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An Opinium opinion poll in tomorrow's newspapers just shown on sky news press preview has revealed the Tories have been hemorrhaging support ever since the Chequers plan was revealed last Weekend. Leave voters are now deserting the Conservative party and flocking to support Ukip. The tories had a clear poll lead last month on 42% but have now dropped to 36% since the chequers deal was announced last weekend. Labour are now in the lead on 40%.
Support for Ukip has shot up in the last week since the chequers betrayal from 3% to 8%. 
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"Great to see the Right vote split to allow room for Labour 
Wasn't the right vote split between the tories and Ukip in the 2015 general election? Cameron won with a majority didn't he, lol. "
UKIP didn't win a single seat, they can't have had many people stupid enough to vote for those losers again. |
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"Great to see the Right vote split to allow room for Labour
Wasn't the right vote split between the tories and Ukip in the 2015 general election? Cameron won with a majority didn't he, lol.
UKIP didn't win a single seat, they can't have had many people stupid enough to vote for those losers again. "
Wrong. Ukip won Clacton in the 2015 general election with Douglas Carswell.
Ukip had also previously held the seat of Rochester with Mark Reckless. So Ukip have had 2 MP's in Parliament.
Ukip also won the last MEP elections in the UK, returning more MEP's than any other party. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"Great to see the Right vote split to allow room for Labour
Wasn't the right vote split between the tories and Ukip in the 2015 general election? Cameron won with a majority didn't he, lol.
UKIP didn't win a single seat, they can't have had many people stupid enough to vote for those losers again.
Wrong. Ukip won Clacton in the 2015 general election with Douglas Carswell.
Ukip had also previously held the seat of Rochester with Mark Reckless. So Ukip have had 2 MP's in Parliament.
Ukip also won the last MEP elections in the UK, returning more MEP's than any other party. "
UKIP have ZERO MPs |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
I saw UKIP joining in the thuggish "Free Tommy Robinson" demo yesterday.
UKIP, Tommy Robinson, Donald Trump - peas from the same pod.
Please keep it up. You begin to make Jeremy Corbyn seem like the moderate choice.
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over a year ago
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"Great to see the Right vote split to allow room for Labour
Wasn't the right vote split between the tories and Ukip in the 2015 general election? Cameron won with a majority didn't he, lol.
UKIP didn't win a single seat, they can't have had many people stupid enough to vote for those losers again.
Wrong. Ukip won Clacton in the 2015 general election with Douglas Carswell.
Ukip had also previously held the seat of Rochester with Mark Reckless. So Ukip have had 2 MP's in Parliament.
Ukip also won the last MEP elections in the UK, returning more MEP's than any other party. "
Reckless (a brilliant name for an MP) - defected to Ukip he lost when he contested the seat!
I would suggest you look at the referendum voting paper again. The question was leave or remain - no other options or variants! We are leaving the EU - the will of the people - and therefore May has delivered on the vote - FACT! |
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"Great to see the Right vote split to allow room for Labour
Wasn't the right vote split between the tories and Ukip in the 2015 general election? Cameron won with a majority didn't he, lol.
UKIP didn't win a single seat, they can't have had many people stupid enough to vote for those losers again.
Wrong. Ukip won Clacton in the 2015 general election with Douglas Carswell.
Ukip had also previously held the seat of Rochester with Mark Reckless. So Ukip have had 2 MP's in Parliament.
Ukip also won the last MEP elections in the UK, returning more MEP's than any other party.
Reckless (a brilliant name for an MP) - defected to Ukip he lost when he contested the seat!
I would suggest you look at the referendum voting paper again. The question was leave or remain - no other options or variants! We are leaving the EU - the will of the people - and therefore May has delivered on the vote - FACT!"
It's funny that no one ever picked fun out of Mark Reckless name when he was a Tory MP?
Anyway Mark Reckless did win the Rochester seat in a by-election. Yes he defected from the tories to ukip but when he defected he stood down as a tory MP. A by-election was called and Mark Reckless won the seat by majority vote as a Ukip candidate. He was elected by the people of Rochester for ukip. |
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By *athy1Couple
over a year ago
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"Great to see the Right vote split to allow room for Labour
Wasn't the right vote split between the tories and Ukip in the 2015 general election? Cameron won with a majority didn't he, lol.
UKIP didn't win a single seat, they can't have had many people stupid enough to vote for those losers again.
Wrong. Ukip won Clacton in the 2015 general election with Douglas Carswell.
Ukip had also previously held the seat of Rochester with Mark Reckless. So Ukip have had 2 MP's in Parliament.
Ukip also won the last MEP elections in the UK, returning more MEP's than any other party.
Reckless (a brilliant name for an MP) - defected to Ukip he lost when he contested the seat!
I would suggest you look at the referendum voting paper again. The question was leave or remain - no other options or variants! We are leaving the EU - the will of the people - and therefore May has delivered on the vote - FACT!
It's funny that no one ever picked fun out of Mark Reckless name when he was a Tory MP?
Anyway Mark Reckless did win the Rochester seat in a by-election. Yes he defected from the tories to ukip but when he defected he stood down as a tory MP. A by-election was called and Mark Reckless won the seat by majority vote as a Ukip candidate. He was elected by the people of Rochester for ukip. "
Reckless for UKIP god help us
Reckless name for a reckless party
There finished the sooner you get over it you may sleep better at night worrying about your beloved farage and the kippers |
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"Great to see the Right vote split to allow room for Labour
Wasn't the right vote split between the tories and Ukip in the 2015 general election? Cameron won with a majority didn't he, lol.
UKIP didn't win a single seat, they can't have had many people stupid enough to vote for those losers again.
Wrong. Ukip won Clacton in the 2015 general election with Douglas Carswell.
Ukip had also previously held the seat of Rochester with Mark Reckless. So Ukip have had 2 MP's in Parliament.
Ukip also won the last MEP elections in the UK, returning more MEP's than any other party.
Reckless (a brilliant name for an MP) - defected to Ukip he lost when he contested the seat!
I would suggest you look at the referendum voting paper again. The question was leave or remain - no other options or variants! We are leaving the EU - the will of the people - and therefore May has delivered on the vote - FACT!
It's funny that no one ever picked fun out of Mark Reckless name when he was a Tory MP?
Anyway Mark Reckless did win the Rochester seat in a by-election. Yes he defected from the tories to ukip but when he defected he stood down as a tory MP. A by-election was called and Mark Reckless won the seat by majority vote as a Ukip candidate. He was elected by the people of Rochester for ukip.
Reckless for UKIP god help us
Reckless name for a reckless party
There finished the sooner you get over it you may sleep better at night worrying about your beloved farage and the kippers "
We'll see if they're finished if Theresa May continues down this soft Brexit path. Ukip are already seeing a bounce in the polls since Chequers. Nigel Farage has always said if Theresa May and the Tory party betray Brexit (Labour have also already betrayed it by saying they would stay in the customs union) then there would be a backlash from voters in this country the like of which has never been seen before. So we shall see. |
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By *athy1Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"Great to see the Right vote split to allow room for Labour
Wasn't the right vote split between the tories and Ukip in the 2015 general election? Cameron won with a majority didn't he, lol.
UKIP didn't win a single seat, they can't have had many people stupid enough to vote for those losers again.
Wrong. Ukip won Clacton in the 2015 general election with Douglas Carswell.
Ukip had also previously held the seat of Rochester with Mark Reckless. So Ukip have had 2 MP's in Parliament.
Ukip also won the last MEP elections in the UK, returning more MEP's than any other party.
Reckless (a brilliant name for an MP) - defected to Ukip he lost when he contested the seat!
I would suggest you look at the referendum voting paper again. The question was leave or remain - no other options or variants! We are leaving the EU - the will of the people - and therefore May has delivered on the vote - FACT!
It's funny that no one ever picked fun out of Mark Reckless name when he was a Tory MP?
Anyway Mark Reckless did win the Rochester seat in a by-election. Yes he defected from the tories to ukip but when he defected he stood down as a tory MP. A by-election was called and Mark Reckless won the seat by majority vote as a Ukip candidate. He was elected by the people of Rochester for ukip.
Reckless for UKIP god help us
Reckless name for a reckless party
There finished the sooner you get over it you may sleep better at night worrying about your beloved farage and the kippers
We'll see if they're finished if Theresa May continues down this soft Brexit path. Ukip are already seeing a bounce in the polls since Chequers. Nigel Farage has always said if Theresa May and the Tory party betray Brexit (Labour have also already betrayed it by saying they would stay in the customs union) then there would be a backlash from voters in this country the like of which has never been seen before. So we shall see. "
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"I thought polls couldnt be trusted??
Trust them or don't trust them that's upto the individual to decide. "
well you big up the ones you like and bash the ones you don't... so you are not really the man to promote consistancy....
maybe you can answer a political equation for me... "if it takes nigel farage 7 attempts to never get elected as a ukip mp.... how many mp's do you think ukip would get with their "8% share".......
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
Bristol East |
"Centy, in your wildest wetdream ukip fantasy, how many seats do you see ukip winning from their current base of zero? 1? 5? 20? 100? "
It's not so much about seats, as the tail wagging the dog here.
The more the Conservative Party share of the vote haemorrhages to UKIP, the further it drifts from reaching the magical 317 seats in Parliament.
Nothing terrifies a Tory more than the thought of losing power.
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"Centy, in your wildest wetdream ukip fantasy, how many seats do you see ukip winning from their current base of zero? 1? 5? 20? 100?
It's not so much about seats, as the tail wagging the dog here.
The more the Conservative Party share of the vote haemorrhages to UKIP, the further it drifts from reaching the magical 317 seats in Parliament.
Nothing terrifies a Tory more than the thought of losing power.
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Exactly, and this jump in support for ukip has only just happened in one week since Chequers. They were just talking about it on the BBC Sunday politics programme and said the tories will lose more support from leave voters over Theresa May's soft Brexit plan as time goes by. The EU will seek to water down her thin gruel Brexit even more in negotiations. This week people have been distracted by the world cup and President Trumps visit, now those distractions are out of the way and more focus is put on this, the tories will lose more support and ukip will gain ground on the the back of it. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Great to see the Right vote split to allow room for Labour
Wasn't the right vote split between the tories and Ukip in the 2015 general election? Cameron won with a majority didn't he, lol.
UKIP didn't win a single seat, they can't have had many people stupid enough to vote for those losers again. "
They changed the course of history even you must be able to see that,and Farage will return if needed. |
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over a year ago
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"Centy, in your wildest wetdream ukip fantasy, how many seats do you see ukip winning from their current base of zero? 1? 5? 20? 100?
It's not so much about seats, as the tail wagging the dog here.
The more the Conservative Party share of the vote haemorrhages to UKIP, the further it drifts from reaching the magical 317 seats in Parliament.
Nothing terrifies a Tory more than the thought of losing power.
Exactly, and this jump in support for ukip has only just happened in one week since Chequers. They were just talking about it on the BBC Sunday politics programme and said the tories will lose more support from leave voters over Theresa May's soft Brexit plan as time goes by. The EU will seek to water down her thin gruel Brexit even more in negotiations. This week people have been distracted by the world cup and President Trumps visit, now those distractions are out of the way and more focus is put on this, the tories will lose more support and ukip will gain ground on the the back of it. "
Well if you say 52% of the voters voted for Brexit you wanted, then we should see how many leave the conservatives. What's your hypothesis? |
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"Centy, in your wildest wetdream ukip fantasy, how many seats do you see ukip winning from their current base of zero? 1? 5? 20? 100?
It's not so much about seats, as the tail wagging the dog here.
The more the Conservative Party share of the vote haemorrhages to UKIP, the further it drifts from reaching the magical 317 seats in Parliament.
Nothing terrifies a Tory more than the thought of losing power.
Exactly, and this jump in support for ukip has only just happened in one week since Chequers. They were just talking about it on the BBC Sunday politics programme and said the tories will lose more support from leave voters over Theresa May's soft Brexit plan as time goes by. The EU will seek to water down her thin gruel Brexit even more in negotiations. This week people have been distracted by the world cup and President Trumps visit, now those distractions are out of the way and more focus is put on this, the tories will lose more support and ukip will gain ground on the the back of it.
Well if you say 52% of the voters voted for Brexit you wanted, then we should see how many leave the conservatives. What's your hypothesis?"
The Opinium poll in The Observer is not the only poll to deal a blow to Theresa May in today's Sunday paper's. An opinion poll done by The Sun on Sunday shows 53% of voters say Theresa May's Chequers Brexit plan betrays the Leave vote in the referendum or is a bad fudge. 53% in The Sun on Sunday poll is remarkably close to the 52% who voted to Leave the EU in the referendum in 2016.
The Sun on Sunday's polling also shows 62% of Brits want Theresa May to quit before the next general election because of her soft Brexit plan.
And over a third want her out now right away. |
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By *athy1Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"Centy, in your wildest wetdream ukip fantasy, how many seats do you see ukip winning from their current base of zero? 1? 5? 20? 100?
It's not so much about seats, as the tail wagging the dog here.
The more the Conservative Party share of the vote haemorrhages to UKIP, the further it drifts from reaching the magical 317 seats in Parliament.
Nothing terrifies a Tory more than the thought of losing power.
Exactly, and this jump in support for ukip has only just happened in one week since Chequers. They were just talking about it on the BBC Sunday politics programme and said the tories will lose more support from leave voters over Theresa May's soft Brexit plan as time goes by. The EU will seek to water down her thin gruel Brexit even more in negotiations. This week people have been distracted by the world cup and President Trumps visit, now those distractions are out of the way and more focus is put on this, the tories will lose more support and ukip will gain ground on the the back of it.
Well if you say 52% of the voters voted for Brexit you wanted, then we should see how many leave the conservatives. What's your hypothesis?
The Opinium poll in The Observer is not the only poll to deal a blow to Theresa May in today's Sunday paper's. An opinion poll done by The Sun on Sunday shows 53% of voters say Theresa May's Chequers Brexit plan betrays the Leave vote in the referendum or is a bad fudge. 53% in The Sun on Sunday poll is remarkably close to the 52% who voted to Leave the EU in the referendum in 2016.
The Sun on Sunday's polling also shows 62% of Brits want Theresa May to quit before the next general election because of her soft Brexit plan.
And over a third want her out now right away. "
Ah yes we all know how accurate polls are
You no as well as a do if they get rid of may
Corbin is in you won’t like that
If you believe in polls labour are well ahead of tories now |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I thought polls couldnt be trusted??"
And that Mrs may was doing a fine job
As I said before some of the characters here would make a fine political satire sitcom. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"An Opinium opinion poll in tomorrow's newspapers just shown on sky news press preview has revealed the Tories have been hemorrhaging support ever since the Chequers plan was revealed last Weekend. Leave voters are now deserting the Conservative party and flocking to support Ukip. The tories had a clear poll lead last month on 42% but have now dropped to 36% since the chequers deal was announced last weekend. Labour are now in the lead on 40%.
Support for Ukip has shot up in the last week since the chequers betrayal from 3% to 8%.
How long will tories tolerate this from Theresa May? "
I have been hoping for an age for the return of Nige as UKIP leader. This time for the long haul, as forcing a govt to change is not enough. The Tories lord then made us wait years before selling is down the river. We need a UKIP that will speak to the British people and grab enough seats to have a say, if not to take power away from the LibLabCon. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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A single data point does not a trend make.
Maybe those who've jizzed their pants at the prospect of May being ousted might want to exercise some fucking restraint. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"An Opinium opinion poll in tomorrow's newspapers just shown on sky news press preview has revealed the Tories have been hemorrhaging support ever since the Chequers plan was revealed last Weekend. Leave voters are now deserting the Conservative party and flocking to support Ukip. The tories had a clear poll lead last month on 42% but have now dropped to 36% since the chequers deal was announced last weekend. Labour are now in the lead on 40%.
Support for Ukip has shot up in the last week since the chequers betrayal from 3% to 8%.
How long will tories tolerate this from Theresa May?
I have been hoping for an age for the return of Nige as UKIP leader. This time for the long haul, as forcing a govt to change is not enough. The Tories lord then made us wait years before selling is down the river. We need a UKIP that will speak to the British people and grab enough seats to have a say, if not to take power away from the LibLabCon."
How many seats do you think UKIP will get? |
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"An Opinium opinion poll in tomorrow's newspapers just shown on sky news press preview has revealed the Tories have been hemorrhaging support ever since the Chequers plan was revealed last Weekend. Leave voters are now deserting the Conservative party and flocking to support Ukip. The tories had a clear poll lead last month on 42% but have now dropped to 36% since the chequers deal was announced last weekend. Labour are now in the lead on 40%.
Support for Ukip has shot up in the last week since the chequers betrayal from 3% to 8%.
How long will tories tolerate this from Theresa May?
I have been hoping for an age for the return of Nige as UKIP leader. This time for the long haul, as forcing a govt to change is not enough. The Tories lord then made us wait years before selling is down the river. We need a UKIP that will speak to the British people and grab enough seats to have a say, if not to take power away from the LibLabCon.
How many seats do you think UKIP will get? "
Many more than last time, the Tories have proven not to be trustworthy. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"An Opinium opinion poll in tomorrow's newspapers just shown on sky news press preview has revealed the Tories have been hemorrhaging support ever since the Chequers plan was revealed last Weekend. Leave voters are now deserting the Conservative party and flocking to support Ukip. The tories had a clear poll lead last month on 42% but have now dropped to 36% since the chequers deal was announced last weekend. Labour are now in the lead on 40%.
Support for Ukip has shot up in the last week since the chequers betrayal from 3% to 8%.
How long will tories tolerate this from Theresa May?
I have been hoping for an age for the return of Nige as UKIP leader. This time for the long haul, as forcing a govt to change is not enough. The Tories lord then made us wait years before selling is down the river. We need a UKIP that will speak to the British people and grab enough seats to have a say, if not to take power away from the LibLabCon.
How many seats do you think UKIP will get?
Many more than last time, the Tories have proven not to be trustworthy."
So give me a number. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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the dribbling idiots of the lunatic fringe can't make their mind up which racist right wing party to support .... that's not news, that's just fucking standard |
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"keep spinning ...round and round ....ive had enough ....i think its time for a nigel to make a comeback and kick a few arses.....x"
Be fuckin hilarious to see him fail for the 8th time in his attempt to secure a seat in the place he slags off so much.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Never knock a trier ...at least he has a go and stands his ground.....unlike some sheep in our political system...."
True ,even hitler failed in the 1920s only to win in the 1930s.So farage isn't a sad loser just yet. |
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"Surely it would make sense for Farage to stand as a tory candidate?"
There was talk a few months ago of Farage standing as a DUP candidate in Northern Ireland. Enoch Powel left the Tory party and got elected for for the DUP. |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"Surely it would make sense for Farage to stand as a tory candidate?"
A genuine question.... does a party have to 'let you in'? Or can anyone decide to run for whatever party they want?
Considering the complete clusterfuck that Farage has caused, and the damage to the Tory party that he has caused, I really don't think they would want to let him in.
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"Surely it would make sense for Farage to stand as a tory candidate?
A genuine question.... does a party have to 'let you in'? Or can anyone decide to run for whatever party they want?
Considering the complete clusterfuck that Farage has caused, and the damage to the Tory party that he has caused, I really don't think they would want to let him in.
-Matt"
If they want absolute power for a while it would make sense. |
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"Surely it would make sense for Farage to stand as a tory candidate?
A genuine question.... does a party have to 'let you in'? Or can anyone decide to run for whatever party they want?
Considering the complete clusterfuck that Farage has caused, and the damage to the Tory party that he has caused, I really don't think they would want to let him in.
-Matt"
Yes, the party would have to let Farage in before he could run as a Tory.
If they would and if he'd want to are two very different questions. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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If they want absolute power for a while it would make sense. "
Nah, not really. Add up the Tory share of the vote and the UKIP share of the vote, subtract a share of the UKIP vote for those who'd never vote Conservative, and it still doesn't add up to a lot more.
Is there room for another mini-Trump in the Tory Party? Letting Farage join would make their civil war worse, not better. There is a sizeable element who detest him for forcing the Tory Party down a road they did not want to take. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I suppose the conservatives need all the votes they can muster.Adding farage might be a bitter pill to swallow but will one more racist in the Conservatives ranks be of any concern to conservative voters ,? I think not.
Let him join and let the conservatives drink from poisonous flem filled chalice of hatred and xenophobia that farage offers up. |
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Nigel Farage joining the conservatives could be a good thing for two reasons .
1. We would get a Brexit we voted for .
2. Farage and Trump are good friends , so we would be back in their good books and could strike up better trade deals .
And a third reason ?
The Tories would stay in power and keep Corbyn out , because that would be a disaster ! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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On #2
Trump doesn't have friends.
In the very stupid scenario where Farage slithers back into public life, he'd just become another dignity wraith in Trump's orbit, to be ultimately discarded on a whim. |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"Nigel Farage joining the conservatives could be a good thing for two reasons .
1. We would get a Brexit we voted for .
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You are getting the Brexit you voted for. The ballot said "leave the EU'. And we will be leaving the EU next year. You won, get over it.
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"On #2
Trump doesn't have friends.
In the very stupid scenario where Farage slithers back into public life, he'd just become another dignity wraith in Trump's orbit, to be ultimately discarded on a whim."
Well i guess, but Trump has a limited time left in office, where as Farage could go on and on and on......  |
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"Nigel Farage joining the conservatives could be a good thing for two reasons .
1. We would get a Brexit we voted for .
You are getting the Brexit you voted for. The ballot said "leave the EU'. And we will be leaving the EU next year. You won, get over it.
-Matt"
The Brexit we voted for was NOT the watered down wishy washy version we are being told she wants to go for .
We may aswell stay in if this goes through .
And yes we won . Get over it .
-A |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"Nigel Farage joining the conservatives could be a good thing for two reasons .
1. We would get a Brexit we voted for .
You are getting the Brexit you voted for. The ballot said "leave the EU'. And we will be leaving the EU next year. You won, get over it.
-Matt
The Brexit we voted for was NOT the watered down wishy washy version we are being told she wants to go for .
We may aswell stay in if this goes through .
And yes we won . Get over it .
-A"
The number of times leave voters have said they knew exactly what they were voting for and it was totally clear.
The reality is May is delivering exactly what it said on that voting slip. To leave the EU. Remember she told us all the Brexit meant Brexit. Any attempt to try and get any actual detail of what that meant was always met with "You lost, get over it".
Maybe for some, the penny is dropping now is it?
-Matt |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It's looking like a rainbow brexit.
Who the fuck doesn't like a rainbow?
Brexiters were angry before brexit they seem angrier now it's happening.A strange lot! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Surely it would make sense for Farage to stand as a tory candidate?
A genuine question.... does a party have to 'let you in'? Or can anyone decide to run for whatever party they want?
Considering the complete clusterfuck that Farage has caused, and the damage to the Tory party that he has caused, I really don't think they would want to let him in.
-Matt"
As far as I know the political party has to nominate you as their standing candidate for your constituency, unless you decide to stand as an independent. |
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"Nigel Farage joining the conservatives could be a good thing for two reasons .
1. We would get a Brexit we voted for .
You are getting the Brexit you voted for. The ballot said "leave the EU'. And we will be leaving the EU next year. You won, get over it.
-Matt
The Brexit we voted for was NOT the watered down wishy washy version we are being told she wants to go for .
We may aswell stay in if this goes through .
And yes we won . Get over it .
-A"
To be fair, the type of Brexit wasn’t specified before the vote.
Should the uk remain a member of the European Union or Leave The European Union.
The people who campaigned for the leave side had no influence on the type of Brexit that would unfold.
Presumably there was a spectrum of assumptions and expectations across the leave voters as to how it would go down. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"Great to see the Right vote split to allow room for Labour
Wasn't the right vote split between the tories and Ukip in the 2015 general election? Cameron won with a majority didn't he, lol.
UKIP didn't win a single seat, they can't have had many people stupid enough to vote for those losers again. They changed the course of history even you must be able to see that,and Farage will return if needed."
Return to not winning a seat like all the previous times he's stood?
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"Great to see the Right vote split to allow room for Labour
Wasn't the right vote split between the tories and Ukip in the 2015 general election? Cameron won with a majority didn't he, lol.
UKIP didn't win a single seat, they can't have had many people stupid enough to vote for those losers again. They changed the course of history even you must be able to see that,and Farage will return if needed.
Return to not winning a seat like all the previous times he's stood?
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"Great to see the Right vote split to allow room for Labour
Wasn't the right vote split between the tories and Ukip in the 2015 general election? Cameron won with a majority didn't he, lol.
UKIP didn't win a single seat, they can't have had many people stupid enough to vote for those losers again. They changed the course of history even you must be able to see that,and Farage will return if needed.
Return to not winning a seat like all the previous times he's stood?
Then centy has to admit Farage failed then."
He would never do that, it would crush him. |
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"Great to see the Right vote split to allow room for Labour
Wasn't the right vote split between the tories and Ukip in the 2015 general election? Cameron won with a majority didn't he, lol.
UKIP didn't win a single seat, they can't have had many people stupid enough to vote for those losers again. They changed the course of history even you must be able to see that,and Farage will return if needed.
Return to not winning a seat like all the previous times he's stood?
Then centy has to admit Farage failed then.
He would never do that, it would crush him."
If he does not observe it then he's neither failed or succeeded... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It doesn't matter if the predicted UKIP vote share does increase. The next general election won't be for four more years, long after brexit is done."
So leave could still lose? |
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"It doesn't matter if the predicted UKIP vote share does increase. The next general election won't be for four more years, long after brexit is done.
So leave could still lose?"
Well if it is a soft brexit or even better a no brexit, there is bugger all the leavers could do about it. I'm not even sure there is time for a leadership contest now let alone a full blown election. |
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"Nigel Farage joining the conservatives could be a good thing for two reasons .
1. We would get a Brexit we voted for .
You are getting the Brexit you voted for. The ballot said "leave the EU'. And we will be leaving the EU next year. You won, get over it.
-Matt
The Brexit we voted for was NOT the watered down wishy washy version we are being told she wants to go for .
We may aswell stay in if this goes through .
And yes we won . Get over it .
-A
To be fair, the type of Brexit wasn’t specified before the vote.
Should the uk remain a member of the European Union or Leave The European Union.
The people who campaigned for the leave side had no influence on the type of Brexit that would unfold.
Presumably there was a spectrum of assumptions and expectations across the leave voters as to how it would go down."
Yes there were .
And her version as published last week is not a version which anyone really expected .
It’s almost as if we leave but continue to pay into it so we can still abide by all the rules they set on trade , law and everything we didn’t want from them any more .
A pointless and futile exercise .
Leaving is leaving ffs .... hers is like a couple agreeing to split up but still living together , staying together , splitting the costs but not sleeping together . |
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"Nigel Farage joining the conservatives could be a good thing for two reasons .
1. We would get a Brexit we voted for .
You are getting the Brexit you voted for. The ballot said "leave the EU'. And we will be leaving the EU next year. You won, get over it.
-Matt
The Brexit we voted for was NOT the watered down wishy washy version we are being told she wants to go for .
We may aswell stay in if this goes through .
And yes we won . Get over it .
-A
To be fair, the type of Brexit wasn’t specified before the vote.
Should the uk remain a member of the European Union or Leave The European Union.
The people who campaigned for the leave side had no influence on the type of Brexit that would unfold.
Presumably there was a spectrum of assumptions and expectations across the leave voters as to how it would go down.
Yes there were .
And her version as published last week is not a version which anyone really expected .
It’s almost as if we leave but continue to pay into it so we can still abide by all the rules they set on trade , law and everything we didn’t want from them any more .
A pointless and futile exercise .
Leaving is leaving ffs .... hers is like a couple agreeing to split up but still living together , staying together , splitting the costs but not sleeping together . "
The Brexit in name only Chequers plan drawn up by Theresa May now looks to be dead anyway. The 4 ammendments to it by the ERG lead by Jacob Rees Mogg killed it off today. The 4 ERG ammendments won by majority vote in Parliament, much to the annoyance of swivel eyed loony remoaners like Anna Soubry.
With these ammendments the EU won't accept the plan and even if they did the ERG would vote it down combined with Labour anyway. Theresa May thought the cabinet, The Tory party and the grassroots tories would swallow this plan, much like her reckless gamble on the general election last year, she thought wrong! She is in such fear of losing her job as Prime minister now she is looking to take an early summer recess from Parliament. |
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over a year ago
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"Nigel Farage joining the conservatives could be a good thing for two reasons .
1. We would get a Brexit we voted for .
You are getting the Brexit you voted for. The ballot said "leave the EU'. And we will be leaving the EU next year. You won, get over it.
-Matt
The Brexit we voted for was NOT the watered down wishy washy version we are being told she wants to go for .
We may aswell stay in if this goes through .
And yes we won . Get over it .
-A
To be fair, the type of Brexit wasn’t specified before the vote.
Should the uk remain a member of the European Union or Leave The European Union.
The people who campaigned for the leave side had no influence on the type of Brexit that would unfold.
Presumably there was a spectrum of assumptions and expectations across the leave voters as to how it would go down.
Yes there were .
And her version as published last week is not a version which anyone really expected .
It’s almost as if we leave but continue to pay into it so we can still abide by all the rules they set on trade , law and everything we didn’t want from them any more .
A pointless and futile exercise .
Leaving is leaving ffs .... hers is like a couple agreeing to split up but still living together , staying together , splitting the costs but not sleeping together . "
I mean I agree that this is a terrible solution, basically we are in a similar position, yet without a seat at the decision making table. On the up side we may be able to retain some workers right and environmental protection.
Crashing out completely would be even more economically ruinous.
At this point I don’t think anyone has an idea of what the least worst option actually is. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"Nigel Farage joining the conservatives could be a good thing for two reasons .
1. We would get a Brexit we voted for .
You are getting the Brexit you voted for. The ballot said "leave the EU'. And we will be leaving the EU next year. You won, get over it.
-Matt
The Brexit we voted for was NOT the watered down wishy washy version we are being told she wants to go for .
We may aswell stay in if this goes through .
And yes we won . Get over it .
-A
To be fair, the type of Brexit wasn’t specified before the vote.
Should the uk remain a member of the European Union or Leave The European Union.
The people who campaigned for the leave side had no influence on the type of Brexit that would unfold.
Presumably there was a spectrum of assumptions and expectations across the leave voters as to how it would go down.
Yes there were .
And her version as published last week is not a version which anyone really expected .
It’s almost as if we leave but continue to pay into it so we can still abide by all the rules they set on trade , law and everything we didn’t want from them any more .
A pointless and futile exercise .
Leaving is leaving ffs .... hers is like a couple agreeing to split up but still living together , staying together , splitting the costs but not sleeping together .
I mean I agree that this is a terrible solution, basically we are in a similar position, yet without a seat at the decision making table. On the up side we may be able to retain some workers right and environmental protection.
Crashing out completely would be even more economically ruinous.
At this point I don’t think anyone has an idea of what the least worst option actually is. "
Staying in! |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Nigel Farage joining the conservatives could be a good thing for two reasons .
1. We would get a Brexit we voted for .
You are getting the Brexit you voted for. The ballot said "leave the EU'. And we will be leaving the EU next year. You won, get over it.
-Matt
The Brexit we voted for was NOT the watered down wishy washy version we are being told she wants to go for .
We may aswell stay in if this goes through .
And yes we won . Get over it .
-A
To be fair, the type of Brexit wasn’t specified before the vote.
Should the uk remain a member of the European Union or Leave The European Union.
The people who campaigned for the leave side had no influence on the type of Brexit that would unfold.
Presumably there was a spectrum of assumptions and expectations across the leave voters as to how it would go down.
Yes there were .
And her version as published last week is not a version which anyone really expected .
It’s almost as if we leave but continue to pay into it so we can still abide by all the rules they set on trade , law and everything we didn’t want from them any more .
A pointless and futile exercise .
Leaving is leaving ffs .... hers is like a couple agreeing to split up but still living together , staying together , splitting the costs but not sleeping together .
The Brexit in name only Chequers plan drawn up by Theresa May now looks to be dead anyway. The 4 ammendments to it by the ERG lead by Jacob Rees Mogg killed it off today. The 4 ERG ammendments won by majority vote in Parliament, much to the annoyance of swivel eyed loony remoaners like Anna Soubry.
With these ammendments the EU won't accept the plan and even if they did the ERG would vote it down combined with Labour anyway. Theresa May thought the cabinet, The Tory party and the grassroots tories would swallow this plan, much like her reckless gamble on the general election last year, she thought wrong! She is in such fear of losing her job as Prime minister now she is looking to take an early summer recess from Parliament. "
...but you don't want Parliament to have a final say on Brexit do you?
So confusing.
Should I be getting behind "Brexit means Brexit" or is there a "Real Brexit" that I need to get behind without question?
Tell me please Centaur, I need to know what to think. Please quote a Brexit supporting politician or economist or houseplant to clarify the situation  |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"Nigel Farage joining the conservatives could be a good thing for two reasons .
1. We would get a Brexit we voted for .
You are getting the Brexit you voted for. The ballot said "leave the EU'. And we will be leaving the EU next year. You won, get over it.
-Matt
The Brexit we voted for was NOT the watered down wishy washy version we are being told she wants to go for .
We may aswell stay in if this goes through .
And yes we won . Get over it .
-A
To be fair, the type of Brexit wasn’t specified before the vote.
Should the uk remain a member of the European Union or Leave The European Union.
The people who campaigned for the leave side had no influence on the type of Brexit that would unfold.
Presumably there was a spectrum of assumptions and expectations across the leave voters as to how it would go down.
Yes there were .
And her version as published last week is not a version which anyone really expected .
It’s almost as if we leave but continue to pay into it so we can still abide by all the rules they set on trade , law and everything we didn’t want from them any more .
A pointless and futile exercise .
Leaving is leaving ffs .... hers is like a couple agreeing to split up but still living together , staying together , splitting the costs but not sleeping together .
I mean I agree that this is a terrible solution, basically we are in a similar position, yet without a seat at the decision making table. On the up side we may be able to retain some workers right and environmental protection.
Crashing out completely would be even more economically ruinous.
At this point I don’t think anyone has an idea of what the least worst option actually is.
Staying in!"
Is not an option- to remain is to admit that British democracy is just a veneer and the elites will do as they choose. |
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"Nigel Farage joining the conservatives could be a good thing for two reasons .
1. We would get a Brexit we voted for .
You are getting the Brexit you voted for. The ballot said "leave the EU'. And we will be leaving the EU next year. You won, get over it.
-Matt
The Brexit we voted for was NOT the watered down wishy washy version we are being told she wants to go for .
We may aswell stay in if this goes through .
And yes we won . Get over it .
-A
To be fair, the type of Brexit wasn’t specified before the vote.
Should the uk remain a member of the European Union or Leave The European Union.
The people who campaigned for the leave side had no influence on the type of Brexit that would unfold.
Presumably there was a spectrum of assumptions and expectations across the leave voters as to how it would go down.
Yes there were .
And her version as published last week is not a version which anyone really expected .
It’s almost as if we leave but continue to pay into it so we can still abide by all the rules they set on trade , law and everything we didn’t want from them any more .
A pointless and futile exercise .
Leaving is leaving ffs .... hers is like a couple agreeing to split up but still living together , staying together , splitting the costs but not sleeping together .
I mean I agree that this is a terrible solution, basically we are in a similar position, yet without a seat at the decision making table. On the up side we may be able to retain some workers right and environmental protection.
Crashing out completely would be even more economically ruinous.
At this point I don’t think anyone has an idea of what the least worst option actually is.
Staying in!
Is not an option- to remain is to admit that British democracy is just a veneer and the elites will do as they choose. "
Same could be said of leaving, to go ahead with any version of Brexit is moronic in an economic, cultural, environmental and philosophical way. By leaving we’re admitting that the population will vote against their own interest based on lies told us by the ruling elite.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Surely it would make sense for Farage to stand as a tory candidate?
A genuine question.... does a party have to 'let you in'? Or can anyone decide to run for whatever party they want?
Considering the complete clusterfuck that Farage has caused, and the damage to the Tory party that he has caused, I really don't think they would want to let him in.
-Matt"
Anyone can join any party, unless of course they are high profile, and in that case they will be flagged up. So Nige would almost certainly not be allowed to rejoin the Tories, not that it is likely he would want to... |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"Nigel Farage joining the conservatives could be a good thing for two reasons .
1. We would get a Brexit we voted for .
You are getting the Brexit you voted for. The ballot said "leave the EU'. And we will be leaving the EU next year. You won, get over it.
-Matt
The Brexit we voted for was NOT the watered down wishy washy version we are being told she wants to go for .
We may aswell stay in if this goes through .
And yes we won . Get over it .
-A
To be fair, the type of Brexit wasn’t specified before the vote.
Should the uk remain a member of the European Union or Leave The European Union.
The people who campaigned for the leave side had no influence on the type of Brexit that would unfold.
Presumably there was a spectrum of assumptions and expectations across the leave voters as to how it would go down.
Yes there were .
And her version as published last week is not a version which anyone really expected .
It’s almost as if we leave but continue to pay into it so we can still abide by all the rules they set on trade , law and everything we didn’t want from them any more .
A pointless and futile exercise .
Leaving is leaving ffs .... hers is like a couple agreeing to split up but still living together , staying together , splitting the costs but not sleeping together .
I mean I agree that this is a terrible solution, basically we are in a similar position, yet without a seat at the decision making table. On the up side we may be able to retain some workers right and environmental protection.
Crashing out completely would be even more economically ruinous.
At this point I don’t think anyone has an idea of what the least worst option actually is.
Staying in!
Is not an option- to remain is to admit that British democracy is just a veneer and the elites will do as they choose. "
Staying in is an option, Brexit was all about parliamentary sovereignty wasn't it???? |
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"Nigel Farage joining the conservatives could be a good thing for two reasons .
1. We would get a Brexit we voted for .
You are getting the Brexit you voted for. The ballot said "leave the EU'. And we will be leaving the EU next year. You won, get over it.
-Matt
The Brexit we voted for was NOT the watered down wishy washy version we are being told she wants to go for .
We may aswell stay in if this goes through .
And yes we won . Get over it .
-A
To be fair, the type of Brexit wasn’t specified before the vote.
Should the uk remain a member of the European Union or Leave The European Union.
The people who campaigned for the leave side had no influence on the type of Brexit that would unfold.
Presumably there was a spectrum of assumptions and expectations across the leave voters as to how it would go down.
Yes there were .
And her version as published last week is not a version which anyone really expected .
It’s almost as if we leave but continue to pay into it so we can still abide by all the rules they set on trade , law and everything we didn’t want from them any more .
A pointless and futile exercise .
Leaving is leaving ffs .... hers is like a couple agreeing to split up but still living together , staying together , splitting the costs but not sleeping together .
I mean I agree that this is a terrible solution, basically we are in a similar position, yet without a seat at the decision making table. On the up side we may be able to retain some workers right and environmental protection.
Crashing out completely would be even more economically ruinous.
At this point I don’t think anyone has an idea of what the least worst option actually is.
Staying in!
Is not an option- to remain is to admit that British democracy is just a veneer and the elites will do as they choose.
Staying in is an option, Brexit was all about parliamentary sovereignty wasn't it????"
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"Nigel Farage joining the conservatives could be a good thing for two reasons .
1. We would get a Brexit we voted for .
You are getting the Brexit you voted for. The ballot said "leave the EU'. And we will be leaving the EU next year. You won, get over it.
-Matt
The Brexit we voted for was NOT the watered down wishy washy version we are being told she wants to go for .
We may aswell stay in if this goes through .
And yes we won . Get over it .
-A
To be fair, the type of Brexit wasn’t specified before the vote.
Should the uk remain a member of the European Union or Leave The European Union.
The people who campaigned for the leave side had no influence on the type of Brexit that would unfold.
Presumably there was a spectrum of assumptions and expectations across the leave voters as to how it would go down.
Yes there were .
And her version as published last week is not a version which anyone really expected .
It’s almost as if we leave but continue to pay into it so we can still abide by all the rules they set on trade , law and everything we didn’t want from them any more .
A pointless and futile exercise .
Leaving is leaving ffs .... hers is like a couple agreeing to split up but still living together , staying together , splitting the costs but not sleeping together .
I mean I agree that this is a terrible solution, basically we are in a similar position, yet without a seat at the decision making table. On the up side we may be able to retain some workers right and environmental protection.
Crashing out completely would be even more economically ruinous.
At this point I don’t think anyone has an idea of what the least worst option actually is.
Staying in!
Is not an option- to remain is to admit that British democracy is just a veneer and the elites will do as they choose.
Staying in is an option, Brexit was all about parliamentary sovereignty wasn't it????
Surely its too late? Wouldn't we have to apply to rejoin?"
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"Nigel Farage joining the conservatives could be a good thing for two reasons .
1. We would get a Brexit we voted for .
You are getting the Brexit you voted for. The ballot said "leave the EU'. And we will be leaving the EU next year. You won, get over it.
-Matt
The Brexit we voted for was NOT the watered down wishy washy version we are being told she wants to go for .
We may aswell stay in if this goes through .
And yes we won . Get over it .
-A
To be fair, the type of Brexit wasn’t specified before the vote.
Should the uk remain a member of the European Union or Leave The European Union.
The people who campaigned for the leave side had no influence on the type of Brexit that would unfold.
Presumably there was a spectrum of assumptions and expectations across the leave voters as to how it would go down.
Yes there were .
And her version as published last week is not a version which anyone really expected .
It’s almost as if we leave but continue to pay into it so we can still abide by all the rules they set on trade , law and everything we didn’t want from them any more .
A pointless and futile exercise .
Leaving is leaving ffs .... hers is like a couple agreeing to split up but still living together , staying together , splitting the costs but not sleeping together .
I mean I agree that this is a terrible solution, basically we are in a similar position, yet without a seat at the decision making table. On the up side we may be able to retain some workers right and environmental protection.
Crashing out completely would be even more economically ruinous.
At this point I don’t think anyone has an idea of what the least worst option actually is.
Staying in!
Is not an option- to remain is to admit that British democracy is just a veneer and the elites will do as they choose.
Staying in is an option, Brexit was all about parliamentary sovereignty wasn't it????
Surely its too late? Wouldn't we have to apply to rejoin?
Nope. "
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"Nigel Farage joining the conservatives could be a good thing for two reasons .
1. We would get a Brexit we voted for .
You are getting the Brexit you voted for. The ballot said "leave the EU'. And we will be leaving the EU next year. You won, get over it.
-Matt
The Brexit we voted for was NOT the watered down wishy washy version we are being told she wants to go for .
We may aswell stay in if this goes through .
And yes we won . Get over it .
-A
To be fair, the type of Brexit wasn’t specified before the vote.
Should the uk remain a member of the European Union or Leave The European Union.
The people who campaigned for the leave side had no influence on the type of Brexit that would unfold.
Presumably there was a spectrum of assumptions and expectations across the leave voters as to how it would go down.
Yes there were .
And her version as published last week is not a version which anyone really expected .
It’s almost as if we leave but continue to pay into it so we can still abide by all the rules they set on trade , law and everything we didn’t want from them any more .
A pointless and futile exercise .
Leaving is leaving ffs .... hers is like a couple agreeing to split up but still living together , staying together , splitting the costs but not sleeping together .
I mean I agree that this is a terrible solution, basically we are in a similar position, yet without a seat at the decision making table. On the up side we may be able to retain some workers right and environmental protection.
Crashing out completely would be even more economically ruinous.
At this point I don’t think anyone has an idea of what the least worst option actually is.
Staying in!
Is not an option- to remain is to admit that British democracy is just a veneer and the elites will do as they choose.
Staying in is an option, Brexit was all about parliamentary sovereignty wasn't it????"
It was a plebiscite- which remain lost (narrowly), to fail to deliver on it makes it seem pointless that we had one in the first place, and would certainly fuel further disillusionment with the democratic process in this country.
I'm under no illusions that some part of the "Leave" campaign was unachievable rhetoric, but the same could easily be said of the "remain" campaign.
In reality, I (and probably most rational brexiteers) expect some sort of compromise. The EU and Britain both have plenty to lose by failing to come to an agreement. |
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