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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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No deal Brexit
Fear for the poorest
You know what it's like to be poor John
As if their life's will change in the EU or out EU.
Unless someone can tell me otherwise? |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
I saw the John Major interview yesterday. He came over as knowledgeable, tempered in his arguments and respectful of the views of others.
I respect his viewpoint, and others less tolerant, should take a moment to listen. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"The poorest have nothing   "
Let's say they want to go on holiday to Europe, a nice little caravan trip to France. Is it better that they may have to pay for tourist visas? Or an international driving permit? Say they want to ring home, text friends etc. Will the calls go back to international prices, rather than the same rate as back in the UK. Is there travel insurance going to be much more if we leave current EU medical expenses framework.
Or maybe they are too poor for a holiday, Maybe they are on benefits, with falling tax receipts, the government will have to balance the books somehow, such as by cutting benefits. That's not going to improve their situation either. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"The poorest have nothing
Let's say they want to go on holiday to Europe, a nice little caravan trip to France. Is it better that they may have to pay for tourist visas? Or an international driving permit? Say they want to ring home, text friends etc. Will the calls go back to international prices, rather than the same rate as back in the UK. Is there travel insurance going to be much more if we leave current EU medical expenses framework.
Or maybe they are too poor for a holiday, Maybe they are on benefits, with falling tax receipts, the government will have to balance the books somehow, such as by cutting benefits. That's not going to improve their situation either."
Holiday what's that ?  |
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What if they go on a package hol abroad like most families do you think it’s going to be much more ? Tbh I don’t think there will be much difference it’s just same old shit diffrent day in here now |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"The poorest have nothing
Let's say they want to go on holiday to Europe, a nice little caravan trip to France. Is it better that they may have to pay for tourist visas? Or an international driving permit? Say they want to ring home, text friends etc. Will the calls go back to international prices, rather than the same rate as back in the UK. Is there travel insurance going to be much more if we leave current EU medical expenses framework.
Or maybe they are too poor for a holiday, Maybe they are on benefits, with falling tax receipts, the government will have to balance the books somehow, such as by cutting benefits. That's not going to improve their situation either.
Holiday what's that ? "
That's you ignoring half of my post. |
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"No deal Brexit
Fear for the poorest
You know what it's like to be poor John
As if their life's will change in the EU or out EU.
Unless someone can tell me otherwise?"
Just to be absolutely clear, John Major doesn't give a shit about the poor and never has. He's just using the poor now as a political football and a convenient excuse to try to get a 2nd referendum. What about the poor in Greece who suffered in the EU, largely down to EU imposed austerity on Greece, where was John Major's concern for the poor then. He's a hypocritical sore loser who doesn't like it when he can't have his own way. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"No deal Brexit
Fear for the poorest
You know what it's like to be poor John
As if their life's will change in the EU or out EU.
Unless someone can tell me otherwise?
Just to be absolutely clear, John Major doesn't give a shit about the poor and never has. He's just using the poor now as a political football and a convenient excuse to try to get a 2nd referendum. What about the poor in Greece who suffered in the EU, largely down to EU imposed austerity on Greece, where was John Major's concern for the poor then. He's a hypocritical sore loser who doesn't like it when he can't have his own way. "
You keep on banging on about the Greeks, and how mean the EU has been to them, and yet they don't want to leave! |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"Someone tell me how this will still affect the poorest?"
How much of the food supply chain is integrated with the single market?
What are the tariffs that need to be added each time those products enter the UK?
What are the likely delays to FMCG - perishables - from the physical customs checks that will need to be carried out?
I've seen figures of food costing 30 per cent more.
We all eat, don't way.
One in four of us die from cancer. What about the isotopes used to diagnose cancer that we purchase in the single market?
Those are very perishable.
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
Here's a scenario.
The Government falls within days of the March 30 chaos.
Quickest election in history is held.
Labour is the largest minority in Parliament.
Corbyn enters Downing Street after agreeing a pact with the nationalists in Scotland and Ireland and agrees to independence referenda within 12 months.
Scotland and Northern Ireland vote to leave the UK.
The fall of the British Empire is now complete.
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"Here's a scenario.
The Government falls within days of the March 30 chaos.
Quickest election in history is held.
Labour is the largest minority in Parliament.
Corbyn enters Downing Street after agreeing a pact with the nationalists in Scotland and Ireland and agrees to independence referenda within 12 months.
Scotland and Northern Ireland vote to leave the UK.
The fall of the British Empire is now complete.
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And then will you be happy? |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"No deal Brexit
Fear for the poorest
You know what it's like to be poor John
As if their life's will change in the EU or out EU.
Unless someone can tell me otherwise?"
He was born and brought up in Brixton... and not the Brixton of today |
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"No deal Brexit
Fear for the poorest
You know what it's like to be poor John
As if their life's will change in the EU or out EU.
Unless someone can tell me otherwise?
He was born and brought up in Brixton... and not the Brixton of today "
Irish brixton? |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"What if they go on a package hol abroad like most families do you think it’s going to be much more ? Tbh I don’t think there will be much difference it’s just same old shit diffrent day in here now "
Well at this point in time any flight booked for after the 31st March 2019 will have the added conditions that they will not be held responsible if the flight does not go.. and it affects any holiday hotels or connections
So yeah that might make a difference..... lol |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"Here's a scenario.
The Government falls within days of the March 30 chaos.
Quickest election in history is held.
Labour is the largest minority in Parliament.
Corbyn enters Downing Street after agreeing a pact with the nationalists in Scotland and Ireland and agrees to independence referenda within 12 months.
Scotland and Northern Ireland vote to leave the UK.
The fall of the British Empire is now complete.
And then will you be happy?"
Only if you enjoy being part of the sectarian thuggery and collapse of law and order that will follow in parts of Scotland and NI, and spread like a cancer to England.
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"Here's a scenario.
The Government falls within days of the March 30 chaos.
Quickest election in history is held.
Labour is the largest minority in Parliament.
Corbyn enters Downing Street after agreeing a pact with the nationalists in Scotland and Ireland and agrees to independence referenda within 12 months.
Scotland and Northern Ireland vote to leave the UK.
The fall of the British Empire is now complete.
And then will you be happy?
Only if you enjoy being part of the sectarian thuggery and collapse of law and order that will follow in parts of Scotland and NI, and spread like a cancer to England.
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By *ammskiMan
over a year ago
lytham st.annes |
"Here's a scenario.
The Government falls within days of the March 30 chaos.
Quickest election in history is held.
Labour is the largest minority in Parliament.
Corbyn enters Downing Street after agreeing a pact with the nationalists in Scotland and Ireland and agrees to independence referenda within 12 months.
Scotland and Northern Ireland vote to leave the UK.
The fall of the British Empire is now complete.
And then will you be happy?
Only if you enjoy being part of the sectarian thuggery and collapse of law and order that will follow in parts of Scotland and NI, and spread like a cancer to England.
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Strong words,but total bullshit |
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"Here's a scenario.
The Government falls within days of the March 30 chaos.
Quickest election in history is held.
Labour is the largest minority in Parliament.
Corbyn enters Downing Street after agreeing a pact with the nationalists in Scotland and Ireland and agrees to independence referenda within 12 months.
Scotland and Northern Ireland vote to leave the UK.
The fall of the British Empire is now complete.
And then will you be happy?
Only if you enjoy being part of the sectarian thuggery and collapse of law and order that will follow in parts of Scotland and NI, and spread like a cancer to England.
Strong words,but total bullshit "
Imagine being stuck in a lift with these people... "that's it, we're going to die in here..." cheers then!  |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
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Strong words,but total bullshit "
Let's hope so. I'd heard British nationalists say so many times it will be a land of milk and honey on March 30 when we're no longer tied to the EU that I'm sure they must be telling the truth. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"We are likely to see panic buying in the supermarkets and hoarding of food on a scale not seen since the supply of petrol ran out 15 or 20 years ago."
I was talking to someone last week and I thought exactly the same thing would happen...
If you thought people panic bought when the beast from the east came, you know people are going to panic buy here..
I added that I thought the army would be on the streets in one form or another as well |
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"Someone tell me how this will still affect the poorest?
How much of the food supply chain is integrated with the single market?
What are the tariffs that need to be added each time those products enter the UK?
What are the likely delays to FMCG - perishables - from the physical customs checks that will need to be carried out?
I've seen figures of food costing 30 per cent more.
We all eat, don't way.
One in four of us die from cancer. What about the isotopes used to diagnose cancer that we purchase in the single market?
Those are very perishable.
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For every prediction of doom gloom and armageddon you seem to delight in sharing there is of course completely the opposite forecasts that all will be well. Some predictions say that food prices will be cheaper in the UK after Brexit from the rest of the world outside of the EU as we will be free to lower the tariffs on food and agricultural products from the rest of the world. The EU's external tariff barrier keeps food prices from outside of the EU artificially high which we are currently bound by as a member, it's called EU protectionism. The EU CAP is also a protectionist policy. When Donald Trump and protectionism is mentioned people like you get all in a tiz and you start to hyperventilate and yet at the same time you completely ignore the EU's protectionist policies. |
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"We are likely to see panic buying in the supermarkets and hoarding of food on a scale not seen since the supply of petrol ran out 15 or 20 years ago."
Not going to happen as the government has already revealed as part of its no deal preparations food such as tinned goods and processed food is already being stockpiled. Supermarkets will continue to be stocked as part of no deal preparations. You're also ignoring our own domestic produce and food we import from the rest of the world outside of the EU which is likely to be much cheaper than it is now under a no deal scenario as we'll be free to slash tariffs. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
We've known for 2 years we are leaving the EU. The ones who lead the campaign were elevated into positions of power.
I'm sure they must have been very busy making every last preparation for the day when they can shout "freedom!" and the country joins in a great party to celebrate.
What could possibly go wrong?
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"If the government has said food is being stockpiled for Brexit....does that say something to you about Brexit ?"
It says the government is preparing for all possible outcomes. Pity remainer David Cameron didn't bother to prepare for a leave vote in 2016 and was guilty of extreme negligence. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"We are likely to see panic buying in the supermarkets and hoarding of food on a scale not seen since the supply of petrol ran out 15 or 20 years ago.
Not going to happen as the government has already revealed as part of its no deal preparations food such as tinned goods and processed food is already being stockpiled. Supermarkets will continue to be stocked as part of no deal preparations. You're also ignoring our own domestic produce and food we import from the rest of the world outside of the EU which is likely to be much cheaper than it is now under a no deal scenario as we'll be free to slash tariffs. "
Can I ask you a genuine question... what do you do work wise?
Just because it feels like brexit isn’t going to affect you in any way shape or form, so I just wondered what the magical job was that was immune to any Brexit consequence
You bat away everything and everything is so rosy eyed in centy world... not one bad effect from brexit ever! |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"If the government has said food is being stockpiled for Brexit....does that say something to you about Brexit ?"
The fact there is a plan to stockpile medicines should be enough for concern....
At least there are not saying there won’t be any consequences means that project no fear is finally turning into project realism
The question really is how many people are going to be dragged over there cliff with the hardliners |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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As the clock ticks down brits will become like those American apocalypse prepers who stock pile stuff in bunkers awaiting Armageddon .So much entertainment to be had out of this... |
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"As the clock ticks down brits will become like those American apocalypse prepers who stock pile stuff in bunkers awaiting Armageddon .So much entertainment to be had out of this... "
The only thing I'm stock piling is beer in my fridge to have a massive celebration when we're finally free of the EU in March 2019.  |
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"We are likely to see panic buying in the supermarkets and hoarding of food on a scale not seen since the supply of petrol ran out 15 or 20 years ago.
Not going to happen as the government has already revealed as part of its no deal preparations food such as tinned goods and processed food is already being stockpiled. Supermarkets will continue to be stocked as part of no deal preparations. You're also ignoring our own domestic produce and food we import from the rest of the world outside of the EU which is likely to be much cheaper than it is now under a no deal scenario as we'll be free to slash tariffs.
Can I ask you a genuine question... what do you do work wise?
Just because it feels like brexit isn’t going to affect you in any way shape or form, so I just wondered what the magical job was that was immune to any Brexit consequence
You bat away everything and everything is so rosy eyed in centy world... not one bad effect from brexit ever! "
And this is why a remainer like Theresa May should not be running the country and delivering brexit. You just can't see any good in Brexit at all, you just see it as a damage limitation exercise. And what is it with the personal questions from remainers on this forum? CLCC has asked me what car I drive on a previous brexit thread and now you're asking what job I do. I'm not going to give away private personal information like that on a public forum. But as a hypothetical maybe I'm a fisherman who will be able to fish a bigger quota now we're leaving the EU Common fisheries policy and also supply more seafood for the UK market without having to import as much. See not every employer or employee will be looking at Brexit in a negative light like you and other remainers do, for some people Brexit is a great opportunity to better themselves. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
The question why I asked is that even as a fisherman (hypothetically) about 80% of fish caught by UK trawlers is then sold onto the Eu... which means that even your humble fisherman is going to be effected by brexit by way of tariffs (under WTO rules since you want your hard brexit) |
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I think he's speaking reasonably, based on good common sense and his expertise and wisdom.
I think there's a correlation between reduced income levels and being likely more negatively affected by brexit in years to come.
He's probably also more sincere than any of the current government , about the impacts this will have on ordinary people. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"As the clock ticks down brits will become like those American apocalypse prepers who stock pile stuff in bunkers awaiting Armageddon .So much entertainment to be had out of this... "
So bob... which do you think will happen first?
A remainer saying “well actually that wasn’t so bad!”
Or
A leaver saying “this is not what we signed up for!” |
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"As the clock ticks down brits will become like those American apocalypse prepers who stock pile stuff in bunkers awaiting Armageddon .So much entertainment to be had out of this... "
that’s it bob you’ve hit the nail on the head it’s all entertainment it’s just panic and gloom a lot of ppl live there lives like that only see the negatives even Fabio is predicting the army on the streets and flights grounded ppl stockpiling food lol |
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"As the clock ticks down brits will become like those American apocalypse prepers who stock pile stuff in bunkers awaiting Armageddon .So much entertainment to be had out of this...
So bob... which do you think will happen first?
A remainer saying “well actually that wasn’t so bad!”
Or
A leaver saying “this is not what we signed up for!”"
I’d say I voted leave so I’ll live with it what would you say Fabio? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"As the clock ticks down brits will become like those American apocalypse prepers who stock pile stuff in bunkers awaiting Armageddon .So much entertainment to be had out of this...
So bob... which do you think will happen first?
A remainer saying “well actually that wasn’t so bad!”
Or
A leaver saying “this is not what we signed up for!”"
The leavers want so many different things many will be crying into their beers.While munching on their stockpiled spam .. |
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"The question why I asked is that even as a fisherman (hypothetically) about 80% of fish caught by UK trawlers is then sold onto the Eu... which means that even your humble fisherman is going to be effected by brexit by way of tariffs (under WTO rules since you want your hard brexit) "
Yes but you have to accept that under a hard no deal Brexit on WTO rules we won't be importing as much from the EU, (probably none as we'll all be starving with empty shelves in supermarkets if you listen to the remain doom mongers on here). And so the UK fisherman will be able to sell over 80% of his catch to the domestic UK market. You can't have it both ways Fabio. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
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And this is why a remainer like Theresa May should not be running the country and delivering brexit. You just can't see any good in Brexit at all, you just see it as a damage limitation exercise. And what is it with the personal questions from remainers on this forum? CLCC has asked me what car I drive on a previous brexit thread and now you're asking what job I do. I'm not going to give away private personal information like that on a public forum. But as a hypothetical maybe I'm a fisherman who will be able to fish a bigger quota now we're leaving the EU Common fisheries policy and also supply more seafood for the UK market without having to import as much. See not every employer or employee will be looking at Brexit in a negative light like you and other remainers do, for some people Brexit is a great opportunity to better themselves. "
At this point in time I would not even consider myself to be a remainer.... I would consider myself to be a realist!.. actually I would consider myself to be pragmatic
Saying there are going to be no bad consequences from brexit isn’t being realistic.....
The crux of it you are never going to get as good a deal being on the outside than you are being on the inside.... being pragmatic then says that i can live with that if you tell me the truth
I am still waiting on someone to tell me the truth
If you can tell me how bad it will be and I can live with that, then I can live with that.... but I am not in the habit of making myself poorer for the sake of making myself poorer!!!
If you are doing it out of ideology then you are not doing it for your country, you are doing it for you..... |
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"As the clock ticks down brits will become like those American apocalypse prepers who stock pile stuff in bunkers awaiting Armageddon .So much entertainment to be had out of this...
So bob... which do you think will happen first?
A remainer saying “well actually that wasn’t so bad!”
Or
A leaver saying “this is not what we signed up for!”
The leavers want so many different things many will be crying into their beers.While munching on their stockpiled spam .. "
Nah keep the spam, I'll prefer some good old British fish and chips, with the chips being produced by home grown British potatoes and the fish provided by UK fishermen caught in UK fishing waters after Brexit. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"The question why I asked is that even as a fisherman (hypothetically) about 80% of fish caught by UK trawlers is then sold onto the Eu... which means that even your humble fisherman is going to be effected by brexit by way of tariffs (under WTO rules since you want your hard brexit)
Yes but you have to accept that under a hard no deal Brexit on WTO rules we won't be importing as much from the EU, (probably none as we'll all be starving with empty shelves in supermarkets if you listen to the remain doom mongers on here). And so the UK fisherman will be able to sell over 80% of his catch to the domestic UK market. You can't have it both ways Fabio. "
But that doesn’t make “fish” any cheaper... if 80% of fish is already going abroad, that isn’t going to go to the UK instead! We can only eat so much fish! |
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"The question why I asked is that even as a fisherman (hypothetically) about 80% of fish caught by UK trawlers is then sold onto the Eu... which means that even your humble fisherman is going to be effected by brexit by way of tariffs (under WTO rules since you want your hard brexit)
Yes but you have to accept that under a hard no deal Brexit on WTO rules we won't be importing as much from the EU, (probably none as we'll all be starving with empty shelves in supermarkets if you listen to the remain doom mongers on here). And so the UK fisherman will be able to sell over 80% of his catch to the domestic UK market. You can't have it both ways Fabio.
But that doesn’t make “fish” any cheaper... if 80% of fish is already going abroad, that isn’t going to go to the UK instead! We can only eat so much fish!"
It is if we're not importing as much seafood from the EU! Trade is a 2 way thing, it doesn't just go one way. If you're saying the EU will import less from the UK then the UK will import less from the EU! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Give a leaver a British fish and he'll eat for a day .Teach a leaver to fish and he'll never go hungry.
This should be government policy to prevent the stockpiling of spam . |
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But bob the leavers don’t think it’s going to be that bad so there for the stockpiling will be done by remainers it makes sense the price of spam is going through tithe roof as we speak bastard aldi have put the price up already lol |
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over a year ago
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"We are likely to see panic buying in the supermarkets and hoarding of food on a scale not seen since the supply of petrol ran out 15 or 20 years ago.
Not going to happen as the government has already revealed as part of its no deal preparations food such as tinned goods and processed food is already being stockpiled. Supermarkets will continue to be stocked as part of no deal preparations. You're also ignoring our own domestic produce and food we import from the rest of the world outside of the EU which is likely to be much cheaper than it is now under a no deal scenario as we'll be free to slash tariffs.
Can I ask you a genuine question... what do you do work wise?
Just because it feels like brexit isn’t going to affect you in any way shape or form, so I just wondered what the magical job was that was immune to any Brexit consequence
You bat away everything and everything is so rosy eyed in centy world... not one bad effect from brexit ever!
And this is why a remainer like Theresa May should not be running the country and delivering brexit. You just can't see any good in Brexit at all, you just see it as a damage limitation exercise. And what is it with the personal questions from remainers on this forum? CLCC has asked me what car I drive on a previous brexit thread and now you're asking what job I do. I'm not going to give away private personal information like that on a public forum. But as a hypothetical maybe I'm a fisherman who will be able to fish a bigger quota now we're leaving the EU Common fisheries policy and also supply more seafood for the UK market without having to import as much. See not every employer or employee will be looking at Brexit in a negative light like you and other remainers do, for some people Brexit is a great opportunity to better themselves. "
As much as I completely disagree, and don’t understand why you only believe the positive Brexit predictions. This answer was really good and provides an insight to how people in favour of Brexit think.
I try to read the Brexit friendly news papers, but the journalism is so shoddy and their stories are unreadable. And I don’t know anyone who voted Brexit (or at least admits it), so I found this genuinely interesting to hear what you think. |
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"The question why I asked is that even as a fisherman (hypothetically) about 80% of fish caught by UK trawlers is then sold onto the Eu... which means that even your humble fisherman is going to be effected by brexit by way of tariffs (under WTO rules since you want your hard brexit)
Yes but you have to accept that under a hard no deal Brexit on WTO rules we won't be importing as much from the EU, (probably none as we'll all be starving with empty shelves in supermarkets if you listen to the remain doom mongers on here). And so the UK fisherman will be able to sell over 80% of his catch to the domestic UK market. You can't have it both ways Fabio.
But that doesn’t make “fish” any cheaper... if 80% of fish is already going abroad, that isn’t going to go to the UK instead! We can only eat so much fish!"
So just to be clear now you're saying that there will be an oversupply of seafood in the UK after Brexit.
Make your mind up.
Earlier in the thread you were agreeing with other remainers that supermarket shelves would be empty and you said the army would be out in the streets with the country in a state of emergency.
I can just imagine the Prime ministers phone call to the Chief of Defence staff at the MoD now...."quick get the national guard out there is an oversupply of fish in the supermarkets". |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"If the government has said food is being stockpiled for Brexit....does that say something to you about Brexit ?"
What a load of bollocks. How much has the government spent on stockpiled food?
Where is it being held?
How will it be distributed? |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"The question why I asked is that even as a fisherman (hypothetically) about 80% of fish caught by UK trawlers is then sold onto the Eu... which means that even your humble fisherman is going to be effected by brexit by way of tariffs (under WTO rules since you want your hard brexit)
Yes but you have to accept that under a hard no deal Brexit on WTO rules we won't be importing as much from the EU, (probably none as we'll all be starving with empty shelves in supermarkets if you listen to the remain doom mongers on here). And so the UK fisherman will be able to sell over 80% of his catch to the domestic UK market. You can't have it both ways Fabio.
But that doesn’t make “fish” any cheaper... if 80% of fish is already going abroad, that isn’t going to go to the UK instead! We can only eat so much fish!
So just to be clear now you're saying that there will be an oversupply of seafood in the UK after Brexit.
Make your mind up.
Earlier in the thread you were agreeing with other remainers that supermarket shelves would be empty and you said the army would be out in the streets with the country in a state of emergency.
I can just imagine the Prime ministers phone call to the Chief of Defence staff at the MoD now...."quick get the national guard out there is an oversupply of fish in the supermarkets". "
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"If the government has said food is being stockpiled for Brexit....does that say something to you about Brexit ?
What a load of bollocks. How much has the government spent on stockpiled food?
Where is it being held?
How will it be distributed? "
It's all being reserved for there restaurants and bars of the Palace of Westminster
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"If the government has said food is being stockpiled for Brexit....does that say something to you about Brexit ?
What a load of bollocks. How much has the government spent on stockpiled food?
Where is it being held?
How will it be distributed?
It's all being reserved for there restaurants and bars of the Palace of Westminster
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Yeah, they serve a lot of fun food there.
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
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The question really is how many people are going to be dragged over there cliff with the hardliners "
We're all going over the cliff in a giant red bus.
Cliff Richard at the steering wheel, Summer Holiday on the sound system
The OAPs replaying the sound track of 1963.
You know, before all these foreigners turned up.
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"No bob iv already explained the leavers think it’s going to be ok it’s the remainers who are panicking it will be them running rnd aldifir spam lol"
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"No bob iv already explained the leavers think it’s going to be ok it’s the remainers who are panicking it will be them running rnd aldifir spam lol
Jesus, leavers really will believe anything. "
...and what do remainers believe? One has already changed his mind in the space of a few hours on this thread that supermarket shelves would be empty, to then saying there would be an oversupply of seafood in the uk after a no deal Brexit. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"No bob iv already explained the leavers think it’s going to be ok it’s the remainers who are panicking it will be them running rnd aldifir spam lol
Jesus, leavers really will believe anything.
...and what do remainers believe? One has already changed his mind in the space of a few hours on this thread that supermarket shelves would be empty, to then saying there would be an oversupply of seafood in the uk after a no deal Brexit. "
Well let's ask you Centaur, do you believe, like foxy, that in the event of panic buying in the UK, not one single buyer will have voted to leave? That every single person will have voted to remain? Is that what you believe? |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
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...and what do remainers believe? One has already changed his mind in the space of a few hours on this thread that supermarket shelves would be empty, to then saying there would be an oversupply of seafood in the uk after a no deal Brexit. "
But there is a plan. Isn't there? I mean, of course there is. There must be. Have you seen it? |
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"No bob iv already explained the leavers think it’s going to be ok it’s the remainers who are panicking it will be them running rnd aldifir spam lol
Jesus, leavers really will believe anything.
...and what do remainers believe? One has already changed his mind in the space of a few hours on this thread that supermarket shelves would be empty, to then saying there would be an oversupply of seafood in the uk after a no deal Brexit.
Well let's ask you Centaur, do you believe, like foxy, that in the event of panic buying in the UK, not one single buyer will have voted to leave? That every single person will have voted to remain? Is that what you believe? "
. Clcc for gods sake I’m aving a bit of fun with bob it’s just a crack I don’t think there will be any panick buying from anyone apart from a few loonies lol |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"No bob iv already explained the leavers think it’s going to be ok it’s the remainers who are panicking it will be them running rnd aldifir spam lol
Jesus, leavers really will believe anything.
...and what do remainers believe? One has already changed his mind in the space of a few hours on this thread that supermarket shelves would be empty, to then saying there would be an oversupply of seafood in the uk after a no deal Brexit.
Well let's ask you Centaur, do you believe, like foxy, that in the event of panic buying in the UK, not one single buyer will have voted to leave? That every single person will have voted to remain? Is that what you believe? . Clcc for gods sake I’m aving a bit of fun with bob it’s just a crack I don’t think there will be any panick buying from anyone apart from a few loonies lol"
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over a year ago
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"No deal Brexit
Fear for the poorest
You know what it's like to be poor John
As if their life's will change in the EU or out EU.
Unless someone can tell me otherwise?
Just to be absolutely clear, John Major doesn't give a shit about the poor and never has. He's just using the poor now as a political football and a convenient excuse to try to get a 2nd referendum. What about the poor in Greece who suffered in the EU, largely down to EU imposed austerity on Greece, where was John Major's concern for the poor then. He's a hypocritical sore loser who doesn't like it when he can't have his own way. "
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over a year ago
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"The only people panic buying will be the remoaners. So as long as everyone else avoids Waitrose, they'll be ok. 
Is Brexit a class issue?"
i read somewhere brexit was an interesting class issue in as much as the havenots were rebelling with the havealots against the havesomes. Not rebelling against the elite who own the companies, but the managers. Aldi and F&M versus Waitrose. |
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"The only people panic buying will be the remoaners. So as long as everyone else avoids Waitrose, they'll be ok.
Is Brexit a class issue?"
Well some remainers certainly made some pretty snobbish and class issue posts on the Wetherspoons thread a few weeks ago. |
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over a year ago
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"The only people panic buying will be the remoaners. So as long as everyone else avoids Waitrose, they'll be ok.
Is Brexit a class issue?"
Absolutely. The ruling class 1% stand to gain a lot and tighten they’re grip around the throats of the 99% of us. |
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"The only people panic buying will be the remoaners. So as long as everyone else avoids Waitrose, they'll be ok.
There will be no panic buying Waitrose you can't buy spam there.The brexiters will be in Aldi and Lidl rushing around fighting over spam . "
Not shopping in Waitrose i wouldn't know. How is the Champaign? |
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over a year ago
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"The only people panic buying will be the remoaners. So as long as everyone else avoids Waitrose, they'll be ok.
There will be no panic buying Waitrose you can't buy spam there.The brexiters will be in Aldi and Lidl rushing around fighting over spam .
Not shopping in Waitrose i wouldn't know. How is the Champaign?"
Going to break the generalisation. I'm a remainer and I hate Waitrose and I miss Tescos basics. Back in the day when orange juice was 8p. Well I was brought up in a poor background and learn to save money by shopping at Aldi now... A European brand...
I have many brexiter friends who didn't get out of poverty. They found blame in the EU for them staying in poverty. But sadly, it was their drug use, alcoholism and crime that kept them in it. It's a shame because I see over 20 of my childhood friends follow the propoganda of Brexit. Even to blame immigration when they are old friends of immigrants. |
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"The only people panic buying will be the remoaners. So as long as everyone else avoids Waitrose, they'll be ok.
There will be no panic buying Waitrose you can't buy spam there.The brexiters will be in Aldi and Lidl rushing around fighting over spam .
Not shopping in Waitrose i wouldn't know. How is the Champaign?
Going to break the generalisation. I'm a remainer and I hate Waitrose and I miss Tescos basics. Back in the day when orange juice was 8p. Well I was brought up in a poor background and learn to save money by shopping at Aldi now... A European brand...
I have many brexiter friends who didn't get out of poverty. They found blame in the EU for them staying in poverty. But sadly, it was their drug use, alcoholism and crime that kept them in it. It's a shame because I see over 20 of my childhood friends follow the propoganda of Brexit. Even to blame immigration when they are old friends of immigrants."
I'm a remainer. But I'm not a remoaner. Or a Champaign socialist.... |
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over a year ago
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"The only people panic buying will be the remoaners. So as long as everyone else avoids Waitrose, they'll be ok.
There will be no panic buying Waitrose you can't buy spam there.The brexiters will be in Aldi and Lidl rushing around fighting over spam .
Not shopping in Waitrose i wouldn't know. How is the Champaign?
Going to break the generalisation. I'm a remainer and I hate Waitrose and I miss Tescos basics. Back in the day when orange juice was 8p. Well I was brought up in a poor background and learn to save money by shopping at Aldi now... A European brand...
I have many brexiter friends who didn't get out of poverty. They found blame in the EU for them staying in poverty. But sadly, it was their drug use, alcoholism and crime that kept them in it. It's a shame because I see over 20 of my childhood friends follow the propoganda of Brexit. Even to blame immigration when they are old friends of immigrants.
I'm a remainer. But I'm not a remoaner. Or a Champaign socialist...."
Haha true. I'm no remoaner. However if I'm forced to return to the UK... Then I may become one.  |
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"The only people panic buying will be the remoaners. So as long as everyone else avoids Waitrose, they'll be ok.
There will be no panic buying Waitrose you can't buy spam there.The brexiters will be in Aldi and Lidl rushing around fighting over spam .
Not shopping in Waitrose i wouldn't know. How is the Champaign?"
Now that they've stopped the free cup of coffee it's a lot pleasanter. The price of kumquats and velveeta has gone up but according to Centaur it will be pennies post Brexit. |
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"No deal Brexit
Fear for the poorest
You know what it's like to be poor John
As if their life's will change in the EU or out EU.
Unless someone can tell me otherwise?
He was born and brought up in Brixton... and not the Brixton of today
Irish brixton?"
No Brixton, London. In a flat on Coldharbour Lane. His farther was a Circus Master. He's quite definitely was not born with a silver spoon in his mouth. |
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"We are likely to see panic buying in the supermarkets and hoarding of food on a scale not seen since the supply of petrol ran out 15 or 20 years ago.
Not going to happen as the government has already revealed as part of its no deal preparations food such as tinned goods and processed food is already being stockpiled. Supermarkets will continue to be stocked as part of no deal preparations. You're also ignoring our own domestic produce and food we import from the rest of the world outside of the EU which is likely to be much cheaper than it is now under a no deal scenario as we'll be free to slash tariffs. "
We maybe free to slash tariffs on food but, if that happens ever, which it probably won't, it won't happen on 30th March 2019. And it's not really the price or the tarriff on the food that will be the problem. It will be the food safety checks at the border which will cause the problem which, unless we have an agreement with the EU, we'll have to on food coming from the EU (even though it would be totally unnecessary), or not check food products from the rest of the world, or break WTO rules. Which option are you suggesting we take? |
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"We are likely to see panic buying in the supermarkets and hoarding of food on a scale not seen since the supply of petrol ran out 15 or 20 years ago.
Not going to happen as the government has already revealed as part of its no deal preparations food such as tinned goods and processed food is already being stockpiled. Supermarkets will continue to be stocked as part of no deal preparations. You're also ignoring our own domestic produce and food we import from the rest of the world outside of the EU which is likely to be much cheaper than it is now under a no deal scenario as we'll be free to slash tariffs.
Can I ask you a genuine question... what do you do work wise?
Just because it feels like brexit isn’t going to affect you in any way shape or form, so I just wondered what the magical job was that was immune to any Brexit consequence
You bat away everything and everything is so rosy eyed in centy world... not one bad effect from brexit ever!
And this is why a remainer like Theresa May should not be running the country and delivering brexit. You just can't see any good in Brexit at all, you just see it as a damage limitation exercise. And what is it with the personal questions from remainers on this forum? CLCC has asked me what car I drive on a previous brexit thread and now you're asking what job I do. I'm not going to give away private personal information like that on a public forum. But as a hypothetical maybe I'm a fisherman who will be able to fish a bigger quota now we're leaving the EU Common fisheries policy and also supply more seafood for the UK market without having to import as much. See not every employer or employee will be looking at Brexit in a negative light like you and other remainers do, for some people Brexit is a great opportunity to better themselves. "
You're clearly not a fisherman or, if you are, you're not a very well informed fisherman. The problem with British fisheries is not so much to do with the British quota assigned by the EU under CFP but more to do with the British Government allowing British fishers to sell their quotas outside of the UK. Those fishing rights will still be held by their current legal owners even when we've left the CFP. |
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"The question why I asked is that even as a fisherman (hypothetically) about 80% of fish caught by UK trawlers is then sold onto the Eu... which means that even your jumble fisherman is going to be effected by brexit by way of tariffs (under WTO rules since you want your hard brexit)
Yes but you have to accept that under a hard no deal Brexit on WTO rules we won't be importing as much from the EU, (probably none as we'll all be starving with empty shelves in supermarkets if you listen to the remain doom mongers on here). And so the UK fisherman will be able to sell over 80% of his catch to the domestic UK market. You can't have it both ways Fabio. "
Not if he's already sold his share of the UK's total catch to a French, Dutch, Danish or Spanish fisherman, as quite a lot have. |
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over a year ago
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Have any prime ministers or politicians in your life made your life better ??
My life's worse .longer hours less pay etc etc etc
And the countries in a mess
Cutbacks police fireman etc etc etc even they do 12 hour shifts
NHS bursting at the seems doctors and nurses working 12 hour plus shifts etc etc etc
Housing short age because they build then let the wealthy buy them to rent out at extortionate rents
Brexit ?? What's all that about . They can't even sort that out
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"Have any prime ministers or politicians in your life made your life better ??
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Yes. Thatcher, Blair and Cameron made my life better.
Wilson and Major made it no better or worse.
Heath, Callaghan, Brown and May made it worse.
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My life's worse .longer hours less pay etc etc etc
And the countries in a mess
Cutbacks police fireman etc etc etc even they do 12 hour shifts
NHS bursting at the seems doctors and nurses working 12 hour plus shifts etc etc etc
Housing short age because they build then let the wealthy buy them to rent out at extortionate rents
Brexit ?? What's all that about . They can't even sort that out
Where's the quality of life for us ??"
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Have any prime ministers or politicians in your life made your life better ??
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My granny's favourite saying was "If you can't say anything nice about someone, don't say anything else."
I'll take her advice and say that Blair pushed the LGBT boundaries with civil partnerships and Cameron took the final step towards equality with same-sex marriage.
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"No deal Brexit
Fear for the poorest
You know what it's like to be poor John
As if their life's will change in the EU or out EU.
Unless someone can tell me otherwise?
He was born and brought up in Brixton... and not the Brixton of today
Irish brixton?
No Brixton, London. In a flat on Coldharbour Lane. His farther was a Circus Master. He's quite definitely was not born with a silver spoon in his mouth."
His father was a circus master, maybe John Major should have stayed in the family business and became a clown, oh I forgot, he already is one anyway. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"We are likely to see panic buying in the supermarkets and hoarding of food on a scale not seen since the supply of petrol ran out 15 or 20 years ago.
Not going to happen as the government has already revealed as part of its no deal preparations food such as tinned goods and processed food is already being stockpiled. Supermarkets will continue to be stocked as part of no deal preparations. You're also ignoring our own domestic produce and food we import from the rest of the world outside of the EU which is likely to be much cheaper than it is now under a no deal scenario as we'll be free to slash tariffs.
Can I ask you a genuine question... what do you do work wise?
Just because it feels like brexit isn’t going to affect you in any way shape or form, so I just wondered what the magical job was that was immune to any Brexit consequence
You bat away everything and everything is so rosy eyed in centy world... not one bad effect from brexit ever!
And this is why a remainer like Theresa May should not be running the country and delivering brexit. You just can't see any good in Brexit at all, you just see it as a damage limitation exercise. And what is it with the personal questions from remainers on this forum? CLCC has asked me what car I drive on a previous brexit thread and now you're asking what job I do. I'm not going to give away private personal information like that on a public forum. But as a hypothetical maybe I'm a fisherman who will be able to fish a bigger quota now we're leaving the EU Common fisheries policy and also supply more seafood for the UK market without having to import as much. See not every employer or employee will be looking at Brexit in a negative light like you and other remainers do, for some people Brexit is a great opportunity to better themselves.
You're clearly not a fisherman or, if you are, you're not a very well informed fisherman. The problem with British fisheries is not so much to do with the British quota assigned by the EU under CFP but more to do with the British Government allowing British fishers to sell their quotas outside of the UK. Those fishing rights will still be held by their current legal owners even when we've left the CFP. "
UK fishermen sell the majority of their fish abroad, what's the point of a bigger quota, if your biggest market has dried up? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"No deal Brexit
Fear for the poorest
You know what it's like to be poor John
As if their life's will change in the EU or out EU.
Unless someone can tell me otherwise?"
In answer to your original post then.
I think that John Major did know what it was like to be poor.
I don't think that he necessarily did a great deal about helping the poor when he was in power, but both he and Blair benefited from an international economic boom (driven by credit) which we have been paying for since 2008. They didn't actively need to do much as money was flowing through the economy.
Those governments, preceding ones and following ones have all served this country fairly badly one way or another. Education and training have been failing to equip the young and old with appropriate skills. There has been a failure to invest into the long term. Thinking based on the news cycle rather than the future of the nation. Infrastructure and social care/health are the most glaring examples. Although defence is also a clear blind spot.
The harder part is taking responsibility for our part in this. We elected them. We borrowed money that we don't have to by trinkets. We aspire to getting rich quickly as "celebrities" or financiers rather than slogging through the hard training to become engineers or scientists. That is on all of us.
The EU was not to blame for any of this nor will leaving solve it. At the most it could be argued that mass immigration exacerbated existing problems in some areas. Nothing more.
The poorest did think they had nothing to lose in voting to leave. Nothing else has helped and this would at least change things.
The irony is that it is the poorest that will suffer the most from Brexit.
There is full employment now but wages are barely rising. Jobs are already insecure and on zero hour contracts in the "gig economy". More exploitative than the mills.
Public services are running on a funding knife-edge still paid for by borrowing.
Corporations are still avoiding tax whilst workers are squeezed.
That is now.
Add the economic shock of Brexit and the next downturn in the global economic cycle whilst we are still trying to find our place in the world and the picture is not pretty.
This is, of course "moaning", but please point out what I have said that is in anyway outlandish.
The Brexit alternative is:
An easy trade deal with the EU
Easy trade deals on at least the same terms with 50 other countries plus Canada and Japan.
Easy trade deal on beneficial terms with the USA because they want to do us a favour and they won't see our trade surplus with them as a problem.
Removing all external tariffs on goods and produce from low wage economies whilst somehow having no effect on domestic producers.
Cost free or low cost setting up of regulatory bodies to replace those in the EU.
All international companies with European headquarters and manufacturing plants in the UK maintaining the same levels of investment or increasing them.
WTO tariffs whilst we work this out with no effect on trade.
Increasing spending on all public services.
The warm glow of being "in control".
Again, please indicate if any of these are not part of the Brexit promise.
On balance everyone except the rich will probably be poorer than they would have been for the next 30 years. Then we may be back to where we are now. In 50 years there may may not be a benefit bit we will have wasted 30 regardless.
In summary;
Will the lives of the poor improve inside the EU? Probably not, but that is because of our government and our attitudes.
Will the poor be better off outside the EU? Probably even worse off.
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Have any prime ministers or politicians in your life made your life better ??
My life's worse .longer hours less pay etc etc etc
And the countries in a mess
Cutbacks police fireman etc etc etc even they do 12 hour shifts
NHS bursting at the seems doctors and nurses working 12 hour plus shifts etc etc etc
Housing short age because they build then let the wealthy buy them to rent out at extortionate rents
Brexit ?? What's all that about . They can't even sort that out
Where's the quality of life for us ??"
I agree. It's just finding someone else to blame.
The EU, immigrants, Jews, Muslims, Catholics, "The West", Communism.
Does anyone genuinely believe that this is not something that has been used politically throughout history to either gain or maintain power?
I'm not sure how many politicians that are sufficiently ruthless to get into power bring the attitude of "how can we make people's lives better?"
That's what's necessary. Thus requires wishy, washy, liberal, snowflake kindness, humanity and strategic thinking. Often described as "being weak" and "boring". |
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"We are likely to see panic buying in the supermarkets and hoarding of food on a scale not seen since the supply of petrol ran out 15 or 20 years ago.
Not going to happen as the government has already revealed as part of its no deal preparations food such as tinned goods and processed food is already being stockpiled. Supermarkets will continue to be stocked as part of no deal preparations. You're also ignoring our own domestic produce and food we import from the rest of the world outside of the EU which is likely to be much cheaper than it is now under a no deal scenario as we'll be free to slash tariffs.
Can I ask you a genuine question... what do you do work wise?
Just because it feels like brexit isn’t going to affect you in any way shape or form, so I just wondered what the magical job was that was immune to any Brexit consequence
You bat away everything and everything is so rosy eyed in centy world... not one bad effect from brexit ever!
And this is why a remainer like Theresa May should not be running the country and delivering brexit. You just can't see any good in Brexit at all, you just see it as a damage limitation exercise. And what is it with the personal questions from remainers on this forum? CLCC has asked me what car I drive on a previous brexit thread and now you're asking what job I do. I'm not going to give away private personal information like that on a public forum. But as a hypothetical maybe I'm a fisherman who will be able to fish a bigger quota now we're leaving the EU Common fisheries policy and also supply more seafood for the UK market without having to import as much. See not every employer or employee will be looking at Brexit in a negative light like you and other remainers do, for some people Brexit is a great opportunity to better themselves.
You're clearly not a fisherman or, if you are, you're not a very well informed fisherman. The problem with British fisheries is not so much to do with the British quota assigned by the EU under CFP but more to do with the British Government allowing British fishers to sell their quotas outside of the UK. Those fishing rights will still be held by their current legal owners even when we've left the CFP. "
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"No deal Brexit
Fear for the poorest
You know what it's like to be poor John
As if their life's will change in the EU or out EU.
Unless someone can tell me otherwise?
In answer to your original post then.
I think that John Major did know what it was like to be poor.
I don't think that he necessarily did a great deal about helping the poor when he was in power, but both he and Blair benefited from an international economic boom (driven by credit) which we have been paying for since 2008. They didn't actively need to do much as money was flowing through the economy.
Those governments, preceding ones and following ones have all served this country fairly badly one way or another. Education and training have been failing to equip the young and old with appropriate skills. There has been a failure to invest into the long term. Thinking based on the news cycle rather than the future of the nation. Infrastructure and social care/health are the most glaring examples. Although defence is also a clear blind spot.
The harder part is taking responsibility for our part in this. We elected them. We borrowed money that we don't have to by trinkets. We aspire to getting rich quickly as "celebrities" or financiers rather than slogging through the hard training to become engineers or scientists. That is on all of us.
The EU was not to blame for any of this nor will leaving solve it. At the most it could be argued that mass immigration exacerbated existing problems in some areas. Nothing more.
The poorest did think they had nothing to lose in voting to leave. Nothing else has helped and this would at least change things.
The irony is that it is the poorest that will suffer the most from Brexit.
There is full employment now but wages are barely rising. Jobs are already insecure and on zero hour contracts in the "gig economy". More exploitative than the mills.
Public services are running on a funding knife-edge still paid for by borrowing.
Corporations are still avoiding tax whilst workers are squeezed.
That is now.
Add the economic shock of Brexit and the next downturn in the global economic cycle whilst we are still trying to find our place in the world and the picture is not pretty.
This is, of course "moaning", but please point out what I have said that is in anyway outlandish.
The Brexit alternative is:
An easy trade deal with the EU
Easy trade deals on at least the same terms with 50 other countries plus Canada and Japan.
Easy trade deal on beneficial terms with the USA because they want to do us a favour and they won't see our trade surplus with them as a problem.
Removing all external tariffs on goods and produce from low wage economies whilst somehow having no effect on domestic producers.
Cost free or low cost setting up of regulatory bodies to replace those in the EU.
All international companies with European headquarters and manufacturing plants in the UK maintaining the same levels of investment or increasing them.
WTO tariffs whilst we work this out with no effect on trade.
Increasing spending on all public services.
The warm glow of being "in control".
Again, please indicate if any of these are not part of the Brexit promise.
On balance everyone except the rich will probably be poorer than they would have been for the next 30 years. Then we may be back to where we are now. In 50 years there may may not be a benefit bit we will have wasted 30 regardless.
In summary;
Will the lives of the poor improve inside the EU? Probably not, but that is because of our government and our attitudes.
Will the poor be better off outside the EU? Probably even worse off.
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A good rational response but we won't have to wait long to find out. One area you missed was those people leading the fight - JRM - millionaire so it's not going to affect him. BJ - again well off - he may be a millionaire - but in a job where he is going to keep his salary of £75k plus ex's and gold plated pension - not to mention the £275k telegraph column! Politicians aren't going to rock the boat either for same reasons - secure salary & pensions.
Poor old Bob working in a factory on a basic wage believes the "rich elites" and is following them - he's the one who will suffer!
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"I saw the John Major interview yesterday. He came over as knowledgeable, tempered in his arguments and respectful of the views of others.
I respect his viewpoint, and others less tolerant, should take a moment to listen.
This.. ?? "
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By *essiCouple
over a year ago
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"I saw the John Major interview yesterday. He came over as knowledgeable, tempered in his arguments and respectful of the views of others.
I respect his viewpoint, and others less tolerant, should take a moment to listen.
This.. ??
Ignore the question marks..
Bloody fingers "
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"We are likely to see panic buying in the supermarkets and hoarding of food on a scale not seen since the supply of petrol ran out 15 or 20 years ago.
Not going to happen as the government has already revealed as part of its no deal preparations food such as tinned goods and processed food is already being stockpiled. Supermarkets will continue to be stocked as part of no deal preparations. You're also ignoring our own domestic produce and food we import from the rest of the world outside of the EU which is likely to be much cheaper than it is now under a no deal scenario as we'll be free to slash tariffs.
Can I ask you a genuine question... what do you do work wise?
Just because it feels like brexit isn’t going to affect you in any way shape or form, so I just wondered what the magical job was that was immune to any Brexit consequence
You bat away everything and everything is so rosy eyed in centy world... not one bad effect from brexit ever!
And this is why a remainer like Theresa May should not be running the country and delivering brexit. You just can't see any good in Brexit at all, you just see it as a damage limitation exercise. And what is it with the personal questions from remainers on this forum? CLCC has asked me what car I drive on a previous brexit thread and now you're asking what job I do. I'm not going to give away private personal information like that on a public forum. But as a hypothetical maybe I'm a fisherman who will be able to fish a bigger quota now we're leaving the EU Common fisheries policy and also supply more seafood for the UK market without having to import as much. See not every employer or employee will be looking at Brexit in a negative light like you and other remainers do, for some people Brexit is a great opportunity to better themselves.
You're clearly not a fisherman or, if you are, you're not a very well informed fisherman. The problem with British fisheries is not so much to do with the British quota assigned by the EU under CFP but more to do with the British Government allowing British fishers to sell their quotas outside of the UK. Those fishing rights will still be held by their current legal owners even when we've left the EU "
You are the one who seems to be misinformed here. When those contracts were signed we were a member of the EU and signed up to the CFP. Now with such a fundamental change in the terms of agreement that Brexit will bring from those fishing rights contracts they will in effect become null and void with Brexit. Those contracts will have to be renegotiated on different terms, with the new likely terms being bigger Quotas for UK fishermen. The people who bought fishing rights can't now expect to fish bigger quotas for the same old price on the old contracts. UK fishermen will either decide to fish the bigger quotas themselves and make bigger profits or if they decide to sell their fishing rights then old contracts will have to be renegotiated to take in to account new bigger quotas, and the Price of those new fishing rights will go up in price significantly to reflect the bigger quotas. It's a win/win situation for UK fishermen, they can't lose and will see increased revenue in either situation. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"We are likely to see panic buying in the supermarkets and hoarding of food on a scale not seen since the supply of petrol ran out 15 or 20 years ago.
Not going to happen as the government has already revealed as part of its no deal preparations food such as tinned goods and processed food is already being stockpiled. Supermarkets will continue to be stocked as part of no deal preparations. You're also ignoring our own domestic produce and food we import from the rest of the world outside of the EU which is likely to be much cheaper than it is now under a no deal scenario as we'll be free to slash tariffs.
Can I ask you a genuine question... what do you do work wise?
Just because it feels like brexit isn’t going to affect you in any way shape or form, so I just wondered what the magical job was that was immune to any Brexit consequence
You bat away everything and everything is so rosy eyed in centy world... not one bad effect from brexit ever!
And this is why a remainer like Theresa May should not be running the country and delivering brexit. You just can't see any good in Brexit at all, you just see it as a damage limitation exercise. And what is it with the personal questions from remainers on this forum? CLCC has asked me what car I drive on a previous brexit thread and now you're asking what job I do. I'm not going to give away private personal information like that on a public forum. But as a hypothetical maybe I'm a fisherman who will be able to fish a bigger quota now we're leaving the EU Common fisheries policy and also supply more seafood for the UK market without having to import as much. See not every employer or employee will be looking at Brexit in a negative light like you and other remainers do, for some people Brexit is a great opportunity to better themselves.
You're clearly not a fisherman or, if you are, you're not a very well informed fisherman. The problem with British fisheries is not so much to do with the British quota assigned by the EU under CFP but more to do with the British Government allowing British fishers to sell their quotas outside of the UK. Those fishing rights will still be held by their current legal owners even when we've left the EU
You are the one who seems to be misinformed here. When those contracts were signed we were a member of the EU and signed up to the CFP. Now with such a fundamental change in the terms of agreement that Brexit will bring from those fishing rights contracts they will in effect become null and void with Brexit. Those contracts will have to be renegotiated on different terms, with the new likely terms being bigger Quotas for UK fishermen. The people who bought fishing rights can't now expect to fish bigger quotas for the same old price on the old contracts. UK fishermen will either decide to fish the bigger quotas themselves and make bigger profits or if they decide to sell their fishing rights then old contracts will have to be renegotiated to take in to account new bigger quotas, and the Price of those new fishing rights will go up in price significantly to reflect the bigger quotas. It's a win/win situation for UK fishermen, they can't lose and will see increased revenue in either situation. "
You just made that up Centaur. In your head.
Brexit does not make contracts of sale invalid.
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"We are likely to see panic buying in the supermarkets and hoarding of food on a scale not seen since the supply of petrol ran out 15 or 20 years ago.
Not going to happen as the government has already revealed as part of its no deal preparations food such as tinned goods and processed food is already being stockpiled. Supermarkets will continue to be stocked as part of no deal preparations. You're also ignoring our own domestic produce and food we import from the rest of the world outside of the EU which is likely to be much cheaper than it is now under a no deal scenario as we'll be free to slash tariffs.
Can I ask you a genuine question... what do you do work wise?
Just because it feels like brexit isn’t going to affect you in any way shape or form, so I just wondered what the magical job was that was immune to any Brexit consequence
You bat away everything and everything is so rosy eyed in centy world... not one bad effect from brexit ever!
And this is why a remainer like Theresa May should not be running the country and delivering brexit. You just can't see any good in Brexit at all, you just see it as a damage limitation exercise. And what is it with the personal questions from remainers on this forum? CLCC has asked me what car I drive on a previous brexit thread and now you're asking what job I do. I'm not going to give away private personal information like that on a public forum. But as a hypothetical maybe I'm a fisherman who will be able to fish a bigger quota now we're leaving the EU Common fisheries policy and also supply more seafood for the UK market without having to import as much. See not every employer or employee will be looking at Brexit in a negative light like you and other remainers do, for some people Brexit is a great opportunity to better themselves.
You're clearly not a fisherman or, if you are, you're not a very well informed fisherman. The problem with British fisheries is not so much to do with the British quota assigned by the EU under CFP but more to do with the British Government allowing British fishers to sell their quotas outside of the UK. Those fishing rights will still be held by their current legal owners even when we've left the EU
You are the one who seems to be misinformed here. When those contracts were signed we were a member of the EU and signed up to the CFP. Now with such a fundamental change in the terms of agreement that Brexit will bring from those fishing rights contracts they will in effect become null and void with Brexit. Those contracts will have to be renegotiated on different terms, with the new likely terms being bigger Quotas for UK fishermen. The people who bought fishing rights can't now expect to fish bigger quotas for the same old price on the old contracts. UK fishermen will either decide to fish the bigger quotas themselves and make bigger profits or if they decide to sell their fishing rights then old contracts will have to be renegotiated to take in to account new bigger quotas, and the Price of those new fishing rights will go up in price significantly to reflect the bigger quotas. It's a win/win situation for UK fishermen, they can't lose and will see increased revenue in either situation.
You just made that up Centaur. In your head.
Brexit does not make contracts of sale invalid.
Go and have a little think. Then go and do a little research. Then come back and tell us what you've found."
Let’s suppose the contract can be nullified through leaving the Eu ? Will they be recompensed ? Who pays ?
And if they don’t who will enter contracts with the UK whereby such contracts will be nullified at their cost? |
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"We are likely to see panic buying in the supermarkets and hoarding of food on a scale not seen since the supply of petrol ran out 15 or 20 years ago.
Not going to happen as the government has already revealed as part of its no deal preparations food such as tinned goods and processed food is already being stockpiled. Supermarkets will continue to be stocked as part of no deal preparations. You're also ignoring our own domestic produce and food we import from the rest of the world outside of the EU which is likely to be much cheaper than it is now under a no deal scenario as we'll be free to slash tariffs.
Can I ask you a genuine question... what do you do work wise?
Just because it feels like brexit isn’t going to affect you in any way shape or form, so I just wondered what the magical job was that was immune to any Brexit consequence
You bat away everything and everything is so rosy eyed in centy world... not one bad effect from brexit ever!
And this is why a remainer like Theresa May should not be running the country and delivering brexit. You just can't see any good in Brexit at all, you just see it as a damage limitation exercise. And what is it with the personal questions from remainers on this forum? CLCC has asked me what car I drive on a previous brexit thread and now you're asking what job I do. I'm not going to give away private personal information like that on a public forum. But as a hypothetical maybe I'm a fisherman who will be able to fish a bigger quota now we're leaving the EU Common fisheries policy and also supply more seafood for the UK market without having to import as much. See not every employer or employee will be looking at Brexit in a negative light like you and other remainers do, for some people Brexit is a great opportunity to better themselves.
You're clearly not a fisherman or, if you are, you're not a very well informed fisherman. The problem with British fisheries is not so much to do with the British quota assigned by the EU under CFP but more to do with the British Government allowing British fishers to sell their quotas outside of the UK. Those fishing rights will still be held by their current legal owners even when we've left the EU
You are the one who seems to be misinformed here. When those contracts were signed we were a member of the EU and signed up to the CFP. Now with such a fundamental change in the terms of agreement that Brexit will bring from those fishing rights contracts they will in effect become null and void with Brexit. Those contracts will have to be renegotiated on different terms, with the new likely terms being bigger Quotas for UK fishermen. The people who bought fishing rights can't now expect to fish bigger quotas for the same old price on the old contracts. UK fishermen will either decide to fish the bigger quotas themselves and make bigger profits or if they decide to sell their fishing rights then old contracts will have to be renegotiated to take in to account new bigger quotas, and the Price of those new fishing rights will go up in price significantly to reflect the bigger quotas. It's a win/win situation for UK fishermen, they can't lose and will see increased revenue in either situation.
You just made that up Centaur. In your head.
Brexit does not make contracts of sale invalid.
Go and have a little think. Then go and do a little research. Then come back and tell us what you've found."
Yawn, same old, same old refusal to acknowledge the facts from remoaners like you. The terms of old contracts will change now with Brexit. Brexit will bring fundamental change to the terms and conditions of those old contracts, the biggest change now being bigger quotas for the UK. The price of old fishing rights can not now apply to bigger quotas. You think otherwise then we shall see who is right in the fullness of time after Brexit. If there is dispute about this from either side of contract holders then I'm pretty sure lawyer's will be involved on both sides, as I said we shall see who is right after lawyers have had their say in matters concerning this.
As for UK fishermen who have not sold their fishing rights and still fish UK waters, then they will enjoy bigger quotas and bigger profits after Brexit. |
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over a year ago
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"We are likely to see panic buying in the supermarkets and hoarding of food on a scale not seen since the supply of petrol ran out 15 or 20 years ago.
Not going to happen as the government has already revealed as part of its no deal preparations food such as tinned goods and processed food is already being stockpiled. Supermarkets will continue to be stocked as part of no deal preparations. You're also ignoring our own domestic produce and food we import from the rest of the world outside of the EU which is likely to be much cheaper than it is now under a no deal scenario as we'll be free to slash tariffs.
Can I ask you a genuine question... what do you do work wise?
Just because it feels like brexit isn’t going to affect you in any way shape or form, so I just wondered what the magical job was that was immune to any Brexit consequence
You bat away everything and everything is so rosy eyed in centy world... not one bad effect from brexit ever!
And this is why a remainer like Theresa May should not be running the country and delivering brexit. You just can't see any good in Brexit at all, you just see it as a damage limitation exercise. And what is it with the personal questions from remainers on this forum? CLCC has asked me what car I drive on a previous brexit thread and now you're asking what job I do. I'm not going to give away private personal information like that on a public forum. But as a hypothetical maybe I'm a fisherman who will be able to fish a bigger quota now we're leaving the EU Common fisheries policy and also supply more seafood for the UK market without having to import as much. See not every employer or employee will be looking at Brexit in a negative light like you and other remainers do, for some people Brexit is a great opportunity to better themselves.
You're clearly not a fisherman or, if you are, you're not a very well informed fisherman. The problem with British fisheries is not so much to do with the British quota assigned by the EU under CFP but more to do with the British Government allowing British fishers to sell their quotas outside of the UK. Those fishing rights will still be held by their current legal owners even when we've left the EU
You are the one who seems to be misinformed here. When those contracts were signed we were a member of the EU and signed up to the CFP. Now with such a fundamental change in the terms of agreement that Brexit will bring from those fishing rights contracts they will in effect become null and void with Brexit. Those contracts will have to be renegotiated on different terms, with the new likely terms being bigger Quotas for UK fishermen. The people who bought fishing rights can't now expect to fish bigger quotas for the same old price on the old contracts. UK fishermen will either decide to fish the bigger quotas themselves and make bigger profits or if they decide to sell their fishing rights then old contracts will have to be renegotiated to take in to account new bigger quotas, and the Price of those new fishing rights will go up in price significantly to reflect the bigger quotas. It's a win/win situation for UK fishermen, they can't lose and will see increased revenue in either situation.
You just made that up Centaur. In your head.
Brexit does not make contracts of sale invalid.
Go and have a little think. Then go and do a little research. Then come back and tell us what you've found.
Yawn, same old, same old refusal to acknowledge the facts from remoaners like you. The terms of old contracts will change now with Brexit. Brexit will bring fundamental change to the terms and conditions of those old contracts, the biggest change now being bigger quotas for the UK. The price of old fishing rights can not now apply to bigger quotas. You think otherwise then we shall see who is right in the fullness of time after Brexit. If there is dispute about this from either side of contract holders then I'm pretty sure lawyer's will be involved on both sides, as I said we shall see who is right after lawyers have had their say in matters concerning this.
As for UK fishermen who have not sold their fishing rights and still fish UK waters, then they will enjoy bigger quotas and bigger profits after Brexit. "
Centaur, you did not think and you did not do any research did you?
It is not a fact just because you say so, but bless you for your persistence in perpetuating your side's story. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"We are likely to see panic buying in the supermarkets and hoarding of food on a scale not seen since the supply of petrol ran out 15 or 20 years ago.
Not going to happen as the government has already revealed as part of its no deal preparations food such as tinned goods and processed food is already being stockpiled. Supermarkets will continue to be stocked as part of no deal preparations. You're also ignoring our own domestic produce and food we import from the rest of the world outside of the EU which is likely to be much cheaper than it is now under a no deal scenario as we'll be free to slash tariffs.
Can I ask you a genuine question... what do you do work wise?
Just because it feels like brexit isn’t going to affect you in any way shape or form, so I just wondered what the magical job was that was immune to any Brexit consequence
You bat away everything and everything is so rosy eyed in centy world... not one bad effect from brexit ever!
And this is why a remainer like Theresa May should not be running the country and delivering brexit. You just can't see any good in Brexit at all, you just see it as a damage limitation exercise. And what is it with the personal questions from remainers on this forum? CLCC has asked me what car I drive on a previous brexit thread and now you're asking what job I do. I'm not going to give away private personal information like that on a public forum. But as a hypothetical maybe I'm a fisherman who will be able to fish a bigger quota now we're leaving the EU Common fisheries policy and also supply more seafood for the UK market without having to import as much. See not every employer or employee will be looking at Brexit in a negative light like you and other remainers do, for some people Brexit is a great opportunity to better themselves.
You're clearly not a fisherman or, if you are, you're not a very well informed fisherman. The problem with British fisheries is not so much to do with the British quota assigned by the EU under CFP but more to do with the British Government allowing British fishers to sell their quotas outside of the UK. Those fishing rights will still be held by their current legal owners even when we've left the EU
You are the one who seems to be misinformed here. When those contracts were signed we were a member of the EU and signed up to the CFP. Now with such a fundamental change in the terms of agreement that Brexit will bring from those fishing rights contracts they will in effect become null and void with Brexit. Those contracts will have to be renegotiated on different terms, with the new likely terms being bigger Quotas for UK fishermen. The people who bought fishing rights can't now expect to fish bigger quotas for the same old price on the old contracts. UK fishermen will either decide to fish the bigger quotas themselves and make bigger profits or if they decide to sell their fishing rights then old contracts will have to be renegotiated to take in to account new bigger quotas, and the Price of those new fishing rights will go up in price significantly to reflect the bigger quotas. It's a win/win situation for UK fishermen, they can't lose and will see increased revenue in either situation.
You just made that up Centaur. In your head.
Brexit does not make contracts of sale invalid.
Go and have a little think. Then go and do a little research. Then come back and tell us what you've found.
Let’s suppose the contract can be nullified through leaving the Eu ? Will they be recompensed ? Who pays ?
And if they don’t who will enter contracts with the UK whereby such contracts will be nullified at their cost?"
This is exactly Trump's, or rather the USA's problem. At least they can bully others with economic and military power. We don't have that luxury. |
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"Now with such a fundamental change in the terms of agreement that Brexit will bring from those fishing rights contracts they will in effect become null and void with Brexit. "
You've been in the sun too long |
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"We are likely to see panic buying in the supermarkets and hoarding of food on a scale not seen since the supply of petrol ran out 15 or 20 years ago.
Not going to happen as the government has already revealed as part of its no deal preparations food such as tinned goods and processed food is already being stockpiled. Supermarkets will continue to be stocked as part of no deal preparations. You're also ignoring our own domestic produce and food we import from the rest of the world outside of the EU which is likely to be much cheaper than it is now under a no deal scenario as we'll be free to slash tariffs.
Can I ask you a genuine question... what do you do work wise?
Just because it feels like brexit isn’t going to affect you in any way shape or form, so I just wondered what the magical job was that was immune to any Brexit consequence
You bat away everything and everything is so rosy eyed in centy world... not one bad effect from brexit ever!
And this is why a remainer like Theresa May should not be running the country and delivering brexit. You just can't see any good in Brexit at all, you just see it as a damage limitation exercise. And what is it with the personal questions from remainers on this forum? CLCC has asked me what car I drive on a previous brexit thread and now you're asking what job I do. I'm not going to give away private personal information like that on a public forum. But as a hypothetical maybe I'm a fisherman who will be able to fish a bigger quota now we're leaving the EU Common fisheries policy and also supply more seafood for the UK market without having to import as much. See not every employer or employee will be looking at Brexit in a negative light like you and other remainers do, for some people Brexit is a great opportunity to better themselves.
You're clearly not a fisherman or, if you are, you're not a very well informed fisherman. The problem with British fisheries is not so much to do with the British quota assigned by the EU under CFP but more to do with the British Government allowing British fishers to sell their quotas outside of the UK. Those fishing rights will still be held by their current legal owners even when we've left the EU
You are the one who seems to be misinformed here. When those contracts were signed we were a member of the EU and signed up to the CFP. Now with such a fundamental change in the terms of agreement that Brexit will bring from those fishing rights contracts they will in effect become null and void with Brexit. Those contracts will have to be renegotiated on different terms, with the new likely terms being bigger Quotas for UK fishermen. The people who bought fishing rights can't now expect to fish bigger quotas for the same old price on the old contracts. UK fishermen will either decide to fish the bigger quotas themselves and make bigger profits or if they decide to sell their fishing rights then old contracts will have to be renegotiated to take in to account new bigger quotas, and the Price of those new fishing rights will go up in price significantly to reflect the bigger quotas. It's a win/win situation for UK fishermen, they can't lose and will see increased revenue in either situation.
You just made that up Centaur. In your head.
Brexit does not make contracts of sale invalid.
Go and have a little think. Then go and do a little research. Then come back and tell us what you've found.
Yawn, same old, same old refusal to acknowledge the facts from remoaners like you. The terms of old contracts will change now with Brexit. Brexit will bring fundamental change to the terms and conditions of those old contracts, the biggest change now being bigger quotas for the UK. The price of old fishing rights can not now apply to bigger quotas. You think otherwise then we shall see who is right in the fullness of time after Brexit. If there is dispute about this from either side of contract holders then I'm pretty sure lawyer's will be involved on both sides, as I said we shall see who is right after lawyers have had their say in matters concerning this.
As for UK fishermen who have not sold their fishing rights and still fish UK waters, then they will enjoy bigger quotas and bigger profits after Brexit. "
Why would our quota be bigger after BREXIT? Unless you're suggesting that, after BREXIT, we're going to over fish our grounds, in which case any BREXIT fishing dividend will be pretty short lived. |
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Meanwhile in the real world of the wholesale of food and drink, nothing has changed. Indeed it pains me to say that every day I am forced to throw out of date stock into the skip. From bread to baby milk, it’s outrageous. But rules are rules, right? Hopefully there will be some positive changes after we leave the EU. So that we are not forced to throw perfectly good food away because of a number. Sure bread cannot be saved, but a great number of other things that end up in the skip can.
The only panic buying I have witnessed is the stockpiling of drinks on the run up to Brighton Pride! |
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"We are likely to see panic buying in the supermarkets and hoarding of food on a scale not seen since the supply of petrol ran out 15 or 20 years ago.
Not going to happen as the government has already revealed as part of its no deal preparations food such as tinned goods and processed food is already being stockpiled. Supermarkets will continue to be stocked as part of no deal preparations. You're also ignoring our own domestic produce and food we import from the rest of the world outside of the EU which is likely to be much cheaper than it is now under a no deal scenario as we'll be free to slash tariffs.
Can I ask you a genuine question... what do you do work wise?
Just because it feels like brexit isn’t going to affect you in any way shape or form, so I just wondered what the magical job was that was immune to any Brexit consequence
You bat away everything and everything is so rosy eyed in centy world... not one bad effect from brexit ever!
And this is why a remainer like Theresa May should not be running the country and delivering brexit. You just can't see any good in Brexit at all, you just see it as a damage limitation exercise. And what is it with the personal questions from remainers on this forum? CLCC has asked me what car I drive on a previous brexit thread and now you're asking what job I do. I'm not going to give away private personal information like that on a public forum. But as a hypothetical maybe I'm a fisherman who will be able to fish a bigger quota now we're leaving the EU Common fisheries policy and also supply more seafood for the UK market without having to import as much. See not every employer or employee will be looking at Brexit in a negative light like you and other remainers do, for some people Brexit is a great opportunity to better themselves.
You're clearly not a fisherman or, if you are, you're not a very well informed fisherman. The problem with British fisheries is not so much to do with the British quota assigned by the EU under CFP but more to do with the British Government allowing British fishers to sell their quotas outside of the UK. Those fishing rights will still be held by their current legal owners even when we've left the EU
You are the one who seems to be misinformed here. When those contracts were signed we were a member of the EU and signed up to the CFP. Now with such a fundamental change in the terms of agreement that Brexit will bring from those fishing rights contracts they will in effect become null and void with Brexit. Those contracts will have to be renegotiated on different terms, with the new likely terms being bigger Quotas for UK fishermen. The people who bought fishing rights can't now expect to fish bigger quotas for the same old price on the old contracts. UK fishermen will either decide to fish the bigger quotas themselves and make bigger profits or if they decide to sell their fishing rights then old contracts will have to be renegotiated to take in to account new bigger quotas, and the Price of those new fishing rights will go up in price significantly to reflect the bigger quotas. It's a win/win situation for UK fishermen, they can't lose and will see increased revenue in either situation.
You just made that up Centaur. In your head.
Brexit does not make contracts of sale invalid.
Go and have a little think. Then go and do a little research. Then come back and tell us what you've found.
Yawn, same old, same old refusal to acknowledge the facts from remoaners like you. The terms of old contracts will change now with Brexit. Brexit will bring fundamental change to the terms and conditions of those old contracts, the biggest change now being bigger quotas for the UK. The price of old fishing rights can not now apply to bigger quotas. You think otherwise then we shall see who is right in the fullness of time after Brexit. If there is dispute about this from either side of contract holders then I'm pretty sure lawyer's will be involved on both sides, as I said we shall see who is right after lawyers have had their say in matters concerning this.
As for UK fishermen who have not sold their fishing rights and still fish UK waters, then they will enjoy bigger quotas and bigger profits after Brexit.
Why would our quota be bigger after BREXIT? Unless you're suggesting that, after BREXIT, we're going to over fish our grounds, in which case any BREXIT fishing dividend will be pretty short lived."
It's not a case of overfishing. It's more a case of giving other countries smaller quotas to increase quotas for UK fishermen. |
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"Meanwhile in the real world of the wholesale of food and drink, nothing has changed. Indeed it pains me to say that every day I am forced to throw out of date stock into the skip. From bread to baby milk, it’s outrageous. But rules are rules, right? Hopefully there will be some positive changes after we leave the EU. So that we are not forced to throw perfectly good food away because of a number. Sure bread cannot be saved, but a great number of other things that end up in the skip can.
The only panic buying I have witnessed is the stockpiling of drinks on the run up to Brighton Pride!"
Yet “France's war on waste makes it most food sustainable country” (source Reuters). Are those pesky French flouting an Eu law ? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"We are likely to see panic buying in the supermarkets and hoarding of food on a scale not seen since the supply of petrol ran out 15 or 20 years ago.
Not going to happen as the government has already revealed as part of its no deal preparations food such as tinned goods and processed food is already being stockpiled. Supermarkets will continue to be stocked as part of no deal preparations. You're also ignoring our own domestic produce and food we import from the rest of the world outside of the EU which is likely to be much cheaper than it is now under a no deal scenario as we'll be free to slash tariffs.
Can I ask you a genuine question... what do you do work wise?
Just because it feels like brexit isn’t going to affect you in any way shape or form, so I just wondered what the magical job was that was immune to any Brexit consequence
You bat away everything and everything is so rosy eyed in centy world... not one bad effect from brexit ever!
And this is why a remainer like Theresa May should not be running the country and delivering brexit. You just can't see any good in Brexit at all, you just see it as a damage limitation exercise. And what is it with the personal questions from remainers on this forum? CLCC has asked me what car I drive on a previous brexit thread and now you're asking what job I do. I'm not going to give away private personal information like that on a public forum. But as a hypothetical maybe I'm a fisherman who will be able to fish a bigger quota now we're leaving the EU Common fisheries policy and also supply more seafood for the UK market without having to import as much. See not every employer or employee will be looking at Brexit in a negative light like you and other remainers do, for some people Brexit is a great opportunity to better themselves.
You're clearly not a fisherman or, if you are, you're not a very well informed fisherman. The problem with British fisheries is not so much to do with the British quota assigned by the EU under CFP but more to do with the British Government allowing British fishers to sell their quotas outside of the UK. Those fishing rights will still be held by their current legal owners even when we've left the EU
You are the one who seems to be misinformed here. When those contracts were signed we were a member of the EU and signed up to the CFP. Now with such a fundamental change in the terms of agreement that Brexit will bring from those fishing rights contracts they will in effect become null and void with Brexit. Those contracts will have to be renegotiated on different terms, with the new likely terms being bigger Quotas for UK fishermen. The people who bought fishing rights can't now expect to fish bigger quotas for the same old price on the old contracts. UK fishermen will either decide to fish the bigger quotas themselves and make bigger profits or if they decide to sell their fishing rights then old contracts will have to be renegotiated to take in to account new bigger quotas, and the Price of those new fishing rights will go up in price significantly to reflect the bigger quotas. It's a win/win situation for UK fishermen, they can't lose and will see increased revenue in either situation.
You just made that up Centaur. In your head.
Brexit does not make contracts of sale invalid.
Go and have a little think. Then go and do a little research. Then come back and tell us what you've found.
Yawn, same old, same old refusal to acknowledge the facts from remoaners like you. The terms of old contracts will change now with Brexit. Brexit will bring fundamental change to the terms and conditions of those old contracts, the biggest change now being bigger quotas for the UK. The price of old fishing rights can not now apply to bigger quotas. You think otherwise then we shall see who is right in the fullness of time after Brexit. If there is dispute about this from either side of contract holders then I'm pretty sure lawyer's will be involved on both sides, as I said we shall see who is right after lawyers have had their say in matters concerning this.
As for UK fishermen who have not sold their fishing rights and still fish UK waters, then they will enjoy bigger quotas and bigger profits after Brexit.
Why would our quota be bigger after BREXIT? Unless you're suggesting that, after BREXIT, we're going to over fish our grounds, in which case any BREXIT fishing dividend will be pretty short lived.
It's not a case of overfishing. It's more a case of giving other countries smaller quotas to increase quotas for UK fishermen. "
You do understand that there are not "British fish for British fishermen"? The fish go where they want so we will have to negotiate the catch so as not to collapse fish stocks.
I would be interested to know if you acknowledge that British fishermen chose to sell their fishing rights for profit. If that is true then why is it anyone's fault but their own?
I'm also interested to know why fishermen should benefit from protection when you want to expose farmers and manufacturers to low-cost international competition by unilaterally removing all tariff barriers? |
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