are.
The same would be true for white idegenous people.
Perhaps you haven't read this thread well. People have said that this is a cultural problem, not the fault of the individuals.
Cultural, institutionalised it is an epidemic which ever way you look at it x"Just like the Catholics right? | |||
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"I'm going to guess white people .Do I win prize .
It's not white people.
And thinking about it, this demographic pretty much hold sway over the 5th estate as well.
Can no-one guess who they are? This is their power...we've been conditioned not to see it...
So you don't know either! lol
It's men
Here was me thinking you had some massive scoop to disclose!
I am of course being facetitious, even though all of those things I said are true...
But could you imagine the backlash if people reacted to men the way they react to Muslims? I think it would be same reaction if gangs of white taxi drivers up and down the country were abusing young girls but they would be caught quicker by the police how do you think the Muslim community would react if gangs of white taxi drivers were abusing young Muslim girls up and down the country pls don’t have a hissy fit I’m just turning the table like you have ?
They would say there was a problem with people like YOU. Would that be fair?
I would say not,if by you,you mean white males.
Just like not all muslims are peadophiles a minority are.
The same would be true for white idegenous people.
Perhaps you haven't read this thread well. People have said that this is a cultural problem, not the fault of the individuals. _lcc do you think it’s a cultural problem ?"There is no country in the world that doesn't have child sexual abuse unfortunately. | |||
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"So why aren't people on the streets demonstrating against Catholics because if the worldwide abuse of children by priests and nuns and the subsequent cover up by the church? It's almost as if they don't really have children's welfare at heart" That's how it seems to me too. Like they have an axe to grind and are willing to use the tears of the victims to wet the blade. Beyond deplorable. | |||
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"So why aren't people on the streets demonstrating against Catholics because if the worldwide abuse of children by priests and nuns and the subsequent cover up by the church? It's almost as if they don't really have children's welfare at heart" Good point, I guess it's because Catholicism embraces a culture they understand and are part of, therefore they know it would be ridiculous to suggest it's a cultural problem amongst Catholics because it simply isn't. Asians on the other hand are a convenient whipping boy, victims of ill conceived logic ie..most grooming gangs are Asian, therefore paedophilia must be endemic in Asian culture. | |||
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"So why aren't people on the streets demonstrating against Catholics because if the worldwide abuse of children by priests and nuns and the subsequent cover up by the church? It's almost as if they don't really have children's welfare at heart That's how it seems to me too. Like they have an axe to grind and are willing to use the tears of the victims to wet the blade. Beyond deplorable. " | |||
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"So why aren't people on the streets demonstrating against Catholics because if the worldwide abuse of children by priests and nuns and the subsequent cover up by the church? It's almost as if they don't really have children's welfare at heart Good point, I guess it's because Catholicism embraces a culture they understand and are part of, therefore they know it would be ridiculous to suggest it's a cultural problem amongst Catholics because it simply isn't. Asians on the other hand are a convenient whipping boy, victims of ill conceived logic ie..most grooming gangs are Asian, therefore paedophilia must be endemic in Asian culture." The catholic issue was individuals, which the group covered up. I suspect the reaction here was the scale of the organisation to enact the depravity. | |||
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"So why aren't people on the streets demonstrating against Catholics because if the worldwide abuse of children by priests and nuns and the subsequent cover up by the church? It's almost as if they don't really have children's welfare at heart Good point, I guess it's because Catholicism embraces a culture they understand and are part of, therefore they know it would be ridiculous to suggest it's a cultural problem amongst Catholics because it simply isn't. Asians on the other hand are a convenient whipping boy, victims of ill conceived logic ie..most grooming gangs are Asian, therefore paedophilia must be endemic in Asian culture." This gets to the heart of it. | |||
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"So why aren't people on the streets demonstrating against Catholics because if the worldwide abuse of children by priests and nuns and the subsequent cover up by the church? It's almost as if they don't really have children's welfare at heart Good point, I guess it's because Catholicism embraces a culture they understand and are part of, therefore they know it would be ridiculous to suggest it's a cultural problem amongst Catholics because it simply isn't. Asians on the other hand are a convenient whipping boy, victims of ill conceived logic ie..most grooming gangs are Asian, therefore paedophilia must be endemic in Asian culture. This gets to the heart of it. " A controversial other reason... we react to female victims more than we do male victims ... | |||
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"So why aren't people on the streets demonstrating against Catholics because if the worldwide abuse of children by priests and nuns and the subsequent cover up by the church? It's almost as if they don't really have children's welfare at heart Good point, I guess it's because Catholicism embraces a culture they understand and are part of, therefore they know it would be ridiculous to suggest it's a cultural problem amongst Catholics because it simply isn't. Asians on the other hand are a convenient whipping boy, victims of ill conceived logic ie..most grooming gangs are Asian, therefore paedophilia must be endemic in Asian culture. The catholic issue was individuals, which the group covered up. I suspect the reaction here was the scale of the organisation to enact the depravity. " Individuals? There are cases where it has been endemic in children's homes.... If the others aren't joining in, they are complicit. | |||
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"I'm going to guess white people .Do I win prize .
It's not white people.
And thinking about it, this demographic pretty much hold sway over the 5th estate as well.
Can no-one guess who they are? This is their power...we've been conditioned not to see it...
So you don't know either! lol
It's men
Here was me thinking you had some massive scoop to disclose!
I am of course being facetitious, even though all of those things I said are true...
But could you imagine the backlash if people reacted to men the way they react to Muslims? I think it would be same reaction if gangs of white taxi drivers up and down the country were abusing young girls but they would be caught quicker by the police how do you think the Muslim community would react if gangs of white taxi drivers were abusing young Muslim girls up and down the country pls don’t have a hissy fit I’m just turning the table like you have ?
They would say there was a problem with people like YOU. Would that be fair?
I would say not,if by you,you mean white males.
Just like not all muslims are peadophiles a minority are.
The same would be true for white idegenous people.
Perhaps you haven't read this thread well. People have said that this is a cultural problem, not the fault of the individuals.
Cultural, institutionalised it is an epidemic which ever way you look at it x
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"So why aren't people on the streets demonstrating against Catholics because if the worldwide abuse of children by priests and nuns and the subsequent cover up by the church? It's almost as if they don't really have children's welfare at heart Good point, I guess it's because Catholicism embraces a culture they understand and are part of, therefore they know it would be ridiculous to suggest it's a cultural problem amongst Catholics because it simply isn't. Asians on the other hand are a convenient whipping boy, victims of ill conceived logic ie..most grooming gangs are Asian, therefore paedophilia must be endemic in Asian culture. This gets to the heart of it. A controversial other reason... we react to female victims more than we do male victims ... " Another good point | |||
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"But with all this happening, who could with a good and clear conscience vote for fewer police officers, fewer prison officers, fewer children's centres, cuts to social services etc? " every time this topic comes up this gets rolled out the cuts by the tories plenty of police and social workers new. About the rochdale case but none had the balls to step up | |||
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"But with all this happening, who could with a good and clear conscience vote for fewer police officers, fewer prison officers, fewer children's centres, cuts to social services etc? every time this topic comes up this gets rolled out the cuts by the tories plenty of police and social workers new. About the rochdale case but none had the balls to step up " Cuts to these services make things worse for invulnerable people. Is that something that you voted for? | |||
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"But with all this happening, who could with a good and clear conscience vote for fewer police officers, fewer prison officers, fewer children's centres, cuts to social services etc? every time this topic comes up this gets rolled out the cuts by the tories plenty of police and social workers new. About the rochdale case but none had the balls to step up " So many defenceless children that should be protected slip through the net. Praise to all those whistle blowers who speak up x | |||
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"But with all this happening, who could with a good and clear conscience vote for fewer police officers, fewer prison officers, fewer children's centres, cuts to social services etc? every time this topic comes up this gets rolled out the cuts by the tories plenty of police and social workers new. About the rochdale case but none had the balls to step up So many defenceless children that should be protected slip through the net. Praise to all those whistle blowers who speak up x" Don't you agree that an extra 23,000 police officers would stop as many children slipping through the net? | |||
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"But with all this happening, who could with a good and clear conscience vote for fewer police officers, fewer prison officers, fewer children's centres, cuts to social services etc? every time this topic comes up this gets rolled out the cuts by the tories plenty of police and social workers new. About the rochdale case but none had the balls to step up Cuts to these services make things worse for invulnerable people. Is that something that you voted for?" I know you like to think your educating ppl on here _lcc so thanx for that I never new cuts make things worse and no that’s not what I voted for and as iv answered your question can you answer mine from earlier when you said YOU did you mean me personally or all white males ? | |||
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"But with all this happening, who could with a good and clear conscience vote for fewer police officers, fewer prison officers, fewer children's centres, cuts to social services etc? every time this topic comes up this gets rolled out the cuts by the tories plenty of police and social workers new. About the rochdale case but none had the balls to step up So many defenceless children that should be protected slip through the net. Praise to all those whistle blowers who speak up x Don't you agree that an extra 23,000 police officers would stop as many children slipping through the net? " that would help but you do know these young girls arnt commuting a crime standing outside shops you know the police dint pic kids up and take them home | |||
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"But with all this happening, who could with a good and clear conscience vote for fewer police officers, fewer prison officers, fewer children's centres, cuts to social services etc? every time this topic comes up this gets rolled out the cuts by the tories plenty of police and social workers new. About the rochdale case but none had the balls to step up So many defenceless children that should be protected slip through the net. Praise to all those whistle blowers who speak up x Don't you agree that an extra 23,000 police officers would stop as many children slipping through the net? " Not just police but social workers and family support workers too everything is being cut and the individual case workers I feel for them and their work loads x | |||
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"But with all this happening, who could with a good and clear conscience vote for fewer police officers, fewer prison officers, fewer children's centres, cuts to social services etc? every time this topic comes up this gets rolled out the cuts by the tories plenty of police and social workers new. About the rochdale case but none had the balls to step up Cuts to these services make things worse for invulnerable people. Is that something that you voted for? I know you like to think your educating ppl on here _lcc so thanx for that I never new cuts make things worse and no that’s not what I voted for and as iv answered your question can you answer mine from earlier when you said YOU did you mean me personally or all white males ?" All white males. So you have never voted for a Tory government or council? | |||
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"But with all this happening, who could with a good and clear conscience vote for fewer police officers, fewer prison officers, fewer children's centres, cuts to social services etc? every time this topic comes up this gets rolled out the cuts by the tories plenty of police and social workers new. About the rochdale case but none had the balls to step up So many defenceless children that should be protected slip through the net. Praise to all those whistle blowers who speak up x Don't you agree that an extra 23,000 police officers would stop as many children slipping through the net? Not just police but social workers and family support workers too everything is being cut and the individual case workers I feel for them and their work loads x" They are, all being cut by the Tories, why would people vote Tory if they cared about these things. | |||
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"But with all this happening, who could with a good and clear conscience vote for fewer police officers, fewer prison officers, fewer children's centres, cuts to social services etc? every time this topic comes up this gets rolled out the cuts by the tories plenty of police and social workers new. About the rochdale case but none had the balls to step up So many defenceless children that should be protected slip through the net. Praise to all those whistle blowers who speak up x Don't you agree that an extra 23,000 police officers would stop as many children slipping through the net? that would help but you do know these young girls arnt commuting a crime standing outside shops you know the police dint pic kids up and take them home " The children are the victims, not the criminals. | |||
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"I'm going to guess white people .Do I win prize .
It's not white people.
And thinking about it, this demographic pretty much hold sway over the 5th estate as well.
Can no-one guess who they are? This is their power...we've been conditioned not to see it...
So you don't know either! lol
It's men
Here was me thinking you had some massive scoop to disclose!
I am of course being facetitious, even though all of those things I said are true...
But could you imagine the backlash if people reacted to men the way they react to Muslims? I think it would be same reaction if gangs of white taxi drivers up and down the country were abusing young girls but they would be caught quicker by the police how do you think the Muslim community would react if gangs of white taxi drivers were abusing young Muslim girls up and down the country pls don’t have a hissy fit I’m just turning the table like you have ?
They would say there was a problem with people like YOU. Would that be fair?
I would say not,if by you,you mean white males.
Just like not all muslims are peadophiles a minority are.
The same would be true for white idegenous people.
Perhaps you haven't read this thread well. People have said that this is a cultural problem, not the fault of the individuals. "So why ask if it was people like YOU | |||
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"I'm going to guess white people .Do I win prize .
It's not white people.
And thinking about it, this demographic pretty much hold sway over the 5th estate as well.
Can no-one guess who they are? This is their power...we've been conditioned not to see it...
So you don't know either! lol
It's men
Here was me thinking you had some massive scoop to disclose!
I am of course being facetitious, even though all of those things I said are true...
But could you imagine the backlash if people reacted to men the way they react to Muslims? I think it would be same reaction if gangs of white taxi drivers up and down the country were abusing young girls but they would be caught quicker by the police how do you think the Muslim community would react if gangs of white taxi drivers were abusing young Muslim girls up and down the country pls don’t have a hissy fit I’m just turning the table like you have ?
They would say there was a problem with people like YOU. Would that be fair?
I would say not,if by you,you mean white males.
Just like not all muslims are peadophiles a minority are.
The same would be true for white idegenous people.
Perhaps you haven't read this thread well. People have said that this is a cultural problem, not the fault of the individuals.
So why ask if it was people like YOU"I don't understand your statement, or was it meant to be a question? | |||
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"Well done to the Police for doing the thourgh investigation. This vermin won't be in the community spreading depravity and misery. " Well done police???? sorry but it took them 7 years. Not all deported either. They should serve their sentence in there home country. That would send a message | |||
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"Well done to the Police for doing the thourgh investigation. This vermin won't be in the community spreading depravity and misery. Well done police???? sorry but it took them 7 years. Not all deported either. They should serve their sentence in there home country. That would send a message " To whom? | |||
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"I'm going to guess white people .Do I win prize .
It's not white people.
And thinking about it, this demographic pretty much hold sway over the 5th estate as well.
Can no-one guess who they are? This is their power...we've been conditioned not to see it...
So you don't know either! lol
It's men
Here was me thinking you had some massive scoop to disclose!
I am of course being facetitious, even though all of those things I said are true...
But could you imagine the backlash if people reacted to men the way they react to Muslims? I think it would be same reaction if gangs of white taxi drivers up and down the country were abusing young girls but they would be caught quicker by the police how do you think the Muslim community would react if gangs of white taxi drivers were abusing young Muslim girls up and down the country pls don’t have a hissy fit I’m just turning the table like you have ?
They would say there was a problem with people like YOU. Would that be fair?
I would say not,if by you,you mean white males.
Just like not all muslims are peadophiles a minority are.
The same would be true for white idegenous people.
Perhaps you haven't read this thread well. People have said that this is a cultural problem, not the fault of the individuals.
So why ask if it was people like YOU
I don't understand your statement, or was it meant to be a question?"I’m not gonna put myself in the firing line so instead il point you to a few scary stats. Check out the percentage of convicted pedophiles then compare it to the amount of Muslims in uk. Half the number to allow for male and females then check out the percentage of that particular group. You will be shocked beyond repale | |||
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"Well done to the Police for doing the thourgh investigation. This vermin won't be in the community spreading depravity and misery. Well done police???? sorry but it took them 7 years. Not all deported either. They should serve their sentence in there home country. That would send a message To whom? " To those who are still at it up and down the country. | |||
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"I'm going to guess white people .Do I win prize .
It's not white people.
And thinking about it, this demographic pretty much hold sway over the 5th estate as well.
Can no-one guess who they are? This is their power...we've been conditioned not to see it...
So you don't know either! lol
It's men
Here was me thinking you had some massive scoop to disclose!
I am of course being facetitious, even though all of those things I said are true...
But could you imagine the backlash if people reacted to men the way they react to Muslims? I think it would be same reaction if gangs of white taxi drivers up and down the country were abusing young girls but they would be caught quicker by the police how do you think the Muslim community would react if gangs of white taxi drivers were abusing young Muslim girls up and down the country pls don’t have a hissy fit I’m just turning the table like you have ?
They would say there was a problem with people like YOU. Would that be fair?
I would say not,if by you,you mean white males.
Just like not all muslims are peadophiles a minority are.
The same would be true for white idegenous people.
Perhaps you haven't read this thread well. People have said that this is a cultural problem, not the fault of the individuals.
So why ask if it was people like YOU
I don't understand your statement, or was it meant to be a question?
I’m not gonna put myself in the firing line so instead il point you to a few scary stats.
Check out the percentage of convicted pedophiles then compare it to the amount of Muslims in uk. Half the number to allow for male and females then check out the percentage of that particular group. You will be shocked beyond repale "What has the total number of paediphiles as expressed as a % if Muslim men show ? | |||
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"I'm going to guess white people .Do I win prize .
It's not white people.
And thinking about it, this demographic pretty much hold sway over the 5th estate as well.
Can no-one guess who they are? This is their power...we've been conditioned not to see it...
So you don't know either! lol
It's men
Here was me thinking you had some massive scoop to disclose!
I am of course being facetitious, even though all of those things I said are true...
But could you imagine the backlash if people reacted to men the way they react to Muslims? I think it would be same reaction if gangs of white taxi drivers up and down the country were abusing young girls but they would be caught quicker by the police how do you think the Muslim community would react if gangs of white taxi drivers were abusing young Muslim girls up and down the country pls don’t have a hissy fit I’m just turning the table like you have ?
They would say there was a problem with people like YOU. Would that be fair?
I would say not,if by you,you mean white males.
Just like not all muslims are peadophiles a minority are.
The same would be true for white idegenous people.
Perhaps you haven't read this thread well. People have said that this is a cultural problem, not the fault of the individuals.
So why ask if it was people like YOU
I don't understand your statement, or was it meant to be a question?
I’m not gonna put myself in the firing line so instead il point you to a few scary stats.
Check out the percentage of convicted pedophiles then compare it to the amount of Muslims in uk. Half the number to allow for male and females then check out the percentage of that particular group. You will be shocked beyond repale
What has the total number of paediphiles as expressed as a % if Muslim men show ? "It shows a scary trend. Check out the facts on tw tr. I’m not racist one bit. The whole racist card in this country is used far to much considering how accommodating we are and open to other cultures. If u have kids in your family research this for yourself. I’m not gonna be shot as the messenger. | |||
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"Well if Tommy Robinson had been aloud to do what he does best these peodos would have been brought to justice along time ago " Eh? He's not a paedo "Cook Report" is he? In all of the cases, they had been caught (not by him) and were on trial. All he did was disrupt said trials, meaning it was more likely they would get off. So; he clearly doesn't care about the victims- he's helping the accused. | |||
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"Well if Tommy Robinson had been aloud to do what he does best these peodos would have been brought to justice along time ago " How would promoting, publicising and promoting the profile of Tommy Robinson (because after all, *that* is what he does best) helped bring anyone to justice? | |||
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"It shows a scary trend. Check out the facts on tw tr. I’m not racist one bit. The whole racist card in this country is used far to much considering how accommodating we are and open to other cultures. If u have kids in your family research this for yourself. I’m not gonna be shot as the messenger. " Treating data like that would not show a scary trend, it would show a meaningless load of bollocks. Can you not recognise how ridiculous that methodology is? "Take the number of paedophiles, compare it the number of Muslims, halve it..." - that's not analysis, it sounds more like a shit magic trick | |||
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"Well done to the Police for doing the thourgh investigation. This vermin won't be in the community spreading depravity and misery. Well done police???? sorry but it took them 7 years. Not all deported either. They should serve their sentence in there home country. That would send a message To whom? To those who are still at it up and down the country. " So a British paedophile would be sent a message that they will serve their prison sentence in Britain? I don't think that's as much if a deterrent as you think it might be. | |||
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"I'm going to guess white people .Do I win prize .
It's not white people.
And thinking about it, this demographic pretty much hold sway over the 5th estate as well.
Can no-one guess who they are? This is their power...we've been conditioned not to see it...
So you don't know either! lol
It's men
Here was me thinking you had some massive scoop to disclose!
I am of course being facetitious, even though all of those things I said are true...
But could you imagine the backlash if people reacted to men the way they react to Muslims? I think it would be same reaction if gangs of white taxi drivers up and down the country were abusing young girls but they would be caught quicker by the police how do you think the Muslim community would react if gangs of white taxi drivers were abusing young Muslim girls up and down the country pls don’t have a hissy fit I’m just turning the table like you have ?
They would say there was a problem with people like YOU. Would that be fair?
I would say not,if by you,you mean white males.
Just like not all muslims are peadophiles a minority are.
The same would be true for white idegenous people.
Perhaps you haven't read this thread well. People have said that this is a cultural problem, not the fault of the individuals.
So why ask if it was people like YOU
I don't understand your statement, or was it meant to be a question?
I’m not gonna put myself in the firing line so instead il point you to a few scary stats.
Check out the percentage of convicted pedophiles then compare it to the amount of Muslims in uk. Half the number to allow for male and females then check out the percentage of that particular group. You will be shocked beyond repale "Actually I have asked somebody to post this data twice before. I would be interested to see: Number of Asian child abusers in the UK vs total number of Asian men in the UK Number of white child abusers in the UK vs total number number of white men in the UK Then please tell me if you should look at a man with dark skin with any more suspicion than one with white skin. I'm not saying that there is no specific problem to investigate and resolve. I'm saying that if you look at the data this way you will still be disgusted, as we all should, but you won't feel the fear of someone slightly different to you that some people would have you feel. If anyone can find this data I'd be interested. | |||
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" Check out the percentage of convicted pedophiles then compare it to the amount of Muslims in uk. Half the number to allow for male and females then check out the percentage of that particular group. You will be shocked beyond repale "This doesn't even make sense, look at the first half of your first sentence, "check out the percentage of convicted paedophiles". What percentage? The percentage that are paedophiles? well that would be 100% Check out the percentage of convicted paedophiles which a bachelor's degree or higher? Check out the percentage under 5ft 6? Check out WHAT percentage? Wikipedia says the Muslim population of the UK is 2.6m. If we assume half of them are male, that would give us 1.3m male Muslims in the UK. Some will be children, some will be too old or infirm, so let's round it down to a cool 1 million. In 2000 Det Chief Insp Bob McLachlan, then the head of Scotland Yard’s paedophile unit, extrapolated from this number to suggest that there may have been as many as 250,000 paedophiles living among us, including those not convicted. Are you trying to suggest that ALL paedophiles are Muslim and that 1 in 4 Muslims are paedophiles? | |||
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" Are you trying to suggest that ALL paedophiles are Muslim and that 1 in 4 Muslims are paedophiles? " I agree his post is confusing but where does he suggest all paedophiles are Muslim? | |||
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"Actually I have asked somebody to post this data twice before. I would be interested to see: Number of Asian child abusers in the UK vs total number of Asian men in the UK Number of white child abusers in the UK vs total number number of white men in the UK Then please tell me if you should look at a man with dark skin with any more suspicion than one with white skin. I'm not saying that there is no specific problem to investigate and resolve. I'm saying that if you look at the data this way you will still be disgusted, as we all should, but you won't feel the fear of someone slightly different to you that some people would have you feel. If anyone can find this data I'd be interested." And actually, don't forget that with a smaller population each individual becomes disprotionally significant as well... | |||
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" Are you trying to suggest that ALL paedophiles are Muslim and that 1 in 4 Muslims are paedophiles? I agree his post is confusing but where does he suggest all paedophiles are Muslim?" His post doesn't make sense, that's why I asked him the question you have quoted. If he had said it it, I wouldn't have asked him the question. | |||
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"Actually I have asked somebody to post this data twice before. I would be interested to see: Number of Asian child abusers in the UK vs total number of Asian men in the UK Number of white child abusers in the UK vs total number number of white men in the UK Then please tell me if you should look at a man with dark skin with any more suspicion than one with white skin. I'm not saying that there is no specific problem to investigate and resolve. I'm saying that if you look at the data this way you will still be disgusted, as we all should, but you won't feel the fear of someone slightly different to you that some people would have you feel. If anyone can find this data I'd be interested. And actually, don't forget that with a smaller population each individual becomes disprotionally significant as well... " So victims of white abusers should be told their abuse isn't as significant as those abused by non-white abusers? | |||
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" They are, all being cut by the Tories, why would people vote Tory if they cared about these things. " Labour controlled Rotherham Metropolitan Borough Council was found "not fit for purpose" and taken over by government commissioners because of it's failure to act on reports of organised child sexual abuse throughout most late 1980s until the 2010s period. Why would people vote Labour if they cared about children? Are those who voted these councillors in responsible for the abuse? | |||
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" They are, all being cut by the Tories, why would people vote Tory if they cared about these things. Labour controlled Rotherham Metropolitan Borough Council was found "not fit for purpose" and taken over by government commissioners because of it's failure to act on reports of organised child sexual abuse throughout most late 1980s until the 2010s period. Why would people vote Labour if they cared about children? Are those who voted these councillors in responsible for the abuse? " Because that is poor individuals, not party policy. Pretty obvious. | |||
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" Are you trying to suggest that ALL paedophiles are Muslim and that 1 in 4 Muslims are paedophiles? I agree his post is confusing but where does he suggest all paedophiles are Muslim? His post doesn't make sense, that's why I asked him the question you have quoted. If he had said it it, I wouldn't have asked him the question. " But where does he suggest all paedophiles are Muslim? He couldn't have suggested 1 in 4 Muslims are paedophiles because he didn't quote any statistics from Wikipedia nor from Det Chief Insp Bob McLachlan. You did the suggesting on that. | |||
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" They are, all being cut by the Tories, why would people vote Tory if they cared about these things. Labour controlled Rotherham Metropolitan Borough Council was found "not fit for purpose" and taken over by government commissioners because of it's failure to act on reports of organised child sexual abuse throughout most late 1980s until the 2010s period. Why would people vote Labour if they cared about children? Are those who voted these councillors in responsible for the abuse? Because that is poor individuals, not party policy. Pretty obvious. " Because that is poor individuals? Now you're not making sense. Do you mean only poor individuals vote Labour Or poor individuals who vote Labour are responsible for the abuse? Show me where it is Conservative party policy to cut police numbers so more child abuse can take place? According to Iraq Body Count, between 2003 and 2011, coalition forces killed at least 1,201 children in Iraq alone. Was it Labour (and Tory/Lib Dem) policy to murder children? | |||
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" They are, all being cut by the Tories, why would people vote Tory if they cared about these things. Labour controlled Rotherham Metropolitan Borough Council was found "not fit for purpose" and taken over by government commissioners because of it's failure to act on reports of organised child sexual abuse throughout most late 1980s until the 2010s period. Why would people vote Labour if they cared about children? Are those who voted these councillors in responsible for the abuse? Because that is poor individuals, not party policy. Pretty obvious. Because that is poor individuals? Now you're not making sense. Do you mean only poor individuals vote Labour Or poor individuals who vote Labour are responsible for the abuse? Show me where it is Conservative party policy to cut police numbers so more child abuse can take place? According to Iraq Body Count, between 2003 and 2011, coalition forces killed at least 1,201 children in Iraq alone. Was it Labour (and Tory/Lib Dem) policy to murder children? " Don't even go there historical child abuse and politicians less police the better it is for the sicko's can you see the pattern x | |||
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" They are, all being cut by the Tories, why would people vote Tory if they cared about these things. Labour controlled Rotherham Metropolitan Borough Council was found "not fit for purpose" and taken over by government commissioners because of it's failure to act on reports of organised child sexual abuse throughout most late 1980s until the 2010s period. Why would people vote Labour if they cared about children? Are those who voted these councillors in responsible for the abuse? Because that is poor individuals, not party policy. Pretty obvious. Because that is poor individuals? Now you're not making sense. Do you mean only poor individuals vote Labour Or poor individuals who vote Labour are responsible for the abuse? Show me where it is Conservative party policy to cut police numbers so more child abuse can take place? According to Iraq Body Count, between 2003 and 2011, coalition forces killed at least 1,201 children in Iraq alone. Was it Labour (and Tory/Lib Dem) policy to murder children? " They were poor at their jobs, I wasn't making a comment on their financial status. 
What do you think happens when you drastically cut police numbers, prison officers, support services etc? You appear to be implying that Tory voters are unable to discern the consequences of their actions unless it has been spelt out in a manifesto. I give them more credit and think they are smart enough to know the consequences of their actions.
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"This all happened over a very long period with lots of people who were (to different degrees) culpable. I’m struggling to see how it can be put down to one decision by one political party, so this thread has started to read (imo at least) like political point scoring. Appreciate others will have different views ... but wanted to throw out at least one person is finding it a bit distasteful. " I'm not trying to blame 1 party for what happened, but if people really care about this issue, and aren't, as has been pointed out by multiple other posters, simply using this as an excuse to vent islamaphobia/racism/xenophobia, then they would be horrified that there are 23,000 police officers since 2010. Also, this isn't about political point scoring, it's simply that by cutting services for children, cutting police officers and prison staff and other support services, all those things will have a detrimental impact on the must vulnerable in our society. No matter what party is in government, there will always be bad people, and bad things will happen. That's why there are police and prisons in every country in the world. But parties in government have ways and means to have an impact on levels of crime, abuse, neglect etc. Although some on here would like to believe that that is not to case, and that services can be cut without impact, and that's just not true. The accumlative impact of cuts to a very wide range of services does negatively impact servive users and wider society. | |||
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"The independant review was damning of the leadership within the forces and other organisations, not the people in the floor, or under resources. I’m not going to say more people wouldn’t have helped, I’m just not sure it was the contributing factor which means had we not have voted tory and /or had there not have been cuts, then we would have avoided or reduced this. " In one specific case, or in child protection up and down the country? | |||
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"It shows a scary trend. Check out the facts on tw tr. I’m not racist one bit. The whole racist card in this country is used far to much considering how accommodating we are and open to other cultures. If u have kids in your family research this for yourself. I’m not gonna be shot as the messenger. Treating data like that would not show a scary trend, it would show a meaningless load of bollocks. Can you not recognise how ridiculous that methodology is? "Take the number of paedophiles, compare it the number of Muslims, halve it..." - that's not analysis, it sounds more like a shit magic trick" Did you do it??? Well shhhh | |||
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"I'm going to guess white people .Do I win prize .
It's not white people.
And thinking about it, this demographic pretty much hold sway over the 5th estate as well.
Can no-one guess who they are? This is their power...we've been conditioned not to see it...
So you don't know either! lol
It's men
Here was me thinking you had some massive scoop to disclose!
I am of course being facetitious, even though all of those things I said are true...
But could you imagine the backlash if people reacted to men the way they react to Muslims? I think it would be same reaction if gangs of white taxi drivers up and down the country were abusing young girls but they would be caught quicker by the police how do you think the Muslim community would react if gangs of white taxi drivers were abusing young Muslim girls up and down the country pls don’t have a hissy fit I’m just turning the table like you have ?
They would say there was a problem with people like YOU. Would that be fair?
I would say not,if by you,you mean white males.
Just like not all muslims are peadophiles a minority are.
The same would be true for white idegenous people.
Perhaps you haven't read this thread well. People have said that this is a cultural problem, not the fault of the individuals.
So why ask if it was people like YOU
I don't understand your statement, or was it meant to be a question?
I’m not gonna put myself in the firing line so instead il point you to a few scary stats.
Check out the percentage of convicted pedophiles then compare it to the amount of Muslims in uk. Half the number to allow for male and females then check out the percentage of that particular group. You will be shocked beyond repale
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"It shows a scary trend. Check out the facts on tw tr. I’m not racist one bit. The whole racist card in this country is used far to much considering how accommodating we are and open to other cultures. If u have kids in your family research this for yourself. I’m not gonna be shot as the messenger. Treating data like that would not show a scary trend, it would show a meaningless load of bollocks. Can you not recognise how ridiculous that methodology is? "Take the number of paedophiles, compare it the number of Muslims, halve it..." - that's not analysis, it sounds more like a shit magic trick Did you do it??? Well shhhh " I don't need to do it to see that it is the worse kind of abuse of statistics that has no validity or legitimacy. It's stuff like this that embodies the expression "Lies, damn lies and statistics" Data should not be made to fit the preconceived conclusion...the conclusion should be drawn from the data. This is awful. | |||
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"I'm going to guess white people .Do I win prize .
It's not white people.
And thinking about it, this demographic pretty much hold sway over the 5th estate as well.
Can no-one guess who they are? This is their power...we've been conditioned not to see it...
So you don't know either! lol
It's men
Here was me thinking you had some massive scoop to disclose!
I am of course being facetitious, even though all of those things I said are true...
But could you imagine the backlash if people reacted to men the way they react to Muslims? I think it would be same reaction if gangs of white taxi drivers up and down the country were abusing young girls but they would be caught quicker by the police how do you think the Muslim community would react if gangs of white taxi drivers were abusing young Muslim girls up and down the country pls don’t have a hissy fit I’m just turning the table like you have ?
They would say there was a problem with people like YOU. Would that be fair?
I would say not,if by you,you mean white males.
Just like not all muslims are peadophiles a minority are.
The same would be true for white idegenous people.
Perhaps you haven't read this thread well. People have said that this is a cultural problem, not the fault of the individuals.
So why ask if it was people like YOU
I don't understand your statement, or was it meant to be a question?
I’m not gonna put myself in the firing line so instead il point you to a few scary stats.
Check out the percentage of convicted pedophiles then compare it to the amount of Muslims in uk. Half the number to allow for male and females then check out the percentage of that particular group. You will be shocked beyond repale
What has the total number of paediphiles as expressed as a % if Muslim men show ?
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"It shows a scary trend. Check out the facts on tw tr. I’m not racist one bit. The whole racist card in this country is used far to much considering how accommodating we are and open to other cultures. If u have kids in your family research this for yourself. I’m not gonna be shot as the messenger. Treating data like that would not show a scary trend, it would show a meaningless load of bollocks. Can you not recognise how ridiculous that methodology is? "Take the number of paedophiles, compare it the number of Muslims, halve it..." - that's not analysis, it sounds more like a shit magic trick Did you do it??? Well shhhh I don't need to do it to see that it is the worse kind of abuse of statistics that has no validity or legitimacy. It's stuff like this that embodies the expression "Lies, damn lies and statistics" Data should not be made to fit the preconceived conclusion...the conclusion should be drawn from the data. This is awful. " Take your head out the sand and think for yourself read In an inquiry by the Office of the Children’s Commissioner in 2012, 36 per cent of victims of group or gang child abuse identified their attackers as white, 27 per cent as Asian, 16 per cent as black, with 16 per cent unspecified. Asian sorry south Asian more specific represent only 7.5 % population. Yet 27% have been ID’d. Also 100% convicted of grooming in gangs are also Muslim. Do you not think that the figures are worrying. Please do t reply until you research because your segueing with no stars or facts. | |||
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"I'm going to guess white people .Do I win prize .
It's not white people.
And thinking about it, this demographic pretty much hold sway over the 5th estate as well.
Can no-one guess who they are? This is their power...we've been conditioned not to see it...
So you don't know either! lol
It's men
Here was me thinking you had some massive scoop to disclose!
I am of course being facetitious, even though all of those things I said are true...
But could you imagine the backlash if people reacted to men the way they react to Muslims? I think it would be same reaction if gangs of white taxi drivers up and down the country were abusing young girls but they would be caught quicker by the police how do you think the Muslim community would react if gangs of white taxi drivers were abusing young Muslim girls up and down the country pls don’t have a hissy fit I’m just turning the table like you have ?
They would say there was a problem with people like YOU. Would that be fair?
I would say not,if by you,you mean white males.
Just like not all muslims are peadophiles a minority are.
The same would be true for white idegenous people.
Perhaps you haven't read this thread well. People have said that this is a cultural problem, not the fault of the individuals.
So why ask if it was people like YOU
I don't understand your statement, or was it meant to be a question?
I’m not gonna put myself in the firing line so instead il point you to a few scary stats.
Check out the percentage of convicted pedophiles then compare it to the amount of Muslims in uk. Half the number to allow for male and females then check out the percentage of that particular group. You will be shocked beyond repale
What has the total number of paediphiles as expressed as a % if Muslim men show ?
Don’t shoot the messenger do the research if your interested in protecting children.
If you're interested in 'protecting children' you would base your case on properly presented evidence, telling someone to 'do the research' proves nothing.
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"It shows a scary trend. Check out the facts on tw tr. I’m not racist one bit. The whole racist card in this country is used far to much considering how accommodating we are and open to other cultures. If u have kids in your family research this for yourself. I’m not gonna be shot as the messenger. Treating data like that would not show a scary trend, it would show a meaningless load of bollocks. Can you not recognise how ridiculous that methodology is? "Take the number of paedophiles, compare it the number of Muslims, halve it..." - that's not analysis, it sounds more like a shit magic trick Did you do it??? Well shhhh I don't need to do it to see that it is the worse kind of abuse of statistics that has no validity or legitimacy. It's stuff like this that embodies the expression "Lies, damn lies and statistics" Data should not be made to fit the preconceived conclusion...the conclusion should be drawn from the data. This is awful. Take your head out the sand and think for yourself read In an inquiry by the Office of the Children’s Commissioner in 2012, 36 per cent of victims of group or gang child abuse identified their attackers as white, 27 per cent as Asian, 16 per cent as black, with 16 per cent unspecified. Asian sorry south Asian more specific represent only 7.5 % population. Yet 27% have been ID’d. Also 100% convicted of grooming in gangs are also Muslim. Do you not think that the figures are worrying. Please do t reply until you research because your segueing with no stars or facts. " You're summary refers to Type 1 offences, groups who target victims based on their vulnerability, in this group Asians are significantly over represented. However the Type 2 group, groups who have a long term interest in the abuse of children the majority of offenders are white. The vast majority of sexual offences against children is perpetrated by individuals, again the vast majority being white male abusers. To use your own words, 'do you not think that's worrying' or more interestingly do you think it represents a malaise in white culture (thats a playful remark, personally I don't). | |||
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"Take your head out the sand and think for yourself read In an inquiry by the Office of the Children’s Commissioner in 2012, 36 per cent of victims of group or gang child abuse identified their attackers as white, 27 per cent as Asian, 16 per cent as black, with 16 per cent unspecified. Asian sorry south Asian more specific represent only 7.5 % population. Yet 27% have been ID’d. Also 100% convicted of grooming in gangs are also Muslim. Do you not think that the figures are worrying. Please do t reply until you research because your segueing with no stars or facts. " I think your treatment of the figures, including the conclusions you draw, are extremely worrying... The way I see it is this: this is a hugely complex case, with myriad factors involved and a litany of failings ranging in size that allowed this to happen. Searching for some simplistic solution that is catchy and appealing, but ultimately one-dimensional and lacking all nuance, is not going to protect children. Fundamentally, this is what it comes down to and this what irks me about so many of the responses in threads like this...people seem more interested in punishing the offenders after the fact, rather than trying to protect the victims before it happens. And if anyone thinks that simply deporting a few guys that got caught, or chopping their balls off, or hanging them is gonna do anything to prevent this from happening again or protect innocent or vulnerable children, then I'm afraid you're a fucking cretin that needs to leave the thinking to the grown ups. Those are not solutions. They're not even a sticking plaster temporary fix. All they are is attempts to satisfy our thirst for justice - and in the interests of clarity, I absolutely believe that these fuckers should be held accountable and brought to justice - but it's not my priority. To my mind the far more pressing issue is not how we punish the perpetrators, but how do we protect potential future victims? How can we mitigate the circumstances that led to this horrific situation in the first place? One thing I know for sure is that by turning this into a diatribe against one particular culture, creating an unnecessary and unproductive "us vs them" mentality, which will always inherently cause divisions amongst ourselves at the same time - these things will not help protect vulnerable children. Nor will getting emotional about it. The emotional parts of the brain are not the parts associated with rational, analytical thought - hence why every good propagandist tries to create an emotional response in the audience, because that way they won't call bullshit. We need to have a calm, rational and sensible discussion about how we stop this happening, but that is currently made impossible by the fevered atmosphere that has been created around this whole sorry shambles. So what we as a society need to do is actually sit down and ask ourselves how and why this actually happened. "Because Muslims are paedos" is not a good enough answer. "Because people are afraid of being called racist" is not good enough either. We need to look beyond the superficial and actually get down to the root cause. Treating the symptom is not the same as providing a cure. Do I think this is a Muslim problem? No. Do I think this is a Pakistani problem? No. If memory serves me correctly, most of the people in these gangs come from quite a specific region within Pakistan, so do I think it might be a problem stemming from that particular region? Quite possibly, I need to see more evidence. If we banned people from that region, is it going to fix the problem? No. Oh...well what then? If we are going to fix the problem, we need to understand the problem - properly - and right now all we're getting is "Muslims are the problem" because it's simple and it's catchy and it's superficially appealing, and on top of all that it means someone somewhere doesn't have to do all the hard work and raise the difficult question of "how the fuck are we actually gonna stop this" But by all means - if you think deporting all the Muslims means our kids ain't gonna get fiddled with, you go for it. But my hot prediction: disappointing results | |||
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"It shows a scary trend. Check out the facts on tw tr. I’m not racist one bit. The whole racist card in this country is used far to much considering how accommodating we are and open to other cultures. If u have kids in your family research this for yourself. I’m not gonna be shot as the messenger. Treating data like that would not show a scary trend, it would show a meaningless load of bollocks. Can you not recognise how ridiculous that methodology is? "Take the number of paedophiles, compare it the number of Muslims, halve it..." - that's not analysis, it sounds more like a shit magic trick Did you do it??? Well shhhh I don't need to do it to see that it is the worse kind of abuse of statistics that has no validity or legitimacy. It's stuff like this that embodies the expression "Lies, damn lies and statistics" Data should not be made to fit the preconceived conclusion...the conclusion should be drawn from the data. This is awful. Take your head out the sand and think for yourself read In an inquiry by the Office of the Children’s Commissioner in 2012, 36 per cent of victims of group or gang child abuse identified their attackers as white, 27 per cent as Asian, 16 per cent as black, with 16 per cent unspecified. Asian sorry south Asian more specific represent only 7.5 % population. Yet 27% have been ID’d. Also 100% convicted of grooming in gangs are also Muslim. Do you not think that the figures are worrying. Please do t reply until you research because your segueing with no stars or facts. You're summary refers to Type 1 offences, groups who target victims based on their vulnerability, in this group Asians are significantly over represented. However the Type 2 group, groups who have a long term interest in the abuse of children the majority of offenders are white. The vast majority of sexual offences against children is perpetrated by individuals, again the vast majority being white male abusers. To use your own words, 'do you not think that's worrying' or more interestingly do you think it represents a malaise in white culture (thats a playful remark, personally I don't). " Also there is a difference between child abuse and pedophiles these grooming gangs were targeting teenage girls x | |||
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"It shows a scary trend. Check out the facts on tw tr. I’m not racist one bit. The whole racist card in this country is used far to much considering how accommodating we are and open to other cultures. If u have kids in your family research this for yourself. I’m not gonna be shot as the messenger. Treating data like that would not show a scary trend, it would show a meaningless load of bollocks. Can you not recognise how ridiculous that methodology is? "Take the number of paedophiles, compare it the number of Muslims, halve it..." - that's not analysis, it sounds more like a shit magic trick Did you do it??? Well shhhh I don't need to do it to see that it is the worse kind of abuse of statistics that has no validity or legitimacy. It's stuff like this that embodies the expression "Lies, damn lies and statistics" Data should not be made to fit the preconceived conclusion...the conclusion should be drawn from the data. This is awful. Take your head out the sand and think for yourself read In an inquiry by the Office of the Children’s Commissioner in 2012, 36 per cent of victims of group or gang child abuse identified their attackers as white, 27 per cent as Asian, 16 per cent as black, with 16 per cent unspecified. Asian sorry south Asian more specific represent only 7.5 % population. Yet 27% have been ID’d. Also 100% convicted of grooming in gangs are also Muslim. Do you not think that the figures are worrying. Please do t reply until you research because your segueing with no stars or facts. " Thanks for providing the source. The report also warns to view the data with caution and it can’t be extrapolated. It was just the % within the sample they looked at. They highlighted there may have been biases within this source which could have created these results. Now I’m not saying there isn’t a problem. Different analysis seems to be pointing to similar answers. However care needs to be taken. Similarly this relates to gang or group offences. Not all cases. So it may be Asians tend to work in groups rather than alone, but the proportion (as a whole) is in line with population splits. | |||
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"The independant review was damning of the leadership within the forces and other organisations, not the people in the floor, or under resources. I’m not going to say more people wouldn’t have helped, I’m just not sure it was the contributing factor which means had we not have voted tory and /or had there not have been cuts, then we would have avoided or reduced this. In one specific case, or in child protection up and down the country?" It was for Rotherham. Given the thread and comments on specific councils I thought this is where the debate was being focussed. | |||
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"This all happened over a very long period with lots of people who were (to different degrees) culpable. I’m struggling to see how it can be put down to one decision by one political party, so this thread has started to read (imo at least) like political point scoring. Appreciate others will have different views ... but wanted to throw out at least one person is finding it a bit distasteful. I'm not trying to blame 1 party for what happened, but if people really care about this issue, and aren't, as has been pointed out by multiple other posters, simply using this as an excuse to vent islamaphobia/racism/xenophobia, then they would be horrified that there are 23,000 police officers since 2010. Also, this isn't about political point scoring, it's simply that by cutting services for children, cutting police officers and prison staff and other support services, all those things will have a detrimental impact on the must vulnerable in our society. No matter what party is in government, there will always be bad people, and bad things will happen. That's why there are police and prisons in every country in the world. But parties in government have ways and means to have an impact on levels of crime, abuse, neglect etc. Although some on here would like to believe that that is not to case, and that services can be cut without impact, and that's just not true. The accumlative impact of cuts to a very wide range of services does negatively impact servive users and wider society. " _lcc every time this topic comes up you harp on about the 23000 police cuts by the time the police investergate these crimes they have all ready committed the crimes I don’t know what you think the 23000 extra police will do dress up as young girls stand outside shops undercover ? The problem can only be solved in the community by ther community leaders educating these sick shites not the POLICE | |||
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"It shows a scary trend. Check out the facts on tw tr. I’m not racist one bit. The whole racist card in this country is used far to much considering how accommodating we are and open to other cultures. If u have kids in your family research this for yourself. I’m not gonna be shot as the messenger. Treating data like that would not show a scary trend, it would show a meaningless load of bollocks. Can you not recognise how ridiculous that methodology is? "Take the number of paedophiles, compare it the number of Muslims, halve it..." - that's not analysis, it sounds more like a shit magic trick Did you do it??? Well shhhh I don't need to do it to see that it is the worse kind of abuse of statistics that has no validity or legitimacy. It's stuff like this that embodies the expression "Lies, damn lies and statistics" Data should not be made to fit the preconceived conclusion...the conclusion should be drawn from the data. This is awful. Take your head out the sand and think for yourself read In an inquiry by the Office of the Children’s Commissioner in 2012, 36 per cent of victims of group or gang child abuse identified their attackers as white, 27 per cent as Asian, 16 per cent as black, with 16 per cent unspecified. Asian sorry south Asian more specific represent only 7.5 % population. Yet 27% have been ID’d. Also 100% convicted of grooming in gangs are also Muslim. Do you not think that the figures are worrying. Please do t reply until you research because your segueing with no stars or facts. You're summary refers to Type 1 offences, groups who target victims based on their vulnerability, in this group Asians are significantly over represented. However the Type 2 group, groups who have a long term interest in the abuse of children the majority of offenders are white. The vast majority of sexual offences against children is perpetrated by individuals, again the vast majority being white male abusers. To use your own words, 'do you not think that's worrying' or more interestingly do you think it represents a malaise in white culture (thats a playful remark, personally I don't). Also there is a difference between child abuse and pedophiles these grooming gangs were targeting teenage girls x" Phew! I was starting to worry.. | |||
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"The independant review was damning of the leadership within the forces and other organisations, not the people in the floor, or under resources. I’m not going to say more people wouldn’t have helped, I’m just not sure it was the contributing factor which means had we not have voted tory and /or had there not have been cuts, then we would have avoided or reduced this. In one specific case, or in child protection up and down the country? It was for Rotherham. Given the thread and comments on specific councils I thought this is where the debate was being focussed. " I'm talking about child protection in a wider context. | |||
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"A do the confidential police phone lines get many calls from the Asian community?, from local Rochdale Asian people dobbing the evil bastards in?, NO THEY DON'T. Those on here with the most pious opinions don't live in Rochdale. We got local schools here with 26 different dialects spoken, something to ponder. " What is there to ponder, please enlighten us? More significantly why are you placing any responsibility on the Asian community to 'dob them in'? The nature of this type of offending is it's committed in a conspiracy of silence, they're unlikely to be going home and regaling their friends & families about their nefarious activities. Are non Asian communities privvy to the activities of abusers in their midst? | |||
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"A do the confidential police phone lines get many calls from the Asian community?, from local Rochdale Asian people dobbing the evil bastards in?, NO THEY DON'T. Those on here with the most pious opinions don't live in Rochdale. We got local schools here with 26 different dialects spoken, something to ponder. " How do you know? Do you work on the police switchboard. What has 26 dialects got to do with anything? | |||
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