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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Tommy Robinson bailed after Court of Appeal win http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-45029755
Robinson out on bail after Judge agreed that the process that lead to his imprisonment was rushed and unfair.
I’m pretty indifferent towards Tommy R’s politics if I’m honest - I may even agree with him on some things, however, I am a big fan of the rule of law, so good news, ultimately. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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actually the fact he is out on bail is disappointing... the actual legal bit isn't as disappointing...
to keep tommy out of jail they actually had to challenge both sets of convictions....
the court upheld the canterbury court conviction..... but ordered a retrial in the leeds case...
so he still has the "3 month suspended sentence" bit from the canterbury case hanging over him regardless... so that will stop him interfering in any other cases..
they ordered a retrial in the leeds case on the grounds that the original charge may be flawed of the grounds of the reporting restrictions that had been placed, and not the fact that he pleaded guilty to the offence....
they could go back and just find that there was grounds that he did break the reporting restrictions around the case....
and he will go back to jail!
the other thing they also challenged was the length of sentence 2... 10 months, as they said it didn't take into consideration his personal circumstances.... although the explicit warning he was given at the end of the canterbury case will then be taken into consideration....
his lawyers are playing with fire here a bit because they could reduce his 2nd sentence... or they could increase it |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I have no time for people who try to intimidate witnesses by filming them going into court ect.
I don’t care about his personal politics that’s his business but he should be still held in contempt. |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"actually the fact he is out on bail is disappointing... the actual legal bit isn't as disappointing...
to keep tommy out of jail they actually had to challenge both sets of convictions....
the court upheld the canterbury court conviction..... but ordered a retrial in the leeds case...
so he still has the "3 month suspended sentence" bit from the canterbury case hanging over him regardless... so that will stop him interfering in any other cases..
they ordered a retrial in the leeds case on the grounds that the original charge may be flawed of the grounds of the reporting restrictions that had been placed, and not the fact that he pleaded guilty to the offence....
they could go back and just find that there was grounds that he did break the reporting restrictions around the case....
and he will go back to jail!
the other thing they also challenged was the length of sentence 2... 10 months, as they said it didn't take into consideration his personal circumstances.... although the explicit warning he was given at the end of the canterbury case will then be taken into consideration....
his lawyers are playing with fire here a bit because they could reduce his 2nd sentence... or they could increase it"
The judges said there was not "sufficient urgency" to justify proceedings being taken against him.
There was also a "muddle over the nature of the contempt being considered" and "the process was flawed", the judges added. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Tommy Robinson bailed after Court of Appeal win http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-45029755
Robinson out on bail after Judge agreed that the process that lead to his imprisonment was rushed and unfair.
I’m pretty indifferent towards Tommy R’s politics if I’m honest - I may even agree with him on some things, however, I am a big fan of the rule of law, so good news, ultimately."
I totally disagree with you,the rule of law is a discrace it is just a silicitors money making scam,has nothing to do with justice,this case is proof |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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have been in many courts up and down the country,tommy was fitted up, subjected to a mock pre determined hearing, ask any ex con, its obvious this guy was targeted...
The original judge ought to be done for perverting the course of justice |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"have been in many courts up and down the country,tommy was fitted up, subjected to a mock pre determined hearing, ask any ex con, its obvious this guy was targeted...
The original judge ought to be done for perverting the course of justice"
Hopefully the judge at the new trial will not make those mistakes. It’s taken time, but the system has corrected itself. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"have been in many courts up and down the country,tommy was fitted up, subjected to a mock pre determined hearing, ask any ex con, its obvious this guy was targeted...
The original judge ought to be done for perverting the course of justice"
1) the original judge was the one in the canterbury court case.... of which that verdict was upheld....
2) still waiting on someone to tell me if all this was the case, why did tommy still plead guilty in case 2? |
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By *oubepoMan
over a year ago
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"I have no time for people who try to intimidate witnesses by filming them going into court ect.
I don’t care about his personal politics that’s his business but he should be still held in contempt."
Sad that you have no concern for the thousands of children r@ped but stand up for a corrupt court case instead - shocking! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"have been in many courts up and down the country,tommy was fitted up, subjected to a mock pre determined hearing, ask any ex con, its obvious this guy was targeted...
The original judge ought to be done for perverting the course of justice
1) the original judge was the one in the canterbury court case.... of which that verdict was upheld....
2) still waiting on someone to tell me if all this was the case, why did tommy still plead guilty in case 2?
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I was speaking about the judge that gave him 13 months...
Regards pleading guilty, ask any ex con, sometimes when one knows they are being fitted up by the system and corrupt judges they simply plead guilty to get it over with, there are other reasons such as wife and children, given false promises if one pleads guilty they will be giving a fine or let off, not having time to prepare ones defence, times of stress...
I have been there, wore the tee shirt, at the end of the day we will only know when Tommy speaks about it... |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"I have no time for people who try to intimidate witnesses by filming them going into court ect.
I don’t care about his personal politics that’s his business but he should be still held in contempt.
Sad that you have no concern for the thousands of children r@ped but stand up for a corrupt court case instead - shocking! "
To be fair, neither does Tommy. He knew full well that doing what he did could jeapordise the court proceedings, but did it anyway for personal gain. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"have been in many courts up and down the country,tommy was fitted up, subjected to a mock pre determined hearing, ask any ex con, its obvious this guy was targeted...
The original judge ought to be done for perverting the course of justice
1) the original judge was the one in the canterbury court case.... of which that verdict was upheld....
2) still waiting on someone to tell me if all this was the case, why did tommy still plead guilty in case 2?
I was speaking about the judge that gave him 13 months...
Regards pleading guilty, ask any ex con, sometimes when one knows they are being fitted up by the system and corrupt judges they simply plead guilty to get it over with, there are other reasons such as wife and children, given false promises if one pleads guilty they will be giving a fine or let off, not having time to prepare ones defence, times of stress...
I have been there, wore the tee shirt, at the end of the day we will only know when Tommy speaks about it..."
no judge gave him 13 months!!!!
judge one gave him a 3 month sentence suspended for 24 months, because he was a first time pleader to that offence
judge two gave him a 10 month sentence because he was then a repeat offender, and had been given an explicit warning not to do it again by judge one
god if people are going to argue for tommy then at least they should have some idea of the case they are fighting!!!  |
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"have been in many courts up and down the country,tommy was fitted up, subjected to a mock pre determined hearing, ask any ex con, its obvious this guy was targeted...
The original judge ought to be done for perverting the course of justice
1) the original judge was the one in the canterbury court case.... of which that verdict was upheld....
2) still waiting on someone to tell me if all this was the case, why did tommy still plead guilty in case 2?
I was speaking about the judge that gave him 13 months...
Regards pleading guilty, ask any ex con, sometimes when one knows they are being fitted up by the system and corrupt judges they simply plead guilty to get it over with, there are other reasons such as wife and children, given false promises if one pleads guilty they will be giving a fine or let off, not having time to prepare ones defence, times of stress...
I have been there, wore the tee shirt, at the end of the day we will only know when Tommy speaks about it..."
Is the rest of his criminal record a case of being fitted up? The man is a complete cretin who will end up behind bars again one day without a doubt....which is the best place for him |
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He can continue to be a martyr for many causes. He has many strengths and it's a pity that he doesn't use them to the benefit of more deserving causes, rather than sustain high costs to the UK taxpayers. He could redirect his talents to improve major challenges that the world faces, that will have lethal consequences for millions.
A technicality in this instance has provided some freedom, hiking up what taxpayers must face. It's right that the law should be followed correctly in all instances though, by all parties. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Robinson, Yaxley Lennon, or whatever his name might be, is a loud mouthed uncouthed slob, for whom I have no time whatsoever.
However, there has to be a line in the sand as to what represents hate speech, and what is in fact merely reporting on facts.
Anybody who doesn’t believe that grooming gangs, consisting of almost exclusively Pakistani Muslims, are targeting vulnerable little white girls, up and down the country is deluded. Those who refuse to believe it are doing so for their own stupid, or perhaps sinister reasons.
One thing is certain. If we don’t all begin to look at this problem for what it is, instead of what we want it to be, then it will never go away.
Remember the victims are only children... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"have been in many courts up and down the country,tommy was fitted up, subjected to a mock pre determined hearing, ask any ex con, its obvious this guy was targeted...
The original judge ought to be done for perverting the course of justice
1) the original judge was the one in the canterbury court case.... of which that verdict was upheld....
2) still waiting on someone to tell me if all this was the case, why did tommy still plead guilty in case 2?
I was speaking about the judge that gave him 13 months...
Regards pleading guilty, ask any ex con, sometimes when one knows they are being fitted up by the system and corrupt judges they simply plead guilty to get it over with, there are other reasons such as wife and children, given false promises if one pleads guilty they will be giving a fine or let off, not having time to prepare ones defence, times of stress...
I have been there, wore the tee shirt, at the end of the day we will only know when Tommy speaks about it..."
Unless you’ve read something I haven’t, you’re creating a narrative here. It seems this is a case of not following due process rather than innocence. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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You are conflating two issues.
Every citizen as a right enshrined in law to a fair trial.
Every judge is responsible for ensuring that happens.
Imposing reporting restrictions on live cases is not unusual - the judge has concluded that aspects of the case could impinge on another yet-to-be-heard case, and the jury in that one should not be exposed to certain facts prematurely.
It's not unusual.
Quite often, you will hear a news report saying: "We can now reveal details of case X that we were unable to report at the time."
That is a judge trying to apply the law as fairly as he or she can.
Sure, we all have a right to free speech.
But that does not trump the right to a fair trial. And when one person's right impinges on the other, the law has to redress the balance, as happened here.
Whether society as a whole - local authorities, police or whatever - have been neglectful in the past dealing with r@pe gangs is a separate issue.
Plenty examples in recent times of institutional bias when it came to justice for a particular set of victims, being it child abuse, Hillsborough or whatever. I suspect Grenfell will be the next.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"He can continue to be a martyr for many causes. He has many strengths and it's a pity that he doesn't use them to the benefit of more deserving causes, rather than sustain high costs to the UK taxpayers. He could redirect his talents to improve major challenges that the world faces, that will have lethal consequences for millions.
A technicality in this instance has provided some freedom, hiking up what taxpayers must face. It's right that the law should be followed correctly in all instances though, by all parties. "
Seems to me that thousands of white children being racially and sexually abused does not constitute a deserving cause in your eyes for Tommy to speak out against...
Like others on this thread attacking the guy for standing up against the racial and sexual abuse of white children, you ought to hang your head in utter shame... |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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Like others on this thread attacking the guy for standing up against the racial and sexual abuse of white children, you ought to hang your head in utter shame..."
nope i am attacking him for thinking he is above the law.. we know that was the case in case 1, and that was upheld, it could be that he has done it twice.....!!!!
if everyone else has to abide by certain reporting restrictions set out by a court... why does he think those restrictions don't apply to him? |
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"He can continue to be a martyr for many causes. He has many strengths and it's a pity that he doesn't use them to the benefit of more deserving causes, rather than sustain high costs to the UK taxpayers. He could redirect his talents to improve major challenges that the world faces, that will have lethal consequences for millions.
A technicality in this instance has provided some freedom, hiking up what taxpayers must face. It's right that the law should be followed correctly in all instances though, by all parties.
Seems to me that thousands of white children being racially and sexually abused does not constitute a deserving cause in your eyes for Tommy to speak out against...
Like others on this thread attacking the guy for standing up against the racial and sexual abuse of white children, you ought to hang your head in utter shame..."
What bit of this case was too difficult for you to understand? His idiocy could easily have brought the case tumbling down. There are rules which he a) knew about and b) deliberately flouted. He's not a martyr nor is he a hero, he is a complete f#####g moron who seems to believe that the laws of the land should not apply to him |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Tommy is hated as he speaks out against the widespread racial and sexual abuse of little white children...
As said the thousands of little white children being racially and sexually abused on an industrial scale in this country seems to be of no account as evidenced in this thread and others
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As Tommy said once...it could be your child next.... |
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No he's hated because he nearly prejudiced a trial, which was there to convict and jail the people that he hates, so he was just foolish.
He nearly prejudiced it, to tell us what we already know.
And he goes about things in the wrong manner, which is why he has a string of convictions for violence.
And when all the normal right-wing press such as The Sun, The Daily Telegraph, The Spectator and Nick Ferrari are criticising him, then you have sufficient evidence that he is (a) the wrong man to be doing this; and (b) has gone too far.
He is too extreme. |
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"Tommy is hated as he speaks out against the widespread racial and sexual abuse of little white children...
As said the thousands of little white children being racially and sexually abused on an industrial scale in this country seems to be of no account as evidenced in this thread and others
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As Tommy said once...it could be your child next...."
The words of wisdom of a convicted felon....the sooner he's back behind bars the better |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Tommy is hated as he speaks out against the widespread racial and sexual abuse of little white children...
As said the thousands of little white children being racially and sexually abused on an industrial scale in this country seems to be of no account as evidenced in this thread and others
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As Tommy said once...it could be your child next....
The words of wisdom of a convicted felon....the sooner he's back behind bars the better"
He did pleaded guilty, so he probably will.
And hopefully all those guilty of crimes in the trial Tommy was recording, end up in jail too...preferably for life. |
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"Tommy is hated as he speaks out against the widespread racial and sexual abuse of little white children...
As said the thousands of little white children being racially and sexually abused on an industrial scale in this country seems to be of no account as evidenced in this thread and others
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As Tommy said once...it could be your child next....
The words of wisdom of a convicted felon....the sooner he's back behind bars the better
He did pleaded guilty, so he probably will.
And hopefully all those guilty of crimes in the trial Tommy was recording, end up in jail too...preferably for life."
absolutely. Im not defending their actions at all. They deserve whatever the law deems appropriate punishment |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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There are two types of people
Those who hate the groomers and want them to be brought to justice.
And those who hate groomers and are so desperate to be seen as hating groomers they are okay with groomers escaping justice just as long as you know they really hate Groomers.
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"Seems to me that thousands of white children being racially and sexually abused does not constitute a deserving cause in your eyes for Tommy to speak out against...
Like others on this thread attacking the guy for standing up against the racial and sexual abuse of white children, you ought to hang your head in utter shame..."
The way you say it, it almost sounds like somehow it's worse when white kids are sexually abused?
Which neatly mirrors how 'Tommy' seems to act, which is as if it's worse to be sexually abused by someone who isn't white... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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thats your perverse opinion on the matter, all children are precious and ought not to be targeted, singled out for racial and sexual abuse by organised gangs acting on an industrial scale up and down the country, as you well know its mainly little white children being targeted.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"thats your perverse opinion on the matter, all children are precious and ought not to be targeted, singled out for racial and sexual abuse by organised gangs acting on an industrial scale up and down the country, as you well know its mainly little white children being targeted.."
I agree I'm not a fan of the Catholic Church also .Its organised and a scale that's global.
Its disgusting that thousands of children have been abused in the house of the lord.  |
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"Tommy is hated as he speaks out against the widespread racial and sexual abuse of little white children...
As said the thousands of little white children being racially and sexually abused on an industrial scale in this country seems to be of no account as evidenced in this thread and others
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As Tommy said once...it could be your child next...."
He is a vile racist who only seems to have any sort of social conscience if there are people involved who are not white, you are totally naive if you think he gives a fuck about the children as he has not shown the same concerns when white people are involved in such crimes..
To pretend otherwise is stupid and to ignore the facts in his case where he pled guilty and his own actions could have jeopardised a trial where the interests of the victims has to be paramount in seeking justice is a nonsense.. |
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"No he's hated because he nearly prejudiced a trial, which was there to convict and jail the people that he hates, so he was just foolish.
He nearly prejudiced it, to tell us what we already know.
And he goes about things in the wrong manner, which is why he has a string of convictions for violence.
And when all the normal right-wing press such as The Sun, The Daily Telegraph, The Spectator and Nick Ferrari are criticising him, then you have sufficient evidence that he is (a) the wrong man to be doing this; and (b) has gone too far.
He is too extreme."
Not often we agree but spot on, people like Robinson are of the same vile mindset as the disgusting extremists in IS..
They only want hatred and division and care not a jot about how they pursue such ideological filth.. |
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By *J8929Man
over a year ago
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You have no time for a man who has probably bought more attention to the problems you go on to list then anybody in the entire country, surely if you so bothered by those crimes u list you should have time for the man who has bought more public attention to them then anybody, jeopardising his own freedom in the meantime. |
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"So he is the same mindset as Isis? get real he is a lot of things, but beheading people, raping women, and murdering entire community’s he is not "
Do you think everyone in the IS carries out such vile acts?
Robinson is a wannabe goebels, only intent on spreading hate to further his ideology..
He's happy to incite other's by his hate speech to carry out attacks but like most cowards of his ilk will sit back and let other's do the dirty work..
All hatred spread by such people should be rightly condemned by all decent people no matter what such people choose to use as their excuse.. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"Tommy is hated as he speaks out against the widespread racial and sexual abuse of little white children...
As said the thousands of little white children being racially and sexually abused on an industrial scale in this country seems to be of no account as evidenced in this thread and others
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As Tommy said once...it could be your child next...."
On an industrial scale?
That's quite an assertion.
He also did nothing to help (the accused were already standing trial and had not been caught by him, but by the police).
All he did was increase the likelihood that they wouldn't be convicted, so he can't hate them that much, can he? |
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By *J8929Man
over a year ago
london |
Do I think everybody in Isis carry out these vile acts, lmao r u being serius?
People who criticise Robinson are either virtue signalling, jumping on a bandwagon and have no idea of his views having done non of there own reasearch, or live in predominantly white areas and have no idea what he is talking about, living in inner city birmingham for a week and send your kids to schools round there and u may think he has a point |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"You have no time for a man who has probably bought more attention to the problems you go on to list then anybody in the entire country, surely if you so bothered by those crimes u list you should have time for the man who has bought more public attention to them then anybody, jeopardising his own freedom in the meantime. "
No he hasn't - previous trials were well reported on, once convictions had taken place. All he's done is try to make himself a martyr. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"Do I think everybody in Isis carry out these vile acts, lmao r u being serius?
People who criticise Robinson are either virtue signalling, jumping on a bandwagon and have no idea of his views having done non of there own reasearch, or live in predominantly white areas and have no idea what he is talking about, living in inner city birmingham for a week and send your kids to schools round there and u may think he has a point "
The problem is, we've done a fair amount of research, unlike you. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"He hasn’t? who has done more to bring it to public attention then? "
The previous cases were all reported in the national press (TV and newspapers) once the reporting ban had been lifted and convictions got. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"You may have known about these trials etc, but majority of the country would of been non the wiser "
No, that's because these ones were still under pressure restrictions to do two things - 1) Protect witnesses/Victims (Victims have been filmed/had photos in the paper in the past and this is just not on). 2)Ensures that the jury is not influenced, so that convictions are got and cannot be appealed as a mis-trial. |
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"Do I think everybody in Isis carry out these vile acts, lmao r u being serius?
People who criticise Robinson are either virtue signalling, jumping on a bandwagon and have no idea of his views having done non of there own reasearch, or live in predominantly white areas and have no idea what he is talking about, living in inner city birmingham for a week and send your kids to schools round there and u may think he has a point "
You don't know what your talking about obviously if you think only none white people have carried out such disgusting crimes..
Equally your 'point' about Birmingham is vacuous and without foundation but does indicate how you think about some sections of our societies..
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By *J8929Man
over a year ago
london |
I just don’t get the logic of everybody slating a man who draws attention too, and brings pressure on authorities, to deal with a huge problem, at the risk of his own Liberty and safety.
Nothing he has said isn’t true, he says it in a working class way, he is clearley no angel, but he obviously thinks he is doing the right thing and is showing courage regardless if you agree with him or not.
It’s easy to virtue signal and say he is scum, but I’d rather say the problems he draws attention to are the problems that are caused by genuine scum, everybody is just so driven to go “hey look at me I’m really progressive and not racist” rather then be brave and confront genuine cultural issues that are effecting people in poorer areas. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"Oh the irony of a white supremacist trying to flout the rules of a legal case, and then going to court to complain he was a victim of someone trying to flout the rules. W@nker.
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That's what they do isn't it?
Except Tommy didn't write about "his struggle" whilst incarcerated, opting instead to stick tape over his mouth, in a lazier effort to copy other far right leaders of the 1930s... |
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By *J8929Man
over a year ago
london |
"Do I think everybody in Isis carry out these vile acts, lmao r u being serius?
People who criticise Robinson are either virtue signalling, jumping on a bandwagon and have no idea of his views having done non of there own reasearch, or live in predominantly white areas and have no idea what he is talking about, living in inner city birmingham for a week and send your kids to schools round there and u may think he has a point
You don't know what your talking about obviously if you think only none white people have carried out such disgusting crimes..
Equally your 'point' about Birmingham is vacuous and without foundation but does indicate how you think about some sections of our societies..
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my point about birmingham is without foundation, haha no most people who slate Robinson live in predominantly white areas, who think thy know everything and people who support him are predominantly from poor inner city multicultural areas, who live amongst what he draws attention to everyday. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"Do I think everybody in Isis carry out these vile acts, lmao r u being serius?
People who criticise Robinson are either virtue signalling, jumping on a bandwagon and have no idea of his views having done non of there own reasearch, or live in predominantly white areas and have no idea what he is talking about, living in inner city birmingham for a week and send your kids to schools round there and u may think he has a point
You don't know what your talking about obviously if you think only none white people have carried out such disgusting crimes..
Equally your 'point' about Birmingham is vacuous and without foundation but does indicate how you think about some sections of our societies..
my point about birmingham is without foundation, haha no most people who slate Robinson live in predominantly white areas, who think thy know everything and people who support him are predominantly from poor inner city multicultural areas, who live amongst what he draws attention to everyday. "
Really? So people from multicultural areas support Tommy then?
Or do you mean (some) white people from multicultural areas? |
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"I just don’t get the logic of everybody slating a man who draws attention too, and brings pressure on authorities, to deal with a huge problem, at the risk of his own Liberty and safety.
Nothing he has said isn’t true, he says it in a working class way, he is clearley no angel, but he obviously thinks he is doing the right thing and is showing courage regardless if you agree with him or not.
It’s easy to virtue signal and say he is scum, but I’d rather say the problems he draws attention to are the problems that are caused by genuine scum, everybody is just so driven to go “hey look at me I’m really progressive and not racist” rather then be brave and confront genuine cultural issues that are effecting people in poorer areas. "
But he didn't did he..
He is only acting in the way he did which could have jeopardised a trial and allowed people who may be guilty of such disgusting allegations to walk free?
He did not apply pressure to anyone in his actions, had he stated that there is a lack of resources for the agencies who deal with such issues regardless of the colour of the alleged perpetrators then yeah maybe he would have done so but he didn't..
Does he not care for victim's of such crimes by white criminals?
Because his a actions thus far strongly indicate its not about the victims its about perpetuating his agenda..
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By *J8929Man
over a year ago
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It’s mainly poor white people from areas that have seen the problems first had and the downfall of there community’s, the police, there schools, there safety, not just white people obviously but predominantly yes, |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"Well it’s not posh white people from Surrey or Kent is it "
Have you ever been to Kent or Surrey? They have non-posh parts.
So do non white people from multicultural areas support Tommy then? |
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"Do I think everybody in Isis carry out these vile acts, lmao r u being serius?
People who criticise Robinson are either virtue signalling, jumping on a bandwagon and have no idea of his views having done non of there own reasearch, or live in predominantly white areas and have no idea what he is talking about, living in inner city birmingham for a week and send your kids to schools round there and u may think he has a point
You don't know what your talking about obviously if you think only none white people have carried out such disgusting crimes..
Equally your 'point' about Birmingham is vacuous and without foundation but does indicate how you think about some sections of our societies..
my point about birmingham is without foundation, haha no most people who slate Robinson live in predominantly white areas, who think thy know everything and people who support him are predominantly from poor inner city multicultural areas, who live amongst what he draws attention to everyday. "
So are you saying that such crimes only happen in poor inner city areas?
And are committed by none white people upon white victims?
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By *J8929Man
over a year ago
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"I just don’t get the logic of everybody slating a man who draws attention too, and brings pressure on authorities, to deal with a huge problem, at the risk of his own Liberty and safety.
Nothing he has said isn’t true, he says it in a working class way, he is clearley no angel, but he obviously thinks he is doing the right thing and is showing courage regardless if you agree with him or not.
It’s easy to virtue signal and say he is scum, but I’d rather say the problems he draws attention to are the problems that are caused by genuine scum, everybody is just so driven to go “hey look at me I’m really progressive and not racist” rather then be brave and confront genuine cultural issues that are effecting people in poorer areas.
But he didn't did he..
He is only acting in the way he did which could have jeopardised a trial and allowed people who may be guilty of such disgusting allegations to walk free?
He did not apply pressure to anyone in his actions, had he stated that there is a lack of resources for the agencies who deal with such issues regardless of the colour of the alleged perpetrators then yeah maybe he would have done so but he didn't..
Does he not care for victim's of such crimes by white criminals?
Because his a actions thus far strongly indicate its not about the victims its about perpetuating his agenda..
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say what you want about him but he has clearley put pressure on police forces and government agencies to address these problems, not solely down to him, and what is his agenda then? If your so clues up on the subject.
the court thing is one incident, that heppended v recently |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"It’s mainly poor white people from areas that have seen the problems first had and the downfall of there community’s, the police, there schools, there safety, not just white people obviously but predominantly yes, "
Interesting, because it is often those areas in which the Labour movement is strongest.
So is it most white people or just a minority? |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"I just don’t get the logic of everybody slating a man who draws attention too, and brings pressure on authorities, to deal with a huge problem, at the risk of his own Liberty and safety.
Nothing he has said isn’t true, he says it in a working class way, he is clearley no angel, but he obviously thinks he is doing the right thing and is showing courage regardless if you agree with him or not.
It’s easy to virtue signal and say he is scum, but I’d rather say the problems he draws attention to are the problems that are caused by genuine scum, everybody is just so driven to go “hey look at me I’m really progressive and not racist” rather then be brave and confront genuine cultural issues that are effecting people in poorer areas.
But he didn't did he..
He is only acting in the way he did which could have jeopardised a trial and allowed people who may be guilty of such disgusting allegations to walk free?
He did not apply pressure to anyone in his actions, had he stated that there is a lack of resources for the agencies who deal with such issues regardless of the colour of the alleged perpetrators then yeah maybe he would have done so but he didn't..
Does he not care for victim's of such crimes by white criminals?
Because his a actions thus far strongly indicate its not about the victims its about perpetuating his agenda..
say what you want about him but he has clearley put pressure on police forces and government agencies to address these problems, not solely down to him, and what is his agenda then? If your so clues up on the subject.
the court thing is one incident, that heppended v recently "
The police had already arrested the accused and charged them or they wouldn't have been standing trial, would they?  |
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"It’s mainly poor white people from areas that have seen the problems first had and the downfall of there community’s, the police, there schools, there safety, not just white people obviously but predominantly yes, "
Poverty is blind to colour, austerity is the same with the same cuts to services regardless of colour..
Have you any experience of interacting with people of all colours and cultures in the area you claim such things occur because if you have you have either not asked them if such things are across the spectrum or you've ignored the commonality that poverty and austerity bring.. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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say what you want about him but he has clearley put pressure on police forces and government agencies to address these problems, not solely down to him, and what is his agenda then? If your so clues up on the subject.
the court thing is one incident, that heppended v recently "
Pressure to act? People are on trial for the very crimes he wants to draw attention to. All he has done is draw attention to himself.
Trials? You know, when the police investigate a crime and believe there is enough evidence to prosecute. And their necks are on the line.
Along comes bonzo and thinks, no, that's not good enough. I can make myself a name here. He doesn't care about convicting people accused of these crimes. That is obvious,
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"I just don’t get the logic of everybody slating a man who draws attention too, and brings pressure on authorities, to deal with a huge problem, at the risk of his own Liberty and safety.
Nothing he has said isn’t true, he says it in a working class way, he is clearley no angel, but he obviously thinks he is doing the right thing and is showing courage regardless if you agree with him or not.
It’s easy to virtue signal and say he is scum, but I’d rather say the problems he draws attention to are the problems that are caused by genuine scum, everybody is just so driven to go “hey look at me I’m really progressive and not racist” rather then be brave and confront genuine cultural issues that are effecting people in poorer areas.
But he didn't did he..
He is only acting in the way he did which could have jeopardised a trial and allowed people who may be guilty of such disgusting allegations to walk free?
He did not apply pressure to anyone in his actions, had he stated that there is a lack of resources for the agencies who deal with such issues regardless of the colour of the alleged perpetrators then yeah maybe he would have done so but he didn't..
Does he not care for victim's of such crimes by white criminals?
Because his a actions thus far strongly indicate its not about the victims its about perpetuating his agenda..
say what you want about him but he has clearley put pressure on police forces and government agencies to address these problems, not solely down to him, and what is his agenda then? If your so clues up on the subject.
the court thing is one incident, that heppended v recently "
He has?
How and where are the links to back that claim up..? |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"I just don’t get the logic of everybody slating a man who draws attention too, and brings pressure on authorities, to deal with a huge problem, at the risk of his own Liberty and safety.
Nothing he has said isn’t true, he says it in a working class way, he is clearley no angel, but he obviously thinks he is doing the right thing and is showing courage regardless if you agree with him or not.
It’s easy to virtue signal and say he is scum, but I’d rather say the problems he draws attention to are the problems that are caused by genuine scum, everybody is just so driven to go “hey look at me I’m really progressive and not racist” rather then be brave and confront genuine cultural issues that are effecting people in poorer areas.
But he didn't did he..
He is only acting in the way he did which could have jeopardised a trial and allowed people who may be guilty of such disgusting allegations to walk free?
He did not apply pressure to anyone in his actions, had he stated that there is a lack of resources for the agencies who deal with such issues regardless of the colour of the alleged perpetrators then yeah maybe he would have done so but he didn't..
Does he not care for victim's of such crimes by white criminals?
Because his a actions thus far strongly indicate its not about the victims its about perpetuating his agenda..
say what you want about him but he has clearley put pressure on police forces and government agencies to address these problems, not solely down to him, and what is his agenda then? If your so clues up on the subject.
the court thing is one incident, that heppended v recently "
His agenda, is to try to make paedophilia and Muslims synonymous. Thus legitimising the targeting and subsequent ethnic cleansing of them.
It is dangerous for many reasons, not least because there are many many cases of paedophilia involving white people, and to make it synonymous with Islam leads to situations like the Saville case, where nobody took allegations seriously, in that case because he was a celebrity. |
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say what you want about him but he has clearley put pressure on police forces and government agencies to address these problems, not solely down to him, and what is his agenda then? If your so clues up on the subject.
the court thing is one incident, that heppended v recently
Pressure to act? People are on trial for the very crimes he wants to draw attention to. All he has done is draw attention to himself.
Trials? You know, when the police investigate a crime and believe there is enough evidence to prosecute. And their necks are on the line.
Along comes bonzo and thinks, no, that's not good enough. I can make myself a name here. He doesn't care about convicting people accused of these crimes. That is obvious,
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One may think he wanted to jeopardise the trials in question so that if the accused did walk and justice was delayed or denied he could use that for his agenda..?
And the victims would be forgotten by him.. |
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"I just don’t get the logic of everybody slating a man who draws attention too, and brings pressure on authorities, to deal with a huge problem, at the risk of his own Liberty and safety.
Nothing he has said isn’t true, he says it in a working class way, he is clearley no angel, but he obviously thinks he is doing the right thing and is showing courage regardless if you agree with him or not.
It’s easy to virtue signal and say he is scum, but I’d rather say the problems he draws attention to are the problems that are caused by genuine scum, everybody is just so driven to go “hey look at me I’m really progressive and not racist” rather then be brave and confront genuine cultural issues that are effecting people in poorer areas.
But he didn't did he..
He is only acting in the way he did which could have jeopardised a trial and allowed people who may be guilty of such disgusting allegations to walk free?
He did not apply pressure to anyone in his actions, had he stated that there is a lack of resources for the agencies who deal with such issues regardless of the colour of the alleged perpetrators then yeah maybe he would have done so but he didn't..
Does he not care for victim's of such crimes by white criminals?
Because his a actions thus far strongly indicate its not about the victims its about perpetuating his agenda..
say what you want about him but he has clearley put pressure on police forces and government agencies to address these problems, not solely down to him, and what is his agenda then? If your so clues up on the subject.
the court thing is one incident, that heppended v recently
His agenda, is to try to make paedophilia and Muslims synonymous. Thus legitimising the targeting and subsequent ethnic cleansing of them.
It is dangerous for many reasons, not least because there are many many cases of paedophilia involving white people, and to make it synonymous with Islam leads to situations like the Saville case, where nobody took allegations seriously, in that case because he was a celebrity."
This and history shows what happens when one group is blamed for issues in societies and allows the agenda to create an enemy.. |
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Was there no way of drawing attention to the issue other than doing something which risks the accused going free ?
If it really was the only way, how may new groomers have to be be caught per accused free to make the trade off worthwhile ?
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"I just don’t get the logic of everybody slating a man who draws attention too, and brings pressure on authorities, to deal with a huge problem, at the risk of his own Liberty and safety.
Nothing he has said isn’t true, he says it in a working class way, he is clearley no angel, but he obviously thinks he is doing the right thing and is showing courage regardless if you agree with him or not.
It’s easy to virtue signal and say he is scum, but I’d rather say the problems he draws attention to are the problems that are caused by genuine scum, everybody is just so driven to go “hey look at me I’m really progressive and not racist” rather then be brave and confront genuine cultural issues that are effecting people in poorer areas. "
Utterly deluded nonsensical piffle. None of those in court were there because of Tommy Robinson. He's a scummy, racist thug |
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"That’s not his agenda, this just shows you have no idea "
Hilarious. You and the rest of the Tommy Robinson lovers need to give your empty heads a wobble and realise that he is motivated by one thing and one thing only, his rabid islamophobic views. The fact that there is a hard core of support for the disgusting creature makes me very sad |
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"thats your perverse opinion on the matter, all children are precious and ought not to be targeted, singled out for racial and sexual abuse by organised gangs acting on an industrial scale up and down the country, as you well know its mainly little white children being targeted.."
It's not my perverse opinion, I was merely making an observation - and a perfectly legitimate one at that - on the state of your post.
You said:
"Seems to me that thousands of white children being racially and sexually abused does not constitute a deserving cause in your eyes for Tommy to speak out against...
Like others on this thread attacking the guy for standing up against the racial and sexual abuse of white children, you ought to hang your head in utter shame..."
In both of those sentences, the word white is utterly redundant. To any right-thinking person, the racial or sexual abuse of children - regardless of colour - is horrific, and needs nothing additional to that. The fact that you included white indicates that you place some kind of significance on that, as if that emphasises your point and heightens the impact. The logical conclusion is that you think it is worse for white kids to be racially and sexually abused than others. If you want to argue the point, feel free to provide a rationale and a justification for why you felt the need to describe them as white, rather than just as children... |
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"have been in many courts up and down the country,tommy was fitted up, subjected to a mock pre determined hearing, ask any ex con, its obvious this guy was targeted...
The original judge ought to be done for perverting the course of justice
1) the original judge was the one in the canterbury court case.... of which that verdict was upheld....
2) still waiting on someone to tell me if all this was the case, why did tommy still plead guilty in case 2?
I was speaking about the judge that gave him 13 months...
Regards pleading guilty, ask any ex con, sometimes when one knows they are being fitted up by the system and corrupt judges they simply plead guilty to get it over with, there are other reasons such as wife and children, given false promises if one pleads guilty they will be giving a fine or let off, not having time to prepare ones defence, times of stress...
I have been there, wore the tee shirt, at the end of the day we will only know when Tommy speaks about it..."
It turns out he didn't plead guilty at all.
Now he's out and talking about it, he said not once in that kangaroo court was he asked if he pleads guilty or not guilty.
He says the media for what ever unknown reason lied about him pleading guilty.
Like him or loathe him, it was a bit of a stitch up no doubt about it.
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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I read this morning that his first conviction was for assaulting a police officer who was trying to stop him assaulting his girlfriend.
When Robinson is held up as a man of the people, and Corbyn is condemned as a racist, there's no doubt about it - the country is having a nervous breakdown.
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"I read this morning that his first conviction was for assaulting a police officer who was trying to stop him assaulting his girlfriend.
When Robinson is held up as a man of the people, and Corbyn is condemned as a racist, there's no doubt about it - the country is having a nervous breakdown.
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Tommy Robinson is no stranger to either the courts or prison. He has several convictions, which include assault, multiple frauds and drugs offences.
However, his jailing for contempt has been found to be flawed and he has rightly been released. For now! |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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It turns out he didn't plead guilty at all.
Now he's out and talking about it, he said not once in that kangaroo court was he asked if he pleads guilty or not guilty.
He says the media for what ever unknown reason lied about him pleading guilty.
Like him or loathe him, it was a bit of a stitch up no doubt about it.
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Nope.... he can’t say he didn’t plead guilty because there were members of the public and journalists in that court room when he said it...
The reason why we know this is that the judge wanted to put reporting restrictions on the case until the other trial (the one he tried to disrupt) had finished.... and it was the same journalists who then appealed that restriction to another judge to report it
Plus there are official court records to show he did... plus the court stenographer notes
But yeah... you keep believing tommy... like you believe rt... and you believe the moon landings never happened  |
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"have been in many courts up and down the country,tommy was fitted up, subjected to a mock pre determined hearing, ask any ex con, its obvious this guy was targeted...
The original judge ought to be done for perverting the course of justice
1) the original judge was the one in the canterbury court case.... of which that verdict was upheld....
2) still waiting on someone to tell me if all this was the case, why did tommy still plead guilty in case 2?
I was speaking about the judge that gave him 13 months...
Regards pleading guilty, ask any ex con, sometimes when one knows they are being fitted up by the system and corrupt judges they simply plead guilty to get it over with, there are other reasons such as wife and children, given false promises if one pleads guilty they will be giving a fine or let off, not having time to prepare ones defence, times of stress...
I have been there, wore the tee shirt, at the end of the day we will only know when Tommy speaks about it...
It turns out he didn't plead guilty at all.
Now he's out and talking about it, he said not once in that kangaroo court was he asked if he pleads guilty or not guilty.
He says the media for what ever unknown reason lied about him pleading guilty.
Like him or loathe him, it was a bit of a stitch up no doubt about it.
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Your not stupid so why would you believe a person with previous convictions that says on this occasion i was not asked to enter a plea?
its one of the fundamental parts of the process and throughout these lands happens every day that the courts sit.. |
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It turns out he didn't plead guilty at all.
Now he's out and talking about it, he said not once in that kangaroo court was he asked if he pleads guilty or not guilty.
He says the media for what ever unknown reason lied about him pleading guilty.
Like him or loathe him, it was a bit of a stitch up no doubt about it.
Nope.... he can’t say he didn’t plead guilty because there were members of the public and journalists in that court room when he said it...
The reason why we know this is that the judge wanted to put reporting restrictions on the case until the other trial (the one he tried to disrupt) had finished.... and it was the same journalists who then appealed that restriction to another judge to report it
Plus there are official court records to show he did... plus the court stenographer notes
But yeah... you keep believing tommy... like you believe rt... and you believe the moon landings never happened "
If everything was as legit as you say it was then he wouldnt be out now would he.
Whats the reason hes out now?
Oh yeah because what happened to him was wrong and unlawful.
You are a hypocrite when bringing up someone believing RT when you yourself watch and believe everything on CNN so you have no grounds to talk. |
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"have been in many courts up and down the country,tommy was fitted up, subjected to a mock pre determined hearing, ask any ex con, its obvious this guy was targeted...
The original judge ought to be done for perverting the course of justice
1) the original judge was the one in the canterbury court case.... of which that verdict was upheld....
2) still waiting on someone to tell me if all this was the case, why did tommy still plead guilty in case 2?
I was speaking about the judge that gave him 13 months...
Regards pleading guilty, ask any ex con, sometimes when one knows they are being fitted up by the system and corrupt judges they simply plead guilty to get it over with, there are other reasons such as wife and children, given false promises if one pleads guilty they will be giving a fine or let off, not having time to prepare ones defence, times of stress...
I have been there, wore the tee shirt, at the end of the day we will only know when Tommy speaks about it...
It turns out he didn't plead guilty at all.
Now he's out and talking about it, he said not once in that kangaroo court was he asked if he pleads guilty or not guilty.
He says the media for what ever unknown reason lied about him pleading guilty.
Like him or loathe him, it was a bit of a stitch up no doubt about it.
Your not stupid so why would you believe a person with previous convictions that says on this occasion i was not asked to enter a plea?
its one of the fundamental parts of the process and throughout these lands happens every day that the courts sit.."
I'm only going by his interview with Tucker Carlson yesterday when he says he didnt plead guilty and wasnt even asked what he pleads.
As someone that doesnt trust the media and the fact there was a gag put on this and no media was allowed to report on tommys situation i can kinda believe what he says.
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It turns out he didn't plead guilty at all.
Now he's out and talking about it, he said not once in that kangaroo court was he asked if he pleads guilty or not guilty.
He says the media for what ever unknown reason lied about him pleading guilty.
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Nope.... he can’t say he didn’t plead guilty because there were members of the public and journalists in that court room when he said it...
Plus there are official court records to show he did... plus the court stenographer notes
But yeah... you keep believing tommy... like you believe rt... and you believe the moon landings never happened "
Sadly, he will keep believing.
Makes me feel that debates are, on the whole, a complete waste of time.
How often do people change their minds?
Ego keeps so many of us ignorant to our ignorance. |
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It turns out he didn't plead guilty at all.
Now he's out and talking about it, he said not once in that kangaroo court was he asked if he pleads guilty or not guilty.
He says the media for what ever unknown reason lied about him pleading guilty.
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Nope.... he can’t say he didn’t plead guilty because there were members of the public and journalists in that court room when he said it...
Plus there are official court records to show he did... plus the court stenographer notes
But yeah... you keep believing tommy... like you believe rt... and you believe the moon landings never happened
Sadly, he will keep believing.
Makes me feel that debates are, on the whole, a complete waste of time.
How often do people change their minds?
Ego keeps so many of us ignorant to our ignorance. "
Listen i know very little about tommy Robinson or his past convictions, only really know about him because all this blew up over the internet when he was arrested.
As i said like him or loath him (i have no feelings for the guy one way or the other), but what happened to him that day was wrong and a stitch up.
Are you saying i cant go outside a court and give my opinion on a case and live stream my thoughts and opinioms on facebook or youtube?
Just because i have very few people on those platforms but he has thousands shouldnt make a difference.
You cant be arrested, trailed and sent to prison within 5 hours.
You just can't.
Its why the latest judge has agreed and released him.
God forbid anything like that happens to you for having an ooinion on somthing and sharing it with others. |
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It turns out he didn't plead guilty at all.
Now he's out and talking about it, he said not once in that kangaroo court was he asked if he pleads guilty or not guilty.
He says the media for what ever unknown reason lied about him pleading guilty.
————————————
Nope.... he can’t say he didn’t plead guilty because there were members of the public and journalists in that court room when he said it...
Plus there are official court records to show he did... plus the court stenographer notes
But yeah... you keep believing tommy... like you believe rt... and you believe the moon landings never happened
Sadly, he will keep believing.
Makes me feel that debates are, on the whole, a complete waste of time.
How often do people change their minds?
Ego keeps so many of us ignorant to our ignorance.
Listen i know very little about tommy Robinson or his past convictions, only really know about him because all this blew up over the internet when he was arrested.
As i said like him or loath him (i have no feelings for the guy one way or the other), but what happened to him that day was wrong and a stitch up.
Are you saying i cant go outside a court and give my opinion on a case and live stream my thoughts and opinioms on facebook or youtube?
Just because i have very few people on those platforms but he has thousands shouldnt make a difference.
You cant be arrested, trailed and sent to prison within 5 hours.
You just can't.
Its why the latest judge has agreed and released him.
God forbid anything like that happens to you for having an ooinion on somthing and sharing it with others."
If I get told I can’t do something and will be sent to prison if I do it again, I probably wouldn’t do it again. Let’s not pretend he was unlucky and tripped over a legal line in the sand he wasn’t aware of .... |
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It turns out he didn't plead guilty at all.
Now he's out and talking about it, he said not once in that kangaroo court was he asked if he pleads guilty or not guilty.
He says the media for what ever unknown reason lied about him pleading guilty.
————————————
Nope.... he can’t say he didn’t plead guilty because there were members of the public and journalists in that court room when he said it...
Plus there are official court records to show he did... plus the court stenographer notes
But yeah... you keep believing tommy... like you believe rt... and you believe the moon landings never happened
Sadly, he will keep believing.
Makes me feel that debates are, on the whole, a complete waste of time.
How often do people change their minds?
Ego keeps so many of us ignorant to our ignorance.
Listen i know very little about tommy Robinson or his past convictions, only really know about him because all this blew up over the internet when he was arrested.
As i said like him or loath him (i have no feelings for the guy one way or the other), but what happened to him that day was wrong and a stitch up.
Are you saying i cant go outside a court and give my opinion on a case and live stream my thoughts and opinioms on facebook or youtube?
Just because i have very few people on those platforms but he has thousands shouldnt make a difference.
You cant be arrested, trailed and sent to prison within 5 hours.
You just can't.
Its why the latest judge has agreed and released him.
God forbid anything like that happens to you for having an ooinion on somthing and sharing it with others."
Firstly, my previous message was a general observation.
Secondly, I’m the one that started this thread. Evidently procedure wasn’t followed properly, and hopefully, now it will be.
With regards to your opinions, even you must agree that you’ve taken a side without knowing the full facts...or even which laws Tommy is purported to have bent/broken...simply because of your cynicism towards certain parts of the media.
We’ll find out soon enough.
Anybody entering the Politics section of the forum, should leave their egos in the kiss, fuck and whatever thread in the Lounge. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
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No, you can’t do it either. Social media is media, and when a judge rules media must restrict its coverage, the legal system takes a dim view of those who ignore its ruling.
The severity of the crime is judged usually by the risk - the more people who potentially hear or see the prejudicial information, the harsher the penalty. |
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It turns out he didn't plead guilty at all.
Now he's out and talking about it, he said not once in that kangaroo court was he asked if he pleads guilty or not guilty.
He says the media for what ever unknown reason lied about him pleading guilty.
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Nope.... he can’t say he didn’t plead guilty because there were members of the public and journalists in that court room when he said it...
Plus there are official court records to show he did... plus the court stenographer notes
But yeah... you keep believing tommy... like you believe rt... and you believe the moon landings never happened
Sadly, he will keep believing.
Makes me feel that debates are, on the whole, a complete waste of time.
How often do people change their minds?
Ego keeps so many of us ignorant to our ignorance.
Listen i know very little about tommy Robinson or his past convictions, only really know about him because all this blew up over the internet when he was arrested.
As i said like him or loath him (i have no feelings for the guy one way or the other), but what happened to him that day was wrong and a stitch up.
Are you saying i cant go outside a court and give my opinion on a case and live stream my thoughts and opinioms on facebook or youtube?
Just because i have very few people on those platforms but he has thousands shouldnt make a difference.
You cant be arrested, trailed and sent to prison within 5 hours.
You just can't.
Its why the latest judge has agreed and released him.
God forbid anything like that happens to you for having an ooinion on somthing and sharing it with others.
If I get told I can’t do something and will be sent to prison if I do it again, I probably wouldn’t do it again. Let’s not pretend he was unlucky and tripped over a legal line in the sand he wasn’t aware of ...."
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It turns out he didn't plead guilty at all.
Now he's out and talking about it, he said not once in that kangaroo court was he asked if he pleads guilty or not guilty.
He says the media for what ever unknown reason lied about him pleading guilty.
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Nope.... he can’t say he didn’t plead guilty because there were members of the public and journalists in that court room when he said it...
Plus there are official court records to show he did... plus the court stenographer notes
But yeah... you keep believing tommy... like you believe rt... and you believe the moon landings never happened
Sadly, he will keep believing.
Makes me feel that debates are, on the whole, a complete waste of time.
How often do people change their minds?
Ego keeps so many of us ignorant to our ignorance.
Listen i know very little about tommy Robinson or his past convictions, only really know about him because all this blew up over the internet when he was arrested.
As i said like him or loath him (i have no feelings for the guy one way or the other), but what happened to him that day was wrong and a stitch up.
Are you saying i cant go outside a court and give my opinion on a case and live stream my thoughts and opinioms on facebook or youtube?
Just because i have very few people on those platforms but he has thousands shouldnt make a difference.
You cant be arrested, trailed and sent to prison within 5 hours.
You just can't.
Its why the latest judge has agreed and released him.
God forbid anything like that happens to you for having an ooinion on somthing and sharing it with others.
If I get told I can’t do something and will be sent to prison if I do it again, I probably wouldn’t do it again. Let’s not pretend he was unlucky and tripped over a legal line in the sand he wasn’t aware of ....
So you believe you can't share your thoughts on something with people over the internet? Ok then. Bye bye freedom of speech"
It’s true. We don’t have explicit freedom of speech the way the us does. And while the HRA arguably gave us more freedom there’s a load of exemptions. Like racist speech. And restrictions on court proceedings. |
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So you believe you can't share your thoughts on something with people over the internet? Ok then. Bye bye freedom of speech"
Bye bye freedom of speech? That’s a bit of an odd reaction, isn’t it?
Imagine, recording and reporting this huge, sensitive and important court case, can damage the chances of convictions, scare victims and/or witnesses, or lead to a mistrial....
Isn’t it a bit sensible for legal authorities to do what they can to mitigate the possibility of such outcomes?
There’s the right to free speech, which does have conditions anyway
And then there’s the right to a fair trial...fair for the victims, not just the accused.
If free speech can damage the fair trial, isn’t it wise to be expected to hold our tongues, just till the danger of an unfair trial has subsided?
You seem to be arguing, with not much evidence) that:
what Tommy did wasn’t wrong and shouldn’t be illegal,
he didn’t plead guilty,
the procedure wasn’t followed (a judge did agree with you here),
there’s a media conspiracy against him
Stand back, try to look beyond your bias, and you might see that things aren’t as black and white as you currently feel.
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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Do those asserting a right to freedom of speech also believe they have a right to a fair trial? You know, one where a jury is informed only by the evidence laid out in court, rather than commentary from a third party with a known hatred of you? |
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So you believe you can't share your thoughts on something with people over the internet? Ok then. Bye bye freedom of speech
Bye bye freedom of speech? That’s a bit of an odd reaction, isn’t it?
Imagine, recording and reporting this huge, sensitive and important court case, can damage the chances of convictions, scare victims and/or witnesses, or lead to a mistrial....
Isn’t it a bit sensible for legal authorities to do what they can to mitigate the possibility of such outcomes?
There’s the right to free speech, which does have conditions anyway
And then there’s the right to a fair trial...fair for the victims, not just the accused.
If free speech can damage the fair trial, isn’t it wise to be expected to hold our tongues, just till the danger of an unfair trial has subsided?
You seem to be arguing, with not much evidence) that:
what Tommy did wasn’t wrong and shouldn’t be illegal,
he didn’t plead guilty,
the procedure wasn’t followed (a judge did agree with you here),
there’s a media conspiracy against him
Stand back, try to look beyond your bias, and you might see that things aren’t as black and white as you currently feel.
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I dont see how anyone presenting their opinion on social network would alter anything.
Its still going to be a fair trail because the jury will be in court every day listening to all the facts.
I doubt one guy on facebook or youtube is going to change their verdicts when over the weeks and months they will no doubt have more knowledge of the facts than anyone else.
All I'm saying is what happened that day was unlawful as procedure wasnt followed and i disagree with the blanket wide gag order meaning the media couldnt report on the fact tommy was even arrested.
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"Robinson, Yaxley Lennon, or whatever his name might be, is a loud mouthed uncouthed slob, for whom I have no time whatsoever.
However, there has to be a line in the sand as to what represents hate speech, and what is in fact merely reporting on facts.
Anybody who doesn’t believe that grooming gangs, consisting of almost exclusively Pakistani Muslims, are targeting vulnerable little white girls, up and down the country is deluded. Those who refuse to believe it are doing so for their own stupid, or perhaps sinister reasons.
One thing is certain. If we don’t all begin to look at this problem for what it is, instead of what we want it to be, then it will never go away.
Remember the victims are only children..."
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I dont see how anyone presenting their opinion on social network would alter anything.
Its still going to be a fair trail because the jury will be in court every day listening to all the facts.
I doubt one guy on facebook or youtube is going to change their verdicts when over the weeks and months they will no doubt have more knowledge of the facts than anyone else.
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Perhaps because the jury will have access to social media and could be influenced.
Or that it might unnerve/influence witnesses who are ‘courtside’ or due to be called.
Or that Tommy has been in trouble before for breaking this very law.
Step outside the bias.
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over a year ago
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I dont see how anyone presenting their opinion on social network would alter anything.
Its still going to be a fair trail because the jury will be in court every day listening to all the facts.
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The jurors don't go home each evening then, and switch on their computers?
And how do you know the prejudicial information relates to this trial, rather than another one?
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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Right-wing extremists are on the terror watch list of the security services and Robinson, as one of their cheerleaders, will be on that list, too.
When he commits such a prime facie contempt of court as this, it won't be long before the phones are ringing to Special Branch, inviting plod to send out the patrol car to lift him.
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I dont see how anyone presenting their opinion on social network would alter anything.
Its still going to be a fair trail because the jury will be in court every day listening to all the facts.
I doubt one guy on facebook or youtube is going to change their verdicts when over the weeks and months they will no doubt have more knowledge of the facts than anyone else.
Perhaps because the jury will have access to social media and could be influenced.
Or that it might unnerve/influence witnesses who are ‘courtside’ or due to be called.
Or that Tommy has been in trouble before for breaking this very law.
Step outside the bias.
There’s a whole world of grey out there."
Ok all that being said....
I still don't think being arrested, going to court, and sent to prison can all happen in space of 5 hours followed by a gag order on all media that they cant report on it.
And apparently his lawyer wasnt even there in court as they told him (the layer) they was in the process of releasing him.
This is what i am disagreeing with.
My dad is still waiting for a court date to be given for being conned out of hundreds of thousands by a buisness partner while he was in hospital for months.
Guy did a runner after selling all their propertys they had together.
I know its got nothing to do with the subject but courts are very busy and getting trailed on the same day within hours is unheared of as courts are backed up and people are waiting for all kinds of cases to start. |
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I dont see how anyone presenting their opinion on social network would alter anything.
Its still going to be a fair trail because the jury will be in court every day listening to all the facts.
The jurors don't go home each evening then, and switch on their computers?
And how do you know the prejudicial information relates to this trial, rather than another one?
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Im pretty sure they dont go searching for tommy robinsons facebook or you tube page to find out this guys opinion as to whether they should convict somone as guilty or not guilty.
Has the court case ended yet or still on going? |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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I dont see how anyone presenting their opinion on social network would alter anything.
Its still going to be a fair trail because the jury will be in court every day listening to all the facts.
The jurors don't go home each evening then, and switch on their computers?
And how do you know the prejudicial information relates to this trial, rather than another one?
Im pretty sure they dont go searching for tommy robinsons facebook or you tube page to find out this guys opinion as to whether they should convict somone as guilty or not guilty.
Has the court case ended yet or still on going?"
How can you be sure? Are you one of the jurors?
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I dont see how anyone presenting their opinion on social network would alter anything.
Its still going to be a fair trail because the jury will be in court every day listening to all the facts.
The jurors don't go home each evening then, and switch on their computers?
And how do you know the prejudicial information relates to this trial, rather than another one?
Im pretty sure they dont go searching for tommy robinsons facebook or you tube page to find out this guys opinion as to whether they should convict somone as guilty or not guilty.
Has the court case ended yet or still on going?
How can you be sure? Are you one of the jurors?
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I cant be sure but that would be pretty pathetic if they did when they are getting all the facts from the case in court and not some unknown from the internet.
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Im pretty sure they dont go searching for tommy robinsons facebook or you tube page to find out this guys opinion as to whether they should convict somone as guilty or not guilty.
Has the court case ended yet or still on going?"
They don’t need to be subscribed to Tommy Robinson’s social media pages. Im not and I still get wind of his latest and greatest thoughts.
The legal system doesn’t want to take such risks.
I suspect as soon as the media starts reporting - it will mean the trial will have ended.
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I cant believe people are even arguing about this.
I'm not a tommy sympathizer, i don't know enough about the guy to comment on who he is as a person.
All ive said on here is that what happened to him on that day he was arrested was wrong and unlawful.
The lateat judge has agreed and released him.
As far as im concerned theres nothing to argue about.
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I cant be sure but that would be pretty pathetic if they did when they are getting all the facts from the case in court and not some unknown from the internet.
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Take a look at some pop psychology books on how easily people are influenced... Our minds, unfortunately are very prone to suggestion...and this is a pretty emotionally charged court case.
We even lie to ourselves and seek alternative facts to justify our positions so we can live with the self-deceit.
I guess to be ‘pretty pathetic’, is to be human.
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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OK, let's imagine there are five defendants.
The jury knows the full name, date of birth and address of each.
They also know the identities and other details of the alleged victims.
The jury will be given specific advice not to look at media or the internet or discuss the evidence with anyone when outside the court.
The temptation is there, though, to go home and think: "I'll just pop this name into google and see what it throws up."
That could be a defendant - newspaper reports of a previous case where the person was convicted or acquitted, the fact he or she is also standing trial in Court X soon charged with Offence Y, or information contained in a Robinson broadcast.
Or it could be the alleged victims, again providing a juror or jurors with information not presented in court.
The trial is no longer fair, since at least one member of the jury will now be influenced by facts other than those presented in the court.
What the judge is doing is reducing the risk of the verdict being appealed, on the basis that the defendants did not receive a fair trial.
I don't know why reporting restrictions were put in place, but I am confident it will have been done to protect the integrity of the legal process and ensure the outcome is fair and the judgement reasonable.
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"Right-wing extremists are on the terror watch list of the security services and Robinson, as one of their cheerleaders, will be on that list, too.
When he commits such a prime facie contempt of court as this, it won't be long before the phones are ringing to Special Branch, inviting plod to send out the patrol car to lift him.
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Why are you not publicly condemning the activities of the racist peadophile gangs that are racially and sexually abusing thousands of vunerable white children, surely that is a bigger issue than continually finding fault with tommy robinsons alleged transgressions...
Or like others the raping of thousands of children means nothing to you, but finding fault with those that point these atrocities out seem to be paramount in your efforts to stifle whats going on in our country... |
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Why are you not publicly condemning the activities of the racist peadophile gangs that are racially and sexually abusing thousands of vunerable white children, surely that is a bigger issue than continually finding fault with tommy robinsons alleged transgressions...
Or like others the raping of thousands of children means nothing to you, but finding fault with those that point these atrocities out seem to be paramount in your efforts to stifle whats going on in our country..."
You’re taking the p*** aren’t you..?
Wasn’t the whole reason Tommy got put away, so that in the absence of his meddling, the trial could go ahead in a fair and reasonable away, in order to give the jurors the most ideal environment in which to make their judgements so all those guilty of these horrible crimes get what they deserve?
Yeah, you’re deffo taking the p***. |
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Hes mother was an irish imigrant ..
We all migrate from somewhere .....so I dont understand hes beef about immigrants ....
Oh and hes gone on his hols to tenerife ......where theres a large muslim community ..... why didnt he stay in england .... |
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over a year ago
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"Right-wing extremists are on the terror watch list of the security services and Robinson, as one of their cheerleaders, will be on that list, too.
When he commits such a prime facie contempt of court as this, it won't be long before the phones are ringing to Special Branch, inviting plod to send out the patrol car to lift him.
Why are you not publicly condemning the activities of the racist peadophile gangs that are racially and sexually abusing thousands of vunerable white children, surely that is a bigger issue than continually finding fault with tommy robinsons alleged transgressions...
Or like others the raping of thousands of children means nothing to you, but finding fault with those that point these atrocities out seem to be paramount in your efforts to stifle whats going on in our country..."
Where has anybody said the abuse of any children, of any skin tone, is OK.
I can say that it is completely wrong if it makes you feel better. I think that everyone took that as read.
That is not the point of the thread though.
The question is was there an error in the process which got him convicted of contempt of court. If yes, he should walk. If not, after review, then he should serve his sentence.
A legal process exists so that it is applied as equally as possible and minimises the chance of error.
You do understand why he was in contempt don't you? What he did would have provided grounds for the paedophiles that you claim to detest. Whatever colour, religion or background.
Would it be OK if those paedophiles were released because of a mis-trial or on appeal because of Robinson's actions? |
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"Right-wing extremists are on the terror watch list of the security services and Robinson, as one of their cheerleaders, will be on that list, too.
When he commits such a prime facie contempt of court as this, it won't be long before the phones are ringing to Special Branch, inviting plod to send out the patrol car to lift him.
Why are you not publicly condemning the activities of the racist peadophile gangs that are racially and sexually abusing thousands of vunerable white children, surely that is a bigger issue than continually finding fault with tommy robinsons alleged transgressions...
Or like others the raping of thousands of children means nothing to you, but finding fault with those that point these atrocities out seem to be paramount in your efforts to stifle whats going on in our country..."
You don't care about children ..Your not outraged by priests having sex with children .Its political point scoring and hatred of muslims that drive you .Just like those who go on about corbyn being anti semeitc .They couldn't give a flying fuck about Jews they just want to destroy corbyn and the Labour Party.Quite pathetic and shameless . |
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Why are you not publicly condemning the activities of the racist peadophile gangs that are racially and sexually abusing thousands of vunerable white children, surely that is a bigger issue than continually finding fault with tommy robinsons alleged transgressions...
Or like others the raping of thousands of children means nothing to you, but finding fault with those that point these atrocities out seem to be paramount in your efforts to stifle whats going on in our country...
You’re taking the p*** aren’t you..?
Wasn’t the whole reason Tommy got put away, so that in the absence of his meddling, the trial could go ahead in a fair and reasonable away, in order to give the jurors the most ideal environment in which to make their judgements so all those guilty of these horrible crimes get what they deserve?
Yeah, you’re deffo taking the p***."
Not only that, but the reason Robinson is walking free is due to a technicality of the arrest/conviction itself not whether he was innocent or guilty. And his actions could have caused those on trial in the original case to be possibly walking out of the courtroom based on a technicality (caused by Robinson) regardless of if they are innocent or guilty too.
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"Right-wing extremists are on the terror watch list of the security services and Robinson, as one of their cheerleaders, will be on that list, too.
When he commits such a prime facie contempt of court as this, it won't be long before the phones are ringing to Special Branch, inviting plod to send out the patrol car to lift him.
Why are you not publicly condemning the activities of the racist peadophile gangs that are racially and sexually abusing thousands of vunerable white children, surely that is a bigger issue than continually finding fault with tommy robinsons alleged transgressions...
Or like others the raping of thousands of children means nothing to you, but finding fault with those that point these atrocities out seem to be paramount in your efforts to stifle whats going on in our country...
You don't care about children ..Your not outraged by priests having sex with children .Its political point scoring and hatred of muslims that drive you .Just like those who go on about corbyn being anti semeitc .They couldn't give a flying fuck about Jews they just want to destroy corbyn and the Labour Party.Quite pathetic and shameless . "
I beleive Mohammed was given a message from God to his people of the day, I also believe that Moses was given a message from God to the house of Israel, I also beleive that Jesus is Gods son...
I have only love for the prophets of God and my fellow men..
Were as you have shown in threads your bitter hatred towards all religions that have a belief in the One true God... |
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" I also believe that Moses was given a message from God to the house of Israel, I also beleive that Jesus is Gods son...
I have only love for the prophets of God and my fellow men..
Were as you have shown in threads your bitter hatred towards all religions that have a belief in the One true God..."
Why are you on a website for sexual swingers? |
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" I also believe that Moses was given a message from God to the house of Israel, I also beleive that Jesus is Gods son...
I have only love for the prophets of God and my fellow men..
Were as you have shown in threads your bitter hatred towards all religions that have a belief in the One true God...
Why are you on a website for sexual swingers?"
Do you condemn the racist gangs that racially and sexualy abuse thousands of vunerable white children in this country |
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"Right-wing extremists are on the terror watch list of the security services and Robinson, as one of their cheerleaders, will be on that list, too.
When he commits such a prime facie contempt of court as this, it won't be long before the phones are ringing to Special Branch, inviting plod to send out the patrol car to lift him.
Why are you not publicly condemning the activities of the racist peadophile gangs that are racially and sexually abusing thousands of vunerable white children, surely that is a bigger issue than continually finding fault with tommy robinsons alleged transgressions...
Or like others the raping of thousands of children means nothing to you, but finding fault with those that point these atrocities out seem to be paramount in your efforts to stifle whats going on in our country...
You don't care about children ..Your not outraged by priests having sex with children .Its political point scoring and hatred of muslims that drive you .Just like those who go on about corbyn being anti semeitc .They couldn't give a flying fuck about Jews they just want to destroy corbyn and the Labour Party.Quite pathetic and shameless .
I beleive Mohammed was given a message from God to his people of the day, I also believe that Moses was given a message from God to the house of Israel, I also beleive that Jesus is Gods son...
I have only love for the prophets of God and my fellow men..
Were as you have shown in threads your bitter hatred towards all religions that have a belief in the One true God..."
Yeah your church loves children alright .They love to abuse them on an industrial scale and yet you are silent on this yet shout from the roof tops if it's muslims doing the abuse.Youve been weighed measured and are found wanting. |
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"Right-wing extremists are on the terror watch list of the security services and Robinson, as one of their cheerleaders, will be on that list, too.
When he commits such a prime facie contempt of court as this, it won't be long before the phones are ringing to Special Branch, inviting plod to send out the patrol car to lift him.
Why are you not publicly condemning the activities of the racist peadophile gangs that are racially and sexually abusing thousands of vunerable white children, surely that is a bigger issue than continually finding fault with tommy robinsons alleged transgressions...
Or like others the raping of thousands of children means nothing to you, but finding fault with those that point these atrocities out seem to be paramount in your efforts to stifle whats going on in our country..."
1) I condemn the activities of ALL paedophiles. Not just the racist ones.
2) I condem any action which may see these paediphiles walk free.
I struggle to see why the two positions can’t be held simulataneously. Indeed if I hold 1) I fail to see why I’d be fighting against those who hold 2). |
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"have been in many courts up and down the country,tommy was fitted up, subjected to a mock pre determined hearing, ask any ex con, its obvious this guy was targeted...
The original judge ought to be done for perverting the course of justice
1) the original judge was the one in the canterbury court case.... of which that verdict was upheld....
2) still waiting on someone to tell me if all this was the case, why did tommy still plead guilty in case 2?
I was speaking about the judge that gave him 13 months...
Regards pleading guilty, ask any ex con, sometimes when one knows they are being fitted up by the system and corrupt judges they simply plead guilty to get it over with, there are other reasons such as wife and children, given false promises if one pleads guilty they will be giving a fine or let off, not having time to prepare ones defence, times of stress...
I have been there, wore the tee shirt, at the end of the day we will only know when Tommy speaks about it...
It turns out he didn't plead guilty at all.
Now he's out and talking about it, he said not once in that kangaroo court was he asked if he pleads guilty or not guilty.
He says the media for what ever unknown reason lied about him pleading guilty.
Like him or loathe him, it was a bit of a stitch up no doubt about it.
Your not stupid so why would you believe a person with previous convictions that says on this occasion i was not asked to enter a plea?
its one of the fundamental parts of the process and throughout these lands happens every day that the courts sit..
I'm only going by his interview with Tucker Carlson yesterday when he says he didnt plead guilty and wasnt even asked what he pleads.
As someone that doesnt trust the media and the fact there was a gag put on this and no media was allowed to report on tommys situation i can kinda believe what he says.
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We don't live in a state like North Korea or the old ussr where your banged up for the length of time he has been on this occasion..
He had to enter a plea, end of..
To believe someone with his record of convictions on something so patently wrong as this is bizarre.. |
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"I condemn all child abuse.
Your turn.
Your afraid to answer my question honestly, at least some have been brave enough to do so...
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How about you acknowledge the Catholic Church as the largest pedophile ring in this country if not the whole planet. |
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"Right-wing extremists are on the terror watch list of the security services and Robinson, as one of their cheerleaders, will be on that list, too.
When he commits such a prime facie contempt of court as this, it won't be long before the phones are ringing to Special Branch, inviting plod to send out the patrol car to lift him.
Why are you not publicly condemning the activities of the racist peadophile gangs that are racially and sexually abusing thousands of vunerable white children, surely that is a bigger issue than continually finding fault with tommy robinsons alleged transgressions...
Or like others the raping of thousands of children means nothing to you, but finding fault with those that point these atrocities out seem to be paramount in your efforts to stifle whats going on in our country...
You don't care about children ..Your not outraged by priests having sex with children .Its political point scoring and hatred of muslims that drive you .Just like those who go on about corbyn being anti semeitc .They couldn't give a flying fuck about Jews they just want to destroy corbyn and the Labour Party.Quite pathetic and shameless .
I beleive Mohammed was given a message from God to his people of the day, I also believe that Moses was given a message from God to the house of Israel, I also beleive that Jesus is Gods son...
I have only love for the prophets of God and my fellow men..
Were as you have shown in threads your bitter hatred towards all religions that have a belief in the One true God...
Yeah your church loves children alright .They love to abuse them on an industrial scale and yet you are silent on this yet shout from the roof tops if it's muslims doing the abuse.Youve been weighed measured and are found wanting. "
You perversely put words into my mouth I have never said...
You delight in trolling threads looking to attack any that appear to hold a Religous belief...
I do not belong to any church, am simply a person that has read the varied scriptures , particulary the Jewish, christian and islamic ones...
As said I believe Mohammed was given a message from God to the people of his time, so I cannot be a hater of the muslims, but you are, on threads you have bitterly attacked and blasphemed the one true god and his people... |
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"Right-wing extremists are on the terror watch list of the security services and Robinson, as one of their cheerleaders, will be on that list, too.
When he commits such a prime facie contempt of court as this, it won't be long before the phones are ringing to Special Branch, inviting plod to send out the patrol car to lift him.
Why are you not publicly condemning the activities of the racist peadophile gangs that are racially and sexually abusing thousands of vunerable white children, surely that is a bigger issue than continually finding fault with tommy robinsons alleged transgressions...
Or like others the raping of thousands of children means nothing to you, but finding fault with those that point these atrocities out seem to be paramount in your efforts to stifle whats going on in our country...
You don't care about children ..Your not outraged by priests having sex with children .Its political point scoring and hatred of muslims that drive you .Just like those who go on about corbyn being anti semeitc .They couldn't give a flying fuck about Jews they just want to destroy corbyn and the Labour Party.Quite pathetic and shameless .
I beleive Mohammed was given a message from God to his people of the day, I also believe that Moses was given a message from God to the house of Israel, I also beleive that Jesus is Gods son...
I have only love for the prophets of God and my fellow men..
Were as you have shown in threads your bitter hatred towards all religions that have a belief in the One true God...
Yeah your church loves children alright .They love to abuse them on an industrial scale and yet you are silent on this yet shout from the roof tops if it's muslims doing the abuse.Youve been weighed measured and are found wanting.
You perversely put words into my mouth I have never said...
You delight in trolling threads looking to attack any that appear to hold a Religous belief...
I do not belong to any church, am simply a person that has read the varied scriptures , particulary the Jewish, christian and islamic ones...
As said I believe Mohammed was given a message from God to the people of his time, so I cannot be a hater of the muslims, but you are, on threads you have bitterly attacked and blasphemed the one true god and his people..."
We all condem the actions of all pedophiles no matter race colour or religion .You however don't seem to be able to condemn those who abuse children in the house of god and your precious church suffers from the same inability.
I've seen enough of posts to know this .
Your faith blinds you and twists what morality you claim to have.
Hands up for me ,all religions are false and all gods are false gods.This would never prevent me from calling an atheist a pedophile. |
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Well back to the thread, am happy that Tommys been released, is back with his wife and children, hopefully the fresh hearing will recognise Tommys human rights... |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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I was on another thread where someone cited the bible in order to justify a homophobic slur.
I'm on this thread and someone cites the bible in order to justify being a racist.
On a website for swingers.
Lol.
Lolol.
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"Well back to the thread, am happy that Tommys been released, is back with his wife and children, hopefully the fresh hearing will recognise Tommys human rights..."
What about the human rights of those who are entitled to a fair trial? That ‘Tommy’ was trying to disrupt?
-Matt |
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"Well back to the thread, am happy that Tommys been released, is back with his wife and children, hopefully the fresh hearing will recognise Tommys human rights..."
Oh my giddy aunt ...
..... the irony |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
Curious how the media has spent days reporting claims Corbyn is anti-semitic, then gives near-ceaseless and respectful coverage to a neo-Nazi whose supporters give Hitler salutes marching on the streets.
Human rights apply to all, otherwise they become privileges, not rights. And when entitlement to those rights or privileges is determined by ethnicity or religion, then you are following in the footsteps of Nazi Germany in the 1930s.
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"Well back to the thread, am happy that Tommys been released, is back with his wife and children, hopefully the fresh hearing will recognise Tommys human rights..."
He has children! Poor souls, I hope they don’t grow up to be racist scum like their father. |
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"I find it hard to take anyone seriously who spouts that level of religious claptrap whilst on a swingers site, with a profile of them with a cock up their arse.
-Matt"
In fairness, that *is* where the male g-spot is...mysterious ways and all that, eh? |
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Marra 77 .... their is no god ....im sorry to disappoint you ....like women do not have a penis ... its a fact .....The bible says .... but then again the bible isnt real .... just fables ... aesops fables .....childrens stories .... |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
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"I find it hard to take anyone seriously who spouts that level of religious claptrap whilst on a swingers site, with a profile of them with a cock up their arse.
-Matt
In fairness, that *is* where the male g-spot is...mysterious ways and all that, eh?"
Where? In a bible? Lol
(Just in case it is not 100% clear, it is the religious claptrap I take exception to, not the cock up the arse)
-Matt |
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It's hardly surprising that TR or Yaxley-Lennon is out on bail..he is bought and paid for by the zionist lobby that operates in the corridors of so called UK democracy.. Coincidentally his release is on the current wave of Corbyn bashing over so called 'antisemitism'. What hypocrisy, it seems it's ok to be islamaphobic.. |
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Whether you agree with his hateful politics or not it was a little bit of a PR thing arresting him (the way it was done), HE is a bigoted racist nob and I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire, but agree with the original poster on the rule of law. It was a tad unfair but I'm sure he will only get cockier now and go do something else to get nicked. ( hopefully) |
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"Curious how the media has spent days reporting claims Corbyn is anti-semitic, then gives near-ceaseless and respectful coverage to a neo-Nazi whose supporters give Hitler salutes marching on the streets.
Human rights apply to all, otherwise they become privileges, not rights. And when entitlement to those rights or privileges is determined by ethnicity or religion, then you are following in the footsteps of Nazi Germany in the 1930s.
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This... |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"Waste of a perfectly usable human skin tbh ! Unfortunately the rule of law even applies to him
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This is also where outrage about the European Court of Human Rights finds its difficulty.
Either torture and capitol punishment are OK or they are not. If your society does not deem them acceptable then you cannot deport someone to suffer a different fate to someone who happens to have been born somewhere else. Regardless of how contemptible they may be. Same crime, same punishment. |
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Ok, so the name Yaxley Lennon suggests that he is from Jewish stock, and that would explain a number of things.
The EDL was always pro Zionist, and the Israeli flag was present at just about all their demos. White nationalists were banned from attending those demos, and those who were known were banned from joining EDL.
He got bail, and to be clear, if he was WN he would have struggled to get a bail hearing, let alone be out and about already.
He has no supported from real WNs, indeed they don’t like him for many reasons. But mostly they hate him because they believe him to be Jewish. |
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"Ok, so the name Yaxley Lennon suggests that he is from Jewish stock, and that would explain a number of things.
The EDL was always pro Zionist, and the Israeli flag was present at just about all their demos. White nationalists were banned from attending those demos, and those who were known were banned from joining EDL.
He got bail, and to be clear, if he was WN he would have struggled to get a bail hearing, let alone be out and about already.
He has no supported from real WNs, indeed they don’t like him for many reasons. But mostly they hate him because they believe him to be Jewish."
It’s always funny when various race hate groups can’t get along because of stuff like this. |
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"Ok, so the name Yaxley Lennon suggests that he is from Jewish stock, and that would explain a number of things.
The EDL was always pro Zionist, and the Israeli flag was present at just about all their demos. White nationalists were banned from attending those demos, and those who were known were banned from joining EDL.
He got bail, and to be clear, if he was WN he would have struggled to get a bail hearing, let alone be out and about already.
He has no supported from real WNs, indeed they don’t like him for many reasons. But mostly they hate him because they believe him to be Jewish."
He claims to have Irish ancestry so presumably Catholic. So why isn't he going after paedophile priests as enthusiastically as paedophile Muslims? |
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"He claims to have Irish ancestry so presumably Catholic. So why isn't he going after paedophile priests as enthusiastically as paedophile Muslims?"
It's almost as if he doesn't actually care about the fate of the victims...bizarre, eh? |
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"Ok, so the name Yaxley Lennon suggests that he is from Jewish stock, and that would explain a number of things.
The EDL was always pro Zionist, and the Israeli flag was present at just about all their demos. White nationalists were banned from attending those demos, and those who were known were banned from joining EDL.
He got bail, and to be clear, if he was WN he would have struggled to get a bail hearing, let alone be out and about already.
He has no supported from real WNs, indeed they don’t like him for many reasons. But mostly they hate him because they believe him to be Jewish.
He claims to have Irish ancestry so presumably Catholic. So why isn't he going after paedophile priests as enthusiastically as paedophile Muslims?"
Why presumably Catholic? Although could explain why he hates muslims. |
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"Ok, so the name Yaxley Lennon suggests that he is from Jewish stock, and that would explain a number of things.
The EDL was always pro Zionist, and the Israeli flag was present at just about all their demos. White nationalists were banned from attending those demos, and those who were known were banned from joining EDL.
He got bail, and to be clear, if he was WN he would have struggled to get a bail hearing, let alone be out and about already.
He has no supported from real WNs, indeed they don’t like him for many reasons. But mostly they hate him because they believe him to be Jewish.
He claims to have Irish ancestry so presumably Catholic. So why isn't he going after paedophile priests as enthusiastically as paedophile Muslims?
Why presumably Catholic? Although could explain why he hates muslims. "
Errr. Irish? |
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"He has had his instagram account deleted .....he thinks facebook will be next"
Hopefully Donald trump will intervene in this travesty.
The horror of these events will be burned into the psyche and the collective memories of the alt right for a generation . |
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