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"I was watching the sky debate yesterday and it was good, he said , you woulnt order a bad kebab and take it home, that is kind of how brexit is, whats your view? Is uk finally seeing brexit isnt a good idea , but too late? I reckon many wanted to take up eus offer months ago to rejoin." Brexit is like a donner kebab .Because it's a non descriptive unknown meat that you regret eating the next day and stinks the place out in the morning and gives you the shits.I don't eat them because you donna know what it is mate. | |||
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"Utter drivel, the apocalyptic messages in the media, and all over the internet, are from people who never wanted BREXIT, and are still throwing their toys out of the pram. The UK will flourish outside of the EU, and most people without ulterior motives understand this and still support our exit from the EU. Indeed many are so fed up with the way this government is handling negotiations, that we are hoping for a no deal exit. The sooner the better!" Well said 
We did pretty well before the eu and sure we will manage fine without it.
In fact my profits have soared since the vote and looks like they will continue after we actually leave. No deal included. I work in the EU a lot and the vote hasn’t affected me in a bad way, only positive ways. The scare mongering needs to stop. | |||
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"Utter drivel, the apocalyptic messages in the media, and all over the internet, are from people who never wanted BREXIT, and are still throwing their toys out of the pram. The UK will flourish outside of the EU, and most people without ulterior motives understand this and still support our exit from the EU. Indeed many are so fed up with the way this government is handling negotiations, that we are hoping for a no deal exit. The sooner the better!" Wishful thinking always gives comfort to fools.  | |||
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"Utter drivel, the apocalyptic messages in the media, and all over the internet, are from people who never wanted BREXIT, and are still throwing their toys out of the pram. The UK will flourish outside of the EU, and most people without ulterior motives understand this and still support our exit from the EU. Indeed many are so fed up with the way this government is handling negotiations, that we are hoping for a no deal exit. The sooner the better! Well said
We did pretty well before the eu and sure we will manage fine without it.
In fact my profits have soared since the vote and looks like they will continue after we actually leave. No deal included. I work in the EU a lot and the vote hasn’t affected me in a bad way, only positive ways. The scare mongering needs to stop."The uk was in serious decline during the sixties and seventies, manufacturing was unable to compete on the world stage due to class division. | |||
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"Utter drivel, the apocalyptic messages in the media, and all over the internet, are from people who never wanted BREXIT, and are still throwing their toys out of the pram. The UK will flourish outside of the EU, and most people without ulterior motives understand this and still support our exit from the EU. Indeed many are so fed up with the way this government is handling negotiations, that we are hoping for a no deal exit. The sooner the better! Well said
We did pretty well before the eu and sure we will manage fine without it.
In fact my profits have soared since the vote and looks like they will continue after we actually leave. No deal included. I work in the EU a lot and the vote hasn’t affected me in a bad way, only positive ways. The scare mongering needs to stop.The uk was in serious decline during the sixties and seventies, manufacturing was unable to compete on the world stage due to class division."It wasn’t because of class division, it was because of the iron grip on industry by the trades unions. The deficit was huge and too many people doing too few jobs for too much money drove inflation through the roof. For all her faults, Thatcher did a good job on those greedy, lazy, power hungry tyrants. Scargil held out the longest, but he was always going to lose and rightly so. | |||
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"Utter drivel, the apocalyptic messages in the media, and all over the internet, are from people who never wanted BREXIT, and are still throwing their toys out of the pram. The UK will flourish outside of the EU, and most people without ulterior motives understand this and still support our exit from the EU. Indeed many are so fed up with the way this government is handling negotiations, that we are hoping for a no deal exit. The sooner the better! Well said
We did pretty well before the eu and sure we will manage fine without it.
In fact my profits have soared since the vote and looks like they will continue after we actually leave. No deal included. I work in the EU a lot and the vote hasn’t affected me in a bad way, only positive ways. The scare mongering needs to stop.The uk was in serious decline during the sixties and seventies, manufacturing was unable to compete on the world stage due to class division.
It wasn’t because of class division, it was because of the iron grip on industry by the trades unions. The deficit was huge and too many people doing too few jobs for too much money drove inflation through the roof.
For all her faults, Thatcher did a good job on those greedy, lazy, power hungry tyrants. Scargil held out the longest, but he was always going to lose and rightly so."This | |||
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"I wouldn't trust a sky debate or poll to judge the mood on this subject... found them too bias to remain in the EU for my liking .. hence i look at reuters more often than not for a more neutral read. I know a lot of remainers and leavers and none have seem to changed their minds on the way the way they voted. Saying that they are disapointed in the way its being played out." Sky? Biased towards remain?! Hahahahahahahahaahhaah! Oh you are funny. Hint: who owns Sky? The Times? The Sun? -Matt | |||
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"Utter drivel, the apocalyptic messages in the media, and all over the internet, are from people who never wanted BREXIT, and are still throwing their toys out of the pram. The UK will flourish outside of the EU, and most people without ulterior motives understand this and still support our exit from the EU. Indeed many are so fed up with the way this government is handling negotiations, that we are hoping for a no deal exit. The sooner the better!" Sky News supported Brexit, they are the ones the OP is talking about. The Times was also pro Brexit, they are the ones who reported on the military being prepared to deliver essential supplies. It's as you say from people who "never wanted brexit" it's from organisations who supported it. | |||
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"I was watching the sky debate yesterday and it was good, he said , you woulnt order a bad kebab and take it home, that is kind of how brexit is, whats your view? Is uk finally seeing brexit isnt a good idea , but too late? I reckon many wanted to take up eus offer months ago to rejoin. Brexit is like a donner kebab .Because it's a non descriptive unknown meat that you regret eating the next day and stinks the place out in the morning and gives you the shits.I don't eat them because you donna know what it is mate." A dinner kebab has protein, carbohydrate, vitamin c and fibre. Its also got chilli sauce! There no pleasing some folk. | |||
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"Utter drivel, the apocalyptic messages in the media, and all over the internet, are from people who never wanted BREXIT, and are still throwing their toys out of the pram. The UK will flourish outside of the EU, and most people without ulterior motives understand this and still support our exit from the EU. Indeed many are so fed up with the way this government is handling negotiations, that we are hoping for a no deal exit. The sooner the better! Well said
We did pretty well before the eu and sure we will manage fine without it.
In fact my profits have soared since the vote and looks like they will continue after we actually leave. No deal included. I work in the EU a lot and the vote hasn’t affected me in a bad way, only positive ways. The scare mongering needs to stop.The uk was in serious decline during the sixties and seventies, manufacturing was unable to compete on the world stage due to class division."Well, that and a massive fucking oil crisis. | |||
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"Utter drivel, the apocalyptic messages in the media, and all over the internet, are from people who never wanted BREXIT, and are still throwing their toys out of the pram. The UK will flourish outside of the EU, and most people without ulterior motives understand this and still support our exit from the EU. Indeed many are so fed up with the way this government is handling negotiations, that we are hoping for a no deal exit. The sooner the better! Sky News supported Brexit, they are the ones the OP is talking about. The Times was also pro Brexit, they are the ones who reported on the military being prepared to deliver essential supplies. It's as you say from people who "never wanted brexit" it's from organisations who supported it. " Are you sure sky news supports brexit? Everyday I hear how bad they say it is? Or is it the people they bring in the interview that dont want brexit?  | |||
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"Ownership is irrelevant. It's the editorship and the journalists and presenters. It has a left of centre, pro-remain bias, like much of the media. Only the Daily Express is truly pro-Brexit." Nonsense | |||
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"Utter drivel, the apocalyptic messages in the media, and all over the internet, are from people who never wanted BREXIT, and are still throwing their toys out of the pram. The UK will flourish outside of the EU, and most people without ulterior motives understand this and still support our exit from the EU. Indeed many are so fed up with the way this government is handling negotiations, that we are hoping for a no deal exit. The sooner the better! Well said
We did pretty well before the eu and sure we will manage fine without it.
In fact my profits have soared since the vote and looks like they will continue after we actually leave. No deal included. I work in the EU a lot and the vote hasn’t affected me in a bad way, only positive ways. The scare mongering needs to stop."Im not entirely sure we did. However, if we did do ok, a lot of that was to do with our membership of EFTA....yet the brexiteers go into meltdown at the talk of rejoining. | |||
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"Utter drivel, the apocalyptic messages in the media, and all over the internet, are from people who never wanted BREXIT, and are still throwing their toys out of the pram. The UK will flourish outside of the EU, and most people without ulterior motives understand this and still support our exit from the EU. Indeed many are so fed up with the way this government is handling negotiations, that we are hoping for a no deal exit. The sooner the better! Well said
We did pretty well before the eu and sure we will manage fine without it.
"Ok, what about this study / report then ? " Sir, Boris Johnson recently asserted that the “EU is a graveyard of low growth”. This claim merits proper examination to determine, precisely, how the UK, US, Germany and France have done since 1973, the year in which the UK joined the EU. Per capita GDP of the UK economy grew by 103%, exceeding the 97% growth of the US. Within the EU, the UK edged out Germany (99%) and clobbered France (74%). The UK’s growth has exceeded the US while tracking it, even since the crisis of 2008. This makes it hard to argue that the EU is dragging the UK down. Alternatively, compare this to the UK’s performance during the “glory days” of the Empire from 1872 to 1914. Back then Britain’s per capita growth was only 0.9% per year, in contrast to its robust 2.1% since joining the EU. An important bonus is that the benefits of growth in Britain have been divided much more fairly than in the US. Statistics compiled by the Institute for New Economic Thinking show that Since 1974, median income in the UK grew by 79%, in contrast to 16% for the US. Thus, Britain has had the best of both worlds while a member of the EU -- not just strong growth, but more equal growth. As the UK economy has grown, it has become more dependent on trade. Since 1973 the ratio of trade to economic output increased from 48% to 67%. At present 45% of the UK’s exports go to other EU member countries. In response to the concern that the EU might impose high tariffs or punitive measures if the UK leaves, some Brexiteers have said that we can “just trade with Australia and Canada”. These two countries, however, only account for a meagre 2.9% of British exports. History is clear: things have gone very well for Britain as a member of the EU. " I presume it's all "Project Fear & lies"  | |||
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"Ownership is irrelevant. It's the editorship and the journalists and presenters. It has a left of centre, pro-remain bias, like much of the media. Only the Daily Express is truly pro-Brexit." i am surprised the express have gotten over their "princess diana" fixation long enough to talk about brexit..... so... what did we all make of the dover/kent county council report on the impact and readiness of dover to cope... more project fear??? just curious....... | |||
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"Ownership is irrelevant. It's the editorship and the journalists and presenters. It has a left of centre, pro-remain bias, like much of the media. Only the Daily Express is truly pro-Brexit. i am surprised the express have gotten over their "princess diana" fixation long enough to talk about brexit..... so... what did we all make of the dover/kent county council report on the impact and readiness of dover to cope... more project fear??? just curious....... "I think the motorway car park for years topic needs it's own thread. Do you think a brexiter will start it? | |||
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"What ever happens panic will not help,keep calm,stop moaning and embrace the future because it is our future,your children's future. Some of you have turned into euro wimps,well I would rather be a British bulldog" | |||
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"What ever happens panic will not help,keep calm,stop moaning and embrace the future because it is our future,your children's future. Some of you have turned into euro wimps,well I would rather be a British bulldog "With some people saying it will be 50 yrs before we see a benefit, others a hundred years, you old people will be long since dead and buried by the time we see any benefit, all you will see is decline and suffering for this country. | |||
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"What ever happens panic will not help,keep calm,stop moaning and embrace the future because it is our future,your children's future. Some of you have turned into euro wimps,well I would rather be a British bulldog" I wonder if you'll still be embracing the future if Brexit causes dire consequences for the UK. Chanting mantra's like that about bull dogs will never alter or improve the UK's economic prospects will it ? If anyone at all had come out with ANY credible plan, data or report that showed we would be better off economically across the board by Brexit then I would be a convert, straight away, no problems...but nobody has. | |||
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"What ever happens panic will not help,keep calm,stop moaning and embrace the future because it is our future,your children's future. Some of you have turned into euro wimps,well I would rather be a British bulldog I wonder if you'll still be embracing the future if Brexit causes dire consequences for the UK. Chanting mantra's like that about bull dogs will never alter or improve the UK's economic prospects will it ? If anyone at all had come out with ANY credible plan, data or report that showed we would be better off economically across the board by Brexit then I would be a convert, straight away, no problems...but nobody has." Not all Brexiters are obsessed with the economic side to leaving the EU like remainers seem to be. I personally don't think our sovereignty and our borders should be for sale at any price. They are simply not for sale. If you are willing to sell these things to the EU then you're probably the type of person who would sell his own granny or to use another turn of phrase sell your own soul to the devil. | |||
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"What ever happens panic will not help,keep calm,stop moaning and embrace the future because it is our future,your children's future. Some of you have turned into euro wimps,well I would rather be a British bulldog I wonder if you'll still be embracing the future if Brexit causes dire consequences for the UK. Chanting mantra's like that about bull dogs will never alter or improve the UK's economic prospects will it ? If anyone at all had come out with ANY credible plan, data or report that showed we would be better off economically across the board by Brexit then I would be a convert, straight away, no problems...but nobody has. Not all Brexiters are obsessed with the economic side to leaving the EU like remainers seem to be. I personally don't think our sovereignty and our borders should be for sale at any price. They are simply not for sale. If you are willing to sell these things to the EU then you're probably the type of person who would sell his own granny or to use another turn of phrase sell your own soul to the devil. " We'll be poorer but happier eh? What a load of old cobblers. In a world where countries are coming together to work co-operatively more and more, we decide that it's a brilliant idea to cast ourselves adrift and go it alone. The level of stupidity involved in a hard Brexit is off any known scale of idiocy. | |||
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"What ever happens panic will not help,keep calm,stop moaning and embrace the future because it is our future,your children's future. Some of you have turned into euro wimps,well I would rather be a British bulldog I wonder if you'll still be embracing the future if Brexit causes dire consequences for the UK. Chanting mantra's like that about bull dogs will never alter or improve the UK's economic prospects will it ? If anyone at all had come out with ANY credible plan, data or report that showed we would be better off economically across the board by Brexit then I would be a convert, straight away, no problems...but nobody has. Not all Brexiters are obsessed with the economic side to leaving the EU like remainers seem to be. I personally don't think our sovereignty and our borders should be for sale at any price. They are simply not for sale. If you are willing to sell these things to the EU then you're probably the type of person who would sell his own granny or to use another turn of phrase sell your own soul to the devil. " Getting melodramatic now eh lol It's very plain to see "Brexiters are not concerned about the economy that's very true Centy, one thing I do agree with you there | |||
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"What ever happens panic will not help,keep calm,stop moaning and embrace the future because it is our future,your children's future. Some of you have turned into euro wimps,well I would rather be a British bulldog I wonder if you'll still be embracing the future if Brexit causes dire consequences for the UK. Chanting mantra's like that about bull dogs will never alter or improve the UK's economic prospects will it ? If anyone at all had come out with ANY credible plan, data or report that showed we would be better off economically across the board by Brexit then I would be a convert, straight away, no problems...but nobody has. Not all Brexiters are obsessed with the economic side to leaving the EU like remainers seem to be. I personally don't think our sovereignty and our borders should be for sale at any price. They are simply not for sale. If you are willing to sell these things to the EU then you're probably the type of person who would sell his own granny or to use another turn of phrase sell your own soul to the devil. We'll be poorer but happier eh? What a load of old cobblers. In a world where countries are coming together to work co-operatively more and more, we decide that it's a brilliant idea to cast ourselves adrift and go it alone. The level of stupidity involved in a hard Brexit is off any known scale of idiocy." Official figures from the Office for National statistics (ONS) showed that people in the UK are happier after the Brexit vote than we were before,.... so not a load of old cobblers according to hard data from the ONS then. 2nd the world is not coming together to work cooperatively more and more, as USA left the Trans Pacific Trade Partnership (TPP) and the Paris climate accord agreement recently under the leadership of Donald Trump and the American economy has gone from strength to strength, so that blows your little theory right out of the water. | |||
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"What ever happens panic will not help,keep calm,stop moaning and embrace the future because it is our future,your children's future. Some of you have turned into euro wimps,well I would rather be a British bulldog I wonder if you'll still be embracing the future if Brexit causes dire consequences for the UK. Chanting mantra's like that about bull dogs will never alter or improve the UK's economic prospects will it ? If anyone at all had come out with ANY credible plan, data or report that showed we would be better off economically across the board by Brexit then I would be a convert, straight away, no problems...but nobody has. Not all Brexiters are obsessed with the economic side to leaving the EU like remainers seem to be. I personally don't think our sovereignty and our borders should be for sale at any price. They are simply not for sale. If you are willing to sell these things to the EU then you're probably the type of person who would sell his own granny or to use another turn of phrase sell your own soul to the devil. " Slightly disingenuous to say remain think it’s all about the economy when you’re posting in a thread on Eu law. I think most know it’s largely a case of immigration, sovereignty and economy and argue such. However not many leavers will say it’s one and two and the expense of three. And I appreciate some will happily trade three for the principal of borders and sovereignty. My POV is atm it is just principal. It’s not like the only source of immigration is from the Eu. Nor is it easy to say the Eu laws are ones we’re not largely supportive of. Or maybe I’m just willing to sell my granny because I ended up voting remain? If we can make such jumps are you okay with the tired leavers are racists jibes ? | |||
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"What ever happens panic will not help,keep calm,stop moaning and embrace the future because it is our future,your children's future. Some of you have turned into euro wimps,well I would rather be a British bulldog
With some people saying it will be 50 yrs before we see a benefit, others a hundred years, you old people will be long since dead and buried by the time we see any benefit, all you will see is decline and suffering for this country. "I suspect for quite a few this is already the case and has been for decades. When you had Cameron, Brown, Blair & Major all saying vote to Remain, they didn't trust them so voted to Leave. Not the EU's fault, just years of broken promises across the political spectrum. | |||
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" Not all Brexiters are obsessed with the economic side to leaving the EU like remainers seem to be. I personally don't think our sovereignty and our borders should be for sale at any price. They are simply not for sale. If you are willing to sell these things to the EU then you're probably the type of person who would sell his own granny or to use another turn of phrase sell your own soul to the devil. " this has really made me giggle.... because i don't go out to intentionally make myself poorer... or make my standard of life and living worse.... or deliberately inconvience myself more than i really have to.... or others..... so cool... lets make their lives worse!!!! yey for you!!!!!! are you actually listening to yourself centaur.... really? just imagine yourself floating above in the ether right now, and go back an read what you just wrote....... and yet... thats apparently the arguement you now what to you.... really? astounded.... truely i am | |||
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" Not all Brexiters are obsessed with the economic side to leaving the EU like remainers seem to be. I personally don't think our sovereignty and our borders should be for sale at any price. They are simply not for sale. If you are willing to sell these things to the EU then you're probably the type of person who would sell his own granny or to use another turn of phrase sell your own soul to the devil. this has really made me giggle.... because i don't go out to intentionally make myself poorer... or make my standard of life and living worse.... or deliberately inconvience myself more than i really have to.... or others..... so cool... lets make their lives worse!!!! yey for you!!!!!! are you actually listening to yourself centaur.... really? just imagine yourself floating above in the ether right now, and go back an read what you just wrote....... and yet... thats apparently the arguement you now what to you.... really? astounded.... truely i am " Why the sudden shock _abio? I've always been entirely consistent about this for the last 2 years since the referendum I said the economy was low on the list of my priorities when It comes to leaving the EU. That being said I think the effect on the economy will be minimal anyway and remainers are blowing things up out of proportion with their ridiculous predictions of armaggedon. | |||
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" Not all Brexiters are obsessed with the economic side to leaving the EU like remainers seem to be. I personally don't think our sovereignty and our borders should be for sale at any price. They are simply not for sale. If you are willing to sell these things to the EU then you're probably the type of person who would sell his own granny or to use another turn of phrase sell your own soul to the devil. " Any agreement between nations by definition involves a pooling or diminution of sovereignty, in return for some perceived benefit. If, let's say, Latvia was attacked by a nuclear weapon, the UK is obliged by international treaty to launch a nuclear response against the perpetrator. The most sovereign state in the world may be North Korea. It is also the most isolated. | |||
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"Utter drivel, the apocalyptic messages in the media, and all over the internet, are from people who never wanted BREXIT, and are still throwing their toys out of the pram. The UK will flourish outside of the EU, and most people without ulterior motives understand this and still support our exit from the EU. Indeed many are so fed up with the way this government is handling negotiations, that we are hoping for a no deal exit. The sooner the better! Well said
We did pretty well before the eu and sure we will manage fine without it.
In fact my profits have soared since the vote and looks like they will continue after we actually leave. No deal included. I work in the EU a lot and the vote hasn’t affected me in a bad way, only positive ways. The scare mongering needs to stop.The uk was in serious decline during the sixties and seventies, manufacturing was unable to compete on the world stage due to class division.
It wasn’t because of class division, it was because of the iron grip on industry by the trades unions. The deficit was huge and too many people doing too few jobs for too much money drove inflation through the roof.
For all her faults, Thatcher did a good job on those greedy, lazy, power hungry tyrants. Scargil held out the longest, but he was always going to lose and rightly so."so the arabs using oil pices to hold the world to ransome had nothing to do with it? ffs theres truth and semi truth in all statments onm here . so those who thought unions a were bad would rather people tip their caps to the lord of the mannor again? get real | |||
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" Not all Brexiters are obsessed with the economic side to leaving the EU like remainers seem to be. I personally don't think our sovereignty and our borders should be for sale at any price. They are simply not for sale. If you are willing to sell these things to the EU then you're probably the type of person who would sell his own granny or to use another turn of phrase sell your own soul to the devil. this has really made me giggle.... because i don't go out to intentionally make myself poorer... or make my standard of life and living worse.... or deliberately inconvience myself more than i really have to.... or others..... so cool... lets make their lives worse!!!! yey for you!!!!!! are you actually listening to yourself centaur.... really? just imagine yourself floating above in the ether right now, and go back an read what you just wrote....... and yet... thats apparently the arguement you now what to you.... really? astounded.... truely i am Why the sudden shock _abio? I've always been entirely consistent about this for the last 2 years since the referendum I said the economy was low on the list of my priorities when It comes to leaving the EU. That being said I think the effect on the economy will be minimal anyway and remainers are blowing things up out of proportion with their ridiculous predictions of armaggedon. " You're completely clueless. How will disruptions to the supply chain and a no deal on services be of minimal impact? The country will be poorer, tax revenues will be lower and public services will suffer as a consequence. You might not be personally worse off, but the country most certainly will be and chanting it's fake news, project fear mark II or remoaning rubbish, wont change the reality. | |||
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" Not all Brexiters are obsessed with the economic side to leaving the EU like remainers seem to be. I personally don't think our sovereignty and our borders should be for sale at any price. They are simply not for sale. If you are willing to sell these things to the EU then you're probably the type of person who would sell his own granny or to use another turn of phrase sell your own soul to the devil. Any agreement between nations by definition involves a pooling or diminution of sovereignty, in return for some perceived benefit. If, let's say, Latvia was attacked by a nuclear weapon, the UK is obliged by international treaty to launch a nuclear response against the perpetrator. The most sovereign state in the world may be North Korea. It is also the most isolated. " We are under no such obligation. It is up to our government wether we launched or not. We have a say in it. Its not an automatic responce. | |||
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" Not all Brexiters are obsessed with the economic side to leaving the EU like remainers seem to be. I personally don't think our sovereignty and our borders should be for sale at any price. They are simply not for sale. If you are willing to sell these things to the EU then you're probably the type of person who would sell his own granny or to use another turn of phrase sell your own soul to the devil. Any agreement between nations by definition involves a pooling or diminution of sovereignty, in return for some perceived benefit. If, let's say, Latvia was attacked by a nuclear weapon, the UK is obliged by international treaty to launch a nuclear response against the perpetrator. The most sovereign state in the world may be North Korea. It is also the most isolated. We are under no such obligation. It is up to our government wether we launched or not. We have a say in it. Its not an automatic responce." it doesn't have to be nuclear... but nato article 5 states "an attack on one is an attack on all".... only time it has ever been envoked is when the US envoked it after 9/11..... which is why people are going after trump for his nato comments and suggesting that he wouldn't now possibly honour it.... | |||
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" Not all Brexiters are obsessed with the economic side to leaving the EU like remainers seem to be. I personally don't think our sovereignty and our borders should be for sale at any price. They are simply not for sale. If you are willing to sell these things to the EU then you're probably the type of person who would sell his own granny or to use another turn of phrase sell your own soul to the devil. Any agreement between nations by definition involves a pooling or diminution of sovereignty, in return for some perceived benefit. If, let's say, Latvia was attacked by a nuclear weapon, the UK is obliged by international treaty to launch a nuclear response against the perpetrator. The most sovereign state in the world may be North Korea. It is also the most isolated. We are under no such obligation. It is up to our government wether we launched or not. We have a say in it. Its not an automatic responce. it doesn't have to be nuclear... but nato article 5 states "an attack on one is an attack on all".... only time it has ever been envoked is when the US envoked it after 9/11..... which is why people are going after trump for his nato comments and suggesting that he wouldn't now possibly honour it...." Well it does require unanimous support from the North Atlantic Council, the civilian leadership of NATO. Each country gets a say and a veto. That's why I think it can be dangerous to keep on adding more and more countries such as Montenegro, which add no additional military might to the alliance, but may use their veto and scupper the whole purpose of the organisation. | |||
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"What ever happens panic will not help,keep calm,stop moaning and embrace the future because it is our future,your children's future. Some of you have turned into euro wimps,well I would rather be a British bulldog I wonder if you'll still be embracing the future if Brexit causes dire consequences for the UK. Chanting mantra's like that about bull dogs will never alter or improve the UK's economic prospects will it ? If anyone at all had come out with ANY credible plan, data or report that showed we would be better off economically across the board by Brexit then I would be a convert, straight away, no problems...but nobody has. Not all Brexiters are obsessed with the economic side to leaving the EU like remainers seem to be. I personally don't think our sovereignty and our borders should be for sale at any price. They are simply not for sale. If you are willing to sell these things to the EU then you're probably the type of person who would sell his own granny or to use another turn of phrase sell your own soul to the devil. " Sovereignty can you explain what your understanding of it is please? Borders - we have border controls at present. Name me one port or airport where there are no border controls? | |||
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" Not all Brexiters are obsessed with the economic side to leaving the EU like remainers seem to be. I personally don't think our sovereignty and our borders should be for sale at any price. They are simply not for sale. If you are willing to sell these things to the EU then you're probably the type of person who would sell his own granny or to use another turn of phrase sell your own soul to the devil. Any agreement between nations by definition involves a pooling or diminution of sovereignty, in return for some perceived benefit. If, let's say, Latvia was attacked by a nuclear weapon, the UK is obliged by international treaty to launch a nuclear response against the perpetrator. The most sovereign state in the world may be North Korea. It is also the most isolated. We are under no such obligation. It is up to our government wether we launched or not. We have a say in it. Its not an automatic responce. it doesn't have to be nuclear... but nato article 5 states "an attack on one is an attack on all".... only time it has ever been envoked is when the US envoked it after 9/11..... which is why people are going after trump for his nato comments and suggesting that he wouldn't now possibly honour it.... Well it does require unanimous support from the North Atlantic Council, the civilian leadership of NATO. Each country gets a say and a veto. That's why I think it can be dangerous to keep on adding more and more countries such as Montenegro, which add no additional military might to the alliance, but may use their veto and scupper the whole purpose of the organisation. " Do you support the expansion of the EU to include countries that bring nothing to the table? | |||
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" Not all Brexiters are obsessed with the economic side to leaving the EU like remainers seem to be. I personally don't think our sovereignty and our borders should be for sale at any price. They are simply not for sale. If you are willing to sell these things to the EU then you're probably the type of person who would sell his own granny or to use another turn of phrase sell your own soul to the devil. Any agreement between nations by definition involves a pooling or diminution of sovereignty, in return for some perceived benefit. If, let's say, Latvia was attacked by a nuclear weapon, the UK is obliged by international treaty to launch a nuclear response against the perpetrator. The most sovereign state in the world may be North Korea. It is also the most isolated. We are under no such obligation. It is up to our government wether we launched or not. We have a say in it. Its not an automatic responce. it doesn't have to be nuclear... but nato article 5 states "an attack on one is an attack on all".... only time it has ever been envoked is when the US envoked it after 9/11..... which is why people are going after trump for his nato comments and suggesting that he wouldn't now possibly honour it.... Well it does require unanimous support from the North Atlantic Council, the civilian leadership of NATO. Each country gets a say and a veto. That's why I think it can be dangerous to keep on adding more and more countries such as Montenegro, which add no additional military might to the alliance, but may use their veto and scupper the whole purpose of the organisation. Do you support the expansion of the EU to include countries that bring nothing to the table?" They all bring something to the table, bigger markets, larger workforces etc. And expanding the EU also extends things like the rule of law, democracy, human rights etc. | |||
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" Not all Brexiters are obsessed with the economic side to leaving the EU like remainers seem to be. I personally don't think our sovereignty and our borders should be for sale at any price. They are simply not for sale. If you are willing to sell these things to the EU then you're probably the type of person who would sell his own granny or to use another turn of phrase sell your own soul to the devil. Any agreement between nations by definition involves a pooling or diminution of sovereignty, in return for some perceived benefit. If, let's say, Latvia was attacked by a nuclear weapon, the UK is obliged by international treaty to launch a nuclear response against the perpetrator. The most sovereign state in the world may be North Korea. It is also the most isolated. We are under no such obligation. It is up to our government wether we launched or not. We have a say in it. Its not an automatic responce. it doesn't have to be nuclear... but nato article 5 states "an attack on one is an attack on all".... only time it has ever been envoked is when the US envoked it after 9/11..... which is why people are going after trump for his nato comments and suggesting that he wouldn't now possibly honour it.... Well it does require unanimous support from the North Atlantic Council, the civilian leadership of NATO. Each country gets a say and a veto. That's why I think it can be dangerous to keep on adding more and more countries such as Montenegro, which add no additional military might to the alliance, but may use their veto and scupper the whole purpose of the organisation. Do you support the expansion of the EU to include countries that bring nothing to the table? They all bring something to the table, bigger markets, larger workforces etc. And expanding the EU also extends things like the rule of law, democracy, human rights etc. " You forgot to add a veto. What is the difference between a NATO veto and an EU veto? Why does the EU need an even larger workforce when there is massive unemployment in Italy, Spain & Greece? Or did you mean a cheaper workforce?? | |||
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" Not all Brexiters are obsessed with the economic side to leaving the EU like remainers seem to be. I personally don't think our sovereignty and our borders should be for sale at any price. They are simply not for sale. If you are willing to sell these things to the EU then you're probably the type of person who would sell his own granny or to use another turn of phrase sell your own soul to the devil. Any agreement between nations by definition involves a pooling or diminution of sovereignty, in return for some perceived benefit. If, let's say, Latvia was attacked by a nuclear weapon, the UK is obliged by international treaty to launch a nuclear response against the perpetrator. The most sovereign state in the world may be North Korea. It is also the most isolated. We are under no such obligation. It is up to our government wether we launched or not. We have a say in it. Its not an automatic responce. it doesn't have to be nuclear... but nato article 5 states "an attack on one is an attack on all".... only time it has ever been envoked is when the US envoked it after 9/11..... which is why people are going after trump for his nato comments and suggesting that he wouldn't now possibly honour it.... Well it does require unanimous support from the North Atlantic Council, the civilian leadership of NATO. Each country gets a say and a veto. That's why I think it can be dangerous to keep on adding more and more countries such as Montenegro, which add no additional military might to the alliance, but may use their veto and scupper the whole purpose of the organisation. Do you support the expansion of the EU to include countries that bring nothing to the table? They all bring something to the table, bigger markets, larger workforces etc. And expanding the EU also extends things like the rule of law, democracy, human rights etc. You forgot to add a veto. What is the difference between a NATO veto and an EU veto? Why does the EU need an even larger workforce when there is massive unemployment in Italy, Spain & Greece? Or did you mean a cheaper workforce??" The difference between a NATO veto and an EU veto is quite substantial. A NATO veto is regards to defence of a nation when it's been attacked, whereas an EU veto is regards to treaty changes to a political and economic union. Any business or organisation prefers a larger pool of potential employees to recruit from. The NHS is struggling to recruit both doctors and nurses, it has hired these from NON-EU countries only to find that due to government immigration controls, those people can't get visas to come to live and work here. The job advert has the same salary regardless of where the successful candidate is recruited from. | |||
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" Not all Brexiters are obsessed with the economic side to leaving the EU like remainers seem to be. I personally don't think our sovereignty and our borders should be for sale at any price. They are simply not for sale. If you are willing to sell these things to the EU then you're probably the type of person who would sell his own granny or to use another turn of phrase sell your own soul to the devil. Any agreement between nations by definition involves a pooling or diminution of sovereignty, in return for some perceived benefit. If, let's say, Latvia was attacked by a nuclear weapon, the UK is obliged by international treaty to launch a nuclear response against the perpetrator. The most sovereign state in the world may be North Korea. It is also the most isolated. We are under no such obligation. It is up to our government wether we launched or not. We have a say in it. Its not an automatic responce. it doesn't have to be nuclear... but nato article 5 states "an attack on one is an attack on all".... only time it has ever been envoked is when the US envoked it after 9/11..... which is why people are going after trump for his nato comments and suggesting that he wouldn't now possibly honour it.... Well it does require unanimous support from the North Atlantic Council, the civilian leadership of NATO. Each country gets a say and a veto. That's why I think it can be dangerous to keep on adding more and more countries such as Montenegro, which add no additional military might to the alliance, but may use their veto and scupper the whole purpose of the organisation. Do you support the expansion of the EU to include countries that bring nothing to the table? They all bring something to the table, bigger markets, larger workforces etc. And expanding the EU also extends things like the rule of law, democracy, human rights etc. You forgot to add a veto. What is the difference between a NATO veto and an EU veto? Why does the EU need an even larger workforce when there is massive unemployment in Italy, Spain & Greece? Or did you mean a cheaper workforce?? The difference between a NATO veto and an EU veto is quite substantial. A NATO veto is regards to defence of a nation when it's been attacked, whereas an EU veto is regards to treaty changes to a political and economic union. Any business or organisation prefers a larger pool of potential employees to recruit from. The NHS is struggling to recruit both doctors and nurses, it has hired these from NON-EU countries only to find that due to government immigration controls, those people can't get visas to come to live and work here. The job advert has the same salary regardless of where the successful candidate is recruited from." There is no difference - a veto is a veto! So you trust a Macedonian doctor but not a Macedonian general? Surely Macedonia needs it's doctors more than the EU does? | |||
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" Not all Brexiters are obsessed with the economic side to leaving the EU like remainers seem to be. I personally don't think our sovereignty and our borders should be for sale at any price. They are simply not for sale. If you are willing to sell these things to the EU then you're probably the type of person who would sell his own granny or to use another turn of phrase sell your own soul to the devil. this has really made me giggle.... because i don't go out to intentionally make myself poorer... or make my standard of life and living worse.... or deliberately inconvience myself more than i really have to.... or others..... so cool... lets make their lives worse!!!! yey for you!!!!!! are you actually listening to yourself centaur.... really? just imagine yourself floating above in the ether right now, and go back an read what you just wrote....... and yet... thats apparently the arguement you now what to you.... really? astounded.... truely i am Why the sudden shock _abio? I've always been entirely consistent about this for the last 2 years since the referendum I said the economy was low on the list of my priorities when It comes to leaving the EU. That being said I think the effect on the economy will be minimal anyway and remainers are blowing things up out of proportion with their ridiculous predictions of armaggedon. You're completely clueless. How will disruptions to the supply chain and a no deal on services be of minimal impact? The country will be poorer, tax revenues will be lower and public services will suffer as a consequence. You might not be personally worse off, but the country most certainly will be and chanting it's fake news, project fear mark II or remoaning rubbish, wont change the reality."
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"Article 5. Of course, UK can sign a treaty, then choose to ignore it. Just don't be surprised when the others kick you out their club. " I think, after the event of a nuclear attack on the country you mention, any treaties ate pretty much meaningless. | |||
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" Not all Brexiters are obsessed with the economic side to leaving the EU like remainers seem to be. I personally don't think our sovereignty and our borders should be for sale at any price. They are simply not for sale. If you are willing to sell these things to the EU then you're probably the type of person who would sell his own granny or to use another turn of phrase sell your own soul to the devil. Any agreement between nations by definition involves a pooling or diminution of sovereignty, in return for some perceived benefit. If, let's say, Latvia was attacked by a nuclear weapon, the UK is obliged by international treaty to launch a nuclear response against the perpetrator. The most sovereign state in the world may be North Korea. It is also the most isolated. We are under no such obligation. It is up to our government wether we launched or not. We have a say in it. Its not an automatic responce. it doesn't have to be nuclear... but nato article 5 states "an attack on one is an attack on all".... only time it has ever been envoked is when the US envoked it after 9/11..... which is why people are going after trump for his nato comments and suggesting that he wouldn't now possibly honour it.... Well it does require unanimous support from the North Atlantic Council, the civilian leadership of NATO. Each country gets a say and a veto. That's why I think it can be dangerous to keep on adding more and more countries such as Montenegro, which add no additional military might to the alliance, but may use their veto and scupper the whole purpose of the organisation. Do you support the expansion of the EU to include countries that bring nothing to the table? They all bring something to the table, bigger markets, larger workforces etc. And expanding the EU also extends things like the rule of law, democracy, human rights etc. You forgot to add a veto. What is the difference between a NATO veto and an EU veto? Why does the EU need an even larger workforce when there is massive unemployment in Italy, Spain & Greece? Or did you mean a cheaper workforce?? The difference between a NATO veto and an EU veto is quite substantial. A NATO veto is regards to defence of a nation when it's been attacked, whereas an EU veto is regards to treaty changes to a political and economic union. Any business or organisation prefers a larger pool of potential employees to recruit from. The NHS is struggling to recruit both doctors and nurses, it has hired these from NON-EU countries only to find that due to government immigration controls, those people can't get visas to come to live and work here. The job advert has the same salary regardless of where the successful candidate is recruited from. There is no difference - a veto is a veto! So you trust a Macedonian doctor but not a Macedonian general? Surely Macedonia needs it's doctors more than the EU does?" There is a difference, national defence is highly time sensitive, changing an EU treaty is not. If a country uses their veto on a new treaty, the treaty can be re-worked and re-written until all parties can agree to it. The same can not be said if a small country like Estonia is trying to defend itself against, for example, a Russian invasion. Generals do not sit on the NAC, it is a civilian decision making body, as has already been explained to you. This shows that you don't know how the NAC or NATO works, and you are incapable of learning even when people explain it to you. | |||
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" Not all Brexiters are obsessed with the economic side to leaving the EU like remainers seem to be. I personally don't think our sovereignty and our borders should be for sale at any price. They are simply not for sale. If you are willing to sell these things to the EU then you're probably the type of person who would sell his own granny or to use another turn of phrase sell your own soul to the devil. Any agreement between nations by definition involves a pooling or diminution of sovereignty, in return for some perceived benefit. If, let's say, Latvia was attacked by a nuclear weapon, the UK is obliged by international treaty to launch a nuclear response against the perpetrator. The most sovereign state in the world may be North Korea. It is also the most isolated. We are under no such obligation. It is up to our government wether we launched or not. We have a say in it. Its not an automatic responce. it doesn't have to be nuclear... but nato article 5 states "an attack on one is an attack on all".... only time it has ever been envoked is when the US envoked it after 9/11..... which is why people are going after trump for his nato comments and suggesting that he wouldn't now possibly honour it.... Well it does require unanimous support from the North Atlantic Council, the civilian leadership of NATO. Each country gets a say and a veto. That's why I think it can be dangerous to keep on adding more and more countries such as Montenegro, which add no additional military might to the alliance, but may use their veto and scupper the whole purpose of the organisation. Do you support the expansion of the EU to include countries that bring nothing to the table? They all bring something to the table, bigger markets, larger workforces etc. And expanding the EU also extends things like the rule of law, democracy, human rights etc. You forgot to add a veto. What is the difference between a NATO veto and an EU veto? Why does the EU need an even larger workforce when there is massive unemployment in Italy, Spain & Greece? Or did you mean a cheaper workforce?? The difference between a NATO veto and an EU veto is quite substantial. A NATO veto is regards to defence of a nation when it's been attacked, whereas an EU veto is regards to treaty changes to a political and economic union. Any business or organisation prefers a larger pool of potential employees to recruit from. The NHS is struggling to recruit both doctors and nurses, it has hired these from NON-EU countries only to find that due to government immigration controls, those people can't get visas to come to live and work here. The job advert has the same salary regardless of where the successful candidate is recruited from. There is no difference - a veto is a veto! So you trust a Macedonian doctor but not a Macedonian general? Surely Macedonia needs it's doctors more than the EU does? There is a difference, national defence is highly time sensitive, changing an EU treaty is not. If a country uses their veto on a new treaty, the treaty can be re-worked and re-written until all parties can agree to it. The same can not be said if a small country like Estonia is trying to defend itself against, for example, a Russian invasion. Generals do not sit on the NAC, it is a civilian decision making body, as has already been explained to you. This shows that you don't know how the NAC or NATO works, and you are incapable of learning even when people explain it to you." So a veto is a veto... I'm not an expert on NATO or the NAC (obviously you are), but where in my posts did I say generals sit on the NAC? I asked if you trust a Macedonian doctor but not a Macedonian general. So why do the EU need an even larger workforce when there is massive unemployment in Italy, Spain & Greece? | |||
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" Not all Brexiters are obsessed with the economic side to leaving the EU like remainers seem to be. I personally don't think our sovereignty and our borders should be for sale at any price. They are simply not for sale. If you are willing to sell these things to the EU then you're probably the type of person who would sell his own granny or to use another turn of phrase sell your own soul to the devil. Any agreement between nations by definition involves a pooling or diminution of sovereignty, in return for some perceived benefit. If, let's say, Latvia was attacked by a nuclear weapon, the UK is obliged by international treaty to launch a nuclear response against the perpetrator. The most sovereign state in the world may be North Korea. It is also the most isolated. We are under no such obligation. It is up to our government wether we launched or not. We have a say in it. Its not an automatic responce. it doesn't have to be nuclear... but nato article 5 states "an attack on one is an attack on all".... only time it has ever been envoked is when the US envoked it after 9/11..... which is why people are going after trump for his nato comments and suggesting that he wouldn't now possibly honour it.... Well it does require unanimous support from the North Atlantic Council, the civilian leadership of NATO. Each country gets a say and a veto. That's why I think it can be dangerous to keep on adding more and more countries such as Montenegro, which add no additional military might to the alliance, but may use their veto and scupper the whole purpose of the organisation. Do you support the expansion of the EU to include countries that bring nothing to the table? They all bring something to the table, bigger markets, larger workforces etc. And expanding the EU also extends things like the rule of law, democracy, human rights etc. You forgot to add a veto. What is the difference between a NATO veto and an EU veto? Why does the EU need an even larger workforce when there is massive unemployment in Italy, Spain & Greece? Or did you mean a cheaper workforce?? The difference between a NATO veto and an EU veto is quite substantial. A NATO veto is regards to defence of a nation when it's been attacked, whereas an EU veto is regards to treaty changes to a political and economic union. Any business or organisation prefers a larger pool of potential employees to recruit from. The NHS is struggling to recruit both doctors and nurses, it has hired these from NON-EU countries only to find that due to government immigration controls, those people can't get visas to come to live and work here. The job advert has the same salary regardless of where the successful candidate is recruited from. There is no difference - a veto is a veto! So you trust a Macedonian doctor but not a Macedonian general? Surely Macedonia needs it's doctors more than the EU does? There is a difference, national defence is highly time sensitive, changing an EU treaty is not. If a country uses their veto on a new treaty, the treaty can be re-worked and re-written until all parties can agree to it. The same can not be said if a small country like Estonia is trying to defend itself against, for example, a Russian invasion. Generals do not sit on the NAC, it is a civilian decision making body, as has already been explained to you. This shows that you don't know how the NAC or NATO works, and you are incapable of learning even when people explain it to you. So a veto is a veto... I'm not an expert on NATO or the NAC (obviously you are), but where in my posts did I say generals sit on the NAC? I asked if you trust a Macedonian doctor but not a Macedonian general. So why do the EU need an even larger workforce when there is massive unemployment in Italy, Spain & Greece?" Yes well done, a veto is a veto. An apple is an apple, and Brexit is Brexit. But not all vetos are equal, as has been demonstrated to you. It's moronic to say employers don't want access to more potential applicants just because there are unemployed people somewhere else. Those unemployed people either don't have the skills needed, or don't want to come here. Following your logic, why is the NHS recruiting from outside the EU, when there are unemployed people in Italy, Spain and Greece? | |||
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"Not all Brexiters are obsessed with the economic side to leaving the EU like remainers seem to be. I personally don't think our sovereignty and our borders should be for sale at any price. They are simply not for sale. If you are willing to sell these things to the EU then you're probably the type of person who would sell his own granny or to use another turn of phrase sell your own soul to the devil. " If you think our sovereignty is not for sake simply because we have left the EU, then you have a disturbingly large amount of faith in our politicians. You think they want what's best for the UK? You think they care about representing the population? You think *they* wouldn't sell their own granny if it meant more money or power for them? Good luck with that... | |||
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"Utter drivel, the apocalyptic messages in the media, and all over the internet, are from people who never wanted BREXIT, and are still throwing their toys out of the pram. The UK will flourish outside of the EU, and most people without ulterior motives understand this and still support our exit from the EU. Indeed many are so fed up with the way this government is handling negotiations, that we are hoping for a no deal exit. The sooner the better! Well said
We did pretty well before the eu and sure we will manage fine without it.
In fact my profits have soared since the vote and looks like they will continue after we actually leave. No deal included. I work in the EU a lot and the vote hasn’t affected me in a bad way, only positive ways. The scare mongering needs to stop."An excellent post. Those who are working hard and achieving success in life and not concerned about the impact of Brexit. It can only be positive . We will make a significant saving on our contributions and hopefully remove lots of red tape which hinders business . The performance of the Stock Exchange is a clear indication that we have nothing to fear . The only difference that leaving make a is that we cease paying a membership fee to the EU and simply trade in WTO terms. The day after we leave will be no different to the day before.    | |||
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"Utter drivel, the apocalyptic messages in the media, and all over the internet, are from people who never wanted BREXIT, and are still throwing their toys out of the pram. The UK will flourish outside of the EU, and most people without ulterior motives understand this and still support our exit from the EU. Indeed many are so fed up with the way this government is handling negotiations, that we are hoping for a no deal exit. The sooner the better! Well said
We did pretty well before the eu and sure we will manage fine without it.
In fact my profits have soared since the vote and looks like they will continue after we actually leave. No deal included. I work in the EU a lot and the vote hasn’t affected me in a bad way, only positive ways. The scare mongering needs to stop. An excellent post. Those who are working hard and achieving success in life and not concerned about the impact of Brexit.
It can only be positive . We will make a significant saving on our contributions and hopefully remove lots of red tape which hinders business .
The performance of the Stock Exchange is a clear indication that we have nothing to fear .
The only difference that leaving make a is that we cease paying a membership fee to the EU and simply trade in WTO terms.
The day after we leave will be no different to the day before. ""It can only be positive"? How do you figure that?  | |||
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"Utter drivel, the apocalyptic messages in the media, and all over the internet, are from people who never wanted BREXIT, and are still throwing their toys out of the pram. The UK will flourish outside of the EU, and most people without ulterior motives understand this and still support our exit from the EU. Indeed many are so fed up with the way this government is handling negotiations, that we are hoping for a no deal exit. The sooner the better! Well said
We did pretty well before the eu and sure we will manage fine without it.
In fact my profits have soared since the vote and looks like they will continue after we actually leave. No deal included. I work in the EU a lot and the vote hasn’t affected me in a bad way, only positive ways. The scare mongering needs to stop. An excellent post. Those who are working hard and achieving success in life and not concerned about the impact of Brexit.
It can only be positive . We will make a significant saving on our contributions and hopefully remove lots of red tape which hinders business .
The performance of the Stock Exchange is a clear indication that we have nothing to fear .
The only difference that leaving make a is that we cease paying a membership fee to the EU and simply trade in WTO terms.
The day after we leave will be no different to the day before. "Ok , just one simple question if trading only on WTO terms is better ... Why is there only 1 Country in the world out of around 195 or so only trading under WTO rules ? MAURITANIA is the only country in the world to trade solely under WTO rules. " For those of you not familiar with Mauritania, it’s GDP is $4,714million (0.2% of the UK’s), 50% of its exports consist of Iron Ore, and between 1% and 17% of the population still live in slavery. It appears that this is the country that Leave.UK wish to emulate. I am afraid that this is not a vision for Britain’s future that I can share. " I must say I agree... But the question still stands | |||
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"Utter drivel, the apocalyptic messages in the media, and all over the internet, are from people who never wanted BREXIT, and are still throwing their toys out of the pram. The UK will flourish outside of the EU, and most people without ulterior motives understand this and still support our exit from the EU. Indeed many are so fed up with the way this government is handling negotiations, that we are hoping for a no deal exit. The sooner the better! Well said
We did pretty well before the eu and sure we will manage fine without it.
In fact my profits have soared since the vote and looks like they will continue after we actually leave. No deal included. I work in the EU a lot and the vote hasn’t affected me in a bad way, only positive ways. The scare mongering needs to stop. An excellent post. Those who are working hard and achieving success in life and not concerned about the impact of Brexit.
It can only be positive . We will make a significant saving on our contributions and hopefully remove lots of red tape which hinders business .
The performance of the Stock Exchange is a clear indication that we have nothing to fear .
The only difference that leaving make a is that we cease paying a membership fee to the EU and simply trade in WTO terms.
The day after we leave will be no different to the day before. "On the topic of the EU membership fee, the latest official Treasury figures show the UK's annual net contribution to the EU rose from £8.1 billion to £8.8 billion last year. | |||
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" On the topic of the EU membership fee, the latest official Treasury figures show the UK's annual net contribution to the EU rose from £8.1 billion to £8.8 billion last year. So what? The report from Dover council on the tailbacks at the port are going to cost more than £91bn a year." Well that remains to be seen, as it's a guess about the future (and we already know many of remains ridiculous predictions failed to materialise after the vote to leave in 2016). The Treasury figures on the membership fee increasing I quoted are hard data, irrefutable fact as from last year's membership fee. | |||
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"Utter drivel, the apocalyptic messages in the media, and all over the internet, are from people who never wanted BREXIT, and are still throwing their toys out of the pram. The UK will flourish outside of the EU, and most people without ulterior motives understand this and still support our exit from the EU. Indeed many are so fed up with the way this government is handling negotiations, that we are hoping for a no deal exit. The sooner the better! Well said
We did pretty well before the eu and sure we will manage fine without it.
In fact my profits have soared since the vote and looks like they will continue after we actually leave. No deal included. I work in the EU a lot and the vote hasn’t affected me in a bad way, only positive ways. The scare mongering needs to stop. An excellent post. Those who are working hard and achieving success in life and not concerned about the impact of Brexit.
It can only be positive . We will make a significant saving on our contributions and hopefully remove lots of red tape which hinders business .
The performance of the Stock Exchange is a clear indication that we have nothing to fear .
The only difference that leaving make a is that we cease paying a membership fee to the EU and simply trade in WTO terms.
The day after we leave will be no different to the day before.
On the topic of the EU membership fee, the latest official Treasury figures show the UK's annual net contribution to the EU rose from £8.1 billion to £8.8 billion last year. "Indeed, if we have higher tax receipts / GDP our contribution goes up accordingly so if we are being dragged down by the EU our contribution would also reduce, but it's not, it's as you say gone up. | |||
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" On the topic of the EU membership fee, the latest official Treasury figures show the UK's annual net contribution to the EU rose from £8.1 billion to £8.8 billion last year. " hang on... so we not using that "350 million pound per week" figure anymore..... wonder why???? | |||
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"Utter drivel, the apocalyptic messages in the media, and all over the internet, are from people who never wanted BREXIT, and are still throwing their toys out of the pram. The UK will flourish outside of the EU, and most people without ulterior motives understand this and still support our exit from the EU. Indeed many are so fed up with the way this government is handling negotiations, that we are hoping for a no deal exit. The sooner the better! Well said
We did pretty well before the eu and sure we will manage fine without it.
In fact my profits have soared since the vote and looks like they will continue after we actually leave. No deal included. I work in the EU a lot and the vote hasn’t affected me in a bad way, only positive ways. The scare mongering needs to stop. An excellent post. Those who are working hard and achieving success in life and not concerned about the impact of Brexit.
It can only be positive . We will make a significant saving on our contributions and hopefully remove lots of red tape which hinders business .
The performance of the Stock Exchange is a clear indication that we have nothing to fear .
The only difference that leaving make a is that we cease paying a membership fee to the EU and simply trade in WTO terms.
The day after we leave will be no different to the day before.
On the topic of the EU membership fee, the latest official Treasury figures show the UK's annual net contribution to the EU rose from £8.1 billion to £8.8 billion last year.
Indeed, if we have higher tax receipts / GDP our contribution goes up accordingly so if we are being dragged down by the EU our contribution would also reduce, but it's not, it's as you say gone up."So we're doing well after the vote to leave in 2016 then. You just just admitted it. What happened to the immediate and deep recession we were meant to be in by now as predicted by Remain during the referendum following a vote to leave? What happened to the 500,000 job losses we were meant to have (predicted by remain) following a vote to leave in 2016? | |||
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" So we're doing well after the vote to leave in 2016 then. You just just admitted it. What happened to the immediate and deep recession we were meant to be in by now as predicted by Remain during the referendum following a vote to leave? What happened to the 500,000 job losses we were meant to have (predicted by remain) following a vote to leave in 2016? " well..... we have gone from being the strongest growing economy in the EU.... to being the weakest growing ecomony in the EU? just wonder what you put that down to centy? | |||
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" On the topic of the EU membership fee, the latest official Treasury figures show the UK's annual net contribution to the EU rose from £8.1 billion to £8.8 billion last year. So what? The report from Dover council on the tailbacks at the port are going to cost more than £91bn a year. Well that remains to be seen, as it's a guess about the future (and we already know many of remains ridiculous predictions failed to materialise after the vote to leave in 2016). The Treasury figures on the membership fee increasing I quoted are hard data, irrefutable fact as from last year's membership fee. " And leave didn't come out with stupid bullshit either... or do you really want to go down this route yet again as you seem very fond of bringing up just one side of the arguments stupid statements while conveniently choosing to ignore the other side's. | |||
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" On the topic of the EU membership fee, the latest official Treasury figures show the UK's annual net contribution to the EU rose from £8.1 billion to £8.8 billion last year. So what? The report from Dover council on the tailbacks at the port are going to cost more than £91bn a year. Where did you pluck that figure from?" The post you quoted names the source. Read it again...  | |||
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"Utter drivel, the apocalyptic messages in the media, and all over the internet, are from people who never wanted BREXIT, and are still throwing their toys out of the pram. The UK will flourish outside of the EU, and most people without ulterior motives understand this and still support our exit from the EU. Indeed many are so fed up with the way this government is handling negotiations, that we are hoping for a no deal exit. The sooner the better! Well said
We did pretty well before the eu and sure we will manage fine without it.
In fact my profits have soared since the vote and looks like they will continue after we actually leave. No deal included. I work in the EU a lot and the vote hasn’t affected me in a bad way, only positive ways. The scare mongering needs to stop. An excellent post. Those who are working hard and achieving success in life and not concerned about the impact of Brexit.
It can only be positive . We will make a significant saving on our contributions and hopefully remove lots of red tape which hinders business .
The performance of the Stock Exchange is a clear indication that we have nothing to fear .
The only difference that leaving make a is that we cease paying a membership fee to the EU and simply trade in WTO terms.
The day after we leave will be no different to the day before.
On the topic of the EU membership fee, the latest official Treasury figures show the UK's annual net contribution to the EU rose from £8.1 billion to £8.8 billion last year.
Indeed, if we have higher tax receipts / GDP our contribution goes up accordingly so if we are being dragged down by the EU our contribution would also reduce, but it's not, it's as you say gone up.
So we're doing well after the vote to leave in 2016 then. You just just admitted it. What happened to the immediate and deep recession we were meant to be in by now as predicted by Remain during the referendum following a vote to leave? What happened to the 500,000 job losses we were meant to have (predicted by remain) following a vote to leave in 2016? "The immediate deep recession was stopped by more than £90bn of fiscal and monetary policy measures, or have you convienetly forgotten that? | |||
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" On the topic of the EU membership fee, the latest official Treasury figures show the UK's annual net contribution to the EU rose from £8.1 billion to £8.8 billion last year. So what? The report from Dover council on the tailbacks at the port are going to cost more than £91bn a year. Where did you pluck that figure from?" i am guessing the clue is in the "the report from dover council".....
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" So we're doing well after the vote to leave in 2016 then. You just just admitted it. What happened to the immediate and deep recession we were meant to be in by now as predicted by Remain during the referendum following a vote to leave? What happened to the 500,000 job losses we were meant to have (predicted by remain) following a vote to leave in 2016? well..... we have gone from being the strongest growing economy in the EU.... to being the weakest growing ecomony in the EU? just wonder what you put that down to centy? " But Just-Andy said our EU membership fee had increased last year because our tax receipts had increased and our GDP had increased. A far cry from predictions of recession and half a million job losses remainers like him were predicting during the referendum campaign in 2016. He's basically just admitted that remains forecasts and predictions of economic collapse during the referendum were nothing more than Bullshit. | |||
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"Utter drivel, the apocalyptic messages in the media, and all over the internet, are from people who never wanted BREXIT, and are still throwing their toys out of the pram. The UK will flourish outside of the EU, and most people without ulterior motives understand this and still support our exit from the EU. Indeed many are so fed up with the way this government is handling negotiations, that we are hoping for a no deal exit. The sooner the better! Well said
We did pretty well before the eu and sure we will manage fine without it.
In fact my profits have soared since the vote and looks like they will continue after we actually leave. No deal included. I work in the EU a lot and the vote hasn’t affected me in a bad way, only positive ways. The scare mongering needs to stop. An excellent post. Those who are working hard and achieving success in life and not concerned about the impact of Brexit.
It can only be positive . We will make a significant saving on our contributions and hopefully remove lots of red tape which hinders business .
The performance of the Stock Exchange is a clear indication that we have nothing to fear .
The only difference that leaving make a is that we cease paying a membership fee to the EU and simply trade in WTO terms.
The day after we leave will be no different to the day before.
On the topic of the EU membership fee, the latest official Treasury figures show the UK's annual net contribution to the EU rose from £8.1 billion to £8.8 billion last year.
Indeed, if we have higher tax receipts / GDP our contribution goes up accordingly so if we are being dragged down by the EU our contribution would also reduce, but it's not, it's as you say gone up.
So we're doing well after the vote to leave in 2016 then. You just just admitted it. What happened to the immediate and deep recession we were meant to be in by now as predicted by Remain during the referendum following a vote to leave? What happened to the 500,000 job losses we were meant to have (predicted by remain) following a vote to leave in 2016? "Twist & fabrication as normal Centy. I never said that would happen did I for god's sake but I will hold you to what YOU have said that there will be the Brexit dividend & all this extra red bus mmoney for the NHS....how is that plan for all this extra money that will be available to the government going Centy | |||
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" So we're doing well after the vote to leave in 2016 then. You just just admitted it. What happened to the immediate and deep recession we were meant to be in by now as predicted by Remain during the referendum following a vote to leave? What happened to the 500,000 job losses we were meant to have (predicted by remain) following a vote to leave in 2016? well..... we have gone from being the strongest growing economy in the EU.... to being the weakest growing ecomony in the EU? just wonder what you put that down to centy? But Just-Andy said our EU membership fee had increased last year because our tax receipts had increased and our GDP had increased. A far cry from predictions of recession and half a million job losses remainers like him were predicting during the referendum campaign in 2016. He's basically just admitted that remains forecasts and predictions of economic collapse during the referendum were nothing more than Bullshit. " no... andy is saying that if the ecomony had been stronger... we would have ended up having to pay more... see you are going to believe one set of govt statistics... here is a kicker, they all end up coming from the same place!!! so id we have gone from having the strongest growing economy by GDP in the EU before the vote, to now having the weakest growing economy by GDP in the EU..... what do you put that down to? | |||
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" So we're doing well after the vote to leave in 2016 then. You just just admitted it. What happened to the immediate and deep recession we were meant to be in by now as predicted by Remain during the referendum following a vote to leave? What happened to the 500,000 job losses we were meant to have (predicted by remain) following a vote to leave in 2016? well..... we have gone from being the strongest growing economy in the EU.... to being the weakest growing ecomony in the EU? just wonder what you put that down to centy? But Just-Andy said our EU membership fee had increased last year because our tax receipts had increased and our GDP had increased. A far cry from predictions of recession and half a million job losses remainers like him were predicting during the referendum campaign in 2016. He's basically just admitted that remains forecasts and predictions of economic collapse during the referendum were nothing more than Bullshit. " Do you actually understand that expenditure & GDP do not go hand in hand Centy ? Even though the UK pumped 90 billion into anti Brexit measures that does not get subtracted from GDP figures. I never EVER posted on here about recessions and half million job losses at all, STOP FUCKING LYING Twist & fabrication as ever , you cannot debate / argue your case without resorting to fucking lies. | |||
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" So we're doing well after the vote to leave in 2016 then. You just just admitted it. What happened to the immediate and deep recession we were meant to be in by now as predicted by Remain during the referendum following a vote to leave? What happened to the 500,000 job losses we were meant to have (predicted by remain) following a vote to leave in 2016? well..... we have gone from being the strongest growing economy in the EU.... to being the weakest growing ecomony in the EU? just wonder what you put that down to centy? But Just-Andy said our EU membership fee had increased last year because our tax receipts had increased and our GDP had increased. A far cry from predictions of recession and half a million job losses remainers like him were predicting during the referendum campaign in 2016. He's basically just admitted that remains forecasts and predictions of economic collapse during the referendum were nothing more than Bullshit. no... andy is saying that if the ecomony had been stronger... we would have ended up having to pay more... see you are going to believe one set of govt statistics... here is a kicker, they all end up coming from the same place!!! so id we have gone from having the strongest growing economy by GDP in the EU before the vote, to now having the weakest growing economy by GDP in the EU..... what do you put that down to? "Fabio go back and read Andy's post again. It's there in black and white ffs. He said our EU membership fee had increased last year because our tax receipts and GDP had increased. | |||
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" Fabio go back and read Andy's post again. It's there in black and white ffs. He said our EU membership fee had increased last year because our tax receipts and GDP had increased. " what part of the statement "we now have the slowest growing ecomony by GDP in the EU" are you not quite understanding?????? so.... what do you put that down to? | |||
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" On the topic of the EU membership fee, the latest official Treasury figures show the UK's annual net contribution to the EU rose from £8.1 billion to £8.8 billion last year. So what? The report from Dover council on the tailbacks at the port are going to cost more than £91bn a year. Where did you pluck that figure from? The post you quoted names the source. Read it again... "Ahh the £250m per day? Who came up with that figure? | |||
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" On the topic of the EU membership fee, the latest official Treasury figures show the UK's annual net contribution to the EU rose from £8.1 billion to £8.8 billion last year. So what? The report from Dover council on the tailbacks at the port are going to cost more than £91bn a year. Where did you pluck that figure from? i am guessing the clue is in the "the report from dover council".....
can i have masterminds for 200 please...... "Where did Dover Council say it will cost £91bn a year? | |||
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"What ever happens panic will not help,keep calm,stop moaning and embrace the future because it is our future,your children's future. Some of you have turned into euro wimps,well I would rather be a British bulldog I wonder if you'll still be embracing the future if Brexit causes dire consequences for the UK. Chanting mantra's like that about bull dogs will never alter or improve the UK's economic prospects will it ? If anyone at all had come out with ANY credible plan, data or report that showed we would be better off economically across the board by Brexit then I would be a convert, straight away, no problems...but nobody has. Not all Brexiters are obsessed with the economic side to leaving the EU like remainers seem to be. I personally don't think our sovereignty and our borders should be for sale at any price. They are simply not for sale. If you are willing to sell these things to the EU then you're probably the type of person who would sell his own granny or to use another turn of phrase sell your own soul to the devil. " Well said and well put | |||
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" On the topic of the EU membership fee, the latest official Treasury figures show the UK's annual net contribution to the EU rose from £8.1 billion to £8.8 billion last year. So what? The report from Dover council on the tailbacks at the port are going to cost more than £91bn a year. Where did you pluck that figure from? The post you quoted names the source. Read it again...
Ahh the £250m per day? Who came up with that figure?"i am probably guessing conservative led dover council in conjunction with conservative led kent county county..... since it was a joint report scrabble.... have you read the brexit planning report by bristol city council (since you live there) it is a corker of a read..... | |||
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" Fabio go back and read Andy's post again. It's there in black and white ffs. He said our EU membership fee had increased last year because our tax receipts and GDP had increased. what part of the statement "we now have the slowest growing ecomony by GDP in the EU" are you not quite understanding?????? so.... what do you put that down to?" The glaring fact is remainers accept the remain campaign was ran badly but the BOE did injected so much stimulus to negate a Brexit result shockwave. This is publicised on the net so much only an idiot would refuse to believe it had been done, yet Centy holds the notion as true fact that Leave conducted themselves to the highest order and truth while nothing bad happened because it was all made up by remain scaremongers. At least I can accept both sides conducted themselves badly while Leavers like Centy cannot. Also the difference between expenditure / GDP seems to escape him. | |||
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"What ever happens panic will not help,keep calm,stop moaning and embrace the future because it is our future,your children's future. Some of you have turned into euro wimps,well I would rather be a British bulldog I wonder if you'll still be embracing the future if Brexit causes dire consequences for the UK. Chanting mantra's like that about bull dogs will never alter or improve the UK's economic prospects will it ? If anyone at all had come out with ANY credible plan, data or report that showed we would be better off economically across the board by Brexit then I would be a convert, straight away, no problems...but nobody has. Not all Brexiters are obsessed with the economic side to leaving the EU like remainers seem to be. I personally don't think our sovereignty and our borders should be for sale at any price. They are simply not for sale. If you are willing to sell these things to the EU then you're probably the type of person who would sell his own granny or to use another turn of phrase sell your own soul to the devil. Well said and well put "Ha, bless | |||
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" So we're doing well after the vote to leave in 2016 then. You just just admitted it. What happened to the immediate and deep recession we were meant to be in by now as predicted by Remain during the referendum following a vote to leave? What happened to the 500,000 job losses we were meant to have (predicted by remain) following a vote to leave in 2016? well..... we have gone from being the strongest growing economy in the EU.... to being the weakest growing ecomony in the EU? just wonder what you put that down to centy? But Just-Andy said our EU membership fee had increased last year because our tax receipts had increased and our GDP had increased. A far cry from predictions of recession and half a million job losses remainers like him were predicting during the referendum campaign in 2016. He's basically just admitted that remains forecasts and predictions of economic collapse during the referendum were nothing more than Bullshit. no... andy is saying that if the ecomony had been stronger... we would have ended up having to pay more... see you are going to believe one set of govt statistics... here is a kicker, they all end up coming from the same place!!! so id we have gone from having the strongest growing economy by GDP in the EU before the vote, to now having the weakest growing economy by GDP in the EU..... what do you put that down to?
Fabio go back and read Andy's post again. It's there in black and white ffs. He said our EU membership fee had increased last year because our tax receipts and GDP had increased. "To have any kind of meaningful discussion we need to look at the longer trend. If last year was a v bad year is not really worth celebrating this year only being bad (I don’t know this for a fact as I can’t find the government report the mail and sun quote, but stuff I have found suggests we’re maybe back to where we were two years ago) | |||
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" On the topic of the EU membership fee, the latest official Treasury figures show the UK's annual net contribution to the EU rose from £8.1 billion to £8.8 billion last year. So what? The report from Dover council on the tailbacks at the port are going to cost more than £91bn a year. Where did you pluck that figure from? The post you quoted names the source. Read it again...
Ahh the £250m per day? Who came up with that figure?
i am probably guessing conservative led dover council in conjunction with conservative led kent county county..... since it was a joint report
scrabble.... have you read the brexit planning report by bristol city council (since you live there) it is a corker of a read..... "You're guessing? Maybe you should do some reading yourself. The BBC article has the Freight Transport Association (FTA) as the source. Yet in a House of Commons report the FTA itself said that it was not responsible for this figure and understood it to have been arrived at by means of a somewhat crude methodology. A spokesperson for the FTA said; "There are questions as to where that originally came from. We understand that it was originally a port of Dover figure and was based on calculating a figure of £89 billion, which is the worth of UK goods passing through the port of Calais on the Calais-Dover route each year. That was divided by 365 days and that is how that figure was arrived at." An article in the Guardian quotes the author of the original Dover report, saying he believes "there will indeed be losses to the UK economy, but only a small percentage of the alleged £250m daily cost." This is why I asked where CLCC plucked that figure from. | |||
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"Utter drivel, the apocalyptic messages in the media, and all over the internet, are from people who never wanted BREXIT, and are still throwing their toys out of the pram. The UK will flourish outside of the EU, and most people without ulterior motives understand this and still support our exit from the EU. Indeed many are so fed up with the way this government is handling negotiations, that we are hoping for a no deal exit. The sooner the better! Well said
We did pretty well before the eu and sure we will manage fine without it.
In fact my profits have soared since the vote and looks like they will continue after we actually leave. No deal included. I work in the EU a lot and the vote hasn’t affected me in a bad way, only positive ways. The scare mongering needs to stop. An excellent post. Those who are working hard and achieving success in life and not concerned about the impact of Brexit.
It can only be positive . We will make a significant saving on our contributions and hopefully remove lots of red tape which hinders business .
The performance of the Stock Exchange is a clear indication that we have nothing to fear .
The only difference that leaving make a is that we cease paying a membership fee to the EU and simply trade in WTO terms.
The day after we leave will be no different to the day before.
On the topic of the EU membership fee, the latest official Treasury figures show the UK's annual net contribution to the EU rose from £8.1 billion to £8.8 billion last year. "Which is not anywhere like 350m a week that the bus told us about is it?? | |||
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" On the topic of the EU membership fee, the latest official Treasury figures show the UK's annual net contribution to the EU rose from £8.1 billion to £8.8 billion last year. So what? The report from Dover council on the tailbacks at the port are going to cost more than £91bn a year. Where did you pluck that figure from? The post you quoted names the source. Read it again...
Ahh the £250m per day? Who came up with that figure?
i am probably guessing conservative led dover council in conjunction with conservative led kent county county..... since it was a joint report
scrabble.... have you read the brexit planning report by bristol city council (since you live there) it is a corker of a read.....
You're guessing? Maybe you should do some reading yourself.
The BBC article has the Freight Transport Association (FTA) as the source. Yet in a House of Commons report the FTA itself said that it was not responsible for this figure and understood it to have been arrived at by means of a somewhat crude methodology. A spokesperson for the FTA said; "There are questions as to where that originally came from. We understand that it was originally a port of Dover figure and was based on calculating a figure of £89 billion, which is the worth of UK goods passing through the port of Calais on the Calais-Dover route each year. That was divided by 365 days and that is how that figure was arrived at."
An article in the Guardian quotes the author of the original Dover report, saying he believes "there will indeed be losses to the UK economy, but only a small percentage of the alleged £250m daily cost."
This is why I asked where CLCC plucked that figure from.
"From the BBC article who say their source was the FTA. But let's say the figure is wrong, let's say it's only 10% of the figure quoted, that still entirely wipes out the "savings" Centaur is talking about. And this is just 1 port. What about the costs and delays at the others? Can you see how that £8.8bn "saving" is not going to be saved at all. Also, as usual, Centaur is only quoting the figure that the UK government pays, completely ignoring the payments the EU makes to non-government organisations such as universities as part of the science budget. | |||
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" On the topic of the EU membership fee, the latest official Treasury figures show the UK's annual net contribution to the EU rose from £8.1 billion to £8.8 billion last year. So what? The report from Dover council on the tailbacks at the port are going to cost more than £91bn a year. Where did you pluck that figure from? The post you quoted names the source. Read it again...
Ahh the £250m per day? Who came up with that figure?
i am probably guessing conservative led dover council in conjunction with conservative led kent county county..... since it was a joint report
scrabble.... have you read the brexit planning report by bristol city council (since you live there) it is a corker of a read.....
You're guessing? Maybe you should do some reading yourself.
The BBC article has the Freight Transport Association (FTA) as the source. Yet in a House of Commons report the FTA itself said that it was not responsible for this figure and understood it to have been arrived at by means of a somewhat crude methodology. A spokesperson for the FTA said; "There are questions as to where that originally came from. We understand that it was originally a port of Dover figure and was based on calculating a figure of £89 billion, which is the worth of UK goods passing through the port of Calais on the Calais-Dover route each year. That was divided by 365 days and that is how that figure was arrived at."
An article in the Guardian quotes the author of the original Dover report, saying he believes "there will indeed be losses to the UK economy, but only a small percentage of the alleged £250m daily cost."
This is why I asked where CLCC plucked that figure from.
From the BBC article who say their source was the FTA.
But let's say the figure is wrong, let's say it's only 10% of the figure quoted, that still entirely wipes out the "savings" Centaur is talking about.
And this is just 1 port. What about the costs and delays at the others? Can you see how that £8.8bn "saving" is not going to be saved at all.
Also, as usual, Centaur is only quoting the figure that the UK government pays, completely ignoring the payments the EU makes to non-government organisations such as universities as part of the science budget. "Do you still stand by your statement that the tailbacks at the port of Dover will cost more than £91bn a year? | |||
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"I was watching the sky debate yesterday and it was good, he said , you woulnt order a bad kebab and take it home, that is kind of how brexit is, whats your view? Is uk finally seeing brexit isnt a good idea , but too late? I reckon many wanted to take up eus offer months ago to rejoin." bollocks | |||
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"Regardless of how brexit turns out there will be bitterness and division that will last decades if not centuries. That is the reality of brexit." centuries realy atleast you haven’t gone overboard AGAIN then lol | |||
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"All the feedback, including from known Brexit supporting media, is that most people see it as having gone wrong and it needing final public decision upon a deal or remaining in the EU. 2 years after the old non-binding vote, people now understand far better what the 2018/9 onwards realities are. A sophisticated electorate is a good thing. " a sophisticated electorate by that do you mean very well educated then ? Fuck the working class the poor why stop there maybe just the big city’s or just the south then last thing we want is a democracy we’re every vote is equall | |||
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" On the topic of the EU membership fee, the latest official Treasury figures show the UK's annual net contribution to the EU rose from £8.1 billion to £8.8 billion last year. So what? The report from Dover council on the tailbacks at the port are going to cost more than £91bn a year. Where did you pluck that figure from? The post you quoted names the source. Read it again...
Ahh the £250m per day? Who came up with that figure?
i am probably guessing conservative led dover council in conjunction with conservative led kent county county..... since it was a joint report
scrabble.... have you read the brexit planning report by bristol city council (since you live there) it is a corker of a read.....
You're guessing? Maybe you should do some reading yourself.
The BBC article has the Freight Transport Association (FTA) as the source. Yet in a House of Commons report the FTA itself said that it was not responsible for this figure and understood it to have been arrived at by means of a somewhat crude methodology. A spokesperson for the FTA said; "There are questions as to where that originally came from. We understand that it was originally a port of Dover figure and was based on calculating a figure of £89 billion, which is the worth of UK goods passing through the port of Calais on the Calais-Dover route each year. That was divided by 365 days and that is how that figure was arrived at."
An article in the Guardian quotes the author of the original Dover report, saying he believes "there will indeed be losses to the UK economy, but only a small percentage of the alleged £250m daily cost."
This is why I asked where CLCC plucked that figure from.
From the BBC article who say their source was the FTA.
But let's say the figure is wrong, let's say it's only 10% of the figure quoted, that still entirely wipes out the "savings" Centaur is talking about.
And this is just 1 port. What about the costs and delays at the others? Can you see how that £8.8bn "saving" is not going to be saved at all.
Also, as usual, Centaur is only quoting the figure that the UK government pays, completely ignoring the payments the EU makes to non-government organisations such as universities as part of the science budget.
Do you still stand by your statement that the tailbacks at the port of Dover will cost more than £91bn a year?"That's what was reported, so that's the figure I quoted. 1/6th of the UKs goods goes through Dover, and it's likely other ports will face the same issues, as pointed out, even if the figure is wrong by a factor of more than 10, it still wipes out any savings from that single port. Add in the costs of the other ports and you can see how there won't be any "savings" at all. | |||
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"All the feedback, including from known Brexit supporting media, is that most people see it as having gone wrong and it needing final public decision upon a deal or remaining in the EU. 2 years after the old non-binding vote, people now understand far better what the 2018/9 onwards realities are. A sophisticated electorate is a good thing. " It's not going wrong now is it? The EU are caving in, as I said they would, only the other day, once Mrs Merkel put the pressure on Barnier and D*unker. | |||
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"All the feedback, including from known Brexit supporting media, is that most people see it as having gone wrong and it needing final public decision upon a deal or remaining in the EU. 2 years after the old non-binding vote, people now understand far better what the 2018/9 onwards realities are. A sophisticated electorate is a good thing. It's not going wrong now is it? The EU are caving in, as I said they would, only the other day, once Mrs Merkel put the pressure on Barnier and D*unker." Caving in on what? | |||
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"Utter drivel, the apocalyptic messages in the media, and all over the internet, are from people who never wanted BREXIT, and are still throwing their toys out of the pram. The UK will flourish outside of the EU, and most people without ulterior motives understand this and still support our exit from the EU. Indeed many are so fed up with the way this government is handling negotiations, that we are hoping for a no deal exit. The sooner the better! Well said
We did pretty well before the eu and sure we will manage fine without it.
In fact my profits have soared since the vote and looks like they will continue after we actually leave. No deal included. I work in the EU a lot and the vote hasn’t affected me in a bad way, only positive ways. The scare mongering needs to stop. An excellent post. Those who are working hard and achieving success in life and not concerned about the impact of Brexit.
It can only be positive . We will make a significant saving on our contributions and hopefully remove lots of red tape which hinders business .
The performance of the Stock Exchange is a clear indication that we have nothing to fear .
The only difference that leaving make a is that we cease paying a membership fee to the EU and simply trade in WTO terms.
The day after we leave will be no different to the day before.
Ok , just one simple question if trading only on WTO terms is better ...
Why is there only 1 Country in the world out of around 195 or so only trading under WTO rules ?
MAURITANIA is the only country in the world to trade solely under WTO rules.
For those of you not familiar with Mauritania, it’s GDP is $4,714million (0.2% of the UK’s), 50% of its exports consist of Iron Ore, and between 1% and 17% of the population still live in slavery.
It appears that this is the country that Leave.UK wish to emulate. I am afraid that this is not a vision for Britain’s future that I can share.
I must say I agree...
But the question still stands "Would still love to hear what European Express knows about only trading on WTO rules that is so good when only one other tiny nation in the whole world does so ? | |||
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"Utter drivel, the apocalyptic messages in the media, and all over the internet, are from people who never wanted BREXIT, and are still throwing their toys out of the pram. The UK will flourish outside of the EU, and most people without ulterior motives understand this and still support our exit from the EU. Indeed many are so fed up with the way this government is handling negotiations, that we are hoping for a no deal exit. The sooner the better! Well said
We did pretty well before the eu and sure we will manage fine without it.
In fact my profits have soared since the vote and looks like they will continue after we actually leave. No deal included. I work in the EU a lot and the vote hasn’t affected me in a bad way, only positive ways. The scare mongering needs to stop. An excellent post. Those who are working hard and achieving success in life and not concerned about the impact of Brexit.
It can only be positive . We will make a significant saving on our contributions and hopefully remove lots of red tape which hinders business .
The performance of the Stock Exchange is a clear indication that we have nothing to fear .
The only difference that leaving make a is that we cease paying a membership fee to the EU and simply trade in WTO terms.
The day after we leave will be no different to the day before.
Ok , just one simple question if trading only on WTO terms is better ...
Why is there only 1 Country in the world out of around 195 or so only trading under WTO rules ?
MAURITANIA is the only country in the world to trade solely under WTO rules.
For those of you not familiar with Mauritania, it’s GDP is $4,714million (0.2% of the UK’s), 50% of its exports consist of Iron Ore, and between 1% and 17% of the population still live in slavery.
It appears that this is the country that Leave.UK wish to emulate. I am afraid that this is not a vision for Britain’s future that I can share.
I must say I agree...
But the question still stands
Would still love to hear what European Express knows about only trading on WTO rules that is so good when only one other tiny nation in the whole world does so ?"I think you and other remainers are attempting to twist words or are deliberately misrepresenting what European Express had to say on this, as remainers have also done to me on here when I posted similar. No where does European Express say we will trade "solely" on WTO rules, or we will "only" trade on WTO rules. It's very clear our trade policy after Brexit globally will be a mix of WTO rules with some countries and free trade agreements with other countries, as many countries all over the world have already stated their intention to sign free trade agreements with a free independent UK after Brexit. | |||
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"Utter drivel, the apocalyptic messages in the media, and all over the internet, are from people who never wanted BREXIT, and are still throwing their toys out of the pram. The UK will flourish outside of the EU, and most people without ulterior motives understand this and still support our exit from the EU. Indeed many are so fed up with the way this government is handling negotiations, that we are hoping for a no deal exit. The sooner the better! Well said
We did pretty well before the eu and sure we will manage fine without it.
In fact my profits have soared since the vote and looks like they will continue after we actually leave. No deal included. I work in the EU a lot and the vote hasn’t affected me in a bad way, only positive ways. The scare mongering needs to stop. An excellent post. Those who are working hard and achieving success in life and not concerned about the impact of Brexit.
It can only be positive . We will make a significant saving on our contributions and hopefully remove lots of red tape which hinders business .
The performance of the Stock Exchange is a clear indication that we have nothing to fear .
The only difference that leaving make a is that we cease paying a membership fee to the EU and simply trade in WTO terms.
The day after we leave will be no different to the day before.
Ok , just one simple question if trading only on WTO terms is better ...
Why is there only 1 Country in the world out of around 195 or so only trading under WTO rules ?
MAURITANIA is the only country in the world to trade solely under WTO rules.
For those of you not familiar with Mauritania, it’s GDP is $4,714million (0.2% of the UK’s), 50% of its exports consist of Iron Ore, and between 1% and 17% of the population still live in slavery.
It appears that this is the country that Leave.UK wish to emulate. I am afraid that this is not a vision for Britain’s future that I can share.
I must say I agree...
But the question still stands
Would still love to hear what European Express knows about only trading on WTO rules that is so good when only one other tiny nation in the whole world does so ?
I think you and other remainers are attempting to twist words or are deliberately misrepresenting what European Express had to say on this, as remainers have also done to me on here when I posted similar. No where does European Express say we will trade "solely" on WTO rules, or we will "only" trade on WTO rules.
It's very clear our trade policy after Brexit globally will be a mix of WTO rules with some countries and free trade agreements with other countries, as many countries all over the world have already stated their intention to sign free trade agreements with a free independent UK after Brexit. "The day we leave we will be pulling out of how many FTAs? 50? How long will it take to even get back to that starting point? Decades. | |||
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"centuries realy atleast you haven’t gone overboard AGAIN then lol" Please name me one internecine conflict be it political or religious where the factional split has been down the middle where the bitterness has been overcome in less than a lifetime or two? I can't name one! | |||
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"Utter drivel, the apocalyptic messages in the media, and all over the internet, are from people who never wanted BREXIT, and are still throwing their toys out of the pram. The UK will flourish outside of the EU, and most people without ulterior motives understand this and still support our exit from the EU. Indeed many are so fed up with the way this government is handling negotiations, that we are hoping for a no deal exit. The sooner the better! Well said
We did pretty well before the eu and sure we will manage fine without it.
In fact my profits have soared since the vote and looks like they will continue after we actually leave. No deal included. I work in the EU a lot and the vote hasn’t affected me in a bad way, only positive ways. The scare mongering needs to stop. An excellent post. Those who are working hard and achieving success in life and not concerned about the impact of Brexit.
It can only be positive . We will make a significant saving on our contributions and hopefully remove lots of red tape which hinders business .
The performance of the Stock Exchange is a clear indication that we have nothing to fear .
The only difference that leaving make a is that we cease paying a membership fee to the EU and simply trade in WTO terms.
The day after we leave will be no different to the day before.
Ok , just one simple question if trading only on WTO terms is better ...
Why is there only 1 Country in the world out of around 195 or so only trading under WTO rules ?
MAURITANIA is the only country in the world to trade solely under WTO rules.
For those of you not familiar with Mauritania, it’s GDP is $4,714million (0.2% of the UK’s), 50% of its exports consist of Iron Ore, and between 1% and 17% of the population still live in slavery.
It appears that this is the country that Leave.UK wish to emulate. I am afraid that this is not a vision for Britain’s future that I can share.
I must say I agree...
But the question still stands
Would still love to hear what European Express knows about only trading on WTO rules that is so good when only one other tiny nation in the whole world does so ?
I think you and other remainers are attempting to twist words or are deliberately misrepresenting what European Express had to say on this, as remainers have also done to me on here when I posted similar. No where does European Express say we will trade "solely" on WTO rules, or we will "only" trade on WTO rules.
It's very clear our trade policy after Brexit globally will be a mix of WTO rules with some countries and free trade agreements with other countries, as many countries all over the world have already stated their intention to sign free trade agreements with a free independent UK after Brexit. "You have difficulty reading.... " The only difference that leaving make a is that we cease paying a membership fee to the EU and simply trade in WTO terms. " There, in black & white Centy. | |||
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"Utter drivel, the apocalyptic messages in the media, and all over the internet, are from people who never wanted BREXIT, and are still throwing their toys out of the pram. The UK will flourish outside of the EU, and most people without ulterior motives understand this and still support our exit from the EU. Indeed many are so fed up with the way this government is handling negotiations, that we are hoping for a no deal exit. The sooner the better! Well said
We did pretty well before the eu and sure we will manage fine without it.
In fact my profits have soared since the vote and looks like they will continue after we actually leave. No deal included. I work in the EU a lot and the vote hasn’t affected me in a bad way, only positive ways. The scare mongering needs to stop. An excellent post. Those who are working hard and achieving success in life and not concerned about the impact of Brexit.
It can only be positive . We will make a significant saving on our contributions and hopefully remove lots of red tape which hinders business .
The performance of the Stock Exchange is a clear indication that we have nothing to fear .
The only difference that leaving make a is that we cease paying a membership fee to the EU and simply trade in WTO terms.
The day after we leave will be no different to the day before.
Ok , just one simple question if trading only on WTO terms is better ...
Why is there only 1 Country in the world out of around 195 or so only trading under WTO rules ?
MAURITANIA is the only country in the world to trade solely under WTO rules.
For those of you not familiar with Mauritania, it’s GDP is $4,714million (0.2% of the UK’s), 50% of its exports consist of Iron Ore, and between 1% and 17% of the population still live in slavery.
It appears that this is the country that Leave.UK wish to emulate. I am afraid that this is not a vision for Britain’s future that I can share.
I must say I agree...
But the question still stands
Would still love to hear what European Express knows about only trading on WTO rules that is so good when only one other tiny nation in the whole world does so ?
I think you and other remainers are attempting to twist words or are deliberately misrepresenting what European Express had to say on this, as remainers have also done to me on here when I posted similar. No where does European Express say we will trade "solely" on WTO rules, or we will "only" trade on WTO rules.
It's very clear our trade policy after Brexit globally will be a mix of WTO rules with some countries and free trade agreements with other countries, as many countries all over the world have already stated their intention to sign free trade agreements with a free independent UK after Brexit.
You have difficulty reading....
The only difference that leaving make a is that we cease paying a membership fee to the EU and simply trade in WTO terms.
There, in black & white Centy."It's you who has difficulty reading. The sentence you quoted is a clear reference to the EU, NOT the whole world. It's clear if we leave with no deal we will trade on WTO rules with the EU. Many countries from the rest of the world want to do free trade deals with us and have stated their intention to sign those deals. | |||
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"Utter drivel, the apocalyptic messages in the media, and all over the internet, are from people who never wanted BREXIT, and are still throwing their toys out of the pram. The UK will flourish outside of the EU, and most people without ulterior motives understand this and still support our exit from the EU. Indeed many are so fed up with the way this government is handling negotiations, that we are hoping for a no deal exit. The sooner the better! Well said
We did pretty well before the eu and sure we will manage fine without it.
In fact my profits have soared since the vote and looks like they will continue after we actually leave. No deal included. I work in the EU a lot and the vote hasn’t affected me in a bad way, only positive ways. The scare mongering needs to stop. An excellent post. Those who are working hard and achieving success in life and not concerned about the impact of Brexit.
It can only be positive . We will make a significant saving on our contributions and hopefully remove lots of red tape which hinders business .
The performance of the Stock Exchange is a clear indication that we have nothing to fear .
The only difference that leaving make a is that we cease paying a membership fee to the EU and simply trade in WTO terms.
The day after we leave will be no different to the day before.
Ok , just one simple question if trading only on WTO terms is better ...
Why is there only 1 Country in the world out of around 195 or so only trading under WTO rules ?
MAURITANIA is the only country in the world to trade solely under WTO rules.
For those of you not familiar with Mauritania, it’s GDP is $4,714million (0.2% of the UK’s), 50% of its exports consist of Iron Ore, and between 1% and 17% of the population still live in slavery.
It appears that this is the country that Leave.UK wish to emulate. I am afraid that this is not a vision for Britain’s future that I can share.
I must say I agree...
But the question still stands
Would still love to hear what European Express knows about only trading on WTO rules that is so good when only one other tiny nation in the whole world does so ?
I think you and other remainers are attempting to twist words or are deliberately misrepresenting what European Express had to say on this, as remainers have also done to me on here when I posted similar. No where does European Express say we will trade "solely" on WTO rules, or we will "only" trade on WTO rules.
It's very clear our trade policy after Brexit globally will be a mix of WTO rules with some countries and free trade agreements with other countries, as many countries all over the world have already stated their intention to sign free trade agreements with a free independent UK after Brexit.
You have difficulty reading....
The only difference that leaving make a is that we cease paying a membership fee to the EU and simply trade in WTO terms.
There, in black & white Centy.
It's you who has difficulty reading. The sentence you quoted is a clear reference to the EU, NOT the whole world. It's clear if we leave with no deal we will trade on WTO rules with the EU. Many countries from the rest of the world want to do free trade deals with us and have stated their intention to sign those deals. "And How many years will it take to get as many trade deals as we currently have? Don't think people haven't noticed your inability to answer questions you don't like the answer to. | |||
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"Utter drivel, the apocalyptic messages in the media, and all over the internet, are from people who never wanted BREXIT, and are still throwing their toys out of the pram. The UK will flourish outside of the EU, and most people without ulterior motives understand this and still support our exit from the EU. Indeed many are so fed up with the way this government is handling negotiations, that we are hoping for a no deal exit. The sooner the better! Well said
We did pretty well before the eu and sure we will manage fine without it.
In fact my profits have soared since the vote and looks like they will continue after we actually leave. No deal included. I work in the EU a lot and the vote hasn’t affected me in a bad way, only positive ways. The scare mongering needs to stop. An excellent post. Those who are working hard and achieving success in life and not concerned about the impact of Brexit.
It can only be positive . We will make a significant saving on our contributions and hopefully remove lots of red tape which hinders business .
The performance of the Stock Exchange is a clear indication that we have nothing to fear .
The only difference that leaving make a is that we cease paying a membership fee to the EU and simply trade in WTO terms.
The day after we leave will be no different to the day before.
Ok , just one simple question if trading only on WTO terms is better ...
Why is there only 1 Country in the world out of around 195 or so only trading under WTO rules ?
MAURITANIA is the only country in the world to trade solely under WTO rules.
For those of you not familiar with Mauritania, it’s GDP is $4,714million (0.2% of the UK’s), 50% of its exports consist of Iron Ore, and between 1% and 17% of the population still live in slavery.
It appears that this is the country that Leave.UK wish to emulate. I am afraid that this is not a vision for Britain’s future that I can share.
I must say I agree...
But the question still stands
Would still love to hear what European Express knows about only trading on WTO rules that is so good when only one other tiny nation in the whole world does so ?
I think you and other remainers are attempting to twist words or are deliberately misrepresenting what European Express had to say on this, as remainers have also done to me on here when I posted similar. No where does European Express say we will trade "solely" on WTO rules, or we will "only" trade on WTO rules.
It's very clear our trade policy after Brexit globally will be a mix of WTO rules with some countries and free trade agreements with other countries, as many countries all over the world have already stated their intention to sign free trade agreements with a free independent UK after Brexit.
You have difficulty reading....
The only difference that leaving make a is that we cease paying a membership fee to the EU and simply trade in WTO terms.
There, in black & white Centy.
It's you who has difficulty reading. The sentence you quoted is a clear reference to the EU, NOT the whole world. It's clear if we leave with no deal we will trade on WTO rules with the EU. Many countries from the rest of the world want to do free trade deals with us and have stated their intention to sign those deals. "Yes, and as we don’t have a WTO trade schedule, I believe those rules that we will be trading by will be pretty shit. -Matt | |||
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"Utter drivel, the apocalyptic messages in the media, and all over the internet, are from people who never wanted BREXIT, and are still throwing their toys out of the pram. The UK will flourish outside of the EU, and most people without ulterior motives understand this and still support our exit from the EU. Indeed many are so fed up with the way this government is handling negotiations, that we are hoping for a no deal exit. The sooner the better! Well said
We did pretty well before the eu and sure we will manage fine without it.
In fact my profits have soared since the vote and looks like they will continue after we actually leave. No deal included. I work in the EU a lot and the vote hasn’t affected me in a bad way, only positive ways. The scare mongering needs to stop. An excellent post. Those who are working hard and achieving success in life and not concerned about the impact of Brexit.
It can only be positive . We will make a significant saving on our contributions and hopefully remove lots of red tape which hinders business .
The performance of the Stock Exchange is a clear indication that we have nothing to fear .
The only difference that leaving make a is that we cease paying a membership fee to the EU and simply trade in WTO terms.
The day after we leave will be no different to the day before.
Ok , just one simple question if trading only on WTO terms is better ...
Why is there only 1 Country in the world out of around 195 or so only trading under WTO rules ?
MAURITANIA is the only country in the world to trade solely under WTO rules.
For those of you not familiar with Mauritania, it’s GDP is $4,714million (0.2% of the UK’s), 50% of its exports consist of Iron Ore, and between 1% and 17% of the population still live in slavery.
It appears that this is the country that Leave.UK wish to emulate. I am afraid that this is not a vision for Britain’s future that I can share.
I must say I agree...
But the question still stands
Would still love to hear what European Express knows about only trading on WTO rules that is so good when only one other tiny nation in the whole world does so ?
I think you and other remainers are attempting to twist words or are deliberately misrepresenting what European Express had to say on this, as remainers have also done to me on here when I posted similar. No where does European Express say we will trade "solely" on WTO rules, or we will "only" trade on WTO rules.
It's very clear our trade policy after Brexit globally will be a mix of WTO rules with some countries and free trade agreements with other countries, as many countries all over the world have already stated their intention to sign free trade agreements with a free independent UK after Brexit.
You have difficulty reading....
The only difference that leaving make a is that we cease paying a membership fee to the EU and simply trade in WTO terms.
There, in black & white Centy.
It's you who has difficulty reading. The sentence you quoted is a clear reference to the EU, NOT the whole world. It's clear if we leave with no deal we will trade on WTO rules with the EU. Many countries from the rest of the world want to do free trade deals with us and have stated their intention to sign those deals.
And How many years will it take to get as many trade deals as we currently have?
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"Worst case assessment by Bank of England in the event of UK defaulting to WTO terms: - Commercial and residential property prices going down by more than a third - interest rates soaring - unemployment increasing to 9% - the economy contracting by 4% The UK opted to compete with its neighbours instead of co-operating with them. The competition will look at that sort of assessment and conclude "no deal" will give them a competitive advantage over the UK. " First time buyers who are struggling to get on the property ladder would welcome the drop in house prices. Not everyone sees these things as a negative. | |||
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"Worst case assessment by Bank of England in the event of UK defaulting to WTO terms: - Commercial and residential property prices going down by more than a third - interest rates soaring - unemployment increasing to 9% - the economy contracting by 4% The UK opted to compete with its neighbours instead of co-operating with them. The competition will look at that sort of assessment and conclude "no deal" will give them a competitive advantage over the UK. First time buyers who are struggling to get on the property ladder would welcome the drop in house prices. Not everyone sees these things as a negative. " It depends whats driving the price falls. If it’s affordability from higher interest rates they may be in broadly the same position. If it’s lower demand due to less immigrants then yes. As ever it’s too intertwined to say winner or loser. | |||
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"Worst case assessment by Bank of England in the event of UK defaulting to WTO terms: - Commercial and residential property prices going down by more than a third - interest rates soaring - unemployment increasing to 9% - the economy contracting by 4% The UK opted to compete with its neighbours instead of co-operating with them. The competition will look at that sort of assessment and conclude "no deal" will give them a competitive advantage over the UK. First time buyers who are struggling to get on the property ladder would welcome the drop in house prices. Not everyone sees these things as a negative. " Taking this commen in isolation, I would say that stable house prices are better for first time buyers. No one wants to buy a house that will be worth 20% less in a few years time | |||
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"First time buyers who are struggling to get on the property ladder would welcome the drop in house prices. Not everyone sees these things as a negative. " Again we agree. But this time for different reasons. True those looking to get a food on the housing ladder will view a 33% drop in house prices as good, unfortunately the rise in interest rates will cancel out any benefit accrued by the drop in prices. But don't worry the banks will do very well out of it, just as they did the last time millions of homeowners found themselves in the negative equity trap in a shrinking economy. | |||
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"Worst case assessment by Bank of England in the event of UK defaulting to WTO terms: - Commercial and residential property prices going down by more than a third - interest rates soaring - unemployment increasing to 9% - the economy contracting by 4% The UK opted to compete with its neighbours instead of co-operating with them. The competition will look at that sort of assessment and conclude "no deal" will give them a competitive advantage over the UK. First time buyers who are struggling to get on the property ladder would welcome the drop in house prices. Not everyone sees these things as a negative. " cool.... trade off first time buyer for those millions of people it would leave in both negative equity positions... plus rising mortgage rates and payments... how magnanimous of you...... | |||
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"This is all bollocks house prices always go up in time and interest rates have been so low for yrs we will be blaming the bastard weather in brexit next " if there is a 30% drop, in time will be decades for those who bought at the top .... | |||
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"Stop people buying 2nd homes because that’s what has fuelled a lot of the price rises, one home is enough ffs" Looking at London in particular a lot of the property there has been bought up by very wealthy foreign investors. The millionaires who are buying these properties have no intention of living there they're just looking to make a quick buck and this has also contributed to the housing shortage in London where people who genuinely want a home to live in can't get one. When demand outstrips supply prices rise and it's these wealthy foreign buyers who have contributed to the prices rises there. I have little sympathy if they now lose money on their investments, same goes for rip off landlords who go around buying up lots of property and charging extortionate rents. | |||
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"Stop people buying 2nd homes because that’s what has fuelled a lot of the price rises, one home is enough ffs Looking at London in particular a lot of the property there has been bought up by very wealthy foreign investors. The millionaires who are buying these properties have no intention of living there they're just looking to make a quick buck and this has also contributed to the housing shortage in London where people who genuinely want a home to live in can't get one. When demand outstrips supply prices rise and it's these wealthy foreign buyers who have contributed to the prices rises there. I have little sympathy if they now lose money on their investments, same goes for rip off landlords who go around buying up lots of property and charging extortionate rents. " you keep talking about the people at the top , the investors and those in london..... let me tell you about the people at the bottom.... before the uk interest rate rise rose from 0.5% to 0.75% on thursday, the last time the rate was above 0.5% was march 2009.... 9 1/2yrs ago that means there are going to be millions of people who will have taken out mortgage at a historically low rate.... and when the interest rates rise, the mortgage rate will follow.... and those people will be first time buyers, and those will be from people all over the country, who will have been struggling enough under austerity, that increased payments are going to put under financial strain, and will leave people from all over the country in neagtive equity.... so doen't concentrate on the rich... they won't be the ones struggling, as always it will be the poorer that will take this financial kick in the teeth the hardest.... i know you like to justify everything because "it doesn't effect you"..... well hope about for once your life showing a bit of empathy for those it will effect | |||
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"Stop people buying 2nd homes because that’s what has fuelled a lot of the price rises, one home is enough ffs Looking at London in particular a lot of the property there has been bought up by very wealthy foreign investors. The millionaires who are buying these properties have no intention of living there they're just looking to make a quick buck and this has also contributed to the housing shortage in London where people who genuinely want a home to live in can't get one. When demand outstrips supply prices rise and it's these wealthy foreign buyers who have contributed to the prices rises there. I have little sympathy if they now lose money on their investments, same goes for rip off landlords who go around buying up lots of property and charging extortionate rents. you keep talking about the people at the top , the investors and those in london..... let me tell you about the people at the bottom.... before the uk interest rate rise rose from 0.5% to 0.75% on thursday, the last time the rate was above 0.5% was march 2009.... 9 1/2yrs ago that means there are going to be millions of people who will have taken out mortgage at a historically low rate.... and when the interest rates rise, the mortgage rate will follow.... and those people will be first time buyers, and those will be from people all over the country, who will have been struggling enough under austerity, that increased payments are going to put under financial strain, and will leave people from all over the country in neagtive equity.... so doen't concentrate on the rich... they won't be the ones struggling, as always it will be the poorer that will take this financial kick in the teeth the hardest.... i know you like to justify everything because "it doesn't effect you"..... well hope about for once your life showing a bit of empathy for those it will effect" Ha, you youngsters! Rates had peaked at 17% in 1979, fluctuating through the 80s, often going up a whole 1% in a week, before peaking at just shy of 15% in 1989. Of course, the price of the average house in 1979 was around £25k. | |||
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" Ha, you youngsters! Rates had peaked at 17% in 1979, fluctuating through the 80s, often going up a whole 1% in a week, before peaking at just shy of 15% in 1989. Of course, the price of the average house in 1979 was around £25k." i know.... i'm lucky where when i started off with my mortgage the interest rate was around 5%.... and when i finished it was at 0.5% (reason why i finished off quicker was that in the end i basically started overpaying to take advantage of the lower rate) some people like to justify everything because "it doesn't effect them"..... | |||
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" Ha, you youngsters! Rates had peaked at 17% in 1979, fluctuating through the 80s, often going up a whole 1% in a week, before peaking at just shy of 15% in 1989. Of course, the price of the average house in 1979 was around £25k. i know.... i'm lucky where when i started off with my mortgage the interest rate was around 5%.... and when i finished it was at 0.5% (reason why i finished off quicker was that in the end i basically started overpaying to take advantage of the lower rate) some people like to justify everything because "it doesn't effect them"....." The problem with the housing market is it's a conundrum that can never really be solved. I view a house as somewhere to live, others view it in pounds, shillings and pence. For every first time buyer, there is someone moaning that the value of their property has fallen. How do you really balance that particular see-saw? | |||
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"I wouldn't trust a sky debate or poll to judge the mood on this subject... found them too bias to remain in the EU for my liking .. hence i look at reuters more often than not for a more neutral read. I know a lot of remainers and leavers and none have seem to changed their minds on the way the way they voted. Saying that they are disapointed in the way its being played out. Sky? Biased towards remain?! Hahahahahahahahaahhaah! Oh you are funny. Hint: who owns Sky? The Times? The Sun? -Matt" When Murdoch got wind of the result, he threw a temper and stormed out. I think he very much wanted in. | |||
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" Ha, you youngsters! Rates had peaked at 17% in 1979, fluctuating through the 80s, often going up a whole 1% in a week, before peaking at just shy of 15% in 1989. Of course, the price of the average house in 1979 was around £25k. i know.... i'm lucky where when i started off with my mortgage the interest rate was around 5%.... and when i finished it was at 0.5% (reason why i finished off quicker was that in the end i basically started overpaying to take advantage of the lower rate) some people like to justify everything because "it doesn't effect them"..... The problem with the housing market is it's a conundrum that can never really be solved. I view a house as somewhere to live, others view it in pounds, shillings and pence. For every first time buyer, there is someone moaning that the value of their property has fallen. How do you really balance that particular see-saw? " You can easily solve the housing problems! Quite simply the government fund councils so they can build good old fashioned council houses. Private developers build houses for private ownership, instead of being forced to provide a % of "affordable housing ". Let's face it some people just don't earn enough to be able to buy, so good quality council houses keep people happy. The Thatcher policy of selling council houses cheap back fired. The philosophy of "let's privatise" it doesn't always work. When Matron ran her ward there was no MRSA and if we need 250,000 homes per year we should build them! | |||
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"I'd never ever change my mind .what I resent are the remoaners who at times are quite infantile and can't accept the fact they LOST .and yes you did lose .learn to deal with defeat .are,you like that when you lose at chess or even solitaire . it does make you wonder " This so much. I have never ever seen anything like it in my life. Already the dismantling of the NHS is imminent and I expect this to be blamed fully on brexit, as though its not possible for the UK to function or survive being controlled by other than the people in tower of babel. | |||
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"I was watching the sky debate yesterday and it was good, he said , you woulnt order a bad kebab and take it home, that is kind of how brexit is, whats your view? Is uk finally seeing brexit isnt a good idea , but too late? I reckon many wanted to take up eus offer months ago to rejoin." That's OK I don't think we've ordered a bad kebab, though we may endure a few short term disadvantages which won't be the end of the world. The alternative, might however. Reading the comments, I would be more impressed by someone standing by leave (EU control) even though it disadvantages them in the short term. Its not too difficult if it benefits you?  | |||
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"I'd never ever change my mind .what I resent are the remoaners who at times are quite infantile and can't accept the fact they LOST .and yes you did lose .learn to deal with defeat .are,you like that when you lose at chess or even solitaire . it does make you wonder This so much. I have never ever seen anything like it in my life. Already the dismantling of the NHS is imminent and I expect this to be blamed fully on brexit, as though its not possible for the UK to function or survive being controlled by other than the people in tower of babel." i think people have the tories well and truely lined up to be the demise of the NHS. My guess is any fall in doctors in execess of fall in patients will be blamed on brexit. | |||
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"The problem with the housing market is it's a conundrum that can never really be solved. I view a house as somewhere to live, others view it in pounds, shillings and pence. For every first time buyer, there is someone moaning that the value of their property has fallen. How do you really balance that particular see-saw? " There are actually a couple of things that could be done, although neither is without pitfalls. We could start building council houses again. This actually probably would have been the ideal solution to the recession caused by the GFC, as it would have created jobs, increased capital flows to suppliers and gone some way towards bursting the ridiculous housing bubble. We used to build ~350k council houses a year, now the only social housing being built is housing association, which amounts to around 25k a year. We currently have - and have had since the late 70s, according to numerous reports commissioned by the government - a housing deficit of around 100k-200k houses per year. Not only that, but houses being sold under the Right to Buy scheme are not being replaced as they should be - and this is the first pitfall - any houses that got built would no doubt be sold off by whichever government of the day was in. This of course to try and fiddle their figures and make themselves look good, or as a shameless bribe as we saw in the 80s when a generation of working class Tories were created under the auspices of 'aspiration' which would more accurately be termed 'fucking the future generations and the housing market in general'. The second pitfall is that mortgages are the biggest assets of all of the major banks, and if the housing bubble burst and houses actually came down to a reasonable value that wasn't vastly over-inflated, it would basically buttfuck the banks - again - and the taxpayer would have to bail them out - again - so we'd be fucked every which way. So perhaps the other option would be to implement a Land Value Tax, which cannot be avoided, dodged or whatever. The pitfall being it is totally radical and would shake the system to its core...so never gonna happen | |||
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"I'd never ever change my mind .what I resent are the remoaners who at times are quite infantile and can't accept the fact they LOST .and yes you did lose .learn to deal with defeat .are,you like that when you lose at chess or even solitaire . it does make you wonder " You'd *never* change your mind, even if there was incontrovertible evidence that proved you were wrong? This is exactly the sort of ideological identity politics that inhibits rational debate in this country, it really is a shame... As for dealing with defeat and not being sore losers...you mean like the eurosceptics did after the referendum in 1975... | |||
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"The problem with the housing market is it's a conundrum that can never really be solved. I view a house as somewhere to live, others view it in pounds, shillings and pence. For every first time buyer, there is someone moaning that the value of their property has fallen. How do you really balance that particular see-saw? There are actually a couple of things that could be done, although neither is without pitfalls. We could start building council houses again. This actually probably would have been the ideal solution to the recession caused by the GFC, as it would have created jobs, increased capital flows to suppliers and gone some way towards bursting the ridiculous housing bubble. We used to build ~350k council houses a year, now the only social housing being built is housing association, which amounts to around 25k a year. We currently have - and have had since the late 70s, according to numerous reports commissioned by the government - a housing deficit of around 100k-200k houses per year. Not only that, but houses being sold under the Right to Buy scheme are not being replaced as they should be - and this is the first pitfall - any houses that got built would no doubt be sold off by whichever government of the day was in. This of course to try and fiddle their figures and make themselves look good, or as a shameless bribe as we saw in the 80s when a generation of working class Tories were created under the auspices of 'aspiration' which would more accurately be termed 'fucking the future generations and the housing market in general'. The second pitfall is that mortgages are the biggest assets of all of the major banks, and if the housing bubble burst and houses actually came down to a reasonable value that wasn't vastly over-inflated, it would basically buttfuck the banks - again - and the taxpayer would have to bail them out - again - so we'd be fucked every which way. So perhaps the other option would be to implement a Land Value Tax, which cannot be avoided, dodged or whatever. The pitfall being it is totally radical and would shake the system to its core...so never gonna happen" Because a land value tax is called communism | |||
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"The problem with the housing market is it's a conundrum that can never really be solved. I view a house as somewhere to live, others view it in pounds, shillings and pence. For every first time buyer, there is someone moaning that the value of their property has fallen. How do you really balance that particular see-saw? There are actually a couple of things that could be done, although neither is without pitfalls. We could start building council houses again. This actually probably would have been the ideal solution to the recession caused by the GFC, as it would have created jobs, increased capital flows to suppliers and gone some way towards bursting the ridiculous housing bubble. We used to build ~350k council houses a year, now the only social housing being built is housing association, which amounts to around 25k a year. We currently have - and have had since the late 70s, according to numerous reports commissioned by the government - a housing deficit of around 100k-200k houses per year. Not only that, but houses being sold under the Right to Buy scheme are not being replaced as they should be - and this is the first pitfall - any houses that got built would no doubt be sold off by whichever government of the day was in. This of course to try and fiddle their figures and make themselves look good, or as a shameless bribe as we saw in the 80s when a generation of working class Tories were created under the auspices of 'aspiration' which would more accurately be termed 'fucking the future generations and the housing market in general'. The second pitfall is that mortgages are the biggest assets of all of the major banks, and if the housing bubble burst and houses actually came down to a reasonable value that wasn't vastly over-inflated, it would basically buttfuck the banks - again - and the taxpayer would have to bail them out - again - so we'd be fucked every which way. So perhaps the other option would be to implement a Land Value Tax, which cannot be avoided, dodged or whatever. The pitfall being it is totally radical and would shake the system to its core...so never gonna happen Because a land value tax is called communism" Which is why those known rabid communists Adam Smith and David Ricardo both supported it, and that far-leftist Milton Friedman called it "the least bad tax"
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"And who would pay more under the land value tax? Let me guess! Those of us in large houses, in expensive areas, with large gardens. Just like we have to pay Band H council tax at £3,131.11 for less services than those in Band A, who pay £869.75?" I see you have absolutely no answer to that. Do you even know who Adam Smith, David Ricardo and Milton Friedman are? More to the point - Do you even know what communism is? Because it certainly doesn't seem like it... I'll give you a clue: it's not paying higher council tax because you live in a bigger house | |||
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"And who would pay more under the land value tax? Let me guess! Those of us in large houses, in expensive areas, with large gardens. Just like we have to pay Band H council tax at £3,131.11 for less services than those in Band A, who pay £869.75? I see you have absolutely no answer to that. Do you even know who Adam Smith, David Ricardo and Milton Friedman are? More to the point - Do you even know what communism is? Because it certainly doesn't seem like it... I'll give you a clue: it's not paying higher council tax because you live in a bigger house "No that goes by the name of Labour's 'mansion tax' doesn't it. | |||
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"And who would pay more under the land value tax? Let me guess! Those of us in large houses, in expensive areas, with large gardens. Just like we have to pay Band H council tax at £3,131.11 for less services than those in Band A, who pay £869.75? I see you have absolutely no answer to that. Do you even know who Adam Smith, David Ricardo and Milton Friedman are? More to the point - Do you even know what communism is? Because it certainly doesn't seem like it... I'll give you a clue: it's not paying higher council tax because you live in a bigger house
No that goes by the name of Labour's 'mansion tax' doesn't it. "It's the same thing. Mansion tax. Land value tax. It all amounts to - the more it's worth, the more you pay, irrespective of what you use. That's a managed economy - communism. A free market economy says - you pay the market price for what you use. No subsidies. No price controls. No price caps. And the problem is that they always take from those that have, and they never spend it on things that they would spend it on. That is what is annoying. In Leeds, 63% of the Council tax budget is spent on Adult Social Care and Children's Services. And those 2 things were used not at all by me. | |||
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"So let me guess. You're at the bottom of the ladder and you're quite happy to see others pay more than you? And I have an A level from many years ago in Economics, unlike you. And I've been to far more communist countries than you, and I understand it inside out. And let me tell you that wealth redistribution taxes as they like to call them. AKA taking from the rich and giving to the poor is hardly a free market economy and it's to make everyone equal ideally and that's communism. Except that in practice, "some animals are more equal than others" in communism, as Mr Orwell noted in the 1940s. " Ha, oh Jesus, that's fucking laughable. Firstly - you don't know the first thing about me. For all you know, I could have a Masters in Economics that pisses all over your A-level. I could have studied under Milton Friedman himself in the Chicago School. Or not, I could have simply read up about it because I'm interested. You don't know - just as I don't know the first thing about you...other than what you've put down here. But frankly - that's enough to draw some pretty solid conclusions with a high degree of confidence, such as: you should have listened in school more, as it clearly went sailing over your head. Good work on doubling down on the intellectual arrogance though - you've been to far more communist countries than me have you? How do you know that? You have no idea where I've been. How do you know I wasn't *born* in a communist country, eh? Given my ethnic background, it's a distinct possibility. You also know nothing about my housing or financial situation; I could be in rental, I could be a landlord, I might be on the breadline or have enough stashed away to put down a deposit on a 2nd or 3rd house. You know nothing. Although, it seems you may have absorbed one thing through that precious A-level of yours, which is the economist's predilection for making assumptions without have any corroborative evidence... I can tell you one thing for certainty though - if you think the Land Value Tax is communism, then you don't understand what the Land Value Tax or communism actually are... And to cap it all off, you start bleating about free market economics...when you seemingly don't even know who Milton Friedman is. This is fucking hilarious, fill yer boots son, you're making me look positively genius-level over here, and I'm pretty average intelligence at the best of times. So - want to know why Milton Friedman (y'know, that guy - inspired Reagan and Thatcher's visions and dreams of employing the principles of the free market) called Land Value Tax "the least bad tax" - because in his eyes it was the only tax that didn't inhibit entrepreneurial instincts. He saw income and corporation tax as a tax on productive output, that essentially punished people and organisations for creating value and growing the economy. The Land Value Tax is placed on the unearned value of the land. These ridiculous situations where houses in London triple in value in a short space of time, through nothing other than the virtue of where they are located are the exact scenario it aims to tackle. If someone buys a house, and it rockets in value without them doing anything to it - that is unearnt value. They haven't contributed to that increase in any way - they've not invested money to make improvements and stimulated the economy through employing builders or bought materials, nor have they created any jobs. It's value that does not actual add anything to the economy at large. Indeed, it actual inhibits growth, because as these prices soar ridiculously, people have less expendable income due to higher mortgages payments, rent etc. You clearly haven't got the first clue what the Land Value Tax actually is, I'd read up on it first before wading in with such strident views, cos you've had a mare here. Good effort though! | |||
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"So let me guess. You're at the bottom of the ladder and you're quite happy to see others pay more than you? And I have an A level from many years ago in Economics, unlike you. And I've been to far more communist countries than you, and I understand it inside out. And let me tell you that wealth redistribution taxes as they like to call them. AKA taking from the rich and giving to the poor is hardly a free market economy and it's to make everyone equal ideally and that's communism. Except that in practice, "some animals are more equal than others" in communism, as Mr Orwell noted in the 1940s. Ha, oh Jesus, that's fucking laughable. Firstly - you don't know the first thing about me. For all you know, I could have a Masters in Economics that pisses all over your A-level. I could have studied under Milton Friedman himself in the Chicago School. Or not, I could have simply read up about it because I'm interested. You don't know - just as I don't know the first thing about you...other than what you've put down here. But frankly - that's enough to draw some pretty solid conclusions with a high degree of confidence, such as: you should have listened in school more, as it clearly went sailing over your head. Good work on doubling down on the intellectual arrogance though - you've been to far more communist countries than me have you? How do you know that? You have no idea where I've been. How do you know I wasn't *born* in a communist country, eh? Given my ethnic background, it's a distinct possibility. You also know nothing about my housing or financial situation; I could be in rental, I could be a landlord, I might be on the breadline or have enough stashed away to put down a deposit on a 2nd or 3rd house. You know nothing. Although, it seems you may have absorbed one thing through that precious A-level of yours, which is the economist's predilection for making assumptions without have any corroborative evidence... I can tell you one thing for certainty though - if you think the Land Value Tax is communism, then you don't understand what the Land Value Tax or communism actually are... And to cap it all off, you start bleating about free market economics...when you seemingly don't even know who Milton Friedman is. This is fucking hilarious, fill yer boots son, you're making me look positively genius-level over here, and I'm pretty average intelligence at the best of times. So - want to know why Milton Friedman (y'know, that guy - inspired Reagan and Thatcher's visions and dreams of employing the principles of the free market) called Land Value Tax "the least bad tax" - because in his eyes it was the only tax that didn't inhibit entrepreneurial instincts. He saw income and corporation tax as a tax on productive output, that essentially punished people and organisations for creating value and growing the economy. The Land Value Tax is placed on the unearned value of the land. These ridiculous situations where houses in London triple in value in a short space of time, through nothing other than the virtue of where they are located are the exact scenario it aims to tackle. If someone buys a house, and it rockets in value without them doing anything to it - that is unearnt value. They haven't contributed to that increase in any way - they've not invested money to make improvements and stimulated the economy through employing builders or bought materials, nor have they created any jobs. It's value that does not actual add anything to the economy at large. Indeed, it actual inhibits growth, because as these prices soar ridiculously, people have less expendable income due to higher mortgages payments, rent etc. You clearly haven't got the first clue what the Land Value Tax actually is, I'd read up on it first before wading in with such strident views, cos you've had a mare here. Good effort though!" Ohh, Leeds Andy does think he knows everything about other forum members, and everything's always better or more money than us poor uneducated fuckers could hope to afford compared to him | |||
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"So let me guess. You're at the bottom of the ladder and you're quite happy to see others pay more than you? And I have an A level from many years ago in Economics, unlike you. And I've been to far more communist countries than you, and I understand it inside out. And let me tell you that wealth redistribution taxes as they like to call them. AKA taking from the rich and giving to the poor is hardly a free market economy and it's to make everyone equal ideally and that's communism. Except that in practice, "some animals are more equal than others" in communism, as Mr Orwell noted in the 1940s. Ha, oh Jesus, that's fucking laughable. Firstly - you don't know the first thing about me. For all you know, I could have a Masters in Economics that pisses all over your A-level. I could have studied under Milton Friedman himself in the Chicago School. Or not, I could have simply read up about it because I'm interested. You don't know - just as I don't know the first thing about you...other than what you've put down here. But frankly - that's enough to draw some pretty solid conclusions with a high degree of confidence, such as: you should have listened in school more, as it clearly went sailing over your head. Good work on doubling down on the intellectual arrogance though - you've been to far more communist countries than me have you? How do you know that? You have no idea where I've been. How do you know I wasn't *born* in a communist country, eh? Given my ethnic background, it's a distinct possibility. You also know nothing about my housing or financial situation; I could be in rental, I could be a landlord, I might be on the breadline or have enough stashed away to put down a deposit on a 2nd or 3rd house. You know nothing. Although, it seems you may have absorbed one thing through that precious A-level of yours, which is the economist's predilection for making assumptions without have any corroborative evidence... I can tell you one thing for certainty though - if you think the Land Value Tax is communism, then you don't understand what the Land Value Tax or communism actually are... And to cap it all off, you start bleating about free market economics...when you seemingly don't even know who Milton Friedman is. This is fucking hilarious, fill yer boots son, you're making me look positively genius-level over here, and I'm pretty average intelligence at the best of times. So - want to know why Milton Friedman (y'know, that guy - inspired Reagan and Thatcher's visions and dreams of employing the principles of the free market) called Land Value Tax "the least bad tax" - because in his eyes it was the only tax that didn't inhibit entrepreneurial instincts. He saw income and corporation tax as a tax on productive output, that essentially punished people and organisations for creating value and growing the economy. The Land Value Tax is placed on the unearned value of the land. These ridiculous situations where houses in London triple in value in a short space of time, through nothing other than the virtue of where they are located are the exact scenario it aims to tackle. If someone buys a house, and it rockets in value without them doing anything to it - that is unearnt value. They haven't contributed to that increase in any way - they've not invested money to make improvements and stimulated the economy through employing builders or bought materials, nor have they created any jobs. It's value that does not actual add anything to the economy at large. Indeed, it actual inhibits growth, because as these prices soar ridiculously, people have less expendable income due to higher mortgages payments, rent etc. You clearly haven't got the first clue what the Land Value Tax actually is, I'd read up on it first before wading in with such strident views, cos you've had a mare here. Good effort though! Ohh, Leeds Andy does think he knows everything about other forum members, and everything's always better or more money than us poor uneducated fuckers could hope to afford compared to him "Centaur thinks that LeedsAndy is too pour to afford wine from outside the EU, so he can't be that rich! | |||
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"Poor, not pour! And wine from within the EU, and specifically France is the most expensive wine in the world!" Indeed, typo or autocorrect on my account, apologies to all forum users. I don't enjoy the Samsung keyboard as much as my old LG unfortunately, but it is a far superior phone in many respects. Maybe you need to have a chat with centy over which wines you drink, as he seems to be confused. | |||
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"Poor, not pour! And wine from within the EU, and specifically France is the most expensive wine in the world! Indeed, typo or autocorrect on my account, apologies to all forum users. I don't enjoy the Samsung keyboard as much as my old LG unfortunately, but it is a far superior phone in many respects. Maybe you need to have a chat with centy over which wines you drink, as he seems to be confused. " I made a comment on the other thread about wines from outside of the EU being more expensive because of the EU's external tariff barrier. They could be much cheaper than EU wines if the EU's external tariff barrier is removed. It is EU protectionism at work. I never made any comment about Andy being pour/poor or rich, you just made that up, as you always seem to just make stuff up when your nose is put out of joint. | |||
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"Poor, not pour! And wine from within the EU, and specifically France is the most expensive wine in the world! Indeed, typo or autocorrect on my account, apologies to all forum users. I don't enjoy the Samsung keyboard as much as my old LG unfortunately, but it is a far superior phone in many respects. Maybe you need to have a chat with centy over which wines you drink, as he seems to be confused. I made a comment on the other thread about wines from outside of the EU being more expensive because of the EU's external tariff barrier. They could be much cheaper than EU wines if the EU's external tariff barrier is removed. It is EU protectionism at work. I never made any comment about Andy being pour/poor or rich, you just made that up, as you always seem to just make stuff up when your nose is put out of joint. " But Andy says that wines from outside the EU are not more expensive. He says that wines from France are the most expensive. | |||
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" In Leeds, 63% of the Council tax budget is spent on Adult Social Care and Children's Services. " Source ? It looks like 63% is spent in “adult and health” (40.6%)and “children and families” (22.3%). Given these tie with your quotes 63% it feels the right categories. Just yours feel very specific compared to the chief officer report. | |||
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"Poor, not pour! And wine from within the EU, and specifically France is the most expensive wine in the world!" Yep 2.20€ per litre for French wine is ridiculous! That's £2 per litre given the current exchange rate of 1.10€! | |||
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"Poor, not pour! And wine from within the EU, and specifically France is the most expensive wine in the world! Yep 2.20€ per litre for French wine is ridiculous! That's £2 per litre given the current exchange rate of 1.10€!" To be fair, he didn't say that ALL French wine was the most expensive. | |||
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" In Leeds, 63% of the Council tax budget is spent on Adult Social Care and Children's Services. Source ? It looks like 63% is spent in “adult and health” (40.6%)and “children and families” (22.3%). Given these tie with your quotes 63% it feels the right categories. Just yours feel very specific compared to the chief officer report. " Source? My Council tax bill "Despite significant budget pressures, our priority in Leeds remains to protect the most vulnerable and over 63% of our expenditure for 2018/19 will be on Adult Social Care and Children’s Services. Leeds City Council has therefore accepted the offer made by the government to increase Council Tax by an extra 2% this year to assist in funding adult social care services" You have to love people on Fabswingers with their agendas! They will disagree with anything! Even when you quote from the Council's own documentation. Now apologise please. | |||
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"Poor, not pour! And wine from within the EU, and specifically France is the most expensive wine in the world! Yep 2.20€ per litre for French wine is ridiculous! That's £2 per litre given the current exchange rate of 1.10€! To be fair, he didn't say that ALL French wine was the most expensive. " You cannot buy wine at £2 a litre in the UK. Duty is £2.89 per litre, plus vat on the final selling price. So the minimum price per 2 litres, is £5.77 plus the cost of the wine, bottle, label, shipping, marketing, profit margin etc, and then vat at 20% on all of those costs. | |||
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"Poor, not pour! And wine from within the EU, and specifically France is the most expensive wine in the world! Yep 2.20€ per litre for French wine is ridiculous! That's £2 per litre given the current exchange rate of 1.10€! To be fair, he didn't say that ALL French wine was the most expensive. You cannot buy wine at £2 a litre in the UK. Duty is £2.89 per litre, plus vat on the final selling price. So the minimum price per 2 litres, is £5.77 plus the cost of the wine, bottle, label, shipping, marketing, profit margin etc, and then vat at 20% on all of those costs." Do you buy your wine in 2 litre containers? | |||
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"Poor, not pour! And wine from within the EU, and specifically France is the most expensive wine in the world! Yep 2.20€ per litre for French wine is ridiculous! That's £2 per litre given the current exchange rate of 1.10€! To be fair, he didn't say that ALL French wine was the most expensive. You cannot buy wine at £2 a litre in the UK. Duty is £2.89 per litre, plus vat on the final selling price. So the minimum price per 2 litres, is £5.77 plus the cost of the wine, bottle, label, shipping, marketing, profit margin etc, and then vat at 20% on all of those costs. Do you buy your wine in 2 litre containers? No I don't. I don't think it's possible in the UK and it isn't really the correct quantity. I only replied because someone misreported the cost of 2 litres of wine. In the UK it jumps from a 75cl bottle to a 1.5 litre magnum. " No one mentioned the price of 2 litres of wine apart from you. | |||
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" In Leeds, 63% of the Council tax budget is spent on Adult Social Care and Children's Services. Source ? It looks like 63% is spent in “adult and health” (40.6%)and “children and families” (22.3%). Given these tie with your quotes 63% it feels the right categories. Just yours feel very specific compared to the chief officer report. Source? My Council tax bill "Despite significant budget pressures, our priority in Leeds remains to protect the most vulnerable and over 63% of our expenditure for 2018/19 will be on Adult Social Care and Children’s Services. Leeds City Council has therefore accepted the offer made by the government to increase Council Tax by an extra 2% this year to assist in funding adult social care services" You have to love people on Fabswingers with their agendas! They will disagree with anything! Even when you quote from the Council's own documentation. Now apologise please." Ha, jeez. You really are up yourself, aintcha? You're demanding an apology from someone requesting a source, even though they've pretty much agreed with you and just wanted to clarify where you got your data from. I notice you've gone awfully quiet replying to me though...seen your arse much? C'mon, put that precious A-level to some use and tell me how I'm wrong! Tell us all how a Land Value Tax is communism again...I could do with a chuckle | |||
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