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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Enough of the fighting, chill out a bit and enjoy life, no?
It'll all be fine in the end....no one will die....ok maybe a handful ...but not that many more than are usually dying of poverty or fake wars.
We've heard all the same arguments over and over in every thread. The same BS. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Enough of the fighting, chill out a bit and enjoy life, no?
It'll all be fine in the end....no one will die....ok maybe a handful ...but not that many more than are usually dying of poverty or fake wars.
We've heard all the same arguments over and over in every thread. The same BS. "
 yep, its boring now. |
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"Enough of the fighting, chill out a bit and enjoy life, no?
It'll all be fine in the end....no one will die....ok maybe a handful ...but not that many more than are usually dying of poverty or fake wars.
We've heard all the same arguments over and over in every thread. The same BS. "
Yeah I agree, we’ve all got different opinions on what will happen but nobody really knows, we’re all experts from behind a keyboard. Has anyone on here invested money based on what they think the result will be ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"As a Brexiter I am enjoying life. Very much looking forward to leaving the EU in March 2019. Life couldn't be better.
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Same. Won a fair bit in Brexit at the bookies, they all laughed when I placed the bet but I’m laughing now. My company profits have increased, more contracts coming in from Europe and North America than ever before.
House prices are expected to fall, which means I will go into the buy to let market, further expanding my portfolio and profits. Thus hiring more people.
Despite all this I still have remoaners, moaning about losing. YOU LOST. Get over it and make something of it. If remain won, I wouldn’t be moaning I’d just get on with life.
Yes some jobs will be lost but jobs will also be made. Yes some will have to re train, it’s life and could work out for the better. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The brexit cluster fuck has been the most entertaining 2 years in politics.Seeing the brexitemist and far right uber flag wavers here get twisted panties over the ever softening brexit is a deliciously moorish spectcle to watch .
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'moorish spectcle'?
What has this to do with the Muslim inhabitants of the Maghreb? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The brexit cluster fuck has been the most entertaining 2 years in politics.Seeing the brexitemist and far right uber flag wavers here get twisted panties over the ever softening brexit is a deliciously moorish spectcle to watch .
'moorish spectcle'?
What has this to do with the Muslim inhabitants of the Maghreb?"
Moreish spectacle .
Or it could be described as ,such a pleasure to watch you come back for more . |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Enough of the fighting, chill out a bit and enjoy life, no?
It'll all be fine in the end....no one will die....ok maybe a handful ...but not that many more than are usually dying of poverty or fake wars.
We've heard all the same arguments over and over in every thread. The same BS. "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"As a Brexiter I am enjoying life. Very much looking forward to leaving the EU in March 2019. Life couldn't be better.
Same. Won a fair bit in Brexit at the bookies, they all laughed when I placed the bet but I’m laughing now. My company profits have increased, more contracts coming in from Europe and North America than ever before.
House prices are expected to fall, which means I will go into the buy to let market, further expanding my portfolio and profits. Thus hiring more people.
Despite all this I still have remoaners, moaning about losing. YOU LOST. Get over it and make something of it. If remain won, I wouldn’t be moaning I’d just get on with life.
Yes some jobs will be lost but jobs will also be made. Yes some will have to re train, it’s life and could work out for the better."
Can we have an update in 18 months time please? |
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"As a Brexiter I am enjoying life. Very much looking forward to leaving the EU in March 2019. Life couldn't be better.
Funny you should say that considering how much you shit the bed about Brexit after the chequers plan was announced "
I don't think the chequers plan will fly either with the EU or our own Parliament. We're heading for a no deal brexit in March 2019. Best way really a complete clean break is what I'd personally prefer. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Just a shame that after all this talking nobody still knows what will the UK after brexit look like. It’s a really sad spectacle really... "
Yes it is, they are willing to sacrifice everything, all for just a blue passport, lets hope northern ireland can still be in the eu.
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By *omaMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
It makes me laugh when I read all these "expert" opinions from both sides. . . Somehow these people seem to know ALL of the answers yet know Jack Shit.
Doom and gloom mostly of how our economy will collapse and our country will fall into absolute anarchy almost
Then the other side saying we will now be free and there's a croc of gold just over the horizon
No one, and I mean no one knows what the future holds . . Wether we stay or leave it's all out of sight |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"It makes me laugh when I read all these "expert" opinions from both sides. . . Somehow these people seem to know ALL of the answers yet know Jack Shit.
Doom and gloom mostly of how our economy will collapse and our country will fall into absolute anarchy almost
Then the other side saying we will now be free and there's a croc of gold just over the horizon
No one, and I mean no one knows what the future holds . . Wether we stay or leave it's all out of sight "
The art of the educated guess is still possible |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"As a Brexiter I am enjoying life. Very much looking forward to leaving the EU in March 2019. Life couldn't be better.
Funny you should say that considering how much you shit the bed about Brexit after the chequers plan was announced
I don't think the chequers plan will fly either with the EU or our own Parliament. We're heading for a no deal brexit in March 2019. Best way really a complete clean break is what I'd personally prefer. "
Or an eternal transition period |
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"Well said
Are you not a Leave supporter? yes but what’s yr point ?
So you voted for a crock of gold over the horizon.
It could equally well be a crock of shit.
Fair?"
I said well said to the part about all these expert opinions and know one knowing the future or should I just stay out of it as I’m a leave voter sorry if I offended you I’m sure you know best mate |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Well said
Are you not a Leave supporter? yes but what’s yr point ?
So you voted for a crock of gold over the horizon.
It could equally well be a crock of shit.
Fair? I said well said to the part about all these expert opinions and know one knowing the future or should I just stay out of it as I’m a leave voter sorry if I offended you I’m sure you know best mate "
So you only wished to acknowledge part of his statement?
Not both parts of his position?
I think he is almost entirely correct.
There has and is a lot of apocalyptic language about leaving.
I think that it will function but our life will be a bit worse and the UK will be diminished in the world. There will be no upside unless "being in control" is a source of particular happiness to an individual.
What I argue with on here is the fairy dust assertions about trade deals and doing things on our own which will fly us over the rainbow to the mythical crock of gold. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Very true, no one does know the future but what can be done is to be truthful and realistic in taking the pros & cons and weighing them up to get a damn good idea on the probable outcome. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Well said
Are you not a Leave supporter? yes but what’s yr point ?
So you voted for a crock of gold over the horizon.
It could equally well be a crock of shit.
Fair? I said well said to the part about all these expert opinions and know one knowing the future or should I just stay out of it as I’m a leave voter sorry if I offended you I’m sure you know best mate
So you only wished to acknowledge part of his statement?
Not both parts of his position?
I think he is almost entirely correct.
There has and is a lot of apocalyptic language about leaving.
I think that it will function but our life will be a bit worse and the UK will be diminished in the world. There will be no upside unless "being in control" is a source of particular happiness to an individual.
What I argue with on here is the fairy dust assertions about trade deals and doing things on our own which will fly us over the rainbow to the mythical crock of gold."
I'm sure there's a proverb or two about those who only find ruin when greed and the goldbug gets the better of them |
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By *omaMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
"Well said
Are you not a Leave supporter?"
I didn't cast my vote at the time of the referendum. . I wasn't in the country.
I was torn between leave or remain. Both have advantages and disadvantages.
I accept the majority decision. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Just a shame that after all this talking nobody still knows what will the UK after brexit look like. It’s a really sad spectacle really... Yes it is, they are willing to sacrifice everything, all for just a blue passport, lets hope northern ireland can still be in the eu."
Typical ignorance from a remainer,you remainers are a simple lot
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By *omaMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
"Very true, no one does know the future but what can be done is to be truthful and realistic in taking the pros & cons and weighing them up to get a damn good idea on the probable outcome."
Yes I agree to that up until you got to the "probable outcome"
I believe everyone was told by both sides , the EU and UK government that nothing is agreed until all is agreed. . .
There is still a game of poker to be played by both sides and it's far from clear what is and what isn't.
Until clarity comes along then "probability" doesn't work in my book |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"Just a shame that after all this talking nobody still knows what will the UK after brexit look like. It’s a really sad spectacle really... Yes it is, they are willing to sacrifice everything, all for just a blue passport, lets hope northern ireland can still be in the eu.Typical ignorance from a remainer,you remainers are a simple lot"
Statistics do not bear that out. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Well said
Are you not a Leave supporter?
I didn't cast my vote at the time of the referendum. . I wasn't in the country.
I was torn between leave or remain. Both have advantages and disadvantages.
I accept the majority decision."
I didn't mean you, I was addressing the post below yours.
I think that your points are very valid.
The campaign material was laughable from both sides. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Very true, no one does know the future but what can be done is to be truthful and realistic in taking the pros & cons and weighing them up to get a damn good idea on the probable outcome.
Yes I agree to that up until you got to the "probable outcome"
I believe everyone was told by both sides , the EU and UK government that nothing is agreed until all is agreed. . .
There is still a game of poker to be played by both sides and it's far from clear what is and what isn't.
Until clarity comes along then "probability" doesn't work in my book"
The problem is the government doesn't seem to be really following what the "Country" actually voted for & may only end up with what the majority wanted by accident |
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"It makes me laugh when I read all these "expert" opinions from both sides. . . Somehow these people seem to know ALL of the answers yet know Jack Shit.
Doom and gloom mostly of how our economy will collapse and our country will fall into absolute anarchy almost
Then the other side saying we will now be free and there's a croc of gold just over the horizon
No one, and I mean no one knows what the future holds . . Wether we stay or leave it's all out of sight
The art of the educated guess is still possible "
I'd say you can do better than 'an educated guess'. I can predict, with a very high level of certainly that, because the sun set this evening and because the earth spins round on its access, the sun WILL rise tomorrow morning. In exactly the same way I can predict that if you make it harder to trade with your richest, biggest and closest trading partners you're going to worse off.
It's not rocket science. Trying to kid yourself that BREXIT will end up doing anything other than make the nation poorer is like trying to pretend that you believe there is a realistic chance that the sun won't rise tomorrow morning. |
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"Well said
Are you not a Leave supporter?
I didn't cast my vote at the time of the referendum. . I wasn't in the country.
I was torn between leave or remain. Both have advantages and disadvantages.
I accept the majority decision."
That sounds very balanced but, if there ever were and still are economic advantages to leaving maybe now would be the time for Leave to tell us what they are. |
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"Just a shame that after all this talking nobody still knows what will the UK after brexit look like. It’s a really sad spectacle really... Yes it is, they are willing to sacrifice everything, all for just a blue passport, lets hope northern ireland can still be in the eu.Typical ignorance from a remainer,you remainers are a simple lot"
Then maybe you can enlighten our ignorance and inform us all how making it harder to trade with our biggest, richest and closest trading partners in favour of, as yet no favourable terms of trade, trading with countries that are all either smaller, poorer and/or much further away is going to make us wealthier?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It makes me laugh when I read all these "expert" opinions from both sides. . . Somehow these people seem to know ALL of the answers yet know Jack Shit.
Doom and gloom mostly of how our economy will collapse and our country will fall into absolute anarchy almost
Then the other side saying we will now be free and there's a croc of gold just over the horizon
No one, and I mean no one knows what the future holds . . Wether we stay or leave it's all out of sight
The art of the educated guess is still possible
I'd say you can do better than 'an educated guess'. I can predict, with a very high level of certainly that, because the sun set this evening and because the earth spins round on its access, the sun WILL rise tomorrow morning. In exactly the same way I can predict that if you make it harder to trade with your richest, biggest and closest trading partners you're going to worse off.
It's not rocket science. Trying to kid yourself that BREXIT will end up doing anything other than make the nation poorer is like trying to pretend that you believe there is a realistic chance that the sun won't rise tomorrow morning."
to be fair one is based on both science and many many thousands of observable incidents. The other is a rarer occurrence (has it ever been done?) and consequences are based on a looser kind of social(ish) science. The two aren’t quite as equivalent as made out here. |
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"It makes me laugh when I read all these "expert" opinions from both sides. . . Somehow these people seem to know ALL of the answers yet know Jack Shit.
Doom and gloom mostly of how our economy will collapse and our country will fall into absolute anarchy almost
Then the other side saying we will now be free and there's a croc of gold just over the horizon
No one, and I mean no one knows what the future holds . . Wether we stay or leave it's all out of sight
The art of the educated guess is still possible
I'd say you can do better than 'an educated guess'. I can predict, with a very high level of certainly that, because the sun set this evening and because the earth spins round on its access, the sun WILL rise tomorrow morning. In exactly the same way I can predict that if you make it harder to trade with your richest, biggest and closest trading partners you're going to worse off.
It's not rocket science. Trying to kid yourself that BREXIT will end up doing anything other than make the nation poorer is like trying to pretend that you believe there is a realistic chance that the sun won't rise tomorrow morning.to be fair one is based on both science and many many thousands of observable incidents. The other is a rarer occurrence (has it ever been done?) and consequences are based on a looser kind of social(ish) science. The two aren’t quite as equivalent as made out here. "
Making it harder for a country to trade with their richest, biggest and closest trading partners has been done before. It's normal called economic sanctions and is normally inflicted on a country by others as a businessment. I'll agree with you that no country, until now, has inflicted economic sanctions on itself for the claimed benefit of being able to change the colour of it's passport (which it could have done any how), but economic sanctions always bite over time and the fact that the UK is self imposing these economic sanctions on itself won't change that.
It really is as simple and clear as the sun rising and setting. If you make it harder to trade with your richest, biggest and closest trading partners you're going to end up worse off. It's called cause and effect. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"It makes me laugh when I read all these "expert" opinions from both sides. . . Somehow these people seem to know ALL of the answers yet know Jack Shit.
Doom and gloom mostly of how our economy will collapse and our country will fall into absolute anarchy almost
Then the other side saying we will now be free and there's a croc of gold just over the horizon
No one, and I mean no one knows what the future holds . . Wether we stay or leave it's all out of sight
The art of the educated guess is still possible
I'd say you can do better than 'an educated guess'. I can predict, with a very high level of certainly that, because the sun set this evening and because the earth spins round on its access, the sun WILL rise tomorrow morning. In exactly the same way I can predict that if you make it harder to trade with your richest, biggest and closest trading partners you're going to worse off.
It's not rocket science. Trying to kid yourself that BREXIT will end up doing anything other than make the nation poorer is like trying to pretend that you believe there is a realistic chance that the sun won't rise tomorrow morning.to be fair one is based on both science and many many thousands of observable incidents. The other is a rarer occurrence (has it ever been done?) and consequences are based on a looser kind of social(ish) science. The two aren’t quite as equivalent as made out here. "
Agreed.
Economics wants to be a science but isn't. Too much unpredictability....
That said I'm showing that every theory has limits of applicability.
I agree with craken on the most likely outcome ...but accepting the chance of curve balls and 180 degree changes. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It makes me laugh when I read all these "expert" opinions from both sides. . . Somehow these people seem to know ALL of the answers yet know Jack Shit.
Doom and gloom mostly of how our economy will collapse and our country will fall into absolute anarchy almost
Then the other side saying we will now be free and there's a croc of gold just over the horizon
No one, and I mean no one knows what the future holds . . Wether we stay or leave it's all out of sight
The art of the educated guess is still possible
I'd say you can do better than 'an educated guess'. I can predict, with a very high level of certainly that, because the sun set this evening and because the earth spins round on its access, the sun WILL rise tomorrow morning. In exactly the same way I can predict that if you make it harder to trade with your richest, biggest and closest trading partners you're going to worse off.
It's not rocket science. Trying to kid yourself that BREXIT will end up doing anything other than make the nation poorer is like trying to pretend that you believe there is a realistic chance that the sun won't rise tomorrow morning.to be fair one is based on both science and many many thousands of observable incidents. The other is a rarer occurrence (has it ever been done?) and consequences are based on a looser kind of social(ish) science. The two aren’t quite as equivalent as made out here.
Agreed.
Economics wants to be a science but isn't. Too much unpredictability....
That said I'm showing that every theory has limits of applicability.
I agree with craken on the most likely outcome ...but accepting the chance of curve balls and 180 degree changes. "
The old argument of "before we joined ....."
What people forget is that the world has charged dramatically since then. The WTO which everyone spouts on about was "reinvented " in the 90's to its current form, and now with Trumps unilateral decisions on trade he has probably fucked the whole world order. You can argue that's not a bad thing, but when you screw the rules what you get is anarchy! This is the worst senario for the UK and brexit.
Also you can see how the US want to trade - as long as they are "winning " the other party being the "loser" that's ok. The UK already export more than they import with the US so that will reverse. Finally how long is it going to take to do a trade deal? US have suggested about 2 years. Ok we have how many people qualified to do these deals? How many can they negotiate at the same time? It's going to take years before the UK gets back to where it is at the moment - unless we can "copy and paste" The trade deals we have now as EU members! Somehow I doubt it but Dr Liam Fox is confident just like "doing a deal with the EU is going to be the easiest in history ". Logistical nightmare is looming! |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"It makes me laugh when I read all these "expert" opinions from both sides. . . Somehow these people seem to know ALL of the answers yet know Jack Shit.
Doom and gloom mostly of how our economy will collapse and our country will fall into absolute anarchy almost
Then the other side saying we will now be free and there's a croc of gold just over the horizon
No one, and I mean no one knows what the future holds . . Wether we stay or leave it's all out of sight
The art of the educated guess is still possible
I'd say you can do better than 'an educated guess'. I can predict, with a very high level of certainly that, because the sun set this evening and because the earth spins round on its access, the sun WILL rise tomorrow morning. In exactly the same way I can predict that if you make it harder to trade with your richest, biggest and closest trading partners you're going to worse off.
It's not rocket science. Trying to kid yourself that BREXIT will end up doing anything other than make the nation poorer is like trying to pretend that you believe there is a realistic chance that the sun won't rise tomorrow morning.to be fair one is based on both science and many many thousands of observable incidents. The other is a rarer occurrence (has it ever been done?) and consequences are based on a looser kind of social(ish) science. The two aren’t quite as equivalent as made out here.
Making it harder for a country to trade with their richest, biggest and closest trading partners has been done before. It's normal called economic sanctions and is normally inflicted on a country by others as a businessment. I'll agree with you that no country, until now, has inflicted economic sanctions on itself for the claimed benefit of being able to change the colour of it's passport (which it could have done any how), but economic sanctions always bite over time and the fact that the UK is self imposing these economic sanctions on itself won't change that.
It really is as simple and clear as the sun rising and setting. If you make it harder to trade with your richest, biggest and closest trading partners you're going to end up worse off. It's called cause and effect."
Self-imposed economic sanctions make for an interesting description.
My opinion is that we will continue trade in goods and produce pretty much as now but take EU rules and pay for the privilege.
There will be immigration changes.
It will be called an EU climb-down and most Leave voters will be happy because of immigration.
We will probably be able to roll over these same deals with other countries with EU trade deals as long as we maintain EU standards.
Nothing on services. |
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I am and was a remainer. Personally I think that the whole referendum was handled badly from both sides and only used as a tool but David Cameron to gain power.
However, the the politicians that are dealing with Brexit had a brain cell between them I would say fair enough. Brexit won. Because of their incompetence I think there should be a people’s vote after the negotiations are complete. If Brexit still wins then fair play and remainers should respect that. Damm if they were competent I would say fair enough and accept the result. The level of incompetence in Westminster from both parties is just shocking at the moment. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"There should be a people's vote you're right. But not leave or remain, we're leaving. The question should only be deal or no deal. "
I would agree with you if no deal was an option presented to the public as being at all likely.
It was not. Happy to see anything that suggests otherwise. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"There should be a people's vote you're right. But not leave or remain, we're leaving. The question should only be deal or no deal.
I would agree with you if no deal was an option presented to the public as being at all likely.
It was not. Happy to see anything that suggests otherwise."
Leading Leave campaigners like Daniel Hannan were saying even AFTER the referendum that we would stay in the single market and still have free movement of labour, so it's clear that people were voting for different things. |
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"There should be a people's vote you're right. But not leave or remain, we're leaving. The question should only be deal or no deal.
I would agree with you if no deal was an option presented to the public as being at all likely.
It was not. Happy to see anything that suggests otherwise."
I would suggest most voted without a deal in mind. More a clean break. Id say certainly most leavers that I've talked to, expected a "no deal" certainly not a colossal divorce bill. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"There should be a people's vote you're right. But not leave or remain, we're leaving. The question should only be deal or no deal.
I would agree with you if no deal was an option presented to the public as being at all likely.
It was not. Happy to see anything that suggests otherwise.
I would suggest most voted without a deal in mind. More a clean break. Id say certainly most leavers that I've talked to, expected a "no deal" certainly not a colossal divorce bill. "
Which goes to prove they were ignorant of the reality of the situation and what they were voting for. |
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"There should be a people's vote you're right. But not leave or remain, we're leaving. The question should only be deal or no deal.
I would agree with you if no deal was an option presented to the public as being at all likely.
It was not. Happy to see anything that suggests otherwise.
I would suggest most voted without a deal in mind. More a clean break. Id say certainly most leavers that I've talked to, expected a "no deal" certainly not a colossal divorce bill.
Which goes to prove they were ignorant of the reality of the situation and what they were voting for."
As were probably most voters on both sides. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"There should be a people's vote you're right. But not leave or remain, we're leaving. The question should only be deal or no deal.
I would agree with you if no deal was an option presented to the public as being at all likely.
It was not. Happy to see anything that suggests otherwise.
I would suggest most voted without a deal in mind. More a clean break. Id say certainly most leavers that I've talked to, expected a "no deal" certainly not a colossal divorce bill.
Which goes to prove they were ignorant of the reality of the situation and what they were voting for.
As were probably most voters on both sides. "
What important facts do you think most remain voters were ignorant of? |
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"There should be a people's vote you're right. But not leave or remain, we're leaving. The question should only be deal or no deal.
I would agree with you if no deal was an option presented to the public as being at all likely.
It was not. Happy to see anything that suggests otherwise.
I would suggest most voted without a deal in mind. More a clean break. Id say certainly most leavers that I've talked to, expected a "no deal" certainly not a colossal divorce bill.
Which goes to prove they were ignorant of the reality of the situation and what they were voting for.
As were probably most voters on both sides.
What important facts do you think most remain voters were ignorant of? "
I doubt many knew that a deal would be sought with Europe if leave won. I think most thought it was a simple in or out question. Id also suggest that if more remainers knew that there would be a deal then more would have voted leave. |
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over a year ago
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"There should be a people's vote you're right. But not leave or remain, we're leaving. The question should only be deal or no deal.
I would agree with you if no deal was an option presented to the public as being at all likely.
It was not. Happy to see anything that suggests otherwise.
I would suggest most voted without a deal in mind. More a clean break. Id say certainly most leavers that I've talked to, expected a "no deal" certainly not a colossal divorce bill. "
You'd suggest that based on a poll of how many people?
None of them thought that they would be able to trade on exactly the same terms but without immigration as promised?
You think over the last two years nobody had had to rationalise their view based on the emerging reality?
I would "suggest" that most voted because they were fearful of immigration, particularly of Muslims from Syria.
"Clean break" is a euphemism to make it sound simple when it is anything but. |
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"There should be a people's vote you're right. But not leave or remain, we're leaving. The question should only be deal or no deal.
I would agree with you if no deal was an option presented to the public as being at all likely.
It was not. Happy to see anything that suggests otherwise.
I would suggest most voted without a deal in mind. More a clean break. Id say certainly most leavers that I've talked to, expected a "no deal" certainly not a colossal divorce bill.
You'd suggest that based on a poll of how many people?
None of them thought that they would be able to trade on exactly the same terms but without immigration as promised?
You think over the last two years nobody had had to rationalise their view based on the emerging reality?
I would "suggest" that most voted because they were fearful of immigration, particularly of Muslims from Syria.
"Clean break" is a euphemism to make it sound simple when it is anything but."
You asked me what i think. You didn't ask me to back anything up with data. You suggest that people voted leave because people are fearful of muslims because that would suit your narrative. Most leavers i know were more concerned about eastern Europeans driving down their hourly rates by charging less for plumbing and other domestic services. The same reason taxi drivers, factory workers etc etc voted leave. As much as you'd love it to be, its not all about muslims! |
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"I love how a thread about people using the same arguments over and over again has devolved into another discussion where people use the same arguments over and over again haha it’s same old shit diffrent day on here again "
Same shit dragged up by the same 3 posters day in day out! Gotta feel sorry for them really. |
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"Enough of the fighting, chill out a bit and enjoy life, no?
It'll all be fine in the end....no one will die....ok maybe a handful ...but not that many more than are usually dying of poverty or fake wars.
We've heard all the same arguments over and over in every thread. The same BS.
Yeah I agree, we’ve all got different opinions on what will happen but nobody really knows, we’re all experts from behind a keyboard. Has anyone on here invested money based on what they think the result will be ? "
Some finance guru billionaire said he would stake his entire multi billion fortune ( somewhere around 3 billion from memory) on the UK doing ok after brexit. Now, obviously he didn't actually make a real bet, but he did state it publicly, which is a brave thing to do, backing something so publicly.
No one knows for certain exactly how things will turn out, but hearing someone like him giving the thumbs up to the UK is a nice change from all the doom-mongers and nay-sayers, who predict al sorts, from riots to Armaggeddon lol |
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"There should be a people's vote you're right. But not leave or remain, we're leaving. The question should only be deal or no deal.
I would agree with you if no deal was an option presented to the public as being at all likely.
It was not. Happy to see anything that suggests otherwise.
I would suggest most voted without a deal in mind. More a clean break. Id say certainly most leavers that I've talked to, expected a "no deal" certainly not a colossal divorce bill.
You'd suggest that based on a poll of how many people?
None of them thought that they would be able to trade on exactly the same terms but without immigration as promised?
You think over the last two years nobody had had to rationalise their view based on the emerging reality?
I would "suggest" that most voted because they were fearful of immigration, particularly of Muslims from Syria.
"Clean break" is a euphemism to make it sound simple when it is anything but.
You asked me what i think. You didn't ask me to back anything up with data. You suggest that people voted leave because people are fearful of muslims because that would suit your narrative. Most leavers i know were more concerned about eastern Europeans driving down their hourly rates by charging less for plumbing and other domestic services. The same reason taxi drivers, factory workers etc etc voted leave. As much as you'd love it to be, its not all about muslims! "
Yeah I think Eastern Europeans are the migrant population most people want to stop coming here.I know from experience that's the feeling in the building trade.Stoping muslims coming here isn't about economics it's a about culture.People don't like large Islamic communities in their towns .I think most large cities have been so multicultural since the 70s that a new wave of immigrants matters little.Other small places have had little exposure to multiculturalism.
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"I love how a thread about people using the same arguments over and over again has devolved into another discussion where people use the same arguments over and over again haha it’s same old shit diffrent day on here again
Same shit dragged up by the same 3 posters day in day out! Gotta feel sorry for them really. "
Yet here you are not adding anything new and not questioning the Leave case either. |
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Same shit dragged up by the same 3 posters day in day out! Gotta feel sorry for them really.
Yet here you are not adding anything new and not questioning the Leave case either."
Why should i question it? |
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"There should be a people's vote you're right. But not leave or remain, we're leaving. The question should only be deal or no deal.
I would agree with you if no deal was an option presented to the public as being at all likely.
It was not. Happy to see anything that suggests otherwise.
I would suggest most voted without a deal in mind. More a clean break. Id say certainly most leavers that I've talked to, expected a "no deal" certainly not a colossal divorce bill.
You'd suggest that based on a poll of how many people?
None of them thought that they would be able to trade on exactly the same terms but without immigration as promised?
You think over the last two years nobody had had to rationalise their view based on the emerging reality?
I would "suggest" that most voted because they were fearful of immigration, particularly of Muslims from Syria.
"Clean break" is a euphemism to make it sound simple when it is anything but.
You asked me what i think. You didn't ask me to back anything up with data. You suggest that people voted leave because people are fearful of muslims because that would suit your narrative. Most leavers i know were more concerned about eastern Europeans driving down their hourly rates by charging less for plumbing and other domestic services. The same reason taxi drivers, factory workers etc etc voted leave. As much as you'd love it to be, its not all about muslims!
Yeah I think Eastern Europeans are the migrant population most people want to stop coming here.I know from experience that's the feeling in the building trade.Stoping muslims coming here isn't about economics it's a about culture.People don't like large Islamic communities in their towns .I think most large cities have been so multicultural since the 70s that a new wave of immigrants matters little.Other small places have had little exposure to multiculturalism.
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spot on bob I’m not for stopping migrants just slowing it down if think it was to much to soon and the general public had no say on it yet it was them who are effected by it but brexit won’t stop immigration just slow it down from Europe that’s why I can’t understand when ppl say leavers are racist |
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Same shit dragged up by the same 3 posters day in day out! Gotta feel sorry for them really. "
they just can’t get over the fact it was a vote to leave and they actually think posting on here day in day out will change ppls minds |
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over a year ago
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Same shit dragged up by the same 3 posters day in day out! Gotta feel sorry for them really. they just can’t get over the fact it was a vote to leave and they actually think posting on here day in day out will change ppls minds "
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"I love how a thread about people using the same arguments over and over again has devolved into another discussion where people use the same arguments over and over again haha it’s same old shit diffrent day on here again
Same shit dragged up by the same 3 posters day in day out! Gotta feel sorry for them really. they just can’t get over the fact it was a vote to leave and they actually think posting on here day in day out will change ppls minds
Its quite sad that some people will never change their mind, despite mounting evidence. "
I thought most people on the politics forum voted remain? |
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over a year ago
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"I love how a thread about people using the same arguments over and over again has devolved into another discussion where people use the same arguments over and over again haha it’s same old shit diffrent day on here again
Same shit dragged up by the same 3 posters day in day out! Gotta feel sorry for them really. they just can’t get over the fact it was a vote to leave and they actually think posting on here day in day out will change ppls minds
Its quite sad that some people will never change their mind, despite mounting evidence.
I thought most people on the politics forum voted remain?"
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"I love how a thread about people using the same arguments over and over again has devolved into another discussion where people use the same arguments over and over again haha it’s same old shit diffrent day on here again
Same shit dragged up by the same 3 posters day in day out! Gotta feel sorry for them really. they just can’t get over the fact it was a vote to leave and they actually think posting on here day in day out will change ppls minds
Its quite sad that some people will never change their mind, despite mounting evidence.
I thought most people on the politics forum voted remain?"
They don't need to change their minds they think they are right.. |
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"I love how a thread about people using the same arguments over and over again has devolved into another discussion where people use the same arguments over and over again haha it’s same old shit diffrent day on here again
Same shit dragged up by the same 3 posters day in day out! Gotta feel sorry for them really. they just can’t get over the fact it was a vote to leave and they actually think posting on here day in day out will change ppls minds
Its quite sad that some people will never change their mind, despite mounting evidence.
I thought most people on the politics forum voted remain?
What does that have to do with my post? "
Well as far as i see it most of us voted remain. A handful voted leave for what they believe rightly or wrongly was the right reason for them. So they're unlikely to say Hey i was wrong. So you guys are just making the politics a nasty place to be for your own confirmation bias? Why? You've been chucked out of the lounge for being dull, now the same is happening here. I really don't know what your goal is. unless you want to say Yah boo i told you so like a ten year old might? |
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"There should be a people's vote you're right. But not leave or remain, we're leaving. The question should only be deal or no deal.
I would agree with you if no deal was an option presented to the public as being at all likely.
It was not. Happy to see anything that suggests otherwise.
I would suggest most voted without a deal in mind. More a clean break. Id say certainly most leavers that I've talked to, expected a "no deal" certainly not a colossal divorce bill.
Which goes to prove they were ignorant of the reality of the situation and what they were voting for.
As were probably most voters on both sides.
What important facts do you think most remain voters were ignorant of?
I doubt many knew that a deal would be sought with Europe if leave won. I think most thought it was a simple in or out question. Id also suggest that if more remainers knew that there would be a deal then more would have voted leave. "
I never thought a ' no deal ' option would be considered because I always knew what a ' no deal ' option actually meant. I also never thought or believed that we would not pay our dues before we left. In fact I always thought that if Leave won, we would probably end up with a deal something like Norway or Sweden. As it turns out it seems that what I thought would happen if we voted leave is probably what is actually going to happen, however much they try and spin to say it's something different. We are going to end up in some sort of customs union, with some sort of free trade agreement and have some form of free movement of Labour.
Is this talk of ' no deal ' is really just scare tactics by leave to make people more willing to accept whatever deal they finally manage to cobble together, however much worse it is than the current situation, because any deal will look better than no deal.
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Same shit dragged up by the same 3 posters day in day out! Gotta feel sorry for them really. they just can’t get over the fact it was a vote to leave and they actually think posting on here day in day out will change ppls minds
Its quite sad that some people will never change their mind, despite mounting evidence. "
What mounting evidence????
All I'm seeing is a return to project fear by remainers, yet more ridiculous forecasts and predictions about economic armaggeddon exactly as remain did during the referendum 2 years ago. Your forecasts and predictions didn't come true 2 years ago, so what makes you think anyone will believe you now? You've already been discredited in that regard.
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"Enough of the fighting, chill out a bit and enjoy life, no?
It'll all be fine in the end....no one will die....ok maybe a handful ...but not that many more than are usually dying of poverty or fake wars.
We've heard all the same arguments over and over in every thread. The same BS.
Yeah I agree, we’ve all got different opinions on what will happen but nobody really knows, we’re all experts from behind a keyboard. Has anyone on here invested money based on what they think the result will be ?
Some finance guru billionaire said he would stake his entire multi billion fortune ( somewhere around 3 billion from memory) on the UK doing ok after brexit. Now, obviously he didn't actually make a real bet, but he did state it publicly, which is a brave thing to do, backing something so publicly.
No one knows for certain exactly how things will turn out, but hearing someone like him giving the thumbs up to the UK is a nice change from all the doom-mongers and nay-sayers, who predict al sorts, from riots to Armaggeddon lol"
So credible you don't even know his name. False god's.
This is why the general public shouldn't be allowed to vote
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"I love how a thread about people using the same arguments over and over again has devolved into another discussion where people use the same arguments over and over again haha it’s same old shit diffrent day on here again
Same shit dragged up by the same 3 posters day in day out! Gotta feel sorry for them really. they just can’t get over the fact it was a vote to leave and they actually think posting on here day in day out will change ppls minds
Its quite sad that some people will never change their mind, despite mounting evidence.
What mounting evidence????
All I'm seeing is a return to project fear by remainers, yet more ridiculous forecasts and predictions about economic armaggeddon exactly as remain did during the referendum 2 years ago. Your forecasts and predictions didn't come true 2 years ago, so what makes you think anyone will believe you now? You've already been discredited in that regard.
A forecast or a prediction is not evidence, it's just a guess about the future. "
Yeah but you see what you want to see because your entire self image is on the line. Your ego won't let you entertain the idea of being wrong. It would destroy you. It's a terrible illness. |
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"I love how a thread about people using the same arguments over and over again has devolved into another discussion where people use the same arguments over and over again haha it’s same old shit diffrent day on here again
Same shit dragged up by the same 3 posters day in day out! Gotta feel sorry for them really. they just can’t get over the fact it was a vote to leave and they actually think posting on here day in day out will change ppls minds
Its quite sad that some people will never change their mind, despite mounting evidence. "
it also quiet sad that the same old ppl keep harping on about the same old shit day in day out ffs |
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"I love how a thread about people using the same arguments over and over again has devolved into another discussion where people use the same arguments over and over again haha it’s same old shit diffrent day on here again
Same shit dragged up by the same 3 posters day in day out! Gotta feel sorry for them really. they just can’t get over the fact it was a vote to leave and they actually think posting on here day in day out will change ppls minds
Its quite sad that some people will never change their mind, despite mounting evidence.
I thought most people on the politics forum voted remain?
What does that have to do with my post?
Well as far as i see it most of us voted remain. A handful voted leave for what they believe rightly or wrongly was the right reason for them. So they're unlikely to say Hey i was wrong. So you guys are just making the politics a nasty place to be for your own confirmation bias? Why? You've been chucked out of the lounge for being dull, now the same is happening here. I really don't know what your goal is. unless you want to say Yah boo i told you so like a ten year old might?"
The point is to rebut the leave argument not just here but anywhere where their false arguments get raised. Do I, or any others, expect a sudden epiphany amongst Leave supports to suddenly either accept or admit that they were wrong? No, but that's not the point of a discussion or argument. The point is to convince others who might read the falsehoods peddled by leave and, without the contradictory argument being put forward, believe that what they say is in fact true.
Maybe if Leave supporters had actually engaged in the discussion, rather always trying to shut it down with comments like "get over it you lost", "winging remoanrers" and "sour lossers" they might still be winning the argument. As it is Leavers refusal to properly defend the Leave position is a classic case of snatching defeat out of that jaws of their victory. They may have won the initial big battle but they are definitely loosing the on going war. BREXIT is turning out to be nothing like the BREXIT they thought they voted for, you've said as much yourself. |
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Same shit dragged up by the same 3 posters day in day out! Gotta feel sorry for them really. they just can’t get over the fact it was a vote to leave and they actually think posting on here day in day out will change ppls minds
Its quite sad that some people will never change their mind, despite mounting evidence. it also quiet sad that the same old ppl keep harping on about the same old shit day in day out ffs "
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Same shit dragged up by the same 3 posters day in day out! Gotta feel sorry for them really. they just can’t get over the fact it was a vote to leave and they actually think posting on here day in day out will change ppls minds
Its quite sad that some people will never change their mind, despite mounting evidence.
I thought most people on the politics forum voted remain?
What does that have to do with my post?
Well as far as i see it most of us voted remain. A handful voted leave for what they believe rightly or wrongly was the right reason for them. So they're unlikely to say Hey i was wrong. So you guys are just making the politics a nasty place to be for your own confirmation bias? Why? You've been chucked out of the lounge for being dull, now the same is happening here. I really don't know what your goal is. unless you want to say Yah boo i told you so like a ten year old might?
The point is to rebut the leave argument not just here but anywhere where their false arguments get raised. Do I, or any others, expect a sudden epiphany amongst Leave supports to suddenly either accept or admit that they were wrong? No, but that's not the point of a discussion or argument. The point is to convince others who might read the falsehoods peddled by leave and, without the contradictory argument being put forward, believe that what they say is in fact true.
Maybe if Leave supporters had actually engaged in the discussion, rather always trying to shut it down with comments like "get over it you lost", "winging remoanrers" and "sour lossers" they might still be winning the argument. As it is Leavers refusal to properly defend the Leave position is a classic case of snatching defeat out of that jaws of their victory. They may have won the initial big battle but they are definitely loosing the on going war. BREXIT is turning out to be nothing like the BREXIT they thought they voted for, you've said as much yourself."
can you tell us leave voters what the hell is this on going war what is this war going to achieve and why do you want leave voters to say they got it wrong so you can say I told you so lol |
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"Enough of the fighting, chill out a bit and enjoy life, no?
It'll all be fine in the end....no one will die....ok maybe a handful ...but not that many more than are usually dying of poverty or fake wars.
We've heard all the same arguments over and over in every thread. The same BS.
Yeah I agree, we’ve all got different opinions on what will happen but nobody really knows, we’re all experts from behind a keyboard. Has anyone on here invested money based on what they think the result will be ?
Some finance guru billionaire said he would stake his entire multi billion fortune ( somewhere around 3 billion from memory) on the UK doing ok after brexit. Now, obviously he didn't actually make a real bet, but he did state it publicly, which is a brave thing to do, backing something so publicly.
No one knows for certain exactly how things will turn out, but hearing someone like him giving the thumbs up to the UK is a nice change from all the doom-mongers and nay-sayers, who predict al sorts, from riots to Armaggeddon lol
So credible you don't even know his name. False god's.
This is why the general public shouldn't be allowed to vote
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His name is Peter Hargreaves who is a top financier. He is the founder of firm Hargreaves Lansdown.
He said he would stake his £3.6 billion fortune on the UK getting free trade with the EU in a no deal Brexit. He said quitting the EU without a deal is the best option for the UK.
Hargreaves said, "No Deal would give us free trade. The EU's three biggest economies outside Britain are huge exporters to the UK - Germany, France and Italy. They would demand free trade from the EU with the UK. I guarantee my entire wealth we'd get it". |
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Same shit dragged up by the same 3 posters day in day out! Gotta feel sorry for them really. they just can’t get over the fact it was a vote to leave and they actually think posting on here day in day out will change ppls minds
Its quite sad that some people will never change their mind, despite mounting evidence.
What mounting evidence????
All I'm seeing is a return to project fear by remainers, yet more ridiculous forecasts and predictions about economic armaggeddon exactly as remain did during the referendum 2 years ago. Your forecasts and predictions didn't come true 2 years ago, so what makes you think anyone will believe you now? You've already been discredited in that regard.
A forecast or a prediction is not evidence, it's just a guess about the future.
Yeah but you see what you want to see because your entire self image is on the line. Your ego won't let you entertain the idea of being wrong. It would destroy you. It's a terrible illness. "
It's remainers who are ill, I'm very happy we're leaving and would be perfectly happy to leave with no deal. It was reported in the news just after the EU referendum result that remainers were seeing psychiatrists and shrinks because they couldn't come to terms with the result of the referendum. I think a few likely candidates are remainers on this forum. |
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"Enough of the fighting, chill out a bit and enjoy life, no?
It'll all be fine in the end....no one will die....ok maybe a handful ...but not that many more than are usually dying of poverty or fake wars.
We've heard all the same arguments over and over in every thread. The same BS.
Yeah I agree, we’ve all got different opinions on what will happen but nobody really knows, we’re all experts from behind a keyboard. Has anyone on here invested money based on what they think the result will be ?
Some finance guru billionaire said he would stake his entire multi billion fortune ( somewhere around 3 billion from memory) on the UK doing ok after brexit. Now, obviously he didn't actually make a real bet, but he did state it publicly, which is a brave thing to do, backing something so publicly.
No one knows for certain exactly how things will turn out, but hearing someone like him giving the thumbs up to the UK is a nice change from all the doom-mongers and nay-sayers, who predict al sorts, from riots to Armaggeddon lol
So credible you don't even know his name. False god's.
This is why the general public shouldn't be allowed to vote
His name is Peter Hargreaves who is a top financier. He is the founder of firm Hargreaves Lansdown.
He said he would stake his £3.6 billion fortune on the UK getting free trade with the EU in a no deal Brexit. He said quitting the EU without a deal is the best option for the UK.
Hargreaves said, "No Deal would give us free trade. The EU's three biggest economies outside Britain are huge exporters to the UK - Germany, France and Italy. They would demand free trade from the EU with the UK. I guarantee my entire wealth we'd get it". "
Germany exports less than 10% of its GDP and are the biggest economy exposed to brexit - its hardly a big number is it? Given that we will trade under WTO rules that could be halved as the likes of Hargreaves he will still buy his German car - it's just going to cost him more! Finally I would like to use that leading brexiteer Mike Gove - people are fed up of experts - we shall see if he is right and how much of his wealth he gives away! |
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Germany exports less than 10% of its GDP and are the biggest economy exposed to brexit - its hardly a big number is it?"
Just to clarify, do you mean Germany exports less than 10% of its GDP to the UK?
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Germany exports less than 10% of its GDP and are the biggest economy exposed to brexit - its hardly a big number is it?
Just to clarify, do you mean Germany exports less than 10% of its GDP to the UK?
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"I love how a thread about people using the same arguments over and over again has devolved into another discussion where people use the same arguments over and over again haha it’s same old shit diffrent day on here again
Same shit dragged up by the same 3 posters day in day out! Gotta feel sorry for them really. they just can’t get over the fact it was a vote to leave and they actually think posting on here day in day out will change ppls minds
Its quite sad that some people will never change their mind, despite mounting evidence.
What mounting evidence????
All I'm seeing is a return to project fear by remainers, yet more ridiculous forecasts and predictions about economic armaggeddon exactly as remain did during the referendum 2 years ago. Your forecasts and predictions didn't come true 2 years ago, so what makes you think anyone will believe you now? You've already been discredited in that regard.
A forecast or a prediction is not evidence, it's just a guess about the future.
Yeah but you see what you want to see because your entire self image is on the line. Your ego won't let you entertain the idea of being wrong. It would destroy you. It's a terrible illness.
It's remainers who are ill, I'm very happy we're leaving and would be perfectly happy to leave with no deal. It was reported in the news just after the EU referendum result that remainers were seeing psychiatrists and shrinks because they couldn't come to terms with the result of the referendum. I think a few likely candidates are remainers on this forum. "
Happy happy happy
If you are so happy, why do you have to promote and defend Brexit at every turn?
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"I love how a thread about people using the same arguments over and over again has devolved into another discussion where people use the same arguments over and over again haha it’s same old shit diffrent day on here again
Same shit dragged up by the same 3 posters day in day out! Gotta feel sorry for them really. "
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"Enough of the fighting, chill out a bit and enjoy life, no?
It'll all be fine in the end....no one will die....ok maybe a handful ...but not that many more than are usually dying of poverty or fake wars.
We've heard all the same arguments over and over in every thread. The same BS.
Yeah I agree, we’ve all got different opinions on what will happen but nobody really knows, we’re all experts from behind a keyboard. Has anyone on here invested money based on what they think the result will be ?
Some finance guru billionaire said he would stake his entire multi billion fortune ( somewhere around 3 billion from memory) on the UK doing ok after brexit. Now, obviously he didn't actually make a real bet, but he did state it publicly, which is a brave thing to do, backing something so publicly.
No one knows for certain exactly how things will turn out, but hearing someone like him giving the thumbs up to the UK is a nice change from all the doom-mongers and nay-sayers, who predict al sorts, from riots to Armaggeddon lol
So credible you don't even know his name. False god's.
This is why the general public shouldn't be allowed to vote
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I'm sorry, do forgive me for not being as anal about this shit as you, it was an article in a newspaper 2 or 3 days ago, I read it, and then moved on, then saw this thread and it triggered my memory. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"Enough of the fighting, chill out a bit and enjoy life, no?
It'll all be fine in the end....no one will die....ok maybe a handful ...but not that many more than are usually dying of poverty or fake wars.
We've heard all the same arguments over and over in every thread. The same BS.
Yeah I agree, we’ve all got different opinions on what will happen but nobody really knows, we’re all experts from behind a keyboard. Has anyone on here invested money based on what they think the result will be ?
Some finance guru billionaire said he would stake his entire multi billion fortune ( somewhere around 3 billion from memory) on the UK doing ok after brexit. Now, obviously he didn't actually make a real bet, but he did state it publicly, which is a brave thing to do, backing something so publicly.
No one knows for certain exactly how things will turn out, but hearing someone like him giving the thumbs up to the UK is a nice change from all the doom-mongers and nay-sayers, who predict al sorts, from riots to Armaggeddon lol
So credible you don't even know his name. False god's.
This is why the general public shouldn't be allowed to vote
His name is Peter Hargreaves who is a top financier. He is the founder of firm Hargreaves Lansdown.
He said he would stake his £3.6 billion fortune on the UK getting free trade with the EU in a no deal Brexit. He said quitting the EU without a deal is the best option for the UK.
Hargreaves said, "No Deal would give us free trade. The EU's three biggest economies outside Britain are huge exporters to the UK - Germany, France and Italy. They would demand free trade from the EU with the UK. I guarantee my entire wealth we'd get it". "
Sir Jim Ratcliffe: UK's richest man and ardent Brexiteer is moving to Monaco
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/jim-ratcliffe-brexit-uk-richest-man-monaco-move-tax-haven-eu-leave-a8484211.html
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Sir Jim Ratcliffe: UK's richest man and ardent Brexiteer is moving to Monaco
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/jim-ratcliffe-brexit-uk-richest-man-monaco-move-tax-haven-eu-leave-a8484211.html
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Where's our lifeboat?
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"I love how a thread about people using the same arguments over and over again has devolved into another discussion where people use the same arguments over and over again haha it’s same old shit diffrent day on here again
Same shit dragged up by the same 3 posters day in day out! Gotta feel sorry for them really. they just can’t get over the fact it was a vote to leave and they actually think posting on here day in day out will change ppls minds
Its quite sad that some people will never change their mind, despite mounting evidence.
What mounting evidence????
All I'm seeing is a return to project fear by remainers, yet more ridiculous forecasts and predictions about economic armaggeddon exactly as remain did during the referendum 2 years ago. Your forecasts and predictions didn't come true 2 years ago, so what makes you think anyone will believe you now? You've already been discredited in that regard.
A forecast or a prediction is not evidence, it's just a guess about the future.
Yeah but you see what you want to see because your entire self image is on the line. Your ego won't let you entertain the idea of being wrong. It would destroy you. It's a terrible illness.
It's remainers who are ill, I'm very happy we're leaving and would be perfectly happy to leave with no deal. It was reported in the news just after the EU referendum result that remainers were seeing psychiatrists and shrinks because they couldn't come to terms with the result of the referendum. I think a few likely candidates are remainers on this forum. "
You think that WTO trade rules are fine even though every country tries their hardest not to use them.
You also don't seem to know how WTO disputes are resolved. Hint: the UK Supreme Court does not decide
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"I love how a thread about people using the same arguments over and over again has devolved into another discussion where people use the same arguments over and over again haha it’s same old shit diffrent day on here again
Same shit dragged up by the same 3 posters day in day out! Gotta feel sorry for them really.
Yet here you are not adding anything new and not questioning the Leave case either.
Why should i question it?"
Equally then, why should you question the remain case? |
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"I love how a thread about people using the same arguments over and over again has devolved into another discussion where people use the same arguments over and over again haha it’s same old shit diffrent day on here again
Same shit dragged up by the same 3 posters day in day out! Gotta feel sorry for them really. they just can’t get over the fact it was a vote to leave and they actually think posting on here day in day out will change ppls minds
Its quite sad that some people will never change their mind, despite mounting evidence.
What mounting evidence????
All I'm seeing is a return to project fear by remainers, yet more ridiculous forecasts and predictions about economic armaggeddon exactly as remain did during the referendum 2 years ago. Your forecasts and predictions didn't come true 2 years ago, so what makes you think anyone will believe you now? You've already been discredited in that regard.
A forecast or a prediction is not evidence, it's just a guess about the future.
Yeah but you see what you want to see because your entire self image is on the line. Your ego won't let you entertain the idea of being wrong. It would destroy you. It's a terrible illness.
It's remainers who are ill, I'm very happy we're leaving and would be perfectly happy to leave with no deal. It was reported in the news just after the EU referendum result that remainers were seeing psychiatrists and shrinks because they couldn't come to terms with the result of the referendum. I think a few likely candidates are remainers on this forum.
Happy happy happy
If you are so happy, why do you have to promote and defend Brexit at every turn?
Back to the spirit of my original post, let it go and get on with life."
I post here because the false narrative and ridiculous propaganda of the remain campaign has to be challenged that why. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"I love how a thread about people using the same arguments over and over again has devolved into another discussion where people use the same arguments over and over again haha it’s same old shit diffrent day on here again
Same shit dragged up by the same 3 posters day in day out! Gotta feel sorry for them really. they just can’t get over the fact it was a vote to leave and they actually think posting on here day in day out will change ppls minds
Its quite sad that some people will never change their mind, despite mounting evidence.
What mounting evidence????
All I'm seeing is a return to project fear by remainers, yet more ridiculous forecasts and predictions about economic armaggeddon exactly as remain did during the referendum 2 years ago. Your forecasts and predictions didn't come true 2 years ago, so what makes you think anyone will believe you now? You've already been discredited in that regard.
A forecast or a prediction is not evidence, it's just a guess about the future.
Yeah but you see what you want to see because your entire self image is on the line. Your ego won't let you entertain the idea of being wrong. It would destroy you. It's a terrible illness.
It's remainers who are ill, I'm very happy we're leaving and would be perfectly happy to leave with no deal. It was reported in the news just after the EU referendum result that remainers were seeing psychiatrists and shrinks because they couldn't come to terms with the result of the referendum. I think a few likely candidates are remainers on this forum.
Happy happy happy
If you are so happy, why do you have to promote and defend Brexit at every turn?
Back to the spirit of my original post, let it go and get on with life.
I post here because the false narrative and ridiculous propaganda of the remain campaign has to be challenged that why. "
I agree that there was ridiculous remain propaganda and that there still is.
There's also some truth.
There was and is at least as much leave propaganda.
There's also some truth.
Wouldn't you agree Centaur? |
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"Is Monaco in the EU?
Is Monaco in the UK?
Is leaving the UK a vote of confidence in the UK, whatever the destination?"
You didn't actually answer the question that was asked.
Is Monaco in the EU was the question.
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"Enough of the fighting, chill out a bit and enjoy life, no?
It'll all be fine in the end....no one will die....ok maybe a handful ...but not that many more than are usually dying of poverty or fake wars.
We've heard all the same arguments over and over in every thread. The same BS.
Yeah I agree, we’ve all got different opinions on what will happen but nobody really knows, we’re all experts from behind a keyboard. Has anyone on here invested money based on what they think the result will be ?
Some finance guru billionaire said he would stake his entire multi billion fortune ( somewhere around 3 billion from memory) on the UK doing ok after brexit. Now, obviously he didn't actually make a real bet, but he did state it publicly, which is a brave thing to do, backing something so publicly.
No one knows for certain exactly how things will turn out, but hearing someone like him giving the thumbs up to the UK is a nice change from all the doom-mongers and nay-sayers, who predict al sorts, from riots to Armaggeddon lol
So credible you don't even know his name. False god's.
This is why the general public shouldn't be allowed to vote
His name is Peter Hargreaves who is a top financier. He is the founder of firm Hargreaves Lansdown.
He said he would stake his £3.6 billion fortune on the UK getting free trade with the EU in a no deal Brexit. He said quitting the EU without a deal is the best option for the UK.
Hargreaves said, "No Deal would give us free trade. The EU's three biggest economies outside Britain are huge exporters to the UK - Germany, France and Italy. They would demand free trade from the EU with the UK. I guarantee my entire wealth we'd get it".
Sir Jim Ratcliffe: UK's richest man and ardent Brexiteer is moving to Monaco
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/jim-ratcliffe-brexit-uk-richest-man-monaco-move-tax-haven-eu-leave-a8484211.html
Just saying "
So you're saying he's moving to a country that isn't in the EU then. |
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"Enough of the fighting, chill out a bit and enjoy life, no?
It'll all be fine in the end....no one will die....ok maybe a handful ...but not that many more than are usually dying of poverty or fake wars.
We've heard all the same arguments over and over in every thread. The same BS.
Yeah I agree, we’ve all got different opinions on what will happen but nobody really knows, we’re all experts from behind a keyboard. Has anyone on here invested money based on what they think the result will be ?
Some finance guru billionaire said he would stake his entire multi billion fortune ( somewhere around 3 billion from memory) on the UK doing ok after brexit. Now, obviously he didn't actually make a real bet, but he did state it publicly, which is a brave thing to do, backing something so publicly.
No one knows for certain exactly how things will turn out, but hearing someone like him giving the thumbs up to the UK is a nice change from all the doom-mongers and nay-sayers, who predict al sorts, from riots to Armaggeddon lol
So credible you don't even know his name. False god's.
This is why the general public shouldn't be allowed to vote
His name is Peter Hargreaves who is a top financier. He is the founder of firm Hargreaves Lansdown.
He said he would stake his £3.6 billion fortune on the UK getting free trade with the EU in a no deal Brexit. He said quitting the EU without a deal is the best option for the UK.
Hargreaves said, "No Deal would give us free trade. The EU's three biggest economies outside Britain are huge exporters to the UK - Germany, France and Italy. They would demand free trade from the EU with the UK. I guarantee my entire wealth we'd get it".
Sir Jim Ratcliffe: UK's richest man and ardent Brexiteer is moving to Monaco
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/jim-ratcliffe-brexit-uk-richest-man-monaco-move-tax-haven-eu-leave-a8484211.html
Just saying
So you're saying he's moving to a country that isn't in the EU then. "
Yep he's off to a country outside of the EU which takes a tiny amount of refugees, which also has a tiny population of muslims. |
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"Enough of the fighting, chill out a bit and enjoy life, no?
It'll all be fine in the end....no one will die....ok maybe a handful ...but not that many more than are usually dying of poverty or fake wars.
We've heard all the same arguments over and over in every thread. The same BS.
Yeah I agree, we’ve all got different opinions on what will happen but nobody really knows, we’re all experts from behind a keyboard. Has anyone on here invested money based on what they think the result will be ?
Some finance guru billionaire said he would stake his entire multi billion fortune ( somewhere around 3 billion from memory) on the UK doing ok after brexit. Now, obviously he didn't actually make a real bet, but he did state it publicly, which is a brave thing to do, backing something so publicly.
No one knows for certain exactly how things will turn out, but hearing someone like him giving the thumbs up to the UK is a nice change from all the doom-mongers and nay-sayers, who predict al sorts, from riots to Armaggeddon lol
So credible you don't even know his name. False god's.
This is why the general public shouldn't be allowed to vote
His name is Peter Hargreaves who is a top financier. He is the founder of firm Hargreaves Lansdown.
He said he would stake his £3.6 billion fortune on the UK getting free trade with the EU in a no deal Brexit. He said quitting the EU without a deal is the best option for the UK.
Hargreaves said, "No Deal would give us free trade. The EU's three biggest economies outside Britain are huge exporters to the UK - Germany, France and Italy. They would demand free trade from the EU with the UK. I guarantee my entire wealth we'd get it".
Sir Jim Ratcliffe: UK's richest man and ardent Brexiteer is moving to Monaco
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/jim-ratcliffe-brexit-uk-richest-man-monaco-move-tax-haven-eu-leave-a8484211.html
Just saying
So you're saying he's moving to a country that isn't in the EU then.
Yep he's off to a country outside of the EU which takes a tiny amount of refugees, which also has a tiny population of muslims. "
Actually he's off to look after himself - oh I do believe a couple more of his board of directors are going too! Monaco has no income tax either so if you can afford to go why not. He also moved his company HQ some years ago (Switzerland ) for tax reasons but brought it back to the UK.
A simple point those of us on PAYE have no choice to pay our tax, but the rich find ways of avoiding tax albeit legally. However Greece got into problems because nobody paid tax - there is the lesson! |
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I’m sure someone could find instances of pro Europe business men running away from taxes in non eu countries too.
Because one man is selfish does not in itself undermine anyone’s arguments. |
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The UK is full of leavers we have the highest number of citzens living abroad in the EU .More than any other EU country .
A nation of migrants flooding other EU countries .
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"The UK is full of leavers we have the highest number of citzens living abroad in the EU .More than any other EU country .
A nation of migrants flooding other EU countries .
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Taking their jobs, milking their welfare systems sending all that money back home to blighty! how dare we?! |
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"The UK is full of leavers we have the highest number of citzens living abroad in the EU .More than any other EU country .
A nation of migrants flooding other EU countries .
Taking their jobs, milking their welfare systems sending all that money back home to blighty! how dare we?!"
I know who would of known we are the biggest migrants in the EU.Hopefully all these foreigners will be kicked out and sent bakj to Blighty .The dirty bastards....do we need more bloody leavers though coming home |
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"The UK is full of leavers we have the highest number of citzens living abroad in the EU .More than any other EU country .
A nation of migrants flooding other EU countries .
Taking their jobs, milking their welfare systems sending all that money back home to blighty! how dare we?!
I know who would of known we are the biggest migrants in the EU.Hopefully all these foreigners will be kicked out and sent bakj to Blighty .The dirty bastards....do we need more bloody leavers though coming home "
Then of course there's the violence we take with us abroad. All the stabbings and acid attacks etc. We should be ashamed of ourselves. Going around the place opening Anglican churches everywhere. Blocking roads with our incessant worshipping. |
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"The UK is full of leavers we have the highest number of citzens living abroad in the EU .More than any other EU country .
A nation of migrants flooding other EU countries .
Taking their jobs, milking their welfare systems sending all that money back home to blighty! how dare we?!
I know who would of known we are the biggest migrants in the EU.Hopefully all these foreigners will be kicked out and sent bakj to Blighty .The dirty bastards....do we need more bloody leavers though coming home
Then of course there's the violence we take with us abroad. All the stabbings and acid attacks etc. We should be ashamed of ourselves. Going around the place opening Anglican churches everywhere. Blocking roads with our incessant worshipping. "
I know the costa del sol is a British gangsters paradise .Im not sure shy we don't have a ban on brits going abroad falling off mopeds d*unk killing locals and they piss and vomit all over those quant European streets from Malaga to Crete Its a disgrace .Should we continue to export violence and terror to holiday destinations.  |
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"The UK is full of leavers we have the highest number of citzens living abroad in the EU .More than any other EU country .
A nation of migrants flooding other EU countries .
Taking their jobs, milking their welfare systems sending all that money back home to blighty! how dare we?!
I know who would of known we are the biggest migrants in the EU.Hopefully all these foreigners will be kicked out and sent bakj to Blighty .The dirty bastards....do we need more bloody leavers though coming home
Then of course there's the violence we take with us abroad. All the stabbings and acid attacks etc. We should be ashamed of ourselves. Going around the place opening Anglican churches everywhere. Blocking roads with our incessant worshipping.
I know the costa del sol is a British gangsters paradise .Im not sure shy we don't have a ban on brits going abroad falling off mopeds d*unk killing locals and they piss and vomit all over those quant European streets from Malaga to Crete Its a disgrace .Should we continue to export violence and terror to holiday destinations. "
Certainly not. Especially as most of these people are working class! They should know their place! |
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"The UK is full of leavers we have the highest number of citzens living abroad in the EU .More than any other EU country .
A nation of migrants flooding other EU countries .
Taking their jobs, milking their welfare systems sending all that money back home to blighty! how dare we?!
I know who would of known we are the biggest migrants in the EU.Hopefully all these foreigners will be kicked out and sent bakj to Blighty .The dirty bastards....do we need more bloody leavers though coming home
Then of course there's the violence we take with us abroad. All the stabbings and acid attacks etc. We should be ashamed of ourselves. Going around the place opening Anglican churches everywhere. Blocking roads with our incessant worshipping.
I know the costa del sol is a British gangsters paradise .Im not sure shy we don't have a ban on brits going abroad falling off mopeds d*unk killing locals and they piss and vomit all over those quant European streets from Malaga to Crete Its a disgrace .Should we continue to export violence and terror to holiday destinations.
Certainly not. Especially as most of these people are working class! They should know their place! "
Brexit should ensure we keep our gangsters on the English Rivera and our chavs in Weymouth,Blackpool and margate.The working class will be priced out of foreign excursions to exotic locations like Benidorm after brexit.Giving our British resorts a much need boost!
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"The UK is full of leavers we have the highest number of citzens living abroad in the EU .More than any other EU country .
A nation of migrants flooding other EU countries .
Taking their jobs, milking their welfare systems sending all that money back home to blighty! how dare we?!
I know who would of known we are the biggest migrants in the EU.Hopefully all these foreigners will be kicked out and sent bakj to Blighty .The dirty bastards....do we need more bloody leavers though coming home
Then of course there's the violence we take with us abroad. All the stabbings and acid attacks etc. We should be ashamed of ourselves. Going around the place opening Anglican churches everywhere. Blocking roads with our incessant worshipping.
I know the costa del sol is a British gangsters paradise .Im not sure shy we don't have a ban on brits going abroad falling off mopeds d*unk killing locals and they piss and vomit all over those quant European streets from Malaga to Crete Its a disgrace .Should we continue to export violence and terror to holiday destinations.
Certainly not. Especially as most of these people are working class! They should know their place!
Brexit should ensure we keep our gangsters on the English Rivera and our chavs in Weymouth,Blackpool and margate.The working class will be priced out of foreign excursions to exotic locations like Benidorm after brexit.Giving our British resorts a much need boost!
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Still, i guess the visiting chavs and gangsters arn't putting the local tradespeople out of pocket. |
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By *ollie1Couple
over a year ago
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just a thought
if the leavers are so positive of their case why are they so frightened of a second referendum
could it be that they are afraid many people will have changed their minds once the full facts are known
if thats the case are people not allowed to reconsider their decision isnt that a democracy |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"just a thought
if the leavers are so positive of their case why are they so frightened of a second referendum
could it be that they are afraid many people will have changed their minds once the full facts are known
if thats the case are people not allowed to reconsider their decision isnt that a democracy"
The EU Referendum wasn't a "best of 3" scenario.
Have a second referendum and the outcome is as close as the first....then where do you go? |
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"The UK is full of leavers we have the highest number of citzens living abroad in the EU .More than any other EU country .
A nation of migrants flooding other EU countries .
Taking their jobs, milking their welfare systems sending all that money back home to blighty! how dare we?!
I know who would of known we are the biggest migrants in the EU.Hopefully all these foreigners will be kicked out and sent bakj to Blighty .The dirty bastards....do we need more bloody leavers though coming home
Then of course there's the violence we take with us abroad. All the stabbings and acid attacks etc. We should be ashamed of ourselves. Going around the place opening Anglican churches everywhere. Blocking roads with our incessant worshipping.
I know the costa del sol is a British gangsters paradise .Im not sure shy we don't have a ban on brits going abroad falling off mopeds d*unk killing locals and they piss and vomit all over those quant European streets from Malaga to Crete Its a disgrace .Should we continue to export violence and terror to holiday destinations.
Certainly not. Especially as most of these people are working class! They should know their place!
Brexit should ensure we keep our gangsters on the English Rivera and our chavs in Weymouth,Blackpool and margate.The working class will be priced out of foreign excursions to exotic locations like Benidorm after brexit.Giving our British resorts a much need boost!
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No more foreign holidays for you then Bob! |
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"The UK is full of leavers we have the highest number of citzens living abroad in the EU .More than any other EU country .
A nation of migrants flooding other EU countries .
Taking their jobs, milking their welfare systems sending all that money back home to blighty! how dare we?!
I know who would of known we are the biggest migrants in the EU.Hopefully all these foreigners will be kicked out and sent bakj to Blighty .The dirty bastards....do we need more bloody leavers though coming home
Then of course there's the violence we take with us abroad. All the stabbings and acid attacks etc. We should be ashamed of ourselves. Going around the place opening Anglican churches everywhere. Blocking roads with our incessant worshipping.
I know the costa del sol is a British gangsters paradise .Im not sure shy we don't have a ban on brits going abroad falling off mopeds d*unk killing locals and they piss and vomit all over those quant European streets from Malaga to Crete Its a disgrace .Should we continue to export violence and terror to holiday destinations.
Certainly not. Especially as most of these people are working class! They should know their place!
Brexit should ensure we keep our gangsters on the English Rivera and our chavs in Weymouth,Blackpool and margate.The working class will be priced out of foreign excursions to exotic locations like Benidorm after brexit.Giving our British resorts a much need boost!
Still, i guess the visiting chavs and gangsters arn't putting the local tradespeople out of pocket. "
I know the rapists and thugs and drug dealers we export around the European holiday destinations only put the local rapists and thugs out of work .A small price to pay for the tourists £. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"I’m sure someone could find instances of pro Europe business men running away from taxes in non eu countries too.
Because one man is selfish does not in itself undermine anyone’s arguments. "
The point is that there are a rather smaller number of high profile Leave supporting business people.
When you dig just below the surface of your finances you see that they ha e relatively little exposure to Brexit risk.
Saying that you'd bet your fortune but not doing so and currently making most money from your clients investing abroad or saying Brexit will be great but moving out of the country don't make for good support of a position. |
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"The UK is full of leavers we have the highest number of citzens living abroad in the EU .More than any other EU country .
A nation of migrants flooding other EU countries .
Taking their jobs, milking their welfare systems sending all that money back home to blighty! how dare we?!
I know who would of known we are the biggest migrants in the EU.Hopefully all these foreigners will be kicked out and sent bakj to Blighty .The dirty bastards....do we need more bloody leavers though coming home
Then of course there's the violence we take with us abroad. All the stabbings and acid attacks etc. We should be ashamed of ourselves. Going around the place opening Anglican churches everywhere. Blocking roads with our incessant worshipping.
I know the costa del sol is a British gangsters paradise .Im not sure shy we don't have a ban on brits going abroad falling off mopeds d*unk killing locals and they piss and vomit all over those quant European streets from Malaga to Crete Its a disgrace .Should we continue to export violence and terror to holiday destinations.
Certainly not. Especially as most of these people are working class! They should know their place!
Brexit should ensure we keep our gangsters on the English Rivera and our chavs in Weymouth,Blackpool and margate.The working class will be priced out of foreign excursions to exotic locations like Benidorm after brexit.Giving our British resorts a much need boost!
Still, i guess the visiting chavs and gangsters arn't putting the local tradespeople out of pocket.
I know the rapists and thugs and drug dealers we export around the European holiday destinations only put the local rapists and thugs out of work .A small price to pay for the tourists £. "
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"Is Monaco in the EU?
Is Monaco in the UK?
Is leaving the UK a vote of confidence in the UK, whatever the destination?
You didn't actually answer the question that was asked.
Is Monaco in the EU was the question.
Just saying. "
That is absolutely your worst attempt yet at "winning" a point Centaur.
Of course Monaco isn't in the EU. Everybody is aware of that.
The point is that a Brexit cheerleader is leaving the UK in a resounding vote of confidence in our country.
You also posted this immediately after failing to answer my question to you.
You always demand responses, rarely answer yourself then get angry when it's pointed out to you.
Have a look through the current threads. Is there a reason for not replying?
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"The UK is full of leavers we have the highest number of citzens living abroad in the EU .More than any other EU country .
A nation of migrants flooding other EU countries .
Taking their jobs, milking their welfare systems sending all that money back home to blighty! how dare we?!
I know who would of known we are the biggest migrants in the EU.Hopefully all these foreigners will be kicked out and sent bakj to Blighty .The dirty bastards....do we need more bloody leavers though coming home
Then of course there's the violence we take with us abroad. All the stabbings and acid attacks etc. We should be ashamed of ourselves. Going around the place opening Anglican churches everywhere. Blocking roads with our incessant worshipping.
I know the costa del sol is a British gangsters paradise .Im not sure shy we don't have a ban on brits going abroad falling off mopeds d*unk killing locals and they piss and vomit all over those quant European streets from Malaga to Crete Its a disgrace .Should we continue to export violence and terror to holiday destinations.
Certainly not. Especially as most of these people are working class! They should know their place!
Brexit should ensure we keep our gangsters on the English Rivera and our chavs in Weymouth,Blackpool and margate.The working class will be priced out of foreign excursions to exotic locations like Benidorm after brexit.Giving our British resorts a much need boost!
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bob you must be joking arnt you priced out of holidays abroad and giving the British resorts a boost ppl go abroad because they can’t afford to holiday in the uk because it’s to expensive doesn’t matter what to prices are after brexit the same numbers will travel over seas like they have for decades it’s just more doom and gloom on here everyday it is funny tho I’ll give you that lol |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"The UK is full of leavers we have the highest number of citzens living abroad in the EU .More than any other EU country .
A nation of migrants flooding other EU countries .
Taking their jobs, milking their welfare systems sending all that money back home to blighty! how dare we?!
I know who would of known we are the biggest migrants in the EU.Hopefully all these foreigners will be kicked out and sent bakj to Blighty .The dirty bastards....do we need more bloody leavers though coming home
Then of course there's the violence we take with us abroad. All the stabbings and acid attacks etc. We should be ashamed of ourselves. Going around the place opening Anglican churches everywhere. Blocking roads with our incessant worshipping.
I know the costa del sol is a British gangsters paradise .Im not sure shy we don't have a ban on brits going abroad falling off mopeds d*unk killing locals and they piss and vomit all over those quant European streets from Malaga to Crete Its a disgrace .Should we continue to export violence and terror to holiday destinations.
Certainly not. Especially as most of these people are working class! They should know their place!
Brexit should ensure we keep our gangsters on the English Rivera and our chavs in Weymouth,Blackpool and margate.The working class will be priced out of foreign excursions to exotic locations like Benidorm after brexit.Giving our British resorts a much need boost!
bob you must be joking arnt you priced out of holidays abroad and giving the British resorts a boost ppl go abroad because they can’t afford to holiday in the uk because it’s to expensive doesn’t matter what to prices are after brexit the same numbers will travel over seas like they have for decades it’s just more doom and gloom on here everyday it is funny tho I’ll give you that lol"
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How do you know what ppl are spending on hols most ppl I know are spending more ppl don’t actually go on hol to save money it’s there one big spend of the year and more brits holiday abroad than any other country |
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"The UK is full of leavers we have the highest number of citzens living abroad in the EU .More than any other EU country .
A nation of migrants flooding other EU countries .
Taking their jobs, milking their welfare systems sending all that money back home to blighty! how dare we?!
I know who would of known we are the biggest migrants in the EU.Hopefully all these foreigners will be kicked out and sent bakj to Blighty .The dirty bastards....do we need more bloody leavers though coming home
Then of course there's the violence we take with us abroad. All the stabbings and acid attacks etc. We should be ashamed of ourselves. Going around the place opening Anglican churches everywhere. Blocking roads with our incessant worshipping.
I know the costa del sol is a British gangsters paradise .Im not sure shy we don't have a ban on brits going abroad falling off mopeds d*unk killing locals and they piss and vomit all over those quant European streets from Malaga to Crete Its a disgrace .Should we continue to export violence and terror to holiday destinations.
Certainly not. Especially as most of these people are working class! They should know their place!
Brexit should ensure we keep our gangsters on the English Rivera and our chavs in Weymouth,Blackpool and margate.The working class will be priced out of foreign excursions to exotic locations like Benidorm after brexit.Giving our British resorts a much need boost!
bob you must be joking arnt you priced out of holidays abroad and giving the British resorts a boost ppl go abroad because they can’t afford to holiday in the uk because it’s to expensive doesn’t matter what to prices are after brexit the same numbers will travel over seas like they have for decades it’s just more doom and gloom on here everyday it is funny tho I’ll give you that lol
They're travelling but spending less. Not surprising as you can buy about 30% less than you could."
Not true and depends on where people go. If you take Turkey as an example at the moment then the Turkish Lira has just nose dived. Millions of Brits holiday in Turkey each year and the Brits will get a very good exchange rate at the moment as Pound Sterling looks strong compared to Turkish Lira. |
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"How do you know what ppl are spending on hols most ppl I know are spending more ppl don’t actually go on hol to save money it’s there one big spend of the year and more brits holiday abroad than any other country "
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"Is Monaco in the EU?
Is Monaco in the UK?
Is leaving the UK a vote of confidence in the UK, whatever the destination?
You didn't actually answer the question that was asked.
Is Monaco in the EU was the question.
Just saying.
That is absolutely your worst attempt yet at "winning" a point Centaur.
Of course Monaco isn't in the EU. Everybody is aware of that.
The point is that a Brexit cheerleader is leaving the UK in a resounding vote of confidence in our country.
You also posted this immediately after failing to answer my question to you.
You always demand responses, rarely answer yourself then get angry when it's pointed out to you.
Have a look through the current threads. Is there a reason for not replying?
Scared? Too difficult? Too contradictory to your stated position? "
No. The point is he's moving out of the UK to a non EU country. If the EU is so good as you seem to think why isn't he moving to an EU country?
That is not a resounding vote of confidence in the EU.
And you're very fond of pulling others up on here for not answering your inane questions, don't be surprised then when others pull you up when you don't answer questions. |
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By *ollie1Couple
over a year ago
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may suprise you _ercury but i agree with you
3 or more referendums would be crazy
my point is the 1st referendum was buying a pig in a poke
once the pig and the poke are known a second vote would clear up any doubts
if the vote was still to leave nothing more to discuss
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"Why do ppl talk about a second vote when they know it’s not even on the cards it’s just a waste of your time "
There will be no other referendums ever again.It will take a generation for the real effect of brexit to be seen and the divisions to heal.Whatever happens after that I'm not really bothered about as I will be retired.
.Viva la brexit!
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"I love how a thread about people using the same arguments over and over again has devolved into another discussion where people use the same arguments over and over again haha it’s same old shit diffrent day on here again
Same shit dragged up by the same 3 posters day in day out! Gotta feel sorry for them really. they just can’t get over the fact it was a vote to leave and they actually think posting on here day in day out will change ppls minds
Its quite sad that some people will never change their mind, despite mounting evidence.
I thought most people on the politics forum voted remain?
What does that have to do with my post?
Well as far as i see it most of us voted remain. A handful voted leave for what they believe rightly or wrongly was the right reason for them. So they're unlikely to say Hey i was wrong. So you guys are just making the politics a nasty place to be for your own confirmation bias? Why? You've been chucked out of the lounge for being dull, now the same is happening here. I really don't know what your goal is. unless you want to say Yah boo i told you so like a ten year old might?
The point is to rebut the leave argument not just here but anywhere where their false arguments get raised. Do I, or any others, expect a sudden epiphany amongst Leave supports to suddenly either accept or admit that they were wrong? No, but that's not the point of a discussion or argument. The point is to convince others who might read the falsehoods peddled by leave and, without the contradictory argument being put forward, believe that what they say is in fact true.
Maybe if Leave supporters had actually engaged in the discussion, rather always trying to shut it down with comments like "get over it you lost", "winging remoanrers" and "sour lossers" they might still be winning the argument. As it is Leavers refusal to properly defend the Leave position is a classic case of snatching defeat out of that jaws of their victory. They may have won the initial big battle but they are definitely loosing the on going war. BREXIT is turning out to be nothing like the BREXIT they thought they voted for, you've said as much yourself. can you tell us leave voters what the hell is this on going war what is this war going to achieve and why do you want leave voters to say they got it wrong so you can say I told you so lol"
It's a metaphor for the two year post referendum argument that had been on going.
Personally I'm not really that bothered if hard line BREXITers realise, accept, admit or even agree and say that they were wrong. I'm not bothered and don't expect it either. What I do care about is that BREXITers fallacious arguments don't go unchallenged and take in other people without first being challenged for truth and accuracy, and what both the likely and inevitable consequences of following through on their arguments will be.
Maybe if BREXITers had put as much effort into making the case for BREXIT rather than constantly trying to shut down all discussion on the matter they might still have won the argument. There again maybe not, it's pretty difficult to fool all the people all the time.
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"Enough of the fighting, chill out a bit and enjoy life, no?
It'll all be fine in the end....no one will die....ok maybe a handful ...but not that many more than are usually dying of poverty or fake wars.
We've heard all the same arguments over and over in every thread. The same BS.
Yeah I agree, we’ve all got different opinions on what will happen but nobody really knows, we’re all experts from behind a keyboard. Has anyone on here invested money based on what they think the result will be ?
Some finance guru billionaire said he would stake his entire multi billion fortune ( somewhere around 3 billion from memory) on the UK doing ok after brexit. Now, obviously he didn't actually make a real bet, but he did state it publicly, which is a brave thing to do, backing something so publicly.
No one knows for certain exactly how things will turn out, but hearing someone like him giving the thumbs up to the UK is a nice change from all the doom-mongers and nay-sayers, who predict al sorts, from riots to Armaggeddon lol
So credible you don't even know his name. False god's.
This is why the general public shouldn't be allowed to vote
His name is Peter Hargreaves who is a top financier. He is the founder of firm Hargreaves Lansdown.
He said he would stake his £3.6 billion fortune on the UK getting free trade with the EU in a no deal Brexit. He said quitting the EU without a deal is the best option for the UK.
Hargreaves said, "No Deal would give us free trade. The EU's three biggest economies outside Britain are huge exporters to the UK - Germany, France and Italy. They would demand free trade from the EU with the UK. I guarantee my entire wealth we'd get it". "
If we have Free Trade with the EU then that has to by agreement. If we have an agreement then that's a deal. How can we have a no deal BREXIT with a deal. That's a bit of an oxymoron.
Or, in BREXIT world, is it that whilst 'BREXIT' means'BREXIT', 'no deal' actually means 'a deal' |
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"Is Monaco in the EU?
Is Monaco in the UK?
Is leaving the UK a vote of confidence in the UK, whatever the destination?
You didn't actually answer the question that was asked.
Is Monaco in the EU was the question.
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Just saying. "
Monaco is not a member of the EU. However it is a part of the Customs Union, most aspects of the Single Market, full member of Schengen free movement area, full member of the Euro currency area. All Monaco's relations with the EU are conducted through France.
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"Enough of the fighting, chill out a bit and enjoy life, no?
It'll all be fine in the end....no one will die....ok maybe a handful ...but not that many more than are usually dying of poverty or fake wars.
We've heard all the same arguments over and over in every thread. The same BS.
Yeah I agree, we’ve all got different opinions on what will happen but nobody really knows, we’re all experts from behind a keyboard. Has anyone on here invested money based on what they think the result will be ?
Some finance guru billionaire said he would stake his entire multi billion fortune ( somewhere around 3 billion from memory) on the UK doing ok after brexit. Now, obviously he didn't actually make a real bet, but he did state it publicly, which is a brave thing to do, backing something so publicly.
No one knows for certain exactly how things will turn out, but hearing someone like him giving the thumbs up to the UK is a nice change from all the doom-mongers and nay-sayers, who predict al sorts, from riots to Armaggeddon lol
So credible you don't even know his name. False god's.
This is why the general public shouldn't be allowed to vote
His name is Peter Hargreaves who is a top financier. He is the founder of firm Hargreaves Lansdown.
He said he would stake his £3.6 billion fortune on the UK getting free trade with the EU in a no deal Brexit. He said quitting the EU without a deal is the best option for the UK.
Hargreaves said, "No Deal would give us free trade. The EU's three biggest economies outside Britain are huge exporters to the UK - Germany, France and Italy. They would demand free trade from the EU with the UK. I guarantee my entire wealth we'd get it".
Sir Jim Ratcliffe: UK's richest man and ardent Brexiteer is moving to Monaco
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/jim-ratcliffe-brexit-uk-richest-man-monaco-move-tax-haven-eu-leave-a8484211.html
Just saying
So you're saying he's moving to a country that isn't in the EU then. "
By my definition of the EU, which is the legal definition, they are not but by your definition (which is if you're in the Single Market or the Customs Union you're in the EU) they it is. |
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"The UK is full of leavers we have the highest number of citzens living abroad in the EU .More than any other EU country .
A nation of migrants flooding other EU countries .
Taking their jobs, milking their welfare systems sending all that money back home to blighty! how dare we?!
I know who would of known we are the biggest migrants in the EU.Hopefully all these foreigners will be kicked out and sent bakj to Blighty .The dirty bastards....do we need more bloody leavers though coming home "
My dear fellow that's balderdash. British people living overseas are not migrants they're Ex-pats; don't you know. Now don't be such a chump, there's a good fellow. |
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"just a thought
if the leavers are so positive of their case why are they so frightened of a second referendum
could it be that they are afraid many people will have changed their minds once the full facts are known
if thats the case are people not allowed to reconsider their decision isnt that a democracy
The EU Referendum wasn't a "best of 3" scenario.
Have a second referendum and the outcome is as close as the first....then where do you go?"
Anywhere as long as it's not over a cliff. |
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"The UK is full of leavers we have the highest number of citzens living abroad in the EU .More than any other EU country .
A nation of migrants flooding other EU countries .
Taking their jobs, milking their welfare systems sending all that money back home to blighty! how dare we?!
I know who would of known we are the biggest migrants in the EU.Hopefully all these foreigners will be kicked out and sent bakj to Blighty .The dirty bastards....do we need more bloody leavers though coming home
My dear fellow that's balderdash. British people living overseas are not migrants they're Ex-pats; don't you know. Now don't be such a chump, there's a good fellow."
Are they economic migrants? |
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"The UK is full of leavers we have the highest number of citzens living abroad in the EU .More than any other EU country .
A nation of migrants flooding other EU countries .
Taking their jobs, milking their welfare systems sending all that money back home to blighty! how dare we?!
I know who would of known we are the biggest migrants in the EU.Hopefully all these foreigners will be kicked out and sent bakj to Blighty .The dirty bastards....do we need more bloody leavers though coming home
My dear fellow that's balderdash. British people living overseas are not migrants they're Ex-pats; don't you know. Now don't be such a chump, there's a good fellow.
Are they economic migrants?"
Of course not. They're Ex-pats fulfilling their part in Britain's manifest destiny to make the world England. |
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"The UK is full of leavers we have the highest number of citzens living abroad in the EU .More than any other EU country .
A nation of migrants flooding other EU countries .
Taking their jobs, milking their welfare systems sending all that money back home to blighty! how dare we?!
I know who would of known we are the biggest migrants in the EU.Hopefully all these foreigners will be kicked out and sent bakj to Blighty .The dirty bastards....do we need more bloody leavers though coming home
My dear fellow that's balderdash. British people living overseas are not migrants they're Ex-pats; don't you know. Now don't be such a chump, there's a good fellow.
Are they economic migrants?
Of course not. They're Ex-pats fulfilling their part in Britain's manifest destiny to make the world England."
Why are so many remoaners self loathing? Never a good word to say about their own country, or countrymen. |
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"The UK is full of leavers we have the highest number of citzens living abroad in the EU .More than any other EU country .
A nation of migrants flooding other EU countries .
Taking their jobs, milking their welfare systems sending all that money back home to blighty! how dare we?!
I know who would of known we are the biggest migrants in the EU.Hopefully all these foreigners will be kicked out and sent bakj to Blighty .The dirty bastards....do we need more bloody leavers though coming home
My dear fellow that's balderdash. British people living overseas are not migrants they're Ex-pats; don't you know. Now don't be such a chump, there's a good fellow.
Are they economic migrants?
Of course not. They're Ex-pats fulfilling their part in Britain's manifest destiny to make the world England.
Why are so many remoaners self loathing? Never a good word to say about their own country, or countrymen."
It it snowing where you are by any chance? |
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"Wow cracked for someone who’s not all that bothered you sound all that bothered mate
Am I bothered? Am I?
Do I look bothered? Do I?
I'm not bothered OK. Really, really not bothered. Got it?
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You do come across as bothered, amongst other things. |
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"Wow cracked for someone who’s not all that bothered you sound all that bothered mate
Am I bothered? Am I?
Do I look bothered? Do I?
I'm not bothered OK. Really, really not bothered. Got it?
You do come across as bothered, amongst other things. "
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Is Monaco in the EU?
Is Monaco in the UK?
Is leaving the UK a vote of confidence in the UK, whatever the destination?
You didn't actually answer the question that was asked.
Is Monaco in the EU was the question.
Just saying.
That is absolutely your worst attempt yet at "winning" a point Centaur.
Of course Monaco isn't in the EU. Everybody is aware of that.
The point is that a Brexit cheerleader is leaving the UK in a resounding vote of confidence in our country.
You also posted this immediately after failing to answer my question to you.
You always demand responses, rarely answer yourself then get angry when it's pointed out to you.
Have a look through the current threads. Is there a reason for not replying?
Scared? Too difficult? Too contradictory to your stated position?
No. The point is he's moving out of the UK to a non EU country. If the EU is so good as you seem to think why isn't he moving to an EU country?
That is not a resounding vote of confidence in the EU.
And you're very fond of pulling others up on here for not answering your inane questions, don't be surprised then when others pull you up when you don't answer questions. "
You attempted to pull me up on a point not worth discussing. Well done.
He is a Brexiteer. He has no confidence in the EU apparently other than Monaco using the Euro and being in the Schengen area.
You you might expect him to have confidence in the UK.
You like to shout loudly about your ignorance don't you? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"Why do ppl talk about a second vote when they know it’s not even on the cards it’s just a waste of your time "
It is on the cards. That's why it's being discussed.
Demographics, the narrow vote and the shambolic negotiation process is pushing it.
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"The UK is full of leavers we have the highest number of citzens living abroad in the EU .More than any other EU country .
A nation of migrants flooding other EU countries .
Taking their jobs, milking their welfare systems sending all that money back home to blighty! how dare we?!
I know who would of known we are the biggest migrants in the EU.Hopefully all these foreigners will be kicked out and sent bakj to Blighty .The dirty bastards....do we need more bloody leavers though coming home
Then of course there's the violence we take with us abroad. All the stabbings and acid attacks etc. We should be ashamed of ourselves. Going around the place opening Anglican churches everywhere. Blocking roads with our incessant worshipping.
I know the costa del sol is a British gangsters paradise .Im not sure shy we don't have a ban on brits going abroad falling off mopeds d*unk killing locals and they piss and vomit all over those quant European streets from Malaga to Crete Its a disgrace .Should we continue to export violence and terror to holiday destinations.
Certainly not. Especially as most of these people are working class! They should know their place!
Brexit should ensure we keep our gangsters on the English Rivera and our chavs in Weymouth,Blackpool and margate.The working class will be priced out of foreign excursions to exotic locations like Benidorm after brexit.Giving our British resorts a much need boost!
bob you must be joking arnt you priced out of holidays abroad and giving the British resorts a boost ppl go abroad because they can’t afford to holiday in the uk because it’s to expensive doesn’t matter what to prices are after brexit the same numbers will travel over seas like they have for decades it’s just more doom and gloom on here everyday it is funny tho I’ll give you that lol
They're travelling but spending less. Not surprising as you can buy about 30% less than you could.
Not true and depends on where people go. If you take Turkey as an example at the moment then the Turkish Lira has just nose dived. Millions of Brits holiday in Turkey each year and the Brits will get a very good exchange rate at the moment as Pound Sterling looks strong compared to Turkish Lira. "
So rather than choosing from the whole of the EU or the entire world because of a relatively strong currency everyone has to go to Turkey because the currency is collapsing due to a political and economic melt-down.
Sterling looks strong next to that. What a win for the common man |
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"The UK is full of leavers we have the highest number of citzens living abroad in the EU .More than any other EU country .
A nation of migrants flooding other EU countries .
Taking their jobs, milking their welfare systems sending all that money back home to blighty! how dare we?!
I know who would of known we are the biggest migrants in the EU.Hopefully all these foreigners will be kicked out and sent bakj to Blighty .The dirty bastards....do we need more bloody leavers though coming home
Then of course there's the violence we take with us abroad. All the stabbings and acid attacks etc. We should be ashamed of ourselves. Going around the place opening Anglican churches everywhere. Blocking roads with our incessant worshipping.
I know the costa del sol is a British gangsters paradise .Im not sure shy we don't have a ban on brits going abroad falling off mopeds d*unk killing locals and they piss and vomit all over those quant European streets from Malaga to Crete Its a disgrace .Should we continue to export violence and terror to holiday destinations.
Certainly not. Especially as most of these people are working class! They should know their place!
Brexit should ensure we keep our gangsters on the English Rivera and our chavs in Weymouth,Blackpool and margate.The working class will be priced out of foreign excursions to exotic locations like Benidorm after brexit.Giving our British resorts a much need boost!
bob you must be joking arnt you priced out of holidays abroad and giving the British resorts a boost ppl go abroad because they can’t afford to holiday in the uk because it’s to expensive doesn’t matter what to prices are after brexit the same numbers will travel over seas like they have for decades it’s just more doom and gloom on here everyday it is funny tho I’ll give you that lol
They're travelling but spending less. Not surprising as you can buy about 30% less than you could.
Not true and depends on where people go. If you take Turkey as an example at the moment then the Turkish Lira has just nose dived. Millions of Brits holiday in Turkey each year and the Brits will get a very good exchange rate at the moment as Pound Sterling looks strong compared to Turkish Lira.
So rather than choosing from the whole of the EU or the entire world because of a relatively strong currency everyone has to go to Turkey because the currency is collapsing due to a political and economic melt-down.
Sterling looks strong next to that. What a win for the common man "
Make your mind up.
Just last week you were singing Turkey's praises on here, after I pulled you up about Ford moving their Transit Factory out of Southampton over to Turkey a few years before the referendum. You were saying Turkey are in a customs union with the EU and what a good deal it is for them,..... fat lot of good an EU customs union is doing them now the Lira has tanked, Lol. |
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"The UK is full of leavers we have the highest number of citzens living abroad in the EU .More than any other EU country .
A nation of migrants flooding other EU countries .
Taking their jobs, milking their welfare systems sending all that money back home to blighty! how dare we?!
I know who would of known we are the biggest migrants in the EU.Hopefully all these foreigners will be kicked out and sent bakj to Blighty .The dirty bastards....do we need more bloody leavers though coming home
Then of course there's the violence we take with us abroad. All the stabbings and acid attacks etc. We should be ashamed of ourselves. Going around the place opening Anglican churches everywhere. Blocking roads with our incessant worshipping.
I know the costa del sol is a British gangsters paradise .Im not sure shy we don't have a ban on brits going abroad falling off mopeds d*unk killing locals and they piss and vomit all over those quant European streets from Malaga to Crete Its a disgrace .Should we continue to export violence and terror to holiday destinations.
Certainly not. Especially as most of these people are working class! They should know their place!
Brexit should ensure we keep our gangsters on the English Rivera and our chavs in Weymouth,Blackpool and margate.The working class will be priced out of foreign excursions to exotic locations like Benidorm after brexit.Giving our British resorts a much need boost!
bob you must be joking arnt you priced out of holidays abroad and giving the British resorts a boost ppl go abroad because they can’t afford to holiday in the uk because it’s to expensive doesn’t matter what to prices are after brexit the same numbers will travel over seas like they have for decades it’s just more doom and gloom on here everyday it is funny tho I’ll give you that lol
They're travelling but spending less. Not surprising as you can buy about 30% less than you could.
Not true and depends on where people go. If you take Turkey as an example at the moment then the Turkish Lira has just nose dived. Millions of Brits holiday in Turkey each year and the Brits will get a very good exchange rate at the moment as Pound Sterling looks strong compared to Turkish Lira.
So rather than choosing from the whole of the EU or the entire world because of a relatively strong currency everyone has to go to Turkey because the currency is collapsing due to a political and economic melt-down.
Sterling looks strong next to that. What a win for the common man "
I can honestly say when I’m booking a family holiday abroad iv never looked at the currency rates it’s a family holiday it’s never crossed my mind I’m more bothered about how close the hotel is to the beach as it got a nice pool lol |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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I don't think the chequers plan will fly either with the EU or our own Parliament. We're heading for a no deal brexit in March 2019. Best way really a complete clean break is what I'd personally prefer. "
you are actually the most scary type of brexiteer.... because i really... really don't think you have any idea of what that means....
read article 50..... the key part is paragraph 3
"3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period."
that would mean that as of 11pm on march 29th 2019 we would not be party to a single eu agreement..... not on policing, not on aviation, not on food safety, not on medicine, not on pensions, not on financial services ect ect.....
nothing...
i was trying to think of a travel analogy.... remember when that icelandic volcano went tits up and nothing could fly over european airspace for about 10 days... and what chaos that caused.......
imagine that....
and then there are the little things as well your "clean brexit" would cause....
i can already hear you saying "well i'll take my car and travel to europe"..... other than the international permit thing we discussed in another thread... your uk driving insurance wouldn't be valid in the eu (insurance comes under financial services.)... so you are going to need to spend more money on another set of insurance that you won't be able to buy until you get there (because that comes under financial passporting rights and they won't be able to sell "cross border")
thats just one tiny example.......
i don't get why people are cheering on a no deal brexit..... its a bit like cheering on someone taking a run up to kick you in the balls!!!!! |
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"The UK is full of leavers we have the highest number of citzens living abroad in the EU .More than any other EU country .
A nation of migrants flooding other EU countries .
Taking their jobs, milking their welfare systems sending all that money back home to blighty! how dare we?!
I know who would of known we are the biggest migrants in the EU.Hopefully all these foreigners will be kicked out and sent bakj to Blighty .The dirty bastards....do we need more bloody leavers though coming home
Then of course there's the violence we take with us abroad. All the stabbings and acid attacks etc. We should be ashamed of ourselves. Going around the place opening Anglican churches everywhere. Blocking roads with our incessant worshipping.
I know the costa del sol is a British gangsters paradise .Im not sure shy we don't have a ban on brits going abroad falling off mopeds d*unk killing locals and they piss and vomit all over those quant European streets from Malaga to Crete Its a disgrace .Should we continue to export violence and terror to holiday destinations.
Certainly not. Especially as most of these people are working class! They should know their place!
Brexit should ensure we keep our gangsters on the English Rivera and our chavs in Weymouth,Blackpool and margate.The working class will be priced out of foreign excursions to exotic locations like Benidorm after brexit.Giving our British resorts a much need boost!
bob you must be joking arnt you priced out of holidays abroad and giving the British resorts a boost ppl go abroad because they can’t afford to holiday in the uk because it’s to expensive doesn’t matter what to prices are after brexit the same numbers will travel over seas like they have for decades it’s just more doom and gloom on here everyday it is funny tho I’ll give you that lol
They're travelling but spending less. Not surprising as you can buy about 30% less than you could.
Not true and depends on where people go. If you take Turkey as an example at the moment then the Turkish Lira has just nose dived. Millions of Brits holiday in Turkey each year and the Brits will get a very good exchange rate at the moment as Pound Sterling looks strong compared to Turkish Lira.
So rather than choosing from the whole of the EU or the entire world because of a relatively strong currency everyone has to go to Turkey because the currency is collapsing due to a political and economic melt-down.
Sterling looks strong next to that. What a win for the common man I can honestly say when I’m booking a family holiday abroad iv never looked at the currency rates it’s a family holiday it’s never crossed my mind I’m more bothered about how close the hotel is to the beach as it got a nice pool lol"
I tend to agree. However when you get there and suddenly find, unlike before when everything was cheaper than home, it's all more expensive, it does put a bit of a damper on things; don't you think? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"The UK is full of leavers we have the highest number of citzens living abroad in the EU .More than any other EU country .
A nation of migrants flooding other EU countries .
Taking their jobs, milking their welfare systems sending all that money back home to blighty! how dare we?!
I know who would of known we are the biggest migrants in the EU.Hopefully all these foreigners will be kicked out and sent bakj to Blighty .The dirty bastards....do we need more bloody leavers though coming home
Then of course there's the violence we take with us abroad. All the stabbings and acid attacks etc. We should be ashamed of ourselves. Going around the place opening Anglican churches everywhere. Blocking roads with our incessant worshipping.
I know the costa del sol is a British gangsters paradise .Im not sure shy we don't have a ban on brits going abroad falling off mopeds d*unk killing locals and they piss and vomit all over those quant European streets from Malaga to Crete Its a disgrace .Should we continue to export violence and terror to holiday destinations.
Certainly not. Especially as most of these people are working class! They should know their place!
Brexit should ensure we keep our gangsters on the English Rivera and our chavs in Weymouth,Blackpool and margate.The working class will be priced out of foreign excursions to exotic locations like Benidorm after brexit.Giving our British resorts a much need boost!
bob you must be joking arnt you priced out of holidays abroad and giving the British resorts a boost ppl go abroad because they can’t afford to holiday in the uk because it’s to expensive doesn’t matter what to prices are after brexit the same numbers will travel over seas like they have for decades it’s just more doom and gloom on here everyday it is funny tho I’ll give you that lol
They're travelling but spending less. Not surprising as you can buy about 30% less than you could.
Not true and depends on where people go. If you take Turkey as an example at the moment then the Turkish Lira has just nose dived. Millions of Brits holiday in Turkey each year and the Brits will get a very good exchange rate at the moment as Pound Sterling looks strong compared to Turkish Lira.
So rather than choosing from the whole of the EU or the entire world because of a relatively strong currency everyone has to go to Turkey because the currency is collapsing due to a political and economic melt-down.
Sterling looks strong next to that. What a win for the common man I can honestly say when I’m booking a family holiday abroad iv never looked at the currency rates it’s a family holiday it’s never crossed my mind I’m more bothered about how close the hotel is to the beach as it got a nice pool lol"
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Everything every year is more expensive the price of a pint in benidorm as shot up since last yr I was there in June it’s life petrol services insurance food drink it’s been going up since forever I just don’t think anything will go up as much as you think but time will tell because know one realy knows or do you ? |
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"The UK is full of leavers we have the highest number of citzens living abroad in the EU .More than any other EU country .
A nation of migrants flooding other EU countries .
Taking their jobs, milking their welfare systems sending all that money back home to blighty! how dare we?!
I know who would of known we are the biggest migrants in the EU.Hopefully all these foreigners will be kicked out and sent bakj to Blighty .The dirty bastards....do we need more bloody leavers though coming home
Then of course there's the violence we take with us abroad. All the stabbings and acid attacks etc. We should be ashamed of ourselves. Going around the place opening Anglican churches everywhere. Blocking roads with our incessant worshipping.
I know the costa del sol is a British gangsters paradise .Im not sure shy we don't have a ban on brits going abroad falling off mopeds d*unk killing locals and they piss and vomit all over those quant European streets from Malaga to Crete Its a disgrace .Should we continue to export violence and terror to holiday destinations.
Certainly not. Especially as most of these people are working class! They should know their place!
Brexit should ensure we keep our gangsters on the English Rivera and our chavs in Weymouth,Blackpool and margate.The working class will be priced out of foreign excursions to exotic locations like Benidorm after brexit.Giving our British resorts a much need boost!
bob you must be joking arnt you priced out of holidays abroad and giving the British resorts a boost ppl go abroad because they can’t afford to holiday in the uk because it’s to expensive doesn’t matter what to prices are after brexit the same numbers will travel over seas like they have for decades it’s just more doom and gloom on here everyday it is funny tho I’ll give you that lol
They're travelling but spending less. Not surprising as you can buy about 30% less than you could.
Not true and depends on where people go. If you take Turkey as an example at the moment then the Turkish Lira has just nose dived. Millions of Brits holiday in Turkey each year and the Brits will get a very good exchange rate at the moment as Pound Sterling looks strong compared to Turkish Lira.
So rather than choosing from the whole of the EU or the entire world because of a relatively strong currency everyone has to go to Turkey because the currency is collapsing due to a political and economic melt-down.
Sterling looks strong next to that. What a win for the common man I can honestly say when I’m booking a family holiday abroad iv never looked at the currency rates it’s a family holiday it’s never crossed my mind I’m more bothered about how close the hotel is to the beach as it got a nice pool lol
Lucky you and I have the finances for it not to be a concern then "
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"The UK is full of leavers we have the highest number of citzens living abroad in the EU .More than any other EU country .
A nation of migrants flooding other EU countries .
Taking their jobs, milking their welfare systems sending all that money back home to blighty! how dare we?!
I know who would of known we are the biggest migrants in the EU.Hopefully all these foreigners will be kicked out and sent bakj to Blighty .The dirty bastards....do we need more bloody leavers though coming home
Then of course there's the violence we take with us abroad. All the stabbings and acid attacks etc. We should be ashamed of ourselves. Going around the place opening Anglican churches everywhere. Blocking roads with our incessant worshipping.
I know the costa del sol is a British gangsters paradise .Im not sure shy we don't have a ban on brits going abroad falling off mopeds d*unk killing locals and they piss and vomit all over those quant European streets from Malaga to Crete Its a disgrace .Should we continue to export violence and terror to holiday destinations.
Certainly not. Especially as most of these people are working class! They should know their place!
Brexit should ensure we keep our gangsters on the English Rivera and our chavs in Weymouth,Blackpool and margate.The working class will be priced out of foreign excursions to exotic locations like Benidorm after brexit.Giving our British resorts a much need boost!
bob you must be joking arnt you priced out of holidays abroad and giving the British resorts a boost ppl go abroad because they can’t afford to holiday in the uk because it’s to expensive doesn’t matter what to prices are after brexit the same numbers will travel over seas like they have for decades it’s just more doom and gloom on here everyday it is funny tho I’ll give you that lol
They're travelling but spending less. Not surprising as you can buy about 30% less than you could.
Not true and depends on where people go. If you take Turkey as an example at the moment then the Turkish Lira has just nose dived. Millions of Brits holiday in Turkey each year and the Brits will get a very good exchange rate at the moment as Pound Sterling looks strong compared to Turkish Lira.
So rather than choosing from the whole of the EU or the entire world because of a relatively strong currency everyone has to go to Turkey because the currency is collapsing due to a political and economic melt-down.
Sterling looks strong next to that. What a win for the common man
Make your mind up.
Just last week you were singing Turkey's praises on here, after I pulled you up about Ford moving their Transit Factory out of Southampton over to Turkey a few years before the referendum. You were saying Turkey are in a customs union with the EU and what a good deal it is for them,..... fat lot of good an EU customs union is doing them now the Lira has tanked, Lol. "
Are you really determined to look foolish?
Different topics. The reason for a multinational relocating several years ago and a currency collapse because a dictatorial leader like your heroes Trump and Putin running the country on their egos.
The actions of a government, like the UK, can screw up a country regardless of the benefits they may have from advantageous trade agreements.
One of the questions you've failed to answer is if the £450million payment to Ford UK was more or less than the £80million to Ford Turkey that "got them" to move. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"The UK is full of leavers we have the highest number of citzens living abroad in the EU .More than any other EU country .
A nation of migrants flooding other EU countries .
Taking their jobs, milking their welfare systems sending all that money back home to blighty! how dare we?!
I know who would of known we are the biggest migrants in the EU.Hopefully all these foreigners will be kicked out and sent bakj to Blighty .The dirty bastards....do we need more bloody leavers though coming home
Then of course there's the violence we take with us abroad. All the stabbings and acid attacks etc. We should be ashamed of ourselves. Going around the place opening Anglican churches everywhere. Blocking roads with our incessant worshipping.
I know the costa del sol is a British gangsters paradise .Im not sure shy we don't have a ban on brits going abroad falling off mopeds d*unk killing locals and they piss and vomit all over those quant European streets from Malaga to Crete Its a disgrace .Should we continue to export violence and terror to holiday destinations.
Certainly not. Especially as most of these people are working class! They should know their place!
Brexit should ensure we keep our gangsters on the English Rivera and our chavs in Weymouth,Blackpool and margate.The working class will be priced out of foreign excursions to exotic locations like Benidorm after brexit.Giving our British resorts a much need boost!
bob you must be joking arnt you priced out of holidays abroad and giving the British resorts a boost ppl go abroad because they can’t afford to holiday in the uk because it’s to expensive doesn’t matter what to prices are after brexit the same numbers will travel over seas like they have for decades it’s just more doom and gloom on here everyday it is funny tho I’ll give you that lol
They're travelling but spending less. Not surprising as you can buy about 30% less than you could.
Not true and depends on where people go. If you take Turkey as an example at the moment then the Turkish Lira has just nose dived. Millions of Brits holiday in Turkey each year and the Brits will get a very good exchange rate at the moment as Pound Sterling looks strong compared to Turkish Lira.
So rather than choosing from the whole of the EU or the entire world because of a relatively strong currency everyone has to go to Turkey because the currency is collapsing due to a political and economic melt-down.
Sterling looks strong next to that. What a win for the common man I can honestly say when I’m booking a family holiday abroad iv never looked at the currency rates it’s a family holiday it’s never crossed my mind I’m more bothered about how close the hotel is to the beach as it got a nice pool lol
Lucky you and I have the finances for it not to be a concern then so do you realy change your holiday plans based on currency then ?"
Once again, it would appear that you and I don't worry about these things.
Despite our disagreements you have always seemed like someone who is capable of having some empathy with those less fortunate. |
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Yes of corse I do but iv just never heard anyone down the local say was going to go to Spain this summer with the family but the pounds not to good so we are going to turkey instead the kids and wife are not to happy but iv got to think of the savings almost every one I know goes away now it’s not like it was yrs ago in the 80s I’d have to save for almost a yr now with the all inclusives it’s cheaper than a uk hol |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"Yes of corse I do but iv just never heard anyone down the local say was going to go to Spain this summer with the family but the pounds not to good so we are going to turkey instead the kids and wife are not to happy but iv got to think of the savings almost every one I know goes away now it’s not like it was yrs ago in the 80s I’d have to save for almost a yr now with the all inclusives it’s cheaper than a uk hol "
"They're travelling but spending less."
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"I love how a thread about people using the same arguments over and over again has devolved into another discussion where people use the same arguments over and over again haha it’s same old shit diffrent day on here again
Same shit dragged up by the same 3 posters day in day out! Gotta feel sorry for them really. they just can’t get over the fact it was a vote to leave and they actually think posting on here day in day out will change ppls minds
Its quite sad that some people will never change their mind, despite mounting evidence.
What mounting evidence????
All I'm seeing is a return to project fear by remainers, yet more ridiculous forecasts and predictions about economic armaggeddon exactly as remain did during the referendum 2 years ago. Your forecasts and predictions didn't come true 2 years ago, so what makes you think anyone will believe you now? You've already been discredited in that regard.
A forecast or a prediction is not evidence, it's just a guess about the future.
Yeah but you see what you want to see because your entire self image is on the line. Your ego won't let you entertain the idea of being wrong. It would destroy you. It's a terrible illness.
It's remainers who are ill, I'm very happy we're leaving and would be perfectly happy to leave with no deal. It was reported in the news just after the EU referendum result that remainers were seeing psychiatrists and shrinks because they couldn't come to terms with the result of the referendum. I think a few likely candidates are remainers on this forum.
Happy happy happy
If you are so happy, why do you have to promote and defend Brexit at every turn?
Back to the spirit of my original post, let it go and get on with life.
I post here because the false narrative and ridiculous propaganda of the remain campaign has to be challenged that why. "
But why...you won...they are just sore losers.
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